Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
Castles in the Air...
Once the infamous Real Madrid board give Jose Mourinho the mutually agreed option of departure having had Barcelona hand their ass on a plate this season, what would be the odds for Mourinho choosing a post-Moyes Everton for his next Premier League destination?
For anyone else the challenge of replacing Alex Ferguson would be a poisoned chalice, for the Special One the ultimate placation of his ego. But that will not be this summer. Everton with its small but effective number of star players would be a perfect make weight before the culmination of his domestic management at Old Trafford.
Without the recent history that demands the successes or expectations of his previous clubs, Mourinho would have, like FC Porto, a vehicle to further his myth and legend where any improvement on the club’s current place in the world of football would be heartily appreciated. And in all honesty a club very easy to leave behind once the call comes from down the East Lancs Road.
Forging his reputation at FC Porto without the large sums of cash to which he is now accustomed, the Everton transfer kitty too would showcase his budgetary responsibilities that Manchester Utd would comparatively require compared to the rise of billionaire owned clubs around Europe and the predicted power shift to the Bundesliga…
Of course this is idle and preposterous speculation about a season that is yet to be. But Everton compete in a sport in which recently a BBC reporter described as perennially shrouded in a stale hysteria. How very true. Every time the team takes to the pitch, it is for what? To enliven our midweek for next season, hopefully. But there’s always a waiting for next season, a next season that never comes.
So if the thought of the greatest manager for a generation sitting next to Steve Round is at best spurious, forgive me because there’s nothing positive right now about Everton. But the smaller club allure would be just the right kind of project until the times comes for Ferguson to put his feet up.
Nick Entwistle, Posted 13/02/2013 at 14:28:05
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962 Posted 13/02/2013 at 14:38:13
It's a nice dream to have that he would consider Goodison as his next project, but I fear it would be too much of a gamble even for the self-proclaimed special one.
But you make a good point about the special one maybe having to wait for the right English job to become available, but when he leaves Madrid he will probably move on to Germany and then hope to go to Manchester or Chelsea.
963 Posted 13/02/2013 at 14:39:39
Stop messing about, Nick, FFS.
965 Posted 13/02/2013 at 14:42:09
969 Posted 13/02/2013 at 14:53:21
974 Posted 13/02/2013 at 14:44:02
Who knows what goes on inside his mind? Maybe he would relish the chance of turning a once great club back into championship contenders on a shoestring budget, that would probably be more satisfying than doing it with hundreds of millions.
I don't think it will happen but I couldn't rule it out as I don't really understand the man. Imagine if he did come to Everton; for once, I would have to say Kenwright has got something right and that business of the last transfer window would be forgiven for me... but that would be the only thing I could forgive Kenwright and the board for if this came true.
976 Posted 13/02/2013 at 15:02:39
...this is the most realistic word used in the article...
007 Posted 13/02/2013 at 16:02:57
I do fear that with Bills money and ambition we are more likely to target someone like McClaren or Big Sam.
011 Posted 13/02/2013 at 16:16:45
016 Posted 13/02/2013 at 16:31:22
026 Posted 13/02/2013 at 16:57:28
I can see Jose walking out in front of the massed blue fans adoring every step the great man takes, Jose waving to these fans who adore him.
Sadly its the massed blue fans of Chelsea next season. He will take over from Benitez who in turn will replace Rodgers.
028 Posted 13/02/2013 at 17:10:00
030 Posted 13/02/2013 at 17:05:57
Anyway, forget Jose, its goin to be Phillip Neville - Player Manager. Sweet Jesus.
031 Posted 13/02/2013 at 17:16:15
Nice thought for a minute though I am not convinced he would be able to do any better than Moyes given budget restrictions.
Would love him as EFC manager though.
I agree with others that it is either Chelsea or City for him.
034 Posted 13/02/2013 at 17:23:34
038 Posted 13/02/2013 at 17:29:27
039 Posted 13/02/2013 at 17:21:59
What could Kenwright offer? Better wages probably but let's face it they have probably like Moyes earned enough to be able to retire anyway.
Come to Everton, for what? Having to sell your best players to balance the club's books, no transfer kitty to enable you to build a team competitive enough to challenge for honours. Bill will never get another as loyal as Moyes and I think he's had enough now of the false promises.
085 Posted 13/02/2013 at 19:36:48
090 Posted 13/02/2013 at 20:47:25
091 Posted 13/02/2013 at 20:34:00
Roy Keane would also be something of an obvious choice as another who is out of work and available. He would also be keen to prove himself again at the top level. He would be cheap and would also have a very high profile within the game. While being known as a disciplinarian like Moyes would stand to him, you would have to wonder if he could ever mellow enough to work with players from a manager's point of view.
Dave Whelan, the chairman at Wigan has always said that he would not stand in Martinez' way. What he would cost in terms of compensation to Wigan may be a stumbling block though.
Just for a laugh, I would just like to also mention Phil Brown. No wait, that's just horrible.
094 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:01:04
As nobody has yet answered your question I will give you odds of 1,000,000,000/1 special Evertonian rate, don't worry about the possible payout because Bill has given me his word that he will sub me the readies.
098 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:14:28
099 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:11:38
So, no thank you.
106 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:28:38
108 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:26:11
110 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:35:05
I would agree with you on Di Canio. I don't think he's the fool that he plays at all.
111 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:36:14
Suddenly people are talking about Hughes and Keane and I'm again hoping Moyes signs a new contract.
112 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:52:11
Really? Christ, and I thought Tony Marsh was negative.
"Mark Hughes is going to be an obvious shout..." If you're an idiot.
"Roy Keane would also be something of an obvious choice..." If you're totally fucking mentally ill.
I'm bored and off to bed, but three examples of why I don't post much any more. Too much absolute gibberish on this site to be worth getting involved in most conversations.
116 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:47:07
De Canio may be worth a wild punt. This is on the basis that I can't see anyone with premier experience exceeding what Moyes has done, they've all flattered and flopped eventually. So why not go a bit leftfield.
117 Posted 13/02/2013 at 21:58:03
Please god not Roy Keane or Mark Hughes.
120 Posted 13/02/2013 at 22:10:53
153 Posted 14/02/2013 at 02:27:53
The man is all about winning and coming to us would, unfortunately, be a mere transitional phase in which he demonstrates just how special he is before departing. It would never happen though because this board lacks the guts to even approach someone of his standing. Here's a bit of evidence to back this up;
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Real-Madrid-boss-Jose-Mourinho-exclusive-I-d-NEVER-manage-Liverpool-but-would-boss-Manchester-United-Arsenal-even-Tottenham-or-Everton-article562971.html
157 Posted 14/02/2013 at 03:40:54
160 Posted 14/02/2013 at 03:44:03
Look at his interview after last nights game: the sky muppet asked "do United have the advantage with that away goal?' He cocks an eyebrow, sneers and shakes his head, saying "Nah, we'll score more than one goal there". Contrast Moyes.
No team JM manages is Ever beaten before the game starts. Many of us believe that a negative psychology is what holds us back every time a big game comes along, so who better to change that?
But why would he do it, when Chelsea and Man City or even Arsenal might be available?
He doesn't need the money, and his reputation is secure - if he did fail due to not having the resources to compete for leagues and CL his excuses would be ready-made and nobody could possibly criticise him, and he'd still have his pick of the best clubs two years later (Man Utd, nailed-on) There's no downside.
Yet If he did succeed against athe odds, he'd be rightly recognised as an all-time legend of the game. That's the up-side.
The charisma and romantic aura the man generates is incredible: if he did come, the profile it would give us just might attract a buyer and we'd have a shot at seeing the back of Bullshit BIll, or of levering open the wallets of our billionaire board. You think Moyes will ever do that?
What do we want fellow Blues? 10 more years' death-by-disappointment, or radical change and hope and inspiration?
Call me a deluded dreamer if you like, but check the fucking motto before you do.
NSNO, We are Everton.
165 Posted 14/02/2013 at 06:14:20
168 Posted 14/02/2013 at 07:08:54
Moyes or no Moyes - Bill and Bob would still be here. ...And 3, 2, 1... you're awake!
170 Posted 14/02/2013 at 07:05:27
So lets roll the tape.... Jose arrives, driven by The Stig, with Lampard AND Rooney, who, having both decided, that at this stage in their life they need a new direction and that money isn't everything and the will play for the average Club wage AND donate half to local charities.
Terry Leahy sees all this and decides to mount a Coup, which is successful. His first move is to make BK a life president and only member of the boys pen and sticks him in the corner of the Gwladys St and Bullens rd in his own one man boys pen. Then totally remakes the whole commercial arm of the Club.
Fast forward to extra time in the CL final Vs Barca, where, after School of Sciencing their tika taka arses off it is some how still 0-0 ( somethings never change )
Rooney does a Gosling and scores the winner deep into Extra Time, Rooney then gives his Medal to Tony Hibbert who had played in every round, but missed the final in a shocking freak Trout Farm related injury.
The Good times continue to roll, we buy and knock down the Echo Arena and build a proper ground with all the bells and whistles.
The rs go bankrupt and end up in the Zingari, but get threw out for being complete arseholes. ( rs, you always get what it says on the tin )
have I missed any thing out.
I had a dream.
Fast forward two years.
172 Posted 14/02/2013 at 08:00:17
173 Posted 14/02/2013 at 08:23:44
Some would point to Taggart having been in a league that is more competitive than Portugal, Spain, or during Creamcake's tenure, Italy.
Creamcake has proven he is an astute manager, but has generally been at clubs where they have money to burn. Even Porto weren't paupers - winning the league in Portugal pretty much every year, and the occasional European pot is gonna keep money coming in.
Even if he's a closet Everton fan with a "Nil Satis" tattoo on his arse, could you really see him coming to Everton? No money, no big egos to manage in the dressing room, no money to bring in any...
178 Posted 14/02/2013 at 09:07:20
184 Posted 14/02/2013 at 09:06:03
"..Terry Leahy sees all this and decides to mount a Coup, which is successful.."
If that did happen, I could see us buying Carroll from West Ham to link him with Jelavic.
And I can see the headline: "Everton attack contains 50% horsemeat"
Ithangyew!
186 Posted 14/02/2013 at 09:24:26
If/when Moyes leaves I think we'll either get Martinez or Phil Neville.
194 Posted 14/02/2013 at 10:04:13
More likely,Davey will be pushing for his old mate,Malky Mackay-and you know Bill always does what his manager tells him!
204 Posted 14/02/2013 at 10:47:07
215 Posted 14/02/2013 at 11:44:19
Do we really want a self-confessed and overt fascist as Everton manager?
Football is important to me and Everton even more important but I have personal lines to draw and somebody with a 'fascisti' membership card and proud of it would be the place to draw them. There are some things even more important than football.
216 Posted 14/02/2013 at 11:55:30
223 Posted 14/02/2013 at 12:24:59
234 Posted 14/02/2013 at 13:13:49
277 Posted 14/02/2013 at 16:26:59
And Jose? I would luv it! Great character. When I'm in bed with the morning BBC weather milf, I'll be thinking about Jose! Can't see it somehow but he'd be Everton's manager before Citeh's. Being at Middle Eastlands would make it difficult for him to cross over to Man Utd.
But, let's be honest, Chelsea looks most likely. I think hiring FSW was sending a message to Jose and I'm sure he'll adore watching Benitez make a bid for a job Jose already knows he has.
285 Posted 14/02/2013 at 17:09:35
A fascist is a fascist I'm afraid and you can scrub 'em up as much as you like but they never come clean. Anyone who can describe the loathsome Ultras as 'his people' is despicable. Fascism is a lot more than a political affiliation it is a way of life....a way of life that does not see people as equals and some people as specifically inferior.
There are certain political movements or parties that I personally despise but it would not bother me one jot if I found out Moyes was a member of one of them as long as it was democratic and solely political. Fascism is way beyond politics, is based on prejudice and bigotry and is undemocratic. That is why I care about the fascist's outlook on life and upon his fellow human beings. The prospect of him becoming the manager of Everton would not alter that one iota even if he was the best manager in the world. Being manager of Everton, or being the Fuhrer of the Third Reich, does not excuse fascism.
By the way, Italy is not in the southern hemisphere. Geopolitically it is a part of Europe and on our bloody doorstep.
293 Posted 14/02/2013 at 17:39:23
307 Posted 14/02/2013 at 19:27:56
I hate how football has become. Money. Wages and referees. Its not a level playing field anymore. The 80's was when I first watched everton. Those were the days. Not because we won most things. It was football im its purest
its sad. So sad. To see this beautiful game being ruined because of money. I just cant see the end of the tunnel for Everton. It seems we are a million miles away from CL semis and finals. Taking the premier league on the last day. Why is it like this? Why has it become so predictable?
I love Everton. Im falling out of love with the way football is and will be.
327 Posted 14/02/2013 at 20:14:51
To give you just one example: Botha was a liberal-conservative democrat and a shameless racist who enjoyed the backing of the British and the Americans, whereas Di Canio is an avowed anti-racist. I find it somewhat paradoxical that you are ostracising an anti-racist, because you do not like his political views, yet you have the temerity to parade yourself as a democrat.
As long as Di Canio is not a racist, I am willing to disregard his political views, and I would welcome him as Everton's manager. This is football ffs and not politics.
328 Posted 14/02/2013 at 20:45:50
If you're competing against CL teams then that's essentially 4 or 5 Premier League teams trying to be out done by 15 16 Championship sides. That will rarely if ever happen. In fact, Spain have their two top teams, Scotland had two... it's no different with our 4. Spurs have obviously something going for them in the finances, we're just hanging on. What would a winning manager for you bring to the club, success wise?
330 Posted 14/02/2013 at 20:53:31
331 Posted 14/02/2013 at 20:46:35
Nick it's a beautiful dream and I would love to see him here just for a couple of years but I don't think there's any chance.
To those other people who don't think he can do any better than Moyes - what planet are you on! He is the best manager of his generation, are you really saying that Moyes is his equal? I have no doubt that if he was here he could get us into the top 4.,
335 Posted 14/02/2013 at 21:10:51
433 Posted 15/02/2013 at 11:37:54
I'm not saying you cant win things without money. It dam well helps the money teams though. Man Utd and Fergie get all the praise. Yet all they do is buy the best players. Rooney. RvP. Young. Valencia. Jones. These are players that are doing well for their clubs. Then in comes Man Utd. I'm not saying that we don't do the same. Moyes does his business the way it should be. He buys rough diamonds and actually uses his managerial skills to make them better.
Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea just buy the finished product or the up-and-coming and therefore buy success.
I sit and think why must Fellaini and Baines have to move on? If we don't have success. It is the main and only reason teams like us can't change our fortunes. We must rebuild. Restart and move backwards everytime we get close.
622 Posted 15/02/2013 at 20:55:16
730 Posted 16/02/2013 at 09:55:36
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959 Posted 13/02/2013 at 14:39:34