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Garbutt facing big decision over his future

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With the 2014-15 season now over, one the more pressing matters at Everton is the future of promising left-back Luke Garbutt who is out of contract and the subject of fresh speculation linking him with a move away.

Speaking with representatives from the Everton fan sites at Finch Farm on Friday, manager Roberto Martinez essentially indicated that, having nurtured the player over the last five years and tabled a new deal for him, the club have done all they can from their end and that the ball is very much in Garbutt's court.

Luke Garbutt has been a real successful story because we have set a two-year program," the Catalan said. "He went on loan to Colchester and came back and then we started giving him some games in the cup and then gave him his Premier League debut, and European games. He has played 10 first team games this season. We have offered a good contract.

"The player has the right to decide if playing for Everton is his wish. Maybe he feels he will not get the opportunity with two other internationals in that position, but we will give him the opportunity. We have proved that we have a real conveyor belt of talent and that there are players who are there to take his place if Luke doesn't want that opportunity.

"As a football club we've done everything we should have done. We've acted with class. We've always wanted to keep Luke Garbutt.

Garbutt has run his contract down at Everton before only to re-sign with the Blues after assessing his options but, having established himself at England Under-21 level and shown that he is ready for regular action in the Premier League, he is looking for guaranteed first-team selection.

Everton are apparently keen on locking him down to a new deal and loaning him out to another top-flight side for next season but the feeling appears to be that there is a greater temptation to look elsewhere.

The Liverpool Echo report that both Bournemouth and Swansea City are showing interest in the 21 year-old who many Evertonians feel is the natural successor to Leighton Baines if he can be persuaded to stay.

The uncertainty has prompted Martinez to blood another up-and-coming young player in the form of Brendan Galloway who made his debut at West Ham the weekend before last and then featured in the defeat to Tottenham on Sunday.

The manager was asked if the possibility of losing Garbutt played into the decision to play Galloway in Baines's absence through absence. A little bit," he explained. "Luke needed time to think and make his decision and I didn't think it was right for us if he plays in a game which we needed to win.

"It was a good opportunity for a young man like Brendan Galloway. I think Brendan will play the next 30-40 games as a left back and then can probably move to left side centre half.

Quotes sourced from Roberto Martinez Interview


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Minik Hansen
1 Posted 26/05/2015 at 00:24:28
I wish heÂ’d stay, weÂ’d have pure quality on left side of defence. If he goes to Swansea, we could try to get Jefferson Montero, I rate him. Imagine if we didnÂ’t have Galloway, fortunately he is ready if he is called upon.
Geoff Evans
2 Posted 26/05/2015 at 00:32:40
Top young prospect who sees his future elsewhere; it's a crying shame.
Stephen Karnes
3 Posted 26/05/2015 at 01:18:04
Geoff, he sees it elsewhere because he knows heÂ’ll be, at least for another season, behind Baines. He wants to play every game and you canÂ’t blame him for wanting to go, nor Martinez for being able to convince him to stay.
Jimmy-Ã…ge Sørheim
4 Posted 26/05/2015 at 02:07:28
This contract should have been sorted out during Pre-season. Yes you can blame him, but I blame the stupid stubborn Manager more than anything.

This is just as idiotic as the Gosling saga, but here Garbutt is the new Baines with a perfect crossing ability and pace.

He is a MUST to keep!!

Victor Yu
5 Posted 26/05/2015 at 02:14:18
CanÂ’t blame him if he wants first team action next year. In fact a move to say Norwich or Bournemouth could be the right move for him. If he plays well, another team will buy him in 2016.
Mark Riding
6 Posted 26/05/2015 at 02:14:00
I wish he would come out with "I want to fight with Baines for the starting position!" and sign. Or, "I feel a loan move will get me ready for Everton long term."

If he wants to join a smaller club, then I genuinely wish him all the best. Definitely no hard feelings from myself.

Matt Traynor
7 Posted 26/05/2015 at 02:19:47
GarbuttÂ’s unfortunate in that he feels he needs first-team football to progress, and heÂ’s right. Therefore he either accepts at least another year on loan somewhere, or he looks to move on.

I hope he stays but right now Baines is the better option. Garbutt remains potential, not the finished article. Too many players at his age have been on the verge of great things, only to fade away.

Sad reality but people here are talking as if heÂ’s Roberto Carlos II.

Mark Andersson
8 Posted 26/05/2015 at 02:39:47
For once I have to agree with El Bob. Maybe Luke thinks the new coach and staff are shite and he is not progressing as a player.

After all he was brought in by David Moyes who is a better defensive coach.

Julian Wait
9 Posted 26/05/2015 at 03:06:58
From the little weÂ’ve seen heÂ’s a) good going forwards (on his own), b) takes a very good corner, and is c) perhaps suspect or at best understandably green when defending. The fact that Baines is a better defensive option when thatÂ’s not a particularly strong suit for Baines is perhaps telling.

And if he has weaknesses, you can be sure they will be found in this league. Having said all that, IÂ’d like to see him stay, but if heÂ’s first choice or even first backup, itÂ’s a new weakness when we already have a fair few ...

Conor McCourt
10 Posted 26/05/2015 at 03:18:04
Honestly we have really messed up here and Everton for once in their life should think with ambition and progressively.

If Roberto thinks as I do that Garbutt is going to be better than Baines or at least his worthy successor, then we have two options:

1) Cash in Baines and strengthen more pressing areas;

2) If the above is a definite no-no then we should convince him how much he is valued and offer him a contract worth 㿀,000 a week more than his value and on a par with Stones etc.

My belief is that if he is offered more than anywhere else and is allowed on loan for a year the cost to Everton would be about ٟ million extra this year but getting him to sign will probably save us 㾻 million in 2 years time when Baines is on the decline and Oviedo isn't good enough while Galloway is a centre back and looks it.

We can't afford to let a player of this promise go for a nominal fee and this bullshit coming from Roberto and the club that we have done all we can is hollow. If we really want him to stay, we can make it happen by either of the two above suggestions.

Kelvin Leung
11 Posted 26/05/2015 at 05:32:42
Credit to Martinez for essentially standing firm and not jeopardising the dignity/authority of our club. Garbutt is still a player of potential, rather than a player of achievement; If the management has offered a fair dinkum contract to acknowledge that, then our dealings should make it clear that our club will not be held to ransom. Especially not from a player who is yet to make a tangible contribution to our history. We shouldnÂ’t be bending over backwards to have a kid to play for us.

It has been a long while since MartinezÂ’s words did not reek of BS and stupidity.

Derek Thomas
12 Posted 26/05/2015 at 05:47:07
GarbuttÂ’s options seem to be: 1) sign on with us for 4(?) years and a bit more cash, then be sent out on loan.

Or 2) sign on with someone else for 4(?) years for more cash and still have to move, but with a bigger chance of regular Premier League football.

Gareth Clark
13 Posted 26/05/2015 at 06:06:27
Do what needs to be done Everton! Quality quality youngster!

IÂ’d start Garbutt at LB and move Baines to CDM, just in front of the back 4 (like Philip Lahm).

I think he will thrive at CDM, given his passing/creative ability and due to his age and injury troubles, we can prolong his career, doing a little less work, but a more effective job.

This also helps with our current lack of a quality passer in midfield and guarantees Garbutt a more regular position that he is looking for.

Sam Hoare
14 Posted 26/05/2015 at 06:56:21
Will be amazed if he’s here next season.

We should get 3-4m for him through tribunal hopefully but should think he’ll be worth twice as much by end of next season if he gets a run of games.

Anthony Flack
15 Posted 26/05/2015 at 07:03:40
Why not meet him half way. Decent contract and loan hIm to another club for a season, ie, Bournemouth?
Harold Matthews
16 Posted 26/05/2015 at 07:20:58
Good going forward but very poor defender. So bad for the U21s against Portugal, we had to take him off. IÂ’ll be surprised if he makes it in the Premier League. Galloway is better with his heart, his head, his feet and between the ears. Taxi for Luke.
Gavin Johnson
17 Posted 26/05/2015 at 07:31:50
I wonder if Martinez was thinking of Garbutt when he talked about a lack of values in the modern game in the Echo today - when they asked him about contract rebels like Sterling at the RS.

If we get 4m that will be some consolation and he plays in the position where weÂ’re strongest - hopefully Oviedo will be fit and be able to have run of games next season. So IÂ’m not that arsed if he goes now, as long as it isnÂ’t across the park.

William Cartwright
18 Posted 26/05/2015 at 07:31:05
The real problem here is the failure f the Management (primarily Roberto in charge) to organize and balance the interests of the parties where the following assets are not mutually exclusive or incompatible:-

1. Sensible rotation of players. Garbutt as acknowledged cover for and Oviedo Baines should have played more games as and when both have been injured.

2. Potential for Baines - Lahm style shift could have been followed through on occasion as discussed by Roberto but then not followed through except how well Baines performed against Newcastle... Obviously in keeping with RobertoÂ’s mantra, If it works well donÂ’t repeat it! This would have opened the door to give Garbutt more playing time.

3. More use of Garbutt as a winger / wing back from the subs bench for the last half hour or so in selected games. Opportunity for impact sub to break down stubborn defences with his crossing ability.

4. Would have been good to see a back four of Coleman / Browning, Stones, Galloway, Garbutt, during the run down of games with Jags and Baines as substitutes on rescue standby mode as required.

Lots of creative and forward thinking strategies to show the youngsters, the fans, and the media how progressive the club management is. Anyway, thatÂ’s all history now. Thanks again, Roberto. . . . . . .

Colin Glassar
19 Posted 26/05/2015 at 08:32:17
Good luck, Luke, wherever you end up. It sounds like heÂ’s got two good options, management wise, in Monk and Howe who will help him improve his game.IÂ’ll be sorry to see him go but, as others have said, we are well covered at LB.
Phil Walling
20 Posted 26/05/2015 at 08:29:19
This is one situation I donÂ’t blame Martinez for. He has given the kid his chance and having been impressed, offered him what we can only assume is a decent contract.

But all thing being equal, Baines will rightly retain the LB position and Garbutt will have to continue to feed on scraps as far as appearances are concerned.

HeÂ’s not Everton born and bred and were I him, IÂ’d be looking for better opportunities elsewhere. And good luck to him, I say.

Darren Bailey
21 Posted 26/05/2015 at 08:39:31
Baines is England’s No 1 left back – full stop. Garbutt has to realise that when you have the best in your position in front of you you have to re-evaluate and take a long hard look at where you think your career is better off and in all fairness to him this seem to be what’s happening. We would all do exactly the same thing in our jobs. We don’t know right now what he’s thinking or what his options are. We’ll just have to wait and see.

People have to stop thinking he deserves to play instead of Baines and stop with this nonsense of moving Baines in to the midfield. Why move the best English left back in to a position that he cannot play, isnÂ’t built for and we donÂ’t need him in?

The perfect scenario would be that he signs up and we loan him out to a decent Premier League team where heÂ’ll get playing time for us to evaluate whether heÂ’s a viable option for the future. I have my doubts as to whether Oviedo will ever fully recover from his current spate of injuries but come this time next year weÂ’ll be in a better position to decide on where his future may lay. Baines will also be a year older and then GarbuttÂ’s chances of first team action would improve.

Dave Abrahams
22 Posted 26/05/2015 at 08:56:50
Martinez and Everton have done as much as they can to keep Garbutt here so they can not be blamed if the lad moves on. Equally, Garbutt and his agent are looking to the future and what is best for Garbutt so they canÂ’t be blamed either, so good luck to the lad and I hope he has a good career.
Roger Helm
23 Posted 26/05/2015 at 09:08:34
He is not going to displace Baines for the next year or two, and we have cover in that position, so if he does not want to go out on loan again why not try him in left midfield? He is good running forward, puts in a good cross, is physically strong though not great defensively (surely the number one requirement for a LB?).

With Pienaar in decline perhaps he could do a job for us there.

Jim Bennings
24 Posted 26/05/2015 at 09:09:22
Baines has not been the best this season, heÂ’s been well below par and he knows when fit, Martinez isnÂ’t bold enough to drop him.

HeÂ’s 31 in December, for a fullback that relies on getting up and down the flanks once your energy goes it reduces your powers, thatÂ’s why Chelsea binned Cole when they did.

Let's face it Baines isnÂ’t a great defender, his free-kicks and corners have in the main been dreadful and his end product and final ball has hit the first man too many tines this season.

Garbutt should have stayed and been given more opportunities next season, if Baines does get injured, Galloway is okay but he doesnÂ’t look so comfortable at fullback naturally.

Colin Glassar
25 Posted 26/05/2015 at 09:16:29
Two things to consider, Jim, re Baines:

1) HeÂ’s been playing with a dodgy ankle all season; and

2) Since Pienaar has been out, heÂ’s had no cover down the LW. Martinez has tried Barkley, Ossie, Mirallas, McGeady etc... down the left side to no avail.

If Bainsey has been struggling with his ankle (is this why his delivery has been so poor this season?) then it doesnÂ’t surprise me. Echoes of Ashley Cole? I hope not.

Paul Tran
26 Posted 26/05/2015 at 09:24:17
Baines has been soldiering on with an injury and is a far better defender than Garbutt. The saddest thing about this issue is the way people are using it as a stick to beat Martinez with. Would you drop Baines and Oviedo to accommodate the unproven Garbutt?
Paul Tran
27 Posted 26/05/2015 at 09:24:17
Baines has been soldiering on with an injury and is a far better defender than Garbutt. The saddest thing about this issue is the way people are using it as a stick to beat Martinez with. Would you drop Baines and Oviedo to accommodate the unproven Garbutt?
Tony Abrahams
28 Posted 26/05/2015 at 09:13:43
Mark 8. I doubt it was Moyes who brought Garbutt to Everton. It would have been because of the scouting system at academy level IÂ’m sure.

Sheedy said Moyes never had any time for the younger teams so I donÂ’t think he would have had any impact on the kids development.

Since Martinez came he has spent a year on loan and a year getting intergrated into the first team.

If he goes it will be for the same reason he left Leeds, money. If he really wants to play for Everton, he will sign the contract and go out on loan.

I tend to side with Harold and am not sure this kid is anywhere near good enough defensively.

One thing I do know is that, here is a kid who hasnÂ’t yet made the grade, but once he signs his new contract for whoever, he will certainly have enough money to be made for life. ItÂ’s ridiculous.

Jim Bennings
29 Posted 26/05/2015 at 09:32:05
You would have liked to think though that if Baines has been playing in so much pain and discomfort all year then why has Martinez not given him a even longer break that he needed and given Garbutt the games?

If playing Baines more and more has caused long term damage then itÂ’s rank bad management.

I donÂ’t know whether Baines will get back to where he was under Moyes between in that spell of outstanding football he was playing between 2009-2013 but I know for sure a big attraction of having Baines in the team was that he was a dead-ball specialist, now heÂ’s been bullied off them and the fact he no longer has Pienaar (a young fit Pienaar) in front of him and even the physical power and athleticism of Sylvain Distin to cover him, you do question if you are ever going to see the "old" Leighton Baines again anyway.

Liam Reilly
30 Posted 26/05/2015 at 09:32:09
HeÂ’s not going to displace Baines and nor should he. HeÂ’s been sold dollar signs by his agent; no doubt bigging up his qualities.

RM and Everton are doing right here; they canÂ’t throw money at potential or itÂ’ll be the beginning of the of the club.

Hope he stays. If heÂ’s any sense he should sign on and take 6 months at a Premier League or strong Championship club and see where we are then.

Ray Roche
32 Posted 26/05/2015 at 10:30:50
Paul Tran @27

Paul, ItÂ’s not necessarily people using this as a stick with which to beat Martinez, itÂ’s more a case that if we can see that Baines is either struggling with form or fitness and has had no cover in front of him all season why canÂ’t Martinez?

As Collin says at @25, Martinez has predictably tried to hammer the square pegs of Osman, Barkley, etc. into the round hole of LM when he could have tried Garbutt as PienaarÂ’s replacement which would have given him more game time and experience, and possibly solved the LM problem at the same time.It may also have brought the best out of Baines.

If you recall, Coleman was a revelation when he was given a run playing wide right ahead of Hibbert a few seasons back and that has worked out well hasnÂ’t it?

IÂ’m afraid that Martinez comes over as stubborn and intransigent and will stick to his "philosophy" regardless of the effect it has on our club.

Paul Tran
33 Posted 26/05/2015 at 10:48:04
Ray, is this the same Martinez that is getting rightly hammered by all and sundry for playing players out of position? IÂ’d have given Garbutt a try there myself, but I suspect had he done so, Martinez would have been accused of Â’ruiningÂ’ another young player.

One option that would interest me, once Baines is fit enough, is to try him in midfield and slot Garbutt at left back. I suspect Baines wasnÂ’t fit enough this season for this, though MartinezÂ’s inate caution makes me wonder!

The central point to this thread is, surely, would you drop/shuffle Baines and Oviedo to accommodate a promising young player? ThereÂ’s too many people dodging that question and taking an easy shot at the manager.

Eddie Dunn
34 Posted 26/05/2015 at 10:52:46
This situation is unfortunate, but that is all. Baines was carrying an injury all year, and Oviedo was hardly available, so what could Roberto do? BainesÂ’s operation means a long time out, so now was really the only time to do it.

I donÂ’t blame anyone. Martinez has given him 10 games, and an offer is on the table. If the boy wants more football, then he should seek a new employer, why not?

Next season, with Baines fit, Oviedo fit and Galloway a handy stand-in, you can see the boyÂ’s problem.

Denis Richardson
35 Posted 26/05/2015 at 10:59:48
Martinez trying to say the club did everything possible... sorry but I have to disagree. The blindingly obvious is always ignored when he speaks about Garbutt. The club should have offered him a new contract a long time ago instead of waiting until he was into his last year.

The amount they would have needed to offer him around 18 months ago would have been a lot less than what they need to offer him now and he would have probably signed. The club let the situation drift far too long and obviously the player now has the power and will go somewhere he can play regularly.

Yes –, 18 months ago you couldn’t predict how he’d do at this level but he was already sitting on the bench regularly and had a decent loan spell and was a very good prospect. The club should have tied him down for at least another 1-2 years so there wouldn’t be a risk of him going on a free – which will now likely be the case.

Garbutt has the potential to be a solid top division LB and could be the England LB in years to come. If he leaves for a tribunal fee, it will a massive cock-up.

Denis Richardson
36 Posted 26/05/2015 at 11:07:44
Just read through the posts and a lot of people go on about him being potential and not achievement at this stage. I have to ask exactly how much achievement do you expect a 21-year-old defender to have gotten so far in his career? He will only develop if he gets games.

I agree 100% with Conor (#10) – IF the club are thinking long term they probably need to cash in on Baines now. Letting Garbutt go for fuck all and keeping Baines means we’ll need to invest (heavily) in a new LB in about 2 years’ time.

Baines will be 31 in December so has has 2 maybe 3 seasons left (and he will become worse with each passing year). He may be better than Garbutt now but at some point you have to change the guard and look to the future. Personally I think Garbutt could be just as good, if not better, than Baines in years to come.

Amit Vithlani
37 Posted 26/05/2015 at 11:21:34
Garbutt will be a very good player and a loss if he goes but sometimes, as a club, you end up being blessed in a particular department with a number of good players. Chelsea for example must be dreading Petr Cech joining a rival club but there is little they can do other than to extract a fair price.

We will be entitled to compo of about ١-4M and I think even if he had signed a new contract he would have left. We would have cashed in for a greater amount, and that perhaps is the loss.

That said, I think we will be fine. I believe Oviedo is the natural successor to Baines and Martinez playing Galloway at LB was a clear signal from him that we have depth in that department.

Garbutt may end up displacing Baines in the England line-up someday but given that he probably wants to be first choice next season, I canÂ’t see how we can accommodate him. Playing Baines in midfield still leaves Oviedo on the bench if Garbutt became a first teamer. I would rather we kept Oviedo happy.

Drew Shortis
38 Posted 26/05/2015 at 11:30:35
Leaving Everton could be a huge mistake for Luke. HeÂ’s at a club with a solid track record for developing young players and has had opportunities already to play in the first team.

Baines is coming towards the latter stages of his career and Oviedo, unfortunately, seems to be injured more often than not. This means Luke will get the opportunity to play, even if he is not first pick.

Will a season of struggling against relegation with Bournemouth do his career prospects any good? I doubt he would be automatic first choice at Swansea so moving there seems a bit pointless.

A bit of patience is what this lad needs. Sign a lucrative deal, work hard in training and grab your opportunities with both hands when they come along!

Douglas McClenaghan
39 Posted 26/05/2015 at 11:43:29
YouÂ’re right, Drew. It seems as though he made up his mind to leave some time ago.
Colin Malone
40 Posted 26/05/2015 at 12:04:02
Moral-boosting words from Roberto... Not.

Sign a contract, Luke, and go out on loan to Swansea or Bournemouth, with the proviso that you can come back due to injuries.

Steve Carse
41 Posted 26/05/2015 at 12:10:15
IÂ’d like to know the evidence on which posters are saying Garbutt is a great talent. HeÂ’s featured a dozen or so times and has hardly set the world alight.

Sure he looks assured. And he looks to have a decent left foot (but then every left footed player somehow looks like heÂ’s got a cultured left foot). But really, to jump from that to Â’letÂ’s sell BainesÂ’ is crazy.

Paul Andrews
42 Posted 26/05/2015 at 12:23:34
Steve Carse,

Great point. Garbutt is potentially a decent full back, as you say, a good left foot delivery, but still a lot to learn defensively, as most young players do.

In my opinion, it is another stick to beat the manager with. Surely the chief exec and board do the negotiation over contracts and wages?

John Daley
43 Posted 26/05/2015 at 12:23:00
Denis @ 35,

The Â’blindingly obviousÂ’ was for the club to offer him the new contract 18 months ago?

He only signed his current contract just under two years ago. The club should have extended his deal and offered him better terms a mere six months into a two-year deal, when he hadnÂ’t really shown anything at that stage to warrant them doing so?

Ray Roche
44 Posted 26/05/2015 at 12:26:23
Paul@33.

I think that the difference in Garbutt playing wide left is that he is a left sided player and, in the absence of a FIT left-sided player, he should have been given a try in front of Baines, not instead of Baines.

As for Oviedo, this would be the same lad who has been injured for almost all of the season and who has played precisely 6 more league games than Garbutt and 11 in all competitions. Hardly a regular himself, is he?

I should say that I am a fan of Oviedo and saw him as a natural successor to Pienaar, but his injury record is, sadly, a cause for concern if we are thinking long term.

The REAL problem with Martinez is his failure to provide an adequate solution to the absence of Pienaar – something that has left Baines looking like a very average left back. Barkley was poor playing there and I personally think that that helped to shaft his confidence, Osman, probably our most cerebrally gifted player, has not got the pace to play out wide and in any case his guile is needed in the middle of the park.

Even Naismith was played there and Naismith is no more a winger than my cat. Although he’s pretty good at catching balls. (My cat – not Naismith.)

Michael O'Neil
45 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:06:28
I don't think it's gonna be that big a decision for the lad. I reckon he's deffo out of here. Bainesy's No 1 choice but let's be honest but he's been poor this season - terrible corners/crosses, out of sorts defensively and hasn't gone forward like he used to. When Garbutt's been given his chance he's looked to be a decent replacement. Personally, I don't think he looks as good at going forward than Bainesy but looks better defensively and his corners have been miles better than anything from Baines all season.

Ignoring the Baines / Garbutt / no cover in LM / Bainesy soldiering on stuff however, what I can't understand though is, when Baines was finally out injured... Galloway??? That has nowt to do with Baines, does it?

I reckon it boils down to money. We paid Leeds 𧼐k in compensation when we got Garbutt. That could have gone up to ٟ.5M depending upon appearances (no idea how many). If he gets a full England call-up, it's another 𧶀k. Oh, and Leeds get 20% if we sell him on.

I wouldn't really like to see him go as I think he's a talent and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if he goes but I wouldn't blame him if he did.

Denis Richardson
46 Posted 26/05/2015 at 12:59:26
John 43, if you want to take the 18 months literally then fine. The main gist of my post was that the club left it too late to offer him a new deal –they could have done it last summer for instance. McCarthy was offered a new deal just one year into a 4-year contract and our manager the same. Nevermind why they only gave Garbutt a 2-year deal in the first place – he can’t have been on that high a weekly wage so cost should not have been an issue.

Either way, they left it too late and Garbutt is doing exactly what any of us would do now – wait and see what offers he gets over the summer and take the best one.

If I were him, I would certainly prefer to play regularly than sit on our bench, even if it were for a struggling side. However, I think someone better than Bournemouth will pick him up.

Best scenario would be for him to sign and be loaned out but given heÂ’ll go for a relatively low fee, IÂ’m assuming heÂ’ll get a better offer somewhere else.

This situation should never have been allowed to arise in the first place.

Denis Richardson
47 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:10:52
Ray 44 - you forgot about Eto'o playing AML as well!
Jim Jennings
49 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:13:03
"I think that the difference in Garbutt playing wide left is that he is a left sided player and, in the absence of a FIT left-sided player, he should have been given a try in front of Baines, not instead of Baines."

Extending that logic, youÂ’d be okay with Hibbert being played right-mid in front of Coleman when McGeady and Mirallas are unfit?

Paul Tran
50 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:16:06
Ray, I agree with you re playing Garbutt further up the park. Has to be worth a go, especially as I think heÂ’s better going forward than defending.

Your point about replacing Pienaar is another good one. A combination of our budget and MartinezÂ’s trusting to luck regarding ageing, injury prone players is the problem here. He keeps trying players who canÂ’t cut it, which exposes Baines. We need someone there yesterday.

Ray Roche
51 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:21:49
Denis, itÂ’s an age thing...
John Malone
52 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:13:42
Sad to say, the new generation of players don’t see Everton as the great club we do. Our history has not been built upon. If it wasn’t for our recent history of good league, finishes under Moyes, we’re just another big has-been – like Leeds or Forest.

The board and the manager need to get with the times, sort the squad and the form out, and get a new stadium asap; then other young prospects wonÂ’t hesitate to sign for a club moving in the right direction!

Paul Mackie
53 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:18:06
If I were Garbutt, IÂ’d sign. Baines has probably one more season at LB before age catches up with him. The sensible thing for all parties would be for Garbutt to sign a long deal with us, go out on loan for a year to a PL club, and then be first choice LB for us the year after. Everyone wins.

No doubt GarbuttÂ’s agent will be advising him to go wherever the money is, though.

Geoffrey Risebrow
54 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:28:59
Luke looks like a terrific prospect and I am desperate for us to keep him! Players with pace, who can deliver a cross as well as Luke can need to be retained! With our lack of resources, it is so important to bring young players through.

Leighton is a magnificent left-back but he is 31 and he will need replacing in the next few years. Oviedo Baby may never be the same player again after his awful injury but I hope I am wrong with that because he was sensational when he stepped in for Leighton in 2013-14.

John Daley
55 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:58:11
Denis,

You were the one who specified Â’around 18 months to goÂ’ as being an appropriate point in the timeline to put another new contract in front of him. I just ran with it.

As for McCarthy? YouÂ’re mistaken. He wasnÂ’t offered a new contract after one year at the club and still hasnÂ’t been offered one (to my knowledge). Anyway, even if we pretend he had and it was indeed offered one year into his current contract, that doesnÂ’t mean Garbutt would deserve to be treated the same way.

The comparison isnÂ’t exactly apt. You couldnÂ’t compare the situation of a guy who was (in a lot of peopleÂ’s eyes) our Player of the Season with a guy who hadnÂ’t made a single first team start at that point in time.

Denis Richardson
56 Posted 26/05/2015 at 14:02:08
John, to put this to rest. In my opinion, the situation should never have come to this in the first place. The club should and could have sorted out another contract with him a long time ago.

Re McCarthy, seems I was wrong. I remember reading last year the club was going to offer him a new deal but doing a bit of research it seems that it never happened. (In fact the papers say heÂ’s angry about it and Spurs will make an offer if they donÂ’t get Schneiderlin in the summer.)

Conor McCourt
57 Posted 26/05/2015 at 13:21:47
Amit, there is a big difference between Chelsea's and Everton's situation.

Firstly, Cech is coming to the end of his career... so, while he will be a loss to Chelsea as they won't get a No 2 as good as him, it won't really affect them. Garbutt is only beginning his career and will get better with each game. If you compare him to Baines at the same age, Garbutt is much better.

Secondly, if the same situation happened to Chelsea, it would be of no real concern to them. However, we cannot afford to lose the best young left back in England. Shaw went for 㿊 million and I believe that this guy will be worth the same with a year or two of football under his belt.

We have a really weak squad and our manager will take about 3 years to fix the problems (no decent goalkeeper, one rightback, one decent winger who wants to be a No 10, no decent No 10, one decent centre-forward, two centrebacks only, no fit creative central midfielder...) due to our finances.

Also, Gallloway may do a job short term but he is never a left back and anyone who thinks Oviedo is better than Garbutt is clearly smoking the funny stuff. He has done really well and is a very solid option but is of not the same quality as Baines or Garbutt.

Paul Tran – I am a big defender of Roberto but I believe he and the club have done nothing to keep this guy... ie, "Here is a contract; sign it or fuck off." He didn't even play him the last two games, which is what the player craves.

The same people with the laissez-faire attitude now will be the same ones shouting their mouths off in a few years if this guy walks for a couple of million.

Paul Tran
58 Posted 26/05/2015 at 14:31:10
Conor, itÂ’s not about a laissez faire attitude. HeÂ’s been offered a contract and has so far chosen not to sign it. He wants first team football, we have two better, more experienced players in his position.

Martinez has two choices, tell Garbutt heÂ’s first choice, pick him accordingly and tell Baines/Oviedo theyÂ’re second/third choice, or tell him the score and suggest his time will come in the next two years. Would you drop sell Baines/Oviedo to accommodate Garbutt?

If you were running a business on a tight budget, would you spend significant money in an area where you were already strongly resourced?

John Daley
59 Posted 26/05/2015 at 14:28:46
Fair enough Denis. IÂ’m personally of the opinion that the player and his representatives made the decision some time ago to sit on things and see what other suitors crawled out the woodwork.

"...anyone who thinks Oviedo is better than Luke is clearly smoking the funny stuff"

In that case I must be stripped to my pants, manhandling my own nipples and doing that mental martial arts dance Martin Sheen did in front of the mirror in Â’Apocalypse NowÂ’, because (fitness permitting) IÂ’d currently take Oviedo over Garbutt any day of the week. As Harold rightly pointed out earlier, GarbuttÂ’s actual defensive play is quite poor when put under any concerted pressure. Sure, that could certainly improve in time, he has a decent left foot and can take a sweet set-piece on occasion, but I donÂ’t see how that puts him streets ahead of a full international who has performed admirably every time heÂ’s taken to the pitch for us, scored a couple of important goals to boot, and showed tremendous heart to fight back from horrendous bad luck on the injury front.

Ray Roche
60 Posted 26/05/2015 at 14:48:13
LetÂ’s just get the Oviedo business in some sort of perspective, Oviedo is not fit and there are no guarantees that he will be anything like the player he was before his terrible injury. At this precise moment you would have to take Garbutt over Oviedo, at least until Oviedo can prove that he is and will remain the player he was.

Whatever the situation, I think itÂ’s piss poor management by whoever should be dealing with these contracts that Garbutt wasnÂ’t tied down when he was younger and showing potential. It didnÂ’t have to be some ridiculous 㿞k a week deal, just a better offer than he was on, enough to keep him sweet till weÂ’d made our minds up about him. The plaudits heÂ’s received in the press and the under 21 squad show that other people are impressed even if EFC arenÂ’t.

Mark Pierpoint
61 Posted 26/05/2015 at 14:52:37
You must have been watching a different player to me Connor. Shaw was a first team regular at GarbuttÂ’s age. He had also been earmarked as a top top player for many years as a teenager- see mike calvinÂ’s book Â’the nowhere menÂ’ Garbutt has been decent when called upon but I have seen nothing to suggest he has the potential to (1) be better than shaw (2) be an England regular (3) go for thirty million quid. He has potential but he is no shaw or john stones. He will carve out a good career but if he thinks a gig at Bournemouth in a relegation scrap is better than either being at Everton or on loan then he is mad.
Darren Hind
62 Posted 26/05/2015 at 14:39:23
Paul T

What are you talking about ? "The saddest thing about this issue is the way people are using it as a stick to beat Martinez with " . .EH ? . . Where ? The only person who seems to be pointing the finger at Martinez is Jimmy# 4.

You really do need to stop checking under the bed for Bogie men. . . . You must know by now they aint gonna be there . . theyÂ’re hiding in your wardrobe

Jay Harris
63 Posted 26/05/2015 at 15:05:35
Luke Shaw was going places until he let slip that the manager had not prepared the team for a certain game.

Then he joined Distin and Eto at the exit door.

If this arrogant, obstinate Relegation Manager is allowed to continue at EFC it is an absolute disgrace.

Even putting personalities to one side why didnt we offer the kid an improved contract and a career plan a long time ago.

Also agree with other posters that given the problems we have had all season with left side of MF the best option would have been give Baines/Garbutt a try.

Jim Hardin
64 Posted 26/05/2015 at 12:17:37
Jim #24, Baines dreadful? Baines had 8 assists this season which I think was first for defensive players and one behind Hazard, etc. How is he dreadful? I donÂ’t think it was as much his performance that has dropped off of the table as him having to hold back on defense and not really having the link-up player ahead of him. Yes, the ankle certainly had an effect but name another healthy left or right back that had more assists?

Garbutt shows potential but currently is defensively a weak link and doesnÂ’t do some of the basic positional techniques that a 15 year old, much less a 21 year old should know. He could be a much better mid if his foot skills can match his pace and his passing.

Steve Brown
65 Posted 26/05/2015 at 16:17:43
There is no foundation or evidence that Garbutt enhances the quality of our team over Baines or Oviedo, plus Galloway has proven he has the capability to cover this spot. Which were the games this season where he justified the dozens of posts lamenting his potential departure? He has looked decent going forward and very average in defence.

If he leaves a bigger club like us for Bournemouth or Swansea then he is a fool. My guess is he thought that he would have the top 5 clubs queuing up for him because he is an U21 player. Problem is they would watch his performances and conclude he is not good enough and not ready. Stay - Go - Stay... who cares.

Paul Tran
66 Posted 26/05/2015 at 16:32:25
Not interested in bogey men, Darren and my wardrobeÂ’s for clothes.

I just want to stick to the real issue - young promising footballer third in line in his position looks at his options.
Do we accommodate him and ditch Baines and Oviedo to rebuild, or do we tell him to go and do one if he doesnÂ’t want to wait his turn behind EnglandÂ’s left back.

ThatÂ’s what I want to talk about, but whenever I go on this thread thereÂ’s new references towards MartinezÂ’s assumed Â’philosophyÂ’, his Â’intransigenceÂ’, Â’arroganceÂ’ and Â’stubbornnessÂ’.

No problem with anyone criticising Martinez, I enjoy it myself, but Garbutt ainÂ’t Roberto Carlos, heÂ’s been offered a contract, heÂ’s choosing not to sign it and good luck to the lad if he goes. IÂ’m not convinced that footballers with agents pay attention to any Â’career planÂ’ other than the one their agent gives them.

Would you drop Baines and Oviedo to accommodate him, or give Martinez special dispensation to play yet another player out of position?

Mark Pierpoint
67 Posted 26/05/2015 at 16:58:51
Simply, if Garbutt was that exciting, better teams would be capitalising on EvertonÂ’s error to give him first-team football than Swansea and Bournemouth. Especially for a figure of ١M (letÂ’s say) and the fact he would add to English quotas. They are not though.

I may be proved wrong about him and I do think he is decent but not someone to treat as a special case.

Tom Bowers
68 Posted 26/05/2015 at 16:59:44
Hard for Garbutt to know what to do.

He knows he has the talent to be a regular left back in the Premier League. But he is young and impatient, knowing the current England left back is ahead of him with others like Galloway and Oviedo challenging.

His agent is probably filling his ear with money enticements to be had by moving and, like Sterling, will feel he is better than he really is.

If he is disgruntled then let him go.

Paul Tran
69 Posted 26/05/2015 at 17:05:47
IÂ’d wager that, if Martinez was sacked tomorrow and a new man was brought in, heÂ’d have a very large in-tray of issues to resolve and this one would be near the bottom of it. And very few on here would bat an eyelid at his choice of priorities.
Ray Roche
70 Posted 26/05/2015 at 17:04:29
Paul@66,

"special dispensation to play yet another player out of position?" If by that you mean Garbutt slotting in wide left, Garbutt is already an "overlapping fullback" (as they used to be known!) so playing him slightly further forward and helping Baines to continue being the best LB in the Prem is, to my mind, sensible, good management. Shoving Barkley or Osman or Naismith out there is laughable.

As for ditching Oviedo, as I said earlier, Oviedo is not fit enough to be ditched just yet, and there is no guarantee that Baines will even be fit for the next season.

As for Martinez "philosophy", itÂ’s Martinez who likes that expression, not us.

Paul Tran
71 Posted 26/05/2015 at 17:11:45
I agree with you, Ray, IÂ’d give him a go there, its just that I missed all the clamour for it through the season. I donÂ’t recall it being mentioned until the non-signing issue kicked off.

I donÂ’t know whatÂ’s gone on behind the scenes between Martinez and Garbutt, so IÂ’m not getting into the convenient assumptions. What will be interesting is what he says if he goes. If heÂ’s got the bottle to tell us about the lack of preparation while heÂ’s with us, whatÂ’s he going to say once heÂ’s gone?

Pete Edwards
72 Posted 26/05/2015 at 16:59:54
Still staggered at all the comments on here making him out to be some kind of footballing saviour!! Let's look at the facts:

1) He is behind two (yes, 2) established international left backs;
2) He has been offered a contract probably for more per week than most of us earn in a year, so why the snipes at Martinez.... oh yeh, I know!
3) He is very suspect defensively.

Talk of moving Baines, a specialist left back, into the central defensive midfield position is ludicrous to me. Baines is still the most creative force from left back. Yes, Garbutt puts a decent ball in but has miles to go before getting anywhere near the assists of Baines.

Okay, I understand he needs games to get the experience and to improve defensively but everything points towards him getting a little ahead of himself thinking heÂ’s actually better than he is at this moment in his career. Nothing wrong with a bit of confidence agreed but IÂ’m sure he will get found out if he moves even to a "smaller" club and may even go backwards somewhat before progressing.

Mark Pierpoint
73 Posted 26/05/2015 at 17:25:41
I agree with Pete. I think a loan spell with a top championship club- Â’boro, Burnley or QPR may well be better than embroiling himself in a relegation battle in the prem. I am not even convinced that with Neil Taylor being first choice at Swansea, he would play a significant amount of first team football there.
Ray Roche
74 Posted 26/05/2015 at 17:21:05
To be fair, Paul, myself and others mentioned the wide left problem with Pienaar and Oviedo out several times earlier in the season and after seeing Garbutt in the Europa I thought he was more than capable of doing a job there.

It will indeed be interesting to see if Garbutt and Distin spill the beans on what has been going on in the background. I wasnÂ’t particularly happy when the medical staff left and intimated that not all was well, nor was I when Osman pointed out how easy the training had become under Martinez.

Ray Roche
75 Posted 26/05/2015 at 17:32:07
Pete, moving Baines to centre mid was first mentioned by Martinez. And I repeat, Garbutt IS behind two International left backs, both injured....letÂ’s hope they both recover and continue to be as good as they were. If not....
Pete Edwards
76 Posted 26/05/2015 at 17:39:26
Ray, I know it was mentioned by Martinez but maybe heÂ’s tried in training and doesnÂ’t like what he seeÂ’s or maybe Baines himself doesnÂ’t fancy it?

And yes, both injured now but I have to admire Martinez on standing his ground and not playing him in the last two games with him seemingly not yet decided if he wants to sign, why play someone who doesnÂ’t want to play for the club and looks likely to be off as soon as the window opens.

Michael Winstanley
77 Posted 26/05/2015 at 17:50:10
Garbutt needs to sign his contract and listen to the advice, go out on loan, play every week, perform consistently at a high standard and prove youÂ’re our future left back.

The core of our team is his age so youÂ’d think heÂ’d be keen to stay and wait/fight for his place?

The only negative I can say about Garbutt was pre-season against Tranmere, he hit a freekick into the wall and then proceeded to have a right paddy with himself, jumping up and down on the spot like a toddler. It could be heÂ’s a bit of a dick and the club arenÂ’t bothered about keeping him.

Phill Thompson
78 Posted 26/05/2015 at 17:28:50
I saw on another link that we could get ٢ mill for him from a tribunal , not sure if thatÂ’s correct and obviously Leeds will get their share. So about ١.8 mill for us . A nice bonus, but hardly close to Luke ShawÂ’s fee. HeÂ’s a good player but still a lot to learn, and in the last England u21 I saw him in he was upstaged by Carl Jenkinson at right back.
Brian Hennessy
79 Posted 26/05/2015 at 18:11:49
The biggest mistake Martinez has made is not giving Garbutt an extended run in the team, to see exactly how good he really is.

Considering our season has been pretty much over for months now only makes RM decision all the more baffling.

If Garbutt played say 10 games and looked a better long term prospect than Baines/Oviedo at least we would know where we stand.

If it turned out that his defensive side of the game was weak we should stick with what we have.

At the moment nobody knows just how good or bad Garbutt will turn out to be.

Denis Richardson
80 Posted 26/05/2015 at 18:28:39
I wonder if weÂ’ll be having this thread next year again but this time for Oviedo...whoÂ’s contract is up next year and presumably the club wonÂ’t extend it until heÂ’s proved his fitness - by which time he can sign for another club....

IsnÂ’t Moyes rumoured to be after him?

Phil Walling
81 Posted 26/05/2015 at 18:30:29
Bryan, you are forgetting that barely 10 games ago we were in deep shit and that the manager had little alternative but to play his best left-back ie. Baines. Experimentation and extended runs for reserves were totally out of the question as all that mattered to any of us was POINTS.

Thank gawd, we got them and had a half decent finish to the season. I suspect GarbuttÂ’s mind was elsewhere and thus Galloway got his chance. Stop trying to re-write history, please !

Raymond Fox
82 Posted 26/05/2015 at 18:42:35
Martinez was never in the position this season to give Garbutt an extended run, weÂ’ve been fighting against relegation donÂ’t forget.

The lad wants first team football, which with Baines on our books Roberto cant promise him, end of.

You cant force him to sign under the present circumstances can you?
Nobody's to blame, it's just the way it is.

Ian Jones
83 Posted 26/05/2015 at 19:00:41
The situation with Luke Garbutt is not all that clear and it is interesting that he seem very quiet on the subject. WouldnÂ’t surprise me if he was considering a move to Liverpool, which would be a brave move considering how he will be perceived etc...

Not sure how many games he would get there as first choice, but the current left-backs there are not all that great.

Ian Bennett
84 Posted 26/05/2015 at 19:17:30
If he has been told he is 3rd choice, he is right to move on.

I like Oviedo, but after those injuries IÂ’d have cashed in and put the ٢-5m towards a replacement for Pienaar. We really need a proven top notch left sided player to add pace/goals/creativity.

Phil Walling
85 Posted 26/05/2015 at 19:23:26
You may well be right, Ian, IÂ’ve heard the rumour from the dark side. But if itÂ’s true, IÂ’ll still send him off with best wishes. HeÂ’ll need them! But then, heÂ’ll hardly be reading ToffeeWeb, will he?
Craig Mills
86 Posted 26/05/2015 at 19:24:08
Ian @83, there is serious interest from Liverpool, and the reason we are hearing nothing from Garbutt is because, once it gets to July 1st, he knows heÂ’s gone from Everton. Everton have offered him 㾻k a week plus add-ons, but itÂ’s the playing time he wants and knows he wonÂ’t shift Baines for at least the next 2 years.
Darren Hind
87 Posted 26/05/2015 at 19:54:57
To be honest, Paul, I think we would all do well to put the Martinez issue to bed, at least until we start our pre-season. He got murdered last year and rightly so in my opinion. but it's a blank canvas again. We can't take last season's woes forward we have to ditch them and move on.

IÂ’d like Garbutt to stay and we know Martinez is dying to try Baines in midfield. I worry we well have already seen the best of Oviedo. That was a bad bad injury.

The ball's in Garbutt's court. if somebody offers him more dosh or more games, heÂ’ll probably take them up on it.

Colin Williams
88 Posted 26/05/2015 at 20:20:11
Hope the lad signs our contract... Top talent and future full international! Should have used the lad much more than we have. Martinez’s man-management is very poor... Like everything else he does!!
Jim Jennings
89 Posted 26/05/2015 at 20:17:20
I can never understand why so many people assume that being an overlapping fullback means someone can make the transition to wide midfield just like that.

Seeing the whole game in front of you and bombing on is completely different to receiving the ball with your back to goal and having to beat a man or cut inside to get a cross away.

I am struggling to think of one example where one such fullback has converted successfully to a wide midfielder. Cafu, Dani Alves, Roberto Carlos, Alba, Cole, Lizarazu etc. Not one of them. Why? Because you lose the threat they provide by pushing on from deep.

James Marshall
90 Posted 26/05/2015 at 20:28:56
So everyone complains all season about players being played out of position, and yet this thread is littered with people wanting to see Baines and Garbutt played out of position!

Garbutt looks OK but I donÂ’t think heÂ’ll be a big miss, and the club have offered him a contract. ItÂ’s up to him if he wants to sign it. End of story.

Oliver Molloy
91 Posted 26/05/2015 at 20:58:11
The manager has stated Garbutt has been offered a new contract which he hopes he will sign, however it is all about money these days with 90% of footballers unfortunately.

Garbutt is 21, so if he stays injury free and behaves himself you would think he might have 3 contracts in his career, but these young players want it all "right here right now"

Mourinho has spoken up about the problem with "kids" and their families wanting as much money as possible without having even proved they may be worth a decent contract.

To me that is where Everton are with Garbutt, and it looks like like the club are saying " take it or leave it".

Just because the player has potential, has played relatively well in matches, should he be allowed to call the tune... "No, absolutely not" is the answer.

I like Garbutt and I do hope he stays with us but not at the expense of blackmailing the club into offering him more money than he is worth at this time. He still has lot to prove,

I say this obviously in thinking that he has been offered a decent weekly wage by the club.

Jim Hardin
92 Posted 26/05/2015 at 20:52:01
Darren, watch the "clean slate" or "blank canvas" references to the next season. Posters on here murdered Howard for being quoted as saying the same thing about not lingering and dwelling on the past one.

James Marshall, I donÂ’t think that Garbutt is asking him to play a different position since he doesnÂ’t have one on the team yet. Which makes more sense, trying out a young offensive minded player at that spot or a 31-year-old veteran, who owns the left back spot for club and country, and who is better defensively than Garbutt?

Also, I donÂ’t think it is so much the playing a player out of position as an experiment that fans complain about. I think it is RMÂ’s insistence on playing the wrong player out of position and then continuing to jam that player where he does not fit over and over and over and over and over and over that gets them.

Andy Crooks
93 Posted 26/05/2015 at 21:41:57
ThereÂ’s plenty to be attacking Martinez and the club about but not this. Garbutt looks okay but IÂ’ve seen little to suggest heÂ’s going to be worth multi millions in a couple of years.

If, for example, we needed a win last week to get Champions League football. Say Baines, Oviedo and Garbutt were fit. In my view Garbutt would be last choice. In two years time it might be different.

Right now, Garbutt should jump at the chance to start a Premier League career now instead of down the line.

Peter McHugh
94 Posted 26/05/2015 at 22:10:42
Andy sums it up well although to me his left foot looks very sweet. Martinez would have a better clue having seen him in training but I hope he stays.
Paul Andrews
95 Posted 26/05/2015 at 22:17:07
As mentioned above, last season is over and done with. LetÂ’s see what the transfer window, along with an almost full squad together for pre season training, brings us. Pack the negativity away, be positive.
Anthony Tully
96 Posted 26/05/2015 at 23:06:02
Can I as a very old Evertonian (age75) give Luke a bit of advice?

Just look through the records and see (apart from Rooney) who has done anything after living Everton. Just a thought.

Victor Yu
97 Posted 27/05/2015 at 02:28:14
Garbutt has potential but at the moment he is not going to replace Baines. Galloway has potential but it doesnÂ’t mean he will step into the team and replace Jagielka next year.

The best move for Garbutt, in my opinion, is to join a newly promoted club and show what he can do. A bigger team will come in for him again if he does well (eg, Gary Cahill).

Ray Roche
98 Posted 27/05/2015 at 07:52:38
Peter@94

Martinez also watched Alcaraz in training... just saying, like.

Ernie Baywood
99 Posted 27/05/2015 at 10:48:30
I see this as relatively straightforward.

HeÂ’s a good young player and we would like to keep him.

HeÂ’s behind EnglandÂ’s left back in the pecking order.

He hasnÂ’t signed a contract as he needs to assess his options.

Does there always have to be a goodie and a baddie?

Phil Sammon
100 Posted 27/05/2015 at 10:50:44
I think the accusations of him being a money-grabber are a bit harsh. If he goes anywhere it is likely to be somewhere where he will be first choice and playing every week. HeÂ’s not going to oust Baines so fair play to the lad if he wants to leave.

He has potential though and from a selfish point of view I hope he stays with us, pushes Baines and sees himself as our left back for the next ten years!

Alex Fox
101 Posted 27/05/2015 at 11:28:22
Looks like heÂ’s off. Big shame, but surely no blame attached to either party.

Everton (and Martinez) offered a two year contract back in the summer of 2013 laying out a clear career plan for his progress. First head out on loan, then settle into the first-team squad. Both successfully ticked off.

Now the big question Luke will have been asking during these contract talks is Â’what will the next two years look like?Â’ And you canÂ’t blame Martinez for telling him heÂ’ll spend them largely deputising for Baines: EnglandÂ’s first choice in his position, and our most consistent and creative performer over the last several years. ItÂ’s just bad timing.

GarbuttÂ’s an ambitious 22-year-old, and heÂ’ll no doubt be looking over at Ryan Bertrand. Similarly stuck behind one of the first names on the teamsheet at Chelsea, Bertrand spent years being shipped out on loan before finally realizing at 24 that he would have to establish himself elsewhere if he was going to kick on. HeÂ’s now in the PFA Team of The Year. Time will tell if Luke has the same potential.

Colin Glassar
102 Posted 27/05/2015 at 12:15:46
Looks like Atsu is off to Bournemouth. I wonder if heÂ’ll link up with Garbutt there?
Darren Hind
103 Posted 27/05/2015 at 11:57:13
Cafu, Alves, Carlos Alba cole etc were all high energy full backs playing with World class players, Baines is a better "footballer" than all of them. I sometimes think some Evertonians didn't actually recognise the dazzling football Pienaar, Baines and sometimes Ossie actually served up. I can remember us being clapped off Villa Park and The Liberty by the home fans, such was our brilliance... How often does that happen?

Martinez said he wanted to try Baines in midfield because he has seen him play there in training. this isnÂ’t a question of playing people out of position in order to make sure they get a game. Its a necessary experiment.

WeÂ’ve all heard the noises coming from the club. The war chest is going to be as light as ever. With so many older players being eased out, Martinez will have to shuffle the pack next season whether we like it or not.

Richard Reeves
104 Posted 27/05/2015 at 12:04:07
IÂ’ve said before and I still think Martinez has made mistakes with Garbutt which is a bit disappointing considering he gave the lad his chance in the first place and, although I donÂ’t think he was used enough last season (particularly in the Premier League), he still had more appearances than he wouldÂ’ve had under the previous manager.

He should still sign with us though – I honestly think it would be better for him and his career. With the young players we’ve got and all at a similar age, it’s set up for a good team and not too far away I think.

I also think he will get more chances next season and it could be forced upon us with the age and recent injuries to Baines and Oviedo.

Tony J Williams
105 Posted 27/05/2015 at 13:09:41
Dennis way back at #35, can I have my thoughts back now?

Also a good point is Jay #63, when Garbutt said we hadnÂ’t trained properly he was dropped like a stone.....coincidentally he now looks like he wants out.

I hope he stays but not overly concerned if he goes, as he has not shown us that he is the massive star some on here seem to believe he is. Usual story that his perception gets bigger and better the less he plays.

Paul Andrews
106 Posted 27/05/2015 at 15:57:31
Darren 103,

Very sensible comments there. IÂ’m not absolutely sure Baines is a better footballer than Alves or Cafu but I can see where youÂ’re going with that one. I too believe Baines has the ability to play in front of the back four, he has the vision and mobility to go with it too. We need someone who can set the play going forward quickly; Baines could be that man.

I believe it would be worth giving him a go but only in a 4-1-4-1 formation. In my opinion, we should move away from the 4-2-3-1 system. Mainly because there is no place for Barkley in the 4-2-3-1. This lad will, given a styled position, develop into a top class player.

Adaptable formations for next season, please. 4-3-3 would also allow Barkley to flourish.

Barry Jones
107 Posted 27/05/2015 at 19:12:42
Baines has been the best left back in the country for the last 3 to 4 years (possibly excluding this season). He is still in his prime and once he sorts out his ankle issues I am confident that he will still be a force. Garbutt is just unfortunate. It is not easy to keep young talent happy in these conditions but this is one situation that we cannot blame Martinez for, he seems to have done everything right.
Mark Pierpoint
108 Posted 29/05/2015 at 14:12:15
Sky Sports News understand Swansea are in talks with a French LB from St Etienne. ١.5m to challenge Neil Taylor. The plot thickens.... Will be really surprised if he opted to join Bournemouth rather than sign a new deal with us.

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