Starting eleven?

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Okay I know it's very early but there isn't much really interesting to write about just yet...

Considering the possibility that Pienaar is signed and Rodwell is fully fit now, what do you think will be Moyes's first starting eleven against Man Utd?

My own selection would be:

Howard
Hibbert, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Pienaar, Rodwell, Fellaini, Gibson
Naismith and Jelavic.

Subs; Mucha, Cahill, Distin, Barkley, Gueye.

Of course not including Coleman and Moyes's perennial favourites Osman and Neville will cause consternation so let's see how everyone else feels?

Tom Bowers, Brampton, Ontario     Posted 07/07/2012 at 21:25:52

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Michael Kenrick
704 Posted 08/07/2012 at 01:44:38
Maybe them two could be subs? Or have we gone back down to five again?

I can't really think of anyone else, so you might have nailed it — unless all 300 rumoured links this summer come good?

It does show what a small squad we have though...

Tony Rice
712 Posted 08/07/2012 at 04:34:17
Cahill is suspended
Jackie Barry
714 Posted 08/07/2012 at 05:23:21
Gibson is no winger and Rodwell will have to do a lot to dislodge him from middle.
Martin Mason
715 Posted 08/07/2012 at 06:06:24
And they'll never play 4-4-2
Anthony Flack
717 Posted 08/07/2012 at 07:39:42
For me hard to leave Osman out after last year, second half of season, except for semi he was great

Howard
Hibbert Distin Heitinga Baines
Naismith Gibson Osman Pienaar
Fellani
Jelavic

Subs Mucha, Barkley, Neville, Rodwell, Jags, Anichebe

Phil McKeown
720 Posted 08/07/2012 at 07:55:25
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
[New Signing] Gibson Fellaini Pienaar
Naismith

Jelavic

Mucha Neville Distin Coleman Rodwell Osman Anichebe

A right winger is imperative, everyone has included Pienaar too which really has to happen as we have no natural wide men.

Timothy Liu
723 Posted 08/07/2012 at 08:36:26
Howard
Hibbert Distin Heitinga Baines
Gibson Rodwell
Naismith Fellaini (Pienaar)
Jelavić

Subs: Mucha, Cahill, Osman, Jagielka, Anichebe, Neville, Anichebe

Dunno if Fellaini will be played in an advanced role or not. A few excellent games is not enough for me to be 100% sure. If not then Cahill, Osman and Naismith are choices for the "second striker" position.

Sam Hoare
725 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:00:58
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka/Distin Heitinga Baines
Naismith Gibson Rodwell/Osman Pienaar
Fellaini
Jelavic

For me this is our strongest team.

Jagielka or Distin depends on form and degree to which the opposition is likely to go aerial. I would have Distin in for likes of Stoke, for example.

Osman or Rodwell depends on need for creativity or solidity. When playing lesser opposition likely to park the bus, I'd probably play Osman but otherwise I'm hoping Rodwell really comes to the fore this season in a box-to-box role.

Jason Heng
726 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:11:08
For Moyes, our strongest side is the one that counters the opponents' strongest side. So it all depends on whom SAF plays.
Dave Wilson
729 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:36:54
Wonder how he will counter "ultra attacking" Fergie if he plays Rooney to just in front of his defence, in the Carsley role. Like he did last time they came to Goodison
Mike Allison
730 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:39:45
Gibson on the left and Pienaar on the right? Neither of them have ever started a game in those positions for Everton as far as I'm aware. If Pienaar's here he will be on the left, I think Distin will start and Fellaini and Gibson will definitely play in the middle. Moyes tends not to play new signings straight away so I don't see Naismith as a guaranteed starter even though Cahill is suspended.

I'd say Anthony Flack (717) is the closest guess although the right hand side is very much up for grabs. Anichebe, Coleman, Barkley or a new signing could all play there, as could Osman if we go for Rodwell in the middle.

Brian Foley
731 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:12:18
I would like to see players in their best positions. In case my formation doesn't come out right graphically it's 4-1-3-2 (on paper) defending, say Naismith pulling deeper filling in for Rodwell who does the same for Gibson who goes deeper again for example. Corners against us sees Fellaini in there too Pienaar floating Naismith on the edge Jelavic edge of centre circle if he gets it (and continues to hold up the ball as well as he can) Pienaar and Naismith to support any counter attack at pace, Neville and Baines to overlap on breaks and of course in normal attacking mode which Baines is great at anyway. As for the bench any from Mucha Distin Hibbert Osman Coleman Barkley Gueye Cahill and Anichebe. The end.

Howard
Neville Jagielka Heitinga Baines Gibson
Rodwell Fellaini Pienaar
Naismith Jelavic
John Ford
734 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:53:22
I can't see Rodwell getting in ahead of Osman, and nor should he based on his most recent performances.
Kunal Desai
736 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:55:37
You can't have Rodwell starting with the injury record he has. So for me it has to be Osman starting. Can Naismith play wide on the right? Maybe look to play Gueye on the right.
John Crook
738 Posted 08/07/2012 at 10:02:27
Howard
Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines
Naismith Gibson Fellani Pienaar
Osman
Jelavic

Subs Mucha Neville Jagielka Barkley Rodwell Prajnic Vellios

Barry Rathbone
740 Posted 08/07/2012 at 10:17:58
I would imagine the only certainty is Naismith will be sub.

(gradual introduction .... blah, blah)

Ian Bennett
742 Posted 08/07/2012 at 10:22:33
Howard
Neville
Baines
Distin
Heitinga
Pienaar
Gibson
Fellaini
Osman
Naismith
Jelavic
Ryan Holroyd
749 Posted 08/07/2012 at 11:05:08
Howard
Neville Jagielka Distin Baines
Naismith Osman Gibson Pienaar
Fellaini
Jelavic
Denis Richardson
750 Posted 08/07/2012 at 10:59:43
Wont happen but I'd be interested to see what the below formation could/would do:

Howard
Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
Gibson Fellaini
Naismith Osman Pienaar
Jelavic

Subs: Mucha, Rodwell, Hibbert, Barkely, Coleman, Vellios, Rodallega(?)

If the three behind Jelavic and provide good movement (ala Spain stlye - dont laugh!), then I think this would be a progressive attack minded formation whilst still giving plenty of defensive cover with Gibson and Fellaini screening the back 4. Can rotate Barkely for Osman or Naismith for Rodallega to make it even more attacking. Could really do with a pacey RB though..

Above formation will never happen I know...

Ryan Holroyd
753 Posted 08/07/2012 at 11:16:44
Denis, we've often played the above formation. I suggest next season you start to read the Executioners Bong website. It's excellent. And you might even learn something.
Paul David
754 Posted 08/07/2012 at 11:14:09
I like playing with wide men but we dont have any so with the players we have I would use a 4-3-1-2 formation:

Howard
Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines
Gibson Fellaini Rodwell
Naismith
Vellios Jelavic

I would like to see what Coleman could do at right back as neither Neville or Hibbert are good enough but because he's never played there for us I've left Hibbert in.

Osman could play instead of Rodwell as there's not much between them or even take Vellios's place but swap positions with Naismith.

When you look at our squad to decide who were our strongest 11 are you realise how weak we are, a couple of injuries to key players and theres simply no one to replace them.

David Hallwood
755 Posted 08/07/2012 at 11:43:43
Once again we have the perennial conundrum of who plays on the right, a solution is to use the current flavour of the month 4-3-3 ( new? didn’t we play like that in the 60’s-early ‘70’s), however I don’t think our Davey would go from using one attacker to three. My guess would be unless he brings Donovan or Johnson or some other player that can operate on the right, it will be Osman in the role he played in the latter part of last season, starting on the right but with more of a floating role.

Assuming that Pienaar is a done deal (and that’s a big assumption) my starting line up is: (roll on the drums)
Howard
Hibbert/Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
Osman Gibson Fellani Pienaar
Messi Jelavic.

That’s spellchecker for ya’ — You put Naismith in and Messi comes out!

Ian Bennett
756 Posted 08/07/2012 at 12:11:36
If Vidic is out we have to play Fellaini up front. Ferdinand struggles against brawn.
Steve Jones
761 Posted 08/07/2012 at 12:18:53
Isn't the problem here that we are fresh out of dedicated wingers? The assumption is we'll have Pienaar or, at least, one of either Pranjic or Rodawhotists from Wigan, but, there are no guarantees on any of them as far as I can see?

If we have no natural width why are we looking at formations that require wingers?.

-----------------Howard------------------
-----------------------------------------
-Hibbo-------Jags------Heitinga----Baines
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------Gibson------------------
------Rodwell---------------Osman--------
-------------------Fellaini--------------------
-------------------------------------------------
-----------Naismith-------------------------
-----------------------Jelavic----------------

The way I see it we have the players for a narrow diamond. Hibbo has been better for the last couple of seasons getting up the wing and Baines obviously offers plenty there to give us some width. Both Rodwell and Osman can run with the ball... Osman gets shoved off it too easily but with Fellaini, Naismith and Jelavic ahead of him he should have passing options.

Off the ball we'd be narrow and a lot would be placed on Gibson, Osman and Rodwell to keep alert and fill in the gaps. We would have decent attacking options though....even without the wide options... from the long ball out of defence up to Fellaini, on the 'point-of-the-lance', for the knockdown or the pass out to Gibbo to go out to either of the running midfielders to carry the ball forward on the ground.

Give Naismith a free role behind Jelavic to receive the knock-on from Fellaini or to be available for the pass from the runners and, very quickly, you are giving the opposing defence a big job covering all the angles. They've got to try and stop the second ball from Fellaini, track Naismith and cover Jelavic and be alert for the goal threat from Osman and Rodwell plus watch out for long-range artillery from Gibson!

Not very fashionable but, if the situation with the wingers doesn't get sorted out, we've definitely got options.

Jay Harris
763 Posted 08/07/2012 at 13:39:54
If we do not get Pienaar or another wide player before the start of the season, I would try Baines at left midfield:

Hibbo Heitiga Jags Distin
Gibson
Rodwell Fellaini Baines
Jelly Naismith

Subs: Ossie, Neville, Barkley, Coleman, Duffy.

James Stewart
766 Posted 08/07/2012 at 14:22:30
____________________Howard____________________
__________________________________________________
Hibbert________Jagielka___Heitinga________Baines
__________________________________________________
____________Gibson__________Fellaini_____________
__________________________________________________
Naismith____________Osman______________Gueye/Barkley
_____________________Jelavic______________________

Unless anything changes we don't have Pienaar and we do have Baines and Fellaini. So I had to include them and leave out Pienaar. Obviously Pienaar would replace Gueye if he joins and form a nice attacking 3 behind Jelavic.

4-4-2 is completely dead can't understand why people put it down. No one plays a flat 4-4-2 anymore.

James Morgan
768 Posted 08/07/2012 at 14:29:48
Assuming Pienaar signs, I'd like to see the team that battled so well against them in the 4 4 draw. Fellaini caused them all sorts of problems so I wouldn't mind seeing him do it again. Possibly Naismith on the right though.
Mike Manchester
770 Posted 08/07/2012 at 14:55:36
I think we'll play Naismith on the right side. Moyes seemed a little coy when asked in the press conference if he would be re-forming the partnership with Jelavic on the OS. Also does anyone else remember at the start of last season Moyes said he'd be trying to play Seamus more at RB but never managed it. I expect Naismith + Coleman could replicate the attacking threat of the left side, one coming inside and the other overlapping. That's why I'm thinking there are still some BIG players still to come in this summer.

No-one has got Dempsey yet have they?

Mick Davies
774 Posted 08/07/2012 at 16:02:38
Surprised how many on here have Hibbert (Moyes's perennial favourite) in the team. He is older now than when he was shite, so Neville would be my preferred RB unless Coleman regains his fitness and proves, pre-season that he is back to his best. Pienaar isn't an Everton player so Gueye or Osman would have to come in (though Gueye is playing in the Olympics so may be unavailable).
Keith Glazzard
778 Posted 08/07/2012 at 16:32:47
If things stay as they are (but with Pienaar back) Moyes is likely to start as he finished, with the line-up against Newcastle.

Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Osman Gibson Fellaini Neville Pienaar
Jelavic

Naismith is very unlikely to start, as is Rodwell, but both will be on the bench.

The team he put out at Old Trafford was complicated by Baines being absent (Neville played LB), but he put Heitinga into midfield with Jags/Distin at the back. Fellaini went up with Jelavic in that game too.

It being an MU game, Neville is almost certain to start, so I won't be expecting any changes. But let's see what happens in the pre-season games - if anything!

James Stewart
779 Posted 08/07/2012 at 16:53:59
Mick I don't understand how you can say Hibbert doesn't deserve to start over Neville. Admittedly they are both shite but at least Hibbert can cross a ball everything now and again. He had a few assists especially in Jelavic's goals. Neville cant pass it more than 5 yards let alone cross. There isn't much in it but I certainly wouldn't say Neville is an improvement over Hibbert in anyway.

We need a new RB and RM. Just as we have for the last decade!

Sam Hoare
780 Posted 08/07/2012 at 17:01:03
Agree with james. Hibbert had arguably his best season last season. He actually looked semi-useful in the opposition half for once.

Still think a new RB is needed soon.

Denis Richardson
782 Posted 08/07/2012 at 17:22:21
Ryan – 753,

Since when did we 'often' play that formation, with both Gibson and Fellaini being DMs and no Cahill in the side simply there to be a nuisance?

I can't remember us ever playing a proper 4-2-3-1 formation, with every player involved playing in his correct position. I could be wrong but I can't remember it. We've been playing 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 for as long as I can remember.

Playing 4-2-3-1 would at least mean we don't necessarily need wingers (which we don't currently have as it is).

Ian Bennett
800 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:29:46
Interesting that no one has selected Coleman for right back despite the criticism of hibbert and Neville.

If Rodwell can start playing well instead of being injured/negative crab then I'd like to see him with Gibson with Coleman at right back. Playing Coleman is a risk, in the same way baines was a risk and why lescott kept him out the side for so long. Rodwell should provide the legs to compensate that Coleman will get caught out of position. If both can't deliver they need to be sold with the funds raised to bring players that will. Keeping Neville, hibbert and Osman out of the side has to be there.

howard
Coleman
Baines
Distin
Heitinga

Rodwell
Gibson

Pienaar
Fellaini
Naismith

Jelavic

I would like Donovan or someone who can play that role too.

Iain Love
801 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:47:09
According to what we have NOW, and how we finished the season
Howard
Hibbo Heitinga Distin Baines
Gibson Felliani
Coleman Naismith Maggie
Jelly.
Matt Traynor
802 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:51:46
Ian #800, I'll get flamed for it, but I will state now that Seamus Coleman is not good enough for Everton, at right back, right mid, or even on the bench.
Iain Love
803 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:53:35
What i'd like as a starting line up would be
Howard
Coleman Heitinga Distin Emilio Izaguirre
Gibson Felliani
Hoillet Naismith Pienaar
Jelly
Selling Baines and using the money for Celtics Izaguirre ,Hoilet and Pienaar, I'd prefer a new R/B but monies tight.
Keith Glazzard
804 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:59:39
Matt - although Seamus has admirable qualities I think like you that he has gone as far as he can with us. Not a bad lad to have on the bench, but that's about it.
Ian Bennett
805 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:57:48
Matt it's a big season for him, and if he can't nail a right back berth he's got to go.

He is wasted at right midfield. His best quality is coming on the overlap at pace, rather starting static moves in a more attacking role. He's an attacking right back, that only gets in the team if you have legs in the middle.

Chris Leyland
806 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:08:24
Seamus is the Irish Gareth Bale, well in the same way that McFadden was the Scottish Rooney.

Colin Grierson
807 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:03:19

Howard
(New signing) Distin Heitinga Baines
Fellaini Gibson Osman Pienaar
Naismith
Jelavic

Subs Mucha, Barkley, Neville, Rodwell, Jagielka, Gueye


In my view we need a balance for Baines at right back that gives us an attacking option on both flanks. I'm not sure Moyes would agree with me though.

Chris Leyland
808 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:08:24
Seamus is the Irish Gareth Bale, well in the same way that McFadden was the Scottish Rooney.

Colin Grierson
809 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:10:35
Seamus can't defend. He's rash, rather like Phil Neville in his youth. We've no options there.
Ryan Holroyd
813 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:53:47
As I say, Denis, get yourself to the EB website. Educate yourself. It's a great website although you'll have to remove your prejudice first.
Tom Bowers
814 Posted 09/07/2012 at 00:03:16
The lineups are pretty much similar with the main issue being with Coleman and Osman in or out.
Hibbert isn't the most reliable but is better than Coleman but Coleman can at least score now and then. Against some teams you don't really need 4 at the back and that's when I would put Coleman in.
Osman has become an enigma in my book. Sure he has had his moments but is inconsistant, weak in the tackle and brushed off the ball too easily.
Moyes has to look forward and mould a new lineup and that is why Rodwell,Barkley and Gueye should be given more opportunities to stake their claims.
With the existing established players we have won nothing and for the most part have struggled to win games even at home against weaker opposition. We need a new right back as neither Neville, Hibbert or Coleman cuts the mustard.(sorry Seamus).
Peter Oatley
816 Posted 09/07/2012 at 01:43:53
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Coleman Fellaini Gibson Pienaar
Naismith Jelavic

Alan Bourke
839 Posted 09/07/2012 at 09:42:25
This would be my line-up. If we can somehow stay fairly injury-free this coming season, we SHOULD be a force as you can see our squad depth reflected on our bench; quite a strong team:

Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Gibson Fellaini
Naismith Osman Pienaar(hopefully)
Jelavic
Subs: Mucha
Neville
Cahill
Distin
Gueye
Rodwell
Anichebe
So there's quite some depth in the team. This particular line-up not including the likes of Barkley, Coleman, Vellios etc. Hopefully one or two more signings and the competition for places in the team should be fierce!

Ciaran Duff
849 Posted 09/07/2012 at 11:15:50
I'm praying that Coleman turns out to be a great RB but at the moment - no way. He still hasa long way to go
Hibbert is a really good defender and finished last season very well, including getting up and down the wing and getting crosses in.
I think the Euros proved that 4-4-2 is dead. My preference is for 4-3-3 (in attack) which morphs into 4-5-1 in defence. I'd go with Tom's initial team but in this formation :-
Howard
Hibbert, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Rodwell, Fellaini, Gibson
Naismith, Jelavic, Pienaar
Chris Fisher
896 Posted 09/07/2012 at 16:48:21
Howard,
Neville, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines,
Fellaini, Gibson, Pienaar,
Barkley, Naismith, Jelavic

4-3-3... Would be brilliant to see us go with that vs Man U but feel it is probably a bit to attack-minded???
Amit Balaggan
904 Posted 09/07/2012 at 17:15:28
Working with the assumption that we will have Pienaar and we will not loose Baines or Fellaini:

Howard
Hibbert, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Gibson
Naismith, Osman, Pienaar
Fellaini
Jelavic

Bench: Mucha, Distin, Gueye, Rodwell, Vellios/Barkley, Neville

Osman is the most creative player we have and Hibbert was outstanding for most of the last season. The problem is with the bench.

The problem is that, while Cahill is in the squad, Moyes will play him. That means one of the youngsters will have to sit out. The best solution is to sell Cahill and invest it in buying Pienaar.

Gavin Ramejkis
909 Posted 09/07/2012 at 17:48:59
A fly in the ointment, the Scottish FA have refused to accept the transfer of Naismith to Everton so as it stands he can't play for us yet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18771127
Chris Jones [Burton]
911 Posted 09/07/2012 at 17:58:46
It's incredible that NewCo are claiming they have these players' contracts. Rangers FC went bust (they weren't even able to pay players' contracted wages). End of. Now the guy who's buying some physical assets off the liquidator is claiming their contracts belong to him. Has he been paying their wages, is he paying all their unpaid 'back wages'? Unless he's prepared to do that he should do one!
Steavey Buckley
916 Posted 09/07/2012 at 18:33:07
(909 & 910) FIFA can issue a temporary registration until the matter over Naismith can be sorted out.
Keith Glazzard
918 Posted 09/07/2012 at 18:36:23
Carlos Teves kept West Ham in the PL when he was owned by Fray Bentos or something (wasn't there a RS player involved too?) so shouldn't be a problem.
Tom Bowers
920 Posted 09/07/2012 at 18:37:04
Naismith is a done deal and the Scottish FA really cannot do anything. If one employer can't pay you then the contract is null and void and you can sign another contract with anyone which is what he has done. I am sure Everton have done their legal homework.

The other so-called glitch – Pienaar – is also something which will be resolved soon and he will sign for Everton. He will play wide left coming in on to his right foot very similar to what Ashley Young does.

As long as the key players don't get any long-term injuries the season looks promising especially if certain players carry over their form from the second half of last season. However,with the emergence of Gueye, Barkley and return of Rodwell the squad looks like it is better equipped to deal with the loss of other players through injury. The results of those first few games will indicate if Moyes has got it right or not in making this season a big one.
Tony Marsh
927 Posted 09/07/2012 at 19:09:34
Here we are in mid 2012 and some are still putting Hibbert and Osman in their team selections... WTF?!?!?

It's no wonder we never progress with fans who cannot determine the wheat from the chaff. Osman and Hibbert are terrible players and should've been moved out after the 2009 FA Cup Final.

I give up.
Ciaran Duff
966 Posted 10/07/2012 at 00:03:40
Tony,
Would you care to nominate a better right back currently at the club?
Keith Glazzard
968 Posted 10/07/2012 at 00:28:14
Ciaran - Rodwell reckons he's fully fit and up for it. Might just fit the bill.
Matteo Rosingana
969 Posted 10/07/2012 at 00:47:18
We really need a right back who can attack and weigh in with a couple of goals a season. What a difference this would make to the team. Is Coleman the man for the job?
Ciaran Duff
975 Posted 10/07/2012 at 02:17:11
Keith/Matteo,

I am not questioning that a great attacking RB would be fantastic. All that I am saying is that on last season's form Hibbert would be my first choice at this stage. Coleman has not proved himself at RB to date and Rodwell even less so.

Maybe they can become RBs in the future but at this stage they are not proven.
Mick Davies
983 Posted 10/07/2012 at 05:02:13
I keep reading posts about how Coleman is this or that at RB and Hibbert is a better choice: well can somebody please tell me, how did Coleman do at right back?
I recall him being introduced in one game with about 5 mins to go and playing in his own position, apart from that, he's played right wing, left wing, left back and midfield, so how do we know his strengths if the manager plays him anywhere but there? I would like to see him given a run, and if he isn't as strong in defence as he is in attack, then either Jags or Heitinga will cover for him, as they have with Hibbert. I also think Coleman has a better chance of tracking back than his older, slower rival. So if we aren't getting a new RB, maybe he should be sold or played there
Andrew Dempsey
987 Posted 10/07/2012 at 05:30:36
So right, Mick.
>But Coleman has played right back, for Blackpool on loan. 12 games - 1 goal and 5 assists. It's his natural position and he looked great there. My mate's a tangerine, and he said he was awesome, always trying to overlap and play clever one- two's to get in behind.


I'd play a 5-3-2 with wing-backs, Coleman and Baines.
Three centre-backs - Heitinga, Rodwell(as a sweeper in the middle) and Distin on the left.

Gibson and Fellaini -centre mid

Then Pienaar ahead of these two (with Barkley to maybe come off the bench and play here)

Then Jelavic and Naismith up front, with Naismith drifting to find space and link up with Pienaar and the wing-backs.

It's attacking but also flexible, it could easily become very defensive, which Dave should love. Rodwell's never going to be a midfielder, he could be an elegant defender in the Pique mould though. This is all a pipe dream though, Moyes isn't going to change his methodology

Tony Cheek
033 Posted 10/07/2012 at 13:19:31
I think its looking ominous now that Baines will not be wearing Blue next season. It hurts like hell but think he will be a united player soon. So, on that note, I would like to put forward this team:

Howard
Hibbert, Jagielka, Heitinga, Ziegler.
Barkley, Osman, Gibson, Fellaini, Pienaar
Jelavic.
Tom Bowers
038 Posted 10/07/2012 at 13:42:31
There are full backs who can play great as marauding wingers and there are those who are just plain good defenders. Very few have both attributes. However, those few find it more difficult to play both roles as they get older.

Hibbert is a good defender but getting older and personally I think we need to get a newer younger man started in that position if Coleman is not in Moyes mind.

The trend these days is for teams to play with 3 at the back as very few teams come at you with 4 forwards leaving an option to have one of your back four as an attacking wingman. Moyes may just consider another season with Hibbert, Coleman and Pip as his good enough options.
Ian Glassey
107 Posted 10/07/2012 at 19:37:04
How about this if we get the players we are linked with.
Howard,
Neville, Heitinga, Distin, Baines,
Pienaar, Gibson, Fellaini, Pranjic,
Naismith, Jellavic.
Brian Garside
117 Posted 10/07/2012 at 21:01:16
Should we keep Bains, why not play him LM?
He plays a good one- two and gets a decent cross in.
He is the most natural wide player we have. Common sense to me.
Evan Kelly
124 Posted 10/07/2012 at 21:51:54
Assuming we get Rodellega, Pranjic + Pienaar which is kind of realistic..
My team:
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines
Naismith Gibson Fellani Pienaar
Osman
Jelavic
Subs: Mucha Neville Heitinga Barkley Rodwell Prajnic Rodellega

Probable team:
Howard
Neville Jagielka Distin Baines
Osman Gibson Rodwell Pienaar
Fellaini
Jelavic
Subs: Mucha Hibbert Heitinga Barkley Naismith Prajnic Rodellega

Sam Platt
186 Posted 11/07/2012 at 10:03:39
Howard
Hibbert - Jagielka - Heitinga - Baines
Gibson - Rodwell
Naismith - Fellaini - Pienaar
Jelavic

Not 100% conivnced with Fellaini in the whole behind Jela, but he was giving defenders all sorts of problems when he was linking up with Jelavic.

Hopefully the peripheral players like victor, yobo, cahill etc will generate some funds, in which case I would love to see Dempsey or Donovan (permanently) sign on

James Cadwaladr
254 Posted 11/07/2012 at 14:40:01
Howard
Neville Heitinga Distin Garbutt
Gibson Rodwell
Osman Fellaini Pienaar
Jelavic

Subs: Mucha, Hibbert, Duffy, Cisco, Barkley, Anichebe, Naismith.

Tom Bowers
288 Posted 11/07/2012 at 18:59:59
I agree with Brian Garside that Bainsey could be a natural left-sided wide midfielder. He has the skill and speed to really impress and his left foot crosses are excellent there although Moyes prefers Peanuts who basically is right-footed. Of course this would mean getting a new left back which doesn't seem to be on the cards.
Noel Early
470 Posted 12/07/2012 at 15:51:03
My ideal starting 11 would be:

Howard
Naughton- ------------Jags--------------------Heitinga------------Baines
Gibson
Rodwell---------------Fellaini
Naismith--------- Jelavic-------------------Pienaar

But its more than likely going to be:

Howard
Hibbert -----------------Jags--------------Heitinga--------------Distin
Osman-------------Gibson------Neville------------Fellaini-----Pienaar
Cahill
Jelavic

Dan Owens
474 Posted 12/07/2012 at 16:01:52
What is going on with Saha? Is he still contracted to us? I haven't heard anything about him this summer.
Michael Kenrick
477 Posted 12/07/2012 at 16:02:58
Dan, I know we all miss him something terrible, but the fact is Louis Saha does not play for Everton anymore. He has not played for Everton since... well, it seems like ages really. And good riddance.

He doesn't even play for Spurs anymore. Some thought a masterstroke when Harry redkknapp nabbed him in exchange for Pienaar on loan (remember?)... but it never really panned out for them.

Read the site every day... it's remarkable how much more you will know about Everton!

Brian Williams
478 Posted 12/07/2012 at 16:05:40
Saha was released. He's no longer an Everton player, and hasn't been since his move to Tottenham.
Keith Glazzard
480 Posted 12/07/2012 at 16:20:14
Brian - was he really an Everton player before he signed for Spurs?
Mick Davies
814 Posted 20/07/2012 at 01:37:14
To all those above who have slated Coleman and doubted his ability, tonight he was possibly MOTM. All he needs is a protracted run in his own position. Moyes persisted with Cahill, even though he was dire for 12 months and clearly over the hil, so why not give a young man with potential a chance to show us what he can do, and if he doesn't, then we will understand why he doesn't want him. The right back position is our weak link, and most of our goals conceded come from crosses on that side. It might even be worth throwing Yobo in if he doesn't leave this summer.

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