The madness has to stop

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In the real world, people lose their jobs, face yearly pay freezes and see their benefits cut. In the world that is the Premier League, austerity doesn't exist.

In another thread, I argued that there was envy at working class footballers earning such vast amounts. Roman Sidey's response made me think. He made the point that, in other industries, people who generate money make big money. In football, this is not the case. One can earn huge money for very little.

I don't know if or when the Premier League bubble will burst but the recent accounts suggest to me that, for Everton, this is coming soon. We are selling to survive and the board are overseeing a slowly sinking ship.

Tony Marsh made the point that he felt this season was our last chance for Champions League football. I believe he is right. Qualification for the group stages will at least buy time. Anything less must surely lead to calling time on the madness. The wage bill will have to be slashed and ticket prices will have to rise. In other words, supporters will have to pay more for less. For the foreseeable future, 40 points will become the height of our ambition.

I see no billionaire on the horizon nor any willingness to sell. What I hope for is transparency and a plan. Is that too much to ask?

Andy Crooks, Belfast     Posted 06/01/2013 at 10:33:14

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Nick Entwistle
792 Posted 06/01/2013 at 15:18:52
The 'Premier League bubble' is something fans of hard-done-by clubs have created, much like the supposed boredom threshold of Ambramovic who one day will run out on Chelsea.

Jay Harris
794 Posted 06/01/2013 at 15:31:25
Andy,
I think a lot depends on what happens with the new TV deal and the nonsense that is the "fair play" financing plan.

Clubs need to agree a firm policy that enough is enough with players and agents getting money for old rope and have a more sensible wage and agents fee practice that is universally applied.

Whether that can ever happen given the dishonesty and creative accounting that goes on in football is open to debate.

Denis Richardson
795 Posted 06/01/2013 at 15:37:13
The 'bubble' is only going to stop when one thing happens – the TV money goes down or runs out. Until this happens, the wages of all players and managers will continue to be huge. Most clubs in the top league now rely on the TV money as their main source of income, so this is the only thing that will make a difference in the near future.

Personally I don't have anything against the players earning those amounts, no one in their right mind is going to ask for a pay cut! The problem lies with the clubs allowing the wages to be so high. Until all the clubs come together to do something about it (fat chance of that in the near term), there will be no change.

Everton are not going to go bust anytime soon, the higher TV money and values of Fellaini, Baines, Jelavic etc are more than enough to prevent near term melt down. However, I really hope that the increased TV money next year does not simply end up in the pockets of the players and manager and is actually used to pay down the debt to at least reduce the annual interest cost. Would also be an idea to buy back Finch Farm and stop the annual £1.7M payment in rent, or whatever the amount is.

Kevin Hudson
806 Posted 06/01/2013 at 16:12:56
Call me world-weary, but It seems that 'everyone's an expert,' when it comes to running football clubs on ToffeeWeb this week.

Now, on a quiet weekend, Andy invites us to fret over the future for the millionth time.

Personally, I'm just looking forward to the match.

Ged Simpson
810 Posted 06/01/2013 at 16:27:45
With you on that Kevin.

With you even more after seeing comments like "Personally I don't have anything against the players earning those amounts.." and "The 'Premier League bubble' is something fans of hard done by clubs have created,.."

Chris Williamson
820 Posted 06/01/2013 at 16:49:30
Bleedin' 'ell – "Personally I don't have anything against the players earning those amounts.." ... Well, I do – personally, morally and philosophically – when a footballer earns more in a month than a teacher will in a 20-year career, or a nurse in 30, or a doctor in 6 ... you see nothing wrong with that? The people who are absolutely necessary for our society to function are paid a fraction that these 'entertainers' get (and you can include celebs and pop stars in that).

Don't quote me the "it's a short career" shim sham ... if at 30 they hang up their boots having been lucky to have been paid to do their hobby for 15 or so years, then they can do like the rest of us and retrain and get a proper job.

I seem to be a minority amongst football fans who do not support the cash-run procession that used to be football. In the end, society gets the shambles it wants, and if a few extra goals are more important than a nations health or education.....

Paul Andrews
827 Posted 06/01/2013 at 17:04:45
A PLAN!! A PLAN?

Don't be silly!

Nick Entwistle
832 Posted 06/01/2013 at 17:12:05
Denis, the bubble will stop, as you say, when the money runs out from TV companies, but before that the advertisers will need to pull out, but before that the millions around the world will have to stop watching, but before that the star players in the world need to play in another league, but before that the clubs need to stop paying the highest wages in the world, but before that the money will need to stop run out from the TV companies.... oh wait.

Andy Crooks
837 Posted 06/01/2013 at 17:40:40
Chris (#821) — I'm coming round to your viewpoint. Messi probably makes a fortune for Barcelona and it can argued that he is entitled a large cut of that. To use Roman Sidey's example Victor Anichebe doesn't sell £25k of shirts a week. Nothing against Vic who has been excellent lately but mediocrity is hugely rewarded in football.

There are Championship, maybe even League One players being paid huge amounts by clubs that can't afford it. Whatever one's views on the morality of it, and I have reservations about criticising working class lads for doing well, it is unsustainable madness.

David Hallwood
847 Posted 06/01/2013 at 18:11:34
'Bubbles' always come to an end whether it is the property or financial markets and there is a long history of spectacular crashes. Kevin & Ged (#806 & 810) just want to watch the game-amen to that, but its finance that determines how good the game is going to be. You don't need to be an expert to understand that if we are going to win anything, we need to spend 20-30 million in transfer fees & wages, and Andy has rightly pointed out the economics of football is divorced from the day to day reality of austerity, not only in this country but in the rest of Europe.

With the EPL it’s a slow car crash, because no matter how much money is pumped in indebtedness grows, and that’s across the board. Expenditure outstripping income will bring all businesses down (and countries these days) and people who think that football is immune are delusional.

To my mind it is what’s going to happen in Spain that will be interesting; how long can Real& Barca keep partying like its 1999, when the banks are in freefall and Spain’s economy is disappearing down the tubes. Interesting times.

Kevin Tully
857 Posted 06/01/2013 at 18:45:17
Three words - supply and demand.

As long as we pay Sky our monthly subscriptions, nothing will change.

The bubble is also about to expand even more, when pay-per-view becomes a reality.

The American & Chinese markets have not even been cracked yet, so don't hold your breath for a crash - it ain't happening.

Bill Griffiths
883 Posted 06/01/2013 at 20:18:29
Kevin is right, Sky started the rot and we subscribersd to Sky Sports are all guilty of aiding and abetting. I am of the old school that thinks all football games should kick off on Saturday afternoons at 3 o'clock etc. At one time, I wouldn't have Sky in the house, though eventually I changed my mind – though not just to be able to get Sky Sports.

If all of us fans stood together and boycotted games until we had our say then maybe we could get some things changed for the better. However, while we continue to turn up for games and pay our Sky Subscriptions, things will never change.

Keith Slinger
897 Posted 06/01/2013 at 21:37:31
So why have other clubs in the PL said that Everton are the model club to follow by way of the means the club is run, playing, buying structure etc and by all accounts the envy of a lot of clubs in this country??
Mike Oates
907 Posted 06/01/2013 at 21:40:37
I had an interesting conversation over New Year with a Senior Manager of an Investment Co preliminary dealing with milionaire retirees. His company spends substanial amounts of money on Corporate Entertainment in the Sports Area - Football, Cricket, Golf . In football they have taken major clients to Arsenal, Man Utd over last 5-6 years and more recently have included Chelsea, Man City and Spurs. Games include PL, CL , FA Cup - they have permanent boxes at some of these clubs .Its done on the basis that these clubs will regularly achieve success both at home and in Europe and the companies expenditure commitment at these clubs will give many years of Corporate Entertainment opportunity.

I rather pleased, said Everton could well join the Corporate Entertainment club shortly. His response was that Everton would never ever be considered in the same light as the group above and Everton will never ever have the resources to "stay successful" - he meant that in the likelyhood of getting CL next year the demand on our minimal playing resources to play CL and PL weekly would mean we would fail in the early rounds/league of the CL and we would also fail in the 2013/14 season to retain a CL place. You need substanial capital at the outset to ensure you can compete in all comps and his words were that Everton will never be able to do that, either through increased revenues from somewhere magically, or by attracting an investor (who will need hundred of millions to put an infrastructure in place)

Rather spoilt my New Years Eve but I alawys felt that we've missed the boat - and these latest accounts seem to confirm that.

Wayne Smyth
913 Posted 06/01/2013 at 22:11:53
Keith, the only reason we're a model is because the manager is under no threat to be replaced, and we generally do rather well largely because of that stability.

As for the bubble, it will burst soon enough. There will be more and more PL clubs go into administration before other clubs start to realise they're not too big to go under.

Can't blame the players for taking whats on offer, but the clubs(including ours) need to be a bit more willing to cut their cloth to suit their budget, not get £50m in debt in a mad push to annually finish 7th. I'd rather have no debt and finish 16th or 17th.

Ernie Baywood
920 Posted 06/01/2013 at 22:23:55
People are saying the bubble will only burst if the TV money runs out. Not true - it just needs to not increase at the present rate.

An increase in domestic demand isn't driving increased TV money - it's the overseas take up. So is China still untapped? What happens when it's tapped?

Same as every other industry. People borrow during periods of growth on the basis that future returns will cover their debt. Then there's a bust. Bust always follows boom.

When that happens it isn't going to be pretty. Player wages cannot be supported, values will be a fraction of current levels.

It will happen despite the protestations above. Football hasn't regulated itself - boom followed by bust.

Chris Williamson
922 Posted 06/01/2013 at 22:38:32
Bill (883) - I've never paid Sky a penny, so I'm not guilty. I didn't like their idea from day one - it was obvious some clubs would become more popular (because at the onset they were playing the better football) and would be watched more often. This would attract more money for them, and sustain their success. It follows that the same old teams get watched, get money and get the same success every year.

Football is ceasing to be a competition.

Does anybody remember when the Champions League was first muted, the abhorrent plan was that it would only involve the same top (elite) clubs every year, without qualification? That wasn't popular, for obvious reasons. But look what we have now.

I'm sad to say, that football has been stolen from us and is just a huge money machine for the establishment.

Michael Kenrick
926 Posted 06/01/2013 at 23:24:23
Do tell us about the last time there was a bust in English Football, please Ernie. I can't be old enough to have seen it, like...

Chris, the massive irony in you words (#922) was that, at the time, Everton were uniquely positioned, being one of the top five English clubs instrumental in setting up the Premier League.

That they not only failed to profit from it but fell away precipitously has to be one of the biggest indictments of the Everton Board.

And the one common factor from that era to this: William Kenwright, MBE, Board member since 1989.
Denis Richardson
943 Posted 07/01/2013 at 01:35:34
Chris 820 - you seem to miss my point re the wages. Is it the clubs fault for offerring such high pay cheques or is it the players' fault for accepting the cash? No sane person is going to ask his employer to give him less money.

People moaning about players being greedy are conveniently forgetting that its the clubs that offer them this money in the first place. If the clubs collectively offered less money, the players wouldn't have no choice but to accept less. Unfortunately every club is going to look after themselves and so the richer ones will keep offering ridiculous amounts, leaving the not so rich ones having to mortgage themselves to the hilt to keep up.

Ernie Baywood
948 Posted 07/01/2013 at 02:19:32
Well Michael, first you need to tell me when the boom started. I'm guessing we would put it somewhere between the early 80s and early 90s.

It's not always boom or bust but this, right now, has every characteristic of a boom. It might be a long boom but it will bust.

Michael Kenrick
949 Posted 07/01/2013 at 03:15:53
So what you're telling me, Ernie, is that, for 20 or 30 years (give or take) it's been all boom, and no bust... is that right? I don't wanna put words in your mouth, but I don't recall no bust in that time.

You say the bust is coming. If I thought you knew, I'd ask when? But I think you're now blowing smoke.

Harold Matthews
950 Posted 07/01/2013 at 02:31:17
I've lived through the blitz of WW2, been hit by a train, run over by a car, stood directly in front of three nuclear bombs and survived several near fatal skirmishes in both the RAF and The Army.

Life has taught me to appreciate each day as it comes. Eventually a sticky situation will arise and, when it does, I will deal with it. Meanwhile, I will continue to enjoy every single second of this wonderful Premier League season.

The last words of Mark Twain. "I have had many worries... None of them ever happened."

Anto Byrne
955 Posted 07/01/2013 at 04:42:21
The Premier League is an unsustainable business model. The reliance on money from TV and merchandising leaves clubs with cashflow levels not supported by normal day-to-day operations. Should Everton (god forbid) get relegated (form and injuries etc), we would have to sell to stay afloat and it's not an easy job to bounce back and then stay in the Prem. Until some form or salary capping is introduced and clubs are restricted to the number of transfers they can do in the January window, then nothing will change and the EPL will implode sooner than later.
Tom Hughes
956 Posted 07/01/2013 at 04:17:20
Harold.... did Mark Twain know BK though?

I too am enjoying much of our footy this season, and I know who is responsible for it, and perhaps more importantly who isn't. If by the end of the season David Moyes decides he's had enough of performing miracles on a shoestring, and moves on to pastures new where he might not have to continually sell prized assets, or live off loan-deals. Then perhaps a few more will see who has been the real driving force for all that is good about our club at present.

How much greater would our season be if we had been viewing it from the Kings Dock stadium with regular 50k+ attendances roaring us on, and our future assured in one of the finest stadia in Europe? How much more harmonious would the fanbase be if we hadn't had the DK debacle? Not to mention the shameful wasting of valuable time and club resources on a complete non-starter of a project?

So yes, we can all revel in some great footy, and the panto across the park even...... but we should never lose grip of reality nor forget the missed opportunities that might have seen us fighting for greater than top 4 status. Waiting for DM to bid farewell will be too late! I'm also not sure they were Mark Twains last word's btw.

Harold Matthews
959 Posted 07/01/2013 at 05:15:16
Not too sure about the Mark Twain bit either Tom. Heard it years ago and it seemed to fit.

Your KD fantasy will bring a lump to the throat of Evertonians everywhere. Could it really have happened?

Despite the perpetual struggle would Mr Moyes want to give up such a well paid safe position? Personally I hope he stays but, at the same time, I do realise that his high ambitions may one day take him elsewhere.

As for Mr Kenwright, before joining ToffeeWeb, I thought he was a saint... but now I'm not too sure. The sorry state of our once magnificent stadium is really quite shameful.

Paul Andrews
963 Posted 07/01/2013 at 07:38:42
Harold, phew you don't have much luck, mate, trouble seems to follow you around... Any chance you could move to Anfield?
Ernie Baywood
969 Posted 07/01/2013 at 09:47:38
That's exactly what I'm saying Michael. The boom started in the 80s and accelerated through the 90s. I don't know when it will bust, but it will.

Premier League clubs lose an obscene amount of money and have ever increasing debt. You don't think that's a classic boom mentality? Borrow more because the TV money ALWAYS increases?

At some point the TV money won't increase. What will drive that is up for debate. Personally I think it's when the growth in the Chinese TV market slows as it approaches saturation.

Chris Williamson
985 Posted 07/01/2013 at 10:56:29
Denis - I agree clubs will pay out what they can afford to attract the players they want. Pretty soon though, we could dispense with the whole effort of the league season, and just rank teams, mid August, based on their bank balances, or net worth.

We, as fans, need to change the expectation we have of players in our clubs. We wouldn't want a cheat like Suarez at Everton, at any cost, surely. I'm proud of what our players do for the community, but still think it does not justify what they get - even at our impoverished club.

Jose Etxeberria, 31 at the time in 2008, signed a one-year contract extension with Athletic Bilbao which saw him play the final season of his career for nothing. Why don't we see that more often? After all, a modern seasoned pro, is set up for several lifetimes - so why not play for nowt in the less effective years?

James Davies
986 Posted 07/01/2013 at 11:10:13
If a wage cap happens – and it would have to happen across the whole of the footballing world – then clubs would just find more inventive ways of lining players' pockets to ensure they sign. Money would still win out and it would still be the richest clubs that prosper.

Greed has ruined most things on this planet, it won't stop as long as there's money to be made.

Tony J Williams
987 Posted 07/01/2013 at 11:11:42
Aren't we one of the cheapest teams to watch?

The bubble won't burst because Sky or Virgin are in most households with tellys in them. Not just for Sky Sports but for normal telly , internet and phones.

The money will never go out of the game and the successful clubs who avoid administration will keep going and going.

There will always be a demand for footy, the only way they will lose lots of customers is if they go back to the pay per view way they used to. The fella who brought up that idea probably got kicked out of his office after the first season.

Sam Higgins
988 Posted 07/01/2013 at 11:14:06
Why is everyone so concerned for the future of the club when we have it on cast iron authority that a takeover is imminent? And I frigging quote ladies and gents:

'It's coming' (Tolman, R Blue Future, (2013) Kenwrick Publishing)

Tony J Williams
989 Posted 07/01/2013 at 11:30:56
Watch this space Sam, watch this space........
Kevin Tully
990 Posted 07/01/2013 at 11:30:45
We are in the worst economic downturn for 80 years. Some countries are on the verge of going bankrupt.

The Premier League has just signed it's biggest ever TV deal.

Modern football is recession-proof.

Kieran Fitzgerald
993 Posted 07/01/2013 at 11:30:58
Most clubs have become both lazy and stupid and have all too easily taken advantage of the easy money that comes in from Sky every year.The only two genuine exceptions to this would seem to be Utd and Arsenal.

I have to agree with Michael that Everton were very well placed at the start of the Premier League era. Successive boards did not make the most of it. If you look at Man Utd, yes, onfield success has helped and they were in a good position before the Premier League ever started in terms of branding. But, the club has been absolutely phenomenal in developing it's brand world wide and being aggressive in how it develops it's merchandising stream. And this is with the Glazers saddling the club with the debt that they did.

If you look at Arsenal, yes, they were propelled forward by on-field success under George Graham, and then under Wenger, but also had the right board in place to keep making progress. Right now, they are well on their way to paying for the new stadium through huge gate receipts and the sale of apartments developed in tandum with the new stadium. You can argue separately about Wenger not spending money on players but if any club was in a position to survive a bust in English football, it's Arsenal.

Chris Williamson
999 Posted 07/01/2013 at 12:26:16
Ummm — what made Man Utd a household name? Munich. They were loved worldwide, out of sympathy, before any marketing men go to work.

I wouldn't wish that kind of advertising on any club.

Nick Entwistle
008 Posted 07/01/2013 at 12:47:26
Surely a boom requires a market to perform well above its erm... capabilities. Isn't what we have now what is expected for the most popular league in the world?

As for tapping China, it's already been done, but as they only have state broadcasters there is no competition to drive prices up. China pay less for PL rights than any other market.

Dave Roberts
044 Posted 07/01/2013 at 14:58:01
Even if the Premier League bubble does burst the next big bubble for Sky et al to sink their their teeth into is already on the horizon.......Handball. There it was in the Olympics and now we have rat-face Suarez as the centre-fold in the promotional magazine.

There's always a way for the vultures to make money!

Steve Smith
131 Posted 07/01/2013 at 21:18:15
When's the bust going to come?
We're in the biggest recession for over two maybe three decades, peoples income is going down in real terms rather than up, taxes are high and getting higher, unemployment at its highest levels since god knows when.
Have Sky lost subscribers hand over fist? err no.......have Sky raised their subscription prices as they do every year? yes they have.
If the bust was coming it would have been now I reckon, it hasn't, and it probably won't for a long long time, that's not to say though that some clubs will fall by the wayside, they will have 20 other clubs queing up to take their place at the trough.
Roman Sidey
136 Posted 07/01/2013 at 20:36:23
To understand a bit better, how much does a ticket to a Premier League game at Goodison cost? When I was in London in December '11, I happened to be in town the night Everton played at The Emirates, and the cheapest ticket I could find about a month in advance was 88 quid, so I had to miss out. How much cheaper is Goodison, and would people pay much more than the current price?
Steve Smith
139 Posted 07/01/2013 at 21:56:49
Roman,
Tickets on a game by game basis around the £33 to £35 mark this season with full season tickets for under elevens going for £95.
Matt Traynor
160 Posted 07/01/2013 at 22:04:00
Steve #139 I think you're correct on the pricing, however there is great variation around that. You mention the U-11 ST for £95 which effectively looks like a reintroduction of the "Dad and Lad" tickets from a bygone era, although I don't know if it's 1 U-11 ticket per adult, or whether you could take as many kids as you want.

It's laudable from the fans of the future perspective, but the reality is we would struggle to sell out at full price for all tickets.

We do sell a lot of consignment tickets - I actually was fortunate enough to be able to go to our game at home to Southampton, and was able to take advantage of a spare consignment ticket - face value was a discount of around 35%. Now consignment tickets are a good deal in the sense there's no "sale or return" and they're not supposed to enter the resale market. I have no idea what proportion of our tickets are sold on consignment, but I would imagine that any company can apply, and any affiliated supporter group probably can as well.

I also get all the emails / text messages many of you will get, and they often offer discounts on buying for 2-3 games. All good, attractive deals. The problem I can see is if a season ticket holder sits down and thinks about it, if he/she is going to miss 1-2 games a year for whatever reason, and they're willing to trade off the regular seat, then it may make financial sense to forgo the ST and pay as you go.

Obviously if there's a group of you who all sit together there's an attraction there (but you could probably get around it by buying all the seats on a consignment basis...)

I have no doubt the club have worked and re-worked their pricing strategies to trade off between pricing and demand. I also have no doubt that the stadium, it's set up and operation etc. means it's more of a challenge. As pioneering as Goodison was in its various days, the game has moved on and Everton needs to change - something I've also no doubt the board are aware of, but are struggling to make happen in a way that benefits them.

Harold Matthews
162 Posted 07/01/2013 at 22:11:07
Don't worry, Paul. Some folk call me "Lucky Harry". I fell into many sewers but always came up smelling of roses.

I did visit Anfield once. Just after the war when Stoke were the opposition and I wanted to see Stanley Matthews. Unfortunately the left back gave him a good kicking and my hero was carried off. Never been near the place since.

Steve Smith
183 Posted 07/01/2013 at 22:48:32
Matt,

I was quoting St End prices, which is where I usually sit. I'm not really sure on how consignment ticketing works at the club so I can't comment on that aspect of it. You can now sell your season ticket seat for games you can't get to through StubHub, so having a ST could still save you a few bob rather than going on a game by game basis.

I personally don't think it's expensive to watch us play, but I only have to pay for myself these days; if I was taking a couple of kids with me, I think I would really struggle to do it on a regular basis.

As has been stated many times, Goodison's best days are behind it, but I really love the stadium, even now, with it's crappy (excuse the pun) toilets and food and drink outlets that have hardly changed since the seventies. There is still not a Premier League ground that compares to a night game at Goodison Park: you can actually feel the place moving under your feet when the ball hits the back of the net.

Roman Sidey
225 Posted 08/01/2013 at 02:33:46
So, what you're saying, Steve, is that we need to fuck the kids off from Goodison so we can sell more full priced tickets?

I think it's a good strategy to sell your ST seat if you can't make the game, but at the other end of it, that is probably taking £35 off the club, should the club install a system where you register your attendance before game day so the club can then resell your seat. Seems miserly, but it's these little bits and bobs that could go towards better facilities.

At the end of the day, the fans have to come first, but there'll be significantly less fans to consider if Everton are playing in the Champo. So, do the fans keeps pushing for value, or sacrifice an extra few pounds to help ensure the future of the club? Tough ask when the powers that apparently can afford to help out more don't, and probably don't pay a penny to watch the Toffees whenever they choose to do so.

Conundrum.

Paul Andrews
245 Posted 08/01/2013 at 07:55:57
Good for you, Harry, you learned your lesson early. All the best!
Matt Traynor
304 Posted 08/01/2013 at 13:30:19
Roman #225, the StubHub deal doesn't abstract money from the club. Currently if an ST holder can't make a game, he either sells/gives ticket to friend/family, or the seat goes vacant. Either way the club is paid. The club benefits from having a bum on a seat as it provides potential for more selling - catering, programme, merch. The StubHub deal is a way of formally allowing an ST holder to recoup some money for games they can't attend. I imagine StubHub pay some of their commission to EFC for the issuing of a new ticket.

The club depends on the STs for advance money up front - that's the supposed benefit of getting a reduced sum than if all tickets were bought individually. I don't think the club should be making STs any less attractive than they already are, for adults.

Steve Smith
313 Posted 08/01/2013 at 14:16:04
Roman:

I don't know how you've come to that conclusion, you asked for the ticket prices and I gave you them. I haven't made any comments about fucking the kids off, in fact, I think it's a brilliant idea.

Roman Sidey
400 Posted 08/01/2013 at 19:45:07
If Stub-Hub are paying a fee to EFC, Matt, then that's sort of what I'm getting at anyway.

Steve, I read between the lines and figured out that you obviously want less kids at Goodison...

Andrew James
463 Posted 09/01/2013 at 00:22:57
I like this Harold Matthews guy. I want to hear more...

Especially about the war and standing in front of bombs.

I also want to know if he ever saw Dixie? By his age I doubt it but you never know...

Andrew James
466 Posted 09/01/2013 at 00:33:37
That wasn't meant to be disrespectful BTW...

My grandad was a soldier and a season ticket holder; I just wish I'd asked him more about seeing William Ralph...

Harold Matthews
516 Posted 09/01/2013 at 08:01:23
Sorry, Andrew & Paul, I never saw Billy Dean play but caught sight of him off duty a few times. Many years later, my mum and Mrs Dean were in adjoining hospital beds. She was very elderly but still beautiful, and I know this sounds crazy, I acted as if I was in the presence of royalty. Couldn't help it. A combination of True Blue and great respect I suppose.

The Nuclear Tests were at The Monte Bello Isles and Maralinga and because we were without protective clothing there are not many of us left.

Incidentally, while stationed in Perth, I played for a team called Caledonians which may now be extinct. This led to a call-up for a match billed as England versus Australia which we won 4 - 1 in front of a packed stadium. A great honour and a game made easy by all the ex-pros in the team who seemed to be everywhere.

The army stuff I can't talk about. I was attached to a highly classified unit and will always be bound by The Official Secrets Act.

For the last thirty years I have been a full time professional Racing Artist. Horses, ladies with big hats etc... My work has hung in the Royal Academy, Newmarket Racing Museum and many galleries both here and abroad. So you see lads. I have been lucky... and no. I do not have a website. Would not know how to do one.

These days I'm not so prolific but would like to give you the odd free print or two if a way could be found to do so. Toffeeweb would have to sort it.

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
622 Posted 09/01/2013 at 17:10:54
Hmmmm.... seems like time for opening a new Gallery section:

The Life and Works of Harold Matthews — raconteur, secret agent, failed footballer, and artiste extraordinaire to the racing fraternity.

High quality digital lithographic reproductions direct to your iPhone.

[Thinks: Maybe we could charge and make some money here...]

Jon Cox
665 Posted 09/01/2013 at 21:12:04
Michael, you are really into it tonight wow. Everton make a loss of something or other million and the world is at an end!!! Woe is EFC.

Behave. I've not read one comment on here that says this is a classic tax dodge. Or, to put it another way "Creative accountancy". How do you think Abramovich does it for Chelski? Have all you people been to the Tony Blair school of finance and ethics? I love it, it's so funny.

Andy Crooks has defo got a point. In as much as the bubble at some point will burst, but I'll tell you what, for all you younger Evertonians (God bless you) check out and keep an eye on the cut and paste of crowds, at least for the foreign viewers.

Paul Andrews
673 Posted 09/01/2013 at 22:06:20
Harold,

Good for you. You and your like put the Great into Great Britain. A very eventful life by the looks of it.

Steve Smith
688 Posted 09/01/2013 at 23:51:06
Harold,

Just been doing a bit of research on the Caledonians {founded in 1913} now called Bassendean Caledonians and still going strong it seems, during your time there, if it's the same club they would of been playing at Mann Oval in Mosman Park, a western suburb of Perth. You may also be interested to know that a book was written about the club by John Williamson called, Soccer ANZACS the story of the Caledonian Soccer Club. Don't know if it's still in print but you would probably find a copy on e-bay.

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