What about the better quality players we now have because of this improved league placing? they will say. What good as it done us? I will say... We still play the same way we did 3 years ago which is shite negative sterile dross. Throwing more money and better players at a poor tactician is not the answer. The money will be squandered and any players he buys he will ruin. The evidence is there for all to see.
What so many of you fail to realise is, regardless of our win, lose or draw ratio, our performances are virtually carbon copies of one another. The results are ground out and luck is a major factor when ever we play. We are not capable of taking teams apart and constantly look to the referee for help. Players who were decent sorts at former clubs become washed up or drained of confidence once Moyes gets hold of them. Dracula couldn't do a better job of draining the life out of people!
Beattie, Koldrup, Davies, AvdM, Neville, Ferguson... all have suffered under Deadly Dave. Now it's the turn of Johnson, Yakubu, Atreta and the once promising Hibbert to go in to decline. They can't all be duds can they?If so, why were they signed in the first place?
Now I worry about the likes of Vaughan and Anichebe. What will happen to these lads once Moyes tries to put his hoofball stamp on them? What about the youth team ? are they being taught kick-and-rush as well?
Surely even you Moyes minions (who have been very quite lately) can see that something's not right with the team, the way we play and the managers decision making? How you can sit there and defend him as yet another season starts to evaporate before our very eyes is beyond me?
If the rumours are true then there is a mini revolt going on at the club and Moyes has lost the dressing room again. How many times have we seen this before in the last 5 years? I can remember at least three players' revolts. It's pathetic.
Having said all that, Kenwright is the main culprit in all of this. Keeping Moyes for so long just because they share the same dreams. What kind of dreams are we talking about here ? wet ones? Kenwright is a complete tosser if he thinks Everton supporters want only survival and garbagge football to keep them happy. All we need is the odd Derby win and a few clean sheets every season and that will be good enough.
Then again thats all some of you do want...FFS why do we bother.
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1 Posted 26/09/2007 at 13:25:10
2 Posted 26/09/2007 at 13:39:11
They will certainly will become ours too if this shower remain in control. What has our Club done to deserve the present bunch of inept incumbants?
3 Posted 26/09/2007 at 14:49:41
If it’s really that bad, why do you still bother? Do we need to start up Evertonoians Annoymous? Time fo you to kick the habbit, break the dependency... Just Say No!
Come on, Tony, you can do it. The first step is recognizing you have got a problem!!!
4 Posted 26/09/2007 at 14:58:03
I think you are very naughty at times Michael but you already know that dont you.
5 Posted 26/09/2007 at 14:59:11
I believe Van De Meyde was signed with that in mind. I do not blame Moyes for VDM being a complete waste of space.
I think Moyes knows what he needs to do and is trying to add some, much needed, creativity to our play. I think with the return of some players (Arteta, Gravesen & Cahill) this might start to happen.
I think that DM’s greatest failing as a manager is that he simply does not trust his players. I think that is why he wants them to play "hoofball" and play very defensively because he feels that is they express themselves they will lose the ball and goals etc.
While I do believe that DM will try to play a more attractive game with the return (and addition) of players, I fear his lack of trust in his players will always prevent him from abandoing his hoofball style.
6 Posted 26/09/2007 at 15:17:21
7 Posted 26/09/2007 at 15:27:54
8 Posted 26/09/2007 at 14:59:38
9 Posted 26/09/2007 at 15:31:08
I am however leaning towards the "time for a new manager" arguement.
He has had five years to prove his worth and still he continues to play bad football.
The next three games (Wednesday, Boro and Metalist) are very important for the club. If we fail in any of these then Moyes should think about leaving for the good of the club.
10 Posted 26/09/2007 at 15:54:56
11 Posted 26/09/2007 at 16:02:39
After reading an article on some teenage zidane wannabe cheese muncher at spurs on the times website I noticed a few quotes attributed to their skills coach. Do we have such a person at Everton? I would guess we don?t.
Maybe hiring a continental skills coach would alleviate some of the tactical and skills burden on Moyes and help deliver some of the more aesthetically pleasing football we all crave.
12 Posted 26/09/2007 at 16:13:49
13 Posted 26/09/2007 at 16:24:10
Let me see....who fits the bill....errr...ummmmm....arrmmmm ???
14 Posted 26/09/2007 at 16:28:58
I still think that a continental skills type coach (possibly someone Moyes has shared a can of Tennents with whilst gaining his UEFA A badge?!?!?) would help greatly in developing the almost absent ability amongst our defenders and midfielders to actually complete a 5-10 yard pass.
I look at the players when they receive the ball in our half and they look petrified to be in possession of the ball. This nervousness is also noticeable in the lack of effort made by players to find space to receive the ball in. Its as if everyone is SCARED!
Moyes is clearly not giving them the confidence or belief in their ability that players need (something a skills based coach could offer).
With some encouragement and confidence building I imagine even Hibbert could find a team mate without looking like he?s just follwed through whist waiting in line at the post office.
15 Posted 26/09/2007 at 16:46:03
Get a grip. We?ve had a bad week. Support your team and your manager (who has done an excellent job and turned both our club and our expectations around).
And if you don?t like it, don?t go. You?re probably the tool who sits behind me in the Gwladys moaning for 90 mins every game, so I hope you don?t!
16 Posted 26/09/2007 at 16:50:56
17 Posted 26/09/2007 at 16:56:41
But if so, I am not advocating getting rid of Moyes and still believe he is the right man for the job. I am merely suggesting expanding the coaching staff to include a skills/tactics based coach to work under him.
Moyes has many qualities as a manager and has done a great job at Everton, however for this progess to continue I believe our basic skills need improving (pass and move), and that this would be made possible with a skills based coach, who would help with the players? confidence in their abilities and actually want the ball and thrive off possession.
18 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:05:42
19 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:03:43
More money and a better calibre a player will not alter Moyes style of playing football, this is startlingly evident from the last 3 years of watching us. The simple truth of Moyes’ regime is that very few players have come to club and become better, more rounded players.
We have seen from Big Sam at the Barcodes that extra cash or a better standard of squad hasn’t altered the way he plays and it is the same for Moyes.
Not one person posting on this website has ever called into question the stabilising job Moyes has done for this club but we are entitled to call into question his ability to move us forward into the realms of consistent Top 5 finishes. Aside from Man United, Arsenal and to a certain extent Chelsea the standard of football in the Premiership is abysmal - 4th and 5th spots are anyones and they should be ours on a very regular basis. Moyes cannot deliver this, we play well from an attacking point of view about 3 times a season under Moyes, we rely too much on luck (beating Metalist K 3-1 would have been lucky, to draw was what we deserved) and not enough on consistency.
Returning to what provoked my post, Moyes is no Ferguson, in 10 years of him being a manager his teams haven’t nor ever will play with the verve and excitement that Old trafford is used and which used to be expected of us.
20 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:14:56
21 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:28:58
Two words sum up Tony's last piece: SPOT ON
22 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:29:16
23 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:24:13
24 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:32:19
Let’s be rational,we started the season well but after suffering a number of injuries and some bad refereeing decisions we have gone slightly off the boil.
In spite of what I read on this site,I know I am but one of thousands who believe we have the manager and players to make this a most fruitful season.Hold the faith!
25 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:49:15
26 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:48:56
Tony, if you actually had any other knowledge about Everton then I would listen but I just see you as a joke knowadays.
I still dont think you go or even watch the matches. So your saying our football hasnt improved since the Unsworth to Ferguson days? Well I can tell you holeheartedly it has. It is nothing special but it has improved. You can talk about the last few games but for me I would like to wait until we have our best settled team out. We have alot of injuries and when Moyes gets the full squad back I expect it to improve.
I agree Moyes isnt a great tactitian and his substitutions are poor but at this moment in time he is our manager and no one comments are going to change that so please give it a rest.
27 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:47:26
28 Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:50:35
Whereas Reading - a team who are not intrinsically better players than those at everton - by passing the ball - gave the shite a fair old run for their money last night.
And unless we start passing the ball we’re gonna end up fighting to keep out of that 17th spot come may.
29 Posted 26/09/2007 at 18:13:37
30 Posted 26/09/2007 at 18:11:02
how shite was moyes when we reached the champions league??? only to get fucked by the ref??? bet you wasnt calling for moyes heads then!! what i was saying was we need much more talent in the midfield... i could probly count on 1 hand how many clear cut chances our strikers have had this year... just give him a chance...wait until the injuries clear up then if we are still playiin hoofball then i will agree with you chris
31 Posted 26/09/2007 at 18:23:37
32 Posted 26/09/2007 at 18:52:10
33 Posted 26/09/2007 at 19:43:46
1. Pass and spectate: Admire as Phil Neville, the lavishly gifted midfield dynamo, lasers an under-paced three-yard sideways scuff to an unsuspecting colleague ? then stands perfectly still with his arms out impatiently demanding a return pass!
2. High-ball the midget: Marvel as Andy Johnson effortlessly ascends into the stratosphere in response to yet another pinpoint orbit of the earth from Tony Hibbert!
3. Reduce the opposition full-backs to tears (of laughter): Thrill to another slow-motion slalom up the wing - and back again, sometimes several times - as James ?Douglas Bader? McFadden wrestles unsuccessfully to control his wilful artificial legs! Sometimes he even takes the ball with him!
4. Surprise by dead-ball predictability: Wonder at the brilliance of the double-bluff which sees the opposition expect something new and original ? that never comes!
The Moyvines are right ? what is wrong with that dreadful man Marsh? Can?t he see we?re led by a genius?
34 Posted 26/09/2007 at 19:50:08
You say the Moyes brigade have gone quiet-well I aint. For me this season is a big one for Everton football club, not just because of the prizes on offer, but because by the end of this campaign there can be no more excuses for those in charge at the club. Lets be honest here, there is no way Moyes is going this season unless we are relegation fodder. I think Moyes has done the job that he was brought on for and that is to stabalise our fucked up club and re-invigorate our aspirations. In many ways it is actually a good thing that the team has come in for so much shit from the fans recently. I am a supporter of the Moyes regime but I do accept that it’s fly or die season for him for me personally. If we continue to play the way we have been then we WILL NOT get the results and the dressing room will undoubtedly become disconsolate and this will inevitably lead to the exits of mssrs Cahill, Arteta. Lescott et al. Should this happen there is no future for Moyes at the club.
What I beleive all fans should do is judge him at the end of the season. There are no more excuses. This is his team, his tactics and if they do not elevate us into contention for honours then he will be better off elsewhere. All this baiting shit is just another thing to divide an already split fanbase.
Ironically, I beleive that the only person who can reunite the fans is Moyes. If he gets his first eleven fit and gets us ticking again I still think that we will be up there come the season end.
So save your energy Tony Marsh by the end of this season, you can rant and rave all you want, but for the time being why not try actually supporting the team instead of banging your head against a brick wall.
35 Posted 26/09/2007 at 21:11:49
Is there anything you like about David Moyes??
Which Proven manager would you bring to Everton and why??
Do you belive its an easy job being a football manager??
What would you do if you were manager of Everton??
Ask these questions and I might put your name forward for the job..
36 Posted 26/09/2007 at 21:43:52
37 Posted 26/09/2007 at 21:49:20
Moyes muppet? So everyone who disagrees with you is a Moyes muppet. I am far from a Moyes lover but at this moment in time he is our manager and nothing is going to change that. I could go on and on singing "Moyes out" but what does that contribute to this website. It contributes nothing and the rest of the posters would get bored of me as they have with you.
I am realistic I know we are not brilliant but I also know we are not as bad as you make out. Not even 10 games in and your barking the exact same as last season and that my friend is bullshit.
I will question your match going and match watching whether its at home on your couch or at goodison util the day you start giving a balanced view on the supposed club you love.
Why do we bother? Erm, because we are Evertonians. I’ve witnessed alot worse in my lifetime as an evertonian so for me its not the end of the world. Let the season get going before we start judging. And if it goes wrong then fair enough be negative because I probably will do the same but if we start winning and progressing then be positive.
Its as simple as that really. Give a balanced view, take both the positives and the negatives from the game and post something worth reading.
38 Posted 26/09/2007 at 22:47:44
Whats the odds we won’t be hearing anything from Tony Marsh for a few days.
39 Posted 26/09/2007 at 22:30:45
40 Posted 26/09/2007 at 22:56:09
41 Posted 26/09/2007 at 23:00:24
42 Posted 26/09/2007 at 23:33:21
43 Posted 26/09/2007 at 23:56:53
44 Posted 27/09/2007 at 02:47:35
English football = kick up the field
Look at the top 4 teams. I’ll sport you Lampard, and Gerraldo, but outside of them.. err. ok Joe Cole, and other Creative MFs? Don’t get me started on the drought of English FWs. Bottomline, Everton need MUCH better scouting outside of England. And of course those scouts should be able to do Alchohol level tests to keep the VDMs out. ;)
45 Posted 27/09/2007 at 00:45:42
I love Everton. I feel irrational optimism before the season begins. I feel despair and despondency after every defeat.
I am a season ticket holder even though I live in exile in London. I want to see the School of Science re-established. I want to experience again the euphoria of domestic and European glory. I do not believe the current manager, team, board or fans are immune from criticism.
I do, however, have a problem with your postings. They don?t give any sense of your true love of Everton. They only suggest loathing, disgust and hatred. Whatever you think of the current regime, and whatever your frustrations are, I am surprised that a true follower of Everton cannot show a bit more perspective.
I am not saying you are wrong. I just think you may need to rediscover the simple joy of following the blues in hope and anticipation. We will flourish again.
46 Posted 27/09/2007 at 08:25:16
As for Tony Marsh...give us one thing positive in your next post about the Everton of today... go on surprise us all!!! I DARE YOU.... IT CAN’T BE ALL THAT BAD :-)
47 Posted 27/09/2007 at 09:27:33
Last nights result has no bearing at all on how good we are.
It does though highlite how ordinary we are.
Wednesday are a torrid team and we should have walloped them without a fuss.
But by all accounts they matched us until the 80th minute or so.
The big test will be Sunday and Thursday.
48 Posted 27/09/2007 at 09:55:13
49 Posted 27/09/2007 at 10:03:22
50 Posted 27/09/2007 at 11:14:06
Moyes has changed us from relegation strugglers to mid table mediocrity.
We should be very grateful - as we wave him goodbye.
It’s all very well saying we had a good start to the season, but as Tony correctly points out, our "style" (LOL) relies heavily on luck, so we will have some good results, but we’ll never have consistency.
By half time last night I was hoping we’d get walloped to precipitate Moyes’s departure. Credit to Kenwright for loyalty, but time to recognise it’s misplaced - like a Hibbert pass.
As for asking dumb questions like "What would Tony do as manager?" - I’m sure he’d be the first to admit he’s no Premiership manager but that doesn’t stop him realising Moyes’s limitations.
As for questioning the "Evertonian -ness" of those of us who criticise Moyes - get a grip! I’ve been going to Goodison since 1960 and these days travel from London to my seat in the Street End for every home game. Just because I don’t want to tolerate mediocrity doesn’t make me disloyal - learn Latin!
51 Posted 27/09/2007 at 11:33:56
52 Posted 27/09/2007 at 12:17:07
I can’t believe that there as some fans who actually think that the football we play is half decent and will get better when arteta-cahill-graveson come back?
Were Shite Lad. The football we play is shite.
Don’t kid yourselves...
And it aint gonna change while Moyes is in charge.
I think, at the very least they should bring in another coach to help him Attacking football and Goalscoring tactics.
Otherwise face up to another five years of frustrating Shitty hoof-ball dross.
53 Posted 27/09/2007 at 12:54:32
Pass the baton on to someone like.....Steve Coppell
54 Posted 27/09/2007 at 12:18:59
55 Posted 27/09/2007 at 13:19:48
To other clubs, we are envied for having a secure management and consistent improvement with continual prospects for the future.
Take a step back and look at things.
56 Posted 27/09/2007 at 13:35:10
57 Posted 27/09/2007 at 13:53:41
But we’ve progressed under Moyes in terms of pure achievement. Mourinho, for example, has just been sacked for apparently not playing "expansive football". I’ll be very surprised if this new expansive Chelsea will be as successful as Mourinho was.
Moyes is all about gameplan and getting three points. Entertainment is a distant, secondary objective compared to this.
It’s not great for the purists who buy season tickets and expect their moneys worth - and I understand that - but i’d rather watch Everton as a stable and progressive football club than a side winning 5-2 one week and losing 6-3 the next few games - for example, see West Ham last season for how "expansive" football played by teams with the incorrect personnel can go very wrong.
Or Leeds of course.
58 Posted 27/09/2007 at 14:26:09
59 Posted 27/09/2007 at 15:59:17
i think every everton fan on the planet would agree with you that our brand of football is a little bit sunday league material.. but with players in midfield like nev..cars...jags...and osman isnt gonna set the world of light!! we know these players coulnt string 2 passes together if their life depended on it.. but moyes tried to get that 10 million midfielder only for the board penny pinching...AGAIN. now tony if you have a look at spurs they play very eye catching football and spent a fortune and there still shite..all the so called big teams have that 1 player in the team and on the bench that can control the game we dont...YET!!! in my opinion the 11 million spent on yak was much more needed in the middle of the park.. as for walter smith get a grip just look at the so called flair players like ginola in his 50s he brought in...your having a laugh mate!!! as for the so called everton fan that was hopeing everton would get beat to help pile the pressure on moyes...your not a true fan..go and support the red shite!!!
60 Posted 27/09/2007 at 16:45:30
If you want Moyes out then fair enough but why keep repeating it. We know your views so stop going on. If you had any knowledge about "our" club then you would contribute and make points that are worth reading but the fact of the matter is you dont.
To be honest, I love Everton. Always have always will no matter who is the manager is, no matter who the players are and no matter who owns the club. Yes I am negative but I am also positive if I see positivity.
I hate Kenwright and if there was something I could do to keep us in Liverpool I would but if I cant I will get on with it and go and support my team.
61 Posted 27/09/2007 at 17:50:58
62 Posted 27/09/2007 at 17:53:07
63 Posted 27/09/2007 at 18:04:54
64 Posted 27/09/2007 at 18:24:45
what i was saying if you can read that we cant play a passing game with nev..oz..cars..and jags in the middle.. its simple they are not center midfielders... none of them are international center midfields.. as for manny he didnt join because he was offered more money...and gonzalez was a smokescreen to get manny at a lower price!!! dont be silly mate think before you speak!!!
65 Posted 27/09/2007 at 18:29:50
66 Posted 27/09/2007 at 19:14:59
What im saying is that whatever players moyes works with or gets to the club it will be the same story of uninventive football.He just isnt that type of coach to get a team playing creativly.The squad he has now are more than well of playing with a lot lot more creativity than he is letting them.It comes from the training feild 1st.Players add to the quality.
67 Posted 27/09/2007 at 19:37:43
If Walter Smith is a better manager than David Moyes he sure didnt prove it at Goodison park which is all im interested in. Anything he done with Scotland and Rangers Im not interested in because that doesnt make us any better.
You want us to play like we did in the 80s? Well so would I but the fact of the matter is no realistic manager would make this current team play and win like that. Stop living in the past because football is completely different to the 80s and if you cant see that your deluded. Usually The more money you have the better quality player you get and we sadly do not have that money.
Anyone who disagrees with you is a Moyes/Kenwright/Kirkby lover and frankly thats not true. I hate Kenwright and cant wait till the day he is gone. Moyes isn’t the best manger in the world and has his flaws but at this moment in time it is too early to judge how this season is going to go. He has done a decent job so far and doesnt deserve to be sacked.
On the Kirkby situation yes I do love the area but not because of footballing reasons but because my mother grew up there and half my family live there. Although I grew up in Toxteth I hold Kirkby close to my heart for those reasons. I am completely against the ground move and that is why I voted NO so how can you call me a lover of this situation?
I respect your opinions but you must understand that you repeat yourself. All I am asking is that you stop continually harping on "Moyes Out" because it gets boring. Actually contribute in a way that is worth reading.
68 Posted 27/09/2007 at 23:39:48
69 Posted 28/09/2007 at 01:14:25
70 Posted 28/09/2007 at 02:01:46
Try and translate what your writing because to be honest I dont understand what you are talking about. Are you trying to offend me? If you are please do it properly and type in English.
Conner you Slimey---? What the fuck. Dont know whether Im supposed to laugh or cry.
Who is Michael and why would I want his number? Seriously translate because your not speaking my dialect. Speak english or even scouse and I will understand you but not jibberish you fucking idiot.
71 Posted 28/09/2007 at 07:55:19
jonathan i see your point, but it is a very poor observation.. i am currently undertaking part 3 of my coaching badge and i can tell you that you cant make a mini perform like a ferrai mate... you can only take a player so far with coaching,,, no matter what anybody might tell you with out natural talent your just not gona make the grade...and so it has proved!!!! yes as a coach you can teach the players to pass move with pace from back to front.. but with the current stock of midfielders its just not possible to do it on a regular basis!!!! i agree with blue shaun cook we had the money to get that flair player and didnt get one that is a major factor... i think moyes knows what is needed and what us fans want to see week in week out with our beloved everton playing attractive winning
what did your mate in the stand think when we banged in 3 goals!!! he was probly wearing his sunglasses in the second half mate!!!!!! e.f.c.forever
72 Posted 28/09/2007 at 11:16:15
I can remember seeing the tables which was ALWAYS accompanied with the phrase "any team from Everton downwards could be relegated", even if Everton were second in the league!!
It would be nice to acknowledge that he has moved us forward from then, but I would accept that the football in unacceptable.
If I was convinced that a new manager could get more out of the side, rather than us having another 5 years of "rebuilding" i’d jump at the chance. But I can’t see the future - nor can Tony.
As for his comments about the reserve team, Tony, try going to the game and tell us from experience rather than conjecture. Are they playing hoofball, are the youth team?
Finally, any idea of who you would accept as Manager given that we have little money to spend and Moyes has managed on a meagre budget better than most - remember Curbishley anyone, and all he did was kept Charlton treading water?
Sorry to piss on your parade, and yes you’re entitled to an opinion, but I dispare at your "analysis".
73 Posted 28/09/2007 at 12:01:21
I have no doubt that the win on Wednesday will have helped restore some confidence in our strikers and the shrewd substitutions made for the second -half indicated that,as ever,Davey is right on button as far as tactics are concerned.
74 Posted 28/09/2007 at 11:31:25
75 Posted 28/09/2007 at 10:51:57
For your information I have never met Tony but he strikes me as someone who genuinely cares about the fortunes of our club.
If you dont like what he writes dont read it, its that simple.
76 Posted 28/09/2007 at 13:47:32
For me an evertonian that loves the club talks about both the positives and negatives of the club. All I asked was that he could maybe give a more balanced view instead of being a boring bastard all the time and repeating "MOYES OUT" every five minutes. I dont understand how that is trotting out SHITE.
I will always read what Tony writes because on occasions he talks sense. I agree with him on Kenwright and also on the Kirkby move but I cant understand why he seems to not know anything else about our club.
I understand you are trying to forge a friendship with Tony as I have seen you sticking up for him before but please actually make sense before you jump into an discussion.
77 Posted 28/09/2007 at 14:21:51
78 Posted 28/09/2007 at 16:31:46
think the majority of evertonians would agree with you with kenwright out wyness out and kirby to be a non runner..
however moyes out??? not just yet. aj (london) comment was spot on..only a few years ago we were starving off relegation with the whole squads age average at 30 something!!! remember gough d.watson pembidge.gaza.ginola.ferguson.unsworth and co...so on and so on..... now however we have one of the best left backs in the country in baines..yobo lessot will become great in time, arteta OUTSTANDING aj the yak vaughan victor up front... tim the twitch in goal and the 3rd best goalscoring midfielder in the leauge in cahill.... the average age on the team is very young so come on tony credit where credit is due(with a very tight budget) i know you are going to point out some very dodgy buys but every manager makes mistakes...SIR alex jemba jemba.. kleberson...get my drift. however the football we play is poor but i think in time the ginger one might just get it right...
79 Posted 28/09/2007 at 16:38:45
I really dont think that you do understand football or you just arn,t listening to me.I to hold a coaching badges the uefa C and B,so like yourself are regurly involved in coaching,all be it at a lower level than we are talking about.I’l say it again,moyes is working with a lot more quality and talented players now and yet the pattern of play in all aspects remains very basic.Does he actually want good ball players i dont think so,he looks for players mainly who are athletic,direct,can tackle,play in a number of positions and will just fit into his little empire,where he continues to take credit for what hes doing(i dont know what mind)with a small squad which to me after 5 years his also his doing.This crop of players is surely capable of taking inventive corners or quick combinations in midfeild,overlapping,players changing positions etc,but they are simply not allowed.They are told get the ball in the channels or into the box as quickly as possible.Its Rubbish.As for the guy who says that moyes is tacticaly spot on then he must be smoking something everytime he watches the team play.MOYES OUT!MOYES OUT!MOYES OUT
80 Posted 28/09/2007 at 17:43:37
Evertonians are usually optimistic aswell as realistic whereas you are boring and negative. I very much doubt you protest and I very much doubt you go to Goodison park. If you sat by me a showed the negativity you you show on this website then you would be kicked out the stadium by me or someone else around my area in the St end.
How are we a club in decline? I agree with you on the Kirkby and Kenwright situations but not at all with matters on the pitch. We are going through a patch due to injuries and lack of form aswell as a few tactical mistakes. Every manager makes mistakes. Your man Rafa Benitez dropped Torres and persists with rotation, Wenger’s team lacks a physical presence and no heart, Ferguson is negative away from home in europe and Jol makes poor substitutions. Everyone makes mistakes its part of the parcel of being a human.
There are many positives in our club. We have a decent manager, we broke our transfer record again, we have players like Arteta, Lescott, Yobo, Pienaar, Howard, Baines, Johnson, Jagielka, Gravesen, Yakubu and Osman all players at reasonable ages who will only improve us.
You talk about Moyes’s achievements and for me he has done a decent job. No he has not won anything but either have Jol, Allardyce, Hughes, Redknapp etc who all manage clubs on a similar level to ours. Who would you want in? Name a realistic manager not in a job who would come and make us play like the 80s team as you want.
The football hasnt been brillaint but not as bad as you say. Last season we played well agianst Newcastle, Arsenal, Blackburn, Luton, Portsmouth, Fulham, Chelsea, Spurs, Aston Villa and Liverpool and a few more so it has not been that bad.
As I have said go back to THISISANFIELD.COM and stop bothering decent evertonians who actually want to talk sense about the club we love.
81 Posted 28/09/2007 at 17:49:42
lol lol lol about the the last comment,, your spot on mate!! his tatics are bemusing the majority of the time.. as for the better qualility of player in the squad im not so sure...would osman nev cars or jags get into any of the top ten teams midfield????? not a chance in heaven!!!
moyes buys these sorts of players to cover up a very small squad... he dosnt have the funds to buy a 20 million midfield a top class striker and a right back that can string a 10 yard pass:) the one big mistake that was made was not getting that star center midfielder that we have always needed... when manny was in the team we played much better football...would you agree with that comment???? probly not! but we did...he demanded the ball from the defenders..he wanted it..the current crop just dont want the ball with there back to goal!!
and ive always agreeded with use lot with the brand of football...and if you saw the villa game we had 57 pecent of the ball which is not bad for any away team... moyes knows what is needed..he has took us from relegation to top 10 or 6...but we now need to push on...without big funds its just not going to happen not matter what manager is in charge!!! 2.0 to the toffees on sunday
82 Posted 28/09/2007 at 20:13:54
83 Posted 28/09/2007 at 22:07:17
84 Posted 28/09/2007 at 22:36:46
Narrow minded Moyes lovers? Is that all you can throw at us if we dont agree with you? If you had actually read what I wrote you would see my view on the football: its not brilliant but its not awful. Its very similar to the likes of Blackburn, West ham, Villa, Newcastle and Portsmouth aswell as maybe Chelsea. Alot of those teams moan about the style of there football so no it is not just us.
Anyway, its not all down to David Moyes. Maybe it has something to do with the players. The players have there own minds and bodies and at the end of the day talent wins you games. Do we have that talent? I think we have enough talent to do better than last season but breaking into the top 4 im not so sure.
What would you rather have entertainment or results? I we played shit and won every week I would be more happy than seeing a team play well and lose. I agree we have to play better and be more consistent but I am willing to let the team get everyone back and kick on. I will judge when the season is not so premature. In other words, when we get our best team on the pith consistently I will judge what level we are at a where we are going.
I am ambitious and am hoping to see some improvement on last year but you have to be realistic. I dont think we have the players to win the league or break into the top four but thats just my opinion. I hope we do and I hope the football improves but for me it is far to early to be saying "MOYES OUT".
85 Posted 29/09/2007 at 08:49:19
Look,we are not playing shit every week and winning,so that blows that theory of yours out of the water.
Players have their own bodies, but how the team plays in terms of how they pass, move, attack, defend etc is down to the manager only. MOYES!
We wont win the league with this squad I know, but there are some very good footballers at the club now who ARE NOT BEING GIVEN THE CHANCE TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES, and therefore what im saying is that the style of play has NOT changed in Moyes 5 years and wont change even if we get Ronaldo and Kaka etc in.
How you can say we are similar to Blackburn is Behond me, they played us off the park last year in terms of foootball, West Ham and Newcastle play more football than us, and Chelsea can be a long ball team, even though they ain't as they have won the league twice in the last three seasons, so that backs your theory of playing shit and winning, only we don't win anything.
What manager sends a team out to play a small Ukraine side, with 3 strikers, with no game plan in how they are going to work together, therefore they had no quality service from the likes of Hibbert who he asked to provide our only form of width on the right, hence we didn't trouble their keeper apart from long range or set pieces (Moyes's specialities) It's worring.
I admire your loyalty; the season is young, Moyes's time in charge isn't, and nothing has changed apart from our squad is better now, hence we should be playing better football, but we are not.
86 Posted 29/09/2007 at 17:55:05
I am Hoping we will improve and I hope you feel the same no matter who is manager of our football club. Lets hope for a win tommorow.
87 Posted 29/09/2007 at 18:07:35
Tony writes with passion about the club we all support,sometimes it boils over into a rant but its passionate none the less.
Thats what I expect from every one of us and I like his style of writing, hence I will support it when I think people are having a go.
Lets be fair Connor,you have been very personal with Tony telling him to fuck off and support the shite is plain insulting.
Why is your opinion more valid than Tony,s ?
He wants the lads to play a bit of football,something thats all to infrequent under Moyes, I want the same thing and I am sure you do too. Anyway enuff already enjoy the game tomorrow.
Blue Heaven,I got told real good,thanks for that,it really brought my day down, not.
88 Posted 29/09/2007 at 19:27:07
89 Posted 29/09/2007 at 19:32:43
90 Posted 29/09/2007 at 19:34:47
On the bad language I apoligize but we are all men here. Have you not heard Tony or others telling people to fuck off? Well I have and to be honest it doesnt really bother me.
My opinion nor any one elses is more important than Tony but I think he should give more balanced views on the club he loves. Is that to hard to ask? I think you are confusing passion with plain negativity if you ask me. But as you have said its a game of opinions so we will agree to disagree.
Anyway, enjoy the game and hopefully we will get the win and play some decent stuff.
91 Posted 29/09/2007 at 19:50:24
92 Posted 29/09/2007 at 20:12:06
Progressing on Thursday will settle things back down. Fail to do so and there will be a lot of unhappy fans.
Lightning strikes twice in the European Qualifying rounds? I hope not but its bound to be a moody 0-0.
93 Posted 30/09/2007 at 20:23:48
94 Posted 30/09/2007 at 20:55:47
Posted 26/09/2007 at 17:50:35 All you ?there?s no problem here? bell ends - just wait till the derby and see how how we get on then. Because if we continue to play as we have been, we?ll get torn apart.
Whereas Reading - a team who are not intrinsically better players than those at everton - by passing the ball - gave the shite a fair old run for their money last night.
Reading: 11 GOALS CONCEDED IN 2 GAMES? I know I have the benefit of hindsight, but even this bellend ( to use his own terminology ) knew about the first 4 goals when he sent this post. Let’s sack Moyes and bring in that Toffeeweb chestnut Steve Coppell! He’s being found out this season, but he’s proving ( unwillingly! )that any success is based on a sound defence which is one of Moyes’ cornerstones.
Would you rather win 2-0, play only in patches and have a few let offs and be fifth, or score 4, but let in 7 and find yourselves fourth from bottom. No brainer.
Yes, Moyes confounds us playing some people out of position and needs assistance with giving the players he freedom to express themselves, but ON BALANCE, he’s still doing a good job. Given time, it will fall into place.
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