Everton 2 - 1 Hull City
Roberto Martinez named his strongest side of those available, with Barry coming back in to take on Hull City at Goodison Park. Gibson, Pienaar and Alcaraz were ruled out through injury. Everton got the early lead when Barry appeared to clip a low shot from Mirallas that went in off the foot of the post. Hull felt hard-done by, as Davies went off after being clipped by Barry who was cautioned for fouling Aluko, the Hull player then setting up Sagbo to lash in an equalizer. Everton laboured after the break until Pienaar made his return as a substitute for Osman before the hour mark and in some fine style to put Everton ahead with his first touch, a delightful clip inside the post. Everton held on to move up to 5th.
Hull kicked off and had Everton pushed back in the early exchanges, Davies heading over from Huddlestone's early corner. But Lukaku was into action, brushing Davies aside but shooting hard at McGregorm who blocked it away for an Everrton corner that was headed wide. Then a great move eventually led to the opening goal after a corner when Osman fed the ball back in to Mirallas after Baines was barged over and Mirallas lashed a somewhat speculative grass-clipper that found it's way through the ball-watching Hull defense from outside the area, and in off the foot of McGrgeor's post as he watched in some shock, the puzzle being why he made no attempt to save it! But that was the last thing a packed Goodison crowd cared about as they erupted with glee. In slo-mo, it appeared that Barry (moving forward from a marginally offside position) may have clipped the ball and helped redirect it off the post.
Hull striker Danny Graham came off worst in what didn't appear to be even a foul by Gareth Barry, but his knee was clipped and the stretcher appeared, followed by Yanik Zagbo, sub. A free-kick was then awarded in Everton's favour, presumably given as handball when it came off Elmohamady(?)'s shoulder. Baines curled it in nicely but McGregor had it covered. Barkley then tested McGregor with a low direct shot as Everton dominated the play but a poor pass by Osman broke down a very promising attack, Faye getting a free header just over the bar off a corner that resulted from the ensuing Hull attack.
A dreadful spell of PIATB saw Distin play a horrible ball back to Howard who almost screwed it into his own net, Faye coming very close with another worrying free header off the corner. At the other end, Lukaku almost connected with a speculative Osman shot. Hull were making a real game of it, coming back at Everton, forcing Barry to accidentally foul Aluko as he came in over the ball and earned a yellow card for catching the Hull player's shin full on.
The shakey Everton defence could do nothing when Aluko powered his way to the byeline and clipped back to pick out Sagbo who lashed the ball past Howard to level the score.
Davies deliberately clipped Barkley in midfield but no yellow card and Baines wasted the free-kick. Barkley had another strike that was blocked as the youngster was able to make space for himself. It was spirited stuff, with Hull doing everything they could to stop the Blues regaining the lead.
Barkley got Everton moving forward again but Lukaku did not anticipate Baines's brilliant low cross and Jagielka's effort off the corner was blocked by the back of Lukaku's head. Elmohamady went down after a tangle with McCarthy as the half ended with 5 mins of added time. Jagielka was resorting to the long ball and losing possession each time. Aluko's shot was deflected just over Howard's bar by Distin, and Faye almost headed in the following corner, Everton looking disturbingly fragile in defence.
The pace and accuracy of passing needed to play the Martinez way was proving a challenge as Everton tried to build with steady pressure after the break. Lukaku was not getting much service as Rosenior collapsed clutching his hamstring. Barkley won a corner but Osman's centre was intercepted and Osman took action that earned him a yellow card with a professional foul. Livermore came close as Osman was replaced by Pienaar on 56 mins.
And seconds later a lovely flick off a good if slightly deflected Mirallas cross saw the South African score a very nice goal as the heavens opened.
It was helter-skelter at times as Hull sought to break up Everton's play... with a little too much success, When Hull got a couple of corners, they again won the balls in but failed to capitalize. Kone then replaced the tiring Lukaku.
Sagbo made a very dangerous challenge for a loose ball with Jagielka, as they continued to cause Everton problems but a good break looked to see Kone set up nicely for his first Everton goal, only for him to lash it at the post with McGregor beaten. He then had a second bit e of the cherry but McGregor patted his shot down and away.
Mirallas should have made more of a free-kick won by Pienaar, as Hull gave away another corner that Distin could not direct goalwards, Everton looked to play out the final minutes, Baines winning a free-kick off a classic obstruction by Elmohamady, but the intention was half-hearted with only three blue shirts in the area.
Scorers:Mirallas (8'), Pienaar (57'); Sagbo 30')
Everton: Howard; Coleman, Distin, Jagielka, Baines Y:90+4'; Barry Y:29', McCarthy; Osman Y:55' (58' Pienaar), Barkley (79' Naismith), Mirallas; Lukaku (67' Kone)
Subs not Used: Robles, Stones, Jelavic, Deulofeu.
Hull City:McGregor, Rosenior (66' Boyd), Davies, Faye, Figueroa, Elmohamady, Huddlestone Y:90+1', Livermore, Brady, Aluko, (74' Quinn), Graham (15' Sagbo). Subs not Used: Bruce, Meyler, McShane, Harper.
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185 Posted 19/10/2013 at 14:21:47
186 Posted 19/10/2013 at 14:23:40
Howard, Coleman, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, McCarthy, Barry, Mirallas, Barkley, Osman, Lukaku.
Subs: Robles, Jelavic, Kone, Deulofeu, Naismith, Pienaar, Stones.
That's 5 attacking players on the bench! Is Oviedo injured?
188 Posted 19/10/2013 at 14:15:12
Jelavic is not a lone striker and definitely needs a partner like either Kone or Lukaku up front. When Lukaku goes back to Chelsea we will need Jelavic and Kone so I would not even consider letting Jelavic go.
189 Posted 19/10/2013 at 14:25:15
190 Posted 19/10/2013 at 14:32:34
194 Posted 19/10/2013 at 14:52:30
195 Posted 19/10/2013 at 15:54:46
Jags is looking a bit tired, Distin needs to keep his concentration and watch the accuracy on those long balls.
Lukaku needs some service. Ross is the heartbeat of the team at the moment.
We were better second half!
199 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:13:16
IMHO the defence should be the focus of RM's attention in the next few weeks. Conceding too many and we'll get a real trouncing if this isn't addressed.
Still, a win is a win is a win and should build confidence. Unbeaten all year at GP.
200 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:13:18
Keep the wins coming Roberto. 4 points ahead of Man U, 3 points off the lead, yet we have people moaning like we've been beaten 3-0.
Cheer up, it could be worse, you could be a Sunderland fan.
201 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:18:47
Good on you, Pienaar! First touch was the winner.
203 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:32:59
204 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:34:27
205 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:37:08
206 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:35:57
Thoroughly enjoying the football, the pace of counter attacks. We just need that missing magic of the final pass being right (Mirallas castigated Barkley big time with about 10 mins to go when he didn't put him through onto a clear goal)
207 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:37:22
Our defence at times looked appalling. We were completely asleep for their goal and got lucky with some of our passing around the back (I'm thinking particularly of Distin's horrific 'backpass' to Howard that looked more like a shot).
As for our attack, Kone needs to really buck his ideas up and we're going to be absolutely screwed if one of either Barkley or Lukaku pick up a knock.
Finally, Ross (200), criticism of the team when they've played badly (which we did) doesn't become null and void just because we got 3 points. They're still valid criticisms whether we won or not and hopefully Martinez knows what he needs to do to sort them out.
209 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:44:35
210 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:46:57
211 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:46:37
Lets keep grinding out the results until January and hopefully Martinez will get a nice chunk of cash to improve the squad some more.
212 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:39:49
Last season, the 4 least-conceding defences ended up in the Champions League. We were the fifth, and finished 6th. The way for a top 4 spot goes through a strong defence – look at Southampton.
213 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:36:08
We didn't find enough space today partly because the players didn't try hard enough + the Hull players tight marked us.
Kone just needs a goal to kick him off, his general play is smart, needs playing time but will not get much because of Lukaku.
It's not a bad sign when were playing a bit iffy but still managing to win.
215 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:57:37
216 Posted 19/10/2013 at 17:49:10
Their corners were a nightmare. Howard didn't command his area and we looked a shambles.
217 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:13:45
218 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:00:33
Like I said on an earlier thread, you can only play that style successfully with certain types of players and Distin, Jagielka aren't them. They are both very good defenders but are not footballers.
It's early days under Martinez and we are winning so have to give time for the football to improve, but I can totally understand how Wigan conceded so many goals.
219 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:16:26
(1) A poor performance
(2) Relief at the knowledge that we had a lucky win
(3) A little gloating and nipping on redcafe and 606 perhaps?
(4) Real paralyzing fear at our dodgy defensive pair who make each corner a hide-behind-the-couch moment — and this cannot just be conveniently explained away by "Oh it's all down to adjusting to new formations, innit."
220 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:18:22
1. Our distribution from the back is heart-attack inducing. Perhaps Alcaraz may be the solution to that.
2. Despite the misses, Kone looked bright and fitter. He will definitely add something and get some goals this year if fit.
3. Both Ross and Kevin tend to take too many touches in the final third when quick through-balls could be on.
4. The most pleasing aspect for me was that they barely had a shot in the last 10 mins. Good game control.
5. Pienaar is far preferable to Osman in that left wing slot. Good to have him back.
221 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:20:42
222 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:22:58
Less cheery: why are a significant number of our 'fit' players looking cream-crackered by minute '80, and, again, that scary defence and set-pieces in particular. Yikes!
223 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:06:56
I can't knock McCarthy's work-rate, but I remembered him offering a little bit more creative wise at Wigan, or was that my imagination? Still, a player with his engine are worth their weight in gold. I was just expecting a little more than sheer work rate from McCarthy when we signed him. Perhaps I'm judging him too early.
224 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:28:45
225 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:20:23
Howard has no control over his area, Jag and Distin were very poor. McCarthy played very well but he was the only one. It's suppose to be a good sign if you win while not playing well and that's what we did today.
226 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:28:33
227 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:22:55
You are spot on: not great performance and relief in the end but on defending corners it doesn't matter about new systems. Defending corners is basic stuff for centre halves. But they are not helped when fanny face / Dracula in disguise won't come out for crosses.
228 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:23:39
That said, Pienaar's return will help us no end. Left midfield as been an issue for us with Pienaar out (Personally I would have put Mirallas there and Deulofeu on the right). Osman was very poor today, understandly so, and credit to Martinez for making the decision when he did. Pienaar, whilst out of sorts over the past year, keeps the ball fantastically well, has great movement and works superbly with Baines. I'm sure we will be a more fluid outfit with him in the side.
Kone should also have killed the game off. He showed at Wigan that his finishing is sometimes terrible. But he looked dangerous when he came on, and when he gets a couple of goals, will be a real threat from the bench. He just needs time.
Whilst I didn't enjoy the performance today, I enjoyed the result, and the current league table. Some winnable games coming up too.
229 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:25:21
230 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:28:06
It was nerve-racking at times today when we took the ball from the keeper when under pressure; when it comes right after half a season or so, it will be less so.
Interesting build up to Pienaar's goal suggests we can and are mixing it up.
231 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:18:21
The problem at the moment is in defence as it seems some of the defenders trying the tippy-tappy football move out of position leaving us vulnerable.
As good defence is the platform for a comfortable, win I think more time should be spent improving it as going over previous seasons our defence was a lot more organized.
232 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:32:50
233 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:30:31
They didn't get a sniff last fifteen.
234 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:41:10
235 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:38:57
236 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:39:03
2. Barkley has to remember it's a team game and not try to do it all himself.
3. We spend too much time and place too much emphasis on pissing about at the back. The defence do not look comfortable playing tippy-tappy.
4. Kone is a black Bernie Wright.
237 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:34:14
Our very poor GD is an indication that we just cannot put away these teams – our 3 draws could certainly have become 4 draws today. I also worry we now have no decent defensive cover for Jagielka and Distin. Jagielka looked very tired – his play is predictable, and he will be exploited in future games. As for Kone – a waste of time.
238 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:45:12
239 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:36:22
Today wasn't especially comfortable to watch. Anyone of my age will confirm that the same could be said of some matches involving the Holy Trinity. Poor performances happen. You regroup, rethink and move on.
242 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:52:56
244 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:52:05
So in light of the above - pretty good and better than I thought we would be doing at this stage. I agree with John H - transition will be 18 months or so but I remember a few folk predicting relegation after 2 games!
245 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:50:44
248 Posted 19/10/2013 at 18:59:09
On the basis of today where a to be honest bit of hard graft squeezed out a win and then some of those crisp sunshine periods in other games I think that it's onwards and upwards in what will be a lengthy transitional time involving inevitable setbacks in which we will see where we stand in the top-7 (love what Saints are doing but like the baggies last year they will slip to 8th-10th).
249 Posted 19/10/2013 at 19:06:39
253 Posted 19/10/2013 at 19:12:09
254 Posted 19/10/2013 at 19:13:48
260 Posted 19/10/2013 at 19:09:09
Forget the negatives, Pienaar is back. Alcaraz and Stones will give us options in defence and Kone, with more games under his belt, will be a very useful addition to the squad. Plus McCarthy looks like he's starting to settle down and is starting to boss games. All in all I'm still very optimistic about this season.
261 Posted 19/10/2013 at 19:42:12
Sounds like the definition of a good team to me.
262 Posted 19/10/2013 at 19:07:14
Finishing remains a problem with Lukaku exposed as a mere mortal and Kone a clown. As for all that PAATB, you have to wonder what all this 'filosofy' nonsense will cost us over the next few months.
24 months of transition? Fucking ridiculous when we ought to be building on last year's 6th not learning to take a dozen passes before crossing the half-way line!
265 Posted 19/10/2013 at 19:51:22
Just behind Lukaku I’d put Kevin M. We can play Ross as and when and where.
Don’t worry about defence, we are still joint third in the table and things are looking good.
And hey, we haven’t even started yet!
267 Posted 19/10/2013 at 19:56:12
We didn't play at full throttle today as International week took its toll but we still won with a couple of top draw goals. We are in a nice League position and the fans who welcomed Martinez to the club are enjoying their footy again. I believe we can only get better as a football team/club with RM at the helm.
Just give the guy a little time.... Martinez is a gem of a manager and we are lucky to have him. He did turn the RS down by the way!!!
268 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:01:33
There will be setbacks along the way and I am already preparing myself for the day when a team really presses us and gets an early goal. There is a real thumping round the corner.
270 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:04:47
We didn't play that well overall but won against a pesky well organised side that even Man City had trouble overcoming a few months ago; this time last year we were drawing these types of games, remember a 1-1 draw with the awful QPR? The draw at home to Norwich? Away to Wigan? Loss at Reading?
At least we got the win today and we have to remember the likes of Barkley and Lukaku are nowhere near the finished article, they have both limited experience of starting and finishing Premier League matches but will over time get better.
The worst culprits today were the more experienced pros like Distin, Jagielka and the seriously spent Leon Osman.
McCarthy was outsanding and I am starting to see why we wanted him so bad, like a young Scott Parker, bites you legs and keeps the ball well, added much needed presence to our (in the past, lightweight) midfield.
The only few things I really do wish we could try to work on are winning some headers from corner kicks, in both boxes. When is the last time we scored a proper old-fashioned header from a corner? I know it's only a small fraction of the game but comes in useful if you could actually look a threat now and again from set pieces.
Good result though going into next week against one of our more bogey sides over recent years in terms of getting many wins with the exception of last seasons trip to Villa, and please Everton keep tabs on Gabby Agbonlahor, starting to become our modern day Les Ferdinand like nemesis.
271 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:08:43
275 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:10:00
From other matches it is clear that Coleman, Jags, Distinct and Bainsey are being asked to things they were never asked to do before. Personally I think that Bainsey gets caught up field way too much and does not get any cover he sets off. The return of Pienaar when he gets himself match fit may help that as often when Bainsey went to the touch line he would provide some cover. Having seen their goal on the highlights Bainsey was skinned by their player which does not happen too often.
Despite having McCarthy and Barry supposedly to be holding midfielders, I feel they both like to get forward and this one if the areas that Fellaini often did well as a sweeper in front of the back four. Also Looking at the highlights Hull looked to be a big and physical team a la Stoke of old and the new Everton ere not that big. Hull created all sorts of problems from corners where we miss Fellaini and when he played Jelly. I often thought Jelly contributed more to the team when defending at corners rather than not scoring.
But we are 5th with a 15 points from 8 matches... basically 2 points per game which will give us 76 points by May. That will do me.
Next week more frustration as Friggin TSN are showing the Villa game online... or offline as it was today.
276 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:20:49
Trouble is with some people they are never happy, just want instant success, well without fucking stupid bottomless pits of cash to spend it aint going to happen straight away is it in terms of finishing 4th? We can and could win a cup so let's see where the FA Cup leads us to but I am not going to jump on a new manager's back after two months of relatively decent results.
277 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:13:25
Bruce has made some good signings and they'll be comfortable. The last 20 minutes was the most relaxed I've been sat in my seat in the Park End with a one goal lead.
A smarter finish from Kone (who I thought did OK) A shot from Pienaar when one and one and a drop of the shoulder from Ross with a right foot finish from the edge of the box and we could have been comfortable.
Would you rather we backed off and hoofed it like last season's Norwich home game? Hull have lost to the 'Big 3' — Chelsea, Man City and Everton, all away. Well done to them, they had a go and brought a good following. First time in a while I've heard the announcement ' Today's game is sold out' as I walked to the turnstile (hey it's retro day). Why? Because we are trying to play football. Let's embrace it! We'd all have taken 15 points from 8 games at the start of the season. We've played the two teams that will finish first and second, The shite haven't.
67% possession means that the other team are chasing the ball. They were so tired at the end it was like they'd stopped playing. Keep the ball and tire them out. It works for me, 15 points from 8 games....what's not to like?
BTW - I was at a loose end last weekend (International break and all) so went to Fleetwood v Chesterfield, OFM was there scouting a Fleetwood player, can you imagine Roberto being there? Give thanks!
278 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:29:43
279 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:30:49
Even Man City have had some seriously rocky patches with bollocks defending and an awful result at Cardiff, Liverpool lost at home to Southampton, Chelsea lost to us and have looked ordinary at times, United have been on a downward spiral for a few years and have been landed with a manager who isn't exactly known for attacking football or winning high profile matches.
We are in a very very competitive league this season, I cannot see anyone really running away from anyone at this stage of the season, maybe after Christmas things do tend to pan out how they finish but, at the minute, it's all about winning as many points as early as possible.
280 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:21:05
Howard, I'd never realised before has a great throw on him, much better and more accurate than his kicking, should utilise that more. Still, what could easily have been 1-1, 2-2, brill to be where we are early doors with such a shift in management, tactics, training, transfers, media relations.
281 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:39:55
Each passing week I'm less and less concerned about Bainsey going to OT, that's the last place any player with any ambition will head.
Happy Saturday night to all Blues!
283 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:45:46
Loved the great passages of play when we had them (and there was some great interchange stuff). And I hope they become more frequent and consistent.
First half I was surprised how much went down our left-hand side. At times Seamus and Kevin were in more space and yet Barry and McC turned away from them and went left.
Hull, I think, are a somewhat better side than some give them credit for. They pressed us hard at times. And they can actually play some goof (good!) passing football themselves. Having said that, I'd like to see us put such sides to the sword with more ruthlessness.
I'm looking forward to when our high level of possession gets turned into more chances being created in and around the box. There are many opportunities when a shot presents itself which we will, hopefully, be taking rather than playing another pass.
So, no negativity but honest appraisal.
284 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:34:54
We could also do with a another quality midfielder in January I'm sure RM knows that better than anyone, money shortage shouldn't be a problem!
With those changes I think we can seriously challenge for the top 4 or 5 places.
285 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:42:16
As I predicted, Kone needed to come on after an hour as Lukaku has done loads of travelling in the past fortnight. Its not a coincidence that the players who played in the internationals struggled. There is no centre back pairing in the league who I would swap for Jags and Distin. Man City swapped out ALL their back four today which should give every fan an idea of the difference in playing squads quality... money talks boys!!
Hull City have given every team trouble and its a great hurdle to get over successfully. We have not lost a Premier League fixture at home since 2012. I don't think that any other team in the league has equalled that particular stat. When the lads are back together and firing on all cylinders they are more than a match for anyone at Goodison. We just need to be better defensively for away games!
288 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:58:24
Come on lad, read your post back then look at the table.
Early days, mate, it will take half a season.
289 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:53:25
290 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:21:54
We need to be able to go long to Lukaku for a for 15-20 mins to force the opposition to defend in their own half, this should give the CBs much more time on the ball to play how Roberto wants, we can't be one dimensional, it makes us too easy to work out. Also can we fuckin shoot when we get in and around the oppo's box pls, Jesus fuckin Christ! (I find that frustrating.)
291 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:48:26
292 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:26:25
Yep. Good stuff.
293 Posted 19/10/2013 at 20:59:07
In reality, I believe Kone for Barkley will do the trick.
296 Posted 19/10/2013 at 21:06:27
We have to shake off this expectation that we're just going to smash teams left right and centre all the time. We actually did well controlling a lot of their open play attacks. We only really had problems from set pieces. Hull posed us a problem to go and get the winner after they equalised and we had the quality to do it and to shut them out. More than deserving of three points.
Our problems have been longstanding. There is a weakness in the Jagielka and Distin partnership to long balls either right down the middle or whipped in from the angle. They've always had this susceptibility, I don't know what it is but Distin just does ridiculous things at corners and Jagielka seems to be undercooking crosses and letting attacker sin behind him. We oculd have conceded loads today. That being said wedidn't look like conceding from open play so hopefully it won't take too much to fix.
On another note Pienaar has taken a lot of stick on here for those times when he hans't quite been as good as he usually is. He's still class though in everything he does. He makes the most difficult of link up play look so easy. Touch, agility, aggression, work rate - class player who improves us immensely.
299 Posted 19/10/2013 at 21:12:44
We needed a fresh start and I think we have the man to do it. Unlike others I don't think that playing poorly and winning is a lot to be happy about. I have absolutely no doubt, though, that we will play well and win more often than we have done for a long time.
300 Posted 19/10/2013 at 21:21:56
Man Utd and Chelsea have won titles over this past decade grinding out results like we did today. They didn't just simply beat every team convincingly on the way to their titles, they often just found a way to win when they weren't playing that well - that's the sign of a good team.
Arsenal in the last few years are a prime example of a team who can't win when they don't play well. That's why they've failed to challenge for the PL title for the last few years.
301 Posted 19/10/2013 at 21:19:33
It would be difficult to sum the game up better than your post 296.
Absolutely spot on
302 Posted 19/10/2013 at 21:42:47
303 Posted 19/10/2013 at 21:32:06
I suspect reason why Martinez wants to fast track Stones
304 Posted 19/10/2013 at 21:48:46
As you say though that is the Premier League – there are very few teams nowadays that will roll over (Sunderland apart).
Pienaar absolutely improves us and fits right in with RM's way.
Finally, despite the terrible miss, I thought that Kone looked good when he came on (footie wise, not hair!)
320 Posted 19/10/2013 at 22:10:21
335 Posted 20/10/2013 at 00:00:45
I went off him a little towards the end of last season, but our new style may suit him down to the ground.
With McCarthy & Barry doing all the dirty work, it will give Pienaar & Barkley more space in the final third, where they are both at their most effective.
Could be a very well balanced midfield we have there.
355 Posted 20/10/2013 at 05:30:41
I still think we deserved to win the game today despite only McCarthy and Barry being anywhere near the standards we are capable of. Lets not forget Hulls last away match saw them come from behind twice before winning the points at Newcastle and was always going to be a tricky fixture.
The positives should come from the obvious mistakes being made from goalkeeper and defenders can easily be put right as defending corners and set pieces are just basics of concentration and tracking runners and this apart I don't really remember Hull causing Howard to make a save.
358 Posted 20/10/2013 at 06:16:10
As for jags playing long passes, he's the PL's current long pass holder, and most of them just go into touch; it's a pity he can't produce his England performances for his employers.
Looking back a couple of seasons, I remember City were dire in lots of games, such as the Gibbo game at Goodison, and even against relegation fodder QPR on the final day but they managed to claim the title. We've been having some terrible games for years and getting nowhere so playing below par and winning doesn't upset me too much.
Spurs got battered at home to WHU who we beat at their own ground; we beat 11 man Newcastle but the reds couldn't beat 10, so maybe we should trust RM who has had bad luck with injuries and had our LB's head turned by our ex boss. Give Robby time - I'm sure he won't need 11 years
387 Posted 20/10/2013 at 11:01:26
390 Posted 20/10/2013 at 11:24:02
McCarthy grew as the game went on and if he carries on this way £13m may prove to be shrewd business. Barry had one of his poorer games and I panic nearly as much as Jagielka himself does everytime he has time to dwell on the ball. 3pts and 5th will do me though especially as we didn't even have Gibson, Hibbert, Oviedo and Heitinga on the bench.
391 Posted 20/10/2013 at 11:19:25
My main worry is that by losing at Fulham in the League Cup we have actually deprived the likes of Deulofeu, Stones, Oviedo, Alcaraz getting good game time which allows to bring them into the 1st team ready to replace whoever is out. Even though Jags and Distin are going through a sticky patch would you trust Stones, Alcaraz say against Beneteke next week ? I wouldn't . The Under 21 set up is of no use to 1st team players, other than a fitness test.
399 Posted 20/10/2013 at 12:43:19
Everton won yesterday, 2-1, against a team playing very well at the moment who hadn't conceded a goal for about 3 hours, so why all the scrutiny?
All I saw (watching from my sofa with a huge bloody cast on my ankle) was a team who kept possession really well (us) against a team high on confidence. One thing I didn't like which lots of people have mentioned, is our marking at corners – we seem to have started zonal-marking, which I've never been a fan of on any level.
Distin was also pretty shocking yesterday, but apart from that, we played well enough to win the game, and with 67% of possession it does mean that the opposition have less opportunity to score – it's really hard to score goals when you don't have the ball much. Only issue is that we're ripe for the picking on the break. But then so are Barcelona.
417 Posted 20/10/2013 at 15:16:50
Whereas what we were doing, especially on corners, was a mystery. This zonal stuff seems like a bad idea!
434 Posted 20/10/2013 at 16:24:28
We are 8 games in.
It will no doubt take the players a bit longer yet to get used to the new system of play.
Yet you'd think by the negative tripe on here that we are in Sunderland's situation. We are in the top 6 for crying out loud.
444 Posted 20/10/2013 at 16:36:46
I think the Internationals took a lot out of Jags and Baines, who looked knackered, both physically and mentally, so am hoping for an improvement next week at the Villa.
Kone just needs time on the pitch – you'll see a great striker there.
547 Posted 19/10/2013 at 19:12:09
567 Posted 21/10/2013 at 09:51:04
I was doing a lot of clock watching over the last 5 minutes of standard time - every time we got the ball we generally held it for two minutes. So with 4 mintues of extra time that gives Hull a maxiumum of 4 attacks in the last 9 minutes of play. This makes for much more comfortable viewing than 3 attacks a minute which we were putting up with last season at the end of tight games we were leading.
702 Posted 21/10/2013 at 17:37:41
A better team would have seen off the likes of Albion, Cardiff and Norwich.
The centre of defence is a concern with both Distin and Jags somewhat lacking in co-ordination in too many games this season.
Having a couple of good tackling deep midfielders would certainly help this situation and to this end the likes of Barry and McCarthy could be a factor in the absence of Gibson and the out of favour Heitinga.
The next game is very iffy especially with Villa getting a second home game in succession and smarting from yesterday's defeat.
What are the odds of Villa losing again plus they will have Benteke back to cause the Blues problems. Everton need to be totally focused on this one from the off.
781 Posted 21/10/2013 at 23:00:29
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