Whatever Happened to… What’s his name?
Danny O'Neill’s recent Talking Point article about under-rated Everton players made me think about some of the many players we have signed under our current ownership who were most definitely over-rated. We all usually know what happens to players who become top players, even if they move on to other clubs. The poor players move on and seem to disappear off the radar.
The one that has stuck in my mind was Sandro Ramirez, a Steve Walsh signing quite early in Moshiri’s reign and before we knew the disasters that would follow. I remember my expectations being high because he was so massively hyped. That was obviously before I saw him play.
He had come through the ranks at Barcelona before moving on to Malaga. Everton triggered a £5.2M release clause to sign him, but the implication was that his real value was much more and the club had a steal. I remember walking to Goodison for the first home game after he had signed and seeing several young lads (2 actually) wearing dazzling new shirts with SANDRO emblazoned on the back.
Expectations were high. Ex Barca, we could have paid £30M according to the hype. Then we saw him play. He started the home game with Stoke City, 12 August 2017. Oh dear. Although we won 1 - 0, he was largely anonymous. Now that I think about it, the second shirt might have been on Ramirez himself…
In total, he made 8 appearances for Everton, mainly as a substitute, for no goals. It soon became patently obvious that he was nowhere near Premier League quality.
Just 6 months later, he was gone in the January 2018 window to Sevilla on loan. It was around this time that I read that the Barcelona technical director had said that he had only been retained in the squad as the club was under a transfer embargo for breaking some rule or other.
Everton really should have refunded for all the Sandro shirts (surely greater than 2). You don’t expect to buy a shirt with a new top player’s name on the back, only to find that, 6 months later, he’s gone.
Then, 7 months after that, he was shipped to Real Sociedad, again on loan. A bit of a hot potato. By the start of the next season, he was at Real Valladolid on another loan for a year. Here, he scored his first goal for 2½ years, having failed to score for his three previous clubs.
The next season, he signed on a free transfer for Huesca on a 3-year deal. The hot potato had cooled somewhat, you may think… but no, as 12 months later he signed a 1-year loan deal with Getafe. After another 12 months, he was on the move once more with a loan deal to Las Palmas in the Segunda Division.
To be fair, he scored 7 goals in 21 appearances and Getafe were promoted to La Liga. This season however (he has remained there) he has made only 10 appearances out of 29 games for no goals, so it looks like he has lost his place.
Sandro must be jinxed. He finds his level in the second division, gets a goal every three games and gets them promoted back to Liga 1 where he struggles and loses his place.
So it looks like his level is the Spanish second division. Of course, if we should be relegated in the next two seasons……. No, forget I said that!
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2 Posted 21/03/2024 at 20:39:49
Strangely, Steve Walsh's brother, Mick Walsh proved to be a flop after we signed him for a large fee, at the time, from Blackpool. A striker who scored once, I think, in 30 games.
Not to mention the centre-half who couldn't head a ball, signed by Moyes for £4M or £5M, I forget his name.
I do remember Gareth Farrelly who Kendall signed from Aston Villa, he wasn't much cop but will be remembered for his goal against Coventry City which helped to save us from relegation.
>As will Mick Madar the Frenchman whose goals helped us to stay up.
I couldn't leave Backoftheecho out of near useless list either along with Billyletdown the Russian signed by Moyes, and Joe Royle's signing Clause bleedin' Thomson (sic).
Those are just for starters!!
3 Posted 21/03/2024 at 21:58:46
4 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:03:51
5 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:11:17
Claus the Mouse on the other hand was a total liability. Apparently he scored a goal for us but I must have missed it. My main recollection of him is watching him play with his socks after giving away a penalty to Newcastle.
6 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:28:17
And what became of Royston Drenthe?
7 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:29:49
He also told me that Digne and Gomes were meh but Deulofeu would be great.
I personally do miss Deulofeu and wish we'd kept him.
8 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:33:22
Chances are we ruined him.
9 Posted 22/03/2024 at 08:34:23
He has actually become the player to have played for the most La Liga clubs with 8 different teams.
10 Posted 22/03/2024 at 08:45:29
11 Posted 22/03/2024 at 08:55:06
To be fair, he scored a couple of goals. I was at the friendly vs Sevilla at Goodison when he scored in the first minute. Good finish. He also scored one in a Europa League match.
So it wasn't all bad!
12 Posted 22/03/2024 at 09:01:45
It's far easier to name the good signings in recent times with the likes of Lukaku, Deulofeu, McCarthy, Barry, Pickford, Richarlison, Branthwaite, Tarkowski. It's slim pickings. So depressing.
13 Posted 22/03/2024 at 09:09:15
Did anyone see them both in the same room at the same time? Hmmmm.
14 Posted 22/03/2024 at 10:15:21
15 Posted 23/03/2024 at 09:46:48
16 Posted 23/03/2024 at 10:07:55
I remember wondering at the time if our medical staff were even consulted on this one.
17 Posted 23/03/2024 at 10:33:45
Was actually only at the club 4 years but it seemed like longer. Never played a league match but only ever appeared in pre-season before shipped out on loan again.
Shani Tarashaj, Joao Silva. Two others who were here for multiple seasons but only popped up in the off season, never playing a league match.
Tarashaj had a 4 1â„2-year deal, did we have anyone on a longer contract who never played?
18 Posted 23/03/2024 at 11:22:46
I recall in Walsh's first pre-season, he took a few scouts over to Italy and returned after a week in the sun empty handed!
Our list of totally inadequate players shows one of the reasons why we are in such trouble.
Also, a few years back when we had five players in the England youth team that won the World Cup – Calvert-Lewin, Walsh, Dowell, Kenny and another whose name escapes me but did ok ayon loan to lower division clubs. Calvert-Lewin apart how come we failed to turn these lads into first team players?
Also Ledson who was a year or two older but showed great promise but was never given a chance? Were these lads ruined by spending ridiculous sums on poor players who then blocked the way for the youngsters?
It really is a catalogue of disaster at every level of the club.
19 Posted 23/03/2024 at 13:30:27
20 Posted 23/03/2024 at 16:28:14
I sorta kept track of Drenthe just because... I don't know, perverse curiosity.
Anyway, his last real club was Sparta Rotterdam about 5 years ago. Then he bumped along through a couple of amateur clubs in Spain and Holland, declaring bankruptcy along the way, and finally retired at age 36 last fall.
21 Posted 23/03/2024 at 18:08:57
Francisco Junior appears on U18 team sheet the first time it appeared on a Grand Old Team thread August 2013 along with other names who might be familiar — Kenny, Browning, Kennedy, Grant (that's not Tony), Hope, Lundstram, Long, with Ledson on the bench.
22 Posted 26/03/2024 at 14:37:01
23 Posted 26/03/2024 at 14:44:19
24 Posted 26/03/2024 at 14:55:51
25 Posted 26/03/2024 at 15:25:17
Someone replied that his missus had got a Brazilian for a fraction of the price and was giving him a good deal more pleasure than ours.
26 Posted 26/03/2024 at 15:45:56
Who was that South American we had that also suposedly had an inability to head a ball but scored the majority of his national sides goals with his head?
Peter #5, I also remember Bilyetdanov (?) having some good games, he reminded me of Duncan Mackenzie, but he always seemed to be on a different wavelength to the rest of the team except for Osman who was the only one that could figure out what he was going to do with the ball.
I meant to put Bily in Danny's Underated thread but got busy.
Any one remember that guy we 'signed' when he shook hands on the deal with Chairman Bill and then went to sign a contract with someone else?
27 Posted 26/03/2024 at 16:08:10
28 Posted 26/03/2024 at 16:09:06
Billyletdown scored two or three outstanding goals which most people who saw him remember, I think they hold onto those goals and forget the rest of him, he hardly got above walking pace and was easily forgettable to me like the Spanish kid Moyes had on loan Fernandez (?) he scored a beaut against Man.Unt, we lost 5-2 at home, he scored another good goal and fans were raving about him but he was another who played in patches and he a stinker v Bolton away when he was played on the wing but looked totally disinterested in playing, I don't know where he finished up.
I wasn't fussy on Duncan McKenzie but he was at least entertaining during games not sure Billyletdown ever entertained but I did enjoy the few goals he scored, now Osman I appreciated, a good football brain who scored some excellent goals for the Blues and assisted quite a few and was always involved all over the field, a team player.
29 Posted 26/03/2024 at 16:25:37
A few fans have recalled that Keeley game in the Derby always detrimental about his performance and I have told the story I have told here, Glen Keeley didn't deserve that criticism, in fact I think a few players got dropped after that 5-0 drubbing including Neville Southall and one of the full backs who never played for Everton again, I think he was sold not long after that defeat.
30 Posted 26/03/2024 at 16:36:35
Gosling's agent was right onto that move which meant that Gosling became a free agent by the summer and Gosling signed for Newcastle costing Everton around £3M and Soft lad nothing, so much for Soft lads football knowledge.
31 Posted 26/03/2024 at 17:17:15
32 Posted 27/03/2024 at 01:18:33
No, definitely not Gosling, it was a South American, or maybe Portuguese lad. Attended the game as Kenwight's guest, shook hands on the deal post-match and I think he signed for Spurs.
The other South American that supposedly couldn't head a ball was with us until a couple of seasons ago.
Incidentally, Krøldrup only ever scored 3 goals with his head (out of 8 total) but one I remember was for the team he joined after leaving us.
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1 Posted 21/03/2024 at 17:59:58
You've done far too good a job with that synopsis. It's so painfully pathetic and such an indictment of our club's imbecilic recruitment that you don't know whether to laugh or cry at such crass incompetence.
Episodes Two through Ten should be real ball-busters!