Jelavic, the new Andy Johnson?

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I know there will be lads on here, stating Jelavic isn't having any luck, it's a confidence issue.... this is a knee-jerk reaction etc. But in my opinion, we are seeing a completely different player to the one who was banging them in for fun last year.

He is dropping deep all the time, he spends most of the game playing out wide, when you want him in and around the box. He seems to be doing more on the defensive side of his game, working hard for the team. (I hate all this "He's working hard"...)

Here's the thing: I don't want him running round working hard for the team, defending etc — I want him banging them in for fun again!!!

There will also be those who will just say this is another excuse to have a go at Moyes but, for me, Moyes is the problem. You could see him asking for more from Jelavic: work harder, get back and defend, because that's what Moyes expects from his players. For me, this is having an impact on his natural game though, and that's scoring goals.

So... Jelavic — the new Andy Johnson?


Brian Waring, Wokingham     Posted 14/01/2013 at 15:05:30

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Sam Hoare
659 Posted 14/01/2013 at 13:40:37
Can we dispense with this farcical myth that Moyes somehow trains goalscoring out of strikers!!

Jelavic is playing pretty much exactly how he did last season with the exception that last season he put away the majority of half chances and this season he hasn't. Hopefully its just a dip in luck/form.

Also hate to say it but if you think that strikers can't work hard, run the channels and still score goals then look across the park at rat face.

Amit Vithlani
660 Posted 14/01/2013 at 13:27:28
Jelavic is being run into the ground, just like AJ and Beattie, bla bla bla zzzzzzzzz

A few things. He is a better player than AJ and Beattie and deserves to be in the team on ability. He can hold the ball up, makes very good runs off the ball and has a very good work rate - people appear to be accepting that Jelly puts himself about for the team, as the argument now runs that he should be stationed in the box (not on the subs bench). Yet despite his work rate, he still gets himself into goalscoring positions.

Turning the Swansea RB at the far post in the box to get a toe end to the cross from Pienaar in the first half was pure Lineker, as was the instinctive poke vs Cheltenham.

To continue the analogy, I may not always ask my plumber to lay bricks, but if I can't afford a brick layer and my plumber can do the job is still a solution. Having world class plumbing but no bricks to shelter it is no good either.

One final point. Jelly is a victim of one the team's strengths this season. We are not dependent on one player for our goals. So he will not always get the service he craves, as there are multiple attacking threats in this side. Saturday was one of those rare occassions where collectively the team failed to produce a goal. I would much rather have multiple threats then be dependent on one or two players for our goals.


Shane Corcoran
670 Posted 14/01/2013 at 15:28:54
I had a James Beattie feeling about him when he was signed.

Initially, I was glad to be proven wrong but now I'm not so sure.

Kevin Hudson
675 Posted 14/01/2013 at 15:34:58
Ian Rush worked as hard as any striker, so does Wayne Rooney. This shouldn't be a problem for a highly-trained athlete. Leighton Baines probably covers more miles than anyone, and doesn't seem burned-out.

Had Jelavic converted a couple of sitters, and scored his free-kick against Chelsea, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. So slim are the margins.

Barry Rathbone
677 Posted 14/01/2013 at 15:35:04
Agree Brian, the signs are frighteningly familiar the next step is usually a falling out with Moyes.

I really rate Jelavic but playing deep and out on the wing is a Moyes trick we've seen far too often, actually the whole square pegs in round holes is his stock in trade.

Mystifying.

Craig Walker
679 Posted 14/01/2013 at 15:54:34
I like Jelavic and think he will come good again. When he first joined, he was the best finisher we'd had at the club since Lineker. It's not his fault that he's the only decent striker we've got at the club. He's almost trying too hard and thinking about it too much at present. When he first arrived, he seemed to react to chances on instinct.

I'd be interested to know people's opinions though on which player you would choose between Naismith and Beckford. I never really understood why we let Beckford go. He wasn't that great but he got the odd goal, was cheap, young and I think offered more of a threat than Steven Naismith does currently. Naismith can trap a ball further than I can kick one!

Kevin Tully
680 Posted 14/01/2013 at 15:59:30
Never mind AJ - the Yak went on to score 17 the season after he left us, for a relegated side.

The lucky bastard !!!!

Andy Whittingham
681 Posted 14/01/2013 at 16:05:32
He plays so deep he's never offside..

http://www.sportskeeda.com/2013/01/13/players-with-most-number-of-offsides-in-the-premier-league/

Tony J Williams
683 Posted 14/01/2013 at 16:14:32
Only the second time this season we have failed to score.......don't think the problem is that end really.

As already said, he is getting the chances but instead of burying them like last season, he is hitting the post/bar/goalie or thin air.

Also, if you actually watch the games from last season, he missed quite a few sitters there too, but no-one was saying it was due to Moyes/Round's coaching then.

Danny Broderick
684 Posted 14/01/2013 at 16:16:11
He looks like he needs a rest to me. I was surprised he played against Cheltenham, I would have thought he could have recharged his batteries. At the moment, he looks like a pale imitation of last year's player to me.

In fairness to Moyes, we have been creating a hell of a lot of chances this year, so I don't think you can blame Jelavic's lack of goals on him. In previous years, our negative approach spelt the end for Beattie, Johnson, the Yak etc. I don't think you can say that this time round. He just needs to start putting the ball in the net more often, simple as that.

Ian Allaker
686 Posted 14/01/2013 at 16:14:14
He's just having a Torres moment, all strikers will suffer from lack of form and have a dry patch except for Messi and Ronaldo it seems but it doesn't matter who their manager is they still score lots of goals. It's the player, not the manager. There was an interview very recently before the FA Cup game where Moyes said Anichebe has a habit of drifting out wide to find space to get the ball even without being asked to do so. Maybe Jelly is doing the same.

Is SAF shite as well because he has Rooney running around all game? Again maybe you should consider that the player like to be involved and help the team where as others are more selfish or lazy and like to stand in the box all game. Do you think if we signed Owen he would be running the channels? I don't think so, again the player plays his own game.

Name me a manager who does get the best out of their strikers?

James Martin
688 Posted 14/01/2013 at 16:16:27
He's often pulling off left to make room for Fellaini in the box. If Fellaini had any skill to act as a provider in any other way than knock downs then Jelavic wouldn't have to make these runs. Do you think Drogba made them to allow Mata to get into the box? We need to stop building every aspect of our team aorund Fellaini. If we had a proper number 10 there slotting balls through to Jelavic do you not think he'd have more goals this season. He is having bad luck, he could have had a brace against Chelsea, some against Westham and one against Swansea. He's got more natural talent than AJ or Beattie ever had, could either of those two do what he did against Tottenham and Sunderland? He's making similar movement to what he did last season but people just aren't finding him and that includes Baines, when he gets into the box he is hesitating on the pull back in a way that no one was doing last season.

Moyes doesn't kill strikers but he is limiting Jelavic's effectiveness in the team by building it aorund Fellaini's ability to get on the end of some good service. As we've shown against Swansea though, when Mirallas doesn't play and Pienaar is off colour the service isn't there and that's when you need your poacher in the box, not on the left wing dragging a centreback out so that Fellaini can have some room in the box. Sell Fellaini and get a real ball playing number 10 who will feed Jelavic.

John Ford
689 Posted 14/01/2013 at 16:07:22
I'd be more concerned if he didn't work hard out wide. Working hard in these areas and scoring goals aren't mutually exclusive, as most good forwards have shown (RVP, Michu, Rooney, the Norwich fatty, Aguera).

Amit is right, we're getting goals from more areas this season, and Jelavic's work is partly responsible for that. Not to counter my own point but this puts me in mind of Bob Latchford. He did absolutely nothing in wide areas, or in the deep. Also he hardly ever celebrated unless an Everton goal had come from his own boot or forehead. He knew that was his job and didn't like anyone else doing it. He was a fat lazy bastard, but he's Number 1 on my list of blue heroes!

Paul Ellam
692 Posted 14/01/2013 at 16:39:32
I am not worried — he is doing fine. Yes we want more goals but they will come. He is not another Beattie and never will be!
Andrew Ellams
697 Posted 14/01/2013 at 16:51:47
I'm all for him working hard in and around the box, holding the ball up, pulling defenders around to create space for others but I am getting fed up with seeing him punt crosses into the box that he should be on the end of. Maybe we will see less of that when Mirallas is back working on the flank but I won't hold my breath.

I know it was a run and cross from him to set up Vic's goal at Newcastle but we don't have two forwards on the pitch often enough for that to be a regular thing.

Drew O'Neall
700 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:01:00
Pretty lazy piece to be fair.

Jelavic has stopped scoring, Andy Johnson stopped scoring = Moyes stops strikers scoring.

It's also pretty lazy to end your analysis of a striker with how many goals he scores. If we win 3-0 every week and Jelavic doesn't score again all season, I'll be absolutely delighted and I will consider him to have played well.

Count the chances he is getting, he and the team are carving out MORE chances than last season in my opinion.

After we've made the chance, a lot of whether it goes in is luck, then it starts to get psychological (a bit like if you toss a coin and start getting more heads than tails - you start to second guess), but you definately cannot blame it on the coaching.

Ian Allaker
703 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:10:05
Anyway what is all the fuss? he hasnt stopped scoring, Torres went far longer without scoring Cisse at Newcastle was ace last season as well, it happens. Just because he's not scoring 2 every game like Messi doesnt mean Moyes has ruined, his scoring record is still quite good, there is no way he was going to keep up the record of last season. Its just like the young Mexican kid at Man Utd, he had a great first season, when he was playing well above himself, a crap second season where he was playing below himself now he doing ok and he's found his level.
Roman Sidey
704 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:10:14
I can't believe the lengths people will go to prove their point. Saying that Jelavic's problem shouldn't be down to being spent because Rooney and Suarez can run all game and still score is like comparing a Ferrari to a Toyota, and we have a Toyota.

Yes, Jelavic has been getting into position to score, but does anyone know how much fatigue plays a part in being able to get that extra inch when trying to finish? A lot of the time, a striker needs to run like hell to get to the position, then stop, then start again when the ball gets to them. When you need to run in the middle of end of a game, you can ignore that fatigue, but to have to start again in an explosive manner is very difficult.

The track record is beginning to speak for itself. Beattie, Johnson, Yakubu, Saha. They all suffered from being asked, or forced, to play a game they weren't adept to, and all faded prematurely.

Pat Campbell
706 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:25:48
To be honest, I am disappointed with Jelavic this season. He gets caught offside too much for my liking.
Eugene Ruane
707 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:25:37
He's an out-and-out striker and needs a goal, that's all.

(ok, one criticism - he needs to look along the line before making his runs - not surprised he has most offsides).

Steve Edwards
708 Posted 14/01/2013 at 16:56:47
I tend to agree with this posting. Yes, some players can put in a big work rate and still be cool enough to slot in the chances when they arrive. Unfortunately that doesn't apply to all strikers. Not everyone has that sought of engine and I think this is the case with Jelavic.

When he first arrived last year, he wasn't running around like a headless chicken. I think he – to put it bluntly – is 'nackered' when the chances arrive. One of the greatest strikers that played the game was also one of the laziest, Denis Law. I once saw him at Anfield, before the game the talk was all Denis and what he would do. Eighty five minutes gone, Liverpool are one up and The Great Denis Law hadn't had a kick. Full time and Man Utd had won it 1-2. I think he had only touched the ball twice during the game. Law was the best striker in the country at the time.

Not everyone has an engine like Suarez. I don't remember Latchford working his bollocks off. Some strikers can do it but not everyone and I think Jelavic falls into the second category.

Phil Walling
710 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:26:26
It`s well known that it was Davie Weir who convinced Moyes to take a punt on both Jelavic and the utterly useless Naismith.Moyes watched Jelavic countless times without being overly impressed.on both counts his initial judgement was the right one.Now he`s stuck with AJ2 and a total numptie !
Ian Allaker
711 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:25:28
Roman, its quite rare for a player to consistantly score lots of goals season after season. Those kind of player cost a lot of money and usually end up in the best teams with the most creative players around them to help them continue to score. He is just having 2nd season syndrome like Cisse, Chicharito the season before.

As for the track record, Beattie only ever had one freak good season no matter who was his manager so I don't think it has anything to do with Moyes. Most of AJ's goals were in the Champiosnhip so he was always going to struggle to keep up the standard. Yakubu did well, had a dip in form got injured and then fell out with Moyes. Saha also did well but it was clear he was passed his best and we were only ever likley to get a couple of good seasons out of him, thats why we go him so cheap.

Peter Foy
716 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:38:49
Here's a theory.

When Jelavic was playing alonside Cahill his scoring record was great because of Tim's work ethic. This also coincides with Tim Cahill's goal drought.

Fellaini isn't the same player as Cahill so now Jelavic is having to do all the legwork and as a result he's scoring less goals.

I blame Cahill.

Roman Sidey
717 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:40:50
As I said on another thread, Ian, he's missing goals in a way that suggest he either isn't getting enough finishing training, or he's knackered. When Saha dropped off he was rarely in position to score as he'd struggle to make the 25 yard mark. Johnson was out at the corner flags for most of his time after his first season, same with Yakubu. Beattie, I'll admit was a bit of a strange one.
Ben Jones
731 Posted 14/01/2013 at 18:36:29
Hmm, I'm not sure if its a change of coaching or anything like that.

It might be a mental thing, a confidence issue, but even if he's not playing that well, he still has 7 goals in the league, and I'm sure a couple more in the cups. I don't buy the Fellaini argument, because if that was the case, he wouldn't have played very well last season.

Just one of those things, and like a poster said, a Torres moment. I do certainly think he needs a breather, which is why we need a new striker or a new winger, so Anichebe can have a go up front for a bit.

Robert Patterson
742 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:08:34
Just a thought, I remember his name being linked with a German club, and to my mind he hasn't been the same since... Hoping I'm wrong.
Nick Waters
744 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:14:12
I think we have already seen the best of Jelavic. It felt too good to be true last season, and it now looks like it. Even when he has chipped in with a goal, like last week at Cheltenham and in the Sunderland and Tottenham games really crucial ones, he hasn't pushed on.

And Peter (716), Cahill's drought lasted a year before Jelavic arrived.

Brian Waring
745 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:11:47
Drew (#700) — AJ had pace to burn, and instead of that pace being used through the middle, he was forever chasing long balls into the corners like a chicken with no head. Now, if you're the coach, you try and utilise that pace, not expect him to run around, like I said, as a chicken with no head.
Brian Waring
746 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:19:41
To say Rush, Drogba etc worked hard for their teams, here's the thing though, Jelavic isen't a Rush or a Drogba and never will be, they were both in a different class to Jelavic.
Ian Bennett
754 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:18:44
The stats for Johnson need to factor in the penalties he used to take. At Palace he scored 21 goals, with 8 being penalties in the Premier League — so 13 in open play. He then went on to score 12 and 10 for Everton, where I think I am right I saying Wegner claimed he dived (which dried up his game) and he was no longer on penalties to the same extent with duties split with Arteta. He also had a couple of injuries in the second season which restricted his appearances.

Yes, he got shunted out wide, but I think saying we broke Johnson isn't quite the full picture, he just was never great in the beginning. That said I liked Johnson (in comparison to Spencer, Brett, Madar and Bakayoko, he was Plantini) but we certainly did well to move him for £10.5m, as he has scored just 13 Premier League goals in 3½ seasons at Fulham. He must be one of their top earners also.

Brian Waring
756 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:34:53
Johnson's at QPR now, Ian... I think???
Brian Waring
758 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:37:09
Roman makes a good point, when you see Jelavic, he always looks knackered. Must be all that 'Working hard' for the team.
Jim Knightley
759 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:25:43
I think it is just an off period... I'm confident he will be a 15 goal a season kind of guy for us over the course of his career. He has played a lot of football over the past 18 months as well... for us, for Rangers and for Croatia. Hopefully this 9 day break will give him at least a little bit of a rest.
Sam Hoare
761 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:31:40
Jelavic was showing the same work rate and scoring last season. It may be that he needs a break or maybe last season was beginner's luck... either way, we could really use a striker to put away the chance we are creating.
Joe McMahon
762 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:45:09
Barry (#677) – do you think Moyes would have been good at Battleships board game?

To be fair, plenty of chances have been created, he just hasn't scored them. He is drifting out wide a lot, but hit the bar & post against Frank Lampard's south of Watford multi-billionaire media machine.

James Newcombe
768 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:59:02
Johnson is at QPR... Picked up quite a nasty injury at the start of the season as well.

I think Jelavic needs a good rest. Some ridiculous comments on here, if he was that poor he wouldn't have scored all those goals last season. They can't all have been down to luck. In fact I remember some very classy one-touch finishes!

Ian Bennett
769 Posted 14/01/2013 at 20:00:55
Brian - you're right, totally forgot. Qpr, a retirement home for footballers, shame they didn't get joe cole to complete the set with dyer!

Surely, a better question is Andy Johnson the new jelavic. The answer is no, end of debate.

Kris Boner
771 Posted 14/01/2013 at 19:48:21
In a team like ours, where the goals are shared around then it would be fair to say a 15 goals-a-season man probably is all we need for a challenge on the champions league. To be successful year on year though we may need more. Or another striker who chips 10 or so.

Which on the going rate is Anichebe having a rather successful season from the bench, and Jelavic finishing the season stronger when we have Gibson and Mirallas back, hopefully for longer periods than the start of the season.

Andy Gleaves
773 Posted 14/01/2013 at 20:09:18
Yes, I agree with the assessment that Jelavic is being run into the ground... our play is so predictable at times it's scary – that's why we could not break Swansea down!

Yes, they did a job to be fair but it's up to Everton to have variation and different options, which we don't have too many of. In the case of Jelavic, when we signed him, he had his own style and has now since probably been brainwashed by "track back" Moyes!! — and "cover more ground" and all that shite!

We need to get the ball moving faster through the middle of the park and not just down the left, where everyone is sussing that out, with Pienaar and Baines, but vary the play a bit, that should create more for Jelavic to get on to!!

Dan Brierley
776 Posted 14/01/2013 at 20:02:14
I don't understand the logic of this 'Moyes destroys strikers' angle.

Can somebody please tell me why Moyes would ask a striker to run into the corners? What would be the benefit in doing so? Or are you saying, that Moyes is deliberately trying to ruin the team?

I can see that Felli's advance forward has seen him scoring more goals early on in the season (he has scored more than Rooney, Torres, Lampard, Tevez and Mata), but I also give Jela credit there as he has made the movements pulling defenders away to give Felli the space to move into. And certainly, his finishing is nowehere near the levels of last year. He has plenty of chances this season, and his conversion ratio has been poor (by his own standards). That said, he has still scored six this season in the Premier League, so he is not exactly the same as the Yak, Beattie or Johnson when they hit a barren patch.

I just see this as another lazy piece that suggests a 5 million pound striker should be as consistent as the top strikers in the league. Dream on.

Tom Bowers
777 Posted 14/01/2013 at 20:10:33
Jelavic is still an excellent player and worth his place. I believe when Mirallas returns his output will increase goalwise. he problem has been without the incisive runs of Mirallas from a deeper position the opportunities have not opened up for the Jela/Fella offence as earlier in the season.

Whilst Anichebe tries hard he does not have the zip nor the skills to compliment Jela or fill in for Mirallas. More opportunities should be given to Vellios who shows a lot more movement and is dangerous in the air.

Neil Pickering
786 Posted 14/01/2013 at 20:34:01
Jelavic needs to start playing across the width of the 18-yard box and not out chasing balls on the flanks. He's working too hard, if that's possible, and needs to concentrate on getting in the box more. He will start scoring again, it's only a matter of time.
Dan Brierley
791 Posted 14/01/2013 at 20:41:44
So he should just let clearances he can get to just run out of play or to the opposition, and not move off the box Neil? Quite a strange statement.
Chris Corn
801 Posted 14/01/2013 at 20:56:00
Typical Fickle Evertonians. In the summer it was 'Kenwright will be rubbing his hands together ' etc etc. Now it's 'he's shit, one season wonder etc.'

He's a quality player and just needs a bit of luck. It's not as if he's not contributing. A couple of goals and he's back in double figures.

Sometimes, I swear some people want our players to fail so they can point the finger at someone.

John Malone
807 Posted 14/01/2013 at 21:17:50
All that Jelavic needs is early delivery into the box, the problem this year is Fellaini's up top with him and nothing is done first time everything takes two or three touches or isn’t put to him. I guarantee if Osman was playing behind Jelavic he'd have a lot more goals.
James Stewart
810 Posted 14/01/2013 at 21:36:24
We've missed Mirallas. I think he is most important than Jelavic even. He has pace and that is something we don't have in attack without him. I am surprised Oviedo hasn't been used more in his absence.

We badly need to make a few signings. If we don't strengthen now it will be the biggest waste since we last finished in the top 4. I don't blame Moyes for not signing a new contract. We can't even give him a budget of a championship side.

Paul David
811 Posted 14/01/2013 at 21:33:28
I agree part of the problem is Fellaini. I said earlier in the season that Fellaini isn't technically good enough to play in the hole but got shouted down cos of his scoring record (which is a fair point). If Fellaini played as a normal midfielder I would still expect him to score more than his fair share but Jelavic would score a lot more with a creative player behind him or a proper strike partner.
Dick Brody
815 Posted 14/01/2013 at 21:45:54
Everyone is making excuses and theories ranging from Jelavic is low on confidence and form to Moyes is running him into the ground.

But my view has always been very simple. We have never had a full season from Jelavic so what if this is his true form.

What if the last part of last season was a honeymoon period. An anomaly where Jelavic went through a purple patch and scored a lot of goals. We all assumed that was his form but maybe he just hit the form of his life in a purple patch.

What if this season is his true form? We have had a better look at him now and to me he seems short of the quality to put goals away.

All the conspiracy theories and questions about Moyes asking him to work too much might just be a lot of nonsense.

What if last season was a purple patch anomaly? What if this season is his true form?

Andy Kay
816 Posted 14/01/2013 at 21:46:40
He's still getting into positions to score and still looks like a real threat that we haven't had since the Yak's first season with us.

I'd rather have his off days now than in the run in for the top 4 later ! 3 at Anfield would be a nice start...
Ian Bennett
817 Posted 14/01/2013 at 21:53:00
Dick - his record for rangers and Graz is decent. Yes, the EPL is a stronger league, but I still think he is good enough to score around 15 to 20 a season with good delivery.

John is right. To get the most out of him the delivery needs to be into the box that allows him to excel at his one touch finish. Osman probably us that person. Paul is right do you trade this for the goals from Fellaini up top?

Dick Brody
822 Posted 14/01/2013 at 22:04:38
Jelavic scored 36 goals for Rangers in 54 appearances. Which is a terrific tally and rate. But you have to remember the Scotish Premier League is little better than the English Division 1. Even Naismith (who I think we all agree now is pants) scored 33 goals for Rangers.

I don't say we should give up on Jelavic. I actually think he is useful and will score goals in the long run but at the moment he cannot buy a goal and maybe a spell on the sidelines will help.

Is it such a bad thing to send Jelavic a message.....Score goals or you wont be picked?

And would it really hurt Apostolos Vellios or Conor McAleny to have a couple of games? Both of them are 21 this season and they need to start gaining experience or Moyes might as well cut his loses and get rid of them to make way for Hallam Hope.

Ian Bennett
828 Posted 14/01/2013 at 22:20:25
Dick - the Scottish league isn't all terrible. Henrik Larsson wasn't bad was he.
Rhodri Cannon
831 Posted 14/01/2013 at 22:37:34
Paul David hit the nail on the head, without Gibson, we'd be better of with Fellaini in centre midfield with Osman with Pienaar playing behind Jelavic, with Oviedo on the left flank. Maybe even put Naismith behind Jela, after all he did say Naisy was the best strike partner he'd ever played with (or something along those lines)
Jay Harris
862 Posted 14/01/2013 at 23:40:06
We are playing more tippy tappy triangles around the box this year that suits Felli and Osman Pienaar and Mirallas but not Jelavic.

Jelavic likes to run onto a ball although for a big man his hold up play is not bad.

I just wish he would get his head on more though.

Anto Byrne
879 Posted 14/01/2013 at 17:53:11
Can't believe someone referred to Bob Latchford as a 'fat lazy bastard'. You obviously didn't see his walking on water exploits at the Baseball Ground. Up there with Sharpy and Lineker in terms of goal-scoring prowess.
Michael Parrington
884 Posted 15/01/2013 at 03:07:55
Six goals, two assists in the PL so far. Not perfect, but not terrible either, especially considering that Baines has only had two assists and Pienaar three. This shows he's doing some good work in creating opportunities for some of the other players to score.

That being said the stats don't tell the whole story, the lad definately looks a little out of form and low on confidence, but to suggest he's similar to Johnson. Please!

Jelavic has got more technical ability than Johnson could ever dream of, its just that he lacks a bit of pace. It's a pity you can't add the pace of Johnson to Jelavic, because then you'd have an extremely dangerous forward.

I think that he looks much better when Mirallas and Coleman have been playing. Perhaps its to do with them being willing to run at defences, down the right wing and give Everton serious options for opening up opposition teams on both sides of the pitch.

I'm interested to see how he does in the run up to May. But I would also like to see how Anichebe and Mirallas would combine.

Jason Lam
886 Posted 15/01/2013 at 04:25:10
Let Jelavic take our next penalty then watch the goals flowing.
Eric Myles
888 Posted 15/01/2013 at 05:13:05
AJ is with Sunderland, not QPR
Roman Sidey
889 Posted 15/01/2013 at 05:24:12
Do you mean Adam Johnson, Eric? Or is this a very recent transfer?
Chris Fisher
945 Posted 15/01/2013 at 11:40:02
I would agree but if you look at it he is actually still getting plenty of chances in games but he is not putting them away as easily as he did when he first joined us. AJ found himself out on the wings not getting any chances to score.

I think it's just a blip he's having, every striker has one even RvP did a few years back before he became a goalscoring machine. I think starting from Southampton on Monday night Jelavic will go on another goal scoring run that will last right up until the end of the season and see us into the Champions League spot.

Ruairi Furphy
959 Posted 15/01/2013 at 12:28:59
Jelavic will come good and the important thing is that he is getting the chances during the games; he is making the runs, he is finding the space but just not converting but every striker goes through this. Having said that, I would like to see Vellios given more than 8 minutes.
Derek Wadeson
964 Posted 15/01/2013 at 12:50:39
When you read a thread like this it just confirms why David Moyes is paid the money he gets and we pay to sit in the stands. Moyes knows what he is talking about and doing, we just talk and moan among ourselves. It must have something to do with all the coaching badges he has.
Steve Green
970 Posted 15/01/2013 at 13:47:23
Just the once in over 40 years of watching Everton have I been able to put the cigar on and enjoy the last 20 mins of a game against the shite. A leading factor in that singular moment of extreme pleasure was one Andy Johnson. For that reason alone, a mention of his name or sight of his face always bring a smile to me, and always will. Thank you AJ.
Jamie Barlow
976 Posted 15/01/2013 at 14:19:17
Me too Steve.

My smile always goes a little wider when the camera goes to the red shite in the crowd, sat on his own with loads of blues going mental around him.

Priceless.

Steavey Buckley
977 Posted 15/01/2013 at 14:36:13
The big problem as I see it and one of the reasons why Moyes was reported to be asking about Lampard, midfield don't score enough goals. Osman has had enough chances to kill the opposition off, but failed when it was easier to hit the target than when he missed. Every player should be aware when in front of goal, pick your spot and it should go in, only to be stopped by a good block or save. Osman conjured up neither.
James Martin
983 Posted 15/01/2013 at 15:08:28
Same could be said about Fellaini couldn't it Steavey? Open goal against West Brom, ball on the line against Swansea, a few passes into Vorm's arms early on in the match, and all this from an advanced role.

Osman should have four goals this season if the West Ham one had been given. Yes, he's missed a few shots but there were also some good saves in there from Cech. Not bad for someone playing as holding creative player.

Once again if we compare 'greatest goals' compilations of all the players in this squad you'll find that probably none compare to some of Osman's finishes over the years. Only took one home draw for him to become the usual scapegoat again didn't it.

Paul Andrews
006 Posted 15/01/2013 at 18:11:21
There has to be a compromise to Moyes's more attacking formation this season. The compromise is Jelavic chasing full backs and dropping into midfield. Little wonder he is shattered when the chances do come in.
Jimmy Kelly
013 Posted 15/01/2013 at 18:39:01
I think it's a pretty simple case of last seasons form making people have unreasonable expectations of him. I posted about this in the close season when people were on here saying he was a £25m striker and he'd score at least 20 goals this season. It was clear to me – and most people who watch football – that he wasn't going to be able to maintain that sort of form long term.

He's not doing too badly this year, and as has been mentioned above with a little more luck – hitting the bar and post against Chelsea, missing that chance by a whisker on Saturday, having a goalbound shot handled at Reading all spring to mind – he'd be well up the goalscoring charts as well. I think, and always have thought, that he'll be a good striker for us but one who scores around 15 goals a season, not 20-25. If he can do that, he's an absolute bargain.

Some people are determined to over analyse things, if you watch his performances last year and this I bet you'll only see one obvious difference and that's the number of goals. All the talk of running round too much is just typical "someone's to blame" rubbish.

Jeremy Benson
018 Posted 15/01/2013 at 19:08:23
I'm not too fussed about Jelavic's relatively low scoring form of late.

He is a such a poacher – he always seems to be in the right place at the right time, and he gets his foot on the end of things that other strikers wouldn't even be near, and he is still doing that.

The difference is that at the moment those little toe pokes just aren't going in – more through bad luck than anything else.

Also last season he had a lot of sublime one-touch finishes – he scored a lot of half-chances that were just rude to score from. He really would benefit from a quality partner to improve his chances, and that's not something we can blame on him. However, he's the kind of striker who could score in 3 or 4 consecutive games and the perceived problem disappears.

It's been too long since we had a 20-a-year striker. And there aren't that many in the Premier League outside the main suspects. If he scores 15 a season for us, I think that's a good return. He currently has 6 in 21; so I'm hoping for a 1 in 2 return for the rest of the season.

Tom Bowers
062 Posted 15/01/2013 at 22:18:27
We all hope Mirallas is not an injury prone player like Saha. He can set Everton alight and only for Ratboy we may be in a better position than we are now if Kev had played more games.
Hopefully before too long we can get our best eleven out with Gibson coming in for Pip to supplement Kev, Jela and Fella in order to get some wins together as the fight for fourth is going to be areal battle against the 3 London clubs.
Nick Entwistle
076 Posted 16/01/2013 at 00:09:11
Just wondering if anyone is signed-up to iTunes. You can download for free the FourFourTwo Opta ap where you can see passes made towards Jelavic. Kinda put this argument to bed either way.

Unfortunately even though it's free, you need to hand over CC detail just to sign-in, so nuts to you, iTunes.

Eric Myles
078 Posted 16/01/2013 at 00:34:34
Ooops Roman, you're right, I stand corrected, it's a different AJ!
Roman Sidey
081 Posted 16/01/2013 at 01:43:01
No worries Eric. Glad to help.

James Martin, while I'm infamously one of Osman's biggest detractors on here, I'm going to agree that when he scores, they usually are pretty sweet looking goals. I do think in the past he wasted a lot of chances for every goal he did score, but the fact that he doesn't have an ever present bullet shot on him, most of his finishes have some finesse.

Harold Matthews
087 Posted 16/01/2013 at 01:22:43
He's certainly very heavy-legged recently. Much of it caused by doing Fellaini's job who is playing as though his bags are already in the car.

Jelavic has scored few great goals from left wing crosses but has missed many sitters... and I mean REAL sitters (last minute v Chelsea etc).

The lad has always loved right wing crosses but they are just not happening. Hibbert can do it on occasion but not nearly enough. As for Mirallas and Coleman, they are both reluctant to cross the ball, preferring instead to cut in and have a shot. Fellaini quietly remonstrating with Mirallas has been a common sight.

I can't emphasize enough the importance of this leftside / rightside thing. People just don't want to listen... and it is definitely not in the Mr Moyes coaching manual. Otherwise he would have done something about it.

Long ago, when I was a bum right-footed centre-forward, I was never comfortable with left wing crosses. In the air or on the ground, they just felt the wrong way round. Some I would convert; some would cause me to make a complete hash of things. Like Jelly's Chelsea miss and Ossie's pathetic header.

On TalkSport, Andy Gray admitted to having the same problem. He said there is not one striker in the world who is equally proficient from both sides... including Ronaldo and Messi.

So that's it. If we are to get the best out of Jelavic we will require the services of Donovan, Valencia or Stanley Matthews.

Paul Andrews
095 Posted 16/01/2013 at 07:12:58
"Victor has been known to play wide right."

I would pick Stanley Matthews ahead of him, even though he must be 100 and odd years old.

Steve Cotton
100 Posted 16/01/2013 at 08:25:12
Harold, you seem to have cracked it, mate... now just to get you a job on the coaching staff...
Tony J Williams
107 Posted 16/01/2013 at 09:02:23
"Hibbert can do it on occasion but not nearly enough." – Probably because he hasn't played for months.

"Fellaini quietly remonstrating with Mirallas has been a common sight." – Not too common, he's hardly played.

"I can't emphasize enough the importance of this leftside / rightside thing. People just don't want to listen... and it is definitely not in the Mr Moyes coaching manual. Otherwise he would have done something about it." – What are you going on about fella?

"we will require the services of Donovan" – Annnnnnnd there it is.......fuck me!

Phil Bellis
115 Posted 16/01/2013 at 09:23:53
Tony J, If I read Harold correctly, he's simply stating the fact that most players have a blind side When I was playing centre-forward, totally right-footed, I was comfortable and competent (matter of opinion) heading when the ball came in from the right. From the left I used to head it with my shoulder or nose, more often than not – made Bret Angell look like Big Dunc.

I was subjected to hour upon hour of heading crosses coming in from the left – both directing them towards goal and "passing" with my head (it was, also, the first time I'd heard a coach say the phrase "peripheral vision"). The rest, as they say, is history, albeit of limited impact on the world of amateur football.

Harold Matthews
129 Posted 16/01/2013 at 10:42:08
Phil (#115) Much appreciated and well described. Maybe I went a little bit over the top. I don't know. Someone was always going to howl. It's that kind of issue and actually I expected more than one rebuke. Unless you have experienced this blind-side problem, it can sound a bit wacky.
Steavey Buckley
139 Posted 16/01/2013 at 11:55:20
Last season Jelavic was receiving much better service from a combined combination of Baines, Coleman, Landon Donovan and a rejuvenated Pienaar on loan from Spurs and the workhorses Tim Cahill and the Argentinian alongside him.

Even this season, Jelavic has scored important goals when Everton needed victory at home to Southampton and Spurs because of his instinct to be in the right place at the right time. This season, I don't think Fellaini or Anichebe give the same type of support. While everything this season seems to come exclusively from the left-hand side.

Ryan Rosenberg
152 Posted 16/01/2013 at 12:57:13
I don't subscribe to the whole "he's tired" and "he's out if form" argument. It's a tactical issue.

Last season, how was he banging his goals in? Tapping it in, one touch finishes from wide deliveries on the ground. His goal against Villa this season is a fine example, and probably the only example of him scoring a Jelavic-type goal this season. Watch how he drifts in and out and makes himself available to tap it in from a ball coming in wide.

He needs to play higher, with Fellaini up front we are using the long-ball more than ever, but that shouldn't be the way we feed Jelavic. He needs to work on his positioning and Moyes needs Baines to play it on the ground a bit more.

Phil Walling
156 Posted 16/01/2013 at 13:22:13
True, Ryan, Moyes's teams have always been obsessed with high crosses into the box. I remember AJ scoring some good goals at Palace with ground balls played through the middle — something that never happened here. So, perhaps, two quite different strikers are suffering the same fate!
Anthony Jaras
157 Posted 16/01/2013 at 13:27:51
Well done to Andy Whittingham, #681,

He has pretty much summed it up with this comment;

"He plays so deep he's never offside..
http://www.sportskeeda.com/2013/01/13/players-with-most-number-of-offsides-in-the-premier-league/"

So, argument over? It's clear that Jelavic doesn't play deep at all. End of thread?

Alan Newton
194 Posted 16/01/2013 at 16:57:04
Jelavic has come in for a lot of abuse in recent weeks, some of it probably justified, in the sense that you expect him to be doing better with some of the half-chances, but not all of it is justified.

Firstly, that's just it: a number of chances that have fallen his way have been half-chances. If we look at the Chelsea game, barring the fluff miss-kick in the final minute, many of the chances were half-chances and he was unlucky.

He has been through a dip in form in recent weeks (or event months), which is cause for concern, but I believe much of that has been down to the way we play. We've never had a striker who has been completely comfortable playing as a "lone striker". Not even Big Dunc was at his awe-inspiring best when playing along up front. Jelavic has had a loss of confidence and he's almost trying too hard. His work rate is right up there, but his eagerness is defeating him.... resulting in miss-kicks and constantly being off-side.

Coming back to the manner in which we are playing, this is a formation issue. Fellaini has been but up top just behind Jelavic, but this doesn't seem to be working for him and he often seems to be pushed out wide, where he is creating opportunities for others with a less than natural ability than he has to put the ball in the net.

I tend to think that, with Mirallas back in the side and Fellaini back in centre midfield, we would see a different Jelavic if Anichebe was played alongside him as a natural out-and-out front two. It's conjecture of course because I don't know for certain, I can only summise but, from what I've seen this season, the biggest problem for Jelavic has been our formation and the way he has been forced to adapt his game.

We also tend to play a lot of balls high into the box, which suits Fellaini much more than it does Jelavic. He's not a target man in this sense and does so much better with the ball into feet. When was the last time you could remember seeing a quality ball played into Jelavic's feet, or just in front of him, that he could run on to and finish? I can't recall 1 in the last 6 or 7 games.

Personally, I think we continue to give him our support and backing and see what is delivered when we have a formation that plays more to his strengths.

Andy Parsons
217 Posted 16/01/2013 at 19:22:14
Jelavic is struggling because he doesn't actually get great service. He also makes a lot of runs and doesn't get the ball delivered to him when he needs it – often it's after he's finished making his run. The fact he has to jog out to the wing to get a touch is a symptom of the fact he isn't getting the ball in the areas where he wants it.
Nick Waters
218 Posted 16/01/2013 at 19:24:45
Andy — in each of his last 2 home games he has missed a great chance, provided by decent service, and this on top of a disappointing return all season. The main factor could be bad luck, lack of confidence, or better monitoring of him by opposition coaches.

I do remember shortly after his arrival that a number of voices were whispering that he was a short-term impact player at every club he'd been at, possibly with itchy feet. Stories a couple of months ago about falling out with Mirallas about his selfishness had me worried that he was eyeing the exit door.

This hasn't been repeated (perhaps because of Mirallas's absence?) and may have been malicious gossip in any case, but it does pose a question — if they couldn't play together or if one had to be shown the door, who would you choose to stay?

Ian Bennett
223 Posted 16/01/2013 at 19:56:00
To be fair, Jelavic had some reason to be pissed off with Mirallas when he opted to shoot rather than lay off in some of those early matches.

He's been unlucky in my opinion in recent weeks. He hit the woodwork a couple of times against Chelsea (and then they scored straight afterwards), and he had another 3 or 4 decent, not sitter chances against Swansea. As long as he keeps getting the chances, he will score in a run. If he was missing sitters, or not getting anything it would be time to worry.

If he had scored some penalties, would we be saying anything?

Si Cooper
229 Posted 16/01/2013 at 19:26:06
Harold (#087) - I thought that was a good post; a proper attempt to determine the root cause.

I think it is harsh to say DM hasn't done anything to resolve the issue of the lack of a truly potent threat on the right, as Mirallas and Naismith must have been brought in with that in mind. Whether he has done it with one specific player in mind or just for team balancing is hard to tell (maximising the right-hand threat doesn't always seem to be at the forefront of his mind).

Shoddy response from TJW (below his normal standards) as it looks like misrepresentation to me. It doesn't take a genius to understand what you meant with those statements, and the editing of the last one (leaving out Valencia and Matthews) changes its emphasis completely.

James Martin
234 Posted 16/01/2013 at 20:29:08
Nick, he can't score every single chance. That's the ridiculous level some people are holding him upto here. Sorry he didn't score with the one decent chance he got against Chelsea and Swansea. Do you really think if we were laying one or two or three of these, which we should be at home, that he wouldn't get them? Everyone can see his poaching instinct remains intact as seen by his goals against Sunderland and Tottenham. I'd go as far to say that no-one in any Everton team under Moyes could have scored those. The anticipation and timing of the runs for balls that only had a small chance of coming through to him were amazing whilst the instant finishes were class.

Let's be honest, at times this season he has fed off absolute scraps. We've over-played, allowing massed defenses to funnel back rather than getting it forward to Pienaar and Mirallas. Jelavic can't make his trademark dummy run pull off if he has the whole of the opposition (and our) midfield in the box with him. He works best when the defense is running towards their own goal and he can follow them in with his movement and finish anything that comes across. Whenever we have got in these positions though we've seen far too many over-hit floated crosses to the back post for Fellaini (or usually nobody) or Baines has slowed down trying to tee up the perfect goal for someone on the edge of the box.

Compare this to somoene like Suarez who sometimes gets 5 or 6 guilt edged opportunities in a match, he's actually a pretty woeful finisher but even he takes one or two of them. Jelavic would be gobbling them up, but our transition play from front to back is just not quick enough. Suarez only has to beat one or two men as they're perennially on the break; Jelavic has to contend with congested boxes all the time.

As ever, I will blame Fellaini; sometimes holding the ball up is not enough, sometimes you want someone (like Mirallas was doing) in that number 10 role to turn his man and play Jelavic in first time, or set Pienaar free for a pull back to Jelavic. Not to hold it up and pass it back to Neville who then goes back to Jagielka and then it eventually goes wide for Baines to get some form of cross towards the back post in. It's not good enough!

Jelavic was getting loads of headed goals for rangers, and just look what he did when he got first time balls in from Hibbert v Man U and Coleman v Southampton (would have been two but for that wonder save). He needs to be given even a shred of room in the box; no striker is going to get 20 goals a season if he's constantly sharing the penalty area with both teams.

That sort of edge-of-the-box domination that we saw against Swansea looks good in terms of dominance, but the only way to score is from a header or a long shot. This tactic has been favoured far too much this season as our ability to keep the ball has increased and Fellaini's aerial prowess is being utilised. Perhaps last season (maybe with Gibson having more of an influence) we were going from front to back quicker and Jelavic was getting numerous chances per game ,the majority of which he was putting away. Those chances are just not there any more because we spend too long dithering on the ball rather than going for the jugular like Man Utd do.

You can see that Gibson is a Man Utd player, he'd rather play it forward and have it intercepted than go backwards or sideways, like Carrick he puts people on the front foot and their defense turned. When he doesn't play we just seem to go sideways, no-one is running, and their defense only have to shuffle from side to side.

Si Cooper
237 Posted 16/01/2013 at 20:29:40
"In each of his last 2 home games he has missed a great chance, provided by decent service, and this on top of a disappointing return all season. The main factor could be bad luck, lack of confidence, or better monitoring of him by opposition coaches."

Maybe the mythology is getting out of hand if we expect him to convert every great chance that comes his way. Never has and (I would think) never will.

Possibly part of the reason for what is reported in the first part of the first sentence is neatly encapsulated in the last part of the same sentence. The more frustrated he gets, the more likely he is to snatch at opportunities.

No short answers, if any exist at all (Could his 'mojo' be lost forever?). For me, it is simply a case of keep playing him and hope it clicks again for him soon. Would treat him differently if he looked disinterested or demotivated, which he doesn't to me.

Harold Matthews
268 Posted 16/01/2013 at 21:39:34
Steve (#100) & Si (#229):

Many thanks, lads. This thing has bugged me for years and it's a relief to get it off my chest. The best example being the famous Darren Bent missed header from a left wing cross which Harry Redknap's mother could have scored. Of course, he still manages to put the ball away from all over the place but the absolute glaring, red-faced howler is always on the horizon and the scenario is always the same.

And Si... You might well be right with the Naismith / Mirallas intended tactic. The same thought did occur to me later on. As for Coleman, he'll rarely cross the ball early but I'm not sure I'd want him to. He gives us something different. His sudden burst of pace and mazy dribbles never cease to thrill and the end product will continue to improve as he develops and matures. Quite a gem this lad. Hope we never lose him.

Phil (#115): Thanks again. It didn't turn out too bad after all. You were obviously playing down your ability as an amateur footballer. Hours and hours of practice and a coach who talked about peripheral vision, lead me to believe that you played for a really good outfit.

Brendan McLaughlin
272 Posted 16/01/2013 at 23:58:16
Harold #268
Not denying what you are saying but I think top strikers (no disrespect) learn how to tailor their approach to compensate for balls from their weaker side. I'm still in awe of Jelavic's header against Chelsea; came from the wrong side, he had mistimed his run but still managed to twist his body to get an almost perfect connection and the ball cannoned of the post/crossbar (can't remember). He's more than good enough to put them away irrespective of whatever area of the pitch they are delivered from.
Jimmy Sørheim
286 Posted 17/01/2013 at 06:35:16
Jelavic needs Gibson and Mirallas to play well enough these days, besides Pienaar, Jelavic is the only one willing to run forward with the ball. Recently we got Coleman back, though that helps it is not enough going forward.

I have a problem with Moyes unwillingness to mix his tactics when he is lacking players. Sending Barkley away and keeping Hitz makes no sense right now with Gibson out all the time.

Fellaini has been important to us, but he should either play him as midfielder or striker because Jelavic needs a regular partner. So far Jelavic has done not much so he should be dropped as Darren Bent got dropped at Villa.

Why continue to play a striker out of form? I am sure both Vellios and Anichebe is burning to do a better job! Give Vellios a chance from the start of games, we have a better team this season so Vellios will do better because of that.

Christine Foster
304 Posted 17/01/2013 at 09:31:17
Harold,

I totally agree with your view; when Donovan played, the whole team was balanced with real threat from either flank. Swansea could not have tactically played with two full backs to nullify Baines and Pienaar if we also had Donovan and Hibbert on the other side.

As a team we had more options, we were more difficult to handle and you also have the advantage of playing to our striker's good foot!

Makes sense to me..

Tony J Williams
329 Posted 17/01/2013 at 12:07:29
"Fellaini has been important to us, but he should either play him as midfielder or striker " — Jimmy, that's exactly what he did against Swansea, played up top with Jelavic then dropped back when Neville went off.

Christine, hopefully Mirallas will stay fit and we can have that balance again.

Brian Waring
444 Posted 17/01/2013 at 21:15:33
Amit (#660) sorry mate, send me your email address, that way any posts that I want to send into toffeeweb can be okayed by you first, that way it will avoid your zzzzzzzzzzz!
Nick Armitage
475 Posted 18/01/2013 at 00:01:41
Jelavic has his card marked this season, the lack of deep central support isn't helping and he is spending too long listening to Rihana's new single instead of chasing Phil Neville's lofted 'passes' in training.

Who cares? Not one fucker on here has the answer and neither does Moyes who earns a garage sized wedge of cash to get players like Jelavic scoring.

More importantly, Asahi lager is on offer in Sainsburys.

Peter Bell
538 Posted 18/01/2013 at 11:45:39
Nick,

Moyes does have the answer. Jelavic is the new Johnson, Bent, Beattie, Yakubu, Saha, & Beckford. He is just another name to the long list of forwards who have been left isolated up front on his own, due to the managers insistence on playing one up top.

Give the guy some support and he will bang in the goals.

Tony J Williams
539 Posted 18/01/2013 at 11:57:56
Peter, he was "isolated" (can you be isolated when Fellaini is in his way taking the balls meant for him?) last season but was scoring... how does that work then?
Kev Johnson
544 Posted 18/01/2013 at 12:18:43
I don't know why this thread has 100 posts. You guys are going round in circles. Surely it's indisputable that:

A: Last season was J's honeymoon period.

B: Defenders have worked him out to an extent.

C: Lack of goals has dented his confidence, making him less likely to score.

D: He's still a top striker, he's working hard and will come good again.

E: We are not playing to his strengths.

OK, E is a bit disputable, but not much. Fellaini is cramping his style. He needs early balls into the box. Think of that wonderful goal he scored in the cup against Sunderland, connecting with a cross from Gueye. Playing Fellaini deeper, perhaps with Naismith in behind Jelavic would be a solution, but that robs us of Fellaini's threat near goal, which has been a matchwinner for us.

That's the dilemma of being a manager — to what extent do you organise the team around individual players? You simply cannot play to everyone's strengths. You end up going for the optimum blend, don't you. Cahill worked well with Jelavic last season, although he wasn't much of a threat himself. Fellaini is kind of the opposite.

When Mirallas returns, it will probably help Jelavic. Not necessarily directly, in terms of him laying on goals for him, but because we will play in a different way which will take the focus away from Fellaini, thereby freeing up space for Jelly.

Peter Bell
564 Posted 18/01/2013 at 13:46:33
Tony J 539

Fellaini playing in the hole, like Cahill did, is not two up front.

Tony J Williams
580 Posted 18/01/2013 at 14:55:02
Peter, the point still stands, he was "isolated" last season too......yet he was scoring. Care to explain then how this season it is so much different "isolation"?
Lee Simpson
590 Posted 18/01/2013 at 15:21:54
What a load of shite. Jelavic has missed at least 10 guilt-edged chances this season. If he'd have scored them he'd be one of the top scorers. Hardly Moyes's fault that hes been missing chances. Everything he touched last season ended up in the back of the net. It's just football!!!

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