Forward set for key talks with Martinez
Another case of "Lost in Translation"? Mirallas muddies the transfer waters yet again with his latest Belgian media interview
Kevin Mirallas has made more revelations to the Belgian press about his Everton future, telling De Standaard that his relationship with Roberto Martinez has become “awkward” over what he feels were broken promises regarding his role in the team.
Mirallas has been the subject of speculation that he could leave Everton since January following comments he made in his native Belgium about his desire for Champions League football next season.
British media sources pushed a proposed move to Tottenham Hotspur, perhaps in part-exchange for Aaron Lennon, but the 27 year-old suggests this week that he was persuaded not to follow up interest from the Continent in the last transfer window in order to stay and help turn Everton's season around.
The latest quotes attributed to Mirallas suggest that he feels let down by Martinez, given the fact that he was not an automatic choice to start matches since Lennon's arrival on loan from Spurs at the beginning of February.
He explains that he will have important discussions with the Blues' boss before deciding whether to extend his contract which is due to expire next summer, although Everton have the option to extend it by another year.
“Borussia Dortmund and Atletico Madrid were interested," the former Olymipacos man said, "but Everton obliged me to stay at the club. I understood because our young group had performed below expectations. So I had to stay.
“But in the second half of the season I was suddenly playing less games. There are promises broken and it makes for a somewhat awkward relationship with the coach. Soon, I will have a conversation with him.
“I have had a beautiful three years with Everton. I have experienced many great moments and for that I must thank the club. I don't know whether I will leave, it is a decision I have to make in consultation with my family.”
Mirallas's comments reveal another apparent dichotomy in what he says to the local and national English press on the one hand and to Belgian media on the other. He told the Liverpool Echo in April that, “There was a lot of paper talk about my future last week, but I am very happy here and I see next season the same shirt I think.”
Quotes sourced from Liverpool Echo
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1 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:11:31
2 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:12:54
Perhaps your relationship with the coach isnÃ‚t the same due to your missed penalty and immediate subsequent injury?
Or the fact that you turn up once in a blue moon and put a proper shift in?
Or your I play for Mirallas FC first and Everton second attitude?
Who knows? I suspect that you are miles away from being a Simone type player, and any interest is purely in your agents imagination.
If you donÃ‚t want to be here, just go. Have the balls to come out and say it.
3 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:29:03
4 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:29:37
5 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:31:05
What young group?? Apart from City weÃ‚ve probably got the oldest team in the league. Unless he specifically means Barkley and Atsu, who are the only young players who havenÃ‚t done anything.
I hope he stays but wonÃ‚t lose any sleep if he goes.
6 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:32:52
7 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:42:26
Now thatÃ‚s what I call a broken promise! So piss off somewhere else!
Everton Football Club is bigger and better than you will ever be!
8 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:14:29
I wondered why a healthy, Prem-fit player as Distin was shut out completely. Really, Roberto didnÃ‚t want him available?
WeÃ‚re up on a wage clearing. The end of next season, Mirallas included, a ton of money goes off the wage bill. ThatÃ‚s a fact.
Is the Club being set up for sale? Mirallas being the first part?
10 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:48:49
In LevyÃ‚s world, Aaron Lennon is worth ٧M with only 1 year left on his contract so we can add another ٣M on MirallasÃ‚s value.
Otherwise offload him to a German or Spanish team for 㾸M.
12 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:43:54
He wonÃ‚t run through brick walls for us but he is a match winner; however, he is very inconsistent and a player we will soon forget about if he goes. Taking the ball off Leighton was a disgrace and a selfish act in my opinion and told me he wasnÃ‚t a team player!
I was gutted when we lost Rooney! This isnÃ‚t the same.
13 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:59:52
14 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:58:11
I canÃ‚t remember ever seeing him play a full 90 minutes,
HeÃ‚s ball greedy
ItÃ‚s all about him,
His injury record isnÃ‚t the best,
Recently thereÃ‚s been too many of these stories about him,
HeÃ‚s not the best team player.
If we can sell him, (ideally to a foreign team), for a decent price, we need to get rid of him, because otherwise I think heÃ‚ll go on a free next season.
15 Posted 29/05/2015 at 18:03:57
I said on a previous thread IÃ‚m sure he thought a string of clubs would be after him, it didnÃ‚t materialise so he loves us again and shock horror he has learnt of some interest and the club has wronged him! Come on !!
Long summer ahead but for the first time probably ever I couldnÃ‚t care less who we sold with the possible exception of McCarthy and Stones.
16 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:56:10
I do get the feeling that our manager has had to wrestle some power back over this season via tactics like this.
To his credit, leaving Distin out improved our defense and Lennon improved our attack and team play Ã‚â€“ makes me think he isnÃ‚t as incompetent as some make out.
17 Posted 29/05/2015 at 17:52:40
Sure, I wish he would track back more but with proper health and minutes he would bury Naisy and Lennon in goals scored and assists. If you were on the team and had his talent and yet consistently saw the headless instigator Naisy starting in front of you where would youÃ‚re mind be at? Naisy a great guy but in my book on his talent level his recent 3-year contract was a bigger waste than BarryÃ‚s.
18 Posted 29/05/2015 at 18:21:11
We only want players who want to play for Everton.
21 Posted 29/05/2015 at 18:38:46
I can see him rejoining Moyes in Spain. Although knowing Everton, it will be a one-year loan deal and weÃ‚ll forget to extend his contract first.
24 Posted 29/05/2015 at 18:56:14
LetÃ‚s sign some good quality young players not old journeymen with bad temperaments. I know JoeyÃ‚s an Evertonian but no thanks.
25 Posted 29/05/2015 at 18:59:08
Fuck him off overseas for a decent fee and move on. Thanks for the memories. A club with limited resources needs players who believe in the cause, not jumped-up little twats who think the world revolves around them.
26 Posted 29/05/2015 at 18:57:38
EtoÃ‚o definitely fell out with him and got rapidly sold on in January, Distin got exiled for the last 6 months of the season, and Mirallas has forcedÃ‚Â to watch from the bench while RMÃ‚s one winger obsession leaves us with an unbalanced left side, with no width or pace.
Distin spoke of similar broken promises as well. I think it was Eddie Dunn who has said on here many times that a source told him that some players donÃ‚t trust RM and think heÃ‚s a two-faced bullshitter. I think heÃ‚s spot on.
(If it wasnÃ‚t you Eddie I apologise but it was someone on here.)
29 Posted 29/05/2015 at 19:03:28
30 Posted 29/05/2015 at 19:39:58
31 Posted 29/05/2015 at 19:45:08
The two Belgians we have have scored nearly all our goals this season and ironically Fellaini scored 13 goals from midfield and he is another Belgian player. The players who escape the critics do not score and that is the only fact according to this article.
Replacing regular goal scorers and attacking players are the hardest part of any club affairs. Stupid calls for signing Barton takes the biscuit, he is probably the most sent-off player in the league and he is publicly critical of teammates. He is as old as Barry and has been let go by a lesser club.
32 Posted 29/05/2015 at 19:48:11
33 Posted 29/05/2015 at 19:43:41
I read that three times and still donÃ‚t believe somebody posted it... 㾽M to who? If he wanted to be picked regularly, he should not insult Evertonians with shithouse displays.
His performance at Villa is as uncommitted as I have seen from an Everton player.
Non triers donÃ‚t deserve to play. Offload him, to the highest bidder.
34 Posted 29/05/2015 at 19:35:50
I think weÃ‚d all respect Miralles more if he came out and said to the fans he wants Champions League Football, rather than every time he does one to the Continent doing interviews with various rags bleeting on about how badly his career is being affected by his treatment.Then saying over here that he never said he wanted to leave and he loves being at the club.
I donÃ‚t buy the articles have been misinterpreted in translation, once possibly.
With regards to both him & Garbutt if they donÃ‚t want to stay, the club has a duty to move them on, getting the best deal they can for the club, there is no point having players at the club who donÃ‚t want to be there.
35 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:03:32
What a coincidence!
36 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:02:34
ItÃ‚s obvious the rumoured 9m fee for Lennon is way for them to pay as little as possible for Mirralas. Mirralas also has twice as long on his contract and also twice the player IMO. I donÃ‚t think itÃ‚s ridiculous at all to expect them to pay around 7-8m cash adjustment. They probably wonÃ‚t mind, so Levy can do one.
38 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:27:14
ThereÃ‚s always a buzz when he comes on and most would agree he is a selfish player when in possession. But heÃ‚s a clinical finisher when one to one - which is more than can be said of too many of our Ã‚starsÃ‚ !
IÃ‚ve always felt he could be the much needed No. 10 we hear so much about but Martinez sees him as an impact player and will not be moved on that view.
IÃ‚m sure he will moved on - unloved by manager - and most on here - without ever getting a decent run in his right position. Our loss. But who, under this manager performs to his full potential ? Name ONE, please !
39 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:40:41
If Barton was such a winner in the dressing room why have QPR just gone down with a whimper ? Not his fault I expect, but still.
40 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:38:28
Surprising we got a team out this season.
Apart from Stones, I couldnÃ‚t care less if any of them fuck off.
41 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:39:28
HeÃ‚s a talented lad, but you need a bit more than talent.
42 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:43:40
Another so called Everton star who found out the odd goal in 12 games isnÃ‚t good enough for a team like Spurs.
Let Kevin go if he wants to, not many players have left Everton and gone on to better things.
43 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:51:12
44 Posted 29/05/2015 at 21:01:52
45 Posted 29/05/2015 at 21:00:05
Once a player drops out of those sides through an injury, they can disappear along with their careers very quickly Ã‚â€“ look at David Bentley to name just one. These teams usually just go out and buy whoever else is flavour of the month.
46 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:53:07
47 Posted 29/05/2015 at 20:57:59
He will follow Rooney, Lescott and Arteta and go on to win major honours having left us no doubt.
49 Posted 29/05/2015 at 21:13:50
ItÃ‚s worrying how this squad is going to change from the unrest and distress it looks in, IÃ‚m not convinced it can be allowed to carry on,
Can Martinez remain in charge of a side that clearly does not trust his playing style and lacks leadership on the pitch and in the dressing room??
The statement from Baines about Lennon waking them into hard work was quite frankly embarrassing and said all you need to know about the interest the players have got in being a success under Martinez.
52 Posted 29/05/2015 at 21:32:15
So Mirallas, one of the better of a bad bunch, if he's had a half a dozen decent games.
53 Posted 29/05/2015 at 21:38:34
54 Posted 29/05/2015 at 21:36:15
Either Martinez makes him a first choice and deploys him in a position which maximises his ability or gets rid. Kev is clearly not a player who will keep his mouth shut and get his head down if things arenÃ‚t going his way.
55 Posted 29/05/2015 at 22:12:12
56 Posted 29/05/2015 at 22:22:02
If this report is true, then we should get rid of him now and quick. More so than ever all players who pull on our shirt must be together and fully committed 100% for the new season, otherwise we are in trouble.
57 Posted 29/05/2015 at 22:24:30
He lives near me in Cheshire and IÃ‚ve seen him in the local Tesco a few times and IÃ‚ve always been pleasant to him and let on, he seemed pleased to be recognised as very few havenÃ‚t a clue who he is as most all are Man Utd or Citeh fans around there.
I canÃ‚t wait to see him again and tell him what I think of him now!!!
58 Posted 29/05/2015 at 22:53:15
59 Posted 29/05/2015 at 22:51:05
However, itÃ‚s time to commit or move on. If he goes, then so be it. But I wouldnÃ‚t sell him to Spurs. TheyÃ‚ll fuck us over, weÃ‚d be better served buying Lennon separately and selling Mirallas abroad if we go down that road.
60 Posted 29/05/2015 at 23:20:56
61 Posted 29/05/2015 at 23:28:08
What he does have is confidence in his own ability. He is pretty good, but not as good as he thinks he is. When in the mood, he can be positive, but as mentioned above, if things donÃ‚t go his way, he disappears.
If he stays... fine.
If he goes... sell him for a bundle... also fine.
62 Posted 29/05/2015 at 23:38:43
63 Posted 30/05/2015 at 00:10:11
66 Posted 30/05/2015 at 00:40:57
So, we dump Kevin, eh. God bless you first-rate personnel folks. Then what? Enlighten the rest of us. Who do we get in?
MirallasÃ‚s "problem" is that he came a few years too late to play with Arteta.
Gold car-driving selfish bastard.
67 Posted 30/05/2015 at 01:03:33
Konoplyanka? Free. Possible. Wage demands of 𧴜k a week if rumours are true.
Nolito? Apparently Porto are interested in him and is valued at 㾸m, probably almost all of our budget for this summer. And if Porto go in for him heÃ‚ll go there.
Perisic? Wolfsburg are in the Champions League next season. Why would he come here?
Bolasie? I like him personally but he wants to stay in London it seems.
Deulofeu? IÃ‚d love him back here. Exciting talent and loved by the fans. However Martinez said in the interview that itÃ‚s Ã‚not realistic at this timeÃ‚ so perhaps not.
We definitely need a quality replacement for him if he goes because if we donÃ‚t get a replacement weÃ‚d be left with McGeady and injury prone Pienaar. And maybe Lennon if we get him. Unlikely though knowing Levy.
68 Posted 30/05/2015 at 00:11:56
Things have changed enormously over the last two or three years. Quality talent might decide to look elsewhere and the overall standard of our aging squad may gradually fall.
With so many clubs offering better deals, hanging on to our top players will not be easy but we must fight to keep them. As Dick Advocat noted about Sunderland the other day. "ItÃ‚s quality they need, not quantity." The same applies to Everton. How we manage to capture these quality players is anyoneÃ‚s guess but it has to be done.
69 Posted 30/05/2015 at 01:41:48
Distin, EtoÃ‚o, Garbutt, Baines, Mirallas... and Martinez.
A lot of the Backroom staff who quit... and Martinez.
If I had to keep one from Martinez and Mirallas... IÃ‚d keep the player, at least he might win us a game or two, the other one will just waste another season
CanÃ‚t do his job and wonÃ‚t do his job...fuck em both off for me. At least we will get money for the player. Who will pay us for Martinez
71 Posted 30/05/2015 at 04:10:08
I agree. If itÃ‚s Mirallas or Martinez then I want Mirallas to be the one who stays. Then again, if it were Martinez or the tea lady then IÃ‚d still want Roberto to pack his bags.
Who knows what Mirallas has said or done. All I know is he didnÃ‚t play enough towards the end of the season when Barkley was doing nothing and Osman was out of position. A greedy, Gold Bentley-driving prima-donna he may be...but heÃ‚s one of the few players we have who knows where the goal is.
72 Posted 30/05/2015 at 05:14:42
All things being equal heÃ‚s a good addition to the squad but IÃ‚m very much with Andrew Clare (#18). Maybe thatÃ‚s why IÃ‚m not in man management but hey.
HeÃ‚s continuously (unless misquoted) dropping little bits here and there how essentially heÃ‚s better than Everton Ã‚â€“ how does that make the youngsters, particularly, in the squad feel? And I may have missed it but for a seasoned International footballer when was the last time you heard one of the youngsters (Barkley for instance) say how much heÃ‚d learned from him, what an influence heÃ‚d been, how heÃ‚d improved his game etc?
Modern day footballers seem to be typically very self-centred nowadays so MirallasÃ‚s attitude is no more exceptional than the 7/10 performances heÃ‚s given to a club he clearly feels he has outgrown.
We should open up to offers and see if anyone else thinks Kevin is quite as good as he thinks he is. LetÃ‚s start the bidding at 㾻M and get someone in who feels they have something to prove.
73 Posted 30/05/2015 at 08:17:08
74 Posted 30/05/2015 at 08:33:24
Sod Ã‚em all. With their media mates they are ruining a great game far more than Blatter.
76 Posted 30/05/2015 at 09:13:19
We have no say in the matter, unfortunately; if he goes, he goes... if he stays he stays. HeÃ‚s gifted, IÃ‚d prefer a player less gifted who is consistently good.
77 Posted 30/05/2015 at 09:41:37
YouÃ‚re correct. Attracting players is becoming a problem, and is the next stage in our decline along with players at the club telling us they would sooner be somewhere else: Lukaku, Mirallas and Naismith.
Cleverley has dropped a clear hint he will sign for Villa. We are down to taking a chance on unknowns from Europe and cast offs from bigger clubs.
78 Posted 30/05/2015 at 09:59:13
79 Posted 30/05/2015 at 10:01:59
Sell him on and make a decent offer for Deulofeu.
80 Posted 30/05/2015 at 10:30:04
Never an automatic selection here, heÃ‚s invariably hooked before the end and has a poor fitness record. WeÃ‚re stuck with him, IÃ‚m afraid.
81 Posted 30/05/2015 at 10:58:04
Play him in his proper position and I believe you would see a different player with a different attitude Ã‚â€“ and a goal return.
No doubt EtoÃ‚o felt the same way prior to falling out of favour.
82 Posted 30/05/2015 at 11:12:31
The best man-managers IÃ‚ve seen at Everton were Joe Royle & Howard Kendall, no coincidence that they both won trophies. Mourinho is the most successful manager in the league and a brilliant man-manager. Moyes famously lost the dressing room at Everton before turning it around. Martinez doesnÃ‚t strike me as the type who is going to modify his approach.
84 Posted 30/05/2015 at 11:23:46
I suspect that some promises regarding bonuses or wages have not been met and that some players have gained extended contracts whilst others have been allowed to let their contracts run down.
Mirallas, Garbutt, Baines and Distin are players who were signed by Moyes and perhaps donÃ‚t fit in with RobertoÃ‚s philosophy. EtoÃ‚o will forever be a mystery as to why we signed him and then got rid of as quickly as possible. Whatever the situation has been with particular players, the manager lives and dies by his decisions and we wonÃ‚t know how many of those decisions are proved correct until the new season begins.
I suspect that Ã‚â€“ if Roberto was held in higher esteem by the fans Ã‚â€“ nobody would question what has occurred regarding those players but at the moment every incident is being viewed negatively because the supporters donÃ‚t have too much trust in Roberto. HeÃ‚s going to have to win back those supporters and the only way he can do that is if he has a group of players fully focussed on playing for him and producing performances befitting of their abilities.
A big summer lies ahead and itÃ‚s too early to tell what condition the squad will be in come August.
85 Posted 30/05/2015 at 11:49:24
Phil and Derek, it's a bit boring now with all the "we lose because of Martinez but when we win its nothing to do with him"!
86 Posted 30/05/2015 at 12:46:10
Possibly, but we are certainly not the attraction we used to be.
87 Posted 30/05/2015 at 12:39:42
And for all the critical comments on here re our manager's relationships with certain players, people have short memories. WasnÃ‚t it at White Hart Lane this season that Mirallas ran to embrace him after scoring? Fact is Lennon came in and performed well enough to keep him out the team.
89 Posted 30/05/2015 at 13:18:51
This will be another wasted season as we fall further behind the Stokes etc.
It was a good try but weÃ‚ve gone too far the other way.
WhatÃ‚s needed is the Goldilocks Option, not too much Moyes, not too much Martinez.
90 Posted 29/05/2015 at 23:55:19
The goals we lost when Fellaini went have never been replaced and we can anticipate the same if Mirallas went.
Goalscoring midfielders no matter how greedy or selfish they are are at a premium.
Nobody can question Mirallas's ability it is his lack of motivation this season that is called into question and you would have to ask the manager about that.
92 Posted 30/05/2015 at 15:29:16
HeÃ‚s in and out of the team due to lack of form. Other than a fabulous performance at West Ham, his season will be remembered for a hijacked, missed penalty and some horrible niggly challenges.
He tells us he likes it here and heÃ‚ll stay, then he tells us he was Ã‚forced to stayÃ‚ at Everton and he wants to talk to Martinez about Ã‚broken promisesÃ‚.
It would be good if Mirallas made a Ã‚promiseÃ‚ to work his socks off next season and earn himself a new contract, either with us or the bigger club he clearly Ã‚deservesÃ‚. Or he could just leave and give us the space for a player who is talented, consistent and actually wants to play for us.
93 Posted 30/05/2015 at 15:50:18
94 Posted 30/05/2015 at 16:01:22
95 Posted 30/05/2015 at 16:24:52
Bar one outstanding game and a few good sub appearances, EtoÃ‚o did nothing. You should question more why he moved here in the first place.
The defence improved since Distin went in the team. Yes, a great servant and remember he played really well in MartinezÃ‚s first season, but now deadwood.
And then only Mirallas gets some credit this season. But despite his goal season, its probably his most inconsistent season to date. And he is replaceable for the 㾶-14 million he might move away for.
Lets just say he falls out with Coleman, Baines, McCarthy or Jags, a player with the right attitude AND the right talent then yeah the nay sayers have a point.
But those three this season didn't have those things (EtoÃ‚o had neither).
So I needs good riddance to Kevin if he wants to go.
If Martinez succeeds in putting his own stamp and improving the team this season then great. But it could go either way. I'm still quite excited tho, its going to be an interesting summer.
96 Posted 30/05/2015 at 16:36:24
Surely we should question why Martinez brought him here in the first place.
"The defence improved since Distin went in the team"
That would be the Distin who would have made a world of difference in Kiev....
No Ben, if Martinez has it in him to keep falling out with players, and Mirallas IS one of our better players when motivated we should be trying to keep him.
Incidentally, I think itÃ‚s a manager's job to ensure players are motivated. Then again, IÃ‚m probably a bit old school...
97 Posted 30/05/2015 at 16:45:37
Mirallas is an asset when the team is firing on all cylinders but a liability when things are going awry. HeÃ‚s a good footballer but a terrible character, like too many are these days. Lukaku has similar traits which is why neither he nor Mirallas will reach the very top of the game. They both have skill but donÃ‚t have the mental strength to reach the heights.
My hopes of winning a few bob today I took Falkirk and Villa to win the Scottish and English FA CupÃ‚s because they both won the respective competitions in 1957 have hit the buffers due to the ineptness of the Falkirk keeper.
98 Posted 30/05/2015 at 16:59:30
LetÃ‚s hope your bet comes off, IÃ‚d rather another name on the FA Cup than Arsenal and their spoilt fans would have to get used to it.
99 Posted 30/05/2015 at 17:10:31
IÃ‚m not sure that I want Villa to win, because it might prove a catalyst for them to push on and be another club who could leave us in their wake on the other hand Arsenal are not an easy club to like as far as their fans are concerned.
100 Posted 30/05/2015 at 17:14:48
I agree with you, Ray. It is MartinezÃ‚s job to motivate the team and heÃ‚s done it very poorly this season.
ThatÃ‚s a separate issue to this Mirallas situation. HeÃ‚s had his three years, he wants to move on. He thinks heÃ‚s better than us, the market will dictate whether heÃ‚s right. Any player who does well for us, regardless of who is manager, will want to move on to Ã‚betterÃ‚ clubs. You can list them all, from when I started going to the game in 1970.
IÃ‚m old school too. If they want to leave, let them go for the biggest price.
101 Posted 30/05/2015 at 18:15:51
102 Posted 30/05/2015 at 18:19:35
Yes Paul, if Mirallas really wants to go get the highest price for him. And any other who donÃ‚t REALLY want to be here. Very few players are playing for the club closest to their heart and even when they do, like Rooney, the money still drags them away.
103 Posted 30/05/2015 at 20:00:15
104 Posted 30/05/2015 at 20:04:22
105 Posted 30/05/2015 at 20:11:40
ItÃ‚s looking less and less likely that there are and perhaps it is the modern fashion to focus on the managers that has lead to some players hiding behind that shield.
ItÃ‚s always been about having good players and the more money available the better the team, which isnÃ‚t good news for Evertonians. I hadnÃ‚t realised that it is eleven years since Arsenal were last crowned Champions Ã‚â€“ that tells another story of how difficult it is to compete at the top end of the Premier League.
107 Posted 30/05/2015 at 20:31:21
I disagree about Distin though, why would he have made a difference? They'/ve both been awful. Did you watch Distin against Swansea in the League Cup?
Then I think your point is why does not Martinez motivate the WHOLE team. Well Distin, Mirallas and EtoÃ‚o aren't the whole team.
As I said before, if Martinez failed to motivate our players with the right attitude, Jags, Barry etc then there are questions, but that's clearly not the case.
Motivation is not the issue with Martinez for me. I think fitness and some tactical stubbornness were the main ones, and yeah Martinez plays a key role in both, so Im no Martinez fanatic by any means.
I would also agree there are better man managers out there, but I do not believe the key elements and majority of the squad have motivation problems playing for the manager.
So if, as he says, the World Cup and Europa League are key elements why we were so poor this season, then in my eyes, he deserves till at least Christmas to prove it, otherwise questions need to be answered.
But as I have said, people forget his first season, it was so much better than most of MoyesÃ‚s seasons in charge. Martinez deserves another chance in my eyes.
108 Posted 30/05/2015 at 21:03:06
(Yes, I know the Kevin Mirallas on FB wasnÃ‚t really him)
109 Posted 30/05/2015 at 21:07:01
110 Posted 30/05/2015 at 21:22:34
I want to see midfielders playing one-twos around the opposition, not just between themselves.
114 Posted 30/05/2015 at 22:55:08
Quality will tell if the players decide to put in a shift but without hard-work quality is wasted, as for Everton if they donÃ‚t all work hard then they will find it difficult to beat any team.
115 Posted 30/05/2015 at 23:04:16
I think Distin would have made a considerable difference in the game I mentioned, away to Kiev, in place of the woeful Alcaraz who gave as poor a display at Centre half that I can remember.
As for motivation, some players need it more than others, just as in any workplace. ItÃ‚s Martinez job to identify them and give them the motivation as required. I have also been banging on about the poor levels of fitness and the rubbish pre season since last August, however, I do think that using the Europa as an excuse is poor. What would have happened if weÃ‚d finished 4th last season and qualified for the CL? Would we be moaning about the extra games then?
And I also think that Martinez first and excellent season owed much to the Moyes regime set up and system and that the season just finished is all MartinezÃ‚s own work. You may have gathered, IÃ‚m not his greatest fan.
116 Posted 30/05/2015 at 23:15:15
This idiot seems to resent what Moyes had setup and has systematically been dismantling it including players who still showed some loyalty toward OFM.
Those supporters blaming Distin for our defensive woes need to wake up and check the stats.
The whole team has been defensively poor and anemic up front ALL season except for 1 or 2 games and Distin didnt play in 80% of them.
As you rightly pont out Alcaraz looked as if he had never been shown how to head or clear a ball against Kiev.
It was the poorest Centre back display I have seen since Glen Keeley.
117 Posted 30/05/2015 at 23:16:07
That said, I feel for Mirallas as heÃ‚s not a favourite with Martinez and thatÃ‚s always been clear. For me, Mirallas is a top player who can win a game all by himself and heÃ‚s not been treated with the respect his play deserves.
Mirallas was sacrificed for Delboy and McGeady last season, Atsu and Lennon this season... something tells me the writing has been on the wall all along. In my opinion, none of the above names come close to Mirallas.
118 Posted 30/05/2015 at 23:50:00
120 Posted 31/05/2015 at 06:25:51
That he did. Although to me it was just retribution for SuarezÃ‚s horror tackle on him the year previous which put him out for weeks.
The indignation of the commentators for MirallasÃ‚s tackle was comical. Yes he should have been sent off. Like Suarez the year prior.
121 Posted 31/05/2015 at 18:18:57
122 Posted 31/05/2015 at 18:23:17
123 Posted 31/05/2015 at 18:34:19
124 Posted 31/05/2015 at 20:14:52
125 Posted 31/05/2015 at 23:06:57
126 Posted 31/05/2015 at 23:35:06
..... Because HEÃ‚ll never be associated with TASTE!
130 Posted 01/06/2015 at 12:38:20
Of KevÃ‚s league goals, 3 came in defeats, 1 against Chelsea, Spurs and Newcastle, Also his "wonder performance" against West Ham in the FA Cup was ultimately pointless too.
Scored against Wolfsburg twice and Young Boys; his league wins came with QPR, Burnley and West Brom. Not exactly setting the world on fire is it? Not a prestige list of teams really?
131 Posted 01/06/2015 at 13:14:22
Whether Kev will be here or elsewhere next season, take away his strikes in defeats, draws or wins and weÃ‚re going to be a joy to watch next season. Can we actually scout a replacement?
Not sure how accurate who scoredÃ‚s season data is but if they are anywhere near true, Kev isnÃ‚t that bad.
Mirallas 1841 mins 11 goals 2 assists
McGeady 1305 mins 1 goal 4 assists
Naismith 2552 mins 8 goals 1 assists
Osman 1567 mins 3 goals 2 assists
Ozil 1860 mins 4 goals 5 assists
Van Persie 2114 mins 10 goals 2 assists
Mata 2309 mins 9 goals 4 assists
132 Posted 01/06/2015 at 13:16:43
And negating the point of his performance against West Ham because they knocked us out of the Cup borders on the hilarious/innane. I really do not know if you are attempting some incredibly well concealed sarcasm, or have been listening to too much Talksport.
Your whole argument though, ostensibly that Mirallas is some kind of flat-track bully, makes no sense. It would actually make more sense to read the stats differently: Of Mirallas 11 goals this season, 2 came against Wolfsburg (The best side we faced in the Europa League, and the second best in the Bundesliga), the Champions Chelsea, against Manchester United and Spurs, and away to an inform Newcastle and West Ham prior to their second half of the season collapses. He has hardly performed a Berbatov has he?!
Mirallas may had a bad attitude, or may be ambitious depending on how you want to frame it, but he is one of the few players in our squad capable of brilliance. He has scored at a ratio of 1 goal in just under 4 Premier League starts, which is an impressive record and far better than any other of our midfield options. Him going will make us weaker, and we will lose our most effective wide player.
I do not understand the desire to get rid of him. I understand he has an irritating attitude, and that his outbursts (albeit ones exaggerated by the media) are unhelpful. But he is one of our most talented players, and is capable of playing across the 3 attacking mid positions and up front.
Very few players in this league are capable of playing so many positions, and many would have preferred a more stable base position that Mirallas has had in his Everton career. Getting rid of our best players will make us weaker - we should only let Mirallas go when we are forced too.
Let McGeady go this summer. He can follow Alcaraz, Distin, Atsu (And I expect Pienaar) out the door. Then we should invest our funds in a good young centre-back and a creative midfielder. IÃ‚d like to see us supplement those important arrivals with a striker and winger, most probably on loan.
Importantly, we must keep our best players, and I will be extremely disappointed to see our best goalscoring midfield go when we lack a goal threat from midfield.
133 Posted 01/06/2015 at 13:34:57
As I mentioned, the goals he scored where we have won were against QPR, West Brom and Burnley so not as if he he scoring against great defences. The other goals were in Europe were we battered the teams and the others were effectively consolation goals.
I think he is a good player but, as I have always thought, he is nowhere near as good as he thinks he is and I donÃ‚t actually think we will miss him as much as some on here think we will.
ItÃ‚s not simply a case of take away his goals from a result, as there would have been another player there instead of him and it's a case of what that player may have added/detracted from the game.
I hope he stays but I am not bothered one bit if he does go.
134 Posted 01/06/2015 at 13:03:20
Making promises that you never mean to keep is a bit like watching the Kevin Peterson saga.
If there is no communication with players as to what they have to do to get back in the team, or having done what was asked, being left standing out in the cold, just what is a player meant to do?
ItÃ‚s clear several players he wants rid off but is not being straight with them. Leaves you feeling a little lacking in trust with him, I think.
135 Posted 01/06/2015 at 14:02:09
Rich vein of form? Lost the last 3 before they played us, 4-1, 1-0 and 3-1.
Why is it Hilarious Jim? Did he put in such a performance to help us win? No, we lost.
"Your whole argument though, ostensibly that Mirallas is some kind of flat-track bully, makes no sense." Ã‚â€“ No, what makes no sense is that statement; my whole point is that he is not as good as he thinks he is and his goals tally is not all that impressive when you look into it closely.
136 Posted 01/06/2015 at 14:56:13
And, as I pointed out, you havenÃ‚t looked at his goal tally closely. He had 11 goals Ã‚â€“ 2 of those have come against the second best team in the Bundesliga, and 3 against 3 of the top six in the league. ThatÃ‚s 5 goals against very good sides.
Please explain Ã‚â€“ what exactly were you hoping to find? That Mirallas had only scored goals against top sides? Both his goals against Newcastle and West Ham were away from home, when Newcastle and West Ham were playing much better than at the end of the season (both were above us in the table I believe). His proportion of goals against good sides, which seems to be the peculiar line you are following, is more than acceptable.
As I have previously mentioned, the vast majority of players will score the majority of goals against poorer sides in the division. As it happens, IÃ‚d argue strongly that 5 of his 11 goals were against superior sides, whilst West Ham and West Brom both finished within 3 points of us.
As I have said: your argument is nonsensical. You are relying on a thesis which is clearly flawed. I completely disagree with the concept of your argument in the first place, but if you are going to make it, it should at least be consistent. Yours is not. Mirallas, as it happens, scored against some good teams and did not fill his boots against the chaff in the league.
No-one here is arguing that Mirallas is as good as he thinks it, but he is clearly an effective goal scorer. His ratio of goals is far better than the rest of our wide men, as AndyÃ‚s post relate.
So please, tell me again, what was the point of your post? And please do not say it was to argue because Ã‚he is not as good as he thinks he isÃ‚ as no one is saying that, and that certainly was not the point of AndyÃ‚s post.
IÃ‚d also agree with Christine. We cannot determine the truth of what Mirallas said, but clearly Martinez has failed to keep a lid on issues this season. The EtoÃ‚o saga was a joke, and Distin was seemingly treated poorly. He has failed to keep a lid on discontent, and it was made known that the players were unhappy with the style of play they were being made to play. We all hoped that Martinez could retain the Moyes-era defensive ability, and introduce a progressive style of attacking football and management which could improve us (or at least maintain our level and win us a cup).
I think there are real fears that he could be more stubborn than Moyes, and conceal it with the exaggerated positivity he promotes, which at times strikes me as dishonesty. I fear and expect he will turn out to be just as stubborn, but Ã‚â€“ unlike Moyes Ã‚â€“ will fail to improve us in the process.
138 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:39:39
Make him a fair offer. If the answerÃ‚s no, offload him outside the Premier League. He is too high-maintenance.
This was fine when he was scoring goals and creating chances but too often he is a passenger these days Ã‚â€“ and he seems to ignore his supposed Belgian international team mate whenever he can.
139 Posted 02/06/2015 at 11:12:26
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