Season 2012-13
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An 11-year marriage of convenience?
I've always been a big fan of David Moyes. I admired his loyalty to the club over the last 11 years, and the way he represented Everton Football Club. I wanted him to stay and try to achieve the success that his work ethic and desire warranted.
However, I'm very disappointed with the way things have turned out, and it got me thinking. Have the last 11 years all been a sham? Has he always been nailed on for the Man United job? Ferguson was 60 when David Moyes started at Everton, and it is quite conceivable that they could have come calling after 2 years, after 5 years, 8 years. If they had come in sooner, I believe he would have left us, just as he has left us now, like a married man who leaves his family for another woman.
The fact that Ferguson (I can't bring myself to call him 'Ferg'!) hung on for 11 years, meant that Moyes was content to hang around at Everton on a massive salary. Is that why he never actively pursued a move to any other club? Was it common knowledge at other big clubs who chose not to bother offering him a job, knowing that he was hanging on for United? Many people are saying that he had to leave because Everton couldn't compete financially with the top 4. I think he would have (not would 'of') gone to them regardless, because it turns out that even after 11 years he's not an Evertonian.
No true Evertonian would walk out on the club. He's just like all the others who fawn over United, seduced by their success and the media circus that surrounds them. Ok, he's virtually certain to pick up a couple of trophies over the next few years, but that will be down to Ferguson's legacy. If it does happen, the achievement will be hollow compared to anything he might have achieved if he had stayed at Goodison. Everton's new manager will have a tougher job replacing an aging squad.
As an afterthought it occurred to me that Tim Cahill a few years down the line would be worth considering if he decided to move into management. He shares a lot of Moyes good points – determination, will to win, competitiveness and he was a fine ambassador for the club off the field.
Finally, I thank Moyes for everything he has done for Everton down the years, but I don't wish him success at Man Utd – they've had far too much success already, thank you very much!
Mike Goodwin, Posted 09/05/2013 at 20:30:51
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839 Posted 09/05/2013 at 23:05:41
Rooney is a different story btw.
842 Posted 09/05/2013 at 23:00:32
Were you achingly disappointed that Moyes didn't turn out to be a true Preston North End supporter when he walked in 2002?
He's landed the biggest job in world football; Open secret or not, the man dedicated himself to our club for eleven long years. To question his commitment during that time is churlish and totally without foundation.
844 Posted 09/05/2013 at 23:06:04
846 Posted 09/05/2013 at 22:51:56
No-one can blame either of them for taking the Man Utd money but why the hostility to one and not the other? I am glad Moyes has gone. I want him to fall flat on his face at Old Trafford so as to shut up all these fans who think he is a God.
Moyes needs a top-2 finish in the Premier League and last 8 in CL or he will've failed. In fact, Moyes should win the League next season considering whats gone on this season and the team he inherits.
I believe Moyes has been as successful as the media claim because he has worked without the pressure of having to achieve or please. When crunch time comes in big games — and that's BIG games at OT — we all know Moyes will crumble.
It's way too big for the Moyes Mentality at Manchester United. Moyes is like an average heavyweight boxer going to Las Vegas to fight Mike Tyson in his prime. Out of his depth.
Moyes is a Man Utd employee now and shouldn't be anywhere near our team on Sunday. It's not right. We have seen all he has to offer and it's not much.
Take yourself off up the East Lancs Road, Davey Boy, and try and persuade Rooney to stay... Ha Ha Ha — No chance of that happening!!
850 Posted 09/05/2013 at 23:10:52
853 Posted 09/05/2013 at 23:13:40
920 Posted 10/05/2013 at 00:10:21
942 Posted 10/05/2013 at 00:42:14
I think it's pretty remarkable how they waltzed the league and think Fergie got every ounce out of them in order to do it so he could go out at he top.
Day 1 - Moyes will set them up 4-5-1 on the training ground, Phil Jones instructed to lump it up to new signing Marouanne Fellaini to knock down for RVP. Whilst 'Plan A' is being drilled Moyes goes on the hunt for Wayne who was here a minute ago but appears to have gone AWOL, whilst all around he perimeter fence, the media watch on, coldly....
I think he's in for a time of it myself.
945 Posted 10/05/2013 at 00:38:34
I'm not sorry to see him go. I'm surprised he got the Man Utd job but then again I'm not someone on here who says he would never get a better position. I feel pretty hopeful at this moment in time though, inevitably, nervy also. I think that it will be Martinez although I would prefer Laudrup. Apparently Laudrup has a £10 mill comp buy-out clause. Now, if we all throw in say 25 sponds each...
960 Posted 10/05/2013 at 00:47:37
He was never an Evertonian, he was a multi-millionaire football manager looking to make a name for himself. Do you think he will still be appearing on MotD a couple of hours after a match at Old Trafford? Of course he won't, that club would look down on such a thing.
Here is my prediction: Davey Moyes has just taken the dream job, but the pressure will be unbearable, and with Mourinho back at Chelsea, he won't be winning anything next season and a year later he will be out of a job and probably on his way to Germany (which he has been eyeing up).
The question then is, will he be welcomed back in the same way Royle, Reidy, Kendall and former great employees of the club are? I don't think so. He shouldn't be anyway.
965 Posted 10/05/2013 at 01:05:19
I have no problem with the way this has been managed by Moyes. He had a contract, he is seeing it through, and now he is working his notice. How can you complain about that?
You CAN complain about the fact that he has not signed a new contract and BK doesn't seem to have a clue what to do next. I expect BK is calling Walter Smith for the next Moyes fresh from Glasgow?
But really, taking cheap shots at a man who has, as I believe, done the best he can with Everton, whether you like it or not, is churlish to say the least.
Personally, I think he will be success at MU and then we will realise that this is indeed a much more structural i.e. financial issue within the club.
006 Posted 10/05/2013 at 03:14:37
035 Posted 10/05/2013 at 06:28:57
118 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:04:07
"Bulgarian wine tasting"...have you been saving that one up? (or in case Mike Goodwin gets his pedantic -albeit correct - English knickers in a twist...'have you been saving up that one?')...brilliant.
127 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:25:50
150 Posted 10/05/2013 at 09:44:09
My gut feel is that he has been aware of this for a year. MU are a huge company and they don't decide key roles at the drop of a hat. These guys have succession plans, they will have been discussing Ferguson's retirement for a year now. That is why there has no interview process? So it says they have been talking for a while now. Hence the refusal to sign a new contract this season. The apologists will hang onto the assumption that he was holding the board to ransom for transfer funds, well sorry guys wake up and smell the coffee.
Lets move on there is no grief here, he was a good employee but that is all. lets go out and find another one. Greater servants than Moyes have left this club with more under there belts.
The king is dead long live the king.
185 Posted 10/05/2013 at 10:37:32
He need some one who selects the players who are in form; doesn't play players out of position; doesn't send young players out into the wilderness if they disagree with him; who doesn't makes subs to change things round 3 minutes before the end of a game; who doesn't hang onto a one nil lead after 20 minutes and ends up losing the game; who doesn't persist in selecting players who are past their best; who doesn't look like a rabbit in headlights when playing against Liverpool or in another big game; and who doesn't refuse to take responsibility (the wigan game - 'just one of those days!) or take advice!
Apart from that he did a great job (cue media love in).
591 Posted 10/05/2013 at 16:06:18
Before going on, the first thing I would say is that he came across as an exceptionally honest and humble guy, both when speaking one-to-one and when addressing the wider audience. Very different to how he appears when speaking to the media, who I think piss him off.
He did say a few things at the time though which I thought were interesting given the purpose of the event. He commented on the fact that whilst most of the questions he was being asked were from people who clearly really liked him, he knew there was a significant group of fans with whom he was far less popular. When he made this comment there was a little more "steel" in his voice, like his post-match interviews on Sky. I think his summary of that point was something like "I realise that nothing lasts forever. At some point you'll get fed up of me or I'll get fed up of you and maybe then it'll be time for a fresh challenge." Nobody picked him up on any of this but bearing in mind the "honest" man he appeared to be, it seemed that he was intentionally hinting that he was seriously considering his future at the club. He didn't even try to caveat his comments by suggesting that this would be a long time in the future.
They also played a video of SAF which was, needless to say, very complimentary. Moyes was asked about his relationship with Ferguson and responded by saying that whilst they spoke regularly and played golf together occasionally, as they were from different generations they therefore weren't what you would call best friends.
With hindsight it's highly possible that even 12 months ago plans were being put in place, at the least between Moyes and Ferguson, for him to make the move to Utd at some point in the coming years.
914 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:15:08
Biggest jobs in the world at Real Madrid and Barcelona, indeed Bayern Munich to a lesser extent, to me those 3 clubs are much bigger and far more successful than United.
FC Barcelona have more fans than other team on the planet. Won more leagues and cups, won more european cups...while real have won even more..united are like school boys compared to these clubs.
921 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:29:14
948 Posted 10/05/2013 at 21:51:47
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832 Posted 09/05/2013 at 22:55:17
I haven't had such a bad taste in my mouth since I went to a Bulgarian wine tasting event with Mary Jane Rottencrotch.