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Report: Everton in talks with Cleverley

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Everton have resumed negotiations with midfielder Tom Cleverley regarding a switch to Goodison Park, according to the Liverpool Echo.

Cleverley's contract at Manchester United expires this summer and, with the 25-year-old surplus to requirements under Louis van Gaal, he is almost certain to leave Old Trafford.

Everton came very close to securing the midfielder on a season-long loan on transfer deadline day last summer but the move collapsed at the last minute allowing Aston Villa to step in and acquire him on the same terms.

Cleverley made 30 Premier League appearances for the Midlanders this past season as well as featuring in their run to the FA Cup Final which ended in a 4-0 defeat at Wembley on Saturday.

He is likely to be one of the players Villa boss Tim Sherwood would wish to keep around as he rebuilds for next season and Cleverley has admitted that it would be difficult to leave but Roberto Martinez has made no secret of his admiration for a player with whom he worked at Wigan Athletic.

Cleverley spent a spell on loan with the Latics in 2010 and Martinez wants to rekindle that relationship by persuading the Basingstoke-born player to join the Blues.

In addition to Villa, Arsenal and Southampton are credited with interest in him and the Echo report that Cleverley is hoping to make his decision known within the next two weeks.  

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Brian Harrison
1 Posted 01/06/2015 at 16:40:41
I posted here yesterday that having heard Sherwood say he had told certain players they were no longer wanted at Villa, then RM would be on the phone for Cleverley. Today the Liverpool Echo is saying we are in talks with Cleverley, and seeing RM had him at Wigan there is a good chance he will choose to come to Everton.

Another sideways backward player who always looks for the safe pass, possibly the last thing we need. But looking at RMs style with Besic,Barry and now possibly Cleverley who would want to play up front waiting for any of these to play a forward pass.

David Hallwood
3 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:08:09
IÂ’m the biggest cynic about transfer rumours, but that being said, the Echo are usually pretty accurate. Not too sure about this, but at least weÂ’re getting business early.
Eugene Kearney
4 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:12:08
IÂ’d prefer Lennon...
Alexander O'Brien
5 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:11:51
Bring the lad in. HeÂ’s young, hungry and his birds fit!
David Chait
6 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:10:39
Another head in the over inflated central midfield ... But he is free! But surely canÂ’t fit him in and McCarthy Barry Besic and Gibson. Then Barkley too in the mix. Sounds indecisive to me. I would want to see someone exit if itÂ’s the case.
Colin Glassar
7 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:13:57
Barry and Gibson arenÂ’t going to last forever David. Take those two out of the equation and we arenÂ’t that strong there.
Brian Keenan
8 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:15:25
I believe it is nonsense.
Jon Withey
11 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:24:18
I thought he was in love with Sherwood? Unless he desperately wants to prove himself, this seems a bit like Aiden McGeady Â’FreeÂ’.
Geoffrey Risebrow
12 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:36:47
I donÂ’t want him!
Mike Allison
13 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:40:00
I donÂ’t understand the Cleverley hate. Many of our most successful signings have been of this type, a promising youngster doesnÂ’t quite live up to their potential then finds a home at Everton. Arteta and Pienaar spring instantly to mind.

Cleverley has talent and a lot to prove, as well as having played in a variety of midfield roles in different formations. This also looks like itÂ’s more than just a silly season rumour, so the idea that Evertonians would be getting on a playerÂ’s back at the first opportunity with a nasty Â’told-you-soÂ’ type attitude really worries me.

Darren Hind
14 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:42:58
Me neither, He wont improve us. Rather take a few more punts on potential
Tom Edwards
15 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:43:18
Villa can keep him for me. I watched the Cup Final on Saturday and he was gash. Mind you, the entire Villa team were! Smacks of another ex Wigan journeyman joining the ranks.
Darren Hind
17 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:45:21
Hate??? Where?

More bogeymen under the bed...

Colin Glassar
18 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:48:38
Cleverly, Dann, Muntari, Vlaar, Lennon etc....are all a bit insipid arenÂ’t they?
Jim Bennings
19 Posted 01/06/2015 at 18:58:58
IÂ’m neither totally against the lad Cleverley nor am I in total favour of signing him.

IÂ’d be doing my nut if I thought we were wasting another ٥ million on a relatively uninspiring central midfielder but as people say, for free heÂ’s a England international (not that it actually means much these dayÂ’s) and itÂ’s always possible he could find form, when you consider our midfield is hardly dynamic at present.

I say just get it done and dusted as soon as possible one way or another, letÂ’s not have it drag on like the Gareth Barry saga last summer.

All I will say though is I hope this isnÂ’t the "creative Number 10" that Martinez has been talking about.

Joe McMahon
20 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:05:49
Alexander OÂ’Brien (4) "Bring the lad in. HeÂ’s young, hungry and his birdÂ’s fit!" ItÂ’s 2015 and itÂ’s not a Bernhard Manning fan site.

For what itÂ’s worth, IÂ’d rather we not sign him either. Maybe Ross is leaving?

Stephen Brown
21 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:05:42
In my opinion, we need to be taking a few punts on prospects from abroad rather than over rated, over hyped and over priced players from the UK eg Dann, Cleverly even Lennon.

IÂ’m sure RM was praised for having access to the Spanish market but that doesnÂ’t seem to be happening? There must be good players to be had in Holland, Portugal etc. We canÂ’t go shopping in Harrods therefore need to be looking for bargains in Lidls!

Brian Keenan
25 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:12:12
Peter Murray
26 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:06:37
This is great news. Cleverley is a young, underrated, international class midfield player who would be brilliant alongside Ross.

Conclude this one asap, Roberto.

Tony Foxwell
27 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:17:23
Hope we sign Lennon, Cleverley, Bakary and Dijk.
Tom Evans
28 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:11:16
Is this the same player, who after a half decent game against the Shite in the semi, forgot about his season long overtones towards us saying he wanted to work with Sherwood.

Having been brought down to earth with a massive bang suddenly the love affair is back on.

Jon Withey
29 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:16:16
HeÂ’s not free, we need to pay him wages and wages are our biggest outlay.

Â’FreeÂ’ is promoting a youngster to the first team - and even then youÂ’d probably have to increase his wage.

In fact, itÂ’s likely that the wages will be higher with a Bosman - exactly because there is no transfer fee.

Then weÂ’ll wonder in a years time why we canÂ’t shell out ١million on a prospect - itÂ’s because Clevz is raking in enough to use up a senior wage slot and then some.

Patrick Murphy
30 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:18:23
If we lose McCarthy and I wouldn’t rule that out entirely then Cleverly may be the right player to replace him, in the managers eyes at least and there have been rumours that McCarthy is still miffed at contract talks – unsubstantiated rumours as always.
Jon Withey
31 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:29:56
Assumedly Besic and Barry could cover for McCarthy. I suspect Cleverly is more of an Osman replacement.
Michael Winstanley
32 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:05:24
Get in! Welcome Tom.
Ex-Wigan, youÂ’re going to be loved on here mate.

I hope we get him, on a free? Phenomenal bit of business.
Hopefully he is the Â’plus maybe one moreÂ’.

Eugene Ruane
33 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:25:42
Alexander OÂ’Brien (4) - "Bring the lad in. He's young, hungry and his birds fit!"

His birds fit into what?

(DidnÂ’t even know he kept birds.)

Jamie Barlow
34 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:38:42
No brainer for me. If heÂ’s shit, sell him next year.
Shane Corcoran
35 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:36:54
One thing that signing Cleverley and/or Lennon gives you is not having to wait for them to bed in to the league as you would expect with a young lad coming from a different league.

I think itÂ’s an often overlooked plus.

I havenÂ’t seen enough of him to pass judgement but I do wonder how Martinez sees all these central players fitting in.

I mean weÂ’re not in Europe next year and he seems to play Barry every week so when do they all play, and thatÂ’s even allowing for Gibson only playing maybe a quarter of the season.

Brian Porter
37 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:46:10
No more Wigan connections, please. Lennon yes, Cleverly no.
Jim Bennings
38 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:39:56
Stephen Brown

IÂ’m not sure where MartinezÂ’s scouts are in Spain really, since the promising early capture of Gerard Deulofeu we have done nothing there.

It's worth remembering though that Martinez has basically lived and worked in Britain, mainly Northern England, since 1995 so should he really have that much knowledge of the continent?

Most of MartinezÂ’s forays into Europe have been a letdown thus far.

IÂ’m amazed we never get any technically gifted South American players here at Everton, like ChileanÂ’s etc..
Nothing on the Stracq but even though he was a trier he made Brian Deane look like Pele.

We need better scouts all over.

Phil Walling
39 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:51:03
Suspect one of McCarthy or Barkley is on his way, thus creating a vacancy in that cluttered midfield. Barry is Â’indispensableÂ’ so weÂ’ll have to sell one of the younger players. Thus we will progress towards Â’an experienced sideÂ’.
Stephen Brown
40 Posted 01/06/2015 at 19:54:46
I agree Jim. We need to be looking further afield to pick up the gems we need! South America is a good shout!
Cleverly, Dann , Lennon et al are over priced average players.
Colin Gee
41 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:01:33
He might of been crap in the Cup Final on Saturday but he bossed the midfield at Villa Park when Villa beat us the other month.

I havenÂ’t seen enough of him to jump on the Â’Cleverley is crapÂ’ bandwagon though...

Mark Pierpoint
42 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:10:26
South America always sounds like a good tout but itÂ’s often a difficult market due to work permits (what the government and FA are attempting to make harder now) and the myriad of third-party ownership.
Dave Ganley
43 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:00:29
Nobody hates Cleverly, I wish people would stop using this description when they disagree with someoneÂ’s point of view. Same as nobody hates Martinez when making a point against him.

In my humble opinion, Cleverly is just not good enough, he certainly wont improve us, especially if, as some think, he is coming to replace McCarthy. When we got hammered by Villa the other week and a lot of people were saying how great Cleverly and Grealish were. I did state at the time that playing against us is no barometer to how good a player is. On Saturday against a proper team they were showed up to be exactly what they are... average. He is certainly no better than anything we have so with money being scarce I wouldnÂ’t want to waste any on Cleverly.

Like others, I would like to see us take a punt on some unknown, although as others have alluded to, our scouting network seems to have dried up.

And as for comparing Cleverly with Arteta and Pienaar......FFS....really????

Pete Edwards
44 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:10:55
Just saying but he scored 3 goals last season for Villa........ that's more than... McCarthy.

Shouldnt be relied on for goals but not according to others on TW
Lennon - ok, a winger and didnÂ’t probably play as many as Cleverley so maybe not the best comparison

Granted not all are/have been renowned for their goalscoring exploits and IÂ’m no way saying 3 goals a season for a midfielder is acceptable but interesting non the less

Jay Harris
45 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:09:32
Don't know what happened to the extended hols at the World Cup last year but Martinez is yet to prove to me he can bring in quality.

His signings have been total shit or overpaid for. He is rapidly turning us into Wigan which appears to be his level. He wouldnÂ’t know a top 4 player if it stared him in the face.

Paul Tran
46 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:17:56
We have at least eight ageing players to replace in the next couple of years, so they wonÂ’t all be world beaters.

I got the the impression he wanted to come here last summer, so at least thereÂ’ll be one player who wants to play for Martinez!

IÂ’ll judge him on what he does on the pitch. If Martinez plays him put of position in an unbalanced team, heÂ’s got no chance.

Jim Bennings
47 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:23:13
I look back at some of the players that almost but never quite joined us from South America and instantly the mind goes to Juan Roman Riquelme ,I wonder was he ever actually at Speke Airport?? I just wonder as if he was playing out Europe at that time I doubt heÂ’d arrive via Speke as its not a International Airport.

Then of course there was the work permit for a certain Ever Banega about 6 yearÂ’s ago, who actually has turned out as a pretty decent player from what I see.

Who can forget Muller and that woefully ill-advised red blazer??

Jo... the less said the better.

I recall a guy named Rodrigo, who Moyes brought here on loan in his first year, he looked pretty decent until as per usual he suffered a season ending injury in August.

Can anyone remember any others?

IÂ’d love to think we could find a new technician playmaker from that part of the world as they seem to possess a similar hunger, workrate and love of just playing football as British players only much more supremely gifted.

Jim Bennings
48 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:34:23

Just found that Riquelme was at Villarreal at that time he was "seen at Speke Airport"...

So maybe he was.

Kevin Tully
49 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:28:19
WeÂ’re mooching around the scrap pile for free signings. I would expect most posters on here would understand why this is.

Are any of the other top six sides (who we are expected to be competing with) picking up a large percentage of their squad on free, or nominal fee signings?

Osman, Pienaar, Hibbert, Alcaraz, Distin and Howard are all either going, or on their way out. Most of them will be replaced with free agents, or players out of favour elsewhere.

The manager may not want these players if he had a choice, but letÂ’s give a free pass to the bunch of incompetent fools who have led us to stagnation on an epic scale? No wonder Kenwright, Woods, Earl & Green are laughing.

Pete Edwards
50 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:36:35
Jim, wasnÂ’t Segundo Castillo South American (Ecuadorian)?

Less said the better though...

Dave Ganley
51 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:59:56
Do remember Castillo's only goal for us being a cracker... I think it was in a European tie.
Clive Rogers
52 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:54:50
Our sights are set so low nowadays. Not looking forward to next season at all.
Christy Ring
53 Posted 01/06/2015 at 20:33:09
IÂ’d take him on a free to replace Barry but, more importantly, Bob has to give McCarthy the contract he should have got last summer, but he was more worried about renegotiating HowardÂ’s, NaismithÂ’s and BarryÂ’s contracs. We have to keep him at all costs.
Jim Bennings
54 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:04:50
Yep, guys, IÂ’d totally forgotten about "old tree trunk thighs" Segundo Castillo.

He was Ecuadorian, yes, and the goal was against Standard Liege , a cracking volley in an eventually doomed draw.

A bit of a non-entity other than that.

Aidy Dews
55 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:18:53
I donÂ’t think heÂ’s that bad, although I donÂ’t think heÂ’s great but he could be a work in progress. HeÂ’s at a good age, on a free and would add depth to the squad.
Clive Rogers
56 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:27:30
HeÂ’s 26 in August so should really be established.
Ross Edwards
57 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:33:40
Scott Dann, Tom Cleverley and Aaron Lennon. A mid table club like Stoke would be happy with those signings. And apparently thereÂ’s another link with Sulley Muntari.

Just uninspiring, middle of the road. Those signings wouldnÂ’t add any quality or excitement to the squad. DonÂ’t get me wrong Lennon did well, but would I pay ٤-8m for him? No.

As for Cleverley, in the Cup final he was awful and was essentially a safe crab, something RM obviously likes.

John Malone
58 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:37:44
The lad is shite otherwise Man Utd wouldnÂ’t be letting him go for nothing... say no more!
Dean Adams
59 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:40:52
Yeah, cos freebees are always crap!!!!!
Malc Kitchen
60 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:17:15
Mike (13), Jamie (34), Jim (38) & Clive (52) all very true! Cleverly had 3 very good games all season, the 2nd against us, before that & the last 3 games totally anonymous (shite really). So IÂ’d rather have Defore, cheer sulky Kev up! Moyes is thinking of sending Finnbogason out on-loan; to get game time & he prefers us. I hope this comes off, he's an excellent striker!!
Kunal Desai
61 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:42:14
If Cleverley is the lesser of 3 or 4 signings we are supposedly meant to be making, IÂ’ll accept that. If heÂ’s meant to be our midfield general along with other signings on par with him the aim of a top 6 finish will have well and truely gone even before the season has begun.
Stephen O'Donnell
62 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:48:25
Cleverley... Scott Dann. I give up now if all are true. I hope these are just silly summer rumours...
Andy Crooks
63 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:48:25
We apparently cannot afford quality. This leaves limited options: bring through young players, sign potential or look for players who have not lived up to early promise and hope to find the spark that might rejuvenate them.

In my view, Cleverly is a decent enough player who, in the right environment and circumstances might just have much more to offer. We are not talking about a huge risk here.

Dave Williams
64 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:44:12
Jim – agreed, Banega looked a class player. Great shame we didn’t get him. Most of our overseas players have been poor – Hottiger, Rehn, Atteveld, Nyarko, Alexandersson – even Gravesen was very hit-and-miss apart from his final season.

It is noticeable that our only good foreign lads were bought by Moyes – Cahill, Pienaar, Arteta – I’d say Dacourt was the only decent one before them.

Dave Williams
65 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:03:17
ps: Cleverley for free is a no-brainer – we need to lower the age of the squad without weakening it and he would do that. Never a world beater but will always do a decent solid job.
Jim Bennings
66 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:03:02
Yes, Dave, IÂ’d pretty much agree with that.

IÂ’d possibly add Materazzi to the successes, maybe not at Everton but he certainly made good winning the World Cup in 2006; he was classy but nobody stayed long at Everton in the late 90s.

IÂ’d most definitely include Kanchelskis as a major success, even though again it was short-lived; we saw the best of him and sold him for a profit.

Limpar?? Yes, because he played a huge part winning the 1995 FA Cup.

Jamie Sweet
67 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:54:47
We are very quick to label someone "shite" on here despite not having seen a player play week-in & week-out (unless you all religiously watched 30-odd Villa games this season).

On a free, a young midfielder with a dozen international caps, and a player that Sir Alex considered so shite, he played him in over 30 games during his final season in charge?

But yeah, heÂ’s shite because, well he just is, and because he played a few games for Wigan, and because weÂ’re Everton and we should be signing a squad of world beaters for 㿊m a pop.

Reality check needed for some I think.

Dick Fearon
68 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:12:05
Jim B, 38, I had to chuckle when a Twebber commenting on Jo said,

Â’Of all the thousands of Brazilians in world football, we signed the only one who canÂ’t dribble.Â’

Jim Bennings
69 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:12:40
Possibly you could include Yakubu, Saha and Distin in the success category?
Dave Williams
70 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:15:31

Forgot about them, Jim. Areed, Materazzi could have been good had he stayed and of course the two wingers were very good on their day.

I remember watching Li Tie on his home debut and he looked class but then quickly went downhill. Radzinski was another who didnÂ’t do badly (we can go on all night with this!!) and I thought Pistone was a good player when he was fully fit (but wasnÂ’t very often).

Philip Bunting
71 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:20:31
Get him in. Worth ٢M in transfer value at least. If he don't work out sell plus he's younger and seems mainly injury free. No-brainer.
Patrick Murphy
72 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:24:25
Lukaku, Mirallas, Yobo, Howard, Jelavic, Felliani, Pistone, Valente were all pretty successful at Goodison.
Peter Fearon
73 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:30:38
I will take Cleverley over Barry any day of the week but I fear the way we savage players on here sometimes will not help his shattered confidence. By the way, Cleverley also took the Sun for a bucket of cash in a libel suit. Nice one, Tom!

Harold Matthews
74 Posted 01/06/2015 at 21:02:44
I like Cleverley. His movement off the ball reminds me of Frank Lampard. Indeed, round about the time he scored that great goal against our leaden-footed, half-asleep defence, he followed up in another match with a goal which called for a burst of acceleration at exactly the right moment. An intelligent lad, he might do okay in the Pienaar role where he would help Baines as well as getting himself in the box when we attack down the right.

It seems that Martinez at Swansea, Wigan and Everton, Brenda across the park and Sherwood at Villa, have all found out that it is essential to surround yourself with people you can trust, and that includes players. Alcaraz, Kone and McGeady may not be the best in the world but, unlike one or two team-mates, they never down tools. McCarthy will run till he drops. So will Besic. So too, I suspect, will Cleverley.

Martinez has suffered heavy defeats. Brenda and Sherwood have now had a taste of it. Players with big reputations dropping their shoulders and giving up. Players who are not proud of the shirt. "If only players came with their character stamped on the forehead", mused Big Sam after his team took a walloping.

So, with this in mind, IÂ’m prepared to let Martinez get on with it whilst realizing some acquisitions are not wholly his idea. The Lukaku investment scenario had "upstairs" written all over it and Martinez has never attempted to give the lad the kind of service he thrives on. In Europe perhaps but not in the League. Strange days indeed.

Barry Stevens
75 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:17:19
This would be a brilliant signing for us. The guy is technically sound, two-footed, and contrary to what the majority think, can pick a forward defence splitting pass. He has Premier League experience and has been involved in international football.

The lad's biggest hindrance has been over expectations on his shoulders. After Alex Ferguson's comments in regards to him being potentially England's best midfielder, the Old Trafford faithful were expecting a new Beckham, Ronaldo etc. He's not that type of player.

Add to that the decline in Man Utd's fortunes, the fans did what they do at all clubs all over the world. He became a scapegoat. Then more people whoÂ’ve not really watched him play jump on the bandwagon, which resulted in the ridiculous petition for the World Cup squad.

If we do sign the lad, give him a chance. You may end up pleasantly surprised.

Jim Bennings
77 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:37:40
Not too sure IÂ’d really say Valente was very successful in his Everton career, was pretty blighted by injuries. He was a fine player but we saw him after his best years.

IÂ’d class the likes of Valente, Bilyaletdinov, Van Der Meyde, Royston "Red Bull" Drenthe all in the category of "what might have been".

They all had sublime talent or were at the wrong stage of their careers when at Everton and if they had shown their best, then we could have had a mighty decent side.

Gavin McGarvey
78 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:14:01
Cleverley is okay but, like a lot of the other signings we are linked with, he is a little uninspiring (as others have noted). That being said, so was McCarthy, and Gibson too and both are now regarded highly by most of us.

The thing that all these players lack though is goals. ThatÂ’s the trick. If Martinez can bring in someone who can score or create a lot of goals, then weÂ’ll have something to get excited about. What is Riquelme doing these days?

Phil Walling
79 Posted 01/06/2015 at 22:59:47
Cleverley another Lampard... my arse! He scores once every 10 or so games whilst the London boy was on the mark in a third of the 600 games he notched up!

As for Â’his running off the ballÂ’, weÂ’ve got quite enough of those experts, thank you!

James Stewart
80 Posted 01/06/2015 at 23:04:52
Inevitable. Another crab just cleaning up the dregs of even the freebies.
Colin Williams
81 Posted 01/06/2015 at 23:01:13
Great signing for the blues. Excellent midfield player, great age, plenty of experience and a desire to get back into the England squad and prove people wrong.
James Marshall
82 Posted 01/06/2015 at 23:07:32
It isnÂ’t about having sights set low, itÂ’s about reality. WeÂ’re not a top club anymore, and havenÂ’t been for years so players like Dann, an ageing Muntari, and Cleverley are about our limit now. Forget Deulofeu, or Nolito, theyÂ’re out of reach for us.

WeÂ’re a mid-table club with ideas above our station because we were quite good 30 years ago. People need to realise it and stop torturing themselves with Â’yer istoryÂ’.

Everton are not a big club anymore, those days are long gone, the ship has sailed, start bailing.

Tom Bowers
83 Posted 01/06/2015 at 23:10:35
Absolutely no way he would improve this squad.

I have seen him many times and he is just average with no pace. I saw him do nothing in the Cup Final on Saturday.

Gibson is a much better player when heÂ’s fit as is Pienaar. WouldnÂ’t begin to compare him to Besic, McCarthy or Barkley.

Jamie Sweet
84 Posted 01/06/2015 at 23:14:16
Taken from Wikipedia:

"On 12 October 2012, playing against San Marino in a World Cup qualifier, Cleverley made 165 touches during the game, the highest ever recorded for an England player".

Martinez would sign him on that stat alone!

Steavey Buckley
85 Posted 01/06/2015 at 23:40:23
To be fair to Martinez about slagging off his connections whenever an ex-Wigan player is mentioned, he was forced to sell off his best players all the time to keep the chairman happy. And if had kept all the players, Wigan would not have been relegated when they won the FA Cup in the same season.
Eric Myles
86 Posted 01/06/2015 at 23:56:56
Jim #47, doesnÂ’t Oviedo count as South American?
Andy Crooks
87 Posted 02/06/2015 at 00:30:19
I bow to no-one in glass empty, negative, cynicism. Yet, to me, signing Cleverley would be a sound move.

HeÂ’s not Lampard but neither has anyone in our team for the last 15 years been. He is not far short of being very good and, with our coachÂ’s record of improving players, I think ...err ... Our new coach at Christmas will get the best from him.

Paul Kelly
88 Posted 02/06/2015 at 00:39:39
Underwhelmed by this one but will judge him on his performances.

Do you reckon we could have a midfield five at some point of : Cleverley (left) Besic (right) Barry, McCarthey and Gibson in the middle?

Phil Sammon
89 Posted 02/06/2015 at 01:05:03
I actually think heÂ’s a decent player... itÂ’s just so depressing that Martinez is limiting himself to former Wigan players. It seems so unimaginative.

When will we sign a player that I havenÂ’t heard of? Surely with all the dosh we spend on scouting, we should be picking up a few unheard of gems.

Mark Andersson
90 Posted 02/06/2015 at 01:14:34
James Marshall sums it up. What ever happened to, "We are Everton, we are better than that"?

I hate Martinez after last season, but he is our manager. He doesnÂ’t have the funds like the Redshite to waste.

So, if we do get Tom Cleverley, give the lad a chance. Who knows... Martinez could be the genius some believe he is.

Victor Yu
91 Posted 02/06/2015 at 02:21:03
He did play quite well under RM before so I would say give it a go!
Jamie Sweet
92 Posted 02/06/2015 at 02:46:15
Phil. There are lots and lots of players we havenÂ’t heard of. And for the most part, there is a good reason why we havenÂ’t heard of them!
Michael Penley
93 Posted 02/06/2015 at 03:08:59
Jamie, you might have said the same thing about Tim Cahill before he came to us. The only way to achieving when youÂ’re low on cash is to develop unknown youngsters, not snapping up expensive and/or highly salaried players who are already developed. You can do a bit of both, but I havenÂ’t seen any evidence Roberto is able to do the former at all.
Paul Ward
94 Posted 02/06/2015 at 02:46:55
I was going to say it does not matter who we sign. Because Martinez will prevent any form of recovery with his insane style of management. But (Andy Crooks 87) comment puts things in better perspective.
Ryan Rosenberg
95 Posted 02/06/2015 at 03:23:18
I would rather give Ledson a go. We really donÂ’t need another central midfielder.
Colin Williams
96 Posted 02/06/2015 at 03:29:06
Ryan# 95....,great point, but I also believe bringing Cleverly to the club can bring forward LedsonÂ’s future development towards the first team.
Matt Traynor
97 Posted 02/06/2015 at 04:18:21
ItÂ’s not a signing to get us excited, but realistically, what do you expect?

We have had, for a number of years, a squad that is too small to compete on all fronts. Hence last season we struggled with the Europa League games, and bombed out of the domestic cups somewhat earlier than we wouldÂ’ve liked.

ItÂ’s a fine balance, having a big squad and rotating some players. WeÂ’re also losing some at the end of their contracts, and have a couple of perma-crocks, plus some who arenÂ’t getting younger and will need replacing.

If CleverlyÂ’s the only main signing, IÂ’d be worried. But if heÂ’s one of several; no biggie.

Ash Coakley
98 Posted 02/06/2015 at 06:00:43
He is 25 and meets British quota, an England international who has potential that is not being realised. Why not sign, and sell in 12 months if it doesnÂ’t work out. He will have suiters.

My only concern is him being one of the Â’3 or 4Â’ we are intending to sign... I believed it to be CB, two wingers and a Â’Number 10Â’. He doesnÂ’t fit any of those areas.

Personally, I would bring him in and sell Gibson; as much as I rate him, he costs much more per available game than Cleverley would. But we still need those ’3 or 4’ as well.... (plus a keeper & striker – but don’t get me started).

Terence Leong
99 Posted 02/06/2015 at 02:53:38
As a free transfer, one whose reputation needs rebuilding (meaning costs wise, the club has the bargaining power), itÂ’s a good buy.

Some say that heÂ’s no improvement to what we have. Well, we at least need bodies and back-ups (Barry wonÂ’t last too much longer).

Like McGeady, we probably wonÂ’t be spending too much, and if it doesnÂ’t work out, the transfer kitty is not too affected.

Some would argue that with free transfers, there is a the hidden signing on fees and higher wages. Well, thatÂ’s part of the package for everyone whoÂ’s a free agent.

Looking at the amount of stick that Lukaku is taking (many arguing that we blew the whole transfer budget on one player), it will be better off for everyone involved that nobody gets stuck with a huge transfer fee.

Unfortunately, for the big club that we are, we will be shopping for basement bargains for a good while more to come.

I say we go for it, and keep the gunpowder dry for other signings.

Karl Jones
100 Posted 02/06/2015 at 07:06:42
Would be another poor signing and a backwards step. Kone, McGeady, Alcaraz, Cleverly. These are Martinez players and they are taking EFC in only one direction.
Sam Hoare
101 Posted 02/06/2015 at 08:09:50
Karl, Cleverley is about 5 years younger than most of those players and has the potential to be better than all of them.

HeÂ’s no world beater and I donÂ’t think he offers the creativity that we desperately need but heÂ’s not a bad player and not significantly worse than Barry or maybe even McCarthy who we paid 㾹M for.

I have no problem bringing him in so long as we get other players who are going to actually push us forward and add some incision and movement in the final third.

Lee Jamieson
102 Posted 02/06/2015 at 08:11:14
Brian KeenanÂ’s posted article is an interesting read. I note it was published before Sherwood had settled in at Villa.

I think Cleverley has been unlucky in the clubs and managers he has had. He was clearly developing well under Fergie and also Martinez. He was the scapegoat for Man Utd under Moyes and then played under Lambert at Villa who were one of the most negative and poorly set-up sides for most of the season. He started scoring under Sherwood who played a more attacking style at Villa and clearly he won Sherwood over.

I think he has to be worth a punt; if he doesnÂ’t settle in after a season, move him on for half a million to a promoted side as he is still only young. I agree with others who say he is a replacement for Ossie.

Another bonus is that he stays fit having played 30 games for villa in a tough season so he is not another Gibbo or Kone.

Dave Pritchard
103 Posted 02/06/2015 at 08:38:44
I agree with Sam at 101.

I canÂ’t help thinking that at least one of Gibson, McCarthy, Besic, Barry, Barkley or Pienaar will be leaving if Cleverley comes in. These players are all on longish contracts? Only McCarthy would be really in demand by other clubs from that list unless someone wants to take a chance on Ross.

Eddie Dunn
104 Posted 02/06/2015 at 08:45:09
Cleverley played well for England, with nice little (Osman-style) passes in and around the box. He has a brain, and is mobile, and on a free, is surely worth a punt.

We may be pleasantly surprised.

Andrew Ellams
105 Posted 02/06/2015 at 08:44:31
If he comes to Everton, his time will be a hit or miss depending on the role that Martinez has in mind for him. If itÂ’s a deep defensive role and I was Tom Cleverley, I would tell him to shove it.
Jim Potter
106 Posted 02/06/2015 at 09:12:10
Will he improve us? No.

Will he excite us? No.

Should we sign him? No.

Harold Matthews
107 Posted 02/06/2015 at 09:10:36
Agree Andrew. Sherwood said he should be scoring more goals and weÂ’ll need to play him in a position where he can do that.
Brin Williams
108 Posted 02/06/2015 at 09:22:20
Harold (#74) – As always, a constructive appraisal of the situation.
Harold Matthews
111 Posted 02/06/2015 at 09:31:28
Cheers Brin. Phil W (#79) had his usual whine but I love the bloke. Always true to form.

I just listened to Martinez on the Official Site. Said we had found all the people we would like to sign and, with no International summer tournaments, things should be more straightforward. Some will come in early, some will come very late.

Steve King
112 Posted 02/06/2015 at 09:47:26
I understand people's reservations about his quality and about whether he adds anything to the squad... but, given that we have one of the oldest squads in the league and Cleverley is available on a free, I see this as a zero risk acquisition surely?

He’s no spring chicken but he isn't mid to late thirties either. If it doesn’t work out, then we sell him for a small profit, à la Jermaine Beckford.

Patrick Murphy
113 Posted 02/06/2015 at 09:57:40
Harold, I would read that as we’ll get the free or cheap players that we want in early – the ones who may cost money will have to wait until the Sky money arrives.

I love the way our club is run – it makes everything so dull and exciting all at the same time.

Phil Walling
114 Posted 02/06/2015 at 10:26:34
Stevey @85; you seem to have your dates confused in saying Wigan wouldnÂ’t have been relegated if Martinez hadnÂ’t been required to sell off his best players.

As I recall, Robles, Alcaraz, Kone and McCarthy (and about a dozen coaches and trainers) moved to Everton AFTER their club was relegated not BEFORE.

Of course, they did win that bloody cup we hear so much about. So that explains why the whole mob are here!

Jim Bennings
115 Posted 02/06/2015 at 10:50:59
Sometimes I wish we still had Jermaine Beckford here!!!
Nick Entwistle
116 Posted 02/06/2015 at 10:54:19
Ten years ago in January we sold Gravesen to Madrid and brought in Arteta.

Nothing against Tom, but is this as good as it gets this summer?

Karl Masters
117 Posted 02/06/2015 at 10:38:37
I just want to see a Midfielder who can play a defence-splitting forward pass. I used to see that quite often, but nowadays itÂ’s all sideways and backwards.

Ross did it once in that dreadful game against Spurs the other week and gave Mirallas a golden chance that he wasted. It was the only time we remotely looked like scoring all match.

If Cleverley can do that, then welcome. If not, we are left with only Osman and Pienaar who can do it, but they are fast running out of time... or Ross, but Ross seems all confused when I see him play these days. Maybe he doesnÂ’t get what Martinez is trying to do? Then again, I donÂ’t either!

Andrew Ellams
119 Posted 02/06/2015 at 10:55:25
Because, of course, Phil they were the only players sold or released by Wigan from Martinez's time at the club – Valencia, Rodellega, Moses, N’Zogbia and Diame being some of the more prominent.
Jim Knightley
120 Posted 02/06/2015 at 11:02:01

Cleverley does not play defence-splitting passes. I donÂ’t just say that as a subjective thing: look at the stats. His proportion of key passes are not great, and he has managed 2 assists in 3 seasons of league football (67 starts). ItÂ’s a pathetic representation of his inability to play the deadly pass.

I’m completely with Karl – I claimed earlier in the season that Osman or Pienaar would improve us markedly because our style of football necessitates one or more creative midfielders. Having genuinely talented passers would make us look a lot less impotent than we have appeared. It’s Martinez's fault of course: why has he not brought in another creative presence? Or why has he continued to play in a certain way in the absence of those creative players?

I want Martinez gone, but IÂ’m resigned to him getting a second chance. If he does not purchase a creative midfielder in the summer then that second chance should expire. Our whole style of play depends on it.

Every good football team in the world should have a creative midfielder. Chelsea have Fab and Hazard, Man City have Silva and Nasri, Arsenal have Ozil, Caz (and others) and Man Utd have Di Maria and Mata. Liverpool have Coutinho and Lallana, Spurs have Eriksen, Southampton have Tadic, Swansea have Sigurdsson and Stoke have Bojan (more attacking, but works as a creative spark).

The only team in the top 10 to not have one is Palace, and their game is based utterly around pace and power. They have also stuttered in several easy home games against Pardew because of that lack of creativity.

We need to find some, because it will not come from Barkley. Mirallas is our best bet, and he is too slow to find a pass and too direct. We need someone like Eriksen who can find a pass and dictate the speed of the play. He is also capable of playing from the left. We cannot rely on a 34-year-old and a 33-year-old with injury problems.

Oscar Huglin
121 Posted 02/06/2015 at 11:19:56
I don’t understand how people can be moaning about this – he’s a player of undeniable quality, no matter how overrated he was as a youngster, and he’s available on a free. This is a zero-risk acquisition that could potentially land us with a very valuable, high quality player.

Cleverley and McCarthy could genuinely be a good enough midfield pairing to bring back the solidarity we missed this season with an ageing Barry, and itÂ’s a partnership that could go on for years. Both are young, both are ambitious, and both want to play for Martinez.

I see this as a fantastic opportunity, and one that we should not let slip through our fingers. HeÂ’s on a FREE, for godÂ’s sake!

James Stewart
122 Posted 02/06/2015 at 11:25:21
@121 I think it's more a case of another uninspired signing, Oscar. Yes, Cleverley is not bad on his day, I suppose... but he is not even anywhere near the best free transfer out there.
Karl Masters
123 Posted 02/06/2015 at 11:29:35
Oscar - thereÂ’s a reason players are on a Free, mate!

Zero risk? No player is zero risk. Even if they play for nothing, the risk is that they are not good enough and we are risking losing points as a result, and actually that will cost you money as well in the League platings.

I confess that I donÂ’t know too much about Cleverley, but what I do know is that when I watched us last season we were boring as hell to watch most of the time, seemingly content to pass it around near the halfway line going nowhere, and often then giving the ball away.

We need a midfield that will look to bring the ball forward. I watched very carefully at the Emirates in March to see how two supposedly similar passing teams did things and what differences there were. The difference was bleeding obvious : When we had the ball, we tried to keep it, but usually passed it sideways or backwards. After twenty passes we usually hadnÂ’t moved forward at all. Arsenal, on the other hand, wanted to keep the ball, but were constantly looking for a forward pass, with off the ball runners aplenty.

As far as IÂ’m concerned, itÂ’s a mindset. The mindset comes from the Coach. HeÂ’s failed this season for the most part to get those playersÂ’ heads right.

I donÂ’t want to watch us at present. I went to the Spurs game the other week because an old friend who has moved to New Zealand was over for a funeral and it seemed like a good idea t o kill two birds with one stone. But, I didnÂ’t look forward to the match, and rightly so as it turned out as Spurs ran rings around us from the start to the end. And you know what? Every time they had the ball, they were looking to move it forward. Not lump it forward, maybe only a few yards at a time, whereas we seemed happy passing it around in our own half. At home as well.

ItÂ’s got to change.

Fran Mitchell
124 Posted 02/06/2015 at 11:52:01
Well, heÂ’ll replace Osman in at least one respect: no matter what he does, heÂ’s gonna get the blame for eveything bad that happens over the next 5 years.
Fran Mitchell
125 Posted 02/06/2015 at 11:54:26
Personally I think it is a good signing. Some on here like to shout Â’we are EvertonÂ’ as if this is some sort of secret password that gives unlimited money from banks.

The fact is, as some have mentioned, we are a team that hasnÂ’t won anything since 1995. Go to South America and hardly anyone knows who Everton are, never heard of us, donÂ’t matter what we did in the 1980Â’s. Football nowadays started 15 years ago, anything before that is ancient history, irrelevant.

We have, probably, about 15 million to spend. Our midfield has McCarthey, Besic, Barkley as the only decent players in their 20s. Then we have Osman, Pienaar and Barry in their mid 30s. We also have Gibson about 6/7 games a season. So we need another centre mid, but not so much that we want to waste our budget on one.

If we can get a decent defender for 4-6 million, then we can get our much needed no10 for 9-10. Add a loan and itÂ’s what we can expect with our conditions.

Cleverly was a highly talented, probably over-hyped, young player who fell by the wayside. This is the type we need, someone who has potential but whose rep has fallen so we can actually sign them.

People site the cup final. Well, I guess that means we should sack off half our team for free following our cup final showing. And any scouts who saw Barkley this season wouldnÂ’t offer more than 500k, and we should their hands off, no?

Villa were woeful, but apparently when their form improved Cleverly was an important player.

An exciting signing, no. But do all signings have to be exciting? HeÂ’s 25, heÂ’s decent and has potential to be realized, heÂ’s cheap and heÂ’s not a crock.

Good one, now go get that 4-6 million defender and then we can get excited about the no10 we sign for 10millioj or so.

Tony Abrahams
126 Posted 02/06/2015 at 12:06:53
Could be good, if he really wanted too, but IÂ’m not sure he needs it enough.

Just watched him play a FA Cup Final half hearted and is the reason I have come to this conclusion. I know Arsenal weÂ’re to good for Villa, but I only really saw Delphi trying to stem the tide. Cleverly was happy to play one-twos going nowhere and never tried to hurt Arsenal once.

Technically sound, IÂ’m just not sure heÂ’s got enough desire. maybe Martinez could get him going properly. Who knows?

Richard Reeves
127 Posted 02/06/2015 at 11:48:55
What is he, an attacking midfielder or a defensive midfielder?

If he’s a defensive midfielder, then we don’t need him – we’ve got McCarthy, Barry, Besic, Gibson and Ledson for that position.

If heÂ’s an attacking midfielder, weÂ’ve got enough of them who canÂ’t score already... and if weÂ’re looking for someone who can unlock defenses, itÂ’s not Cleverley.

I hope the lad signs for Villa, it would be a better fit for him and heÂ’s probably wanted more by their fans.

Jim Knightley
129 Posted 02/06/2015 at 12:34:16
I donÂ’t understand the logic that says we should be happy with Cleverley because he is free... First, he will not be free. We will pay a signing on fee of a couple of million, and I expect he will come in as one of our highest earners. Personally, I would not have a problem with Cleverley if I thought he was what we needed, but where exactly is he doing to play? He cannot play the AMC role, because he is not good enough. He cannot play wide, because he is not a wide player, and has proven that with some piss poor wide displays. I see him, as many on here evidently do, as a central midfielder. In our central midfield we have McCarthy nailed on, then Barry, Gibson and Besic competing for a place next to him. Now Cleverley will be added to that mix, but what will he add to the team? Honestly, of all the options IÂ’d prefer Gibson, because at least Gibson has the ability to open teams up with his passing (And can free our wingers with those passes). If we did not have 4 cms competing for 2 positions IÂ’d be happy for Cleverley to come in, and IÂ’m not completely against the transfer irrespective. But the problem is this: We do not have alot of money, and Cleverley will cost us in wages and signing on fee. Martinez has already spoken about us signing only 2 or 3 players (I hope he is bullshitting) - if Cleverley comes in, that will leave us with 1 or 2 buys? At the moment, we have two senior CBs (one of whom turned 21 two weeks ago, and one who will turn 33 in two months). One of those CBs appears to the best choice replacement for Coleman at Right back. Galloway is utterly unproven, and Martinez has said that he anticipates that he will initially make his appearances at LB. Honestly, I cannot see how we cannot buy 2 cbs this summer. On top of that, Atsu and Lennon have left, Osman and Pienaar and 34 and 33, and we are in desperate need of a creative spark. Our only back up striker has suffered from series of injury problems throughout his career, including a terrible knee injury which he is not 100% after.

Given MartinezÂ’s rhetoric, are we happy to see Cleverley in in terms of squad priorities? Do you really believe the simplistic line of argument which sees Cleverley is risk free because he is free?

My priorities this season would be: CB, creative midfielder, Winger, Cb, striker. In view of MartinezÂ’s rhetoric, I think that giving wages and signing on fee to another CM will just lead to lack in a more important area. We need creativity, not another play to pass the ball sideways. Bringing in a player with 2 assists in 3 seasons and a negligible goal threat is not the way to improve a team who is not creating or scoring enough goals. Cleverley is not exactly going to make us more defensively sound either.

Patrick Murphy
131 Posted 02/06/2015 at 12:51:12
Fran - Everton are still an elite member of the Premier League, I donÂ’t care what the perceptions of overseas players or agents or fans think, we are still a good place to play football, arguably too good a place as there is very little pressure to produce compared to some other Premier League teams.

The bottom line is that the current custodians of the club have done nothing to enhance the clubÂ’s stature, in fact I would argue that their persistent penny-pinching and dithering has started to make Everton FC look like a newly promoted club that has no idea how to deal with the big-time.

We can blame the manager all we like but he like his predecessors has to work within the limits set down by an unambitious board of directors. Bill Kenwright is renowned in the theatre world for staging shows with A list names in the cast only to find that the shows run for the most part with cheaper stand-ins playing the leading roles.

He is and has done the same with Everton FC, we no longer expect the top names and scrabble around at the cheap end of the market. I fully expect Lukaku, Mirallas and McCarthy to be departing before the end of this window and I wouldnÂ’t be surprised to see Stones and Barkley leave either. A combination of a cheap-skate board, apathetic fans and a manager out of his depth means that Cleverley and others similar in price / wages will be what we will see a lot more of in the future - the only thing that keeps many fans going to Goodison is the rich history, it mightnÂ’t mean a lot in the grand scheme of things but it shouldnÂ’t be dismissed so readily.

Erik Dols
133 Posted 02/06/2015 at 13:14:48
Oh boy, that escalated quickly, Patrick. What a doomsday vision. Recent history thaught us that maybe one of the players you name will leave this summer. Certainly not all. On transfer deadline day we will get an overpriced replacement we are not all that happy about but who we manage to sell to a Manchester team for a huge profit in a few years. We will finish seventish next year and will be talking about getting in the top four in the near future.
John Crawley
135 Posted 02/06/2015 at 13:53:26
Martinez talks about playing a certain way then proceeds to sign players that canÂ’t do this. Cleverley is bang average and signing him is just blocking a young playerÂ’s development like Ledson who has the potential to be much better.
Joseph Clarke
136 Posted 02/06/2015 at 13:52:10
Another anonymous, anaemic footballer. DonÂ’t know about preferring Aaron Lennon, John Lennon wouldÂ’ve done a better job.
Ciaran Duff
137 Posted 02/06/2015 at 14:05:22
I think that Jim is spot on. Nothing against Cleverley as such (seems a reasonable player to me) but donÂ’t think he fills any of the gaps that need filling. We need to be very careful to use our transfer budget wisely. No 1 priority for me is a No 10 (aka creative midfielder).
Jackie Barry
138 Posted 02/06/2015 at 14:08:58
Right now, he is way more creative than Barkley.
John Malone
139 Posted 02/06/2015 at 14:20:53
With this manager in charge Stoke, Swansea, Southampton are all now better than us, the problem lies with the guy who runs the show!

The manager is the most important man at a football club, good manager equals good team!

Clive Rogers
140 Posted 02/06/2015 at 13:54:03
James (#82),

What you say is true, but it didnÂ’t need to be like that. ItÂ’s down to Kenwright and Co who are completely incompetent and simply canÂ’t run the business of a football club. We should be a top club sitting pretty and thriving on Kings Dock. We arenÂ’t due to that incompetent clown Kenwright.

Andrew Clare
141 Posted 02/06/2015 at 15:31:42
As mentioned above, we already have too many Cleverley type players in our team. We need two top class creative players urgently.

We need a top class goalkeeper and we need a commanding central defender. Big money needs to be spent and we will have a cracking team next season.

OK. Yes, I am dreaming!

Ian Hollingworth
142 Posted 02/06/2015 at 15:52:12
Cleverly does not fill me with enthusiaism either but who do we think we are going to get under the current regime.
HeÂ’s free so he fits the bill
HeÂ’s average so he suits mid table mediocracy, so he fits the bill.
Probably suits Martinez style so he fits the bill.
Looks like he is nailed on then.
We finished 11th, have not won a trophy for 20 years, not serious contenders for the top 4 let alone title, club shows no ambition so donÂ’t expect anything more exciting than this.
If you do want something more exciting then we bettger get this lot out coz if not then lets just sit back and put up with what we have got
Mike Powell
143 Posted 02/06/2015 at 16:27:33
Cleverly will be a good signing. Yes, he is not the best midfielder around but he is far from the worst. We should get him signed up as a long-term replacement for Ossie before someone else signs him.
Gavin Johnson
144 Posted 02/06/2015 at 17:15:50
A good signing, but I wouldnÂ’t take it for granted that heÂ’ll even want to sign for us, especially if heÂ’s checked out TW.
Andy Crooks
145 Posted 02/06/2015 at 17:22:11
Jim Knightley, I agree with you entirely but I would hope that Cleverly will be an as well as signing, a bonus to our main targets. I niece that above all it is imperative that we get a creative midfielder. Someone who will bring the best out of Lukaku and, more importantly, speed up our style of play. If funds are limited then all should go on this type of player, for whom a fit Gibson can cover when needed.
Barry Jones
146 Posted 02/06/2015 at 18:46:55
Like many have pointed out here, Cleverly is a capable, but a somewhat average and unexciting midfielder. I look around the premier league and do not see a lot of creative midfielders available at a reasonable price and we desperately need to fill the #10 spot with some quality.

We probably need to go oversees. Stoke City picked up Bojan for just 1.8M Euro and he is still only 24. Mark Hughes began playing him wide but now uses him as #10 and he has looked sensational. This is the kind of business we need to do. We need a young Arteta.

Ian Riley
147 Posted 02/06/2015 at 21:24:51
Give me a break!

What have we got to lose from last season! He is on a free and young!

No one knows him better than our our manager and if he canÂ’t get the best from him then they can both get out!

Give the guy a chance if he signs!

Ian Jones
148 Posted 02/06/2015 at 21:33:04
I am probably wrong here with my views on Arteta as I cannot remember how good he was so apologies in advance!

A lot of people suggest we need a younger version of Arteta or his style of player as a Number 10. Wasn't he played out wide a lot? I seem to think he slowed the game down as well...

Gavin Johnson
149 Posted 02/06/2015 at 21:43:53
Ian, yes, Arteta often played out on the right side until he got injured against Newcastle. I donÂ’t remember him has being slow though. IMO his best years at Goodison were before he was moved to the centre of the park.
Roger Helm
150 Posted 02/06/2015 at 22:01:41
I think a lot of ToffeeWebbers and Evertonians in general have delusions of grandeur. For all our history, we are still just a middling Premier League club. In terms of turnover and attendances, we rank about 6th to 10th or thereabouts.

Do we really think the top players are pestering their agents to come to us? Could we afford them if they did? If we can get a proven Premier League player who has played for England on a free, whatÂ’s wrong with that?

I saw a rumour in the Telegraph that McCarthy may move this summer, to where not specified.

Mike Childs
151 Posted 03/06/2015 at 00:16:13
Silly season indeed. The passion though of TWers is inspiring .God I wish this site had a say in how the club was run. For me, IÂ’d take Cleverly but certainly wouldnÂ’t loose sleep if we donÂ’t.

We need a better scouting department obviously when you consider Stoke signed Bojan and Newcastle Aloze Perez both players at under ٠ million. They are out there if we look and take a chance. Vargas at QPR was in the same ball park as well.

James Marshall
152 Posted 03/06/2015 at 13:09:37
Roger@150. Spot on mate, absolutely right.

Delusions of grandeur is about the size of it unfortunately.

Mike - Perez and Vargas? They were both decidedly average all season. One got relegated, the other escaped by the skin of his teeth. They cost ٠M for a reason!

Barry Jones
153 Posted 03/06/2015 at 15:13:14
Ian, Arteta started wide but was moved inside to a central role where he could influence the game more. He was quick over a couple of yards, with quick feet and could spot the incisive passes. He held the ball well. Ossie played wide at that time. It was only after Arteta moved on that Ossie moved into his favoured central position. Ossie never really had the pace for a wide man, it was just that Moyes wanted to accommodate him in the team. This is when Ossie took the most flack from the crowd.

I think that a natural playmaker in the middle is what we miss most. RM seems to want to buy wingers all the time. Although I do like pace in a team it is no good having several pacey targets if we cannot get the ball to them. Someone earlier mentioned Riquelme. What a dream it would be to have a player like him in that role.

Jim Lloyd
154 Posted 03/06/2015 at 20:15:20
If ever Darron Gibson can stay fit for a season, we have someone who can certainly spread the ball around. If Cleverley does come in, I think he would be a good acquisition but, as Mike points out, why arenÂ’t we picking up players like those mentioned in his post? (151)
Steavey Buckley
155 Posted 03/06/2015 at 20:57:50
If Cleverley wanted to sign for Everton he would have done so by now. He has had since the last transfer window to think about a move to the blues. My personal feeling, he will sign for Aston Villa if Sherwood wants him. Everton will be his second option if not.
Jim Lloyd
156 Posted 03/06/2015 at 21:37:43
We donÂ’t know what heÂ’ll do, Steavey. The point is, how we view it if he does sign for Everton.
Steavey Buckley
158 Posted 03/06/2015 at 21:44:42
If Sherwood wanted Cleverley for next season, he would have signed for the clarets by now, because he was playing his best football and scoring goals. And when he does... he would have made a fool out of Martinez.
Nicholas Ryan
159 Posted 03/06/2015 at 21:43:07
Cleverley is a good player, but not a great one. He will not set the world on fire, but neither will he let anybody down.

He is [as unfortunately, we seem to be] Â’the best of the restÂ’!

Van Persie says he wants to go somewhere where he will play every week....

Step this way, RVP !!

Steavey Buckley
160 Posted 03/06/2015 at 21:52:32
Step this way, RVP!!! ... Players like him, Bony and Milner have priced themselves out of moves to clubs like Everton due their inflated salaries, unless their present clubs subsidise their wages. Everton have to look at players at level 2 or 3 to fit in with their salary structure.
Peter Mills
161 Posted 04/06/2015 at 08:21:19
IÂ’ve just been reading TomÂ’s own comments about his style of play, which he feels might be more appreciated in Spain, where "if you pass sideways and keep possession, they clap. IÂ’m not the sort of player whoÂ’s going to beat 3 or 4 men and hit it in the top corner, or run around tackling people, like Roy Keane".

Andrew Ellams
162 Posted 04/06/2015 at 08:41:32
Bojan cost ٟ.8million because of his horrific injury record which raised itÂ’s ugly head again this season causing to miss half of it. Much the same reason that we got Gibson cheap.
Phil Walling
163 Posted 04/06/2015 at 09:46:10
News this morning that the deal is going through. So who does the lad replace in central mid?

Apparently we can’t do without the experience Barry brings to the side – and anyway, he is a high earner with two years to go on his contract – so I suspect either McCarthy or Barkley will be moving on. Neither will be happy on the bench or on the wing at their stage of development, surely?

Andrew Ellams
164 Posted 04/06/2015 at 09:54:33
Phil, I reckon the answer to your question is Osman who will be phased out over the course of the season and leave at the end.
Phil Walling
166 Posted 04/06/2015 at 09:54:16
ps: No criticism of the manager implied (just a comment ) but CleverleyÂ’s signing brings the Â’ex-WiganÂ’ influence on the club to ELEVEN! ThatÂ’s five players plus Martinez and five support staff.

WhoÂ’s next, I wonder?

Liam Reilly
168 Posted 04/06/2015 at 12:32:38
According to the Daily Mail, heÂ’s chosen Everton over Villa for 㿞k a week. Not excited by this if he is to be the playmaker that weÂ’ve been missing.
Jon Withey
169 Posted 04/06/2015 at 12:44:08
I wouldÂ’ve thought that Cleverley would compete with Osman, Pienaar and Gibson rather than McCarthy, Besic and Barry.

I don’t know where Barkley is supposed to fit in at the moment – let’s hope he has a steady preseason in a set role.

I honestly haven’t seen Cleverley play much – I only remember thinking he was pretty tidy playing for England without offering much cut and thrust.

Phil Walling
170 Posted 05/06/2015 at 11:17:32
Sky reporting Cleverley undergoing a medical at Finch Farm. Nearly done deal!
John Daley
171 Posted 05/06/2015 at 11:40:28
"Sky reporting Cleverley undergoing a medical at Finch Farm. Nearly done deal!"

Yeah, shouldnÂ’t take too long, should it? Seen as how Kone and Alcaraz passed with flying colours, I imagine itÂ’s something not too dissimilar to being pulled over by the police at night and asked to walk in a straight line.

Andrew Ellams
172 Posted 05/06/2015 at 11:54:15
John Daley, so you expected the medical team examining Kone to have the foresight to predict him damaging his ligaments in during a game 3 months later. That is medical science at itÂ’s best!
Jamie Crowley
173 Posted 05/06/2015 at 11:51:52
If this thing has a bow tied around it in the next week, thatÂ’ll be one player signed by June 12th.

Minimally itÂ’s a refreshing change from waiting until August 28th-ish to do anything under OFM. God that drove me nuts.

Phil Sammon
174 Posted 05/06/2015 at 11:56:53
John (#171),

Â’I imagine it's something not too dissimilar to being pulled over by the police at night and asked to walk in a straight line.Â’

YouÂ’d be surprised how difficult that is after twelve pints.

John Daley
175 Posted 05/06/2015 at 13:16:49
Course not Andrew (...wouldÂ’ve been nice though). Just a throwaway jokey comment. YÂ’know, a bit like when someone sayÂ’s Â’Kone is fully fitÂ’.
Paul Smith
176 Posted 05/06/2015 at 13:53:50
Definitely Jamie. One thing I will commend Roberto on is he moves quicker than Davie Boy in the transfer market – it’s refreshing!

The quality of his purchases are less impressive.

Phil Walling
177 Posted 05/06/2015 at 13:53:56
Jamie, much better to Â’sign em up and hopeÂ’, isnÂ’t it? I seem to recall that OFM made just as many mistakes in the transfer market as this dude has. Although the former was here ELEVEN years!
Andrew Ellams
178 Posted 05/06/2015 at 14:02:13
Whilst IÂ’m not jumping off my seat over this one, itÂ’s a bit early to be calling it a mistake. WeÂ’ve been pleasantly surprised and bitterly disappointed in the past so letÂ’s give the lad a chance to prove himself first.
Mike Gaynes
179 Posted 05/06/2015 at 14:24:14
Agree with Andrew. NobodyÂ’s going to be dazzled by Cleverley but I believe he does have the capability of filling OsmanÂ’s role.
Jamie Crowley
180 Posted 05/06/2015 at 14:43:16
Paul and Phil @ 176 and 177 respectively -

Although the whole Kone and Alcaraz signings werenÂ’t exactly world class (cough cough), I think overall with the Lukaku, Barry, McCarthy, and Besic signings as well as DelBoy and Lennon on loan our GafferÂ’s done fairly well.

LetÂ’s hope thereÂ’s a few more early signings so he can get the players in and hit the ground running this season. We canÂ’t afford the malaise beginning of 2014-15.

Nor can Roberto...

Brian Harrison
181 Posted 05/06/2015 at 14:41:44

Certainly Moyes did make mistakes but I think player recruitment was one of his strengths. As for comparing his best buys and RMs best buys, then there is no comparison.

Moyes signed Stones ١M, Oviedo ٟ.2M, Mirallas ٣M, Jagielka ٢M, Baines ٤M, Coleman 㿨k – these are the players still at the club. I would guess that of the 㾿.3M spent on these players we would get around 㿷-㿼M which would give us a net profit of around 㿣-60M.

Yes, there was Krøldrup, Bily and Beattie on the negative side. But you can add the 㾿M profit on Lescott which would negate the loss on these players. Now when you look at Lukaku, McCarthy, McGeady, Barry, Kone, Alcaraz and Robles... I doubt we would get much profit combined for this lot.

Brian Harrison
182 Posted 05/06/2015 at 14:55:14
Sorry, I forgot to mention Besic in RM's buys but I didn't include the profit from the sale of Fellaini which was another 㾸M, to be added to Moyes buys.
Kevin Tully
183 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:03:58

Believe it or not, Jagielka & Baines signed in 2007. In those passing 8 years, transfer fees have at least trebled. Fucking hell, youÂ’ll be mentioning how Latchford was a bargain 𧸖k next.

Kevin Tully
184 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:18:48
Andrew Ellams
185 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:17:19
We shouldnÂ’t be signing players with profit in mind. They should hopefully be spending the best years of their careers at Everton and the financial gains coming from on-the-field successes.
Brian Harrison
186 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:20:03

I think you are missing the point, I was just pointing out that Moyes was excellent by-and-large in the transfer market and RM like most things he does is rubbish.

When you manage a club with little or no money to spend, and whose revenues apart from Sky are pitiful, then the only way you can hope to compete with clubs far better off is to buy cheap and sell expensively, which for most of the time is what Moyes did.

Kevin Tully
187 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:26:31
Did you even bother to read the link, Brian? IÂ’ll try it the other way around - In 2007, McCarthy would have been approx. ٢m.

Today, McCarthy is worth at least 㿀m taking his age into consideration. Lukaku will go for at least 㿊m (We paid 㿄m – ٢m off his fee was an addition if we reached CL)

We could make the largest gains on Besic – I think he could turn into a 㿀m midfielder.

One last thing – why on earth do people make comparisons with one manager having two seasons to sign players, and another eleven? Are you really that desperate to be proven correct?

Give me eleven years and the chance to sign 68 players, I think IÂ’ll make some good signings as well. #Miracle worker.

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