Whatever Happened to… What’s his name?

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Danny O'Neill’s recent Talking Point article about under-rated Everton players made me think about some of the many players we have signed under our current ownership who were most definitely over-rated. We all usually know what happens to players who become top players, even if they move on to other clubs. The poor players move on and seem to disappear off the radar.

The one that has stuck in my mind was Sandro Ramirez, a Steve Walsh signing quite early in Moshiri’s reign and before we knew the disasters that would follow. I remember my expectations being high because he was so massively hyped. That was obviously before I saw him play. 

He had come through the ranks at Barcelona before moving on to Malaga. Everton triggered a £5.2M release clause to sign him, but the implication was that his real value was much more and the club had a steal. I remember walking to Goodison for the first home game after he had signed and seeing several young lads (2 actually) wearing dazzling new shirts with SANDRO emblazoned on the back.

Expectations were high. Ex Barca, we could have paid £30M according to the hype. Then we saw him play. He started the home game with Stoke City, 12 August 2017. Oh dear. Although we won 1 - 0, he was largely anonymous. Now that I think about it, the second shirt might have been on Ramirez himself…

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In total, he made 8 appearances for Everton, mainly as a substitute, for no goals. It soon became patently obvious that he was nowhere near Premier League quality.

Just 6 months later, he was gone in the January 2018 window to Sevilla on loan. It was around this time that I read that the Barcelona technical director had said that he had only been retained in the squad as the club was under a transfer embargo for breaking some rule or other. 

Everton really should have refunded for all the Sandro shirts (surely greater than 2). You don’t expect to buy a shirt with a new top player’s name on the back, only to find that, 6 months later, he’s gone.

Then, 7 months after that, he was shipped to Real Sociedad, again on loan. A bit of a hot potato. By the start of the next season, he was at Real Valladolid on another loan for a year. Here, he scored his first goal for 2½ years, having failed to score for his three previous clubs.

The next season, he signed on a free transfer for Huesca on a 3-year deal. The hot potato had cooled somewhat, you may think… but no, as 12 months later he signed a 1-year loan deal with Getafe. After another 12 months, he was on the move once more with a loan deal to Las Palmas in the Segunda Division. 

To be fair, he scored 7 goals in 21 appearances and Getafe were promoted to La Liga. This season however (he has remained there) he has made only 10 appearances out of 29 games for no goals, so it looks like he has lost his place.

Sandro must be jinxed. He finds his level in the second division, gets a goal every three games and gets them promoted back to Liga 1 where he struggles and loses his place.

So it looks like his level is the Spanish second division. Of course, if we should be relegated in the next two seasons…….  No, forget I said that!

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Michael Kenrick
1 Posted 21/03/2024 at 17:59:58

You've done far too good a job with that synopsis. It's so painfully pathetic and such an indictment of our club's imbecilic recruitment that you don't know whether to laugh or cry at such crass incompetence.

Episodes Two through Ten should be real ball-busters!

Dave Abrahams
2 Posted 21/03/2024 at 20:39:49
Clive, yes, Sandro Ramirez was certainly over-hyped after his signing by Steve Walsh and he turned out to be a dud.

Strangely, Steve Walsh's brother, Mick Walsh proved to be a flop after we signed him for a large fee, at the time, from Blackpool. A striker who scored once, I think, in 30 games.

Not to mention the centre-half who couldn't head a ball, signed by Moyes for £4M or £5M, I forget his name.

I do remember Gareth Farrelly who Kendall signed from Aston Villa, he wasn't much cop but will be remembered for his goal against Coventry City which helped to save us from relegation.

>As will Mick Madar the Frenchman whose goals helped us to stay up.

I couldn't leave Backoftheecho out of near useless list either along with Billyletdown the Russian signed by Moyes, and Joe Royle's signing Clause bleedin' Thomson (sic).

Those are just for starters!!

Clive Rogers
3 Posted 21/03/2024 at 21:58:46
Dave, his name was Per Kroldrup. He made just 1 appearance. Never to be forgotten. I could have picked from a cast of hundreds but Sandro stood out for me because of what we thought we were getting after all the hype.
Clive Rogers
4 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:03:51
Michael, sorry can’t face looking into the background of any other under achievers. Far too depressing.
Peter Gorman
5 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:11:17
Dave, I'm not sure Billy the Russian kid quite falls into this category as he had some good games and scored some absolute peaches, including in a win over Man Utd. He was more in the Bernard bracket; talented but inconsistent.

Claus the Mouse on the other hand was a total liability. Apparently he scored a goal for us but I must have missed it. My main recollection of him is watching him play with his socks after giving away a penalty to Newcastle.

Mike Doyle
6 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:28:17
What freakishly tall Lacina Traore? A Martinez loan signing about 10 years ago. Scored after about 5 mins on his debut, went off injured later - and we never saw him again! (At least that’s my recollection)

And what became of Royston Drenthe?

Mark Murphy
7 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:29:49
I have a good Spanish friend from my days working in Spain who is a massive Cule and told me at the time that Sandro was a fantastic signing for us and would light up the Prem!
He also told me that Digne and Gomes were meh but Deulofeu would be great.
I personally do miss Deulofeu and wish we’d kept him.
Peter Gorman
8 Posted 21/03/2024 at 22:33:22
To be fair to your friend, Mark, we signed Sandro after he scored a goal every other game in La liga with Malaga, including a decent solo effort to beat Barcalona themselves.

Chances are we ruined him.

Clive Rogers
9 Posted 22/03/2024 at 08:34:23
I've just realised I've missed out a fact about Sandro I intended to put in:

He has actually become the player to have played for the most La Liga clubs with 8 different teams.

Clive Rogers
10 Posted 22/03/2024 at 08:45:29
Mark, Deulofeu has sadly probably played his last game at 30 due to a bad knee injury.
Ian Jones
11 Posted 22/03/2024 at 08:55:06
Sandro Ramirez, as has been pointed out above, had scored a few goals for Malaga so he came with a reasonable reputation.

To be fair, he scored a couple of goals. I was at the friendly vs Sevilla at Goodison when he scored in the first minute. Good finish. He also scored one in a Europa League match.

So it wasn't all bad!

Craig Walker
12 Posted 22/03/2024 at 09:01:45
Sandro was awful but at least he was cheap. I think worse signings would include Kean, Delph, Alli, Bolasie and Niasse but the worst signing of the lot, in my opinion (and I appreciate that there is a lot of competition in this category) has to be Gbamin. I know he got a terrible injury but even before that, in the couple of games I saw he looked out of his depth. He eked massive wages out of our club, bad-mouthed us and contributed absolutely nothing.

It's far easier to name the good signings in recent times with the likes of Lukaku, Deulofeu, McCarthy, Barry, Pickford, Richarlison, Branthwaite, Tarkowski. It's slim pickings. So depressing.

Charles Ward
13 Posted 22/03/2024 at 09:09:15
Gbamin had a similar injury record to Naby Keita.

Did anyone see them both in the same room at the same time? Hmmmm.

Dave Abrahams
14 Posted 22/03/2024 at 10:15:21
Craig (12), regarding Gbamin, you left out he got done for drunking driving during the many times he was trying to get fit!!
Jerome Shields
15 Posted 23/03/2024 at 09:46:48
Yes there has been poor signings, but the team they played in was no great shakes and Finch Farm hasn:t a reputation of developing players.It may even have made some of them worse
Mike Doyle
16 Posted 23/03/2024 at 10:07:55
Craig 12] The Delph signing was another head-scratcher. I think every casual football fan in the country knew of his fitness record in previous years … but we signed him regardless!
I remember wondering at the time if our medical staff were even consulted on this one.
John Pickles
17 Posted 23/03/2024 at 10:33:45
Francisco Júnior anyone?

Was actually only at the club 4 years but it seemed like longer. Never played a league match but only ever appeared in pre-season before shipped out on loan again.

Shani Tarashaj, Joao Silva. Two others who were here for multiple seasons but only popped up in the off season, never playing a league match.

Tarashaj had a 4 1⁄2-year deal, did we have anyone on a longer contract who never played?

Dave Williams
18 Posted 23/03/2024 at 11:22:46
Our so called directors of football have a lot to answer for and one wonders if some ever had a vested interest in buying some players?

I recall in Walsh's first pre-season, he took a few scouts over to Italy and returned after a week in the sun empty handed!
Our list of totally inadequate players shows one of the reasons why we are in such trouble.

Also, a few years back when we had five players in the England youth team that won the World Cup – Calvert-Lewin, Walsh, Dowell, Kenny and another whose name escapes me but did ok ayon loan to lower division clubs. Calvert-Lewin apart how come we failed to turn these lads into first team players?

Also Ledson who was a year or two older but showed great promise but was never given a chance? Were these lads ruined by spending ridiculous sums on poor players who then blocked the way for the youngsters?

It really is a catalogue of disaster at every level of the club.

Clive Rogers
19 Posted 23/03/2024 at 13:30:27
Dave, Walsh is still in the sun. He’s special advisor to MLS club Charlotte FC.
Mike Gaynes
20 Posted 23/03/2024 at 16:28:14
Mike #6,

I sorta kept track of Drenthe just because... I don't know, perverse curiosity.

Anyway, his last real club was Sparta Rotterdam about 5 years ago. Then he bumped along through a couple of amateur clubs in Spain and Holland, declaring bankruptcy along the way, and finally retired at age 36 last fall.

Dave Abrahams
21 Posted 23/03/2024 at 18:08:57
John (17)

Francisco Junior appears on U18 team sheet the first time it appeared on a Grand Old Team thread August 2013 along with other names who might be familiar — Kenny, Browning, Kennedy, Grant (that's not Tony), Hope, Lundstram, Long, with Ledson on the bench.

Alan J Thompson
22 Posted 26/03/2024 at 14:37:01
What happened to Castillo, was it, a South American who was one of two players we signed around the same time, not sure if the other was Fellaini but don't recall.
Ian Bennett
23 Posted 26/03/2024 at 14:44:19
He was shite Alan. Scored a good goal in Europe though.
Alan J Thompson
24 Posted 26/03/2024 at 14:55:51
Possibly, Ian, but he was one of those players that seemed to quietly disappear as quietly as he came without playing many games or being with us that long. Wasn't he a Venezualan or something international? We've never had much luck with South Americans prior to Richarlison.
Andy Crooks
25 Posted 26/03/2024 at 15:25:17
Just remembered Jo. Whatever became of him. I recall at the time he signed, posting that we had got a quality Brazilian cheap.
Someone replied that his missus had got a Brazilian for a fraction of the price and was giving him a good deal more pleasure than ours.
Eric Myles
26 Posted 26/03/2024 at 15:45:56
Dave #2, Per Koldrup was the centre back that apparently couldn't head the ball but yet played 33 games for the Danish national side.

Who was that South American we had that also suposedly had an inability to head a ball but scored the majority of his national sides goals with his head?

Peter #5, I also remember Bilyetdanov (?) having some good games, he reminded me of Duncan Mackenzie, but he always seemed to be on a different wavelength to the rest of the team except for Osman who was the only one that could figure out what he was going to do with the ball.

I meant to put Bily in Danny's Underated thread but got busy.

Any one remember that guy we 'signed' when he shook hands on the deal with Chairman Bill and then went to sign a contract with someone else?

John Chambers
27 Posted 26/03/2024 at 16:08:10
What about Glen Kelley. I know Kendall only got him on loan but he played 30 minutes of a derby match, got sent off for fouling Dalgleish and never seen again after he disappeared down the tunnel!
Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 26/03/2024 at 16:09:06
Eric (26), Fair enough Eric, I never heard anything about him after he left Everton, I know Moyes spent millions on him but got rid of him pretty quickly.

Billyletdown scored two or three outstanding goals which most people who saw him remember, I think they hold onto those goals and forget the rest of him, he hardly got above walking pace and was easily forgettable to me like the Spanish kid Moyes had on loan Fernandez (?) he scored a beaut against Man.Unt, we lost 5-2 at home, he scored another good goal and fans were raving about him but he was another who played in patches and he a stinker v Bolton away when he was played on the wing but looked totally disinterested in playing, I don’t know where he finished up.

I wasn’t fussy on Duncan McKenzie but he was at least entertaining during games not sure Billyletdown ever entertained but I did enjoy the few goals he scored, now Osman I appreciated, a good football brain who scored some excellent goals for the Blues and assisted quite a few and was always involved all over the field, a team player.

Dave Abrahams
29 Posted 26/03/2024 at 16:25:37
John (27), John, Glen Keeley was a very good centre back who played for BlackburnRovers under Howard Kendall there, Kendall played him in that Derby game despite Keeley telling him he wasn’t match fit, he was recovering from an injury and hadn’t played for quite a while, that Derby was his first game of the season. Howard assured him he’d be okay, he wasn’t and obstructed Dalgleish and was sent, that performance was entirely down to Kendall who didn’t listen what his player was telling him. Glen Keeley had played hundreds of games for Blackburn went back there and played plenty more, he was a very good player better than average.

A few fans have recalled that Keeley game in the Derby always detrimental about his performance and I have told the story I have told here, Glen Keeley didn’t deserve that criticism, in fact I think a few players got dropped after that 5-0 drubbing including Neville Southall and one of the full backs who never played for Everton again, I think he was sold not long after that defeat.

Dave Abrahams
30 Posted 26/03/2024 at 16:36:35
Eric (26) You are not thinking about Dan Gosling are you? He was our player but shook hands on renewing his contract, Kenwright was trying to save money by delaying the signing of his contract until the summer.

Gosling’s agent was right onto that move which meant that Gosling became a free agent by the summer and Gosling signed for Newcastle costing Everton around £3M and Soft lad nothing, so much for Soft lads football knowledge.

Ajay Gopal
31 Posted 26/03/2024 at 17:17:15
Jack Rodwell, anyone? I remember one of our members had got so excited about young Jack that he wrote a passionate Fan Article titled “The New Beckenbauer” or something like that! Fortunately, we actually made decent money out of selling him to Man City, who then ultimately pawned him off to a Moyes’ managed Sunderland who got relegated with a plethora of ex-Everton players! The last I heard, Rodwell was kicking the ball somewhere in Australia.
Eric Myles
32 Posted 27/03/2024 at 01:18:33
Dave #30,

No, definitely not Gosling, it was a South American, or maybe Portuguese lad. Attended the game as Kenwight's guest, shook hands on the deal post-match and I think he signed for Spurs.

The other South American that supposedly couldn't head a ball was with us until a couple of seasons ago.

Incidentally, Krøldrup only ever scored 3 goals with his head (out of 8 total) but one I remember was for the team he joined after leaving us.

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