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The English connection of the non-English manager
I wanted to talk about one aspect of the manager debate which hasn’t been discussed much: language. Several fans have voiced their approval of Vitor Pereira, and for some good reasons. The guy has been successful... in Portugal. Other foreign coaches have also been discussed favorably.
But one thing seems important to a Premier League manager, and which several of these candidates might lack: the ability to communicate day-in and day-out with his players, in all manner of contexts, in their own language.
One reason Mancini might have lost the dressing room at Manchester City, if this is in fact true, is that his ability to communicate with the players was limited. At least, his performances in front of the media suggested as much.
Conversely, one of the things that made Moyes successful at Everton was the degree of his involvement with all aspects of the club and the players’ lives. It was partly language that allowed him to be completely immersed in all aspects of the club, and to create a bond with players such that they would be willing to walk through, or at least into, brick walls for the sake of manager and club. Everton players seemed to be regularly playing with injuries during Moyes’s reign, and that might be one indication of their attachment to Moyes and the cause.
In contrast, it’s debatable whether a candidate like Pereira can have that kind of relationship with the players and the club, without the language. He’s no doubt a great coach and tactician who can work on a tight budget. But how much control can he exert if he needs a steady stream of translation while doing his job?
And, similarly, how close can he get to players if he doesn’t speak much of the same language? Admittedly, I don’t know Pereira’s exact level of English, but the worry is worth some thought. Part of the appeal of Everton is the story of Everton, its history and stream of historic firsts, and you need a storyteller to make sure new players get this. After, that is, he himself is able to get it.
Anyone with similar experience of working with others without a common language can probably call to mind a certain kind of relationship. It’s one with someone who is respected and liked, but across a barrier, with the limits of language preventing the deepening of a relationship.
Of course, language isn't the only factor, nor even the most important. But arguments made in favour of non-UK managers can overlook the importance of language as a tool to bind together a club. On this point, and whatever his other short-comings, Martinez might offer the best of both worlds: a decidedly un-British approach to football, but the story-telling powers and Premier League experience to draw players into his vision.
Andrew Lambert, Posted 30/05/2013 at 18:14:49
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778 Posted 31/05/2013 at 19:27:59
808 Posted 31/05/2013 at 19:52:39
Having said all that, Dalgliesh won some trophies and he doesn't speak a word of English.
813 Posted 31/05/2013 at 19:57:12
830 Posted 31/05/2013 at 20:06:21
833 Posted 31/05/2013 at 20:14:25
However, I think an assistant who can pass on the messages (like David Platt did at City) would be of benefit. So if a foreigner gets the job- and the likelihood is they will- then communication is very important.
With that in mind I think Martinez is a shoe in
836 Posted 31/05/2013 at 20:22:53
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/vitor-pereira-perfect-fit-everton-3817219
839 Posted 31/05/2013 at 19:59:48
When I go to Lyon, I usually take her brother-in-law (who speaks virtually no English) an Everton shirt or t-shirt which he wears proudly around the Croix Rousse district of the city.
In fact if anyone has ever been to Paddy's Corner (traditional French boozer there) and seen a feller wearing an Everton shirt, chances are I bought it.
In return (he's from Normandie) he always has a lovely bottle of Calvados for me, made by his oul feller (and what I can't drink I use to fill up my zippo).
I'll be going at the end of the month and I will have to try to explain to him why he won't be getting this years new shirt.
Something like - 'Parce que notre nouvel insigne ressemble à un morceau de merde'
848 Posted 31/05/2013 at 20:31:56
My other half hails from Angers, Maine et Loire. I met her in the Cavern 1995. Nantes she followed... now is Blue as well Blue, and indeed to hear her sing 'And if you know' still brings a tear to my eye...
Allez Les Bleus
878 Posted 31/05/2013 at 21:27:59
881 Posted 31/05/2013 at 21:26:42
949 Posted 01/06/2013 at 02:45:17
The two Portuguese that spring to mind are Mourinho and AVB - both speak quite clear English. How funny/admirable was Jose's quip before moving to Inter: "I'll be fluent in a month."
Was it not also true that Wenger used to speak French in the Arsenal change room?
It may also be a crass generalisation, but Rangnick probably speaks English as well as any of us, and may have some more adjectives than "great".
970 Posted 01/06/2013 at 09:18:30
Does anybody know a manager who talks English, Belgian, Croatian, French, Slovak, Dutch, Costa Rican, Guinea-Bissaun, Nigerian, Greek, Gaelic, and .......Irish!
984 Posted 01/06/2013 at 10:49:52
Also Mancini's 'poor' English didn't stop him winning the Premier League and the FA Cup in his 3 seasons at Man City.
990 Posted 01/06/2013 at 11:19:42
992 Posted 01/06/2013 at 11:53:07
Mine's comes out back-to-front , upside-down and sideways.
She doesn't even get close which makes me laugh every time - "No LISTEN..goBB-shites, not GOGG-shites.." etc.
Roman (949) - "It may also be a crass generalisation, but Rangnick probably speaks English as well as any of us, and may have some more adjectives than "great""
And even if he doesn't, I'm sure he could vary things by learning 'Er..to be fair'
Then he'd have the choice of..
'We played great' or the much more PL..
"Er..to be fair I though we played great"
004 Posted 01/06/2013 at 12:54:32
Tony Cheek, if there's a manager that speaks Belgian, Costa Rican, Nigerian and Guinea-Bissaun, I'd love to hear his ideas on mermaids, unicorns and other things that don't really exist.
010 Posted 01/06/2013 at 13:22:12
Except that numerous reports have highlighted that Pereira's English is fluent. As is Rangnick's.
011 Posted 01/06/2013 at 13:22:21
200 Posted 01/06/2013 at 22:01:23
Not that I think everything on TW is gospel.
332 Posted 02/06/2013 at 11:39:00
Yeah der jock liked yer te lump it up but I want youse to play it on the deck-spread it around like stork on a butty.
No sittin' off just get stuck in.
Que?
384 Posted 02/06/2013 at 14:54:11
480 Posted 02/06/2013 at 19:09:23
728 Posted 03/06/2013 at 13:45:18
I do think that what you say Andrew about the language barrier has caused problems over the years. Scolari at Chelsea springs to mind. The Swiss fellow at Tottenham had big problems too. And neither lasted 5 minutes.
Zola manages to scramble through a few words of English at Watford, but he's ok at the moment with most of his team coming in from Italy under shady circumstances.
936 Posted 03/06/2013 at 19:46:40
All these years I've been going around saying "To all intensive purposes". I'm sure I would have got away with screaming it in a football changing room without anyone noticing though. You don't have to be that Pacific with these people. A managers influence on a pitch is greatly over-rated as a whole IMO.
551 Posted 04/06/2013 at 16:13:40
Actually, language is not the only factor in communication, there is a cultural aspect too. You can speak a language perfectly, and yet express yourself badly or understand incorrectly because your culture is different and the inference in the words is not about pure translation.
I live in Colombia, speak Spanish every day, yet when I'm with my lady's family, there are many things "lost in translation" because they are inherently cultural rather than language.... I can understand everything perfectly well from a language point of view, but that doesn't express all of the meaning.
So while Pereira may speak perfect English, can he get to grips with the culture of the region? That of course applies more to his dealings with the UK lads, rather than the foreign players.... but especially in in his relation with others at the club and the supporters.....
Will he understand that when BK puts his arm around his shoulder and with a wry smile and slight inclination of the head, sighs, and says "oh yeah, we've got a little money in the kitty for transfers" he means about 2.50, not 25 million? It's the body language, gestures, rather than the words that count.
It's not impossible, but when trying to form in depth relationships it does make a difference....
Not sure if I've expressed it well, it's difficult to describe....
556 Posted 04/06/2013 at 16:43:19
559 Posted 04/06/2013 at 17:08:16
He's got a face I wouldn't get tired of punching after a week. Well I would do if I wasn't 5ft 4" and a shithouse.
563 Posted 04/06/2013 at 17:19:07
I spent a lot of time as a kid in coastal Belgium with my grandparents - my mother was born there - in fact Ostend was actually the hub where most of the Brits holidayed to every summer - long before Spain took over as the place to be. Even back then their 2nd language, English, was excellent due to them watching the BBC/ITV all of the time and having to deal with the tourists. But that was on the Flemish side of Belgium. As you moved east towards the "Walloon" (French speaking) area, Chareloi and Brussels you were basically in France - no other language was spoken - certainly not Flemish. I dare say nothing has changed since, hence the Fellaini's and Mirallas's of that world speaking nothing other than French
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774 Posted 31/05/2013 at 19:31:37