Season 2012-13
Opinion
Talking Points
Duncan Disorderly
After losing our illustrious manager, we are now linked, on an almost hourly basis, with every man and his dog, as a potential successor to Davidd Moyes. People make quite compelling arguments as to the whys and wherefores of different managers on ability, and experience... Well, I thought, I would have ago myself… and yes — Big Dunc is the man for me.
Now I have already tweeted this, (yes I do tweet) and some people agree, and some don’t. The main reason for disagreeing is based on experience, They respond with, "Not now... one for the future. We need a man with a proven track record."
Now that seems a fair observation but, as I have pointed out, when Daglish took over the shite as player manager, he never had an ounce of experience. Not even a coaching badge or licence; he just got given the job. He won the League Title in his first year... sorry to remind us all of that but I believe he won it because he was a winner. Man-management, leading from the front, the fans hero, and rightly so.
I believe it takes a man who has won the day, cups, titles, and a forward-thinking player. Not a defender type, negative, from the outset, concentrating on avoiding defeat rather than seizing the day. Wigan seized the day on Saturday, others have as well in the past.
I believe with Big Dunc we have a winner, a winner who is an Evertonian. Yes, he may need help, Royle, Harvey, any one you can think of… But he would be an imposing figure on the touchline... he would inspire the will to win. I have heard he is doing an excellent job as a coach at Everton now, and commands respect from everyone.
I haven't renewed my season ticket for a few years now, picking and choosing my games. If Big Dunc was the new man at the helm, I would instantly renew, such is the appeal, and I have spoken to a few others who have said the same. Oh and by the way, I don’t think he would leave us for anyone… Mancs included.
One last thing, before this gets ripped to shreds, no doubt, if I was Kenwright, I would move heaven and earth to bring back Rooney, give him £100k a week and all his own Merchandise, spend £25M to sign him out of the TV revenue. I know I am dreaming now, but Rooney up front with Super Kev and Big Dunc on the touchline... titles in the bag.
Robby Daniels, Posted 15/05/2013 at 12:55:15
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911 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:26:32
Someone like Periera or De Boer etc. British managers are few and far between, and foreign is the way to go.
912 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:24:48
Seriously though, I believe Big Dunc would certainly inspire the team and would indeed be an imposing figure on the touchline. I'd prefer him to be assistant manager first though, with someone that has proven tactical nous in charge.
Maybe a triumvirate of Martinez, Dunc and Phil Neville?
916 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:33:04
917 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:33:49
We allowed DM to get away with no tactical knowledge whatsoever for 11 years didn't we?
919 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:35:15
The Marx brothers would do a better job frankly.
920 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:37:06
It's a load of bollocks.
921 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:37:49
923 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:28:00
I think I was the first to post up what we need before all of you, so I'm taking the credit... and the commission on makin' it happen.
Would a life long Blue be happy playing for his home town club, managed by his hero, earning £100k a week and sticking it to Moyes from the right end of the East Lancs? You fucking bet he would!
924 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:39:19
He looked completely clueless during big matches, his substitutions, (when he finally made them) were bizarre and ridiculous, Naismith on, words failed me whenever he came on. No Plan B, and Plan A was just KITAP1.
925 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:39:57
I think you're becoming the new Jimmy S.
927 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:39:41
928 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:42:39
Ross, once again spot on. His obsession with Naismith was worrying to say the least. His downright refusal to play Barkley, Oviedo, Duffy etc...was downright negligent.
931 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:49:06
Sorheim I hope John?
937 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:46:38
Seeing as this thread was about Dunc before Ross hijacked it again, I think so called passion and charisma is becoming underrated in the modern game. Maybe in the old days when a bit of harder running and effort would suffice but now the game is a sprawling mess of tactic boards and statistical analysis. If Duncs learned all of this and the guys at the top think he is good enough for the job then fine. if people just want him in because he's a good cheerleader and might batter Rodgers in the derby then its not really the best move for the long term future of Everton is it. Plus Kenny inherited a very good team - his league form with the modern version of LFC and Shearer's foray into management shows the danger of going for the sentimental option. Kenwirght didn't go for it last time - don't think he will again this time either.
940 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:56:59
I just gave my point of view. If you don't want me to voice them I'll quit the site James, if that makes you happy.
944 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:59:49
945 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:59:26
"someone that has proven tactical nous in charge"
We allowed DM to get away with no tactical knowledge whatsoever for 11 years didn't we?'
Just drags the argument away from what the thread is about as well as being erroneous. If Moyes had 'no tactical knowledge whatsoever' why weren't we relegated? Are their managers in this league with less than 'no' tactical knowledge? Or let me guess was it the 40,000 Evertonians who kept us in the top 7 most years nothing to do with the players on the pitch which is why managers who failed at other clubs will magically turn into top managers when they eventually get here?
947 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:04:06
948 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:01:26
949 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:09:05
950 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:07:45
951 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:05:05
952 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:09:00
956 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:16:44
957 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:22:09
958 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:21:17
'I just gave my point of view. If you don't want me to voice them I'll quit the site James, if that makes you happy'
I feel a toffeeWeb poll coming on.
959 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:25:53
960 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:26:44
961 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:25:58
962 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:27:52
963 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:28:54
965 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:27:40
Jackie, ok, maybe a tenuous link. But very tenuous? As you "kind of..".
966 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:30:20
967 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:29:41
968 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:31:17
969 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:31:14
970 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:34:36
972 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:31:20
After Moyes, there are in my opinion two options – a wildcard such as Ferguson and Stubbs, or a steady Eddie.
If we could attract Rooney back with Ferguson / Stubbs at the helm with an experienced coach alongside them there would be a huge amount of interest in Everton once again.
Whatever happens we need an 'insider' on the coaching staff, somebody who gets and knows how we feel, and somebody who will not just casually accept being turned over 3-0 at Anfield and weeks later dumped out of the FA Cup after being 1-0 up at half-time.
973 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:41:11
976 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:41:10
978 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:48:45
979 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:44:34
I want us to have a modern, thoughtful coach with a positive approach to the game and strong technical and imaginative methods. Might someone like Ferguson, Neville or Stubbs be a useful assistant to such a coach, definitely. Should someone like Ferguson, Neville or Stubbs be the manager? God no.
981 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:53:37
982 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:48:12
Moyes said Johnny H would make a good manager a few weeks ago.
I think there is a question to be asked before we can appoint anyone anyway. are the coaching staff staying or going? If they're staying then an inexperienced manager could slot into position with a bit of a safety net. If the key members of the coaching staff are following the turncoat up the road then the pool of potential new managers will have to narrow to those who have experience.
Mr Mourinho, why don't you come to the REAL blues!
986 Posted 15/05/2013 at 16:57:34
1. Let's hire the most famous Qatari football manager.
2. Pre season tour of middle east.
The coaching staff can carry the weight of training, Mr 'putting us in the shop window' can stand on the touchline looking dapper and shouting at the 4th official. Job's a goodun.
992 Posted 15/05/2013 at 17:20:15
Hire Terry Leahy to represent us on our middle east tour and tell Earl to do something for once and get some of his Hollywood chums to visit our matches over there to turn it into a complete and utter circus. Get PN to talk constantly about his friendship with Beckham and mention that he'd really like to set up a youth academy over there.
Interest in football (providing FIFA don't renege on the WC) will eventually reach fever pitch over there.
Or we could stay here and play TNS and Preston.
997 Posted 15/05/2013 at 17:33:29
002 Posted 15/05/2013 at 17:29:57
Similarly half baked is the fanciful idea that foreign is the way to go and, therefore, Vitor Pereira is our man. Personally, I'd barely heard of him before a couple of weeks ago and certainly have little firsthand knowledge of his 'philosophy' (in quotes because it is Rodgers style bollocks).
Give us someone who knows the English game and how to operate on a budget. That is the situation he'll be working in whether we like it or not.
004 Posted 15/05/2013 at 17:47:31
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22525518
008 Posted 15/05/2013 at 17:51:24
009 Posted 15/05/2013 at 17:54:36
010 Posted 15/05/2013 at 18:07:38
Harry Redknapp's Dog.
011 Posted 15/05/2013 at 18:09:10
Would be a massive massive gamble and he needs to cut his teeth somewhere first. Don't want Stubbs anywhere near it either.
012 Posted 15/05/2013 at 17:57:43
Point 2: I see two choices we can either go for a manager for the short term with Dunc as a number 2 to basically get the big guy ready to take over. Or we gamble on a Laudrup/Martinez type.
Point 3: Who is the most successful manager of the premier league era? Are there any other temperamental, angry, gum chewing Scots with a penchant for smacking Prima Donna midfielders out there wanting to get into management.
032 Posted 15/05/2013 at 18:41:06
He has been in charge of Porto for two seasons,won the league in his first season and if he wins the last game of the season on Saturday he will win the league in his second season.
Not such a half baked idea maybe ?
039 Posted 15/05/2013 at 18:58:33
072 Posted 15/05/2013 at 19:58:11
I started off thinking that it was a really bad idea, but I've come full circle now and I quite like it. Yes it would be cheaper, but that's a good thing for us. We don't have much money. And maybe someone who's worked with Moyes can see his mistakes and improve on them whilst keeping the bits that Moyes did well.
Neville and fergie would work. Maybe?
187 Posted 15/05/2013 at 22:48:42
But to say he has zero skill in it is madness. Everyone think its such an easy job, yet somehow with apparent zero skill in tactics, he manages to punch teams above their weight and finish 6th.
It just makes no sense, he must have a tactical brain to manage a top club, but I think his main strength is certainly man management skills.
188 Posted 15/05/2013 at 22:07:08
192 Posted 15/05/2013 at 23:01:10
254 Posted 16/05/2013 at 02:43:26
I'll tell you who wouldn't be a bad second shout: Dave Jones. I like the way his teams play. He a very good manager wherever he goes. Maybe Dave Jones and Phil Neville in that order.
255 Posted 16/05/2013 at 02:57:26
Most likely they will continue along the lines of Moyes, and buy some of the players he wanted. We have to face it, we can NOT afford to keep sacking managers and picking up a new one every season or so like Chelsea does. I do not feel comfortable with Martinez as our new manager. He has no nous for really great players like Moyes does, and that is the reason why we should leave him be.
This new manager choice should not be taken as lightly as the last one. It would be a huge mistake to not set the bar at the highest possible candidate we can afford to get and go from there. It would be a mistake to go shopping for a new manager with only half of the worth Moyes currently is in wages. Is Kenwright that caught up in being average so he will reverse back into average every single time he gets his way?
Moyes was a great hire, but now we must aim much higher then we did before. First get a top European manager who has won trophies, and that has a great eye for youngsters. I would want to start by picking an example of what I want in our next manager. No better example then Solskjaer, he was in line to take the Aston Villa job but had to turn them down because of an oral agreement with his chairman. Solskjaer had all the attributes as a player, and now he is doing a great job for an average Molde FK side that only because of Solskjaer won the league two times straight. If Aston VIlla had him as first choice last summer, then why should we aim any lower?
The aim is the big question, where will Bill aim for? The middle of course, after all he has debts to pay and can not afford to aim as high as Moyes. The reason he is looking around average managers now, like Martinez or Lennon, is because he wants to slash the wages of the manager in half. Problem is it will hurt our short and long term goals to just hire the cheapest next best thing then average, Martinez.
I could go on, but I think I have said enough for people to understand my concern here. Basicly we need to aim higher than Moyes right now... while we still have the chance. For the wages Moyes was on, we can get the best of the best or next best. Why choose to go back to average when you are among the best???
450 Posted 16/05/2013 at 14:49:29
I could not think of a worse manager. What does Duncan know about training? He never turned up sober, if at all. what does Duncan know about tactics. What skills at all does Duncan have that makes you think he has anything to offer a top 6 club?
If Duncan is going to be a good manager, let him get coaching experience where he is with the u18s and then he can be considered in the future. Ferguson and Stubbs do not strike me as intelligent young men who know the first thing about taking modern training sessions, preparing a side or devising tactics.
593 Posted 16/05/2013 at 20:05:16
I'm sceptical of people saying "my dads friends dogs sisters uncle said..."
But might be worth a few quid.
712 Posted 17/05/2013 at 02:37:33
This the player who had far too many ordinary games against mediocre teams, was either injured or suspended, and if he didn't play, he didn't even know how Everton had gone on.
I pity the younger generation who have built Ferguson up as a legend... true he scored some great goals against the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd but for me he couldn't lace Latchfords, Sharps or Andy Gray's boots. A player who didn't show an interest in his teams results when he didn't play does not sound a candidate for the Everton job.
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910 Posted 15/05/2013 at 15:18:23
You spoke of Dalgleish but anyone could've won the league with that team. The team picked itself and they had an established style which they stuck to.
If it is Duncan then I will stand beside him (not literally) and give him my full support. At least we won't roll over when we play the top 4 away from home.
As for Rooney. Yeah, I'd give it a go. I don't know if Coleen would be happy with a miserly £100k p/w though. Those Jimmy Choo's are really expensive.