Moyes:? What happens next?
Now that the dust has settled on the debacle that was Thursday night (and I'm not referring to events off the field), once again the inevitable question regarding the suitability of David Moyes as manager of Everton Football Club is being raised.I've just finished watching Fulham v Man City and whilst it can hardly be described as a game for the purists, with both defences looking dodgy, one thing was apparent, Man City were intent on playing attractive football orchestrated by Hamman in the middle of the park.
The only time they resorted to 'hoofball' was when the ball needed to be kicked upfield as part of a defensive clearance, not as a means of starting an attacking move.
Now cast your minds back to the summer, when Sven was finally appointed as manager of City. He embarked on a 'manic' spending spree in a relatively short space of time, on largely unknown foreign players, but guess what, they all like to play football and retain possesion.
No prizes for guessing what sort of parallels I am trying to make here, but whilst I readily acknowledge the progress we have made under Moyes, by and large the football presentd to us has been ordinary and at other times downright ugly.
If the much mocked and maligned Sven can hastily assemble a side that is pleasing on the eye in the space of four weeks, is it too much to ask that after five years we cannot turn out a side who can string together three to four passes? Whilst it is a prerequisite for coaches and managers in the Premier League to possess a Uefa coaching qualification, it seems that coaching individual players to retain possesion and pass to each other is not.
The injuries to Arteta, Cahill and Vaughan have undoubtably come at a bad time for Moyes, indeed I don't believe Yakubu would have been signed but for Vaughan's injury in the pre-season game at Preston, but the manager's lack of knowledge of the European scene, or his stubborness to only buy British, almost precludes us from strengthening our biggest weakness in the current team: the midfield.
I have stated on previous occasions, that there HAS to be strong, skilful, ball-playing central midfielders in most of the teams that play in the Dutch, French, German,Spanish and Italian domestic leagues. If that is so, why could we not pick one or two up for reasonable prices in the last transfer window?
God forbid, I would ever compare Wenger with Moyes, but time after time, year after year, he manages to cherry-pick a plethora of players from the continent to great effect. Is it Moyes or our scouting system? Even the severly limited Mentalists on Thursday night managed to retain more possesion with nine men than we did with eleven!!
The old belief that managers can get too close to players also contiues to undermine Moyes. In Hibbert and Neville, we have two players whose efforts for the team cannot be called into question, but it is obvious that in the last two years Hibbert's game has gone backwards but the manager continues to stick with him and drops him occasionally only for him to be back in the side the folowing week, almost in the belief that a weeks rest will turn him into a decent player!
With Neville, it's slightly more complicated. Having made him club captain and then having to drop him would call into question the manager's selection policy in the first place, but again, it's glaringly obvious he ain't a ball-winner in the Joe Parkinson mould, and he's never going to be able to spray 40-yard passes across the field or go on a lung-bursting run to finish off a great flowing move.
In contrast, I praise Moyes for choosing Arteta, Baines, Howard, Yobo, Lescott and one or two others who grace our team, but I do call into question his ability to get any of his sides over the last five years to play good football on a regular basis. I'm not sure what is the length of time remaining on his current contract (is it four years?) but Thursday night's performance was almost pre-historic in terms of how the game has moved on in recent times... I'm not sure our own leader isn't just stuck in his own particular time warp.
Wake up, Davey before it's too late.
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2 Posted 23/09/2007 at 09:39:03
3 Posted 23/09/2007 at 09:40:17
4 Posted 23/09/2007 at 10:04:11
5 Posted 23/09/2007 at 10:08:41
thankfully we havent had that for a few years and like it or not i will take succesfull hoofball rather than relegated attractive football (notts forest) any day While i am not saying he has a job for life look how long it took ferguson at manure
This man has kept us far from relegation worries and is gradually bringing in footballers
be patient we blues always do things the hard way
coyb
6 Posted 23/09/2007 at 10:56:31
Simple as that really.
7 Posted 23/09/2007 at 11:28:39
8 Posted 23/09/2007 at 11:53:21
9 Posted 23/09/2007 at 11:40:08
10 Posted 23/09/2007 at 11:55:11
11 Posted 23/09/2007 at 12:06:04
12 Posted 23/09/2007 at 12:31:09
13 Posted 23/09/2007 at 12:59:30
14 Posted 23/09/2007 at 13:11:01
Name them, if it was so easy we’d all have two or three. We drew with a good team, not some 3rd division outfit. People like you seem to thnk as they are from the Ukraine we should steamroll them.
The team is infinitely better than pre Moyes. You are just one of toffeewebs infinite number of negative posters. If its so bad go and watch Man City.
15 Posted 23/09/2007 at 13:15:10
I hope the article didn’t come across as ’Anti-Moyes’ because that was not the intention, also please do not place me in the same category as a certain Tony Marsh whose bitterness towards the manager I find hard to stomach.
However, in my defence, I was merely raising the question that after five years (forget about the money aspect) we should be seeing some evidence that the teams playing style is improving?
The embarrassment of Thursday night is still fresh in my mind and this is what prompted me to raise the questions I did.
I merely want to see a successful Everton side and within the article I acknowledged the fact that as a club we have progressed and have the nucleus of a very good side, but I’m still not convinced the manager acknowledges that football has changed and successful teams at home or abroad retain possesion of the ball.
16 Posted 23/09/2007 at 13:40:58
Paul, On any other occasion I would wholeheartedly agree with you regarding us finishing above City but if things continue as they are I would have to say that maybe you are wrong.
I believe the injuries are a red herring. Was it not just after beating Bolton that Moyes said that he was happy with the depth of squad we now have ?
It is the team selection that is going down the gurgler and it MUST be rectified as soon as possible.
17 Posted 23/09/2007 at 16:04:01
18 Posted 23/09/2007 at 16:14:45
I acknowledge Moyes has stabilised a relegation prone Everton, but he is not a great tactician and most importantly doesn’t bring out the best in his players. What happened to Beatie last season might be repeated with Andy Johnson this campaign, if Moyes continues to play without any width or guile and possesion play.
I’m afraid with this style of play we’ll be lucky to stay in the right half of the table.
I only hope I’m wrong
19 Posted 23/09/2007 at 17:20:23
20 Posted 23/09/2007 at 18:00:53
Moyes must understand that the strikers need the right supply to get the goals!
21 Posted 23/09/2007 at 18:34:18
He showed at Palace how effective he can be when a team plays to his strengths. We bought him and have gradually turned him from a pacy goalscorer to a shot shy chaser of lost causes. I feel sorry for the guy
22 Posted 23/09/2007 at 18:29:51
This is a low point for Moyes and Everton. Three very disappointing results - and performances - in a week. Problems all over the pitch. Question marks over our ’star’ strikers. Injuries to midfielders. Defenders unable to keep a clean sheet.
Three or four weeks ago we were all saying Moyes has built up the best team we’ve had in years. Steve is disappointed that the team aren’t delivering good football - I’d say the first priority is to get results, though perhaps the two things go hand in hand. I think we can both agree that an early European exit and mid table mediocrity to the end of the season won’t be acceptable. It’s up to Moyes to turn things around.
23 Posted 23/09/2007 at 18:46:57
I used to be a big Moyes defender but no longer.
Yes, he is our most successful manager in recent itmes, and he has indeed stopped the relegation rot, but that’s because he is, IMHO, a good mid-table manager. He has achieved as much as he can with us.
I failed to see any discernable tactics on Thursday, and he has no idea how to turn a game that is going badly - his swaps tend to be "lime for like" - e.g. Victor for Yak, Yak for Victor, McFadden (god help us!) for AJ so tactics don’t change - it’s just a case of different personell sent on to try their hand with the same tactics - whatever they are.
We’ll have to settle for mid-table mediocrity as long as Moyes is in charge, which I accept is better than we’ve been used to but that doesn’t make it good enough.
24 Posted 23/09/2007 at 19:16:06
However, I watched on Thursday and although I was disappointed that we were missing a few players I was excited if a bit daunted to see us set up 4-3-3. What I experienced over the following 90+ minutes was unreal. Players boming foward leaving huge gaps, more hoof ball, Vic doing more in 20 mins than Yak did in over an hour and much more.
After it was all over the worst thing was the feeling that the team, including Moysey, had worked so hard to get into Europe, only to possibly blow it before the campaign really got started. Gut wrenching is probably an understatement.
25 Posted 23/09/2007 at 19:45:50
Yes, he is our most successful manager in recent itmes,
Successful at what???????
This is the most dire footballing team I have ever watched and all the Moyes lovers need to vist Specsavers FFS.
26 Posted 23/09/2007 at 21:38:28
grow a brain and take your negativity to some other club you clown
27 Posted 23/09/2007 at 21:41:20
28 Posted 23/09/2007 at 22:24:34
29 Posted 23/09/2007 at 21:50:10
Did I mention oter teams??If you seen that then you obvlously need the specs hahahah.
grow a brain and take your negativity to some other club you clown.
So your over the moon at what we watch then?.
Instead of having a go at someone who watches them week in week out for having an opinion lets hear how wonderful it is for you watching that dross we play.
30 Posted 23/09/2007 at 23:20:47
Be paitent, our team is gradually getting stronger and better with each passing transfer window.
I however, do agree about Neville
31 Posted 24/09/2007 at 15:39:41
I think we have ample cover and talent up front, but without quality service from creative players, they simply will not score enough!!As for hibbert..he needs to be dropped with neville taking the right back spot. Two skillfull wide men to be bought in january and with Arteta, Cahill and Gravesen in there we should be ok
32 Posted 25/09/2007 at 17:25:59
Lets put things into perspective - we lost 1-0 to Man Utd a game that most observers reckon we deserved a draw, AJ was unlucky not to score when Scholes who was lucky to be still on the pitch cleared off the line.
The 1-1 draw with Metalist was far from a good performance but what constitutes encroachment into the penalty area ? Surely there was encroachment in the second penalty - but the ref didn’t order a retake there.
The 2-0 defeat to Villa was a bad result- but was largely down to 2 errors by our defence. Lets not Chelsea also lost at Villa Park 2-0 so Aston Villa are not exactly a bunch of no marks.
Had we won all 3 games would we have any trophies ? No of course not. Basically it’s early days - all is not yet lost. It’s a good job we’ve not had the start that Spurs have had !! Let’s have some faith in the manager and the team.
33 Posted 26/09/2007 at 15:08:03


1 Posted 23/09/2007 at 08:41:05