Season 2012-13
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Starting eleven?
Okay I know it's very early but there isn't much really interesting to write about just yet...
Considering the possibility that Pienaar is signed and Rodwell is fully fit now, what do you think will be Moyes's first starting eleven against Man Utd?
My own selection would be:
Howard
Hibbert, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Pienaar, Rodwell, Fellaini, Gibson
Naismith and Jelavic.
Subs; Mucha, Cahill, Distin, Barkley, Gueye.
Of course not including Coleman and Moyes's perennial favourites Osman and Neville will cause consternation so let's see how everyone else feels?
Tom Bowers, Posted 07/07/2012 at 21:25:52
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712 Posted 08/07/2012 at 04:34:17
714 Posted 08/07/2012 at 05:23:21
715 Posted 08/07/2012 at 06:06:24
717 Posted 08/07/2012 at 07:39:42
Howard
Hibbert Distin Heitinga Baines
Naismith Gibson Osman Pienaar
Fellani
Jelavic
Subs Mucha, Barkley, Neville, Rodwell, Jags, Anichebe
720 Posted 08/07/2012 at 07:55:25
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
[New Signing] Gibson Fellaini Pienaar
Naismith
Jelavic
Mucha Neville Distin Coleman Rodwell Osman Anichebe
A right winger is imperative, everyone has included Pienaar too which really has to happen as we have no natural wide men.
723 Posted 08/07/2012 at 08:36:26
Hibbert Distin Heitinga Baines
Gibson Rodwell
Naismith Fellaini (Pienaar)
Jelavić
Subs: Mucha, Cahill, Osman, Jagielka, Anichebe, Neville, Anichebe
Dunno if Fellaini will be played in an advanced role or not. A few excellent games is not enough for me to be 100% sure. If not then Cahill, Osman and Naismith are choices for the "second striker" position.
725 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:00:58
Hibbert Jagielka/Distin Heitinga Baines
Naismith Gibson Rodwell/Osman Pienaar
Fellaini
Jelavic
For me this is our strongest team.
Jagielka or Distin depends on form and degree to which the opposition is likely to go aerial. I would have Distin in for likes of Stoke, for example.
Osman or Rodwell depends on need for creativity or solidity. When playing lesser opposition likely to park the bus, I'd probably play Osman but otherwise I'm hoping Rodwell really comes to the fore this season in a box-to-box role.
726 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:11:08
729 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:36:54
730 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:39:45
I'd say Anthony Flack (717) is the closest guess although the right hand side is very much up for grabs. Anichebe, Coleman, Barkley or a new signing could all play there, as could Osman if we go for Rodwell in the middle.
731 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:12:18
Howard
Neville Jagielka Heitinga Baines Gibson
Rodwell Fellaini Pienaar
Naismith Jelavic
734 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:53:22
736 Posted 08/07/2012 at 09:55:37
738 Posted 08/07/2012 at 10:02:27
Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines
Naismith Gibson Fellani Pienaar
Osman
Jelavic
Subs Mucha Neville Jagielka Barkley Rodwell Prajnic Vellios
740 Posted 08/07/2012 at 10:17:58
(gradual introduction .... blah, blah)
742 Posted 08/07/2012 at 10:22:33
Neville
Baines
Distin
Heitinga
Pienaar
Gibson
Fellaini
Osman
Naismith
Jelavic
749 Posted 08/07/2012 at 11:05:08
Neville Jagielka Distin Baines
Naismith Osman Gibson Pienaar
Fellaini
Jelavic
750 Posted 08/07/2012 at 10:59:43
Howard
Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
Gibson Fellaini
Naismith Osman Pienaar
Jelavic
Subs: Mucha, Rodwell, Hibbert, Barkely, Coleman, Vellios, Rodallega(?)
If the three behind Jelavic and provide good movement (ala Spain stlye - dont laugh!), then I think this would be a progressive attack minded formation whilst still giving plenty of defensive cover with Gibson and Fellaini screening the back 4. Can rotate Barkely for Osman or Naismith for Rodallega to make it even more attacking. Could really do with a pacey RB though..
Above formation will never happen I know...
753 Posted 08/07/2012 at 11:16:44
754 Posted 08/07/2012 at 11:14:09
Howard
Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines
Gibson Fellaini Rodwell
Naismith
Vellios Jelavic
I would like to see what Coleman could do at right back as neither Neville or Hibbert are good enough but because he's never played there for us I've left Hibbert in.
Osman could play instead of Rodwell as there's not much between them or even take Vellios's place but swap positions with Naismith.
When you look at our squad to decide who were our strongest 11 are you realise how weak we are, a couple of injuries to key players and theres simply no one to replace them.
755 Posted 08/07/2012 at 11:43:43
Assuming that Pienaar is a done deal (and that’s a big assumption) my starting line up is: (roll on the drums)
Howard
Hibbert/Neville Heitinga Distin Baines
Osman Gibson Fellani Pienaar
Messi Jelavic.
That’s spellchecker for ya’ — You put Naismith in and Messi comes out!
756 Posted 08/07/2012 at 12:11:36
761 Posted 08/07/2012 at 12:18:53
If we have no natural width why are we looking at formations that require wingers?.
-----------------Howard------------------
-----------------------------------------
-Hibbo-------Jags------Heitinga----Baines
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------Gibson------------------
------Rodwell---------------Osman--------
-------------------Fellaini--------------------
-------------------------------------------------
-----------Naismith-------------------------
-----------------------Jelavic----------------
The way I see it we have the players for a narrow diamond. Hibbo has been better for the last couple of seasons getting up the wing and Baines obviously offers plenty there to give us some width. Both Rodwell and Osman can run with the ball... Osman gets shoved off it too easily but with Fellaini, Naismith and Jelavic ahead of him he should have passing options.
Off the ball we'd be narrow and a lot would be placed on Gibson, Osman and Rodwell to keep alert and fill in the gaps. We would have decent attacking options though....even without the wide options... from the long ball out of defence up to Fellaini, on the 'point-of-the-lance', for the knockdown or the pass out to Gibbo to go out to either of the running midfielders to carry the ball forward on the ground.
Give Naismith a free role behind Jelavic to receive the knock-on from Fellaini or to be available for the pass from the runners and, very quickly, you are giving the opposing defence a big job covering all the angles. They've got to try and stop the second ball from Fellaini, track Naismith and cover Jelavic and be alert for the goal threat from Osman and Rodwell plus watch out for long-range artillery from Gibson!
Not very fashionable but, if the situation with the wingers doesn't get sorted out, we've definitely got options.
763 Posted 08/07/2012 at 13:39:54
Hibbo Heitiga Jags Distin
Gibson
Rodwell Fellaini Baines
Jelly Naismith
Subs: Ossie, Neville, Barkley, Coleman, Duffy.
766 Posted 08/07/2012 at 14:22:30
__________________________________________________
Hibbert________Jagielka___Heitinga________Baines
__________________________________________________
____________Gibson__________Fellaini_____________
__________________________________________________
Naismith____________Osman______________Gueye/Barkley
_____________________Jelavic______________________
Unless anything changes we don't have Pienaar and we do have Baines and Fellaini. So I had to include them and leave out Pienaar. Obviously Pienaar would replace Gueye if he joins and form a nice attacking 3 behind Jelavic.
4-4-2 is completely dead can't understand why people put it down. No one plays a flat 4-4-2 anymore.
768 Posted 08/07/2012 at 14:29:48
770 Posted 08/07/2012 at 14:55:36
No-one has got Dempsey yet have they?
774 Posted 08/07/2012 at 16:02:38
778 Posted 08/07/2012 at 16:32:47
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Osman Gibson Fellaini Neville Pienaar
Jelavic
Naismith is very unlikely to start, as is Rodwell, but both will be on the bench.
The team he put out at Old Trafford was complicated by Baines being absent (Neville played LB), but he put Heitinga into midfield with Jags/Distin at the back. Fellaini went up with Jelavic in that game too.
It being an MU game, Neville is almost certain to start, so I won't be expecting any changes. But let's see what happens in the pre-season games - if anything!
779 Posted 08/07/2012 at 16:53:59
We need a new RB and RM. Just as we have for the last decade!
780 Posted 08/07/2012 at 17:01:03
Still think a new RB is needed soon.
782 Posted 08/07/2012 at 17:22:21
Since when did we 'often' play that formation, with both Gibson and Fellaini being DMs and no Cahill in the side simply there to be a nuisance?
I can't remember us ever playing a proper 4-2-3-1 formation, with every player involved playing in his correct position. I could be wrong but I can't remember it. We've been playing 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 for as long as I can remember.
Playing 4-2-3-1 would at least mean we don't necessarily need wingers (which we don't currently have as it is).
800 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:29:46
If Rodwell can start playing well instead of being injured/negative crab then I'd like to see him with Gibson with Coleman at right back. Playing Coleman is a risk, in the same way baines was a risk and why lescott kept him out the side for so long. Rodwell should provide the legs to compensate that Coleman will get caught out of position. If both can't deliver they need to be sold with the funds raised to bring players that will. Keeping Neville, hibbert and Osman out of the side has to be there.
howard
Coleman
Baines
Distin
Heitinga
Rodwell
Gibson
Pienaar
Fellaini
Naismith
Jelavic
I would like Donovan or someone who can play that role too.
801 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:47:09
Howard
Hibbo Heitinga Distin Baines
Gibson Felliani
Coleman Naismith Maggie
Jelly.
802 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:51:46
803 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:53:35
Howard
Coleman Heitinga Distin Emilio Izaguirre
Gibson Felliani
Hoillet Naismith Pienaar
Jelly
Selling Baines and using the money for Celtics Izaguirre ,Hoilet and Pienaar, I'd prefer a new R/B but monies tight.
804 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:59:39
805 Posted 08/07/2012 at 22:57:48
He is wasted at right midfield. His best quality is coming on the overlap at pace, rather starting static moves in a more attacking role. He's an attacking right back, that only gets in the team if you have legs in the middle.
806 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:08:24
807 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:03:19
Howard
(New signing) Distin Heitinga Baines
Fellaini Gibson Osman Pienaar
Naismith
Jelavic
Subs Mucha, Barkley, Neville, Rodwell, Jagielka, Gueye
In my view we need a balance for Baines at right back that gives us an attacking option on both flanks. I'm not sure Moyes would agree with me though.
808 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:08:24
809 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:10:35
813 Posted 08/07/2012 at 23:53:47
814 Posted 09/07/2012 at 00:03:16
Hibbert isn't the most reliable but is better than Coleman but Coleman can at least score now and then. Against some teams you don't really need 4 at the back and that's when I would put Coleman in.
Osman has become an enigma in my book. Sure he has had his moments but is inconsistant, weak in the tackle and brushed off the ball too easily.
Moyes has to look forward and mould a new lineup and that is why Rodwell,Barkley and Gueye should be given more opportunities to stake their claims.
With the existing established players we have won nothing and for the most part have struggled to win games even at home against weaker opposition. We need a new right back as neither Neville, Hibbert or Coleman cuts the mustard.(sorry Seamus).
816 Posted 09/07/2012 at 01:43:53
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Coleman Fellaini Gibson Pienaar
Naismith Jelavic
839 Posted 09/07/2012 at 09:42:25
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Heitinga Baines
Gibson Fellaini
Naismith Osman Pienaar(hopefully)
Jelavic
Subs: Mucha
Neville
Cahill
Distin
Gueye
Rodwell
Anichebe
So there's quite some depth in the team. This particular line-up not including the likes of Barkley, Coleman, Vellios etc. Hopefully one or two more signings and the competition for places in the team should be fierce!
849 Posted 09/07/2012 at 11:15:50
Hibbert is a really good defender and finished last season very well, including getting up and down the wing and getting crosses in.
I think the Euros proved that 4-4-2 is dead. My preference is for 4-3-3 (in attack) which morphs into 4-5-1 in defence. I'd go with Tom's initial team but in this formation :-
Howard
Hibbert, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Rodwell, Fellaini, Gibson
Naismith, Jelavic, Pienaar
896 Posted 09/07/2012 at 16:48:21
Neville, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines,
Fellaini, Gibson, Pienaar,
Barkley, Naismith, Jelavic
4-3-3... Would be brilliant to see us go with that vs Man U but feel it is probably a bit to attack-minded???
904 Posted 09/07/2012 at 17:15:28
Howard
Hibbert, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Gibson
Naismith, Osman, Pienaar
Fellaini
Jelavic
Bench: Mucha, Distin, Gueye, Rodwell, Vellios/Barkley, Neville
Osman is the most creative player we have and Hibbert was outstanding for most of the last season. The problem is with the bench.
The problem is that, while Cahill is in the squad, Moyes will play him. That means one of the youngsters will have to sit out. The best solution is to sell Cahill and invest it in buying Pienaar.
909 Posted 09/07/2012 at 17:48:59
911 Posted 09/07/2012 at 17:58:46
916 Posted 09/07/2012 at 18:33:07
918 Posted 09/07/2012 at 18:36:23
920 Posted 09/07/2012 at 18:37:04
The other so-called glitch – Pienaar – is also something which will be resolved soon and he will sign for Everton. He will play wide left coming in on to his right foot very similar to what Ashley Young does.
As long as the key players don't get any long-term injuries the season looks promising especially if certain players carry over their form from the second half of last season. However,with the emergence of Gueye, Barkley and return of Rodwell the squad looks like it is better equipped to deal with the loss of other players through injury. The results of those first few games will indicate if Moyes has got it right or not in making this season a big one.
927 Posted 09/07/2012 at 19:09:34
It's no wonder we never progress with fans who cannot determine the wheat from the chaff. Osman and Hibbert are terrible players and should've been moved out after the 2009 FA Cup Final.
I give up.
966 Posted 10/07/2012 at 00:03:40
Would you care to nominate a better right back currently at the club?
968 Posted 10/07/2012 at 00:28:14
969 Posted 10/07/2012 at 00:47:18
975 Posted 10/07/2012 at 02:17:11
I am not questioning that a great attacking RB would be fantastic. All that I am saying is that on last season's form Hibbert would be my first choice at this stage. Coleman has not proved himself at RB to date and Rodwell even less so.
Maybe they can become RBs in the future but at this stage they are not proven.
983 Posted 10/07/2012 at 05:02:13
I recall him being introduced in one game with about 5 mins to go and playing in his own position, apart from that, he's played right wing, left wing, left back and midfield, so how do we know his strengths if the manager plays him anywhere but there? I would like to see him given a run, and if he isn't as strong in defence as he is in attack, then either Jags or Heitinga will cover for him, as they have with Hibbert. I also think Coleman has a better chance of tracking back than his older, slower rival. So if we aren't getting a new RB, maybe he should be sold or played there
987 Posted 10/07/2012 at 05:30:36
>But Coleman has played right back, for Blackpool on loan. 12 games - 1 goal and 5 assists. It's his natural position and he looked great there. My mate's a tangerine, and he said he was awesome, always trying to overlap and play clever one- two's to get in behind.
I'd play a 5-3-2 with wing-backs, Coleman and Baines.
Three centre-backs - Heitinga, Rodwell(as a sweeper in the middle) and Distin on the left.
Gibson and Fellaini -centre mid
Then Pienaar ahead of these two (with Barkley to maybe come off the bench and play here)
Then Jelavic and Naismith up front, with Naismith drifting to find space and link up with Pienaar and the wing-backs.
It's attacking but also flexible, it could easily become very defensive, which Dave should love. Rodwell's never going to be a midfielder, he could be an elegant defender in the Pique mould though. This is all a pipe dream though, Moyes isn't going to change his methodology
033 Posted 10/07/2012 at 13:19:31
Howard
Hibbert, Jagielka, Heitinga, Ziegler.
Barkley, Osman, Gibson, Fellaini, Pienaar
Jelavic.
038 Posted 10/07/2012 at 13:42:31
Hibbert is a good defender but getting older and personally I think we need to get a newer younger man started in that position if Coleman is not in Moyes mind.
The trend these days is for teams to play with 3 at the back as very few teams come at you with 4 forwards leaving an option to have one of your back four as an attacking wingman. Moyes may just consider another season with Hibbert, Coleman and Pip as his good enough options.
107 Posted 10/07/2012 at 19:37:04
Howard,
Neville, Heitinga, Distin, Baines,
Pienaar, Gibson, Fellaini, Pranjic,
Naismith, Jellavic.
117 Posted 10/07/2012 at 21:01:16
He plays a good one- two and gets a decent cross in.
He is the most natural wide player we have. Common sense to me.
124 Posted 10/07/2012 at 21:51:54
My team:
Howard
Hibbert Jagielka Distin Baines
Naismith Gibson Fellani Pienaar
Osman
Jelavic
Subs: Mucha Neville Heitinga Barkley Rodwell Prajnic Rodellega
Probable team:
Howard
Neville Jagielka Distin Baines
Osman Gibson Rodwell Pienaar
Fellaini
Jelavic
Subs: Mucha Hibbert Heitinga Barkley Naismith Prajnic Rodellega
186 Posted 11/07/2012 at 10:03:39
Hibbert - Jagielka - Heitinga - Baines
Gibson - Rodwell
Naismith - Fellaini - Pienaar
Jelavic
Not 100% conivnced with Fellaini in the whole behind Jela, but he was giving defenders all sorts of problems when he was linking up with Jelavic.
Hopefully the peripheral players like victor, yobo, cahill etc will generate some funds, in which case I would love to see Dempsey or Donovan (permanently) sign on
254 Posted 11/07/2012 at 14:40:01
Neville Heitinga Distin Garbutt
Gibson Rodwell
Osman Fellaini Pienaar
Jelavic
Subs: Mucha, Hibbert, Duffy, Cisco, Barkley, Anichebe, Naismith.
288 Posted 11/07/2012 at 18:59:59
470 Posted 12/07/2012 at 15:51:03
Howard
Naughton- ------------Jags--------------------Heitinga------------Baines
Gibson
Rodwell---------------Fellaini
Naismith--------- Jelavic-------------------Pienaar
But its more than likely going to be:
Howard
Hibbert -----------------Jags--------------Heitinga--------------Distin
Osman-------------Gibson------Neville------------Fellaini-----Pienaar
Cahill
Jelavic
474 Posted 12/07/2012 at 16:01:52
477 Posted 12/07/2012 at 16:02:58
He doesn't even play for Spurs anymore. Some thought a masterstroke when Harry redkknapp nabbed him in exchange for Pienaar on loan (remember?)... but it never really panned out for them.
Read the site every day... it's remarkable how much more you will know about Everton!
478 Posted 12/07/2012 at 16:05:40
480 Posted 12/07/2012 at 16:20:14
814 Posted 20/07/2012 at 01:37:14
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704 Posted 08/07/2012 at 01:44:38
I can't really think of anyone else, so you might have nailed it — unless all 300 rumoured links this summer come good?
It does show what a small squad we have though...