A Tale of Two Managers – David Moyes and Graham Potter

Let's see how Moyes copes with yet another (aren't they all really?) Must Win... a bit of a point to prove.

To stumble across the line for 3 points – however welcome they may be – will not be good enough.

God forbid we snatch a draw or lose.

Nothing less than putting West Ham to the sword will do (somebody ought to make a latin motto out of that).

Win, then we can go into the Palace game with renewed confidence, it's that simple. I will say this, though: I'm not looking forward to Monday night.

It's on you, Moyes.

Hope there is no new manager bounce with Nuno. Let's hope he's installed after Monday night.

3 points a must to get us back on track after the last 2 games.

You can see why organisations like the Beeb have pre-penned obituaries etc which get regularly updated till they need to be dusted off and published.

So it'll be one big fat cockney bus parked at Hill Dicko. Might need a Keane header to break the deadlock.

We all seen it coming, another example really of we live in an era where managers don't get any time.

Looks like they have appointed Nuno already, so these players will be eager to impress the new gaffer, this game takes on a new dynamic now for them and again it drives home that we will need to be on form.

Easy to go to Brighton, Swansea and do that. Not where fan expectation is higher.

Imagine waking up tomorrow with nothing to do except count your failure money. I suppose it will keep him from being bored.

If it was Moyes who had just lost his job here, I would be really interested to see what a guy like Nuno would do for us.

And he failed at the club he went to and got sacked?

He went to Spurs and was sacked in no time.

We were in talks with Nuno in summer of 2021 when Carlo left, but ended up going insane and making the controversial Benitez appointment.

Nuno is expected to be in place before Monday's Premier League match against Everton, having said he has had positive talks with the West Ham board.

Their ancillary workers must be quaking in their boots.

They get a bump, we get a slump.

Crystal Palace today showed Liverpool up for what they are by getting amongst them, something Moyes was never going to encourage.

We are very much dependent on which Everton turns up against West Ham. I don't think the extended break for players rested for the Carobao Cup will be of any benefit. Watching Moyes make a mess of both games won't help either.

As for Potter, he just did not gel at West Ham and would not have gelled at Finch Farm either.

And he's not the only one benefitting from the wonderful gravy train.

To be fair, Peter, it's better described as Contract Law rather than a gravy train. Unless and until failure to pick up points becomes 'gross misconduct' for employment purposes, a sacked manager is entitled to whatever recompense stipulated in the contract which he signed.

If a club can pick up a manager with a contract which says he can be sacked with 90 days pay (or whatever), then good luck to them. But I doubt that there would be many managers willing to sign that contract!

I just feel that, in some instances, there is no incentive to succeed. Indeed, the more cynical of them might be quite attracted to failure.

It's likely Moyes will leave us in decent shape when he leaves at the end of next season. Frustrating and conservative, yes. But also likely to over-perform the quality of the squad / level of investment in the squad.

That means leaving us in the 7th to 10th zone.

That's not the Moyes ceiling. That's the ceiling created by the gulf in quality (and riches) with about 7 or 8 other clubs.

I wouldn't keep him after the end of next season though, because I don't believe he would take us forward once we get to a point where our squad is more comparable with the richer 7 or 8.

A good fit for where we are now therefore (albeit a bit boring) but not a good fit long term.

We need to plan for the future and all these managers have proved their worth in the premier league with “smaller” clubs.

And I like some of those managers you mention - but whilst Palace, Bournemouth, Brighton and Fulham might be smaller clubs - they have all been considerably richer than us in recent years. But all seem to have experienced something along the lines of a Moyes glass ceiling. For all his good work at Forest last season, Nuno Espirito Santos also seemed to hit that same glass ceiling.

I also think Everton fans would have been screaming incompetence at Hurzeler, if he'd have overseen last season's £250m spending spree with nothing to show for it.

Spending money will make miles more difference to our league position and cup chances than a change of manager.

Wishful thinking on my part.

No, we got the right fellow and Potter's next move will be a defining one. He doesn't half pick 'em though! Chelsea and West Ham? Blimey...

We've gotten the better of the deal, in the sense that it's better to have a pebble in your shoe than a piece of glass.

But alas, you couldn't get past three posts on here before another strategic footballing genius came up with their well thought out assessment of our situation under the previous manager, inevitably concluding with the fabled phrase, get Potter in!

Good call. Not.