Blues want £25m each for Fellaini and Baines

I hope so... then we will see what Moyes is made of!!!

Set dour Dave a deadline of tomorrow evening - £50M - put up or shut up! Take it or leave it.

I think £50 million is about right

Keep the both of them, Bill, and show Moyes that you're not the push-over he thinks.

I might get crucified here but 50 mill for both? the club would be foolish not to accept that, as long as most of that is reinvested in bringing in more players of course!

Hope its true. It only makes sense to sell them at that kind of price.

£50M for those two makes a mockery of what Rooney went for, particularly when his price tag was over £50M.

Kevin (547), I think most Blues would accept that at some point it just makes financial sense and the club would be foolish not to sell both players for £50m. That kind of cash would be very helpful to us.

The key, of course, is whether Martinez would get the chance to spend any of it before the window closes. Which is why Everton should put a definitive deadline of their own on it and refuse to listen to any offers after that.

Don't think there's much chance well get that much. More likely fella will be off for 25m.

Well if true he has finally grown a pair at last. If they want them they have to pay the rate going rate. Be sorry to see them go but for 50mil what we get after the bank has their bit will be interesting though. Will it be enough to replace two of the best players in the prem or will we end up with has beens or three average Joes from the Championship having paid over the top by being held to ransom.Or will we find a gem like Moyes used to i.e Cahill, Lescott et al Only time will tell.

I guess it's highly likely now we'll meet in the middle. Martinez has already said he's not involved and he'll wait and see how it plays out!

Just take a look spurs, they are spending the Bale money, and I hate to say this, but they have built a very good squad.

Problem is they have the money from one player, replacing 2 and then adding will be far more difficult, Baines in my opinion will be easier to replace and is the right time to sell, Fellaini's price will only increase over the next 3 years and would be harder to replace, if you could replace him at all.

I'd suggest we sell Baines.

I wouldn't let RM anywhere near £50 million after the signings he's made, I mean £6 million on Kone!!! Do me a favour...

The thing is, even if we can screw Ginger and Man U to the floor, although we don't really want either to go, can we get anyone in before the deadline? I doubt it very much, unless they knew it would come to this, and have got reinforcements waiting.
I still find, that if they have, that there has been no leaks as to who. Apart from James McCarthy, who has been constantly linked, although Roberto has denied this.
I think if they do get it, it would represent good business, but not good for the team.
You know what a dithering shithouse Moyes is, can it be sorted quickly?

Not happy with what Roberto says in the guardian it looks as if he's not getting a say in this and I for one would prefer him involved in what goes on.

Now they are saying Fellaini has asked for a transfer. Is there. No end to their spin. First Baines now. Felli. What knobs

The pressure is on the players now, it depends on much sway their agents have; My guess is that Fellaini will have to sacrifice his pay-off if he wants to join United and I think that's what will happen. Baines can probably afford to wait until January as he will be nearer the end of his contract.

50 mill for the pair sounds fair, but the timescale worries me

United must know already, what they will or will not pay - so why don't we just say: 'The price is £X, you've got 10 minutes to offer it, after which we won't even answer the phone'.

Even if we get £60m, what fecking use is it one day before the window closes?

Are we all being played like an old violin again?

Listening to Roberto talk about the transfer saga, I get the impression that he knows exactly which way he will go when the time comes. He certainly must have targets in mind for either Fellaini and Baines - he would be naïve not to

Nicholas,good one hope Bill's reading this.

I think by saying £25m for both makes it sound like we're playing hard-ball - but ultimately if Utd stump up the £25m for Fellaini and say no thanks to Baines, then we've actually only sold Mo at roughly his market value.

At the end of the day, however much we get, EVERY PENNY should go to Martinez for building his squad. The extra tv money should help Bill keep the banks happy so there should be no reason why this doesn't happen.

What worries me is Martinez reaction to this "I don't want anything to do with it"Seems he does not want to step on either BK's or Moyes toes by upsetting the apple cart or he is not been given any say in transfer deals. That does not sound to clever especially as we have lost players in the past by dithering either by Moyes or BK or both. If he just identifies the players he wants and then leaves it to the men in suits what authority does he have. What is Evertons transfer policy

Lyndon agree, this has to be done before Monday, I truly believe that James McCarthy is a done deal and Barry looks like he's also joining, but I still feel we need a couple more, maybe its the cynical side of me but it does make you wonder if this is all fucking grandstanding and its already a done deal(Fellaini,Baines,Mccarthy,Moyes,Martinez,Kenwright,Whelan) they all know each other very very well if you know what I mean!

Nice one Nicholas, short, simple and funny!

O'Keefe's playing up the Barry loan deal on twitter..

If we only sign Barry after losing Baines and Fellaini there'll be a revolt..

The £25M each split is probably to get Fellaini for the £25M.... so theyve saved £5M on what he's really worth and when we (might) end up with McCarthy, £10M goes fuck knows where... Us fans of course being placated by Baines staying. If both go, Kenwright's till will be heard as far away as Southport.

And of course it won't be oh so bad, that plucky Oviedo looks a good replacement, dosen't he, Roberto....?

We may very well reserve judgement till 11pm on Tuesday, but as far as I can see we the fans will all end up wanting to feel Kenwright's veins between our teeth. Just like we should've 12 years ago when the bloodsucker nicked the club.

What's the point of having £50m now if we can't spend it and it costs us a Champs League spot ?
Think of how gutted we'd be if we sold them and lost out on a Champs League spot by a few points.
We'd also be making a stand for any future attempts by clubs to buy or players. Everton don't sell cheap.
Keeping these players benefits us massively in the long run.

"I have had enough of 'he said this, he said that'. This is a really sensitive situation because you're talking of a chairman and previous manager [Moyes] who had a relationship over 11 years. A lot of things have been said in public and I don't want to be part of that. I'm out of it. But I have never had any instruction that anything has changed."

Very concerned about that quote from Martinez, sounds like he's being undermined by Kenwright.

Kevin R: "I truly believe that James McCarthy is a done deal and Barry looks like he's also joining, but I still feel we need a couple more"

I think if Fellaini goes, McCarthy is probably nailed on as the wheels appear to already be greased there, even if only because of Martinez's relationship with both the player and Dave Whelan.

Barry would provide extra cover but we still lack genuine invention in midfield and I would love to see a really imaginative signing for the attacking central midfield area to help take the onus off Barkley. Someone with real speed of thought and feet, because with the exception of the likes of Mirallas and Coleman, we look so one-paced.

Kevin 565

Yep we are entering the end game now we have been taken in hook line and sinker once more cant argue with 50M it has just happened too late to get in the quality replacements.

Face facts folks if we sell our best assets we are doomed to languish in the basement, two points from two games and a very narrow escape into the next round of the CC is bad enough but to lose these guys without any first class replacements is suicidal, we are already lumbered with Kone with no sign of Alvarez being fit and only a completely unknown quantity in McCarthy possibly being drafted.

I was against Martinez as manager from day one and still think he won't fit the bill,t he only Wigan 'reject' I would have welcomed was McManaman, instead we are burdened with dross, from a relegated crew of no-hopers. Christ help us.

So let me get this straight. According to Man Utd's bids, Anders Herrara > Marouane Fellaini? And what is it about Moyes and Woodward with bidding below release clauses? Neither Bilbao or Everton would except a penny less than the minimum figure. Our case is particularly appalling because there is no clause anymore! I still refuse to believe we are actually at the negotiating table with no time to bring in reinforcements and all the leverage. Do we want United to succeed in defending the title? Cause that's the only reason we'd be selling here. None of this helps us. Say we have all the rumored replacements lined up. For instance, Marrone, McCarthy, Moses, and Ince for the estimated 38M they cost. How the fuck are we gonna get them all in with 3 days to spare?

£50M ?

Nope, not interested.

Slide that deep inside yer hoop ya frackin Judas

Look while accepting that Bobby wants to distance himself from outgoing I would be very surprised (Pearl Harbour surprised) if he is not talking each hour about incoming.

My hunch for what it's worth is that there is a short-list of players he wants in the event of ......

Let's also assume that behind the scenes there is all sorts of nattering going on and that a part of that is our gaffer chatting off-line as it were with people with his targets currently under their wing/in their stable.

It might not need longish stretches of time to set wheels in motion IF one or both hit the East Lancs Road.

But 96 hours or so to go Jesus wept once again it is so late in the day - not all our making I know but some of it is down to us: not setting deadlines for the most part. We must now say to Moyes Manure enough is enough you got until the end of the working day Friday or .....

Now of course a long weekend is hardly ideal to get our business wrapped up but that alas is the position we are now in. We are partly to blame for this state-of-affairs but there is still time enough to put things right IF they go and IF Teary Billy gives Bobby sponds to splash.

I don't get the anti-McCarthyism on here as he is young and terrific and versatile and Ince would be a great catch BUT we will need more: more experience specifically and I trust that Bobby has people in mind (Defoe by the way would not be at all a poor snatch from Spuds but why would they sell him after another brace today?).

Another hunch is that only Felli will hit the East Lancs - and that's fine by me - and 25 million smackers is good wheeling and dealing and another reason why this would be my preferred option is that half-the-money puts lets pressure on the upcoming long weekend and would lead to us bringing in McCarthy and one possibly and two others (crap would love Defoe but ..... ).

I want Leighton to stay as for me he represents what still remains good about footie.. Sell Felli. Get McCarthy plus at least one. And say to Beelezbub Moyes Manure 5PM
Friday or just fuck off you what a twat ruined your blue legacy ginger disrespectful pathetic-Fergie-imitator piece of bottom evacuation .....

50 mill in,30 mill out, McCarthy, Ince and Barry in plus one more 'suprise', would you take it? For me its a yes.

Would prefer McCarthy, Ince and one more 'surprise' loan Kev a- not Barry bit an experienced striker- Defoe? - and keeping hold of Leighton

I take it your opinion on Moyes has calmed, Mr Ferry? Ha ha

I want Leighton to stay as for me he represents what still remains good about footie.. Sell Felli. Get McCarthy plus at least one. And say to Beelezbub Moyes Manure 5PM
Friday or just fuck off you what a twat ruined your blue legacy ginger disrespectful pathetic-Fergie-imitator piece of bottom evacuation .....

I think the fact that Wigan say they have received enquiries for McCarthy but no bids as yet is strong evidence that we are simply waiting for Fellaini to sign on the dotted line for Utd before making our move for the young Wigan lad.

It is certainly going to be a very interesting, and potentially depressing / infuriating few days.

There's going to be some winners and some losers out of all of this.

I am starting to dust off my "Kenwright Out" banner in anticipation of him fucking this up.

I can see the Baines thing being a smokescreen to get a £30m-plus Fellaini for £25m. We've been bullied for 6 months by that fucking club. Some things are more important than money, like pride. It's time we stuck up for ourselves. I can't be the only Evertonian who is embarrassed to support this club. I'm actually ashamed by how we're accepting this. My days supporting this club are numbered.

It's man united's bitch to play for,
It's man united's bitch we support,
And if you your history,
It's enough to make your heart go AAARRRGH!

Why Barry? He's 32, super slow, and his wages are 120,000/week. You remember that own goal last year against Southampton? Useless player. Why would we get him when Luca Marrone is 23 and costs 7M? I'd say he's pretty good if he plays with Pogba, Marchisio, Vidal, and Pirlo everyday. Plus he can only get better whereas Barry's best days are behind him. If we lose the best left back in the world and the best defensive midfielder in the prem, I'm gonna need more back than McCarthy, Ince, and Barry.

I said days ago this would happen. Fellaini and probably Baines out. McCarthy in.

I would do a deal at 25m for Fellaini he's not that good.

Billy Liar will be crossing his fingers and toes for a last minute bid so the money can be kept

Paul,#610, how long have you waited to get McCarthyism on this site? Respect.

James, there's no finger or toe crossing required from teary bollocks.

He's steering this one like Bernie Madoff in a room full of rich old biddies, and has been since his ginger friend saddled up and rode down the Lanc's.

Lyndon, I don't think the cash would be helpful at this late stage. They are, no matter what some may think, our two best players by some way. Losing them and panic buying replacements, or, even worse, buying no one will send the Roberto project crashing. Kenwright must hold his nerve.

Ages, Andy, mate.... chuffed you spotted it.

Pete 621, the reason Barry makes sense is because Gibson is so injury prone plus his wage will be negotiated, 50 mill for b/f is very good business for the club.

Radio report last night, "Spurs have sold Elvis and bought The Beatles."

Wow.

Will this have Bill the Impresario frothing at the mouth? Will he rush to centre stage and ring down the curtain with a sensational last gasp coup de grace?

Hold the front page.

Harold as the late Kirsty MacColl sang "There's a Guy Works Down the Chip Shop Swears He's Elvis" but BK says he can't afford him.

Nice one Patrick. Hard times ahead.

Kev 635

Good business for the club, doesn't translate to good business on the pitch. Next season after two good World Cup performances they re still worth £50m.

Spurs without bale and Europa league, arsenal still to strengthen.

I honestly think that we should build the team around Fellaini and Barkley CM, with Barry coming in to cover when we need him. If we could also get Moses to play one side, mirralas the other and Deulofeu coming in when they are off form. 4th spot is a reality. Pienaar is the ideal number 10, or we can go two up front some games.

Good business to me would be qualifying for the champs league. The players have to perform WC year. Sell them after that if we have to.

Ill be gutted if Barkley and Fellaini don't get the chance to form a partnership. Two technically gifted, mobile, 6ft odd monsters, an absolute dream of a midfield. A position were games are won and lost.

Alan 642, believe me I 100% agree, but reality is at them prices we will sell, I hope and also believe RM has the replacements already lined up.

Alan...Spurs finished 9? points above us last season...they will lose Bale, but have added Paulinho, Soldado, Capoue and Chadili...with Eriksen, Lamela and Chirches set to come in when Bale goes. There is no way we are competing with them this season...or, imo, an Arsenal team who were 10 points better than us last season and who will strength before the end of Monday.

We are going to have a season of transition, where Martinez, and the players, will have to negotiate a new playing style. Our central midfield is woefully unprepared for an assault on the top four, and we lack the attacking depth to mount one. I can see our biggest strength, our defence, also being weakened by a more attack concentrated style.

I personally advocated selling Fellaini at the start of the window, but now it's too late. We need to get a number in, and Barry would fit the bill, although I'd love to see Moses arrive also. But we can't sell, because we don't have time to replace Fellaini or Baines or both. It would be suicidal, and send out all the wrong messages.

No one on this thread has said a word about how Baines would be replaced if he was sold. Oviedo is not the answer, at least not yet. Who is available and could be brought in to do a job at left back? I don't see it. Sell both and the season is flushed down the crapper.

We'll see if this has legs if they play on Saturday or not.

To lose Baines and or Fellaini at this stage is tantamount to suicide no matter what we get for them.

The idea is to get top class players in all positions not end up with more than 11 average players to "help the squad".

At 2 million a league place per year do we really want to go below the RS Southampton, Swansea and/ or West Ham because IMO that's what will happen if we lose Fellli's goals and Bainsey's assists.

Jay 652

Spot on. We're not to far away either!

And I agree in the main with Jim 648

It's unlikely we will Get top 4. But if Fellaini and Baines stay, Barry and Moses sign. With Coleman, Deulofeu and Barkley we are a match for spurs and arsenal in midfield and defence. We have no Europe to contend with, all our incoming signings are premier lque ready(besides Deulofeu), and bale won spurs 25pts last season.

I don't so much think its the style of play that will affect us. It's the lack of a quality striker. The wings could be solved with the form two from these three; Deulofeu, Miralass, Moses(should he sign) starting out wide. Then the manger has to get brave and keep Fellaini DM and put Barkley alongside him as a box to box dynamic midfielder, with Pienaar in front. Away at top 5 Barry comes in for Pienaar or Barkley.

I'd expect that squad to win 13 home games, 9away and only loose about 8-9, drawing 9. That's 72pts. If and its a very big 'If'. Kone and/or Jelavic hit form. If we take 4 pts of spurs arsenal and RS. They will have to play well to beat that. Anything can happen, Podolski is injured, Soldado could, Arsenal may reach the champ lgu final and prem form suffer.

We need to go all out this season, and not let the transition affect us in a negative way.

The style of play in the two league games I though was good. It allowed us to get possession we just didn't have quality up front to make more of it. And but for a bit of spawn we still would have beat Norwich.

Jay and others , Martinez has already been quoted as saying Kenwright is in charge of negotiations, I think even the most hopeful of us knows what that means..... they will be gone by Tuesday.

Jesus Alan - 654 - how many ifs and buts and maybes and perhaps are you allowed = our midfield is at present a league behind Spuds and your predicted incoming will not change that one jot

I have to disagree. After watching all of Barkley's games, and the way we played at the Emirates, to me Fellaini and Barkley together is as good as gets. They're both all action, can break up play and are great on the ball. With the added bonuses that Barkley can drive forward with the ball, shoot with both feet and ping a long-range pass. And Fellaini can score too.

I don't think we will get 4th, I'm saying we should build a team around them two, and with Barry, Gibson, Osman and Heitinga as cover. We should get more points than last season and IF they slip up, we're there.

Are Spurs going to settle their side straight away?

Man utd could have signed paulinhio and all them spurs midfielders, but they never. They want Fellaini. And barkleys better than him

Minus Barry, I want what you want Alan.

Is this the same £50 million that Mr Chairman told us "would not buy Rooneys left boot"?

Is this the same Kenwright that wanted œ50m for Rooney that's doing the deal?

Eric,re Kenwright
Makes a fool out of himself every time he opens his mouth.
Anyone who has the £50 million as a serious figure needs to think again

Kenworng has form for this = Rooney £50m anyone? The other blatant thing to bear in mind is that even if (and it'll never ever happen) Martinez was given every single penny of the transfer(s) there's not a hope that the world wouldn't know exactly how much he has just earned and thus the player he wants lastminute.com would suddenly cost the think end of that amount. Add to that the quality has already been hoovered up and we could end up with overpriced shite.

Please Lord (Grantchester) – come down and save our club.

£50 million for both, I would take that in a heartbeat.

I know the timing is shitty, but that is business. Martinez is not soft, he will be already working on replacements, and be sounding them out.

Question - If the word was true from Bill (stop laughing at the back) and RM was to get ALL the £50 million to spend, and reading reports this morning, would you take a punt on a certain Mr.Torres..........

It looks like we have agreed prices and deals for Mc Carthy, Ince in advance of deals for Fellani and Baines. If Kenwright gets 45 to 50 million then fair play to him. I am not a BK fan at all but at least he will shown for once a bit of backbone, any less however will bring condemnation upon his teary, wobbly shoulders

Steve Foster,

NO

Ed,

He won't get £45-50 million.

The hardest bit is replacing Baines. If we bought Marrone, McCarthy, Moses, Ince and someone adequate for Baines' place, we would probably be stronger overall.

If this is going to be done we need it done and dusted Sunday to give us time to get a couple of lads in, this is getting silly now, the Lescott issue we suffered for one game, this is the third game now we have gone into with a dark cloud hanging over everything, I bet RM hates the ginger shithouse as much as us he's thrown another statement he made back at him with "the grass is not always greener " shout, I would the club to keep them both though and bring someone in too, there would be no better statement to them and us the fans.

Paul, weren't you telling us all with great certainty how we were gonna sell Fellaini for less than the release clause? Still think that?

Apparently Man U have now sold buttner. If that's true then adds fuel to the idea that baines is leaving who I had thought would stay.

Will be amazed if we get more than 40-42m for the pair of them.

I'm sure all our potential targets are lined up to see if this happens. McCarthy would be first in, hopefully for not more than 8m. Him and Barkley would give us a good young central midfield who could be a real force after a season or two together.

Paul if we don't get 20 for Baines we should keep him then, I am less concerned about Fellani

No way Utd will pay 25m for Baines and I think it will be 20m or so for Felli plus a few million in add on's.....and at that he will go, just finding it so frustrating that its going to be another deadline day of trying to replace our big players

The hardest bit is replacing Baines. If we bought Marrone, McCarthy, Moses, Ince and someone adequate for Baines' place, we would probably be stronger overall.

Sorry for the repeat.

Felli is no great miss, as a deep holding midfielder he is too slow and static as are Osman and Gibson, we are crying out for someone in there with a run all day engine,who can drive forward, Baines however is a different story,but saying that, although he has still been good his level of performances have dropped slightly since last March, whether that has omething to do with teams getting onto the Pienaar/Baines partnership or I'm just clutching at straws ready for his departure.

Agree completely with those who believe Bill is steering the whole thing, that both players will go and that ultimately it is ALL about paying off debt.

I also think that with both gone, we will lose goals, physical presence and ultimately league places (which means cash Bill, you near-sighted prick).

In the 'death by a thousand cuts' policy that it appears is the only 'plan' we appear to have, I believe these two cuts will be deep, damaging and long lasting.

Given Everton is our particular drug, I believe 'Just say no' would the apposite response but just can't see it.

Would LOVE to be wrong.

Amazing how the general tone of his thread has changed compared to ones in recent days, and I include myself in that, now decent money is being touted. Every player does indeed have his price.

I think £25m for each is right, and if it gets offered we should take it as there's no point turning it down on principle and then trying to pick two demoralized players up.

The crucial part now is that Martinez gets any money resulting in the sale, that he has targets lined up and had time to bring them in.

There's probably more chance of Moyes getting a cut of the deal from BK as MF and LB were signed for Everton by him than 1 and 3 happening.

It's going to be a long Monday night.

Eugene, Bill will be in dreamland with this, his train set is well & truly gotten itself a nice new refurb with this and the new TV deal, can you imagine the wages we will save too on whoever are the replacements? Then we will have it all again next year with Barkley.

"Trust us: we know what we're doing,we are very good at what we do."

Kenshite speaking at the 2004 AGM, before selling Rooney to manure for £24m.

Oh dear, we are in serious shit aren't we.

If we sell lets face facts, we won't be getting enough for them, we won't replace them with better players and who's to say RM will see the cash anyway(less than half is my guess).

Worrying few days ahead me thinks.

IF the bid is £36m, and it is reported they were to offer £24m for Fellaini earlier this week, this still values Baines at £12m.

£50 Miilion is a good deal. Ovideo at left back...Tom Ince and McCarthy and still have money to sign a out and out striker.

Correct Al #712 - rumour has it that Man Utd have matched the previous clause valuation of £24m for Fellaini, but kept their offer at £12m for Baines. I ask yer.

Having tried to keep in touch with the transfer stories, and sitting in the pub just before Wednesdays' Cup Game and hearing the news that Baines had asked for a transfer, it has been interesting to watch and listen to all the media reports.

I have watched the new BT Sport Channel, Sky Newspaper Review this morning, Radio 5 last night, websites and most journalists are saying that BOTH players actually want to go to United and have "told" Everton that and furthermore Moyes is aware of this and is just waiting for the "right" moment.

My feeling is, as much as I like Baines especially, do not keep players who want to leave - - get the best deal you can for them.

I don't believe this has anything to do with Martinez but whoever does our "negotiations" - - Kenwright????

No evidence anywhere of any £25M each deal

Most of the "if they do this" and "if they do that" speculation is right here

Headless chickens clucking away at each other over absolutely nothing
Enjoy the "pecking party" ladies !

Oooh nearly forgot, apparently we have lined up Shakin' Stevens and Red Fox from Fulchester

Cluck cluck !

This is called psychological warfare and it's being led by Steve Currie (chief football journo) of the daily mail and massive man u fan. Roberto knows that BK is negotiating behind his back and looks like he's tired of all his bullshitting already.

If we get £50M then both players should be moved on. They have given great service to the club over the past number of years and I would wish them well.

We need to acquire 3 or 4 players as replacements. How about:

Ba
McCarthy
Barry and
Moses

I'm sure I've read that Holtby is now so far down the pecking order at Spurs that he will be allowed out on loan..

Putting my football manager head on I reckon with that we could get ourselves a few decent players with £50 million in the kitty.

Meanwhile in the real world I'm sure it'll come in "too late to reinvest" then it will have magically lost a naught off the end come January leaving us with £5 milllion to spend on McCarthy or a couple of loan deals.

Jesus Alan - 654 - how many ifs and buts and maybes and perhaps are you allowed = our midfield is at present a league behind Spuds and your predicted incoming will not change that one jot
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Spot on..even the players Spurs gave away would improved our midfield...

More head in the clouds stuff..

Oh and Holtby is a great shout Ray!

The irony of people hero-worshipping Spurs, who are just about to sell their best player.

Me personally don't think we will get £50 million but I would probably accept £40 million plus Buttner which would solve replacing Baines. Then along with Barry on loan and McCarthy coming in I would go for Demba Ba and get rid of 1 of the strikers

50 mill
Take it.
Nothing less

People on this thread are talking like £50mill is on the table... it isn't and never will be..

They will go £40mill at most... and that will be at 11 o'clock on Monday. This is king ditherer we are talking about..

Seems inevitable to me that both will be at OT in the next day or two unless we stand firm.

Given that Moyes will soon be back for Barkley, why not just say here and now.... £100 million for all three. Cash only. Thank you so much.

Part of me wants them to go as if not then we will just go through the same saga for the next two or three transfer windows till one or both eventually leave.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/335556/PICTURE-SPECIAL-Marouane-Fellaini-dons-a-Man-Utd-shirt

Cutting edge journalism there. Any other descriptions lads?

There are some great replacements touted by people in this thread and I'm sure some of them can do a job for us. however, I feel the outcome that is being talked about is an uncomfortable and sad one.

Selling our best two players just before the deadline is not good no matter how we dress it up.

It would be nice if Bill told DM where to go and signalled some intent to RM and the long suffering fan base. Stranger things have happened.........look at Parliment last.

Jon #753 wouldn't call it hero worship but you can't deny the money Levy is going to screw Real Madrid out of wont leave them any weaker, they have already replaced him with several players

Everton have Kenshite who couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, fully expect a right shafting at 10.59 and the pittance we get to disappear to persons non grata in the BVI

David D @763
FFS How shonky is that ?

The top half of Big Fellai's head on giggs face !
Still looks infitely more 'andsome that "gollum the gingger minger"

LOL

Please Mummy make the bad thing go away

My reading is that:
1. Bill makes the final decision on whether to buy or sell, not Roberto. And Roberto knows that.
2. Bill has told him he could sell one or both of these two if the offer is high enough.
3. On that basis, Roberto would be stupid not to look around at potential replacements (assuming he has time to do 11th hour deals - I know!). He is looking around, which confirms to me that Bill has told him he could well sell.
4. We'll see both go before deadline (probably not for £50m in total. And Roberto might get one replacement at 11th hour.

I'm resigned to seeing them go. And there is a price at which it would be mad not to let it happen.

Colin G #725 "Roberto knows that BK is negotiating behind his back and looks like he's tired of all his bullshitting already".

That's also the way I read what he said.

I'm astonished that anyone can consider that selling the best two players that we have had at the Club since Rooney, even for as much as £50M, can be good deal. The touted replacements – McCarthy, outstanding only in a relegated team, and the virtually untried Oviedo – would be totally inadequate. Any idea that Board would spend the rest of the transfer money is laughable; remember Arteta?

Kenwright has a golden opportunity to let Manchester United know that we will not do business with them in under any circumstances. Moyes has become our worst possible enemy and will eventually return for Barkley if he is allowed to sign Baines and Fellaini.

Neither player needs Champions League experience to be selected for their respective countries and the chances of obtaining silverware at Old Trafford have been significantly diminished now Moyes is in charge. If they are not allowed to move, they'll soon get over it.

I like the fact Martinez has basically come out and said "If they go, it's feck all to do with me lads, your Chairman is the one who is responsible."

Agree with everyone who says we should keep them. The replacements being touted are nowhere near the class of these two. Will Mcarthy give us 11 League goals next season? Will a new left back create the most chances in the League? Don't think so.

Anyway, who would let their two most important players leave this late in the day? Only a fucking idiot, or a con man.

Bye lads.

Sell for £50m

McCarthy - £10m
Ince - £7m
Moses -£7m
Barry - Loan
Defoe - £6m
Luke Shaw (Southampton left back £10m) anyone?

£40 spent, stronger squad and £10m left!

That looks good Jamie, but it isn't that simple. Imagine what those changes will do to the salary budget. I reckon at least another 70/80k per week and I am probably being conservative in my estimation

Plus Luke Shaw is about 6 weeks into a new 5-year deal. Why would Saints sell him? They have loads of money. Quality left back though.

Hopefully Wednesday's performance will show that Oviedo is nowhere near good enough to take up the mantle at Everton.

Nobody else really springs to mind. I'd much rather we bought a younger player than that lad we've been linked to from Grenada or wherever.

Your right Andrew, never thought about wages. Felli on £50k a week and were we not looking to offer Baines £70k? I think your right with about £80k extra wages but we would have £10mil left over

Jamie.
In a perfect world mate, in a perfect world.

But in our world.

£35-40 million for both, dead on deadline and no time to spend on other players.

£35-40 million trousered by BK to pay off his loans.

That is our world but I admire your optimism.

Optimism on ToffeeWeb?!! I knew I would get shot down!!! Lol

Have Naismith, Osman and Anichebe put down. Wage problem sorted.

The stakes are rising - http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/Moyes-ready-launch-final-40m-5816499 . If United offer £40m, what's the odds that Wenger will trump them with a bid of £40m + £1 ?

£40m is getting more realistic. We have to factor in the fact that we'll be paying top whack for anyone that we try and bring in this late - and it's Man United after all, so we should squeeze them for every penny. But if the players do want the move it could be risky to hold out too long.

I'm with Ian Pilkington & Kevin Tully on this totally !
I'm not interested in arming up our opposition at these "car boot sale" prices. Hire Daniel Levy and Dave Whelan to handle the negotiations and watch "The ginger sourpuss" and his silver allergy disappear with alacrity

Tell manure to fuck off
Tell Moyes to fuck off
Tell kenwright to fuck off

Support Roberto
Support Everton

I still think the suggestion here to employ Big Nev to handle the transfers is sheer common sense genius !

Resigned to Felli at least going. Do think it will be amusing to see Moyes stumping up more cash than his release clause to make it happen though. Clearly a shrewd operator in the transfer market is our Davey!

It seems McCarthy is Martinez's preferred choice to replace him. He is clearly an excellent player, but it would be nice to see us going somewhere other than Wigan to sign new players.

As for Baines, his departure would be bad news. I think most people would be understanding of the Felli deal, but Baines is a different matter and I'm sure Kenwright knows it. Therefore, the only way he can sell is if a really good bid comes in, somewhere around the £15-18m mark. Would United be prepared to go that far for a 29-year old left back? Hopefully not.

I would be so very very proud of our club if we told United to eff off at any effin price.
Sad thing is we know that won't happen.
I never ever thought the RS would display more dignity and self pride than us.
Equally I am disgusted at fellow Twebbers who publicly jumped at the chance of selling Fellaini.

Alan...I don't know how you can compare our midfield with Arsenal and Spurs... the defence has an argument, but the midfield?

Arsenal's best midfield - Arteta, Wilshere, Cazorla, Walcott and Podolski (if we are including wingers, although I think Ramsey will become a regularly and Caz will be pushed to the left)
Ours - Fellaini, Osman, Barkley, Mirallas and Pienaar. Looking at, imo only Fellaini would displace an Arsenal player.
Spurs have wing issues atm...but Lamela is certain to sign. But without Lamela:
Capoue, Dempsey, Paulinho, Chadili and Lennon.
-Still, imo, there's is better. Dempsey and Paulinho are marvellous players, and Capoue looks good on early showing. When Lamela comes into that, ours will be flagging behind. I think more problematically, Spurs can put out a second midfield of: Sandro, Holtby, Sigurdsson, Rose (put lm for rhetorical purposes) and Townsend.

What's our second midfield?

I very much doubt that we will finish within 12 points of Spurs this season. And if Wenger pulls his finger out before deadline day, within 10 of Arsenal.

We have some great core players - Our defence is superb imo, with Jags, Coleman (seemingly) and Baines all top four players, and Distin a superb defender. Fellaini is a top player, Mirallas has the potential but is too inconsistent, and Barkley is raw, but not there yet. But we have too many average players. I think the business this off season has just depressing enhanced the gap between us and Spurs.

Also, as Paul and Ciarán state, stop talking about 50mil. Imo, the most likely scenario, in terms of Baines or Fellaini or both leaving, is that United will get Fellaini for 25mil, and Baines will remain with us. We will rush through a deal for McCarthy at around the 12mil mark, and perhaps go in for Ince or Moses (which I will not be against). I'd love Ba to come in, or Defoe, but given that we play one striker and have Kone and Jelavic, that will not happen.

Not read the comments, but would the 2 player sacrifice be worth it, if the £50m was spent on a new bullens and 2nd tier on the Park End?

I think if we get to £40m over the weekend we simply have to bite their hand off. We are skint and we Roberto needs to make the side his own, and this is therefore a rare opportunity for the club.

Yes we can protest, and moan and hate Moyes (particularly for the timing - thanks a bunch you dithering twat) but how else do Everton buy a new midfielder to replace Osman, or one for when Gibson is unfit? We sell out best assets, that's what we're famous for.

As long as we can get some quality in then we'll have to accept this.

Jim,

Agree with your assessment of the Spurs/Arsenal midfields (except for Dempsey who is now a Seattle).
I remember about 10 years ago thinking Spurs were very much an "Everton in the south". But those days are long gone and both Spurs and Arsenal are streets ahead in terms of money and squad depth, particularly in midfield.

With regards to our defence we could argue that we have the best two full backs in the country (Coleman might make a few raise their eyebrows) and a world class centre back in Jagielka, but once again there is very little quality back up.

I hate deadline day, I can only see it bringing bad news this year, including a maximum of about £40million in for these two.

Does anyone know what cut Standard Liege will take of the Fellaini deal?

Until Kenshite and his leeches have gone sadly nothing is going to change, I wish I could be more optimistic about the next few days but something tells me Tuesday morning is going to be a realisation that our club needs a new owner very quickly.

I'm fucking sick of seeing this name McCarthy.

On what basis is he the answer to our midfield problems?

No one on here was touting him as a potential acquisistion at the end of last season.

Let's go for proven quality if Fellaini goes rather than yet another player from a relegated team.

Diaraa out for the season at West Ham so he's a non-starter.

Mark Tanton @794

We are not skint. We simply have a Board who will not spend money and who are unwilling to sell the Club at a reasonable price.

We certainly do not have to sell either player, especially considering how little has been spent in two transfer windows this year.

I think the only person that needs to leave the club is Kenwright.

Here is a prediction that will net you a rather large sum if you want to put money on it. What I think will happen over the next few days;

First and foremost we will not sell Baines, I think Fellaini will be leaving but most of us know that already. With the £25 million we will sign McCarthy Barry on loan and either Ince perminantly or Moses on loan. If we are going to buy then 2 central midfielders and cover for Mirrallas is where we will invest. Not the most exciting transfers but we need numbers not names right this minute.

The transfer merrygo round will then move so Rhodes will move to Wigan with them pocketing the difference in transfers and if there is substance in the rumor, Anichebe to Hull.

What this will leave us with is cover over the pitch, Naismith will become our striker cover and Ince/Moses will challenge Kev for the right midfield spot. With Pienaar and Delefeou on the left it will leave us stronger squad wise than we are now.

Here is a point to ponder as well, Wigan are the poorest club in the top two divisions. I remember them giving tickets away to get more fans on board and they struggle to fill their stadium on most days. Taking all this into account, why would Dave Whelen sit on a potential 10-15 million pound player when selling him would benefit the club? That suggests to me we have signed him 2 months ago, pending the Fellaini transfer that our wonderful Chairman told us about with his release clause speech and 'any money from sales'.

Seems quite a few negative comments about us from other fans are starting to appear on Skysports. As they are now reporting "Martinez has enquired about Mccarthy", i've seen a few comments like "why do Everton moan about bids for their players but then bid on others". Well guys, its not quite as simple as that is it.....We have "enquired"....not put a crappy low value bid in for 2 of the best players in the PL

My guess is that United will offer £40m and Everton will accept that. Something like £23m for Fellaini and £17m for Baines. We'll then have at best 2 days to try and get replacements in although knowing BK, we'll be scrabbling around on deadline day making bids for players who've signed elsewhere. Every club will inflate their prices accordingly. People on here saying we'll get 4 or 5 players in are in dreamland because we won't have the time or the money.

One thing is for sure, I can't wait to see the end of this sorry transfer window. It's been endless speculation and Evertonians suggesting possible alternatives like it's a game of Monopoly.

What's Raquelme doing these days?

Enough of the gutless defeatist talk

We sell if we want
We buy if we want
We still have Hibbo
And he scores when he wants !

Wigan cant be that poor Chris we have give them 8 million already this summer which will be over 20 if/when McCarthy arrives who is nothing more than a fetcher and carrier if he replaces Fellaini we will plummet down the league.

I hope I'm proven wrong but this scenario is playing out to how I thought it would with the inevitable conclusion of both Baines and Fellaini being sold at the last minute. An agreement might already be in place for McCarthy as we all know Fellaini is gone, so that should leave at least £10 mill going somewhere else.

The board might have intentions of keeping Baines but if they both go for say £40 mill at the last hour, with no time to spend the money after having a bid of £36 mill three days before the window closes, giving the manager some time to find some real quality replacements, then I would think that it would appear obvious to most that they are not thinking about helping Martinez and strengthening the team but are more interested in recouping a lot of money.

I've said this before but I'll say it one last time and I know some people will think it ridiculous but I think Moyes has deliberately left it so late to conclude this business out of a favour to his old boss. The only thing that will change my mind is if all the money from any player sales is spent on new players in this window. Why else would a manager leave it so late if he has "unlimited transfer funds", no competition from other clubs for the signature of these two players, is aware that both players would like to play for him, and is really close friends with his former chairman who gave him his big break whilst at the same time making him a multi-millionaire?

#Craig 818.

I am no expert on the reansfer market so I could be wrong here. Maybe as it is such short notice the deals are already agreed. All it takes is the domino effect to happen so each club involved can then go ahead and pay for each transfer. For example if wigan want a player they are waiting on McCarthy to go which in turn we are waiting for Fellaini to go. Could even be a bigger picture stemming from the Bale deal where it will start with that. I have just read Martinez saying that they do have a contingency plan so maybe some of the obvious players who have not moved yet are waiting on the deal to happen.

Waling and nashing of teeth or calls for Alamo last stands are understandable, but ultimately pointless.

Are these two facts seriously in dispute?

The team needs freshening. The only way allow Martinez to buy is to sell and these are the players other clubs want. One at least has to and will go, probably Felliani (who is a player I have a massive amount of time for). If both go to Utd, expect 40m plus add ons.

In virtually every PL club, the manager does not control transfer comings and goings, though he may identify targets. The Martinez/Kenwright relationship is in that respect little different. We are now entering the end game. The comings and goings will make or break our season given how far we are falling beyond some of our competitors.

50m is too low.

They can have Osman, though ;-)

Moyes gave him a new contract just before he left. Why doesn't he bid for him? [Answers on a postcard]

Just read that Manure have bid £25million for Herrera from Bilbao. But it was rejected. He has a clause of £30million.

If they get him would that mean they cool off on Fellaini? Or are they trying to scare Bill into thinking they've got other options?

Why cant we just put a bid in for McCarthy and keep Baines and Fellaini?
We got £60m from sky !

Tony, last year we got £40 million from Sky and lost around £20 million before player sales, so the £60 million this year should see us break even.

That's why we still have to sell to buy.

Buttner on his way to Turkey. Would they allow that without back-up being in place. This has all the whiffs of a Baines deal going through.

http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=5096

Just heard from a totally reliable Wigan insider that DW has agreed a deal for McCarthy that will see him move to Everton for 55% of the fee Man U pay for Fellaini. Medical set for Sunday am.

Seems indirectly, OFM is still calling all the shots at Goodison. It's that special relationship,you know!

That's actually plausible, Richard...though I'm sure you've made it up.

55% thats just stupid. If we get £35m we give you nearly £20m

Richard that means if we sell him for 10 quid wigan sell us their boy for £5.50 - never heard of a deal where value is contingent in such a way!

He might be kidding you on.

Well, £50M seems to be a code word for "they're going."

I'd prefer to see Baines go if either does leave.

Tony, its equally as stupid Utd buying Fellaini for 35 million.

It's been talked about McCarthy for 15 million, and Fellaini for 25. That's more than 50%, so Richard's story seems plausible.

Although,taking Richard Reeves claims further...... if we sell Baines and Fellani in a joint deal for £40m we can say that Baines was £39,999 and Fellani was £1 thus meaning that we pay Wigan 55p for McCarthy and only have to give Standard Liege a few pence for the sell- on clause too.

Can't see any truth in Doddy's inside info. That would be on the basis that we are not buying McCarthy but simply giving Wigan half our money we get for Fellaini which is not how football transfers work. Imagine Roma saying we want 30% of your Bale fee for Lamela.

Don't be so bloody daft ! DW is no idiot and will have put a minimum valuation figure in the equation.

And Chris,nearly all sell-on clauses are on a percentage of sale price basis.

My source is one of our companies main contractors and has no reason to wind me up!

So what if only Baines goes to manu? Do we have to buy Wigan's Stephen Crainey for £10M

You have to wonder what the hell Moyes is up to?

Athletic Bilbao have confirmed they have refused a bid of £25m for Herrera, another midfielder.

Is he just going through every midfield in Europe and giving it "I want that one" like Andy off Little Britain?

I don't get what you're trying to prove there Tony #872.

Kevin I'll feel really good if another bid is made for Herrara. Talksport said something about United wanting DeRossi too. Could be a sign we've told them to piss off.

Sky Sources are saying that we are in advanced talks with Manure over the signing of Fellaini. Also says he will be available against Cardiff though Man Utd hope to have a deal done by Monday. If true we need to simply say - "here is the price, stump up or do one". I don't see why we need to negotiate with them. He has three years on his contract so surely we can afford to keep him and wait another year. Lets be honest, Man Utd are the only ones showing interest at the moment so we don't have to sell.

I would still loved to have seen BK openly say we will do no business with them, but I guess he hasn't the balls to do so.

So much of this just leaves an oily taste in the mouth:

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• Greedy grasping well-to-do players with millions in the bank refusing to ask for a transfer so that they can get one last windfall from a club they know is skint.

• A former gaffer who knows full well that EFC are skint using his shady inside/r knowledge (in ways that in other walks-of-life would land you in deep water) to squeeze said club dry.

• Ex-gaffer Beelezub’s crass hypocrisy and volte-face on the moot points of selling at what price and timing and the window.

• Said beloved club yet again in a vulnerable position as the window is starting to shut yet again because of Teary Billy and ginger the difference this time being that Ginger now works elsewhere.

• Dickie Dahling is that Dame Judi Lulu it’s me Billy hugs gobshite chairman will cave in and the combination of this with the late late deal will yet again leave EFC in late summer panic mode as two loanees limp into the club and said slug chairman legs it to the bank to put handsome cheque in greasy palms of a knowing bank boss who pats slimey expectantly smiling lap-dog chairman on head with a cheeky wink.

• You, me, us, all of us put our hands up in the air in pure despair as loanee Anton Ferdinand tells ECHO that he has always looked for our score first and loanee Kanwyne Jones waxes lyrical about Trinidad’s blue connections, and we read that today Spuds have added 21-year-old star Lamela and Chiriches to their bumper summer crop.

• Ho hum as the woodworms dig deeper into the Bullens . . . . . . .

ermj hahahaha discount the 1st bullet

Sam Hoare 693,

No,i didn't.
I told you with great certainty that the bids would come in at well lower than the clause figure after the Clause lapsed.
As was the case.

My Opinion re the Fellaini fee was circa £20 million.

About time the chairman stood up to these arrogant clubs who know they have the finances to bully other clubs.

My belief is they want Fellaini so the fee should be 30mill for him and 25mill for Baines.

As I have said before I don't believe we should sell either of them and let the club look at our situation in January.

Unless we have concrete guarentees in place for replacements if one or both are sold being this late in the transfer window any player we wish to sign their club will charge exorbitant fees and the players requesting out landish wages.

Dont sell especially to MU as are OFM for some reason seems to not want Everton to improve since he left .In some of the statements he has made he is well aware that Everton will suffer by selling this late in the window.

I wish everyone would refrain from using acronyms.

We should add on a extra £10m due to their importance to team & the fact that Moyes and United have cleary tried to unsettle them.

So I count that as £60m.

If they are going to go make sure United pay through their teeth.

As B Kenwright is trying to show that he has some backbone instead of looking at Mcarthy, piss of his buddy at Tottenham and put in a bid for Erikson from Ajax who according to the prees is half the price of Mcarthy and is a better prospect.

I don't believe ttTottenham have signed him yet.

Tell him to fuck off Bill the .....Mancbummin ' Pisstakin' sourtastin' demotivatin' Shitheadsmellin' Dour'talkin' dickwankin' fastforgettin' evertonhatin' Gingerfizzin' Twat.

Maybe Moyes has left it late because nobody else will sign for him.Also does Baines want to move and be a possible bench warmer.

Tell him to fuck off Bill the .....Mancbummin ' Pisstakin' sourtastin' demotivatin' Shitheadsmellin' Dour'talkin' dickwankin' fastforgettin' evertonhatin' Gingerfizzin' Twat.

£50m would be a fair price for the pair, but I can't see united paying that. £40m seems more realistic, and if Martinez gets most of that to spend we at least have a chance of bringing in, for arguments sake, five £8m players (some costing more, some less) - 1 LB, 2 CM, 1 W, 1 S. If this could all be achieved in time we could end up with a stronger squad. My picks would be, depending on price, Siqueira, Honda, McCarthy, Moses (poss. Ince) and Defoe or equivalents. Any chance of this happening in time? Doubtful. I would still prefer at this late stage to keep them both and get one or two mid-fielders in on loan. Its going to be a real nail biter!

Sometimes a post just nails it - and in this case yours does Joe 894 !

"Hullo Bull ? We wann Leytan an Marrofat fae *cough* million, sort it wud yee ?
We dinnae wanna pay tha noo mind
So youz get Millions and Millions of poonds noo and we'll see if the werels richest club can scrape the rest eventually alright ?
Bae the wee, if they both land an that there moon (taegether mind) durin the final av that fancy cup yer new boy won with........aye Wigan we'll gara-fackin-tee some kinda bonus fae yoo yassel Bull, ok ?"

"Bull, dinnae get pokey abit mawney noo !
Ya dinna want wee Jennie in tears tha noo do yee ?
Bull, ma cock yaw gob.......undaestond ?
Here's dithrin divvie bae the way ! He wans tae say a few werds"

£50 million sounds just about right, not a penny less... after all, it's Man Utd and they have plenty of cash. If they're that keen, I really hope kenwright gets maximum amount. Problem is, we need the cash no later than this weekend to go and strengthen as the clock is ticking,

Personally I don't mind Fellaini going for £25 million but don't want to see Baines go, he is far more important to the team. Maybe Barry will come from Man City... but only on loan. I would not pay £6 million for someone his age; the only stumbling block is his wages. I think if I read correctly he is on £125k a week, maybe Man City might pay a bit of these mega wages?

So it's over to Blue Bill, don't settle for any less than £25 million or £50 million plus – otherwise you're in for a load of stick for buckling to the big boys, look at the Shite's stance over Suarez and Spurs over Bale!

Up the Toffees!

He's gonna sell them both for 43 million or right around there. We countered with 50 mil. They offered 36 mil second time around. Buddy-to-buddy bullshit with Moyes and BK - "meet me in the middle". Alas, 43 million for both.

Dipshits.

We'll sign McCarthy for $15 mil. BK pockets the rest. Not enough time before the window closes.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother...

World record fee, and Levy has made Real wait until Spurs have concluded ALL their business before the Bale deal is confirmed.

If that was teary, we'd have got £10m spread over 4 years, and their reserve goalie in a part-ex.

What did we all do to deserve this nutter?

Ste TRaverse@805 Spot on. Why are so many fans eager to accept mediocrity. Barry, Incentive and WIgan rejects should be given a wide berth. Quality with a cutting edge is what is needed. I know the club has dropped it from the badge but doesn't Nil Satis Nisi Optimum mean anything to Evertonians anymore. As I stated on another thread recently - sad days indeed

OBviously I meant Ince.

Just heard on the radio that Bilbao have knocked back a bid for Herrera from Utd. Seems Moyes is incapable of signing anyone, he'll be all out to get Fellaini now.

Seems too many on here have been on the laughing gas since lunchtime. I said days ago that deals for the pair could not be completed until 1 September because of loyalty payments due on that day.McCarthy probably has the same payment clause in his contract.

OFM will know all this so can take it to the wire before making a final final bid !

Kevin the difference being we don't want to or can't re-invest the money n the squad (Again!).

If Baines and Fellaini leave in this window and Ross leaves next year who have we got left that any other team would want?

Where are our stars to attract the new younger fans?

What do our sponsors think about this sell sell sell mentality?

In the past few years we have seen Neville,Lescott, Arteta, Rodwell,Cahill,Yakubu and Yobo leave, obviously some would have left anyway due to age etc but it shows that the squad has been weakened and if the 2 Man U targets leave we are left with no players of any real star quality. Mirallas and Del Boy are prospects and could go either way. The better Ross plays the more likely he will be sold - this is not a recipe for attracting players in the future or indeed attracting new supporters. Add in the fact that many of the better professionals are getting older and will soon need to be replaced, it doesn't bode well for our future prospects.

Moyes is getting desperate. If he cant sign an Athletic Bilbao midfielder, then he's screwed.

I have no doubt that these two will leave us for Man Unt. and will be replaced by their counterparts from Wigan.

OFM and OPM are so limited in their vision that they can see no further than their previous clubs.

I shall be interested to see if Doddy's prediction on the fee for McCarthy measures up.

Who is baines counterpart at wigan, phil?

Jamie - "Sometimes I wonder why I even bother..."

Because you're a Red Sox fan. Inured to pain.

I don't want either sold. Realistically, our owners are going to cash-in on Fella sooner or later. I'm hoping we'll keep him until after the World Cup.

But if he goes now, that's any hope for the Champions League gone and we're officially "re-building", so I won't be shocked they'd cash-in on Baines too. Especially as we haven't seen anything on his new, improved contract. That's what worries me on the Baines front.

And if ONM gets all the funds... could be interesting. Come to think of it, if ONM doesn't get all the transfer funds, it will get REAL interesting.

Fellaini,your 4th choice if I can't signxxxxxxxxxxxxx......your 5th choice if I can't sign yyyyyyuuuuuuuu......your 6th choice if I can't sign zzzzzzzzzxxxx

He is down to 7th choice now that Herrera has knocked Utd back.
Must be a great confidence boost for Fellaini knowing how much faith the Ginger Mingebag has in him

Joe Edwards #892

Tell him to fuck off Bill the .....Mancbummin ' Pisstakin' sourtastin' demotivatin' Shitheadsmellin' Dour'talkin' dickwankin' fastforgettin' evertonhatin' Gingerfizzin' Twat.

Joe

You took the words right out of my mouth......

I haven't a clue,Wayne because I've no interest in relegated clubs like Wigan !

We wont get £25m for Baines, probably £25m for Fellaini.
Should imagine RM will have told Billy boy what he wants the outcome to be, ie who he would prefer to keep, maybe if they both want to go, he might say let them go & get the best possible price, who knows, certainly not us poor old specs!
Of the two I would prefer to keep Fellaini, but I think he's probably gone.
Why didn't we say to Utd, you've got till 9pm Friday (today) to buy either or both (if we want to sell) if we havn't done a deal by then forget it.
This would allow us time to buy replacements.

He also made an enquiry for De Rossi of Roma as well Paul, he is 8th choice. Then he'll panic and sign 32 year old Kaka for £25 million.

Afternoon Mr Walling, I see your Wiganitis has struck again.

Richard 823 - well one answer would be that he wants to make sure that Martinez doesn't do better than him and by leaving it late he inflicts maximum damage on us as a club and gives the new manager little to no time to get new players in.

I see Defoe scored twice in the UEFA Cup last night, Holtby the other scorer. If we could sign both I'd be a happy man.

Patrick (908) – "and Ross leaves next year ..."

Don't you think the kid will stay for at least a couple or three seasons? I agree he'll be sold eventually, but staying at Goodison will guarantee him first team football. I hope his people are giving him good advise. Or am I thinking wishfully?

Jamie #900 - have you been tapping my phone? £43m to the penny, you're bang on.

Which by Doddy's logic, and I for one believe him, means about £13m for McCarthy which is pretty close to their valuation and will have Whelan laughing all the way to the bank.

Woodward, Kenwright, Whelan, all shake hands, hammer falls, done!

And by sleight of hand our remaining £20m miraculously vanishes into, well, thin air.....

After all Roberto, it's not a circus, it's a magic show over here at Goodison Park......

It's like a drunk walking around the Grafton.

1am....that 25 year old blonde model over there looks the part...bastard got the knock back there.

1.15 am.....what about that 30 year old a little bit past it but still looks well worth it...got right fucked off there

1.30 am there's one at the bar,little bit of a cockys hut but she will do...bums rush

2am ( panicking) look at the kipper on her! Worth a go though...get to fuck you drunken c**t

2. 10... Fuck it I will take the fat one. Better than going home alone

Baines and Fellaini in the squad for Cardiff!

Paul #931 - 'Better than going home alone'. Beautiful.

Ross,
I think some ones bet PW that he cant put Wigan in every post, little did he know!

Used to be a gold card member of the grafton.

If it is true that Manchester United offered £25 million for Ander Herrera then it makes an even bigger mockery of the £28 million opening bid for Fellaini and Baines.

Ander Herrera is a very good footballer, but he has made less impact than Fellaini in world football, is only a year or so younger than MF, is yet to win a full international cap (admittedly he is Spanish so it's hardly a wide open door), and is somebody that is completely unproven in terms of the Premier league. He should essentially be valued at less than Fellaini (on his own). And yet supposdely Herrera is worth £25 million as an opening bid, while Fellaini and Baines are valued at £28 million together! It's disgusting. It's completely beyond the pale. And as far as I'm concerned, if that Herrera bid checks out to be true, then I can I only assume that our financial state - which Moyes is obviously privvy to - is very dire indeed. We're not talking about valuations based on the player(s), we're talking about valuation based on the financial plight of the player's club. It's low-balling, and I hope BK finds some spine from somewhere - even if the offer creeps up towards something that he deems "acceptable."

Andrew - I agree about the difference in fees but the MAIN reason for this is the release clause in Fellaini's contract for £23.5 million. At the time Moyes wanted £30 million but we had let his contract run down and it only had a year left on it. It was also at the time of complete financial meltdown. Basically I think Fellaini did us a favour signing a new deal, lots of players would have let the final year run down and walked away.
So the problem that we have is expecting anything too high above his release clause as that would apparently kick in again in January (according to reports in the Guardian). Basically in the current situation I think we should try and hold out for £30 million but its a tricky situation with that release clause being in the contract. Baines however is another issue all together and we should tell Moyes to go forth and multiply on that one. The way that Moyes and Man United have handled this has been amateurish to say the least. They could have had Fellaini for less than they have now bid over a month ago and gone about this properly. The fact that they haven't puts Moyes down in my eyes as worse than Mark Hughes!

£50m sounds about right but under two conditions; 1) it's paid up front and not in installments and 2) Martinez is given all of it to buy HIS players and build HIS squad.

Just got into this thread. Agree we should take £50m as long as it is reinvested (see Spurs re Bale and look at the squad they have now!).

By the way What does Moyes not understand in RM's statement that he does not want another submission of a combined bid? Can the people at MU not read?

They don't need to Terry, not while money talks.

OFM is making a fool of himself. Why doesn't he just go for Gareth Barry and tell pip to suit up again? I'm loving it watching him squirm and being turned down by every Tom, dick and Harry.

Colin, that is one saving grace. He certainly isn't standing out as a man of competence, integrity and honour

Colin @ 951.

There is not a club in the world, no matter how wealthy they may be, that pays this sort of money up front.

Colin @ 951.
There is not a club in the world no matter how wealthy they may be that pays this sort of money up front.

Paul (931)

There has never been a 25 year old blonde model in the Grafton at any time of the night! I've been fooled into thinking it but once the war paint came off!! Fuck me I thought I'd threw up on me pillow!! Shoulda gone home with Mrs Palmer and her five sisters!

Lets hope Ginger minge is left to pleasure himself come Tuesday morning! Judas twat that he is!

What a frightining scenerio R.Martinez saying I am leaving it all up to B.Kenwright.

Next week after the dust dies down he will suddenly find out he has lost one or two of his best players and an apology note from Bill saying I tried my best but it was just too late to bring in replacements.

Colin,

They all looked like models to me at 2am

John Crawley (#922). That's just an extra bonus for Moyes.

Didn't mean extra bonus as in handout of cash.

Just like to expand on a letter to Martinez from Kenwright on tuesday next week

Roberto I regret to inform you that despite our conversation
I had to sell Baines and Fellaini to Manchester Utd.

Due to the time frame left in the window despite my 24/7 (pardon me while I laugh) negotiational skills I was unable to find suitable replacements.

On the positive side of things the money we recieved after the creditors recieve a portion you will have funds available in the January window for players of, at least 5-6mill.

On another matter. My friends at Manchester Utd are showing an Interest on young Barkley and reccomend you play him often to improve his skills but rest him in December in case they want him in January

I would like to take this opportunity to thank you for getting into the Everton way as suggested by David.

Yours Sincerly (bla bla bla bla bla bla) Bill.

Paul Andrews, I detect a wobble. So remind us, how much is Fellaini going for and when?

A wobble?
That will be your balls dropping Ross

Oliver (965)

Real Madrid paid the full amount for Ronaldo up front to Utd, is was stipulated by Utd as necessary for the deal to be done!

Is our chairman showing some leadership?

We will wait and see!

Our manager has just gone from a club that kept selling their best players. Everton are meant to be a step up for him.

Welcome to our world Roberto, from all everton fans!

Paul, stop thinking of my balls and answer the question.

Ian,

Frying pan into the fire spring to mind!

These posts are very depressing. Everyone, including the players, getting very rich, while we, the fans, do all the worrying.

Ross

If Fellaini is sold for the actual release clause amount or a larger amount, then Paul Andrews should have the balls to admit he was wrong all along. He should also apologise for boring the tits off us all for weeks with this Fellaini release clause nonsense.

£18-20 million was the price Paul constantly quoted Fellaini would be sold for

So the consensus now seems to be if both players go only McCarthy is lined up to come in (with Oviedo stepping into Baines 'shoes')? Are people happy with that ('cause I certainly am not)? Not seen anything yet to suggest that Bryan is good enough and the squad would definitely be weakened overall.

Having said we don't need to sell, I would hope that any sale (of either or both players) would coincide with, at least, an equal number of quality replacements.

I would want £30M for either of them for this late timeframe in the transfer window. £25M can't get you anything by September 2nd.

Ross,

I said around £18- 20 million.
Just an opinion.

Mark,
Pay attention.
You have a little titty lip because my point re the "Fellaini nonsense" was that clubs would bid lower than the clause fee after it lapsed.
As was the case
You maintained they would not bid lower.
So fuck you very much,and thank you for your time

Never before in the history of mankind has there been so much talk about a figure upon which one club can buy another club's player.

It really isn't that difficult.

If we sell Fellaini then I would hope that we can get Hernandez as part of the deal. A top class centre forward who will bag lots of goals for us. That would be a deal worth doing at this late stage. Baines I would keep, for what we are going to get he's of more value to us if he stays for the next 4-5 years.

There was something posted on Facebook last night, probably a blag but it was supposed to be Fellaini' s agent twatter screen saying the deal has been done for £25m and Cardiff will be his last game for us.

John #103 - how about when all's said and done Hernandez and McCarthy for Fellaini? I think I'd take that.

Paul Andrews, 885. I hope you can see why this post is self-contradictory.

Tony, 109. That sounds pretty likely to me. Will be surprised if he's still here next week.

Oh dear, Paul, sounds like someone has sand in their vagina this morning.

Paul's little guess of £18 - £20M obviously mattered an awful lot to him as I recall he attempted to canvass the entire ToffeeWeb community in a bid to seperate those who predicted under £20M from those who thought over £20M.

The price is irrelevant, however. Paul's core argument was that clubs were waiting for the release clause to expire so they 'could get their man cheaper'.

Has that been the case, really?

Bids have come in after the clause expired, but not BECAUSE the clause expired.

Man Utd, as admitted by Paul earlier in this thread, had a list of transfer targets and Fellaini was not number one. The timing of the bid is purely reflective of Man Utd's failure to attract other more desirable transfer targets.

Phillipa,

Ask your mam to put some natural yoghurt on it for you,that should get rid of the sand

I sky bet is going at 1/4 for Fellaini to leave Everton for Man United.... it don't look good for us and I'm sure Baines will follow.

I think we all know what's going to happen on deadline day, I know myself I try to think it won't happen. It's happening all the time though, we don't have the money to stop it from happening.

1. A bid will come in for either one or both which is below the value but close to the value.
2. Bill Kenwright will accept the bid and it will go to the bank and maybe Bill's account too.
3. We will make a loan signing or maybe 2 loan signing to cover the players we have lost. The loan signing will be squad players and of less quality.
4. No permanent transfers as they'll be no time to buy any replacements, just what Bill K likes.

There you go, we all know its going to happen so lets just sit back and watch it happen again. That's were our club is at the moment.

question : How many players have we sold on transfer deadline day in the last 10 years? I don't know the answer but I'm sure all our good players have gone on this day.

A NOTE FOR BILL : Surprise us Bill, show some balls and reject any offer that comes in, be a true blue, a true fan.... (there's me dreaming again)
IF you know your history Mr Bill K, our Club wasn't like this in the 80's, times of changed, football is just a business now and I and every other true blue have to learn to accept that our best assets will be sold on deadline day.

Shaun #141 - I cant disagree with you at all and think all we can hope for is that Martinez knows how to play hardball with BK and is also shrewd enough to have his own targets lined up.

Martinez has to approach the deadline totally committed that when he wakes up on Tuesday morning he has a better team than he had on Monday morning, and that's about it.

I'm pretty sure that can be done if the money for Fellaini and / or Baines is good, it just all depends if the right players are actually out there, available and deals can be struck.

Fellaini is amazing on his day, but too inconsistent and temperamental, Baines is the model of consistency but probably plays in a position where we could get a perfectly good replacement for half the money and use the rest where the money could be better spent.

So, if they go, they go, but they should only be allowed to go if we are certain we are going to improve the club as a result.

If Martinez has no say on transfers this means players like Heinga,Osman and Naismith will be at the club for a long time.

John Crawley (#101), I couldn't see it happening but agree Hernandez is top quality and would be more than happy if he was part of the deal. As Mike Green says, I too would take Hernandez and McCarthy but there are others I would be happy with from the Fellaini money like..........

McCarthy and McManaman
McCarthy and Marrone
McCarthy and Hughes.
Sorry about all the McCarthy's there, I'm not obsessed... I just think it is nailed down and I do rate the lad. I know McManaman is another player who is not very popular amongst Evertonians but I think he is quality.

Moyes: Hi Bill can we have Fellaini and Baines for a combined £50m?

Bill: To be paid how?

Moyes: £35m up front and the rest over 3 years.

Bill: That sounds good because that'll give us a guaranteed income for debt repayments or transfers for a few years and an upfront sum to help Roberto build his team.

Moyes: So we have a deal?

Bill: Yes, but can you wait until 2255 on Monday night?

Mike 118 - yes I agree I would take that and I think overall we would be the better for it.

Big rumors that United are in for De Rossi...if so, Fellaini will be staying with us for another season. That this comes after the Herrera bid suggests Fellaini is off the agenda for the moment. I could honestly see Rossi going as well...Roma are falling away from the top of Italy now, and Rossi is too good for them.

De Rossi is Moyes' Plan F Jim.

A was Thiago, B was Fabregas, C and D are Baines, E is Herrera, now F is De Rossi.

Even that has failed. Roma rejected their enquiry.

You say Roma are falling away, they have bought some decent players. It's the Milan clubs that are falling away. Milan are not even a shadow of what they were, and as for Inter, well.

*C and D are Baines and Fellaini

According to O 'Keefe in the Echo, Kenwright will sell Fellaini if Man Utd pay more than the release clause of 23.5 million, (which means the deal is practically already done), and god knows if Baines will also be sold. Today is his last appearance. Kenwright is acting in the best interests of Man Utd and his bank balance- not Everton. Barry on loan and another relegated Wigan player will come in and Everton will be in the bottom three by December. What happens then ?
Imagine what Liverpool fans would do if they lost their manager and top players to Man Utd in the space of three months.
Everton fans are too acceptable of the crap and lies this chairman continually comes out with. Something is seriously wrong when we're being outspent by Southampton and Swansea and still losing our top players.

Assuming both Fellaini and Baines go, two of the most saleable assets at the club, this then brings down the value of EFC to around 75-80 milion. Surely BK wouldn't be asking for 120 million to any potential buyer?....if ofcourse 'he' states that the club is for sale.

Lord Leighton of Baines — This "Knight Templar" of British Football must not be allowed to fall into the vile and unwashed hands of "The Ginger Necromancer" and "the hordes of chancers"!

Lord Leighton is an exceptionally fine footballer, playing a game both fair and of good spirit!

The "theatre of pot chasers" will never appreciate Lord Leighton as the "Scholars of Science" do within the hallowed halls of "The Grand Old Lady", how could they?

Lord Leighton is a gift of a player, creating chances for team-mates, defending formidably and all without a word uttered... What other club could fully appreciate this genuine diamond?

I feel certain that William Ralph Dean, Joseph Mercer, Thomas Lawton and Sir John Moores would never countenance even the idea that Lord Leighton may be bought.

Destroy the wage structure if needs be, but ensure that Lord Leighton continues to play in The Royal Blue Jersey. He's sheer class – on the pitch, off the pitch, and in every aspect.

Lord Leighton Baines is "nil satis nisi optimum", in thought, word and deed!

A conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories:

Manchester United apologized for their approach with regard to Moyes being the manager selected to replace Sir Alex Ferguson. They, therefore, openly admitted that they were in the wrong thus leaving themselves open to a complaint made by Everton to the FA, and possible punishment.

Why didn't Everton complain to the FA?

Because Man Utd agreed to help out Everton another way. They agreed to give Martinez a good start at the club, and to make Kenwright look like he had a backbone... How? By behaving in a totally opposite way they did by making the apology in the first place.

They make a derisory offer for Baines and Fellaini, which the club resist and thus look like heroes in the eyes of the fans... simples!

Of course, if either Baines or Fellaini goes before the window closes, I'll just increase my medication!

How is your flange Phil?
Grit free one hopes