Or maybe he was seeking advice from SAF on how to beat Chelsea?

Maybe a deal for Rooney to join??

Either way I hope he was there for Everton's benefit because I would be majorly pissed off if he was being paid thousands of pounds a week to be Everton manager and it turned out he was there on Man Utd business.

If he was there on Man Utd busines then he needs his arse kicked. Either he manages Everton like he's being paid to do or he resigns and meets SAF on his own time.

Steven Telford yesterday was saying how much he loves the club, and all that crap, but this shows he doesn't give a damn about the club. I've never liked him, I've never trusted him, and this just reaffirms this. If he is sneaking off for meetings, tell you what Davey, jack it in now and resign, because it seems you are not our manager any more.

You watch, he will sign Jags, Baines and Fellaini, and he won't give a flying frig if his team beats us with a dubious 95th minute penalty. He doesn't care about the club, and it seems that, despite being slaughtered for having a lack of class and dignity, the hero of the hour last week has been the same.

It seems I've been proved right: no need for the goodbye, we should sack him now, as it seems he is no longer our manager anymore.

Liar... disloyal... I think the fawning he got was ridiculous, and now he has treated us like this,.. well, he can stuff it and start his new precious job now.

In my mind he has already gone.

So enjoy... and one day you'll actually wake up.

He's leaving. Many people in high level executive positions take a meeting or two when they're transitioning in/out of a job. But, by all means, let's have another "he was lying all along, it's disrespectful!!!!" thread.

If he wants to start Man Utd business then he has to quit or at least refuse his wages from Everton.

I have a feeling Moyes would rather not face Chelsea on Sunday. Its one of those grounds Moyes has never had a result at and chances are it will be another lose on Sunday.

I doubt Moyes will want to end his Everton career with a defeat to Rafa Benitez's Chelsea. Maybe he should have just said goodbye against West Ham and let Neville, Stubbs or Ferguson have a chance against Chelsea.

Gary Poole, you are so right: the MOB have got their wish and still want a pound a flesh. I support Everton, I supported David Moyes while he was our manager; to all extent and purposes he is no longer this. I have moved on. Can his detractors start to kindly boot the boot into someone new?

I bet you clapped Blue Bill on the jumbo screen last season...

Jesus wept!!!

Come to think of it, a few weeks ago (maybe months) Bobby Charlton was interviewed and, without prompting, started talking about how SAF has no plans to retire and that the club never even thinks about his replacement.

How can man whoever he is be waving Man Utd flags on minute and taking charge of Everton games the next? It's a joke and it's just more of Weeping Willy trying to cling on to Darling Dave a little longer. I want Moyes gone now because its all getting a bit hard to take. Moyes got a good send off from the faithful; now he should do one to where he belongs.

Only at Everton would this crap happen — and YES, it is a Fucking Fiasco, Dan.

This without going into the ins and outs of his team tactics.

"Man meets new prospective employers on day off" . It's hardly the most earth shattering headline in my book and happens all the time in so many walks of life.

I mean did anyone really think that he wouldn't have any discussions with Man Utd before 1st July?

Honestly, I cannot understand all the uproar about this – what would you have expected him to be doing instead on the day after the game?

For me there is nothing in this that detracts from anything that happened over the weekend in the form of tributes etc.

The man lied and Kenwright knew he was going. Fact !

Why as fans are we always lied to and always get the shitty end of the stick? I'm sick of it and my self imposed exile after being a season ticket holder for 25 years is still exists and will do so as long as that charlatan remains the chairman.

I have no faith in the smarmy bastard finding us a decent replacement and have no faith in Moyes not raping us of at least 2 of our players.

Weir, Stubbs et al. Come on down.

Please go immediately.

It appears not only can you can remain on the payroll while working for ManU but you can parade around Goodison waving to the masses a few hours earlier tears and gushing sentiment accompanying the whole farrago.

Not since "Princess Di" - truly fascinating.

Is that the first time some Man U supporter has asked for a photo with Moyes?

I am surprised that Distin, Fellaini and Mirallas were not joining Man Utd - after all they turned up at their bash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The frickin media can't get enough of it - and will splash anything up to sell their shite.

And some fans seem to take it so seriously.............get a life!

Still think the Man Utd manager should be in charge of Everton?

What a joke!

He made it all about Everton.

He banned any questions about Man Utd.

Those were the right things to do. And the right thing to continue to do at least until next Sunday.

It's not really comparable with normal business life because of the extremely high profile and visibility. That is why, as I said, this should have been done in private — like all his contractual negotiations for the last ___ months.

Completely no idea what Everton football club is about absolutely no idea that emotion, pride and passion are the things that make supporters turn up providing the millions for Moyes and Co.

Dull.

Dull, did you say?

What I am more interested in is David Moyes' input into the identity of the new manager. If he has as much knowledge of managers around Europe as he does of players he might be able to unearth the unexpected. The manager at FSV Mainz sounds interesting...and Moyes' recent comments about Duncan Ferguson have been very revealing...

Moyes has worked tirelessly for us for the last eleven years. Remember that.

Thank god for Ken Buckley , that's all I will want to read in the future, if it carries on like this.

Let's say he did meet Ferguson, what would you have had him doing instead?

Also, if we are to appoint a new manager, are we allowed to interview potential candidates or will that be a disgrace to their current employers too?

For me, it comes down to standards — the standards I expect of an employee of Everton Football Club. Interesting that those who think this means nothing are also the ones who applied the lowest standards in terms of Moyes and his football while he was here.

Just sayin!

Chris, what I despise is seeing my club miss opportunities like "Wigan", humiliations like last years RS debacles and setting a precedent in the "treated like shit" stakes as per this nonsense.

What lily livered piece of shite you have just spouted if Moyes is working for us he's working for us not Man United you idiot.

It really is not a difficult concept - Moyes works for EFC till he's gone.

Bloody idiots.

Have a look at the abovee. THIS is not acceptable for an Everton manager for me. Even if he is outgoing.

Disgrace and undefendable.

I remain unconvinced at some of the "fake" rage being offered up around these alleged incidents. Much of it comes from people who openly wanted Moyes to go - well that is what he is doing (in a structured was/agreed by the Club) and yet all that does is produce more outpourings of rage.

I'm not quite sure what should have happened - should the club have terminated his employment when he signalled his intent to move. Should he have been interned to his home, under house arrest until 1/7?

It's all quite ludicrous, totally out of perspective and completely adrift from reality.

I would again ask where this particular story sprang from. SSN doesn't appear to be carrying it any longer (although I may be wrong on that) so, you never know, it might be another that is consigned to the rumour mill.

As they walked into Starbucks guess who is sat there reading the paper but giggsy. Would you believe it?
So the three of them sat down and chatted about the weather.

Nothing untoward at all, just three old pals passing the time of day.

Recent events tell me that the majority would like to believe this version

Where is the evidence for the rest of the story guys?

Just read this, I'm losing my rag here and I'll regret it later.

The Evertonians defending him on here should bear in mind that he turned his back on the club (which is a kick in the teeth) and probably did so months ago as he was telling us he was planning for the future.

Being photographed with their flag while still EFC manager is a by product of the mishandling of this sordid affair. It seems to me he was ambushed but it wouldn't have happened if he'd played this situation with a straight bat.

But my (and others') main point was,it ain't unusual.

Also off to bed. Good night.

He said 'we're happy to have you' to which Moyes replied 'I'm thrilled'.

My flatmate is "50% sure" that he walked in with David Gill.

In the photo, the blue Everton tie was removed... sniff.

But if you take over the biggest club in the world, I don't think you just turn up on day one with nothing but your lunch box.

As I said at the time, and reiterate now, he is a phoney.

1.Moyes had his head turned more than a week ago?

2. And affected our form and reduced our points tally?

3. Therefore costing us CL spondoolas?

4. Giving us a reason to sue on grounds of sabotage (or whatever)?

I'd like to see a picture of Moyes with the plastic flag if anyone's got a link.

I also love that the newspapers get slated for talking absolute bollocks until someone desperately needs something to back up the bollocks they're talking.

Just google the words 'David Moyes Man Utd flag' scroll down and follow the link. I posted the link earlier but it isn't working.

Ian, was he crying?

Nick, Pienaar might convert him. You never know.

2 lads and 2 women ask Moyes for a photo and he accepts. They then pull a Man Utd flag out in front of him.
What a disgrace that man is.

Moving on.

When people (like me) were saying Moyes should have had no part in our last two games, after he'd agreed to be Utd's manager, certain individuals were very quick to point out that he was still Everton manager until July 1st.

The media worldwide were referring to Moyes as 'The New Utd manager' but they weren't having it.

Instead they argued desperate semantics bullshit, all round the houses, about 'technically and officially' blah blah.

Well if Moyes IS still Everton manager, he should have had absolutely fuck-all to do with Utd meetings until that date.

You can't have it both ways and if you argue BOTH situtions things are fine/right/ok, you simply look a twat.

As for trying to debate anything with Gary Poole, you're pissing in the wind.

It's all flim-flam, smoke and mirrors, deflection and sleight-of-hand.

Someone says it is wrong for Moyes to be dealing with Utd when he is contracted to Everton?

His comeback..

"Should he have been interned to his home, under house arrest until 1/7?"

An old Navaho trick - setting up a gross exaggeration, that nobody has suggested, to make people seem unreasonable for suggesting such a thing.

Basically he argues everything but the point.

It's all "leave it alone" and "get over it" and "obsess about something else".

All fluff, avoidance, lack of content, load of bollocks.

Is he or Round going to get the job? highly unlikely, has the new boss been chosen yet? is he avaliable for Sunday? if not, Kidd ( and Round ) gets the job for Sunday.

For 3 of the ( think of a number ) front runners only Neville ( or another internal appointment ) is actually free for Sunday. So unless Bill appoints from within Round gets the nod

I don't think it will be all duty and loyalty that compells Moyes to turn up at Chelsea but a bit of subconsious guilt and shame.

Is he man enough to say to himself I'm a deadman walking here, the (unwanted ) spectre at the feast and say to Round, there you go, you're incharge and sit up in the stands with Bill and watch for once as a fan while he runs down the clock.

Bullshit Bill sees all this as one big production, not the cut-throat world of top level sport.

Financial and top 4 rivals apart, If he'd put in 11 years of sterling work... that being the club's opinion... and the situation was due to a unique set of circumstances - then yes.

Yes, this really is Everton 2013. It's like a Kings Dock scenario all over again only this time Weepy Bill has been hoodwinked as well... ha ha ha.

The Moyes Boys are on the Humble Pie for a month or two... Don't say you weren't warned in the past about collusion and underhand dealing with these clowns. You actually do get what you wish for when you support Moyes and Weepy Bill.. .I cant figure out who is the most slippery of the two now.

In the name of dignity and consideration for us, could they not have waited two more weeks?There are few clubs left who still proudly do the right thing in that regard with Everton being a torchbearer for them.

Given that our season was essentially over, the circumstances are massively different and can only go on what we have.

We are desperate for a strong leader; looking to an ex-employee and soon to be rival, with a limited record, should not have anything to do with our future plans.

When he took up the post he should have been relieved of his duties immediately but Kenwright wanted to give him the big send off! I gave my ticket away on Sunday mostly because I thought I would be well pissed off listening to all the plaudits being heaped on a manger paid £4M a year not to a win a trophy and, yes, of course make us best of the rest.

All this shite about how much we mean to him, I don't blame you, Moyes, but let's cut the crap: it's about money and cold ambition. No problem with that but that orgy of self-congratulation was embarrassing on Sunday. At least at the other end of the M62 they had a legacy of 38 trophies to celebrate, we had sweet FA to celebrate... oh, I forgot — finishing above Liverpool.

True, and 'what we have' is 'technically and officially' (see on TW, pre Sunday's match 'justifications' for why it was fine for Moyes to be in charge until Jul 1st) EVERTON'S manager in secret meetings with Manchester Utd staff.

I repeat, you can't have it both ways.

Either he's their manager or ours and if he's ours and having meetings with them, it IS a disgrace.

Kenwright is also a twat for going along with it.

I'm a soft twat for supporting Everton.

We are all twats for caring.

Nail.

On.

The.

Head.

Of course there are those one there who just love to jump on anything they could find. As for saying re raped the club, my God that’s desperate. The price he got for Lescott alone pretty much paid his entire contract.

He ran a small squad and efficient squad, had a net spend of less than £1m. Every time he sold a big player, he did not even get the same money to spend.

Ferguson’s own brother did not know he was retired till close to the announcement. He had pre-season planned if refused to sign Fer in the January window because of a fitness concern, and bought a young squad player. If he did not give a fuck about the club and knew he was leaving, he would have splashed the cash not caring about how it affected the transfer money available in the summer.

Stop trying to sully his good name, the facts simply don’t support the accusations.

Although Moyes is contracted until the end of June at Everton before beginning officially at United on 1 July there is a recognition that once the season's final matches are played, Moyes needs to hit the ground running at United, so from next Monday he will start the process of driving the club forward, with Rooney, player acquisition and sales, and the make-up of his backroom staff priorities.

The biggest club in the world tapped up our manager and got him for fuck all and now WE are looking at paying millions in compo for a new manager. Kenwright go and get your head tested seriously.

The facts?

When people posted last week that he was now Utd's manager and should go, they were informed by his devotees that in 'fact' he WASN'T Utd's manager, he was ours until the 1st of July ('technically and officially') and therefore was absolutely entitled to his last home match love-fest etc.

Now it seems, even though he's still Everton manager, it's fine for him to be conducting Manchester Utd business.

As I said earlier, you only make yourself look dumb with this type of 'argument'.

Truth is Moyes could be photographed bollocko, with his nob stuck up a melon and a peacock's feather hanging out of his arse and you'd be on here saying "Look it's his private life, what's this got to do with performance on the..." blah blah.

You say you 'don't see the issue'?

I don't believe you.

I think you (and others like you) absolutely DO see it.

However ADMITTING you do would mean admitting the mighty leader L. Ron Moyes isn't perfect and we KNOW that's not going to happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFebGZ7FJQQ

Dont forget Kenshite allowed Wyness to run his own business on Everton's clock in the past.

Still find some contributors' naivety that a £2.3Bn business would make an overnight decision to chose a new manager genuinely believing the deal wasn't done months ago.

Seriously if you were the club's bank manager would you be impressed by his seemingly lack of business acumen. It's all very fine and well playing the benevolent uncle when it's your own cash but when it is borrowed money it seems a little bit silly to say the least.

Maybe it was after work on his own time?

Or maybe he was having a sickie?

I suppose nowadays "finishing your contract" before taking on a new job is also considered "taking the piss" and "keeping everyone else hanging". What happened to the good old days when people were actually expected to FINISH their contract instead of being poached?

The king is dead. Long live the king! (whoever that might be?) Let's hope it is somebody who let's the younger players have a chance.

Patrick #693 I bet the deal had been done in principle long ago subject to MU winning the league. So I doubt there would have been any thought about rushing it through last week. This is why Davy has been hanging on without signing a new contract. (my view)

Your view,and the view of anyone with common sense.
Anyone who believes that Ferguson decided to go and they approached Moyes the next day should beware of emails from Nigerian salesmen offering untold amounts of free money.

Can someone explain why July 1st ?

Those of you complaining that there is too much about Moyes rather than Everton, stop talking about Moyes.

Those of you who think that his move to United has been known about for months need to wake up, Moyes has known he was going to replace Ferguson for years.

I have a good idea for those of you with anger issues, wait until things happen and you know all of the facts before getting apoplectic about them. If he signs our stars then he is the lowest form of pond scum, but don't slag him off because it's a vague possibility. As for the meeting with Fergie find out why he was there and then, if appropriate, slag him off. If he is there on Everton business then you are being a bit harsh. Not that I think he is by the way.

Finally, please stop deliberately trying to turn every thread into a massive argument about Moyes. There are to many personal insults and outrageous statements being made that can only be intended to get a rise out of others. Whatever you think about David Moyes he has signed for another club in what are less than ideal circumstances. Some of the problems are his fault, some are Kenwright's, some are United's and some are the media's. Until he actually empties his desk there is nothing any of us can do about any of it and slagging of fellow blues because they feel differently to you belittles you and the club you support.

But it's another example of a thread being hijacked to discuss things previously discussed on other more relevant threads - in this case the dynamics involved in MU actually signing Moyes.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen, not just on ToffeeWeb, but anywhere else, ever. Get a fucking grip.

It was in FACT a satanical tryst held by Ferguson, Moyes and Giggs in the grounds of the hotel. Moyes was seen dancing naked around around a tree with Sir Alex chanting "I am the anti - Moyesiah" backwards.

Moyes allegedly had an inverted Toffee tower tattooed on his chest and Giggs placed a horned crown on Moyes's RED hair.

Then Kenwright appeared dressed as a goat in a Liverpool shirt and annointed Dalglish as "the king of Goodison".

According to my step uncle in Papua New Guinea Moyes is also behind the Syrian conflict, global warming and the bunion on Her Majesty's left foot.

FACT!

The vicious in-fighting between Evertonians has been caused by what I will call (in an attempt to be temporarily objective) the ensuing "muddle". Is that not incontrovertible? We would not be arguing about this if he had gone. That's "gone" as in "gone", not "gone" as in "still around". We would be writing our reviews of the DM years as a thing of the past and considering the future, not angrily wrestling with present issues. This should not be happening. It's simple common sense.

Yeah, I know that if DM had gone straight away, we'd still be arguing with each other on TW. It's what we do - but generally it's fruitful argument, healthy debate, etc, etc. What's going down now is just rancid and acrimonious. We're stuck in a kind of Zombie Zone in terms of a new manager, dead and alive in equal measures... and it ain't good.

I think if this is happening on TW then it may be happening among the Everton fan base at large. I say that the club's inability to handle the situation that has arisen in the last week, to make a clear unambiguous decision to say "Thanks. Tara" to DM when he accepted the OT job is setting Evertonians against each other.

And Brent 748 and 775 - I think overlooking the principle behind Pengate and Buniongate is shallow and misses some important ethical issues relating to the departure

David Moyes passes first test as Manchester United manager with honours

The Manchester United manager shares his footballing philosophy with an engrossed audience at the Cambridge Union.

It's worth a read though, some interesting things in it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10057366/David-Moyes-passes-first-test-as-Manchester-United-manager-with-honours.html

The rection of 40,000 odd fans on sunday suggests to me that it is not happening among the Eveton fan base at large.

Actually, other than on TW I have never seen anothing other than admiration for Moyes from our fans and from the fans of other teams.

One of the reasons Man Utd are despised by a lot of fans is, during the 70s and 80s, when they were absolute unadulterated shite, a team of play boys rather than players, none of the papers ever had a go at them. Now with the advent of social media and instant reporting, it's napalm coverage of certain clubs, and fuck all about the rest. I can't imagine that no "investigative" journo would'nt have taken a look into Everton's current fortunes, ownership, blockages to sale etc. if we were still in that era.

If he is gone from Sunday are we still paying his contract up until it expires?

As for the reaction of 40000 fans on Sunday it would be interesting to know the stats of how many different fans attend games during a season.
Outside of the season ticket holders there must be a large number who attend anything between 1 and 15 games each.

I would guess that there could easily be 30000 Evertoninans who have attended games this season who were not there on Sunday.
Plus many more who have not attended any games this season.

Maybe those who felt Moyes should not be in charge for the last 2 games are somehwere in those numbers?

Then again who cares, we should only be bothered about who is replacing him.

Or maybe we just realise Moyes has gone and are realistic enough to accept it without a massive sulking fit ......

..oh and we are taking the piss to wind the miserable fuckers on this site.

It passes time between managers and is just as valid contribution to TW as the miserable diatribes that keeps you happy. .

That would be silly and seem like abuse.

Should be "wind-up"

It's no wonder Kenwright constantly survives with some of these poodles that follow our club.

And if there was nothing wrong with the meeting, why did Ferguson, Giggs and Moyes try to keep it under wraps?

BK chose to keep him on. He got the big farewell, but common sense says he'll be taking an interest in the new job.

Personally I wanted him gone, although with hindsight I thought we came off well on Sunday.

He's got one more game to manage. I'm sure not every minute of every week is spent training and preparing for the opposition. A lot would be on planning for the future. There's no future now so, assuming he's still doing all the pre-match stuff he would normally do, I don't give a shit what else he does.

Have you told the club how you feel? Have you dropped Moyes a line? Have you done anything that is actually worthwhile?

Or is hiding behind your keyboard calling people that oppose you wimps as far as you go.

More deflection and factless none-argument.

Here's a question, If you're so 'realistic' (and no doubt grounded, positive, glass brimming over, grown up etc) why get involved?

Why not just ignore a thread/site that has so many 'unrealistic' posters?

The truth is, this thread pointed out that Moyes attended a meeting with Manchester Utd, which would have been fine if he'd left immediately to become their manager, but would most certainly not if he was still manager of Everton.

Well last week, to justify the big send-off, the groupies (like you) argued long and loud that Moyes WAS Everton manager and was therefore entitled.

Now as the 'Everton manager' is discovered meeting with Manchester Utd, it's 'stop sulking' and 'accept it' and be 'realistic' 'move on' etc waffle.

But please keep it up, because the more you post your none-specific fact-free rebuttals, the lamer your already lame 'argument' looks.

This is the most pathetic thread I have ever read on ToffeeWeb. Even those who normally have a sensible approach have reduced this discussion to pathetic, childish name calling. If you read that much into media hype then you must have some pretty tormented lives.

And for what it matters, apparently the discussion was what to do with Rooney. I for one think it's more than fair that Moyes be involved in that discussion. If he wants him, try and talk him round, if not get rid.

Interesting you think Moyes should get rid if Rooney isn't interested in staying at Utd. I know a certain person who doesn't want to stay at Everton but he's still here and being praised for it.

And how does anybody on here know that it was secret without Everton's knowledge. To be honest, what would be the point as the whole world was going to find out about it.

That adds something to this thread. Thanks. If this is so, then I can see the point of a "conversation" at this stage.

Ross #849 "Let's use this scenario. You are the boss of a company, one of your employees has a secret meeting behind your back with another organisation, using a working day to have this meeting. What would your reaction be?" Was it in working time? I got the impression not but might be wrong. Regardless, was it behind Bill's back? I didn't read that anywhere.

I don't like what's going on either, but their is nothing we can do and no amount of bitching will change that. Channel your passion into things that will benefit the club.

Now I'm reading that he's poached business with insider knowledge. What does that mean? What has he done? Where did you hear that? Interesting that this thread started with a post that there had been a meeting between Moyes, SFA and Giggs. And as the thread develops that becomes: behind Bill's back; poaching business; etc; etc. None of that in the original post and it sounds like guesswork (but I might be wrong).

Our club is made to look cheap and easy; Man Utd are showing us no respect, as well as Moyes. I read somewhere that Moyes said he's now making the step up, I used to be a supporter of his but he's gone down in my estimation: show this club some respect.

I hope we stuff Man Utd, but then again Kenwright might tell the lads to take it easy — you don't want to upset your best mate who has dropped you like a bad habit.

I think we as a club need to move on: no more Moyes mourning, he did a good job (although paid handsomely for it) no one is bigger than the club, and I'm afraid he needed to win a few things to be a legend here, and to piss-off to one of our local rivals won't help his cause.

I'm not saying that's what DM, SAF and RG are doing BUT as said, it leaves the two or three open to conjecture with myself and others speculating on the nature of the conversation. IF, as many are fearing any one of Fellaini, Baines or Jagielka move up the East Lancs, has that been part of the discussion? Equally why discuss Rooney now? Moyes isn't their manager until July 1, it's none of his business, yet.

Surely these conversations can wait until season's end, plus SAF isn't leaving the club, he will be actively telling DM what to do when he's in post. I think this point makes a difference.

Now you're saying "I'm not saying thats what DM, SAF and RG are doing". I don't think you actually did say it but it's mighty damn close! I agree, wise to be cautious and present it as only conjecture.

Don't the players come in at 10ish and then go home at 3ish?

What time did the meeting happen? Was it on business time? Once again, who gives a flying fuck?

It's quite comical reading some of the posts on here, Oh the outrage! He was seen having lunch with a friend and the contents of the conversation have been completely made up by the media and the clever dicks on here.

He is gone soon, why are you even arsed? (here's a pre-emptive "Fuck off you knob!" to any dick who wants to suggest I am a "happy clapper" because I don't give a fuck about what Moyes does in his wind down week at work)

All that you are doing is taking out your anger on your fellow supporters instead of the people that need to hear it. Because you didn't like what you thought I was doing, and because you didn't make sure that you were correct in your thoughts, your first response is to insult. Do you not realise how pathetically stupid that sounds.

No I can't - you had a pop at someone for not getting off their arse, while sitting on yours.

You also seem to think it's waste of time people moaning about David Moyes on a forum where David Moyes isn't, but (apparently) think it is a constructive use of time moaning about people moaning about David Moyes, on a forum where David Moyes isn't.

You talk about insults?

What about the insults to the intelligence?

Here's the line from Rick ...

"But I've got a job to do, too. Where I'm going, you can't follow. What I've got to do, you can't be any part of. Ilsa, I'm no good at being noble, but it doesn't take much to see that the problems of three little people don't amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world. Someday you'll understand that".

Something to erm, read into there...

When senior post holders move to competing organisations, a common option is for them to be placed on gardening leave. It can be a neutral act with no suggestion of impropriety but it avoids the situation that we face now.

Given how emotive the current scenario is, I would suggest that the best cause of action would have been for Moyes to have had his send off at home then step aside and let an other(s) take charge for the last game of the season.

Priceless. Is it constructive ? Probably not. But thankfully I would defend your right to moan until the cows come home and defend my right to disagree in any way I wish as long as it is not insulting or abusive. So if I think you are being OCD about the issue of this thread I will say so. And whilst you may be yearning for a sensible argument .........about this hugely imprtant issue...I think you may be a frustrated.

Yep.

This thread is more Robert De Niro in Taxi driver...........you talking to me.........you talkin to me. Not one of TWs best.