Dyche shifts rhetoric towards rebuilding job needed at Everton

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Sean Dyche struck a purposeful and less restrained chord with his post-match comments following the dramatic win over Bournemouth that secured Everton’s Premier League status on the final day, saying that the work to change things significantly at the club is already underway.

The 51-year-old completed his initial remit of keeping the Blues in the top flight by steering them to safety despite the loss of key players and a generally imbalanced squad and he quickly dispensed with his well-worn rhetoric around shifting the mentality in the dressing room to talk of making Everton think and operate like a big club again.

His message carried a tacit challenge to the hierarchy to assist in that transformation but it was also grounded by what will be possible in the short term, with Dyche insisting that there is a lot of work ahead and there will be no quick fixes.

“I said to the players, ‘We shouldn’t be here'," Dyche told the media afterwards. "'Enjoy this today and you’ve earned it but at the end of the day it has got to change.' It’s a horrible day for all concerned, there is no joy in it for me other than getting the job done.” 

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“There is no point in sitting on it and saying, ‘Look how great we are,’ because it is not like that. There is loads to change here and a lot of work to be done but it was a big step to secure it.

“The work on next season started the day I got in here. Don’t think I thought this was an easy fix because it is not. Far from it. There is a massive amount of work to be done. The thing I’ve learnt about Everton is the fans have been amazing, they want the club to be in the top end of the market but the club is not at the top end of the market.

“It’s a big club, big history, but we are not performing like a big club. We have to find a way of changing that. This is two seasons now. There is a massive amount of change to build to a new dawn, a new future, a bigger future.

"I think the Evertonians, as remarkable as they have been, have to remember that. This is a bigger project than just, ‘Oh well, it’s all right now.’ I don’t have magic dust, I can only make things happen I think are believable. It is definitely a reason to be happy but we have to demand more internally. The fans know the truth. They know this wasn’t a walk in the park.”

“Everton have been doing it under various managers and people have said to me it’s been coming away for three seasons,” Dyche continued, referencing the hodgepodge and expensive recruitment that has led to successive battles to avoid relegation. “It is not a quick fix. It’s not just ‘buy a player, hurrah it’s all solved’. They’ve tried that in the past, it’s not that easy.

“You have to build a belief in a new culture. If you ask five die-hard Evertonians what the club stood for they would probably give me five different answers. The club has to realign. There was a time when it was ‘earthy, hard-working. Give a lot to the shirt. Pride’. I’m not sure they are as obvious now.

“That’s the base I want to build but I want to play good, attractive, winning football but it has to start with something. There have been signs this team will work, fight and give everything. Don’t think Pep’s [Guardiola’s Manchester City] side just play beautiful football, they work, they defend, play hard, as well as being ultra-top footballers.

“There’s a chance [I’ll have to sell players]. I’ll find out about that. There’s been peripheral talks based on ifs, buts and maybes. I’d be very surprised if they say there is going to be another war chest. There is a beautiful stadium down the road and someone has to pay for that.

“But that will come over the coming weeks when we find out the truth of what we have got. We had to get this sorted out, we’ve got it over the line.”


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Jim Burns
1 Posted 29/05/2023 at 07:48:10
This guy gets it – didn't just talk for the sake of it. Keep him - he'll drain the dock and start building the foundations of this great club again.

Typical that he immediately switched the narrative and sends a clear message to the hierarchy, it really does now feel like change could be afoot.

Thank you, Mr Dyche.

Jerome Shields
2 Posted 29/05/2023 at 07:51:32
This season above all others really exposed the truth regarding Everton. All the weaknesses came home to roost. Every department was exposed and even in the last match of the season, a makeshift Everton performed with few options and just got over the line with a single goal and a single save, with most of the first-choice selection looking on from the stands, as Medical Services had closed weeks ago for the holidays.

If the game was today, the key players would be out of contract and not able to play. There is really no team left to play in the Premier League next seasom. The Board has not been in attendance since January. The Owner is offshore somewhere, leaking stories of money on the way. Other monies can't be mentioned for fear of sanctions. An independent comission will be trying to find some good in Everton's financial figures that belong to a Kindergarden number blocks storage box.

So what we are left with is the Evertonians that once again have made it respectable that Everton should survive in the Premier League. The dogs on the street know that those who manage the club are not fit for purpose and it would be useless if they turned up for work on Tuesday morning.

If you stand back and really look at Everton, it really is a shambles beyond belief, against the improbable background of a Stadium rising on the Liverpool waterfront, like no other.

The only thing we have at the club is a manager that may know something about running a football team, who is calling for radical change both on and off the pitch, after a survival game. With no money available, other than what does need to be scrutinised by a Premier League committee.

Ray Jacques
3 Posted 29/05/2023 at 07:53:33
The guy talks sense, he's not jumping up and down celebrating failure like the previous encumbent.

Give him a chance.

Ken Kneale
4 Posted 29/05/2023 at 08:10:59
The first manager for some time to say it how it is rather than thanking a non-existent chairman and chief executive – the former having overseen the longest failure rate in Everton's history and the latter prepared to do his bidding just like Robert Elstone before.

If all of that forces the changes so desperately required, I applaud the man.

Stu Darlington
5 Posted 29/05/2023 at 08:23:22
Well said Sean, we all know the score. Change in ownership and control at the top of the club is the only cure.

Now, making that happen is the tricky part!

Peter Brogan
6 Posted 29/05/2023 at 08:24:10
Thank you, Dyche!!!!

Waking up today thinking we only won 8 games of footy all season and stayed up. Let's move forward and ensure we don't repeat the last two seasons.

A busy summer at Finch Farm. UTFT

Barry Cowling
7 Posted 29/05/2023 at 08:26:14
Above all else, the most important thing is to keep Dyche, He did the job he was asked to do when most of us thought it was too late. If Lampard was still here we would have been dead and buried weeks ago.

Let's stop sacking managers. Dyche will have learned a hell of a lot about who we need to keep and who we don't, and of course who we can't afford.

Dyche has earned the chance to manage a big club, he has done a mini transformation in his brief time here and he is right that a lot needs to change but stability is paramount at the moment.

Larry O'Hara
8 Posted 29/05/2023 at 08:31:07
Yes, Dyche clearly understands the problem. And especially given he is top of the league for points per £ spent, is the man for the job.
Mark Ryan
9 Posted 29/05/2023 at 08:50:28
After friendly Frank, we got Dyche. The man with the disc beard. He's exactly what we need right now. He has stabilised the ship.

We were sinking under Frank and had he not left we would have gone. Frank would never have saved us, not a chance…

Kevin Edward
10 Posted 29/05/2023 at 08:51:23
I like Sean Dyche and hope he gets an opportunity to find a level of performance to keep us away from trouble next season. But he might not get the chance, and who knows what's lurking around the corner?

I'd be happy with mid-table obscurity for a year or two, that's not me accepting that ‘less than the best is good enough' but we dodged so many bullets over the last two seasons that time to reset is crucial.

Manager lottery doesn't work, look at the clubs who went down. Have a great summer, Blues.

Alan Johnson
11 Posted 29/05/2023 at 08:59:31
Dyche surely has to be given time to build a team.

I just hope we can get a good boardroom soon. No more of Chairman Bill uttering lies, taking us for fools.

Kim Vivian
12 Posted 29/05/2023 at 09:04:08
I just remembered that the board have not attended a home match since Dyche has been manager. So disrespectful.

It's a shame his position prevents him from really letting them have both barrels.

Tom Sellick
13 Posted 29/05/2023 at 09:18:11
That Men In Blazers hollering US tour – self-congratulatory, celebratory, Anthony “Starboy” Gordon-worshipping cringe fest last summer is one of the most embarrassing wholesale decisions we have made as a club.

Dyche gets it. The relief of it yesterday; now the reset...

Lee Courtliff
14 Posted 29/05/2023 at 09:18:59
I've made no secret of my issues with Dyche but that was a great interview on Sky.

I'm fully behind him to take us into midtable obscurity for the next 2 seasons. If he can just 'steady the ship' and keep us respectable, then he's done a good job.

He does frustrate me with his selections and bizarre non-use of subs but yesterday was an incredibly stressful day at Goodison and I'm just so relieved!

If Dyche can toughen us up and turn us into a Dogs of War type team that nobody enjoys playing against, then that will be the first step towards where we want to be. He can do all the good things that Moyes did for us – organisation, fitness, team spirit, etc.

Jack Plant
15 Posted 29/05/2023 at 09:25:22
Loved that message, hard work starts now, it would be sheer madness to get rid of him.
Paul Burns
16 Posted 29/05/2023 at 09:36:33
People have got to stop referring to Kenwright and his partners in crime as "the Board".

These criminals have ran the club into the ground while squashing all dissent, the total lack of standards at all levels of operation, lack of ambition and absence of communication have resulted in Everton becoming a joke and a shell of a professional organisation.

The media went along with it and too many of our own fans swallowed the charade whole. It stops now.

We need a proper, fully operational boardroom with responsibilities, targets, culpability, openness and communication and not the smug, absent landlord arrogance of a man carrying on like a communist dictator.

And that's just the start if this permanent nightmarish train-wreck that Everton have become doesn't continue until we achieve disaster because we can't complain that we didn't get enough warnings or realise what was happening.

Ray Jacques
17 Posted 29/05/2023 at 09:50:06
He can't make subs as there is nothing of note on the bench. Look at the subs yesterday, the Chuckle Brothers, Keane and Holgate, were the most senior. That tells you everything.
Mike Doyle
18 Posted 29/05/2023 at 09:59:05
No mention of the Board in Sean Dyche's post-match interview.

Nothing (yet) of course from the owner or Board thanking Dyche and his staff for this role in keeping us up.

I wonder if he is thinking of walking – or if he'll wait to be told there will be no money for new players before he does?

Graham Mockford
19 Posted 29/05/2023 at 10:00:54
Recruitment is obviously the key and I'm sure Dyche will have a clear view of what he's looking for.

Significant contracts terminating this summer: Mina (our biggest earner), Tom Davies, Townsend, Seamus, Coady and Begovic. I would expect Seamus to get a 1-year renewal with a view to assimilating him into the backroom staff. The rest will go. That's about £15M a year in wages.

Then we have our problem children: Gomes, Gbamin and Dele Alli, who unfortunately will probably stay out on loan and we will be paying a proportion of their wages or, in Dele Alli's case, probably all for another year.

I'd be surprised if we cashed in our two saleable assets Pickford and Calvert-Lewin. Especially given the latter's value has been diminished by his fitness record.

We also have a few that might not be in the manager's plans and might exit although none of them will earn as much somewhere else so probably loan arrangements. Thinking Holgate, Keane.and Maupay…

But it's going to be a real balancing act because there is probably some pressure to reduce the wage bill given our P&S issues.

My biggest concern is Dyche in his interview says he still doesn't know what he's got to work with recruitment-wise. He might be about to get a big disappointment…

James Newcombe
20 Posted 29/05/2023 at 10:51:08
I want him to stay for a while and at least build the base of a proper squad. Even if that means we just don’t have to play people out of position so often.

If we replace Dyche with some ‘name’ as reported in the press; then it proves our hierarchy have learned absolutely nothing.

No doubt we’d go on to buy a few more uninterested, expensive Fancy Dans and end up in the same position, again and again.

Daniel A Johnson
21 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:03:58
I'm confident that Dyche can build in an inexpensive hard-grafting mid-table side that will stabilise us for the next 2-3 seasons into our shiny new stadium.

The problem is, will he have money eventually to add a bit of spice and magic dust into that squad? Also would you trust him to take you to that next level and spend the money?

It's going to be a big 1-3 years for Everton and also for Sean Dyche to prove that he can manage and evolve a sleeping giant into the Top 6 and not just turn us into Burnley Mk II.

Joe Corgan
22 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:10:38
If our board has any sense whatsoever, there would be some kind of announcement today. Not just a statement of promises and reflection, but something of action.

I'm not suggesting an immediate resignation or sale of the club – just anything that demonstrates an urgency to do what needs doing over the summer. The work needs to start today, not in a week or a month's time.

Until such a time that the current board is removed, the minimum I expect to see is intent. Active intent. No more reviews or promises. Nothing kicked down the road.

Neil Carter
23 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:16:24
Just watched the Dyche post-match interview – spot-on with all he said. First hardworking manager who doesn't talk fluff since Moyes and he has spoken much more like managers of the past – refreshingly honest in a world of fashionable bullshitters.

Back him, give him time, he has the passion and the drive. No more foreign fuckwits like Martinez, Koeman, Silva or Benitez, please! 🙏

Neil Carter
24 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:19:07
You can ice the cake when there's a solid cake to finish off.

No more whipped cream covering a sausage roll!!!😂

Kevin Naylor
25 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:24:22
It's just nice to be able to wake up with the sun shining and not having to think about survival for a few months.

Lots of shit to come but, for now, I'll just bathe in the calmness of finishing 17th.

Stu Gore
26 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:27:11
Yesterday many or most of the sides were playing in their 23-24 season kit. All ready in time for holiday season.

Us? Nope. The digital banner ad for the Everton direct store still has Anthony Gordon on it.

What did that root-and-branch review actually highlight? Systemic issues throughout.

Roger Helm
27 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:31:47
I am still waiting on Rob’s big news, hoping that it is about Kenwright and his gang getting their P45s.
Billy Bradshaw
28 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:44:57
So glad we stayed up yesterday, but this morning there's a strange empty frustrating feeling.
Robert Williams
29 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:45:40
JC @

If our board has any sense whatsoever, there would be some kind of announcement today. Not just a statement of promises and reflection, but something of action. I'm not suggesting an immediate resignation or sale of the club.

Well, Joe, if our board has any sense there will be a statement today announcing the resignation of Kenwright and his Moll, Denise.

The 'board' does have a sense – a sense of duty to the club.
The 'board' have underperformed, they have been negligent and irresponsible. They have mis-appropriated funds that were given in good faith by a trusting fool.

The 'board' does not consist of just two people, or even three.
If the 'board' has the best interests of this football club, the 'board' will quickly recognise that immediate changes are necessary in order to get this once mighty club into intensive care.

Everton FC have survived three traumatic experiences – they may not survive another.

Paul Armstrong
30 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:48:42
Rob? Where are you?
Rob Halligan
31 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:52:47
I’ve posted on the Premier League survival assured thread what you all wanted to know. Sorry it’s not what you all wanted to hear.
Paul O'Neill
32 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:55:15
Neil @23.

‘Foreign fuckwits'?

The nationalities of our managers or players are irrelevant. If you don't like the managers, fine but go wave your xenophobic flags somewhere else, please. Kopite behaviour, man.

Barry Rathbone
33 Posted 29/05/2023 at 11:55:26
Putting aside the Dyche penchant for "management-speak" the underlining message is good. Contemporary Everton is a shadow of what it once was, requiring major surgery just to avoid more relegation scraps.

Tarkowski is the model. He cost zip-all in relative terms, doesn't cry off with a snagged fingernail, and contributes.

A few more like him will consign these days to history and, whilst not guaranteeing the title by Xmas (we might have to wait till Easter), we just have to suck it up.

You can't have everything.

Tom Bowers
34 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:03:56
In the end, one brilliant save by Pickford in the 95th.minute was what ensured safety but we all know he was doing his job as he did on many occasions to help get vital points.

Many people lambasted Pickford when results went against Everton but he proved what a terrific keeper he is.

Dyche did a fine job in the end but he too would have been written off if they had been relegated.

The man managed to eke out some vital wins with a motley crew and his experience was what was needed to see us through.

Kudos to him and his staff for what they did and hopefully changes will happen to help them get this club back to where they belong.

Andrew Ellams
35 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:07:42
I'm not sure we'll have the finances for too much of a rebuild but competition at full-back and a reliable striker have to be the priorities.

Is Dembele still leaving Lyon on a free?

John Raftery
36 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:11:27
At this moment, Sean Dyche is the club's biggest asset apart from the fans. Among many strengths, he seems to have the knack of managing upwards. He will need to do a lot of that in the coming weeks as budgets and personnel are juggled to improve the balance of the squad.

In regard to the squad, the comings and goings will probably not be as many as we or Dyche might hope for. The blindingly obvious area for major improvement is the attack. There is also a need for players who are more durable, less injury prone and more versatile.

We will not see any big name, expensive signings. I would not be surprised if we see one or two journeymen types who will not excite the fans but can be relied upon by the manager.

Roger Helm
37 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:16:47
Some TWers think Sean Dyche isn't good enough for our club.

I just hope he goes on thinking Everton are a good enough club for him.

Neil Lawson
38 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:18:54
Dyche needs to be confirmed in post by close of business tomorrow at the latest. There must be no fannying around awaiting takeover or investment progress.

If he is not to be appointed to continue, then that too must be announced imminently. Whatever you think of him, he has delivered and does talk sense; to discard him now would make no sense and would be another Moshiri howler. That man has scored more own goals than Sandy Brown.

We need a couple of combative seasons with some positive progress. Some good cup runs. Then, and probably only then, might there be some potential to start punching at a higher level.

As a 68-year-old True Blue, I will be very happy if we can be competitive and enter every game without dread and with some optimism for a decent result. Unless we are bought out by a Middle Eastern billionaire, we are never likely to threaten the top 4, but hey-ho. So what.

Let's get back at least to the joyful days at Goodison and in the new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock, even if the hopes of return to the glory days are far-fetched.

Andrew Ellams
39 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:19:36

I don't think Dyche is going get at better offers as we all know Premier League managers don't resign any more, they'd rather hang on for the huge payoff and drag the club with them.

Kevin Naylor
40 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:27:56
Barry 33, exactly – more Tarkowskis please.

When he got involved in the Pickford incident, that was brilliant, and when a second Bournemouth player tried to get involved, he just laughed at him.

We need more hardly injured types who play nearly every game and give their all. Not easy to find but they are out there, I'm sure.

Robert Tressell
41 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:29:48
Finally… someone in charge who looks like the right fit – and capable of remaining in situ for more than 12 to 18 months. This allows us to build.
Rick Pattinson
42 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:37:02
Dyche needs to stay. Give him the money needed to rebuild. We can't keep chopping and changing managers.

Like David Moyes before him, he fits the bill. Look at where we ended up with these so-called elite managers.

Karl Meighan
43 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:39:31
Someone other than fools need to be in charge of player recruitment at Everton. The first thing I noticed yesterday was we had 2 midfielders who cost £50M+ – Doucoure and Onana. Anyone can see neither are much better if at all than Billings who played for Bournemouth yesterday.

It's getting boring that so many can see the poor recruitment that season on season it seems it leads to a last-game survival battle.

We have changed managers yet the same players in many cases have survived them all. How? And will we only see improvement in the academy if and when we are relegated?

Kevin Molloy
44 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:51:11
Reading between the lines, this is a pretty scathing verdict on the way the club is running. He's certainly not being conciliatory. Contrast his words with what Lampard was coming out with this time last season.

I know we all know this, but it must be an absolute shitshow behind the scenes. He's done very well to bite his lip this whole time.

Imagine what he was like when the useless twats failed in the last 72 hours to bring in a forward, He must have felt like screaming, but he took it all on the chin and said it wasn't a problem.

Moshiri had better sort this fucking mess out pronto.

Graham Mockford
45 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:56:50
To some extent the, belief we have spent loads of money in the last 5 years is a bit of a myth.

Sure, we've bought some truly terrible players but our squad is the 13th most expensive assembled in the Premier League. Our net spend in the last 5 years on transfers has us at 15th.

Mina, our current highest earner, would be Wolves' 8th highest and Villa's 13th. That's a pretty stark reality. And if you get to the serious end, he wouldn't be in the top 15 players at any of the big clubs. And guess what: he's leaving because we can't afford him!

For sure it's not all about money. Brighton have shown that this season, but the terrible financial position the custodians of this club have placed us in truly is a disgrace.

Good luck, Sean Dyche!

Karen Mason
46 Posted 29/05/2023 at 12:57:37
I too applaud Dyche's realism and honesty. We all know that things need to change on and off the pitch and have been saying so, for some seasons. If we have no money for players, which is clear, then why are we continuing to sell the best youngsters we have?

They have been through our academy, so 'get what Everton are about,' would no doubt give everything, play with the passion we love, and respect the shirt they wear. And, it would appear, wanted by other clubs as they have shown that they have talent and ability.

For examply, although not via our academy, why are we selling Branthwaite? I know that we already have a plethora of centre-backs, but in my humble opinion, only Tarkowski is a keeper. (I love Connor Coady too, but I don't think we will pay the money to sign him on a permanent deal.)

Why have we sold one of our most talented young midfielders? If we have to sell Onana for the finance, then we had a great replacement already at the club?

Somebody please reassure me that we won't sell more of our 'family silver' – like Tom Cannon etc – to be replaced by players who are not as good as what we have, and for more money?

If things have to change on and off the pitch, and recruitment on a budget is key to the 'on the pitch' future, why sell our most talented players who are already at our club?

Dave Cook
47 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:02:26
I'm unsure what to do about the striker situation.

100% we need to sign one and get rid of Maupy. Hearing a lot saying we need two but I'd actually rather see us keep Simms and Cannon around the first team.

Just please make sure Gray is never near that lone striker spot again.

Paul Armstrong
48 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:05:37
Karen @46,

Well said!

Gary Brown
49 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:14:04
I said this on another thread, but better here and would like to expand and alter it a little.

We need to act fast and decisive in the transfer market this summer. That alone would be the first positive change. Hopefully the Gordon money still exists, so I'd start there and see if we could sort the depth issue at least:

CB - Coady £5M
RB - Tino Livramento - £10M
ST - Che Adams - £15M
ST - Mousa Dembele - free
LB - Luke Thomas - £10M
RM - Adama Traore - Free

If we could do that, or something like that, think we could then relax a little and look for real quality for sale (Beto, Kudus, etc) or maybe use the loan market if we can't raise further funds.

Hopefully we can move on Keane, Holgate, Davies, Townsend, Gomes, Dele Alli, Maupay, Gbamin, et al, and then anything raised there in transfer or loan fees can perhaps cover that one quality buy. Branthwaite, Nkounkou, Warrington, Tyrer, and Cannon can hopefully step in and up too.

This league has very fine margins. Important for me to keep the same 11 to 13 that got us through the last 6 months and try and add to them. I'd only let Onana go if 1) we get mad money for him (£50-60M) and 2) there's someone identified and secured to replace him. Same with Pickford (albeit I'd want £100M because he has saved us twice in 2 years).

The kind of squad that I'd like for next year

GK Pickford / Tyrer / Begovic
RB Patterson / Livramento / Coleman
RCB Tarkowski / Coady / Godfrey
LCB Branthwaite / Welch
LB Mykolenko / Thomas / Nkounkou
RM “AN Other” / Traore / Mills
CM Garner / Doucouré / Warrington
CM Onana / Iwobi / Gana / McAllister
LM McNeil / Gray
ST “Beto” / Adams / Simms
ST Calvert-Lewin / Dembele / Cannon

Barry Rathbone
50 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:21:29
Graham @45,

Interesting figures there.

Confirms my gut feel over the duration that spending more than previously wasn't nearly enough to re-establish top table status.

Can't see it being much different with the reported new investment of a few million. The desperate search for an oil sheikh continues…

Simon Jones
51 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:26:15
I'm not going to play Fantasy Football Manager, there is no point, we'll get what we get in terms of players.

But what I'd like to see is an identity, a team, a balanced squad. Fair play to the hoarse-voiced one for calling out what he needs. None of this "Let's have a break, reset and regroup" bollocks.

I can't imagine Sean Dyche, had he been manager last summer, thinking, "Yeah, Neal Maupay, he'll be boss..."

We didn't need a 20- or 30-goal-a-season striker last year, just one guy who would have scored 8 or 9 goals would likely have got us 6 more points (home to Villa and Southampton spring to mind).

Terry Downes
52 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:29:20
Gary Brown,

If you would pay £15M for Che Adams, I wouldn't have you in charge of recruitment!

I wouldn't have him playing for the Dog and Duck – let alone us!

Shane Corcoran
53 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:34:11
A couple of no-brainers are to sign Coleman and Begovic up for another year each.

After that, all the best.

Allan Board
54 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:35:34
Kenwright and his lackeys are now seen for what they have always been – fucking shithouses. If it meant relegation as a guarantee of their removal, I'd have taken it.

Sean Dyche has now called them out – the first manager to do so – and I applaud the guy for it. Yes, he is getting paid enormous sums of money but that doesn't mean you roll over and lick arse (Kenwright's) and become one of them, and he hasn't.

That interview may cost him his job because Kenwright will be fuming with the content and the clear intimation that this shit show starts at the top (which he's right on) and the way this club has been so ridiculously badly managed for 20-odd years.

I am hoping Sean knows more than he is letting on, and he is already aware Kenwright is finished and his harem are planning their escape routes as we speak. They will all get severance, so fuck 'em. If not, then expect Kenwright to start stirring it and make Dyche's job impossible.

How can anyone defend the fraudsters on our Board now? What a disgraceful way to treat a new manager who was prepared to take on such a poisoned chalice, effectively saving their arses – and not one of them turned up yesterday to show support for him.

Sharp is the one that really grates with me. I expect nothing less from Kenwright, his bit of fluff, and chinless Ingles… but an ex-player, adored and supported, the closest in stature to us fans and fully understanding of the shit Dyche has gone through – absolutely unforgivable and he is a turn coat.

He was just a shirt scoring goals for Everton as far as I'm concerned… like Lineker is remembered. Big Nev is worth 50 of you, pal.

Players taking on board Dyche's rhetoric after the game is a good sign; this garbage has never been acceptable, and just changing players won't make any difference unless the current ethos of Everton FC is completely torn up and the core values of hard work, unity, respect, loyalty, a playing philosophy throughout all age groups, discipline, regulation, innovation and honesty are ingrained into the entire framework of the business.

Everton need 21st-Century leadership, not 1950s. If we don't all stick together and remove Kenwright now, this club will be bottom of the table next season – again.

Dave Abrahams
55 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:40:13
I think Sean Dyche is an honest man and is speaking out to those who are running the club to try and get things changed in order for the club to progress… but who is he speaking to, who is listening?

Who is at Finch Farm or Goodison Park or The Liver Buildings? Who or where is anybody who is going to engage with Sean about what is happening with the club?

It appears to me Sean Dyche is left in limbo like the rest of us.

Gary Brown
57 Posted 29/05/2023 at 13:53:16
Terry, a player is worth what a selling club want to accept, and a buying club want to pay. If we want to act fast, we need to offer a free that'll work. Transfermarkt have him at €22M so I feel £15M is about right.

He'd fit this system perfectly. But, if you'd rather wait and chance a Maupay again in September when everything else is gone, that's your call. Personally, I want them in early, and then see if we can bluff our way to a Beto or Kudus at decent value later in the window.

Ajay Gopal
58 Posted 29/05/2023 at 14:04:36
Sean Dyche is the best thing that has happened to this club for a long time – the only sensible decision made by Moshiri in his disastrous tenure.

Dyche is an ambitious manager – he is looking to make his mark at a top club, and Everton is the perfect club for him to do it.

I don't think people credit him for his tactical nous. He may not be Pep Guardiola, but then he doesn't have 10% of the top clubs' resources.

But that may not be a bad thing – we may be back to square one, back to when Moyes was appointed to save the club from disaster.

That may sound depressing because that was more than 2 decades ago, but at least we are still standing. No football club has a divine right to be in the top flight, and certainly it is almost a miracle that Everton are still in the top flight in spite of the terrible mismanagement inflicted on the club by successive owners.

If Dyche is given even some financial support by the owner and board, he might surprise us all with a competitive and attractive brand of football. But, as Dave (55) above points out, everything about the club seems to be in a limbo at present, waiting for an announcement. Maybe about the new investment, new board?

I suspect that Dyche's future at the club will become clear only after the major decisions are made. Obviously, we all hope that happens sooner rather than later.

Peter Fearon
59 Posted 29/05/2023 at 14:07:12
Advocating for Sean Dyche to remain as manager ignores the primary reason we survived with a points tally that should have seen us plummeting into the Championship. That reason is Leicester City's catastrophic run of form – even worse, narrowly, than our own.

Dyche improved our results only marginally, not enough to steer us to safety in most seasons. Improvement is a word that might more properly be applied to Forest or Bournemouth or Villa.

He was hired to keep us up and to win promotion if he could not. His primary qualification for that is experience with relegation and promotion campaigns.

He stubbornly refused to give Ellis Simms a consistent run in the side while persevering much of the time with the French Jigsaw Puzzle, Neal Maupay.

As we seem to have limited spending power right now, we will need someone who has experience developing young players and building winning teams. He is not that guy. Over his entire managerial career, Watford, Burnley and Everton, he fails to win about two-thirds of the time. Even Frank Lampard's record is better than that.

Jose Mourinho says clubs have to give managers either money or time. He's right. But you can give Sean Dyche 5 or even 10 years and he will still be a bottom-third-of-the-table manager or worse. I would rather give that time to someone else.

Len Hawkins
60 Posted 29/05/2023 at 14:12:06
It is a big burden off the shoulders after yesterday but don't forget there is an investigation ongoing into the finances and I don't think for one minute that there won't be some sort of witch hunt.

I bet the letters and emails from Southampton, Leeds Utd and Leicester City have already winged their way to the Premier League hierachy with the threats of court action.

The only good thing about it would be the Board of Directors and the Owner make the decisions about spending money so they should carry the can for the fiasco they have got this club into, after all why should the players the staff of EFC and the supporters be the ones to lose out when it is The Lavender Hill Mob who sanctioned the spending?

I'm sure Kenwright could use his stay in prison to pen a new musical: The Proctological Side of Prison Life when Teary Bill becomes a Wife.

Robert Tressell
61 Posted 29/05/2023 at 14:15:42
Gary, we'll all be relieved to see business done early this summer but, with our finances, it's going to be challenging.

I expect the Gordon money is gone and won't be reinvested. That's what kept us afloat and (just about) within Premier League financial rules.

Moshiri has turned off the tap altogether so the only way we'll spend meaningful sums is through either (a) the takeover / investment process and / or (b) the sale of Onana and / or Pickford. None of this looks likely to happen fast.

Equally, selling clubs and target players will be holding out for higher bids, higher up front fees and higher wages than we're offering – so I think we're likely to still be scrapping around for players very late into the window.

The scouts, Thelwell and Dyche will probably have a clear idea of who they want but the market is against them.

One deal I could see going through quite quick though is Gyökeres. With Simms as a makeweight, I could see Coventry doing business fairly early on (as we might be the only top-flight club still interested now that Leeds have gone). Gyökeres is not amazing but that would at least solve one major headache.

John Raftery
62 Posted 29/05/2023 at 14:31:50
Peter (59),

And who might that someone else be? You seem to be looking for a miracle worker.

Statistics and win percentages can be very misleading in regard to the individual circumstances faced by managers. Dyche's record over the last four months is much better than Lampard's over the last year in every respect and for this season, that is all that matters.

I think the last few minutes of yesterday's game illustrated why Dyche has been reluctant to play Simms. The lad has the ability to score goals but, in a team which creates few chances, he lacks the pace, agility, aggression and work rate to play the lone striker role.

Alan J Thompson
63 Posted 29/05/2023 at 14:39:52
I've said before that I was not enamoured of Mr Dyche's appointment but, in avoiding relegation, he has earned not only his £3.5M bonus but also the right to start next season in the post.

However, this sounds to me to be more like somebody who knows more about what is about to happen behind the scenes than somebody standing alone in calling for change.

Ed Prytherch
64 Posted 29/05/2023 at 14:52:05

If we bring in a striker from the Championship, it will most likely be Tom Cannon.

Kevin Molloy
65 Posted 29/05/2023 at 14:55:46
I'm just reading more of the Dyche interview. He's not even been told his budget for the summer… I mean, he's completely in the dark.

So, as of today, no contingency plans were in place for when we avoided relegation. Best just to not to do anything and just keep the poor bugger in suspense.

I think the interview he is giving is a bit nuclear, tbh. he may not survive, cos he's making the owners look even worse, if that's possible.

I dismissed the rumours at the weekend that the club were looking to replace him; surely even we wouldn't be that stupid to undermine the key performer on the key weekend?

But maybe there is some truth to it, hence the stinging words?

Mike Doyle
66 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:00:37
Dave #55, I share your concern.

I wonder if Sean is sitting at home today asking himself if it is worth going in tomorrow?

His post-match interview was great, but nothing he said indicated that any sort of plan was in place just waiting to be triggered as soon as we knew our fate.

Of course there may be one, but being Everton, none of us would be surprised if there wasn't.

Ray Said
67 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:01:43
Regarding transfers, if the investment with MSP is finalised, then we would expect some sort of link with the other teams that they have investment in with players in the future moving both ways?

The downside to that is those other teams don't seem to have players of the right quality for our first-team squad but outgoing loans for our younger lads may be useful.

Raymond Fox
68 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:05:10
Peter 59, could it not be down to the quality of player he's had at his disposal at the clubs he's managed.

Football managers don't have to have a Mensa IQ; Sean Dyche is intelligent enough to play different ways if he's given better-class players.

Exceptional players make all the difference; problem for us is we find it very difficult for various reasons to get them to sign for us.

The things that come across from him the most are his upbeat no-nonsense attitude. I think he's just the right man for us.

Will Mabon
69 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:07:24

none of those you mentioned will want to hear it. Potential certain parties in our future will be listening.

Brian Harrison
70 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:19:05
I think the message from Sean Dyche in the after-match press conference was loud and clear: things can not stay as they are and there needs to be a massive mindset change throughout the club.

This means a new owner and a new board within weeks or we face the prospect of Dyche walking away, and what he has done since he has been here means many possible suitors will see him in a different light than the man who managed Burnley.

When he came, Everton were odds on to go down; then he had to get us to safety with his main striker constantly injured; then he loses his talisman captain and both his full-backs.

For the last 2 games, he has had to play 2 of his most effective players as wingbacks. And yet, through all of that, he still managed to galvanise this team to stay up.

We had protest marches before every home game, but we need to protest even more now the season has finished, just to let Moshiri and his board know they are not wanted

Every day all of them are still here increases the chances that Dyche won't put up with more interference from owner or board and will make his decision accordingly.

Dave Abrahams
71 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:32:08
Will (69),

Maybe Mr Moshiri could take Sean Dyche to speak to those certain potential parties in our future and that might increase their interest and get the ball ready to get rid of the parties who have made a mess of running the club quicker?

Jason Li
72 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:32:35
After the Dyche miracle in the last few months, he has to be allowed to continue the job to the next stage, which is moving to mid-table then towards Europe.

Obviously when the season starts if there's a different manager and it doesn't work again, the owners can't guarantee they can go back to Dyche again. It just won't be acceptable by anybody if the owners make another foolish mistake like this.

The signings of Patterson, Garner, Onana and McNeil in the last year tells me we've got a little bit better at trading in the transfer market than the Schneiderlin and Walcott era type of buys. So a few more like these over the next couple of years and things will look much more rosier if Dyche is still coaching the team. None of them from big clubs and also glamour names. Only a couple of big name players have worked out, but financially it ruins everything.

And Dyche is the manager this season who played Doucoure in goal scoring positions regularly and replaced Richarlisons goals, which Lampard could not see.

Another Lampard-type manager may come in and says build from the back again and Doucoure to drop back to play short intricate passes again. This means ripping up another system again that is effective as O'Neil and Doucoure have been putting it in the net in the current system. With a couple of fit first-team strikers and another left-back in the squad in August, this system will create a lot of chances each game.

For me, Dyche has to stay as he is savvy and gets the most out of the squad on match day.

Peter Fearon
73 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:45:02
Raymond (68),

Every time someone suggests changing managers, the reflexive response is always ‘who would you replace him with?'' Which is a trap because any named manager can be countered with failings, unavailability, reluctance and so on.

I will tell you the profile: someone who was successful as a player, has experience recruiting and developing young players at a national level in Europe, U18 or U21 and has gone on to manage a mid-table or better European or British club and has enjoyed some success there. That's the kind of manager hungry enough and with the right foundation.

Dyche is a relegation & promotion guy. 12 years of his management shows it. And don't tell me that one season Burnley qualified for Europe negates that. He did not build anything there in almost 10 years.

Ray Smith
74 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:51:09
Read the last paragraph of Lyndon's piece.

Sean Dyche is saying it how it is. ‘When we find out the truth'!, (partial quote) what does that mean?

Dyche is the man to commence building this club back up from the depths we have sunk too. If Kenwright is still with us for next season, nothing will change.

If the partial sale of shares goes through with a caveat that 2 places on the board are true, what's the betting that it won't be Kenwright's head that rolls?

I don't see this as a closed season, but hard work and graft by all as of today, which Dyche has already alluded to. Will he be given the free rein to commence his vision of where he wants to take us?

Another year of dodging relegation is just unthinkable. Leave him alone to get on with the job… do we even need a DoF?

Kevin Naylor
75 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:52:03
Game of Blackjack for Moshiri now.

Holding 16 and the dealer has a 10, does he stick or twist with Dyche?

Jerome Shields
76 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:52:24
I think it is quite often obvious that the Board should have already resigned. There is no confidence in them at any level.

Why Moshiri has not pushed for their departure is just one big unanswered question that is getting stranger by the minute. Kenwright has shares, but not enough to hold on to the Chairmanship.

Robert Tressell
77 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:55:50
Peter, if you apply that criteria then you might easily end up with a Lampard.

If you don't believe Dyche built something at Burnley, then take a look at the third tier of English football where similar clubs are languishing who didn't have a Dyche.

Andy Meighan
78 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:58:15
I've heard off a mate this morning that Kenwright has privately told his allies that he's 100% going nowhere.

Whether this is true or not I've no idea. But knowing the fat fuck's bloated ego, it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

One thing is certain: the longer him, Barrett-Baxendale, Ingles and Sharp remain in situ, nothing at all will change, and we'll find ourselves revistiting the same place next season.

So maybe Dyche already knows that.

Dave Abrahams
79 Posted 29/05/2023 at 15:59:11
Peter (73),

Burnley was a club that was just happy to stay in the Premier League and that suited Dyche, he was there a good few years. My understanding is that Dyche was on a good bonus every season if he kept Burnley in the Premier League.

They decided to let him go near the end of his last season there. Maybe they jumped the gun although it must be said they will be very happy with the job Vincent Kompany has done up to now.

But so were Crystal Palace with Patrick Viera until they got jittery near the end of this season and brought Roy Hodgson in to revive their fortunes. Football is a vicious business and today's saint is tomorrow's sinner.

Kenwright has always been a sinner but getting found out now and kicked out soon hopefully!!

Raymond Fox
80 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:02:23
Are you having a laugh, Kevin, he has made a succession of bad decisions, but getting rid of Dyche would sure take the biscuit.

He needs to sack the board first and then seriously consider sacking himself.

Kevin Molloy
81 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:02:52
You can also see how 'at arm's length' they've kept him.

"I'd be very surprised if there's a war chest." He clearly doesn't know these people at all. What an absolute farce.

I mean, you'd think they'd have done everything to make his life as easy as possible these last few months. I think they've just pointed him to the training ground and wandered off.

Denis Richardson
82 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:05:33
Sean Dyche has more than earned a shot at managing a large Premier League club over a few transfer windows.

His first and only job when he came was to get us out of the mess that Lampard got us into and avoid the drop. The fact he's managed to do that with a threadbare squad, injuries to key players and not being able to sign any of his own is a testament to his ability. We can complain about subs and tactics but we cannot take away the fact he's kept us up with a very thin and unbalanced squad.

His words post-match were exactly what I was hoping to hear. None of the usual guff and sugar coating, say it as it is. We're a mess, we need sorting out, and it needs to start from the very top down through all layers of the club.
The fact those in charge duck away from even coming to the ground speaks volumes. There needs to be a big change and now our Premier League place is safe, action needs to be taken to give the manager and team the best chances possible next season to avoid a repeat.

Whoever Moshiri is talking to, this needs to be progressed rapidly and the likes of Kenwright, Barrett-Baxendale and Sharp and whoever else sits on the board need to go. No recriminations, just go.

New management need to come in and work with Dyche to start to sort out the club, top to bottom. Loads of players need to be shown the door and we need to sign a good 5 or 6 in the summer, in the usual problem areas.

We can generate funds from sales if needs be, if someone offers £40M+ for Onana, take it. At least get our money back and invest in an area of the pitch where we're really lacking. Sell Maupay to whoever offers anything. He's not even good enough to be a sub.

A few are coming to the end of their contracts, don't renew most, let them go and use the wages saved to sign better. Townsend, Davies, Coady, Lonergan, Vinagre – let them all go, collectively they've added very little this season. Also, we already have 7 centre-backs, let Coady go and bring Branthwaite back into the squad.

To raise funds, sell the likes of; Maupay, Onana, Holgate, Keane – we might get £70M-£80M if lucky. Use that to buy a half-decent striker and left-back amongst others. Leicester, Leeds, and Southampton will have decent players looking to move on. Target some of these for value buys. I'd take Iheanacho, Barnes and Tielemans in a heartbeat.

Offer Mina another contract, he may be injury prone but he was immense when he came back and definitely makes a big difference on the pitch.

Lots to do, please start now.

Barry Rathbone
83 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:20:20
Putting aside the opinions of fans re Dyche, I imagine the last thing new investors want is repetition of the managerial merry-go-round that has driven us to the edge of the abyss.

It should go without saying the enormity of the Dyche rescue amidst such horrendous circumstances has registered and "potential winner" or "safe pair of hands" are how they see him. Both are fine until the ever elusive sheikh riches turn up (stop laughing at the back).

Can anyone honestly see people putting in a £100 million wanting to repeat the mistakes of the past?

Kevin Naylor
84 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:22:54
Raymond @80, if that was aimed at me, I never suggested he did one thing or the other, just what he has to do next.

No one really knows what is best for EFC at this point (regarding Dyche), it's all just opinions as we are all entitled to.

Raymond Fox
85 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:26:40
Peter @73, I didn't mention who would we replace him with, but my point was that you can't judge a manager fairly until they are given good enough players.

How many more managers are we going to try? It's ended up the same way for each one because the players have been very average. The exception was Ancelotti who spent £67M on Rodriguez, Allen, Doucouré and Godfrey and did okay, but then decided he would sooner manage Real Madrid.

Jamie Crowley
86 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:27:47
Can anyone see this cash-strapped club terminating a managerial contract that runs through summer 2025?

Great move to get rid of Dyche – ignore the recent success of the manager in keeping us up under horrific conditions and a frankly shit landscape, only to buy out his contract with money we don't have to replace this fella with some footy messiah who can polish this wet turd, all the while continuing the carousel of instability at Everton that has plagued us for years.


Jesus above help us.

David Finney
87 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:35:45
Peter (59).

Actually 36 points would definitely keep a team up most seasons. There are only 3 in the last 20 where it would definitely take you down and a few where it would depend on goal difference, but mostly it means safety.

Will Mabon
89 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:42:02
Dave :-)
Raymond Fox
90 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:42:40
Kevin @84, is was aimed at you.

So have you got an opinion or not? Otherwise, I don't see what the point of the post was other than your casting doubt that Dyche should stay manager.

Jerome Shields
91 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:42:54
Denis #82,

My approach would be different. Treat the situation as if Everton has been relegated, going through all departments, cutting back on staff. They effectively have contributed to Everton's current plight and a lot should be gone. I would not be keeping anyone who is at the end of their playing contract, bar those with a further year option on their contract if they fit into future plans.

The Board should be gone and any current directors should not be involved in future plans. I would have a look at Finch Farm in particular and the Academy which is not producing sufficiently. There needs a complete change from rest and recovery to a high-performance culture. This should all be in progress even before the independent commission sits.

The truth is that Everton were effectively relegated had It not been for the serial and greater incompetence of Leeds and Leicester. Sean Dyche has a win ratio of 27.8%, whilst Lampard had a win ratio of 27.3%. Where Dyche made the difference was in individual player stats getting small improvement from most players.

But he found on occasions the Everton apathy we all are so aware off. Those players that didn't get the stats were dropped. In the case of Mina and Cody he managed to get them to commit over a short period, Coady in one match. His persistence without substitution was an acceptance of limitations and trying to push the players' performance by game time.

Dyche has little confidence in Finch Farm bringing on players other than the input of his own staff. He did make extensive us of data collected. He was fortunate that the board, club management and owner stayed away out of the road. He probably did not engage much with them, hence the rumours of a replacement.

A relevant question is would you like to be supporting Leicester who won the Premier League and FA Cup within living memory or Everton right now?

Kieran Kinsella
92 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:51:33
Last summer, there was naivety. We thought Gordon would improve, Alli might get his mojo back, we might raise money selling Gomes Keane etc.

Now we have a potential points deduction, the same overpaid unsellable players like Gomes and Alli. So it's going to be shopping in the pound store, selling off Onana, hoping Cannon and Branthwaite can step up.

Sean is well suited to this type of job. He's the best choice for where we are now.

Mike Gaynes
93 Posted 29/05/2023 at 16:53:05
Peter #59-#73, you make a persuasive case, and numbers are important -- nobody is a bigger numbers guy than me -- but the results don't tell the entire story here. I also look at quality of performance.

We were simply a braver, more aggressive team after Dyche came in. We pressured higher, attacked with more commitment, defended with greater intensity. Dyche instilled confidence and accountability that hadn't been there. As our numbers dwindled with the fullback injuries, he pulled performances from players who hadn't performed before. He allowed no excuses and made none.

There are several other reasons why we shouldn't sack him. One is money -- we simply can't afford to being paying off sacked managers right now. Two is the need to show some stability to our new investors. Three is the proven inability of our owner and Board to hire intelligently -- remember, they first wanted Bielsa, who IMO would have been a catastrophe. And four is the very real possibility that we will be back in emergency mode from Week One next season because of a potential points deduction from the FFP breach investigation. The players know Dyche's system and wouldn't require bedding in to a new manager's system at a time when we may need to hit the ground absolutely sprinting. Gambling on a new, untried manager at a time like that would be a huge mistake in my opinion.

At any rate, I see zero chance he'll be sacked. Dyche has won the players and is popular with the fans, and the current Board will stay with him. Now I do firmly believe we will shortly have a new Board, but I can't believe that, whoever they are, their priority will be replacing the manager when it's clearly the playing roster that cries out for help.

We will definitely have Dyche as our manager next season, and that suits me fine.

Tony Abrahams
94 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:03:05
I had a long day, I saw so many things, I had loads of thoughts, and I think I only had a very quiet and logical head on me for most of yesterday. (Except when I was screaming at my son because I thought he said we are going down on 85 minutes, not realizing he wanted to go downstairs with his bad influencing cousin, who said he was going downstairs to run on the pitch.)

I drove past Bramley-Moore Dock twice and, amongst my thoughts was how strong they had to make the foundations, considering it's a stadium that is getting built on a dredged dock, and will one day accommodate 60,000 people, once safe standing becomes the normality in certain parts of stadiums once again.

I then drove to Crosby, and whilst looking across towards the beach, I thought this is what Everton Football Club is currently sitting on, because the playing side of Everton, right throughout our club, definitely seems to be built on nothing more than sand, and it also seems to be completely void of any real foundations.

“I don't know how good Dyche can be, but one thing I definitely believe is that his achievement in keeping Everton, in the Premier League is not getting the credit that it deserves.”

Everton were finished, imo. Wolves were bottom, they won at Goodison; Southampton were bottom, they won at Goodison, and on the very same day, the board decided to create a massive division between themselves and the fans, simply because new potential investors were going to Goodison that day, and they obviously didn't want these people, to see that Evertonians wanted real change at the top of their football club.

I couldn't see a way back after the Brighton debacle, especially without a fit Calvert-Lewin, but somehow Everton survived. Now we need to start rebuilding as many foundations as possible, hopefully by using common sense whilst getting rid of any footballing snobbery that might still exist amongst any fans, imho!

Kevin Naylor
95 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:06:44
Raymond @90, I am entitled to post whatever I want on this site (so long as it's within guidelines).

I was merely pointing out he has a big decision to make. My opinion won't influence that and, to be honest, I'm unsure. I can see the stability he could bring for a couple of years but some of his decision-making and tactics and his lack of using subs baffles me immensely.

Though, unless he gets reinforcements in the summer, I believe he'll be gone by Xmas as we struggle again.

Mike Gaynes
96 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:16:23
Tony, all I can say is Amen!

I was thinking of you and your dad yesterday among others, hoping that everything would turn out okay.

Will Mabon
97 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:16:27

Aside from stable, natural rock, sand is actually about the best ground to build on. Okay, it's imported sand in our case but I'm certain they compacted it right!

Maybe the foundations are finally coming back.

Brian Harrison
98 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:20:22
Peter 73

Well your criteria for selecting a manager first had to be as successful player, tried that in Koeman and Lampard both amongst the worst managers we have ever had. Someone who has developed and recruited under 18 and under 21 players and has gone on to have some success at club level. Well, I am really struggling finding anyone who currently fits that bill. Maybe Southgate with having coached England Under-21s but was hardly a success at club level.

Just looking at the top managers in the Premier League, Guardiola went from player to managing Barcelona, Arteta went from assistant to Pep to managing Arsenal.

Eddie Howe doesn't meet any of your qualifications. Klopp doesn't meet any of your qualifications, nor De Zerbi, nor Frank on coaching young players and, apart from Pep, non had a stellar playing career. Frank actually only played amateur football.

Raymond Fox
99 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:26:25
Ok Kevin, so really your not sure about Dyche. That's okay, mate, you are entitled to your opinion.

Sorry, I could have put my replies to you a little better.

Ed Prytherch
100 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:28:39
Does anyone know how much we paid up front for Onana and how much is on the drip? Selling him for £40M might not release a large amount for the transfer kitty. More likely it would be used for more debt reduction.

I believe that we will have to wait for the result of the P&S investigation before we have any idea about bringing in new players. That might be why Dyche knows nothing about it.

Kevin Naylor
101 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:31:22
No problem, Raymond, I think as we are all in the dark at the moment.

The only thing we all agree on is the board must go and hopefully this week.

Dave Williams
102 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:33:41
Has anyone seen anything from the board congratulating the manager and thanking the fans for that incredible support yesterday?
Eugene Ruane
103 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:38:19
These are just first-thought, none-specific, brain-droppings type stuff.


Good to hear a little realism from Dyche (which appears to be appreciated by most).

Firstly that he understands that wishful thinking (something most football supporters, including me, are guilty of) will get us absolutely nowhere.

And good that, rather than tickling the tummies of supporters (Lampard), he's giving us a dose of reality.

So what should (and shouldn't) we expect?

With the team and squad we have right now, we can't expect to pass the ball like Man City (or the 'top' teams) and we don't have the touch and/or pace of Man City, or their class of strikers, and I think most of us get that.

But Dyche should know that, despite our limitations, we have expectations we believe should and could be met.

Firstly there's no (good) reason why we can't be as fit as any team in Britain.

Hopefully him and his coaches will be working on that.

There's also no reason why we can't be the hardest-working side in the country.

Or the physically strongest (or able to go up against the physically strongest).

We absolutely need to up the percentage of second ball we win.

Also, there's no (obvious) reason why scouting can't be less... um... 'obvious' (?) – ie: search every country and every league in the world, rather than what our policy has been in recent years – pay £25M for someone who scored a 'worldie' 3 years earlier, can do loads of keepie-uppies, and his agent is bezzies with Moshiri.

(See what we've spent in the past 5 years and who we recruited… then look at Brighton!)

There's also no reason we can't have a team who talk, ie: (shout) to or at each other and keep each other concentrating the way Coady does. (Or, if you prefer, Reid, Gray, Southall..)

When I played Sunday league none of us had to be told to shout "Man On!!" or "Fucking Tiiiime!", yet I've been at games in the past few years when the crowd have had to shout 'Man On!!' at players because the players are like mutes.

The rest is (also) kind of obvious but... I'll say it anyway.

We need some real speed (see old boxing expression = 'speed kills'). Radzinski was no genius but, when he was on blob, his speed terrified defenders.

We need a few genuinely big physical midfielders and strikers.

15 years ago, that wouldn't have occured to me, but in recent years I've seen Everton players (eg: Davies) easily nudged off balls, beaten for pace, outjumped etc by lads who look bigger more athletic physical specemins.

Kills me to say that actually as I've always preferred Alan Ball shaped footballers to the John Toshack shaped lurch type, but if that's how the game is changing, we have to change with it (could be a trick of the light but the teams like Bournemouth, Palace, Newcastle, Fulham, West Ham etc suddenly seem massive by comparison).

Anyway, as I said just first thoughts.

Made up (obvs!) we stayed up and was fucking delighted that the hideous support of Leicester ended up in tears.

Next time that shower of Tory lackeys and lickspittles think of singing their (hilarious and original) slums and dole songs (while banging their little meff clappers coz they need to be helped to make a noise), I hope they're thinking of us... laughing at them.

Staying UTFT!

Peter Fearon
104 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:44:35
Brian, look at Thomas Frank's CV to name one example of a manager with a strong youth development background.

Sean Dyche will probably ensure we are never relegated. If that's all we want, that's news to me. Nothing in his past suggests he's a manager who can take us further than that.

By the way, players generally have greater respect for managers who have achieved something on the field. They're not all Frank Lampard!

Tony Abrahams
105 Posted 29/05/2023 at 17:54:27
Brilliant thread this and I can't believe Peter F is saying that Dyche never built anything at Burnley in 12 years. Kompany might be a better manager, who knows just yet?

I think the reason he's brought Burnley back up at the first attempt is because I think Dyche has helped put massive foundations into Burnley over the last decade, Peter, but people closer to Burnley might be able to confirm or deny if this is true.

I remember going to their training ground years ago, then going back a couple of years ago, and this is just one example of what I mean when I talk about a club laying strong foundations. I definitely think this has helped Kompany more than anything else.

Roger Helm
106 Posted 29/05/2023 at 18:05:36
Peter, not being relegated actually is the only thing I want for the next 2 or 3 years, especially next season with a likely points deduction.

During that time, hopefully there will be rebuilding behind the scenes so that the club can progress on a sounder footing. It will be a long time before we see galacticos and champagne football.

Mike Gaynes
107 Posted 29/05/2023 at 18:10:48
"...players generally have greater respect for managers who have achieved something on the field."

Maybe when they're hired, Peter, but then they have to prove themselves like anybody else.

Woy is older than the trees and just kept Palace up, and he never kicked a ball. I can name a dozen others who never accomplished squat on the pitch -- Wenger and Villas-Boas and The Special One to name three -- but never had any trouble getting respect in the changing rooms.

Steve Croston
108 Posted 29/05/2023 at 18:33:01
Just read through a lot of comments and I have to say that anyone who thinks Dyche should be replaced needs their fucking heads testing.

That is all.

Tony Everan
109 Posted 29/05/2023 at 18:40:37
Sean Dyche is exactly the manager Everton need.

Who can forget the players coughing their guts up a week after Sean arrived? He is getting the basics right at the club first and it's this that has ultimately made the difference. Fitter and stronger players approach games differently with more confidence.

He's also brought to the table crystal clear communication about players' roles and discipline within the system.

It's no coincidence that since Dyche has come in we are harder to beat, harder to play against. We have teams and managers moaning about us, to me, that's a brilliant measure that we're doing something right.

Next season, it will start with transfers, again it will be about the basics, who will be reliable and bolster the system? Who can we pick up and improve a bit as part of a well-drilled squad. In that category will be a quality striker to back up and challenge Calvert-Lewin. Also a right sided forward who will bring 10 goals to the team – not an easy assignment for Kevin Thelwell, but this is what's needed.

We need a season of stability and gradual improvement and that's what Dyche will bring next season. With some shrewd new signings, expect a very hard-to-beat team with a sting like a scorpion.

I'm looking forward to watching us next season as I think we will surprise a few teams and also some who are sceptical.

Tony Abrahams
110 Posted 29/05/2023 at 18:48:03
When you try and read between the lines, then it would appear that the complete silence must mean massive change is just around the corner. But because we are talking about Everton, and a board full of nepotism, then this might not be true.

If it is true then I just want to say a very big and genuine thank you, from the bottom of my heart to Bill Kenwright, who finally told one lie too many and finally destroyed whatever legacy he might have thought he was going to leave behind.

Thank you, William, and a beautiful reminder that you might be able to kid some of the people some of the time, but you won't be able to kid all of the people all of the time – you cynical, lying, self-centered, nepotistic bastard. Please just fuck off and release the curse!

Kevin Naylor
111 Posted 29/05/2023 at 18:54:29
Final day Tunnel access available on YouTube for those that haven't seen it, makes the hairs on your neck stand up.


Joe McMahon
112 Posted 29/05/2023 at 18:58:30
I've been out all day and I was hoping the Board members would have walked. Surely it can't be long now?

Sean Dyche certainly got the team organised better, I just wish he'd have tried Simms a bit more, but hey-ho, he did what his goal was.

Fingers crossed the next few weeks will look better for Everton, a CEO with proven experience in sport would be a good start!

Dave Abrahams
113 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:03:06
Mike (107) very true.

You don't have to have played in the top layers of football to be a top-class manager. Bertie Mee was a physiotherapist with Arsenal. After Billy Wright, the famous England captain, was released after winning nothing, Bertie was surprisingly invited to be manager.

He had the wisdom to ask Don Howe and Dave Sexton to be his coaches. That wasn't something he was established in, but he brought discipline and order to the club with a strict regime. They won quite a few honours, amongst them the double in 1970-71.

I had the pleasure of watching them beat Liverpool that season to win the FA Cup with Charlie George scoring a memorable winning goal.

I think the main thing about Sean Dyche and the Everton manager's job is that he has earned that right after the last few months of work – doing a remarkable job keeping us in the top league.

Mr Moshiri should have the sense to realise he owes him a dept of honour because keeping us up has given Mr. Moshiri's prospects of selling the club or getting better investment much better by not being relegated.

Don Wright
114 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:11:56
Let's put this into perspective and to bed who was the last team between Everton and Burnley to play in Europe who had arguably one of the best managers in Europe since and still didn't get anywhere near Europe.

Bottom line: Sean Dyche needs to be given our full support. He's not fashionable… who gives a shit? He will do a job or would any of you Dyche out brigade want managers that have managed say Barcelona or Real Madrid? Wait… oh right… we have been there, haven't we?

At one time in a galaxy far far away, we were the Best of the Rest. Well, fuckin' newsflash: we aren't no more. Sean Dyche is exactly the manager we need.

So get off your Football Manager game consoles and look at the real world – the world of Everton Football Club. Whoever is in the dugout, support them... or fuck off.

ps: If I upset anybody… tough shit!

Anthony Dove
115 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:16:35
Dyche has well earned his corn and a shot at the longer term.
He also wins the award for the best turned-out manager on
the touchline.

Kim Vivian
116 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:16:40
Jerome at post #91.

I think a more salient percentage stat is the loss percentage.

In his 18 games, Dyche lost 38%; in his last 18 games in charge with us, Lampard lost 11 (all competitions), that's 61%.

His loss rate overall was 44% – still worse than Sean Dyche, but it is clear that Lampard had completely let go of the tiller by then. Moshiri acted late but in the nick of time as it turned out because we were headed for the rocks.

IMO, Dyche has to be given the opportunity to start with a fairly blank canvas next season.

Dale Self
117 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:17:03
56 is a fucking happy clapper and that was touching, Tony.
Mike Gaynes
118 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:32:14
Kevin #111, thanks for posting that.

Three images will stick with me.

1. The slow pan of the crowd at game's end, with most celebrating but a significant number just standing there, blank-faced, dazed with relief rather than exultation.

2. Big Yerry planting a kiss on Pickford's cheek in mid-interview.

3. Onana sitting on the hallway floor, utterly exhausted, drained, trying to hold back tears.

Hell of a day.

Jack Convery
119 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:35:43
Players out of contract at the end of June. 2023:

Conor Coady (Option to buy £4.5M) – keep
Seamus Coleman – offer 1-year extension
Yerry Mina – release
Tom Davies – release
Rúben Vinagre – release
Andros Townsend – Offer extension: 1 year with an option for a 2nd.
Asmir Begovic - release.
Andy Lonergan - release

Put on transfer list (All valuations from TransferMarkt):

Mason Holgate – £12M (problem is he has a contract until 2025)
Micheal Keane – £10M (same problem as Holgate)
Amadou Onana – £42M (more could be raised from his sale)
Alex Iwobi – £25M (has 1 year left on contract; cash in now)
Neal Maupay – £13M (has 2 years left on contract)
Gbamin, Dele Alli and Gomes – more loans out; no choice.

Total if tranfer fees achieved: £102M.

Squad left:


As we are skint and the majority of the money needs to be spent on a goalscorer, and dare I say a midfield playmaker, plus a left-back, that will leave us bringing in a few loans and let's say 2 or 3 free transfers. It's not good, is it?

Goalkeeper: David Soria, available on a free from Getafe. Valued at £10M. Age 30; Height 1.92 m. Played all their games this season.

Right-bacl: Matt Doherty, also available on a free from Athletico Madrid. Current Ireland international and no doubt knows Seamus Coleman well.

Denis Richardson
120 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:38:54
Jerome @92,

Some interesting points although I think it's unfair to compare Dyche's win ratio to Lampard's. Lampard had two full transfer windows and made some very questionable signings. Onana, Maupay and Dele Alli are going to cost this club tens of millions by the look of things.

Lampard, imo, is the worst manager this club has had the misfortune to appoint in my lifetime, and I can remember the Colin Harvey and Mike Walker days, nevermind Allardyce.…

I agree we need a change at the very top. If Moshiri's not going, then at the very least, appoint a new CEO and get rid of Kenwright. Bring in professional people who know how to run a top professional sports club.

Set out a proper realistic plan for the next 3 years and back the manager to sign players that give balance to the team. And some old-fashioned human communication to the fans would be nice.

Everton right now need a sensible manager who's going to put the basics back in place. Someone with common sense who won't take bullshit. If Moshiri isn't going to back Dyche, Dyche will go. Everton right now need him more than the other way around, imo.

We were lucky to escape but we did not escape because Leeds and Leicester did us a favour. We got more points than them, end of.

Would I swap Everton for Leicester? Had to check it wasn't 1 April when I read that….

Denis Richardson
121 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:41:32
Jack @119,

We currently have 7 centre-backs, I don't think we need Coady even if Mina plus one or two others go. Assuming we bring Branthwaite back into the squad. That £4.5M could be spent elsewhere.

Derek Knox
122 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:44:29
Hi Mike @ 107, I totally agree, in fact it is very rare that a once very good, or outstanding player goes on to become an outstanding manager. Not too many, if any, slip off the tongue.

Good day yesterday, if only for the sense of long-awaited relief. You will be pleased to know you were mentioned in despatches; quite a few of the ones you know, all met beforehand in the Harlech Castle, and a few from as far and wide as near Penzance (Cornwall).

Great fans… us Everton lot have not deserved to have been put through the mill, especially the last two seasons. We craved investment, and look what it has done for us!

In all fairness though, the fans have had no say in the choice of managers or players and the length of contracts awarded to both.

I think it is a widely regarded fact, verging on 'laughing stock' proportions, that we are the worst-run Premier League team and possibly across all the Leagues. The buck has surely to stop here, and we must rebuild, and rebuild wisely.

Whatever funds may be realised now we know that we are a safe will hopefully be known soon and acted upon before we miss out again.

Kenwright and his Cronies Out!

Mark Ryan
123 Posted 29/05/2023 at 19:58:03
If we don't hear from Moshiri or Kenwright tomorrow, thanking Sean Dyche publicly, it's a disgrace. Not to show their faces yesterday was a disgrace.

Speak up, you cowardly no-marks!!

Kevin Naylor
124 Posted 29/05/2023 at 20:10:55
Mike 118, it certainly shows that some players do care and put everything into it.
Mike Gaynes
125 Posted 29/05/2023 at 20:19:09
DK #122, thanks, mate, I was thinking of you lads too. I was miserable enough, but you must have been bleeding internally!!

Jack #119, I couldn't disagree more on Onana. Only 21 and not even 100 top-level appearances, still learning, yet clearly a genuine talent. He's a core piece you build around, not sell.

I would also keep Iwobi simply because he would be so difficult to replace and I think it unlikely he would bring in anywhere near £25M.

I would sell Gray and Godfrey, however. I've become convinced that Ben will never make a Premier League player, despite all his physical talents.

Mike Gaynes
126 Posted 29/05/2023 at 20:25:17
Any thoughts from anyone on the role going forward of our youngsters like Simms, Mills, Welch, McAllister, Price, Cannon, Onyango and Warrington?

I've barely glimpsed a couple of them, most not at all. Will any be in a position to help us next season?

Robert Tressell
127 Posted 29/05/2023 at 20:27:27
The reason we're in such a fix is we only have about 4 or 5 decent players and 2 or 3 of them are hardly ever fit. So unfortunately we can't just sell and replace everyone we don't like.

Players like Iwobi (good yesterday), Godfrey, Mykolenko, Gray and even possibly Keane and Holgate may well all have to play their part next season.

Robert Tressell
128 Posted 29/05/2023 at 20:33:50
Mike, sadly this crop is not in the same league as say Kenny, Connolly, Lookman, Dowell and Calvert-Lewin. Chances are that maybe one of Cannon, Welch or Mills will make it as a squad player.

Simms will probably be sold for about £5M (possibly as a makeweight for Gyøkeres). The others are likely to follow the likes of Walsh, Williams, Evans etc into the 3rd and 4th tiers.

Christy Ring
129 Posted 29/05/2023 at 21:21:26
Dyche did a brilliant job in keeping Burnley in the Premier League for years with little money. He did a great job keeping us up, considering the board sold Gordon, and we were the only club in the relegation battle who signed not a single player in January.

We played without a striker, with Calvert-Lewin injured, and scored only 34 goals. His comments after the game yesterday, were 100% correct.

As he said we have the most imbalanced squad in the Premier League, we had no fullbacks or striker yesterday, and spent huge money on average players.

Why would we want to replace him now? He deserves to be backed, and regarding a transfer budget, don't we already have £67m already in the coffers from Gordon and Kean sales?

Alan Corken
130 Posted 29/05/2023 at 21:40:09
Sean Dyche's interview paints a picture of a chaotic and panicked Board who have no plans for rebuilding the club from the ruins of their own making. Seemingly frozen into inactivity, petrified by fear of relegation, like the proverbial rabbit in the headlights.

I think we should all be worried when he says, "There’s been peripheral talks based on ifs, buts and maybes...But that will come over the coming weeks when we find out the truth of what we have got..."

From this I take it that SD has been left in the dark and is probably being fed the same shite as the rest of us.

I believe that Moshiri and BK plan has been to hold on until the stadium is completed. After that, as long as Everton remain in the premiership, they will sell a very attractive asset and feck off to spend their gains on Matryoshka dolls and crap west end minstrel shows.

Sean's insight however, makes me suspect that the coffers are empty and that they have no idea how they are going to fund their venture going forward.
Expect no signings or indeed any clarity until and unless we secure substantial investment. The problem with that however, is the ongoing uncertainties around the financial probity of the club. Ask yourself..Would you buy a used car from these two?

It is I think, going to be a torrid summer.

Ian Riley
131 Posted 29/05/2023 at 21:42:16
Dyche must stay. It may be loans and 2 signings only in the summer. Another fight ahead of us. Really, is there a better manager for the challenge ahead? We are not top 4 or 6 material yet or close. Those wanting dyche out. Reality over expectations has been our problem since money arrived. Those days are gone. This is a slow build.

Dyche is straight talking, honest and realistic. Not everyone's cup of tea but we need that now! Give the man a 3 year contract.

Tony Everan
132 Posted 29/05/2023 at 22:19:00
A decent article in the Guardian by Andy Hunter worth a read.
Mike Price
133 Posted 29/05/2023 at 22:48:40
If Iwobi is given a fat new contract we’ve learned nothing. He has to be shipped out and Mykolenko is a disaster, so if we could somehow unload those two, that would be a good start.
Ray Jacques
134 Posted 29/05/2023 at 22:59:40
Dyche must stay, he has deserved it. He is the only steady hand at the helm of the club.
Any word from the cretins who supposedly run it? Of course not, couldnt even be arsed to show up and support the manager, team or fans. Imagine trying to do your job in that environment.
Oh and my Burnley supporting mates still love him, so give the guy a shot at it next season.
As Hooper said to Brody in Jaws, "when I leave tomorrow you will be the only sane man on the island. " Dyche is the only sane man in authority at Everton, Kenwright is the stupid mayor who wants the beaches open!
Neil Carter
135 Posted 29/05/2023 at 23:00:12

Apologies-absolutely right. It was badly phrased grouping of my words. No issue with foreign managers-Ancelotti having a longer stay could have led to higher standards and maybe silverware.

The others were fuckwits-one dimensional, stubborn, full of post match bullshit and in the case of our Dutch boss so up his arse with self importance.

It’s the honesty I want -confront the reality and do your open and honest best to deal with the problems . Would prefer a manager to be open about whether he gets backing and walk away if he doesn’t giving a board behaving like ours has in recent years a clear understanding of what they need to do. Too many past manager’s have loved the pay off over doing the job well-partly why we are in this position now.

Colin Glassar
136 Posted 29/05/2023 at 23:11:45
Still too emotionally drained to comment in depth. I’m not a Dyche fan but he probably deserves a chance next season to see if he can do something with this dysfunctional club.

The players I’d like to keep would be Pickford, Tarkowski, Patterson, Gueye, Garner and DCL (if fit) and McNeil. The rest I’d put up for auction.

I can’t believe this so-called board haven’t tendered their resignation yet. Absolutely shameless

David Hallwood
137 Posted 29/05/2023 at 23:21:17
All the comments so far have been of the 'Dyche will do this', but do we know who's in charge of recruitment? It should be the DoF, but in the murky non communicative morass that is Everton football club, zero information gets passed on to the fans.

If it is the DoF, I have no confidence in he/it/them addressing any of the glaring deficiencies in the squad. This is the same person/people who were aware of DCL fragile fitness at the start of the season, yet couldn't identify a backup in the whole of world football; couldn't even sort out a loan deal.

They did however identify Neil Maupay by using all the stats, metrics and data they use these days, as a similar type of player as DCL!

So I'm expecting our usual Bargain Hunt transfer window. To those of you unfamiliar with the long running TV series; two teams are given cash to buy antiques and they usually start out carefully considering the purchases, then in the last 5 minutes run round buying any old shite.

If it is same old, same old, I won't be calling for the board to be sacked, I be calling for the DoF to be publicly executed.

Colin Malone
138 Posted 29/05/2023 at 23:43:06
Bill Kenwright lives and breathes Everton till the day he dies. Instead of being ruthless, he put the biggest arse lickers, in their positions. Our academy was run by a no better than a Sunday league manager, with no one coming through for seven years. Denise Barrett- Baxendale from Everton in the community to a director of the football club. OMG.
Any buyers of Everton football club, were put with a proviso that Bill had to be chairman. Allergy that put off the Citeh owners.
Thats where Moshiri agreed to do. An accountant without any football knowledge whatsoever, who lost all his millions.
Mike Gaynes
139 Posted 29/05/2023 at 00:01:20
Robert #128, sorry to hear that. Don't know anything about the others, but my brief glimpses of the teenager Mills got me pretty excited.
Neil Carter
140 Posted 30/05/2023 at 00:07:24
Colin-Moshiri is a billionaire accountant-I seriously doubt he has lost millions of his own money-I think the source of that dried up a year last February.
Pete Clarke
141 Posted 30/05/2023 at 00:25:07
Alan at #130
You said most of what I was about to write.
There is a huge disconnect between the manager, board and the owner. This is leading to the chaos between all parties and the club can’t function properly. This would even go down to the daily running of Finch Farm which fills the air with uncertainty.
Dyche definitely put his own job on the line without naming people and it hopefully helps push through some important decisions this week. It has to be now.
On Dyche keeping us up, I think he had a right mixed bag of results and performances which echoed the chaos at the club. Having said that he definitely got them battling and working harder.
How frustrating must it be when you have players like Doucouré, who can fight, tackle and is now scoring goals but yet can’t pass a ball 5 yards. Ditto Geuye who is the same but never scores. Iwobi can play a bit of football but is half hearted in almost everything he tries. Gray is a fine player but does not have the physical strength to mix it up in the battles we’ve been in. Throw in all of the injuries and it’s amazing we didn’t finish bottom of the table so for me we need to have a period of stability with Dyche at the helm.
Let’s hope we get news very soon that Billy Liar and his cronies have left the club and we can all take a deep breath and finally look towards a brighter future.
Kieran Kinsella
142 Posted 30/05/2023 at 00:26:31
Derek Knox

I was watching The Succession finale last night with your Tayside compatriot Brian Cox. Poor bloke had three kids who were all Kenwright wannabees. Luckily the board were smart enough to ditch all three.

On Colin’s point about Iwobi and the proposed 100k a week. Can you imagine if he was homegrown and call Dowell, Osman or Barkley would anyone even be entertaining such a contact? He’s never going to be a top six starter so why would we pay him top six wages for doing less than Ross, a little more than Dowell and far far less than Osman? If anyone wants him sell him, if no one wants him why are we offering him top dollar? We are already paying Holgate and Tom 50k a week for consistently proving they’re no better than Pennington. This is the madness that has to stop. Just like that crap goalie we got on a free from Huddersfieid then paid him 50k a week to sit on the bench. We keep hearing about the history, the great fans, the new stadium et al. So use all that as a bargaining point. You got to Palace and their stadium with a rotting corrugated roof and earn x amount or you come here and have the Everton experience but earn 5 or 10k less. Presently, we do the opposite and say we will pay you Arsenal wages for doing a Watford job.

George Stuart
143 Posted 30/05/2023 at 01:05:55
Simon Jones [51].
Interesting to note your call for a 8 - 9 goal striker.
I happened to thing Gordon had another 3 - 5 goals in him this season after January.
That could have translated into 2 - 5 points. A huge margin in current Everton terms(that's a joke).
So we let him go.
Catastrophic error that nearly f@!ked up 70 years of excellence. But, as Sean noted, a systematic error.
George Stuart
144 Posted 30/05/2023 at 01:22:49
I used to play a game seasons ago wondering about the best strikers in teams just missing out on promotion.
It looks a bit like this this year:

Akpom Middlesbrough
Goals 28
Assists 2
Passes 40
MPG 182(Metres per game?)

Viktor Gyökeres Coventry City
Goals 21
Assists 12
Passes 49
MPG 206

Morris Luton
Goals 20
Assists 7
Passes 47
MPG 184

Joël Piroe Swansea City
Goals 19
Assists 2
Passes 43
MPG 200

Coventry and Luton play in the play off at Wembly.
Good in the championship dosn't automatically translate into good in the Premiership I know. But stats worthy of pride for each of these lads.

I wonder though if we might be out bid by bigger clubs like Brentford or Bournemouth ?

Mike Gaynes
145 Posted 30/05/2023 at 02:10:57
George #143, beg to strongly differ. I don't think Gordon scores a single goal more this season than whoever he would have replaced in the lineup. In fact, given his vaunted inability to strike a ball, I would say less.

If he's the one galloping through the middle with the ball at his feet in minute 90 against Spurs, there's no way he scores the goal Keane did to get us that crucial point. He couldn't have hit that shot.

If it's Gordon slicing through the middle against Fulham instead of McNeil, we're still trailing at halftime.

And if it's Gordon that the ball falls to yesterday instead of Doucoure, we're in the Championship next season -- because there's no way in the world Gordon hits that volley.

I think the admittedly unfit Gordon makes the same impact for us from January to May that he did for Newcastle -- zero -- and I think getting £45 million for him when we did was an absolute coup, the best piece of business imaginable in a season where we did very little good business.

Kieran Kinsella
146 Posted 30/05/2023 at 02:17:43

Mate I used to do the same. As a kid such stats compelled me to write to Howard Kendall and suggest we sign Tony Philliskirk. Kendall weirdly replied by sending me an unsigned picture of Kevin Ratcliffe but I think the gist was “no.” But yeah Akpom seems a talent. Not sure if he’s related to our old boy Hope Akpom. On Gordon though I have to agree with Mike. Great pace, lots of guts but Gordon can’t finish unfortunately.

Mike Gaynes
147 Posted 30/05/2023 at 02:31:58
Kieran, since Hope's last name is Akpan, I think there's probably no family connection.

BTW Akpan is now at non-league Widnes.

Pat Kelly
148 Posted 30/05/2023 at 02:34:07
Dycheland uber alles ! He's pitching for the chance to manage us into a new future. He's earned the chance.
Kieran Kinsella
149 Posted 30/05/2023 at 03:28:43

You forget I’m of Irish stock so spelling is variable. We have my great Grabdfather variously reported as Mainwaring, Mannering, Manwarren, and Manwern. So a mere n versus an M is simply a matter of one Guinness too many.

Derek Knox
150 Posted 30/05/2023 at 03:45:30
Kieran, I wasn't aware you knew Brian Cox ! :-)
Kieran Kinsella
151 Posted 30/05/2023 at 03:47:54

You know me I’m like the ToffeeWeb Kenwright lol

Lester Yip
152 Posted 30/05/2023 at 04:46:34
Found this interesting read about Dyche's Burnley.


Very similar to Moyes to be honest. Had an eye for good defenders and able to coach them better. But attacking end is quite hit and miss. With his style of play, we had best GK (Pickford in long pass accuracy) and best striker combo (DCL if fit; mobile and winning aerial duel). By looking at his Burnley's team back then, I feel that our midfielders in our disposal is better. Lowton, Westwood vs Gueye, Doucoure?

So with a couple of sensible purchases/loans (surely Chelsea must have some players need to be farmed out?), we should be ok under Dyche.

Phillip Warrington
153 Posted 30/05/2023 at 05:48:23
Does anybody know of any other players beside Mina who will be out of contract and leaving
Paul Hewitt
154 Posted 30/05/2023 at 06:00:37
If MSP do buy a stake in the club, don't be surprised to see Jesse marcsh as manager.
Tony Abrahams
155 Posted 30/05/2023 at 07:59:16
Colin@138, I obviously don’t agree with a lot of your post mate, especially the bit about Kenwright not being ruthless, but one of the reasons why Everton have not brought any young players through for seven years (except for the £45 million we received for Anthony Gordon) must be because most managers have not stayed long enough to even consider playing anyone from the under 21 team, imo?

The reset of Everton cannot come quick enough, and how the owner or any members of the board have not attended even one match at Goodison, since Dyche became manager, is both disgraceful and absolutely shameless, even if they haven’t been missed.

Brian Harrison
157 Posted 30/05/2023 at 10:13:10
Nearly 2 days since our last game where the crowd let the owner and the board know there was no way back for them, and yet nothing from the owner as to what happens next. The only thing being reported is DBB sent a letter to the staff thanking them for their efforts over the season.

I now fear that this board and owner will still be in situ come the start of next season, unless Moshiri sells the whole club to MSP which seems unlikely. I would have thought that this board would have stood down en block after the game finished. But I now think they have got our season ticket money for next season so they don't need to do anything. I think if the owner and board are still in place at the start of next season then the atmosphere at Goodison could turn into what St James Park turned into when Ashley refused to sell that club. I don't think the supporters will be prepared to do what they have this season and leave the protests outside the ground, I fear every game would just increase the protests and that would kill any chance that Sean Dyche would have to rebuild this club.

Neil Carter
158 Posted 30/05/2023 at 10:56:31
Mike 145-totally agree with you about Gordon-he had pace but totally lacked composure and time will prove the sale was a steal.
A Newcastle fan claimed he was going out on loan next season to improve him at some Saudi club-really?
Newcastle will recruit this summer and he will slip further down the selection order until he gets frustrated with the bench splinters in his arse-moves somewhere like Forest or Brentford-fails again and moves into the Championship.
Played about a dozen good games and helped keep us up 2021-22-we should remember him for that.
Watched too many players over the years to see he wasn’t ever developing into something special - it will be remember Anthony Gordon? He’ll be in the Stuart Barlow/Frannie Jeffers/Ross Barkley Club
Paul Hewitt
159 Posted 30/05/2023 at 11:05:04
Brian apparently there will be no board room resignations till the MSP deal is sorted.
Jerome Shields
160 Posted 30/05/2023 at 11:11:48
Kim #116,

I see where you are correctly coming from. But I was using the other stats to justify my arguement of wholesale change and the necessity to act now.

Colin Malone
161 Posted 30/05/2023 at 14:13:06
Us, the fans don't come out of this blameless. As soon as we got investment, we wanted trophies straight away. Hence why the number of managers going out the Goodison swinging door. Most of the fans, including me wanted Koeman out, we wanted Silva out, we wanted Martinez out.
Dyche has some bollocks, but the Everton hierarchy won't like him hanging out our dirty washing for public the public to see.
Well said Dyche.
Dan Nulty
162 Posted 30/05/2023 at 15:04:53
I was having a read about our finances, I can't see how we will afford to buy anyone this summer without selling first.

However, does anyone know why we are getting hammered for being over the 105m consecutive loss FFP rule when Spurs' last 3 accounts show consecutive losses of 208m and they are fine? I know we were over 300m but still, a rule is a rule isn't it? Presumably more complicated than just adding up the P & L accounts for the last 3 years?

Tony Abrahams
163 Posted 30/05/2023 at 15:31:09
If this is true Paul@159 then it just proves that every single paid member of the Everton board, loves money a lot more than they love Everton Football Club.

Do you think it’s just the players asked Brands? Sean Dyche has given the clearest indication that it definitely wasn’t Marcel, with this being just one example of the poisonous nepotism, that exists right throughout the club.

Now Everton are safe - hopefully Moshiri might be able to sell lock-stock and barrel

Jay Harris
164 Posted 30/05/2023 at 15:51:56
Colin #138
"Bill Kenwright lives and breathes Everton till the day he dies."

Is that why he made millions out of the club and never put a penny back in and why he invented a cock and bull story to alienate the fans before a really important game and then have Evertons security staff issue a statement that the board would be in danger if they attended Goodison.

If hes that great an Evertonian why hasnt he congratulated the manager and the team.

He has proven himself time and again to be the biggest conman in the history of the club and I am sad that you fall for it.

Iain Johnston
165 Posted 30/05/2023 at 16:29:45
George #144, If you look at Neil Maupay's goalscoring in the Championship, you'd realise how far apart both leagues are.

He scored 41 goals in 95 games for Brentford with 14 assists. He even won the EFL pPlayer of the Year award.

For Brighton & Everton he's only managed 28 goals in 138 games plus a grand total of 8 assists.

Kim Vivian
166 Posted 30/05/2023 at 16:32:44
Apparently according to whom, Paul?

I have been looking and can't find anything other than speculation (and hope) around our board. Nothing concrete.

Rob Dolby
167 Posted 30/05/2023 at 16:44:20
Colin @161. The fans are totally blameless. Other than support for the club, we have no power whatsoever.

Benitez was the only one I recall people chanting out. If the fans had any power, he wouldn't have been anywhere near the club in the first place.

Moshiri has been hiring and firing – not the fans.

Kieran Kinsella
168 Posted 30/05/2023 at 16:56:18

What kind of second-rate crooks pay for illegal streams when you can get them free?

Jim Lloyd
169 Posted 30/05/2023 at 16:56:54
A lot chanted for Allardyce to get out as well, Rob, and there was a section calling for Martinez and also Silva to go; but you're right.

Moshiri has been doing the hiring, maybe with Kenwright, maybe not; but certainly we haven't been doing the hiring and firing.

We have, though, supported this club to full houses every match and our away supporters have been tremendous in watching the demise of our football but still filling our allocation through it all.

I also agree with you about Colin (@138) that Kenwright lives and breathes Everton. He may well do, but so do many thousands of Evertonians. The difference is, he is a conniving, self-seeking prick who has dragged Everton Football Club to the edge of destruction during his tenure as Chairman.

Nick Page
170 Posted 30/05/2023 at 16:59:57
Did someone actually write, “Bill Kenwright lives and breathes Everton till the day he dies”?

Aaaahahahahahahahahahaha - that must be a joke, surely?

Bill Kenwright isn't even an Evertonian. I challenge anyone to change my mind on that. He never went in the Boys Pen. He was more than likely a Liverpool fan and certainly that was the rumour (George Best wasn't it?).

Bill Kenwright is a failed actor and a theatre impresario who saw the opportunity to hijack a football club in the city where he was born (probably a lie too) so that he could live out his dreams wallowing in the limelight of the Premier League stage.

He has systematically dismantled this institution quite simply so that he could maintain control. He is the worst thing that has ever happened to EFC. Worse than Heysel, worse than any World War. Worse.

He's a parasite. He should be scrubbed from every part of this football club's history immediately and consigned to an obligatory footnote that reads, “Once there was a man who thought he was bigger than EFC. He wasn't.”

Brent Stephens
171 Posted 30/05/2023 at 17:02:15
Kieran, probably the naive, who think it makes it all legal!

I've stopped my standing order!

Pete Neilson
172 Posted 30/05/2023 at 17:02:29
Brian (157),

I'm taking the silence from the board as a positive thing. Fingers crossed a change is imminent with the MSP deal. Their relationship with supporters is beyond repair; as detached as Moshiri is, surely even he knows this?

I'd have taken an announcement from them on our staying up as a sign that they were digging in. Mind you, as they no longer go the game, maybe they don't even know the season is over.

Jim Lloyd
173 Posted 30/05/2023 at 18:14:32
Brian (157),

I don't know (certainly hope not!) about them all being in place come next season. My guess is they blew their bridges up when they crept out and stayed out and left us, the supporters, to help the team alone (and a great job we made of it) – and a special thanks to our away supporters to!

I think they waited to see how we got on against Bournemouth and are now planning what options are available to them. Kenwright, Barrett-Baxendale and maybe Sharp as well now, will know they will never be welcome back to Goodison Park.

Moshiri ought to know they won't be welcome and, if he wants to see any harmony in this club, they will have to go. I think it's likely he's waiting to see the outcome of the MSP Capital investment. If they do, then he will have backing to shift Kenwright and Barrett-Baxendale.

Surely we can't have an absentee Chairman and absentee CEO, no further Shareholders meetings and our owner hoping that somehow, our club will rise from the ashes with them not attending any future meetings? Mind you...!

ps: Nick, agree with every word.

John Belshaw
174 Posted 30/05/2023 at 21:05:20
Sean Dyche is aware of the massive rebuild required at Everton. However, the poor guy is likely to have both hands tied behind his back.

The ineffectual board, as currently constituted, will not help Dyche as they are intent on selling not buying players due to the club's financial crisis.

The World's Greatest Showman, Bill Kenwright and charity worker, Denise Barrett-Baxendale are justifiably criticised.

However, what has the Director of Football, Kevin Thelwell, achieved since arrival? He apparently drew up a 120 point plan to rejuvenate Everton. Well that worked – not! And was he not also involved in the Arnaut Danjuma signing debacle?

I question whether Thelwell ever had any of the Richarlison and Anthony Gordon money to sign anyone in the January window? Is he too merely a front for the board?

Moreover, was it not Thelwell who signed the hapless Neil Maupay as the direct replacement for Richarlison last summer? Enough said!

Mike Doyle
175 Posted 30/05/2023 at 21:15:59
John #174] Like you Alan Stubbs was saying yesterday that he’d certainly like to hear from Kevin Thelwell - presumably on what, if any, plan exists.
As things stand I’m bracing myself for
1] most of the out of contract players going
2] at least one of our saleable players going
3] a few free transfers coming in
Any investment from the likes of Blythe or MSP will be destined for the stadium not squad development.
I’m expecting Paul the Esk to summarise the likely scenarios for us in his next podcast.
John Belshaw
176 Posted 30/05/2023 at 21:28:15
[Mike #175] This Shakespearean quote comes to mind, “Oh, what a tangled web they [we] weave, when first they [we] practice to deceive!"
John Belshaw
177 Posted 30/05/2023 at 21:42:57
Sorry…. Mike #174!
George Stuart
178 Posted 31/05/2023 at 03:52:48
Iain Johnston @165.

Yeah, I'm aware of the gap. It's just a little game I play. It's just that I dream of an 8-goal-a-season striker. If only.

Anthony Gordon? Don't misunderstand me – I don't think he's a good player. It's just I thought he'd score five goals in the second half of the season. The £40 Million was a complete steal.

Viewed through another lens, his single goals secured us a point against Brentford and, tellingly, Leeds. As important as Mina's 99th-minute goal?

Did Anthony Gordon save Everton Football Club?

It's a tease. Don't go off on one please. ;^)

Jim Lloyd
179 Posted 01/06/2023 at 13:20:38
Stephen Davies
180 Posted 01/06/2023 at 13:25:40
I think we're looking at this guy.
Jim Lloyd
181 Posted 01/06/2023 at 13:50:02
I don't think we'll be spending much until, and if, we have any money left after the investigation is over. We get around £110 million from the Prem; but when we get it, and will those funds be frozen until all the inquiry is over, who knows?

I like Coady, but only as a sub or in case of injuries; but £4.5 million plus wages, its maybe better to let him go. And that's the way we have to look at it, I think.

Can we get money for Keane or Godfrey, keep one, sell the other? and keep Branthwaite. Could we sell Onana and keep Townsend, if he's over his injury? A decision has got to be made over CL and I suppose it depends on the Medics.

There's one thing massively in our favour, I think. That's because we have Sean Dyche as our Manager. With the years he's spent with little money and searching for talent, especially in the lower divisions, but also in the Prem', I feel more comfortable about him picking talent, bought, on loan, and end of contract players with what little funds are avaiable.

Apart from Branthwaite, I think it's a matter of who can we sell, send out on loan Give away if we can, with the others he and Thelwell don't think cut the mustard.

That's me being positive! I don't want to think of what punishments we might get if things don't go well for the club!

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