ToffeeWeb - Season 2008-09

Thomas Reed
1 Posted 30/08/2008 at 19:41:27

I agree mate, I don?t think our defence is helping him out but the players need a bit of good vibes off the manager at the moment and when they look at Moyes they are not gettin it. We have 2 weeks before we play again now so c?mon Moyes ? get a grip and stop mopin' around!

Dave moorcroft
2 Posted 30/08/2008 at 19:50:26

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His head looks fucked up.

Jay Harris
3 Posted 30/08/2008 at 19:55:28

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I watched him at the end of the game today going around shaking all the player’s hands.

I just hope that’s not what I think it is.

Dan Mckie
4 Posted 30/08/2008 at 19:50:56

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Does one of his eyes look bloodshot? He kept having long blinks and his eyes looked watery! He might be under the weather, be working very hard at the moment and seriously could not be arsed with nosey journalists! Then again, that wouldn’t satisfy all the ’Moyes is leaving cos we have no cash and BK is a liar’ brigade would it?

Chris Brazell
5 Posted 30/08/2008 at 19:54:24

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I saw that interview as well. He looked completely cheesed off and underwhelmed by the prospect of going into a new season with his new second rate signings. To be honest I don?t blame him. He may not be perfect but he?s worked wonders since he took over. I hope Bill?s 24/7 search for investment achieves something soon!

Dave Moorcroft
6 Posted 30/08/2008 at 19:56:08

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I should have said,As the rest of us.

Justin Widdop
7 Posted 30/08/2008 at 20:10:41

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I too saw him shaking all the players hands after the game and it does have me wondering...

Mike Hughes
8 Posted 30/08/2008 at 20:03:37

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I?ve just viewed it but wouldn?t read too much into it. I think he had something in his eye and that was probably his priority there and then rather than the interviewer. Something doesn?t appear right at EFC right now (understatement or what?) - but clearly us supporters are not fully informed of what?s going on. Those last few signings were not on anybody?s radar and I think there?s one too many (inevitable) conspiracy theories right now. I?m pleased we?ve got a 2 week break. We need reinforcements but let?s play people in position. IMO the defence from right to left should be: Neville Yobo Jagielka Lescott - we?ve shipped 6 goals at Goodison in 2 games so let?s get the defence sorted asap. Then DM might raise a smile.

Ray Said
9 Posted 30/08/2008 at 20:00:02

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It?s at times like this that a great manager rallies the troops and the senior pro?s step up. The body language on show over the last few days says it all. The Manager seemed to sit on his hands all game today and it looked to me as if he has all but given up.

Meanwhile, the senior pro?s were put to shame by the get stuck in attitude of Vaughan and Rodwell. I think one of the signs of decline in Moyes (and I must declare here that i have always thought he is very over rated ? we have sacked managers for turning out better football than Moyes team has ever played) control over his players is evidenced by Lescott being moved back to the midddle of defence instead of playing playing left back where he benefits the team most.

I have no doubt that Moyes is a hard working guy and is feeling the effects of trying to pull a team together but he needs to get control and give everyone a lift right now and, to me, it doesn't look like he can do that. If he can't motivate the players to perform then what use is he to EFC? I really think he should be moved on. Instead of people feeling sorry for him, we should be demanding that he earns his wages and stop moping around like a spoiled bitch.

Andy Crooks
10 Posted 30/08/2008 at 20:07:19

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David Moyes seems like a man at the end og his tether. It seems to me that he has been loyal to Bill Kenwright because Kenwright stood by him when things were tough. I wouldn?t blame him were he to go but if he does then let him do one last favour for the supporters.
Tell us the truth about that useless luvvy Kenwright and how he has destroyed the club this summer.

Garry Martin
11 Posted 30/08/2008 at 20:21:27

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I?ve noticed this lack of positiveness in DM for the last couple of months & at this season's games there is definite lack of coaching /commitment/motivation and the usual balling from the sidelines. I believe DM has other things on his mind, his mind appears somewhere else - to me its a "should I go or should I stay" expression. Perhaps he?s got an offer in the pipeline, remember, he?s still not signed his contract.

Trevor Lynes
12 Posted 30/08/2008 at 20:33:30

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DeFoe was the main difference plus of course the great saves by James..but that was the best we have played so far..Ok the defence were at fault for a couple of goals but we had our chances and did not take any..We kept possesion and tried to play the ball on the ground..our best player was Baines by a mile. I would like to see him in wide midfield with our normal back four as Im sure we would be more comfortable..Jags is a defender and thats it. He should be played at centre back with Joe and Lescott behind Baines. We desperately need a motivator and Im afraid Arteta is not yet back to form. Watching Arsenal later was like a feast following a Pizza hut offering. When you consider Clichy, Sagna, Fabregas and Toure cost less than AJ on his own..it shows what a decent scouting staff can do..Moutinho is a must or we will be mid table at best. The money lost by losing so many league places must be well worth forking out some decent money and bringing at least one top quality player to our club.

Jeff Leahey
13 Posted 30/08/2008 at 20:44:28

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The head says let's do one; the heart says I?ll have to stay. I think he can see 5 years of hard graft go up in smoke. We?re short of the cash needed to push on. I think Moysey will give it sometime for the new players to come in and see if they make any difference; if the results don?t improve, I think for the sake of his reputation and health I think he?ll jack it, with a heavy heart. And who would blame him.

Dave Moorcroft
14 Posted 30/08/2008 at 20:49:30

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I would not blame Moyes for the shit we're in. The blame lies right outside Kenwright's door. He's fucked the people over goodo and now the truth is about to come out he's fucked Moyes over goodo. The danger is if Moyes walks it makes it worse, because no other manager who would improve us will come here, because he won't have a penny to spend. Kenwright is a good conman. He has started the downward path what his mate Wyness was talking about when he said we will be playing Marine.

Ray Burn
15 Posted 30/08/2008 at 21:20:11

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Looks like he’s just discovered Toffeeweb.

Sid Logan
16 Posted 30/08/2008 at 21:17:49

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DM appears to be displaying classic stress symptoms. That double blink is not something he?s ever exhibited before. The lack of transfer results is clearly wearing him down. This is a crucial stage in his Everton career and he has undoubtably been undermined intentionally or otherwise by the Everton board.

mike carlisle
17 Posted 30/08/2008 at 21:46:04

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It’s glaringly obvious that he is unbelievably fucked off by people within the club at this moment who have been dealing with finances/transfers etc. I wont be surprised if he quits if we don’t get at least two of the players he had on his plan rather than the make weights he’s getting on frees at the moment. Kenwright is certainly quiet at the moment....

Mike Hughes
18 Posted 30/08/2008 at 21:47:51

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sid - "classic stress symptoms......double blink" Are you having a laugh? Methinks he had something in his eye. The red colour of it was a clue......

Mike Oates
19 Posted 30/08/2008 at 21:54:21

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He took his eye (forget the pun) off the ball in June and whewn he came back the transfer list he’d left Kenwright and Wyness was still there. They’d by then realised they didnt ahve anywhere near enough monies to get the "quality players" BUT Moyes refused to budge on quality and messed about for all July and left it too late to get decent mediocre players. He’s now paying the price and he knows now that he was wrong on not reacting quicker and he also knows now that Everton will never be the club to fulfill his ambition to manage a side in the CL.

Big question is when will he walk - I suspect at the end of this season but Bill will know shortly when he refuses to sign his new contract - but we’ll be told nowt.

Marc Williams
20 Posted 30/08/2008 at 22:16:13

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Don?t worry everyone, apparently its all going to be OK as Bill Kenright has been given a new phone number to call 24/7 :

?Calling INTERNATIONAL RESCUE; this is agent Blue Bill calling International Rescue, come in please ? we have a catastrophy at Goodison Park ?

If anyone has the phone number for the A-Team, could they pass it on to Ian Ross. At least then we?ll also have a Plan B!!!

Simon Walker
21 Posted 30/08/2008 at 22:51:40

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That’s the same conference as on Everton tv, though a little bit closer, looks like he’s got cold in his eye and sounds a bit groggy, hopefully that’s the extent of his Misery.

Forever Positive. COYB

Richard Murray
22 Posted 30/08/2008 at 23:19:41

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Looks like we?re getting Henrik Larsson... according to Sky Sports.

Ged Jennings
23 Posted 31/08/2008 at 00:11:30

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Imagine how pissed off we all are, and how much it hurts us and Moyes must be feeling exactly the same way. Have we all not sulked or moaned in work about the state of Everton the last few months? No wonder Moyes is.

If he did walk now, as some suggest, who would we get in? There isn?t one manager out there who could do his job on his resources over the period he has done at Everton the last five years. Nobody. I do not believe he is never wrong but I do believe that if Big Sam or Peter Reid or Slaven Bilic or Alan Irvine or whoever came in, could not do any better!

From where I am sitting I see a very pissed off fella who is watching all his graft and hard work go up in smoke because of the ineptitude of others above and around him. The question will surely be answered Tuesday when I personally believe we would have spent NOTHING whether he stays or not ? but I hope to God he does!

Mark Ramshaw
24 Posted 31/08/2008 at 01:07:25

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I'm sorry but I'm fucking gutted! Why? What have we ever done to deserve this! Bastard!!!

Doug Nestor
25 Posted 31/08/2008 at 01:53:34

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Yeah .... we're all pissed off but not on £30 grand a week... Makes it easier I?d say.

Andrew Hicks
26 Posted 31/08/2008 at 01:30:33

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I?ll never forget some of the early quotes coming from Moyes when he first arrived. I remember him stating he needed mountaineers and that some of the players weren?t strong enough.

My favorite quote of his that I think about all the time is when he declared "I know where I?m going, the question is, are you coming with me?"

Thats when I knew he was pretty special. 5 years on we can see he delivered on what he was aiming for and took a relegation battling team into Europe regularly. Hope he stays!!!

IMWT
COYB

Mike Dillon
27 Posted 31/08/2008 at 04:51:30

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Does anyone really blame him?

He wanted to kick on from finishing fifth. He wanted to sign players of caliber. He was promised the cash to do so (allegedly) and wasn’t given it. He’s dejectedly having to shop around the bargain basement just so he doesn’t field a team of teenagers.

Wouldn’t you be pissed off?

john king
28 Posted 31/08/2008 at 07:20:37

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moyes walks alladyce in. his old no2 is already here

Shaun Nesbitt
29 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:17:26

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If you watch the whole interview on Everton t.v and read between the lines it actually tells u all you need to know about the state of the club. He certainly doesn’t sound like a man whos about to break the transfer record and sign Moutinho. He was asked if he signed quality with the signings his made. His reply. ’we needed numbers, that’s what we’ve done added numbers’. Do i need to say anymore???

Marty Boggs
30 Posted 31/08/2008 at 10:44:22

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I?ve said all summer that he?s just waiting to do one to Man Utd as No 2 ? everybody laughed at me but not now, eh ?!! Think about it: this "will he / won?t he" saga on his £60k a week contract has gone on all summer. Look at him in the transfer market... 2005 revisited anybody!

I have been doing a job on a certain member of the Board's house no not BK, RE or PG and was told that he (Moyes) has had £35m all summer but won?t spend it because he only has plan A, Moutinho & Love, and no plan B. The four players we?ve brought so far are down to Steve Round?s contacts and Alan Stubbs (Larsson). Moyes has lost the dressing room AGAIN and it?s only thanks to Phill Nevilles efforts that Arteta, Yakubu, Vaughan & Cahill haven?t walked.

Now for all I know this board member may have been feeding me total bull but I was there long enough to think he was telling me and my workmates (two of whom are Mancs) the truth. I may well get slated if I?m wrong and I hope I am... only time will tell.

Nick Heady
31 Posted 31/08/2008 at 12:28:37

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Moyes to me looks like a man with something in his eye.

Doug Nestor
32 Posted 31/08/2008 at 08:09:51

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I can't understand what is up with Moyes.... He know's what the situation is with the club but still play's the hard done to party... what is he up to? Is he in it for himself or what?

Looking at yesterday with the players he had available, I don't think he did his job. Call it self-pity but he had a decent side (not great) to pick from in relative positions and he failed... why???

I myself feel his attitude has got to be filtering it way down to the playing staff.

Julie Naybour
33 Posted 31/08/2008 at 15:37:13

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Ray Burn - many a true word said in jest. His whole body language looks to me like a man saying that I’m doing this interview because I’ve got to but due to circumstances beyond my control, it’s not going to have anything to do with me much longer.
If he is leaving, I am sure there are many reasons but the utter negativity and lack of appreciation for what he has done for us that is continually dipslayed on this website, will I am sure have contributed to the decision.
If he does go, we will really have something to moan about and those who wanted him gone - be careful what you wish for because I’ve no idea who would do a better job. So those with any sense, and many have already started to do so, please start shouting louder than the anti-Moyes brigade and lets start trying to entice him to stay!

Matt Thomas
34 Posted 31/08/2008 at 16:18:30

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Judging by the way Moyes seems at the moment, its similar to Joe Royle being scared to make a decision, and especially like Joe when there was no funds to sign Tore Andre Flo and Barry Horne. The only thing missing from the same scenario is The Echo’s disgraceful attitude towards him, how long before they do the same.

Phil Taylor
35 Posted 31/08/2008 at 18:31:41

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Everton manager David Moyes: "We are not in condition to win Premier League matches. We have not got players in the right slots and senior players are not playing the way they should be."

I find it hard to believe a manager putting up the white flag but Everton's manager has.... Question is has he had the money to spend all summer and dithered? Or did thre board withhold it??? My bet's on he dithered awaiting the big names; he could've got in loans and frees all summer. Is its Moyes fault??? And why has he not signed his new deal???

Kieran Fitzgerald
36 Posted 31/08/2008 at 18:41:57

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I think the rot set in after the second Fiorentina game last season. I remember posting a piece three or four league games after that Uefa Cup game wondering about Moyes motivational skills. We had been awful for those games since the Fiorentina game. I think I counted out another five or six league games until the end of the season and saying that it would be a huge chunk of the league campaign where the manager did not seem able to motivate the team. As it turns out a scrappy draw against Villa and an end of season win against Newcastle were the only real highlights of that ten-odd game run. That was a ten-game run where Moyes did not seem able to lift the team and get things going again.

Three games into the new season and the same set of players from last season do not appear to be any more motivated by their manager. This makes me worried about where Moyes?s head has been at since last March. Also, it would worry me as to how the new signings are going to be treated and about how well they are going to respond.

Jay Harris
37 Posted 31/08/2008 at 19:14:49

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Kieran
I have the same take on approximate timescale but would paint a different scenario.
McFadden was sold in january (probably against Moyes wishes) and he wasnt allowed to get a replacement in.
Brian Williams posted recently that he had a contact in the accounts department that said we didnt have enough for the wage bill in January so that’s why McFadden was sold. I dont know if that’s true or not but ask yourself why AJ was sold so suddenly and apparently against his and Moyes wishes if we had 35 million sat in the bank all summer.

The only thing that is apparent is that Kenwright tells lies,Moyes doesnt and for those that are blaming Moyes it is club policy for the CEO/board to buy players not Moyes. In fact it seems to have dropped on Moyes toes in the last couple of weeks because nobody else was doing anything.

Marty Boggs
38 Posted 31/08/2008 at 20:20:59

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Jay, so Moyes doesn?t have a say in the buying and selling of players? Really, then no wonder we?re in the mess we?re in if non-football people are picking the players we buy!!

C?mon Jay, every time you post something you have to turn it round to being Kenwright's fault. I?m no fan, but get real ? no manager would allow the board to pick who we are buying. No, mate the mess the team is in is down to Moyes, full stop. He?s the manager/head coach, he decides on the tactics, formation etc ?not the board.

Also the person to blame for AJ?s sale is AJ & Mrs AJ they both HATED living oop North.

Oh and Jay, why hasn?t Moyes signed his big fat contract? The board have offered him serious wedge there... he?s waiting to join Rooney up the M62.

And read my post properly; the reason he hasn?t spent the money is that, like the board on DK, he has no plan B if as looks likely Moutinho isn?t allowed to sign, same as 2005.

Stop taking the easy way and blaming the board on this one ? the buck stops with Moyes as far as team matters are concerned. His statements and body language suggest he doesn?t care anymore and wants to go and if he does thanks for the memories and see you later. If not stop feeling so fucking sorry for yourself get your head up and get on with it !!

Cal Newcombe
39 Posted 31/08/2008 at 20:37:03

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This summer as been like waiting for results from the doctor; if cancer is there or not...

Colin Martin
40 Posted 31/08/2008 at 20:34:41

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Moyes looks totally pissed off, but what does he think the fans are like, we must be the most loyal fans in the country to put up with this shit. We paid for are season tickets in April and have seen no return for it. DM has taken efc to that next level with a limited fund (in Europe again), The question is... WHERE HAS ALL THE MONEY GONE???

Jason Lam
41 Posted 01/09/2008 at 03:05:36

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If Moyes was holding out for Man Utd he would be a right arrogant cunt. Look at what the lure of the manure done to those in the past: Ince, Bosnich, and of course Rooney. I think he’s showing signs we just lost the battle to sign the players we wanted. It’s target 40 points and the good old days of the 90s! I feel 10 years younger already!

Ged Jennings
42 Posted 01/09/2008 at 08:35:29

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One of the comments people always spout is ’oh it must be really hard on 30 grand a week’ or whatever, but that is all so relative. There will be people writing on here on minimum wage and others on a grand a week and that makes no difference to how they feel about Everton. It is just the going rate their job pays, same as Moyes.

Ask yourselves a question re his new contract. If he was aware that behind the scenes things wasn’t spot on then why would he sign it? It would be like a manager of Kwik Save or Sayers six months ago pledging his/her future to a company dying on its feet. Not very clever.

I think Moyes (for his faults) is pretty honourable and wants to do the best job possible, but it seems like he isnt able to.

Jay Harris
43 Posted 01/09/2008 at 13:57:25

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Marty
I’m not saying Moyes does not "Choose" the players he woud like but he CERTAINLY is NOT involved in the negotiations to get them here nor providing the money to do the deal.

If you and your builder mates are correct and 35 million has been there all summer why are we getting loan players and out of contract players that Moyes is totally unhappy with and why did we let McFadden and Johnson go.

FYI Johnson told a group of supporters that he did not want to go and was setlled in the North West.FFS would you want to go to Fulham if you had the choice.

I am sorry if it upsets you but Kenwright and his mates are responsible for the way the club is run and that is totally atrociously.Just read the shareholders questions for the board if you think it’s only me that’s unhappy with Kenwright.

Daniel Miller
44 Posted 01/09/2008 at 16:16:55

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Sad to say it but

Dead man walking

Jim Lloyd
45 Posted 01/09/2008 at 19:46:46

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Marty, I could be wrong but, as I understand it, the manager hands over his a, b and maybe c lists and the CEO and Chairman do the negotiating or they get an agent to do it. Mind you, whoever’s done the negotiating, I hope they don’t negotiate our wage rise!

Ste McKenny
46 Posted 01/09/2008 at 20:31:50

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Moyes does look like most of us going into work on a Monday morning, knackered, bloodshot eyes and slightly rough lookin... Only thing is, his fucking hangover has lasted all bleedin? summer. To late now I know but either put up or shut up; Kenwright the man needs dough. If the likes of Man City can be taken over twice in about 2 or 3 years, why oh why can?t we. I?m not saying anything that hasn?t been said a thousand times but stop given the loyal fans of this once great club bullshite about waiting for a multi-millionaire, oh no, it's a multi-billionaire now isn?t it Mr Kenwright. Love these moveable goalposts, me...