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Everton 'ready' to end Lampard's tenure

| 23/01/2023 195comments  |  Jump to last

Everton are expected to announce the dismissal of Frank Lampard as manager today based on reports in the Daily Mail and The Times that the former Chelsea boss's future has been under discussion by the Blues' Board of Directors.

Paul Joyce of the latter publication reported that a list of candidates was being drawn up in the event Lampard's one-year reign was ended while Dominic King suggests in today's Mail that the club are now ready to let him go and appoint someone new to help save Everton from relegation this season.

The report claims that the 44-year-old spoke with Farhad Moshiri, Bill Kenwright and Kevin Thelwell after the defeat to West Ham and "has accepted things will change" in the managerial hotseat.

Everton's players will not be at Finch Farm today but are due to return on Tuesday afternoon to begin preparations for the visit of high-flying Arsenal on 4 February, with Leighton Baines and Paul Tait possible options to oversee training while a new manager is sought. 

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Sean Dyche, the bookies' leading candidate to replace Lampard, is not, according to King, among the options the Board is looking at while Nuno Espirito Santo, interviewed by the Blues in 2021 and known well by Director of Football, Thelwell, from his Wolves days, is currently employed by Al-Ittihad in Saudi Arabia with a £7m release clause.

Dyche has been out of work since being sacked by Burnley last year and has been mentioned in terms of the Everton job because of his reputation for solid, defensive football and powers of motivation.

However, it would seem that, if King is correct, Thelwell has been putting forth other candidates.


Original Source: Daily Mail  

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Gavin Johnson
1 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:08:30
Good. Nice bloke who unlike some of the other incumbents, got the club and fans. Talks a good game but the football is dire and he seems lost now. I think a new manager can do better with these players.
Colin Glassar
2 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:13:10
Yeah, it’s not looking good for Frank. Nice fella but not a premier league manager. It will take a miracle to survive with this board and these players so bring on the clowns. Let’s see who the next victim is. Whoever he is he won’t last long.
Will Mabon
3 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:22:11
Dated 23/1 - someone can see the future.
David Vaughan
4 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:22:20
Change? Good, clearly needed, starting (but not finishing) with the one directly tasked with our on-field performance. His replacement? Now I'm worrying. Concerned that Thelwell won't be able to resist his innate desire to appoint/recommend a creative boss, one with 'total football' in mind, when what we need right now is steel and resilience. Ergo, and with our DoF's Wolves connections, I'm wondering if he might go after the Wanderer's former boss - and previous Moshiri favourite - Nuno Espirito Santo. Any takers on here?
Paul Hewitt
5 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:29:57
Apparently Dyche isn't being considered. Looks like Nuno to me. Welcome to the championship then.
Kieran Kinsella
6 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:30:10
So we are looking at manager number number 8 for Holgate and Davies, nine for Coleman, 7 for Pickford and Keane. Even Docoure is up to five. Wonder if any of them feel they could have performed better?
Jay Harris
7 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:30:52
A few months too late.

Frank is a really nice guy and speaks well but the team cant defend, cant score goals, cant take corners or free kicks properly so there was only one solution which was obvious at the end of last season.

We have the most cowardly and indecisive board in the league lets hope they are next.

Kevin Molloy
8 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:32:26
I'm taking the ruling out of Dyche as a very bad sign. It does annoy me the way we bang on about BK all the time, but he really did screw the club up when he sold to Moshiri. A 24/7 search for the right owners ended at the door of incompetent Russian gangsters. Gobshite.
Will Mabon
9 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:32:30

such is our predicament, I honestly now wouldn't have a clue as to who would/should be the new manager to best effect, if it comes to it. Purely gut instinct though - not Nuno Espirito Santo.

Gavin Johnson
10 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:41:24
Isn't Nuno in a job in Saudi Arabia or somewhere? Not sure we'd pay compo to get him as a manager. I don't think we'd even pay West Ham to get Moyes. I think it will be someone out of work... So a Dyche, or Dunc perhaps, rather than a Tuchel or Poch unfortunately.

Kieran Kinsella
11 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:44:26
In my day replacing a sacked manager was easy. You just asked Howard to come back again and again
Colin Glassar
12 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:47:30
So it’s not Dyche. Deffo not Sam. Could it be Nuno and his huggers? I hope not but beggars can’t be choosers. It’ll probably be Duncan and Unsy.
Peter Carpenter
13 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:52:40
Are there pictures of former managers on a wall somewhere, like the former PMs in Downing Street?
They're going to need a bigger wall.
Kieran Kinsella
14 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:54:49
Vinagre as player manager? Jose Baxter? I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they brought Mike Walker back. Death should preclude Billy Binghams return though Bill could set up Mystic Meg to relay instructions.
Joshua Steadman
15 Posted 22/01/2023 at 23:59:52
Juvenile but I will believe it when I see it. I think he will keep his job. It would be nice if transfers over the summer had anything to do with Thelwell because if he was partly responsible for the garbage bought he too should be handed his p45.
As for Dyche not being considered, really worrying. The type of manager we need. Fortunately Nuno has 7 or 8 million compo clause so cannot see the board being that desperate to get him. Could well be Duncan.
Paul Kossoff
16 Posted 22/01/2023 at 00:06:23
Look lads, who ever we get just pray to God that it's not slippy fkg G and his old red shite pals, can you imagine him with Beneathus as dof! Coyb.👮
Jerome Shields
17 Posted 22/01/2023 at 00:11:17
Mainly because of detailed information being posted on ToffeeWeb, I could see why Dyche was the best option. But now I read that he is not being considered.

Even worse I am not surprised, since Thewell can't select a good player, Kenwright selected Koeman and Moshiri selected five of our ex-managers. They really do not have a clue.

They really need Dyche with his no-nonsense approach to give Everton's poor squad direction. All the rest certainly are a pussy footing about approach to Everton's urgent situation.

No wonder we all want the Board sacked, we know how incompetent they are, even when a solution is right under their noses.

Joe Corgan
18 Posted 23/01/2023 at 00:15:42
Frank is not the beginning or end of our problems. And it’ll be a shame for all concerned that it didn’t work out. Perhaps under other circumstances he could have done a job.

Sad fact is, without a change, we are going down. His record since taking charge shows that and there’s no indication whatsoever that he could turn it around.

With a new manager, we will still probably go down - but it’s worth a shot. Nothing to lose, basically.

Paul Kernot
19 Posted 23/01/2023 at 00:43:54
Train number one has gone, train number two has gone, train number three has been gone, how long must I wait for you? –Joe Jackson lyrics. Very apt here.

It's already too late for a new manager to save us, however good they are. Silk purse – sow's ear. Yes, we'll eventually replace yet another manager, then we'll have Baines & Co in temporary charge while we waste another couple of weeks. Unbelievable.

Tony Byrne
20 Posted 23/01/2023 at 01:11:17
If true,

It's sad that it hasn't worked out for Frank, though we need to act now.

Dyche seems obvious to most of us in the predicament we are in, the fans won't get a say in the next choice of manager, we chose the last six, according to our deluded owner.

De Santo surely is a no no with a seven million pound buy out clause, allegedly, though with this lot in charge, it would not surprise me at all if the madman went for him, I'll never forget his forlorn figure on the spurs touchline, before he was sacked.

Rumours that US minority investors being sort to fund the rest of the new stadium.

How bad has our club sunk, sad times.

Robert Tressell
21 Posted 23/01/2023 at 01:15:08
Dyche is the obvious choice to try to scrape us to safety. But possibly not the guy to remodel us and get us promoted from the Championship.

Unfortunately, I think they are looking at it from that perspective. However, if they can rebuild us the way Wolves have rebuilt (and with our status as a much bigger club than Wolves), that could conceivably be good longer term.

Dale Self
22 Posted 23/01/2023 at 01:24:38
If we’re looking to hedge our bet choosing for a manger who might get survival but definitely could get us back up I would get Wilder.
Larry O'Hara
23 Posted 23/01/2023 at 01:38:34
Wilder an interesting choice.
Callum Jones
24 Posted 23/01/2023 at 02:07:20
Gutted to see Frank go. The players are to blame however, none of them can follow simple instructions and are mentally weak. Time to stop blaming managers.
Kieran Kinsella
25 Posted 23/01/2023 at 02:16:33

It's an interesting point. Law in the Telegraph is saying Lampard didn't give them enough tactical instructions. Koeman claimed his problems were the players couldn't understand tactics. Players complained Martinez did too much ball work, Moyes not enough, Sam was too obsessed with stats, Silva found they couldn't grasp zonal marking, Frank said they had no bollocks, Carlo felt they couldn't play good football and so on.

But some of these same numb skulls who don't like running up sand hills, ball work, stats, tactics, lack of tactics, and have no bollocks are still here as another manager falls on his sword.

Kieran Kinsella
26 Posted 23/01/2023 at 02:24:38
I wonder about this Thelwell character. No playing career of note, coaching mainly involves youth, a spell at Wolves where transfers were dictated by Jorge Mendes, a simplistic sounding book, and a brief spell in New York.

With his standing and low profile, is Kevin the type who'd want to hire somebody older than himself, with a bigger reputation and big personality like Dyche or Wilder? Or is he another Brands who'd prefer a meek novice?

I really knew nothing about him before he joined us and have learnt little since. I'm hoping he's some kind of Svengali pioneering genius who will pluck some obscure nobody on the cheap from the Faroes Isles league who turns out to be Alex Ferguson and Pep rolled into one.

But given we know little about him, and that he was hired by Bill, I fear his shortlist may extend to Rooney, Dunc, James Beattie, maybe even Michael Appleton. But we will see.

Jim Bennings
27 Posted 23/01/2023 at 05:48:25
Isn't Nuno also known for rather defensive-minded football though?

I honestly don't see that many glaringly obvious candidates that scream out at me.

Those who call for Dunc or Rooney would want their heads testing, just be more of what we seen under Frank last year, fist-pumping for a few games that would wear off after a few months.

Jerome Shields
28 Posted 23/01/2023 at 06:34:32
Kieran #26

I have concerns about Thelwell, his 26 new positions and his 120-point plan. The latter was discussed with FAB under a confidentiality agreement.

Though the manager may have put forward what was required in transfers, Thelwell seems to have had responsibility in deciding, under the guise of constraints and of course with interference from other parties, what positions had adequate cover and what players were selected for positions that weren't.

I have also concerns about initial reports regarding the selection criteria for the new manager and who may be involved in that. I am in agreement with many views and reports that Frank Lampard was not the main problem that resulted in Everton's current Premier League position.

I have zero confidence now that there will be an improvement going forward and desperately hope that I am proved wrong in my assumptions.

Gary Johnson
29 Posted 23/01/2023 at 06:42:40
I wouldn't be upset with Nuno, tbh. Whilst I think he's less likely to save us this year than Dyche, I do think he'd be one of the most likely to get us straight back up next year.

However, if we are going to pay £7M to get him, surely it'd be better to put that in a pot and go to Tuchel or Pochettino and say simply “Give us 6 months; if you rescue us, that £7M is yours, and if you don't, you can walk away in summer.”

Never know, if they pulled it off, they may fall in love…..

Laurie Hartley
30 Posted 23/01/2023 at 06:53:46
The right manager can turn this around. It has to be someone the players believe has the know-how to do that – therefore a big personality required, in my opinion.

Are they still sitting on their hands?

Daniel A Johnson
31 Posted 23/01/2023 at 06:57:43
Thelwell doesn’t want Dyche as he would probably call the weasel out for spouting bolllocks. He wants a yes man and if the ex wolves manager Nuno couldn’t get a tune out of Kane and Son at Spurs then good luck with DCL and Maupay.

Jesus Christ we are led by morons. Given Dyche has got Burnley promoted and also into Europe can’t they see he covers all bases for us both best and worse case.

Dyche is a big personality he could galvanise us.

Paul Hewitt
32 Posted 23/01/2023 at 07:02:49
We need to get this appointment right, this is our last chance of staying up. For me it's got to be Dyche, but knowing this board it won't be.
Gary Johnson
33 Posted 23/01/2023 at 07:03:00
….or how much compo would Celtic need?
Danny Baily
34 Posted 23/01/2023 at 07:13:46
I've posted a few times now to say that a new manager cannot turn this around. We would need to have made the appointment ahead of the Southampton match at the very latest to stand any chance of avoiding the drop.

When it comes to the next manager, I'd be happy with an interim appointment if the right man to lead us back to the top table isn't available at the moment.

Dyche is the obvious candidate for a longer term appointment. But I'd like to see us think outside the box. Danny Cowley would be a cheap option on a short term deal. Could turn out to be a Moyes like appointment.

Get this appointment right and we'll be back in this league before we know it. Pick another Lampard and we could end up like Sheffield Wednesday.

Sean Roe
35 Posted 23/01/2023 at 07:46:25
Dyche all day long for me. Sack Thelwell, sell Pickford, Gordon,Mina, Keane, Doucoure, DCL in this window. Send Coady back to Wolves if that is an option. Bring Branthwaite back off loan if that is an option and prepare for life in the championship using the players that will be in that league with us next year for the remainder of the season.

Saying that I still believe Dyche gives us the best chance of pulling off a miracle.

Laurie Hartley
36 Posted 23/01/2023 at 07:46:33
Danny # 34 - and there was me allowing a glimmer of hope creep in. 🤕. Optimism based on the fact that we have to get 3 more points than Wolves, Bournemouth, and Southampton from the next 54 available to all four of us.
Colin Glassar
37 Posted 23/01/2023 at 07:52:56
Is Frank still on the brink? Get Zizou in before he goes to PSG or France!

Hilarious but true. Our piss poor players have been given the day off today. Poor souls, they must be knackered or suffering from PTSD.

Martin Lucas
38 Posted 23/01/2023 at 07:56:44
Lee Carsley for the rest of the season? Come in and actually coach / improve the players. He knows the club (I know, I know) and has done well at Under 21’s. Ashley Cole could even stay on for a little continuity as assistant?
Colin Glassar
39 Posted 23/01/2023 at 07:58:37
Sounds like it could be Bainsey and Tait until the end of the season. Preparing for the drop methinks
Gary Johnson
40 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:15:55
Colin - if Baines and Tait give the likes of Mills, Simms, Samuels-Smith, Welsh, Price, Johns etc a real chance to compete with the perpetually misfiring McNeil, Maupay, Mykolenko, Coady, Gana, Iwobi, Coleman’s, etc. it’d be a good thing not only for our future, but for right now too.
Jim Bennings
41 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:18:56
Without a doubt the board should have already had discussions over planning for life in the Championship.

However this is Everton Football Club and it's boardroom we are talking about, the club that couldn't plan a day trip to Rhyl.

Mal van Schaick
42 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:24:06
Dyche is being ruled out by Moshiri and the board. Allegedly.

I know the results and play are stacked up against Lampard, but we still have a transfer window open and a couple of decent players may assist our cause, with Lampard given a couple of more games.

This is real conundrum. A new manager effect and the player’s response, or letting Lampard go, when he may be able to turn it around. I know that he’s had his chance, but I am struggling to see another manager having the desired affect. Rooney would be my choice with big Dunc, if it has to change.

Paul Tran
43 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:24:08
It would cost relatively little to get Ange from Celtic, but I can't see him swapping Parkhead for this pantomime.

If I was having a bet, I'd say Ferguson is the value at 16/1, with the caveat that the market says 'permanent' manager', and he may get installed as caretaker.

Dyche is clear favourite and, for many of us, the obvious choice. On that basis, this Everton board won't consider him.

Maybe worth going on the exchange to lay him?

Craig Walker
44 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:33:54
We need a manager who can make us hard to beat, increase the work rate and kick the players up the arse. I think Sean Dyche is the manager we need. Nuno Espirito would be a worse appointment than if we had got Martinez. Renowned for defensive football and passing for passing's sake and he did that with better players at Wolves and Spurs than we currently have.

We've had it.

Tony Abrahams
45 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:34:23
Does any player refuse to take his astronomical wages, when he’s had a bad game, and could have tried much harder?

Do the players look like they are capable of taking on board what the manager is trying to get them to do? I thought they did for 20 minutes on Saturday, but the personnel, just didn’t suit the system.once again”

If a manager keeps changing his system, but rarely the players, would this fill his squad with confidence, especially because he rarely makes more than two substitutions, even though he his allowed to change five players now?

If the manager hasn’t lost the players, is it because the squad are on easy street? I ask this because I don’t think I see much desperation in many of our underperforming players.

Jerome Shields
46 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:36:49
When Lampard was appointed, I thought that he would make sure good football would be played and, if relegated, this good football basis would ensure promotion from the Championship.

Since then, it has become apparent that relegation would be a financial disaster because of the resulting fall in income and the no-nonsense standards of the Football League Profit and Sustainability rules implementation.

On top of that, we have a squad not capable of basic good football. There are also serious questions regarding the off-field management of Everton.

I think the current protests should continue and Frank Lampard should be viewed as a scapegoat, and wished well for the future. Hopefully this will result in changes in the people that are actually dealing with this situation.

Gary Johnson
47 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:38:13
Craig - we need to learn to score more than the opponent. That's it. Win 6-7 matches and we'll be safe. Martinez would have done that. Think you may be right on Nuno tho, it's 5-4-1 and Nick one under him too.

Dyche would go 4-4-2 and with Danjuma (or McNeil) and Gray (or Townsend) whipping them in we are another DCL short of a model that might work there. Maybe need better fullbacks too.

Iain Latchford
48 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:39:23
Lampard has been far from perfect, but I've no doubt if we'd kept Richarlison, or signed an adequate replacement, we'd have won another couple of games and he wouldn't be getting sacked. A decent man has been hung out to dry by this pathetic regime, and these players. Not for the first time.

We need someone who is going to bollock the whole lot of them to safety. Again, Dyche would be the man for me but it doesn't look a goer. I think they'll go for Nuno. That worries me as I don't think he'll have the fans onside from the start, which is essential to stand a chance of getting out of this.

Anthony Murphy
49 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:41:55
What we need to remember is that Lampard should never have been appointed - he was never good enough. The process in selecting Lampard in the first place underlines the failings of those who run the club.
Ajay Gopal
50 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:49:36
We need a good coach, a tactician, a motivator and a big personality. Bielsa ticks all the boxes for me, if he could be convinced to come here. I understand people calling for Sean Dyche, but Evertonians I believe need to set their sights higher.

Yes, Premier League survival is the most important issue now, but no need to get into panic mode. We don't have money to spend thanks to the Premier League's bizarre Profitability & Sustainability rules - which seems to favour the ensconced elite of English football - but I don't think we have a 'Bottom 3' squad of players.

Players like Calvert-Lewin, Maupay, Gordon, Gray, McNeil, Onana, Iwobi, Davies, Garner, Patterson, Mykolenko, Godfrey, Holgate, can all with proper coaching and working in a clear system become better players than what they are today.

Just look at what Arteta has achieved at Arsenal - of course over a period of time, which we don't have, and lots of money, which again we don't have. But a manager like Bielsa is used to working under such conditions, and he could make a fist of our relegation battle. In the worst case scenario, he would even be able to get us back quickly from the Championship having had experience with it.

I assume that Kevin Thelwell is charged with the responsibility of finding the replacement, I hope he has been busy in researching and discreetly talking to potential candidates around the world. We absolutely need to get this right.

Paul Cherrington
51 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:50:36
With the situation we are in, who might be free/would come and the type of manager needed to get a tune from our squad, I also think Dyche is probably the best option. Shame if he is already ruled out though.

Although I think we need someone with more experience as a manager in our situation, I would still love it if Big Dunc was the choice. Everton legend and deserves his shot at the top job after being assistant under various managers for a number of years. Top man and someone who would bring real passion with him, have the balls to make tough calls and not let the players slack off.

Hopefully he picked up some tips from Ancelotti and Sam on how to get this lot grinding results out too! If he is still friendly with Ancelotti, he might be able to get a few good loans out of Real Madrid for us in Jan as well.

I know not everyone will agree but I love Dunc and would be right behind him if he got it.

Andrew McLawrence
52 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:58:06
Just seen Norman Whiteside getting on a plane in Belfast. Just saying .
Bill Fairfield
53 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:58:41
Here we go again. It’s like Groundhog Day.
Phil Wood
54 Posted 23/01/2023 at 08:58:49
Frank is a lovely guy but we have to make a change in the "hope" that a change can create some kind of bounce.
It's not working and the players don't look motivated.
Odds are it may be too little too late but we are certainly down if we don't try someone different.
Steve Shave
55 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:12:50
I really don't know who I want, I like Frank but he has to go, he has been poor, the football poor and the team rudderless under him.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, we should have kept Silva! If I were Steve Ferns I'd have been back on here gloating about that, he backed him all the way. If we'd only replaced Zouma and Gana after that really good end to the season under him eh. I'd be a hypocrite to say I didn't want him to go at the end as well.

We cannot allow ourselves to go back to Allardyce, even if it means going down. We need a plan ala Burnley and Kompany, someone to bring us an identity. As much as I like Dyche and believe he would bring some stability and determination, he is not the future and I don't want to be rebuilding again.

Despite my current pessimism about all things Everton there is surely someone who can get a tune out of Iwobi, Gana, Garner and Onana et all. There are some solid defenders and a new attacker could breathe life into our limp dicked attack? Rooney and Dunc combo? What the fuck do I know? Nothing really, I'm as clueless as the rest of the chumps running the show but I'm not paid a small fortune to do it.

Colin Glassar
56 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:14:40
Riquelme has been contacted about the Everton job. This one has legs
David Vaughan
57 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:14:46
For what it’s worth (nothing) I’m not on the Sean Dyche bandwagon. Not for any great technical know-how on my part I just don’t see him a)keeping us up this season or b)going beyond the absolute basics of taking us forward as a team, unable to win, unable to lose. The Athletic (again) running an interesting story about Simeone coming to the end of his time at Atletico Madrid. Could we? Should we? He’d address many of the apparent player shortcomings highlighted above (laziness stupidity intransigence), would stand his own in the bearpit of mediocrity and idiocy that now defines the club hierarchy, and he has previous with the RS! AND he gets an attractive tune out of an uncultured fiddle. In short, doesn’t he offer the mix of steel and finesse we so desperately need? I’d pay his air fare (metaphorically)!
Finn Taylor
58 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:18:13
I would not be surprised if Frank wasn't given the push till after the Derby - if he gent's the push at all. I think he must be having an existential crisis - we are his third managerial job and let's face it, he has been a disaster. He is not up to it.

And when I hear Rooney mentioned and some others as possible replacements, on what merit should they be employed? They may give us a couple of games bounce, but when the going gets tough...

What a sorry state.

From the outside, it looks like we are disintegrating.

Frank Sheppard
59 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:22:27
We should be optimistic about there being half a season to go, and there being enough time to do the necessary. But such is the pessimism created by this squad having the lowest points total in our illustrious history after this many games, that if feels like we are facing an abject 2nd half of the season. Can’t see any prospect of any points, any time soon. So very depressing.
Michael Lynch
60 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:23:47
When I look at Marco Silva at Fulham, it suggests to me that it isn't really about being a good manager or a bad manager, just the right manager.

So who is the right manager for our club? We've tried so many, all of whom seem to have done well elsewhere either before or after managing us (or both), so right now the answer is: Fuck Knows, and we should appoint him immediately.

Martin Lucas
61 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:24:22
I'm not sure we should be writing off Sean Dyche, he's had some time off from football like Eddie Howe did after Bournemouth and he's improved massively imo.
Craig Walker
62 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:27:19
Everton need to set their sights higher?

Have you seen us play?

Comfortably the worst team in the league. Beaten by Wolves, Southampton, Leicester, Bournemouth (twice).

We were too good for Dyche in the 80s. Not now. We need to stop thinking we're better than we are. Ignore the so-called big 6. Our competition is the likes of Forest, Leeds, Bournemouth, Southampton etc. Even Brighton, Brentford and Fulham have surpassed us.

Fantastic and proud history. No future, whatsoever. We need to run the club from a pragmatic standpoint and stay in business.

Tony Abrahams
63 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:28:25
Anthony @49, and yet people still portray ‘the myth’ that it was Evertonians, who appointed Frank Lampard.

Another thing I’ve been reading is, who would want to play for Everton, just because a few stupid kids, made fools out of us all, because they couldn’t control their anger and desperation, quite possibly Bourne out of a love for Everton FC?

If the question was changed, and the players were asked, do they want to play for a rudderless club, where the board tell lies about certain incidents, whilst trying to turn the media against their own very passionate supporters, I could understand, but so many falsehoods have come from having a very incompetent board.

If I was a footballer, then I would definitely want to play for a football club, that has thousands of fans on the streets, hours before the game to welcome the team, even though the team is absolute pony, which might be a more accurate indication, if players are actually refusing to play for Everton.

Robert Williams
64 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:32:07
AMcL 52 I'd rather Norman Wisdom - at least he'd give us something to laugh about on the way down.
Darren Hind
65 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:32:55
I would be amazed if the club employed a former player at this stage. As Eddie pointed out on another thread. It would smack too much of sacrificial lamb.

There is a guy who has a history of great escapes, but he also has a history of being sacked for battling with his directors. even squaring up to them.

He would be a real horse for course, but I don't think Kenwright or Moshiri would dare put in the call to Bristol City

Matt Henderson
66 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:34:18
Big Dunc would be an appointment in the mould of the Bill Kenwright approach of appointing people to key positions in the Club purely because they once played for Everton. Duncan has not ever managed a team at any level (a few weeks as interim is not managing a team) and we think he’s the man to come in to this horrendous situation to save the day? On what basis can anyone think that’s good judgement - there’s no evidence at all to support that appointment? Just like our CEO and other appointments at our Club we’d be appointing someone that would not ever be appointed (or even be on a long list of potential candidates) by any other team in the division and possibly not even in the Championship……. Because they have had previous involvement for Everton once. Previous involvement with our Club should be a massive negative!

We need a proven performer at least and someone who has at least some experience managing a team.

Bill Griffiths
67 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:37:11
Like Steve(#55) I like Frank but agree that he has to go. On the face of things I guess we need a Dyche/Big Sam type of manager for the short term but not sure of the wisdom of that and haven't got a clue as to where we go from here really.
Glad it's not me having to make the decision. Also if we does go can we expect these hapless clowns in charge to make the right decision.
Personally I've come to think we should get someone like Steve Cooper/Thomas Frank/Neil Critchley and stock with them for 4 or 5 seasons. Even if we were to go down this season these guys are well versed at Championship level an d more likely to enable a quick return.
That's my view anyway.
Brian Harrison
68 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:41:26
To little to late, the change should have been made in October.
James Marshall
69 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:42:47
I don't think it's going to make a blind bit of difference who the manager is. This team is a mish-mash of players from about 8 different managers or DoF or whoever the fuck was doing the recruitment at any given time in the last 6 years, and they're mostly journeyman level players, or young-uns with a potentially bright future.

We lack cohesion as a team, some of them are thick as mince and can't seem to grasp basic concepts of the game once it starts (but he looks great in training!) and all of them are shot to pieces confidence-wise.

One thing that strikes me about Everton nowadays is that we keep bringing in managers trying to play the style of football played by the top teams, but we have players more suited to the style & ability of the bottom teams. As a result we play like a bottom team, attempting to play like a top team and get twatted every week.

Simplify things for the simpletons on on the pitch, who have limited ability and things will turn out differently. Playing the same formation week in, week out and expecting a different result, results in the same result. It's not rocket science, it's stubbornness. Manager after manager has been seen stood on the sideline doing nothing, while the team fails to carry out their instructions, so change the instructions.

We probably need to win 7 or 8 of our last 18 games to stay up - I just don't see that happening with or without a different manager and some winger from Villareal that nobody else wants.

Martin Reppion
70 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:46:56
After the Brighton game, which was the most gutless performance by players and manager I've ever witnessed in 50 years following this club, I could not believe that Lampard was still in a job by the time I got home to Halifax.
Since then I've been amazed every time I hear nothing about his departure.
I don't know who the new manager should be. I just know we need one. And more importantly, we need him now.
Fresh eyes and a fresh voice in the ears of the players is the only way out of this rut.
Christine Foster
71 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:53:47
I fear this is more about moving the deck chairs on the Titanic. Yes Lampard has to go, whether or not he is solely culpable for the situation. We can split the percentage of blame between the owner, chairman or manager, and all of us will come up with different percentage splits but the fact is we cannot do nothing. Given Moshiris public washing of hands, which is total bullshit, and the board's deceitful attempt ( almost worked) to blame supporters, getting rid of the manager takes the spotlight off the board.

If, and I am not sure yet, if Lampard goes, I don't want a former player in the role, it needs an experienced no nonsense manager who can raise what we have because little activities on the transfer front can only mean sell before we buy.

I'm not of the belief we will be relegated, but even I never believed how low Kenwright would take us. The focus is and should be on survival, but if the results go badly, no matter who the manager is, the owner and board will bear the blunt, rightly in my opinion, and ire of fans. If we are not relegated we cannot, must not, forget or forgive.

Trevor Peers
72 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:55:29
Organiser, organiser, organiser that team is crying out for it, must have a strong character and experience to instill discipline or he will be crying in the dug out like a baby within a month. No young up and coming manager could cope with the massive pressure that comes with this job.

Obviously I'd go for Dyche, but if Thelwall doesn't like him we'll get another manager without a backbone and he will almost certainly crumble into dust before the season ends.

John Gall
73 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:56:25
Amazed that everyone agrees that Sean Bloody Dyche, a ginger Allardyce with all the same dire associations, is being so universally lauded by all on here. Such fatalism! We have half a season to go, and some good players who, properly organised and motivated, can get us out of the bottom three without the need for prehistoric industrial level football. Moyes, for all his faults, can organise a defence and spot a good player. Look how well organised West Ham were at the back on Saturday, admittedly against a toothless Everton attack. I think we should have gone back in for Moyes. All of the other candidates really are an absolute shot in the dark, and this time a speculative punt on a random manager might not be enough to save us.
Tony Waring
74 Posted 23/01/2023 at 09:58:49
A year or two ago and nobody would have even mentioned Dyche. He could'nt keep Burnley up so why might he succed with Everton. Having said that I havee'nt a clue who we should appoint but someone men tioned Simeone; now there's a bloke who would get a message through to the players but I doubt he would come to Merseyside always assuming we could afford him.
Colin Glassar
75 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:02:26
Will Frank be forced to stand smiling behind Danjuma while he signs his contract? Frank was sacked last night so that would be just plain cruel.
John Gall
76 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:05:50
Simeone! Now you're talking, but there's no chance is there? Mind you, they said that about Ancelotti
Michael Lynch
77 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:07:23
Sky reporting that he's gone and it will be announced later today.

I'd have SImeone please yes thank you very much.

Paul Hewitt
78 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:07:47
It's official he's sacked
Michael Lynch
79 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:08:46
Welcome Nuno Santo, assuming Moshiri can find a spare 7 million down the back of the sofa to release him from his contract.
Colin Glassar
80 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:08:47
Simeone? 🤣🤣🤣

Sorry for laughing about Simeone but who the fuck do we think we are? Simeone is an elite manager. We are a joke club that no top/decent manager will want to touch right now.

Ancellotti was a one off miracle.

Rennie Smith
81 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:09:42
I have no idea who to suggest as a replacement, and sadly no energy to do so because it will be the same old rinse and repeat. They come in, get half a season to stay up, it goes to pot in the first half of next season and they get the bullet.

The people on here crying out for Dyche will be the same people screaming for his head in 12 months time. And as for Simeone, b'ave yourselves. Although I said Don Carlo would never come to a club like us so what do I know.

All I would ask is there is some semblance of a plan, not just put a list of names on a dartboard and let Denise have a throw.

Darren Hind
82 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:11:03
Talking about us on Talk shite right now
Iain Johnston
83 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:12:21
Tony@74 Dyche didn't relegate Burnley Mike Jackson did. They weren't in the bottom 3 until the last day of the season.

Ok, I agree his final season wasn't the best but consider how much, year on year, Dyche had to spend on players.

He managed encouraging results before his dismissal, gaining points away at the likes of Chelsea & Arsenal, played Brighton off the park at the Amex and beat Spurs at Turf Moor.

Dale Rose
84 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:13:23
We don't have a team that can play flowing beautiful football. We haven't for years. We need a manager who can instill technical ability and fight. Its time for some back to basics. I don't believe we are the worst team in the league, but years of mismanagement have left us in this position. We need a reset. Frank was a really nice bloke, but not the right man to get a tune out of these. Clock is ticking board. If you don't know who to get in, you shouldn't be anywhere near this club.
Peter Carpenter
85 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:14:58
Motivator needed.
Steve Brown
86 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:19:26
Iain @ 83, sorry but that is pure nonsense.

Dyche won 4 out of 33 league games before he was sacked. Mike Jackson won 3 and drew 2 of the 8 league games he was in charge of.

Burnley might have survived if they had sacked Dyche earlier. Jackson did a superb job and almost saved them after Dyche's dismal reign.

He was sacked in April 2021 and has been out of a job ever since.

Paul Tran
87 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:21:04
Can't see any official, reputable news on him actually being sacked.
Raymond Fox
88 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:21:31
John 73, its this attitude that some managers are too unrefined for us that has gone someway to causing the situation we are now in.

Sure we would all like to play wonderful flowing winning football ala Man City - Arsenal, the obvious fact is those players are too expensive or don't want to come to sign for us.
The sensible manager needs to find alternative ways of playing instead of repeatedly banging their head trying to beat the better teams at their own game.

Rob Halligan
89 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:22:21
Talksport saying he’s still hanging on in there!
Rob Halligan
90 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:25:44
Maybe the board are waiting for the ToffeeWeb spokesperson to phone them up and let them know our final decision on who to appoint as new manager before confirming the sacking of Frank.
Christine Foster
91 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:27:45
The board are asking advice from the Fans Advisory board.
Colin Glassar
92 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:28:42
By a thread or BK’s balls, Rob? Apparently, we have no replacement lined up or even considered. A review will be held once the window closes.
Danny O’Neill
93 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:30:25
Words of wisdom Christine. The absolute focus now is to climb that table. Amazingly, despite our best self-destruct efforts, we still have the chance to do that.

Frank, for all of his good words and good intent looks out of his depth. Just as he did eventually at Derby and also when he got his dream job at Chelsea, but the expectation was to win the league. All he has to do with us is make us competitive. It's looking increasingly unlikely he will do that.

The fact we are talking about Dyche makes me very sad. Okay, reality check, it's where we are and what we've become. He's no Allardyce and has a bit more about him, but I wouldn't be comfortable with it.

Okay, we gave it a go with a big name like Ancellotti but he saw the writing on the wall pretty quickly. Lampard, like Koeman was a big name in the game.

I fear for Lampard. He's falling into, if he hasn't already, that category of being a great player that just won't cut it as a manager. Guillit was the same and Shearer quickly cut his losses and went back to punditry. Daglish pretty much failed once he lost the legacy of his predecessors and succeeded with Jack Walker's millions. Gerrard has gone quiet since he realised Villa and the Premier League was a different prospect to near guaranteed weekly wins at Rangers.

Okay, I don't always like to get involved in these managerial debates and I will sound somewhat contradictory given my remarks about Gerrard. But if short-term change is going to happen and, for those who like an Evertonian at the helm, given his success at Hibs and recent vocalism, Alan Stubbs?

Then again, I believe he was a flop at Rotherham

I really don't care. I just want points on the board.

The manager is the immediate problem. But not THE problem.

Rob Halligan
94 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:31:59
Them as well, Christine. Maybe you could be the TW spokesperson, give Jazz Bal a ring, have a little conflab, then give Mosh a ring!
Peter Carpenter
95 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:32:00
Rennie (81), they tried that and the choices are Bill's left foot, Sharpie's buttock or Bill's fake antique sideboard. She's holding a strategic review into throwing darts and will try again later.
Andrew Clare
96 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:33:00
A Spanish or Italian manager would do for me. They are great tacticians and know far more about football than the low grade merry go round of mediocre British managers that are always rolled out as options whenever a vacancy arises.

We don't want failures we want a young up and coming manager with a vision.

I am just so sad that we have left this so late to resolve.

Rob Halligan
97 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:34:39
Colin, maybe he’s hanging onto Denise’s neck!
Peter Carpenter
98 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:38:36
It's a dilemma. Short term kick up the arse motivator to get to safety or long term builder for the future? Is there a combination candidate?
Iain Johnston
99 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:43:37
Steve@86 that's fair but they were 17th when the sacked Dyche on the 15th April they then got a few games of new manager bounce including a win against an already relegated Watford.

It was Jackson losing 3 of the remaining 4 fixtures that let Leeds back in.

Also consider historically what he had every summer to rebuild, I think his nett spend in his final season was about £6m but he still managed to find strikers who could score 10 -15 goals each every year.

For me it was the takeover by ALK that broke the cycle, his relationship with pace was toxic.

The team drew to many games, they lost as many as Wolves who finished 10th.

Tony Everan
100 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:44:50
Raymond, it leaves a sour taste in the mouth but it is true. We are going to have to win ugly seven times this season to stay up. We are not suddenly going to become the super efficient Everton team of 1985. To stay up we are going to need am manager who can get the players to graft like never before, get them organised and playing a simple more direct but effective system.

The new manager will need two or three players to execute a plan. Time is running out now 8 days left of this window and everything is up in the air.

Moshiri pulled a rabbit out of the hat with Ancelotti. The rumours today that the bookies favourite Dyche is being overlooked, could it mean he has someone already lined up?

Who knows who that would be ? I just don’t know what to expect next from our board or owner, and it wouldn’t even surprise if they talked Moyes into walking away from West Ham and he came back.

Andrew Grey
101 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:49:09
Bielsa's odds shortening dramatically
Simon Jones
102 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:49:35
Dyche isn't as bad as he is painted, but he isn't a long term replacement, he's another "Break Glass in Emergency" name, but without the track record of Allardyce. I'd bet Tony Pulis would do just as good a job if that is what is required now.

At this stage, I'm not arsed who is appointed as I've lost faith that there is any cohesive plan to get out of this dire situation. All I'm left with is hoping that we get lucky with the next manager. I wonder if the quiet determination of Leighton Baines would work, or do we need a ranting and raving type to give this squad a kick up the arse?

Ian Edwards
103 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:53:07
Dominic King has said in the Mail that he has been told that we aren't considering Dyche.

Interestingly Bielsa has come in over night from 16-1 to 3-1.

John Charles
104 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:54:37
Not sure who I would have to replace Lampard, but then again there should be some more knowledgeable people in the club than me!! It would be good not to be linked with people who would have taken their last clubs down (or massively under performed) if not sacked - Dyche / Biesla/ Nuno
Colin Glassar
105 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:54:58
The board (Kenshite and DBB) are having a game of rock, paper, scissors to see who gets to tell Frank his time is up.

Moshiri has left already for Monte Carlo aboard a private jet registered in Uzbekistan as he has nothing to do with these things.

Sharpy and Thewell are playing snap outside the boardroom waiting to be summoned to make a cuppa with some Jaffa cakes and plain digestives.

Peter Carpenter
106 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:55:05
Bielsa. Ten years too late. Just like Everton, that.
Michael Lynch
107 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:56:45
Bringing in Bielsa at this stage would mean we're expecting to go down. His Leeds team were shipping goals for fun, which was why he was sacked. Imagine our defence, already falling apart, with him in charge?

Bring in Joey Barton. At least we'd go down fighting. Literally.

John Charles
108 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:57:33
Biesla would take us down and keep us down. A one trick pony and we do not have the type of player to make his system work.
Simon Jones
109 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:58:09
Bielsa does know how to get a team promoted...just saying...
Denis Hignett
110 Posted 23/01/2023 at 10:59:52
We have had enough 'nice' managers, the next one should be a real bastard that will kick arse.
Not sure who though!
Simon Jones
111 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:00:07
Michael @107

Joey Barton as manager would, at least, be entertaining.

Peter Carpenter
112 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:00:38
The next Bielsa, not the last one.
Craig Walker
113 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:01:27
My heart couldn’t take the likes of Idrissa Gueye and Ben Godfrey trying to play possession football in front our our box.
Peter Carpenter
114 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:01:37
How about Tony Bellew. Now, there's a motivator.
Michael Lynch
115 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:03:51
Joey Barton and Tony Bellew. Absolute dream team.
Darren Hind
116 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:04:14
"A bastard who would kick arse" upstairs and down stairs.

Nigel Pearson.

He might not stop there though. Anyone chasing his car down the road ....

Martin Faulkner
117 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:08:43
Marcello Gallardo

Go get him

Raymond Fox
118 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:15:08
Nice one Michael 107, that cheered me up.
Danny O’Neill
119 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:17:32
Seeing as we're in the manager debate and given it seems inevitable at some point.

On Bielsa. Talking to some very good match going Leeds friends, they love him in one respect but as they tell me, they were characteristic of getting off to great starts followed by a collapse in the second half of the season under his tenure. I think it cost them promotion twice before they finally came up. It coined their own self-generated "Leeds are falling apart again" chant.

Dyche. I have nothing else to add. Not for me, but I can see why some would want it. But not long term or we'll become a bigger version of Burnley.

I wish we would have made a move for Ten Hag before we appointed Benitiez, but we missed that bus.

I'd like the Brentford manager, but doubt he would touch us right now if he's got any sense.

For those who advocate Potter, he might be available in the summer. Not convinced, but like everyone, I don't always call it right.

And back to the pre-Benitez appointment and discussion. Is Rangnick still active in the game? He has a proven history of building clubs, teams and developing up and coming coaches. Think Hoffenheim. They were nothing. Not even in the German professional leagues. He also made RB Leipzig a force. Very big on focusing on recruitment. Obviously, that took money and funding, which might be a void at Everton over the next few years.

I'm unsure of his health issues and that sort of appointment would put in question the current DoF as he is more likely to want to work in that sort of position (Director of Sport) with a younger Head Coach under him controlling team matters.

Andy Crooks
120 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:21:03
I have a horrible feeling that there will be no new mangager. I believe there is no other club in the land that would have not have acted at 5pm on Saturday. Another symptom of why we are in this mess.
Eddie Dunn
121 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:22:11
Danny- we ain't shopping at Harrods mate. Get used to Aldi.
Barry Robson
122 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:26:27
I suspect it will be Duncan Ferguson. Purely because that would be typical Everton.
Derek Knox
123 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:38:25
Barry, if we follow the recent ' Everton Way ', and as we have little, or nowt in the kitty, it would make sense to appoint Leighton Baines as Caretaker, while using the two weeks till the next game to formulate a proper plan, advertise to invite Applications, then choose the absolute best out of whoever they are (?).

Kneejerk appointments or Moshiri's idea of the ideal man simply won't and don't work, otherwise is it is a case of, the rinse, repeat and spin cycle. Hopefully allow the DoF more input as to the best option for us. I know it's a long shot, but I would love a Tuchel, Poch or a Bielsa type Manager who has experience, takes no shit, and has a game plan.

Eddie @ 121, some good gear in Aldi mate, don't knock it ! :-)

Kevin Molloy
124 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:38:30
if you had to guess from reading the runes it looks from Saturday as though BK and Moshiri are not getting on too well. As such, no doubt Moshiri will make the decision on his own, with advice from his dreadful coterie of agents. So, I'd expect a coach from another league. Probably not quite as off the wall as Vitor Pereira, but that kind of ballpark. No doubt he will feel fortified to face down the fans after Pereira was given the thumbs down and here we are back here again. Whatever happens we can be sure the process will be three things. Slow, expensive and incompetent.
Alex Gray
125 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:46:36
Brighton had scouted their current manager for two years before potter left. You’d like to think in the midst of a relegation battle we have an idea of who we want if we’re sacking Lampard.

What would baines add to the equation?

Eric Myles
126 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:47:32
Maybe Simeone is not impossible if BK could fool him into thinking he's coming to Merseyside to sign for our neighbours? You know, like City did with Robinho that time.
Dave Lynch
127 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:50:51
So when can we expect this season changing appointment
Peter Carpenter
128 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:55:58
Next season, Dave.
Eugene Ruane
129 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:56:26
Just ramblings and brain-droppings...


If there's to be a new manager, he (she?) will need to be three things.

1) A gambler.

2) Lucky.

3) An incredible motivator (possessing the ability to terrify could have the same effect).

Let's face facts, it's the 23rd Jan 2023 and with virtually no money to spend in what remains of the transfer window, we're more or less relegated.

The chances of avoiding this fate are very slim and it is a task that'd require a lot of luck, motivating a demotivated team/squad and imo, a BIG gamble.

"What does 'big gamble' mean?"

I don't really know, this is spit-balling, erm..2 up front, maybe even three up-front

And maybe talking to the under 23/21/18 coaches and finding out who the fighters/battlers/winners are.

Who are the dog's arses?

Who do we have on our books who genuinely despises defeat and is genuinely fearless.

Who isn't getting a game coz he's a nark with a big mouth and has pissed off a coach?

Who relishes a battle?

Who WON'T hide?

"Oh but you can't put kids in because..."

Three things I know..

1) This current side (nb: of 'proven' PL players) absolutely definitely can't compete physically or mentally with even the worst sides in the league.

2) We need players who want to play/win, rather than players content to be knocking the ball about sideways and backwards in their own half at two-nil down.

3) Any new manager coming in will know they're (more or less) on a hiding to nothing, but if they know anything about Everton FC, they'll also know if they could get the supporters' backing and pull off a miracle, they'd become legends.

Think it was Kenny Rogers who said - "There'll be time enough for countin' when the dealing's done"


Gerry Quinn
130 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:56:53
Total incompetence from a Board that should have expected all of this from the 2x Bournemouth debacles - especially with the huge WC window provided to them...
Gerry Quinn
131 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:56:53
Total incompetence from a Board that should have expected all of this from the 2x Bournemouth debacles - especially with the huge WC window provided to them...
Christopher Timmins
132 Posted 23/01/2023 at 11:58:55
Danny, in fairness to Bielsa, in year one Leeds fell off towards the end of the season and lost out on promotion in the play offs. In year two they won the Championship. In year three they finished like a train and actually ended up ahead of us in their first year back in the top flight. He was fired in year 4, however, it was not the case that the collapsed, they struggled all through that season. He had to contend with major injury problems, including missing out on Phillips and Bamford for most of the season, this was particularly relevant given that he liked to work with a small first team squad.

I doubt that he would be interested in our mess as I have set out above he likes to work with a small squad.

While I have my own preference for who should next occupy the hot seat, I do hope above all else that it's the DOF who makes the call. It gives us a better chance of selecting the right candidate and if it does not work out then at least we know who should take responsibility for the issue.

I would not be surprised if there were major tensions in the Board Room at present. The body language did not seem the best on Saturday. I would also not be surprised if the Owner wants out and is totally fed up with the whole scenario. The Chairman does not look in good health and if only for personal health reasons he should call it a day.

I was hoping that Frank Lampard would work out, he probably would not have got the job a year ago if the fans did not make their feelings known about one of the other candidates. He did bring us together after the Rafa exit but ultimately he did not have the skillset needed to turn things around.

It will take some effort by the next manager to turn things around given the cards that he will have to play with. I with him well whoever he may be.

Peter Carpenter
133 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:05:17
I agree with all of that, Eugene. Who is the man? If you half close your eyes, he grows his hair a bit and goes grey, has Sean Dyche got just a hint of Kenny Rogers about him?
David Graves
134 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:11:19
Last week I was told by a Blackpool fan that Ferguson was their preferred choice as manager but then he withdrew from any further discussions.
Perhaps he'd been told to stand-by for his dream gig?
And would his appointment have the finger prints of our Theatre Impresario all over it as the only appointment that the Board can make that will reduce the heat on them?
So 2+2= 5 and Duncan as interim manager it is then!
Christy Ring
135 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:15:53
There's no great choice out there, maybe I'll sit on the fence and wait until a new manager is appointed, and then jump on the bandwagon and give out about the appointment like a few of our readers here always do, they never put a name forward, but constantly moan and criticise, even Ancelotti wasn't good enough for the chosen few. Lampard is still not officially sacked, which is a concern, If and when he eventually goes, I hope Biesla is not considered, a total disaster in my opinion, a one trick pony, Leeds were on the way down last season if he hadn't been sacked. Dyche has to be in the running and Ferguson/Carsley combination.
Anthony Murphy
136 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:15:57
My gut feeling is we will sack Lampard, put Baines in interim charge, start one of our ‘only Everton’ thorough searches that take weeks not days and end up with Moyes who will be sacked in a week or two after further defeats…
Barry Hesketh
137 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:20:13
I would think that the board didn't outright sack Frank Lampard on Saturday night, due to having to do things properly, i.e. have a board meeting and therefore making it look as if they are a united front. It's also possible that they don't have the money to sack the whole coaching staff, and are looking for mutual agreements to bring about a change, thereby allowing any compensation payments to be spread out over a longer period of time and that may explain the delay.

Frank may well have gone by the end of today, but I think we'll have to wait much longer to find his replacement. I thought that Dyche wouldn't be considered because he doesn't appear to be the type of guy who plays politics, although that's one of the major reasons why I wouldn't have minded him taking over at Goodison.

Lord knows who we'll get, but whoever it might be, they will have a tough and demanding job to do and therefore they will need a big personality and bags of self confidence to try and motivate this current squad. We wait, both with hope and trepidation to find out who that might be.

Sam Mellor
138 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:24:57
I don't think anyone with any sense would come to us right now but if we could persuade him, my choice would be Postecoglu.

He got Celtic back on top in quick time and doesn't take any shit. At least you feel like he'd get people going and offers some kind of hope for future improvement, unlike Dyche. That might be unfair but I just can't see him building in the long term, we'd just float around 12th.

If not Postecoglu then fuck it, just go for Rooney. It'll probably end in tears but we're a disaster anyway so why not give it a crack, its a more interesting prospect than the usual Dyche/Moyes crap.

Anything's going to be a bit of a gamble at this stage as we're not exactly a plum job right now.

Neil Halliwell
139 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:27:32
We have to be realistic. The bright, great to watch, school of science football is not possible with these players. There are faint flashes of individual skills but on the whole they are not good enough. With the right experienced leadership they are good enough to avoid relegation. The latter would be a disaster given the finances, new stadium etc. There is only one pragmatic realistic solution at the moment. Ask Dyche to save us.
Colin Glassar
140 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:31:08
Is Frank still on the brink? Sod it, I’m going back to sleep
Andy Riley
141 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:31:28
Peter Reid mentoring Duncan?
Eric Myles
142 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:31:37
Kevin #8, I remember when Moshiri bought us and BK was lauded on these pages.

He said he would find us a billionaire and he has what a great chairman and Evertonian!

Where are all those supporters now?

Andrew Clare
143 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:32:30
Martin #117,
Marcello Gallardo sounds perfect.
No doubt Kenwright and co will opt for some journeyman manager. Until we get rid of the board we are screwed.
Stuart Sharp
144 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:33:37
Very surprised that anyone would dismiss Dyche. In my view, he's exactly what we need. Both in terms of personality and what he'd do with the players available. The 'attractive football' boat sailed some time ago. Dyche will motivate, play 4 at the back, and play to DCL's strengths. All appointments are a risk, but Dyche would give me a bit of hope that we can survive. Besides, Burnley did sometimes play nice stuff when the particular fixture allowed it. Rooney? Give me a break. I have no bitterness towards him, and hope he is here one day, but in a relegation scrap? Madness.
John Gall
145 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:38:15
Eugene 129 - re below, you've been watching too much 'Weakest Link' mate -

Who are the dog's arses?

Who do we have on our books who genuinely despises defeat and is genuinely fearless.

Who isn't getting a game coz he's a nark with a big mouth and has pissed off a coach?

Who relishes a battle?

Colin Glassar
146 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:38:23
Doucoure told to train on his own. Danjama vetoing the return of the Moyesiah. Naismith being touted as manager etc… what a shit show!!
Dennis Stevens
147 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:48:43
I see a few people have mentioned Rooney, but he's already in a job, isn't he? I'm assuming we can't afford to buy somebody out of their contract [including Lampard?!] so any new coach will have to be readily available now.
Gary Johnson
148 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:52:25
Saw that Colin. Apparently had a go at Lampard after Southampton. Reckon nice man Frank has alienated Keane, Holgate, Doucoure, Gordon, the young lads and maybe even his own signings in Maupay and McNeil.

Whether deserved or not, division is a tumour. Yet another reason why hopefully he’s gone.

Michael Stevenson
149 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:55:27
Sarina Wiegman?

Proven winner. Awesome tactical nous - she turned the Euros around with great substitutions at the right time. Not seen many premier league level managers anywhere near that for a while.

It's only a matter of time before a female coach manages a men's team so why not blaze a trail and think outside the box for once?

She can't do any worse than Lampard...

James Hughes
150 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:55:33
Eric #142 they all woke up and smelled the coffee and as the saying goes goes. You can't fool all of the people, all of the time.
Ray Jacques
151 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:57:23
Results havent suddenly deteriorated so they must have been sounding out a replacement (they had a 6 week break for the World Cup ) when nothing was happening.
If Frank is gone tonight then his replacement should be unveiled on Wednesday surely.

Bet he isn't.
We are all hoping for Sean Dyche, desperate times, clueless board.

Michael Boardman
152 Posted 23/01/2023 at 12:58:19
Has he gone yet? Prince Andrew was waiting shorter for the chop
Stu Darlington
153 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:00:28
Anyone know why Dyche is not being considered?
Not that I’m advocating him, just curious as to what he’s supposed to have done.
Anthony Murphy
154 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:01:24
So still no announcement on Lampard out and Danjuma in. We need to send Lampard on his way asap and tell Danjuma to either sign or f off. If the lad has any doubts, let’s move on - we need certainty - no time for nonsense any more.
Larry O'Hara
155 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:01:50
Michael (149)—yes Sarina would be interesting choice
Tony Abrahams
156 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:03:40
Eric, I speak to Bill most nights, but he wouldn’t listen to me mate. I told him years ago that it was going to end in tears, once the naivety wore off, or he told one lie to many, or couldn’t contain his contempt, for anyone that had the temerity to question him.

I’m invincible he said, and don’t forget, I’ve always got an out because of my many different medical conditions.

What’s it going to be this time Bill? I asked him the other night. It’s my eyes he said, they say there is nobody more blind, than those who can’t see, and I’m suffering very badly because of this latest ailment.

How are you going to cut the ribbon, on Bramley-Moore, I asked him? don’t worry about that, my eyesight will be perfect by then, and if it’s not, then we won’t be fucking going, because that’s my ground, I’m the only one who had the wisdom to get that stupid fool Moshiri, involved.

Terry Downes
157 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:04:49
Kompany if poss might cost a shilling or two but if he keeps up worth it and if not at least he know the championship now ?
Keith Gleave
158 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:08:06
Can they do anything with any urgency
Barry Hesketh
159 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:11:50
Keith @158
They are just like the team, you to me, me to you, and then they take a big punt and hope it finds the right bloke.
Kevin Molloy
160 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:21:49
it's done.
Dave Lynch
162 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:23:39
Reports on Everton news feed on Instagram that Doucouré has been told to train on his own.
Report states that players had a bust up with Lampard after Southampton game.

Kompany would no way come to us...why would he leave a team that is a certain promotion team to a car crash club?

Dave Lynch
163 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:25:06
Paul Joyce is the source
Paul Tran
164 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:26:01
I saw that, Dave, and I noticed during the Utd game that Lampard & Tarkowski were having a heated touchline discussion where the player was openly disagreeing.

Nothing inherently wrong with that, but it did make me wonder how things are in the camp...

Eddie Dunn
165 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:26:59
Mark Goldbridge on youtube has said he was sacked.
Peter Carpenter
166 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:27:34
Of all the things on here, this bunch of players having a bust up with anyone is one of the hardest to believe.
Dave Lynch
167 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:27:39
Do you know that for certain kevin
Kevin Molloy
168 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:34:01
not stone cold no. Just journos with big followings saying it's now done.
Brian Williams
169 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:37:00
Anthony. Danjuma's reticence to sign "allegedly" stems from the fact that he want assurances that Moyes will not be the new manager should Lampard be sacked.
Derek Knox
170 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:38:40
Tony @ 156, Classic ! :-)
Derek Knox
171 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:41:53
Brian W, How are you mate ? It seems a strange request from a potential signing, stipulating conditions about a future potential Manager. What does he know about Moyes, or the situation at Everton for that matter ? Bog Mindling !
Rob Halligan
173 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:46:37
I think Kenwright is holding out to see if he’s won the national lottery “Set for Life”, before considering lampards compo. £10K a month for thirty years equates to £3.6M. Roughly the amount Frank would be due in compensation. He’s just got to hope that Denise bought a ticket because the tight bastard probably wouldn’t buy his own!
Stuart Sharp
174 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:48:26
I'd have been angry in Doucoure's shoes too. He's a frustrating player, but well within his rights to moan about not getting a game when 2-0 down with 3 subs to use.
Colin Glassar
175 Posted 23/01/2023 at 13:51:43
Still on the brink then?
Rob Dolby
178 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:00:50
This must be some brink.
Paul Tran
181 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:08:31
Danjuna doesn't like Moyes? That's a good start in my book!
David Midgley
182 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:13:16
What do we know about picking a manager apart from the fact that we can see
Frank as our manager isn't working. Unfortunately for us he doesn't seem
tactically aware, unable to read a game or even close one down. If we had
two injuries in the fiftieth minute he wouldn't bring subs on till the eightieth.
This is about Everton, personal feelings don't come into it. Football employees
be they players or managers earn enough to cushion their pride.
I like the sound of Carlos Corberan at WBA , and also Marcello Gallardo.
We have a big squad and promising youth players plus ones on loan.
Marcello is noted for being a good tactician and getting the best from his
players . Carlos's team are playing good football.

Les Dawson said " They're the correct notes but not necessarily the correct
order ".
Could one of these get a tune out of tune piano that is Everton F.C. ?
John Gall
185 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:14:50
The absolute failure to show any bite or fightback against West Ham shows the players are waiting for the change, as Lampard himself must be, given the lack of substitutes to try and win the game in the second half. For all the talk here of slippery Kenwright with his showbiz schmoozing it's Frank who's played the desperate Everton fanbase with all the touchline displays and soulful, intense press conferences. Frank 'got Everton'...yeah right, he was smart enough to say all the right things with an earnest look on his face. He's a Londoner through and through, though ironically apart from the Chelsea fans they all hate him down there.
Stephen Davies
186 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:15:31
Apparently NO FL or Players at Finch Farm today
Kieran Kinsella
188 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:19:13
Danjuma has a say a naming the manager but Moshiri doesn't?
Pat Kelly
190 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:23:28
Two weeks of waiting to endure.

Wait for the imminent (that means sometime this week) announcement Frank has been thanked for his service.

Then the longer wait for the interview and selection process to run it's familiar course. Could go down to the wire before the next game.

Meanwhile, the window is narrowing. Thelwell must have a lot of balls in the air : possible outgoings (form an orderly queue) possible signings (don't hold your breath) new manager shortlist.

Let the games begin. Who said Everton aren't entertaining ?

Kieran Kinsella
191 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:29:55
Pat Kelly

As of today the club are "thinking about" making an offer to take Ziyech on loan. Thinking about? He's not some obscure player that one of our scouts just unearthed in Outer Mongolia. Surely we knew about him before the window opened? And how long will our thinking process take? And what's plan B when he says "no thank you."? By that time no doubt the window will be shut.

Pat Kelly
194 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:37:00
Kieran, not knowing who the next manager is, any signings will be putting the cart before the horse. But then we're used to carthorses.
Dale Self
195 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:37:02
‘M’ s reputation is affecting who will pick up the phone and how hard a position they take in negotiations. But no worry, ‘M’ is a well traveled Big Business guy who knows all that biz stuff right?
Kevin Molloy
196 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:39:47
Danjuma is a perfect illustration of the fact we aint getting any business done whilst players don't know who the manager is, and who can blame them.
George McKane
197 Posted 23/01/2023 at 14:44:59
Something in the air - - been asked for a Media Chat at 3.30 - - Mmmmm.
Derek Knox
199 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:01:51
George @ 197, let's hope it's good news for a change !

Lyndon Lloyd
202 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:12:46
Daily Mail saying Lampard has gone. Awaiting confirmation from a more reputable source!
Neil Copeland
203 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:15:09
I think the brink is actually a very wide bridge
Will Mabon
204 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:15:20
Hmm - editorial ismism; really?
Anthony A Hughes
205 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:15:30
He's gone, next poor lamb to the slaughter please.
Pat Kelly
206 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:16:59
Have we appointed anyone yet ?
Brian Williams
207 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:20:43
That might be unfair but I just can't see him building in the long term, we'd just float around 12th.
Sam, I wouldn't bite your hand off to "float around 12th" I'd bite yer fucking arm off as well!
Mick O'Malley
208 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:20:59
Breaking news on Talksport, Lampard sacked,
Kevin Molloy
209 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:22:48
Nuno and Duncan and Wayne, oh my!
Peter Carpenter
210 Posted 23/01/2023 at 15:37:47
The next one OUT!

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