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Everton confirm Cleverley signing

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Updated Everton will complete the acquisition of Tom Cleverley on a free transfer from Manchester United on 1st July after the 25 year-old opted for Goodison Park over remaining at Aston Villa, where he spent the 2014-15 season on loan.

The midfielder underwent a medical at Finch Farm today and put pen to paper on a five-year contract nine months after a proposed move to the Blues collapsed on transfer deadline day.

Cleverley, an England international who was called up today by Roy Hodgson following injury to Tottenham's Ryan Mason, was picked up by then Villa boss Paul Lambert on a season-long loan where he made 31 appearances and helped the Midlanders to the FA Cup Final.

Privately, the Basingstoke-born but Yorkshire-raised player has had his heart set on eventually sealing a move to Everton to link up again with Roberto Martinez who has made no secret of his admiration for a player who signed him on loan from United in 2010.

Cleverley, who has also spent time at Watford and Leicester City as a loan player, has 13 England caps and also represented Great Britain at the 2012 Olympics. He also has Champions League experience from his time in Manchester.

It says a lot also, when someone like Tom is available on a free transfer and he can pick his next club out of many options home and abroad, that he has chosen to play for our football club. That's the perfect start to his career here at Everton.

Roberto Martinez

We are extremely delighted to be welcoming Tom to Everton and I can think of many reasons as to why our fans will enjoy Tom representing our football club," Martinez said once the club had announced the imminent signing.

The most important one is that he is a perfect fit for what we are trying to build here as he has so much experience of playing in the Premier League and he still has his best years just ahead of him.

At the age of 25 and a player who is representing his country, Tom has experienced winning trophies and having big roles in demanding teams. Having worked with him previously, I know the type of character he is and I know that, with the Everton fans' support, we will get a very special footballer joining our already exciting team.

It says a lot also, when someone like Tom is available on a free transfer and he can pick his next club out of many options home and abroad, that he has chosen to play for our football club. That's the perfect start to his career here at Everton.  


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Tony J Williams
1 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:15:47
Er... ermm... Brilliant?

Phenomenal signing!!

Ian Ravello
3 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:20:00
...actually I think this will prove a good signing in time. Now letÂ’s get Gerard in.
Dan Hollingworth
4 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:27:02
Basement bargain shopping for another ex-Wigan player.


Jim Knightley
5 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:25:37
As IÂ’ve said in other threads: this is not the signing we need. He is another CM, and he offers nothing new to the side. His passing is simple and sideways, and he rarely assists or scores goals.

We have two senior centre-backs, two wingers, no creative players below 33 and Martinez has said he only wants to sign 2-3 players this summer.

If Cleverley came in along with the players we need I would be happy, but I expect that he wonÂ’t, leaving our squad weak in other areas and with five central midfielders competing for two roles (excluding Barkley and Osman who could both operate deeper).

A decent player, but an underwhelming signing given our specific needs, and the fifth ex-Wigan player to arrive in 2 years. At least, unlike at Liverpool, we know who is in control of our transfer policy.

Phil Sammon
6 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:26:16
I hope Cleverley is judged fairly by Evertonians. I think heÂ’s a good player who became a bit of a scapegoat at Man Utd. Fellaini played that role last year too... and heÂ’s come good for them. A gifted youngster whoÂ’s faltered... weÂ’ve history in that department and it worked out well with Arteta and Pienaar.

IÂ’m slightly irked at MartinezÂ’s insistence to buy players heÂ’s worked with before... but viewed as an isolated signing, I think itÂ’s a smart move.

Pa Carty
7 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:34:54
A freebee! Kenwright must be licking his lips.
Kevin Gillen
8 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:37:40
Very pleased to see this lad in, bags of talent, could be a top player for Everton in years to come. IÂ’m happy for us to grow our own defenders, we have a great record in that department, coming across midfield talent is a little more difficult.
Sam Hoare
9 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:42:46
As pointed out by others, he doesnÂ’t necessarily offer a solution to the problems that we have and would not have been high up my wanted list.

Having said that, heÂ’s a decent player yet to reach his peak... The moment he becomes an Everton player, I will give him my total support and hope that he repays it by stepping up to the plate and giving his all. So long as he does that, there will be few complaints from me.

Nick Page
10 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:45:24
Surely this canÂ’t have been concluded so quickly. This is Everton, for GodÂ’s sake.
Anthony Foulger
11 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:45:57
An excellent signing, and more importantly itÂ’s great to see some business getting done early!! It will give him chance to get a good pre season with the other lads . I think he looked good for Villa in the last few months especially in both creating and scoring a few goals
Tony J Williams
12 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:52:46
He will be like a new signing when fit in February....ermmm

As long as we are not using YoboÂ’s pen, he should sign on quickly.

Hopefully he will be the player that pissed through our defence and smashed one past Taliban Tim for us.

Denis Richardson
13 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:49:12
Not the main solution we need but you canÂ’t influence when players are available on a Â’freeÂ’ (I know the sign on and wages wonÂ’t be small but in total still less than having to pay a transfer fee as well).

Beefs up the squad and a replacement for Barry and Gibson, who for different reasons wonÂ’t be playing too much next season. Also at 25 heÂ’s a good age and brings youthful legs in the CM position. Joins early so has a good couple of months to Â’gelÂ’ etc.

Now onto the proper stuff - pace and creativity in midfield, another CB and a second striker. Also wouldnÂ’t do any harm to get rid of an oldey or two like Pianaar, whoÂ’s injuries and age seem to have caught up with him.

Decent signing overall but on its own no where near enough.

Jim Bennings
16 Posted 05/06/2015 at 15:55:18
Good signing for free but we need many more!

Cleverley is not a poor footballer, there can be no doubts he has talent just maybe not what we need badly at the minute but heÂ’s still a decent signing for no fee.

I sincerely hope the Raul Meirelles rumours are just gossip, at if we signing another bleeding 32 year old letÂ’s just get Barton.

Harry Wallace
17 Posted 05/06/2015 at 16:08:08
Good footballer, good age and free. Only concern is the 5-year deal. Players 25 and on 5-year deals tend to get complacent.
Geoffrey Risebrow
18 Posted 05/06/2015 at 16:14:04
I didnÂ’t want the lad but I will be 100% behind him if he becomes a Everton player. He obviously has some ability and you donÂ’t play under Alex Ferguson in a title-winning side if you are crap but I donÂ’t think we need him.

Like most fans on here have said, we need a creative midfielder, left winger, CB and I feel we definitely need another striker who can score goals.

Nicholas Ryan
19 Posted 05/06/2015 at 16:16:59
LetÂ’s get some perspective here:

Tim Sherwood is no fool. He is one of the best and shrewdest young managers around. He was DESPERATE, absolutely DESPERATE to sign Cleverley full-time. But instead, heÂ’s coming to us.

So, knowing he was wanted, at a traditionally big PL club, by the most go-ahead, ambitious young manager in the league, instead, he CHOSE Everton.

People need to pause .... and just think about that!

Jim Bennings
20 Posted 05/06/2015 at 16:22:14
IÂ’m with you on that Nicholas.

I wouldnÂ’t slang Cleverley off before heÂ’s even had chance to kick a ball for Everton.

IÂ’m not for one minute suggesting we have signed a midfield maestro, creative genius but what he is, and itÂ’s something I have banged on about for ages is a proven Premier League player who unlike a foreign lad coming in from abroad, wonÂ’t need the excuse of a "settling in period" he wonÂ’t need time to acclimate and basically he offers help if we do suffer injuries or bad form to players in that area.

Chris Green
21 Posted 05/06/2015 at 16:29:48
Interesting signing. Free... so thatÂ’s good. Not sure what wages would be, but I doubt they will be high. Competition for Barry, who just about everyone on here bagged out for half a season. Makes sense and adds youth, athletisism and bodies to the squad. Something we all said was needed last year.

Barry and Martinez both said that he played a lot more than they wanted last year, and with Besic quickly adapting to the premiership, we will now have good rotation in the more defensive roles in midfield.

Like someone said above... if he is our "marquee" signing, then I am not impressed. If this is to give us numbers as Barry will be 34 (and got stick last year) and Ossie is already 34 (and got a lot of stick last year) it brings the age down.. the athletism up and for someone who is an England International and was wanted by a very shrewd coach... I am not disappointed.

Yes he was at Wigan and lots of people are whining about that... but he was also at Man Utd and played a lot for them. If we judge every player we buy based on who they were loaned to at an earlier stage in their career we could have very slim pickings!

James Stewart
22 Posted 05/06/2015 at 16:29:48
Underwhelming. We already have about 5 players for his position who are all equally as inadequate at unlocking defences. We havenÂ’t had a proper playmaker since Arteta left and it is glaringly obvious in the current system.

Knowing Martinez though he will probably be pushed out wide as out of position Osman replacement.

Simon Jones
23 Posted 05/06/2015 at 16:39:22
IÂ’m pleased with this news. We have a couple of aging midfield players who may well leave if a decent offer (i.e. personal terms rather than a transfer fee) comes in for them. I imagine Cleverley will be nearer the top of first team selection than just a squad player.
John Raftery
24 Posted 05/06/2015 at 16:50:34
Just to be clear, this is not a free transfer. Yes, we are not paying a transfer fee but, assuming he is on around 㿨k per week, his wages will amount to 㾻M over the 5-year contract. Throw in one or two million for the agentÂ’s fee and it can be seen where the clubÂ’s money is being sent.

While not by any means an exciting signing, Cleverley will give us another option in midfield and will reduce the average age. Gareth Barry will not play as many games next season so we needed to add to our numbers. Roberto has said recently that we will need to sign three or four players this summer so I expect to see more happening later in the summer. A wide player and a defender must be the next priorities.

Paul Smith
25 Posted 05/06/2015 at 16:58:45
Thing is if Roberto has nearly lost the dressing room at various points this season (that’s how it’s felt at times), how come so many of his previous signings are willing to play for him again? And I’m not his biggest fan – just that there’s so many contradictions.

IÂ’m not overwhelmed with Cleverly but itÂ’s nice to bag an early signing.

Frank Wade
26 Posted 05/06/2015 at 17:06:51
John 24, re free signing. We donÂ’t have to pay the going rate for a 25 year old England International, which would be expected to be 8 to 10m(based on Aaron Lennon valuations). We would still have to pay the agents fee and the wages on top of an equivalent 8m transfer, although I expect a Bosman signing could command a higher signing on fee.

I look at this as an opportunity too good to pass up, especially with our lack on finance and like others would like to see strengthening in other positions. We have other options in the central midfield at the moment, but apart from James McCarthy and hopefully a rejuvenated Ross Barkley, we are thin enough if looking forward to this time next year. Barry, Osman and Pienaar are unlikely to be featuring regularly due to advances in age, GibsonÂ’s participation doubtful due to injury, unsure still whether Besic will make it at this level. Ledson hopefully will be pushing for a place as well. This time next year, we will definitely be looking for additions to midfield, so this opportunity from Bosmania has just come early.

I have to add that I have been impressed by Cleverley at Villa in their game with us and a few other snippets I have seen in latter half of season. Looks like a genuine hard working player, and will be glad to welcome him and cheer him on in the Blue shirt.

re Wigan. He was just on loan at Wigan for one season. He has played over 50 games for Man Utd since then.

Phil Sammon
27 Posted 05/06/2015 at 17:36:08
John 24

Â’Just to be clear: this is not a free transfer. Yes, we are not paying a transfer fee but assuming he is on around 㿨k per week his wages will amount to 㾻M over the 5-year contract. Throw in one or two million for the agentÂ’s fee and it can be seen where the clubÂ’s money is being sent.Â’

IÂ’m afraid youÂ’re completely wrong, John. We will of course have to pay the player a wage and he will command a higher signing on fee than usual but he is, to all intents and purposes, a free transfer. You do realise that even a player we pay a fee for will still expect a Â’signing onÂ’ fee and the agentÂ’s fee on top of that.

IsnÂ’t it annoying when someone smugly tries to educate you on a subject which they are evidently misinformed.

Dave Abrahams
28 Posted 05/06/2015 at 17:50:17
Frank (26) yes you are correct Cleverly is a good signing cash wise and he will be a good signing football wise.

I donÂ’t think I will be the only one who expects Everton to make a couple more of these Bosman signings.

Paul Turner
29 Posted 05/06/2015 at 17:49:46
Ian #2 "...actually I think this will prove a good signing in time. Now letÂ’s get Gerard in".

Must be my ageing eyes, but at first glance, I saw a double Â’rÂ’ in Â’GerardÂ’ and thought WTF?!

I reckon Cleverley will turn out to be a good Â’un for us. Not sure about Deulofeu - superb occasionally, but not the finished article just yet.

BTW - IÂ’ll be cheering on Juve tomorrow - 30 years after Heysel.

Ross Edwards
30 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:02:12
Average mid-table player. Underwhelming. DonÂ’t rate him at all. Obviously IÂ’ll take it back if he does well but it just symbolises our status now. Looking around in the bargain basement yet again.
Alan Cunningham
31 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:01:40
ItÂ’s a good signing.

England international. Got potential. Free transfer (i.e. no transfer fee). Re-sale value if it doesnÂ’t work out.

RM has got a lot of things wrong – but this isn’t one of them.

There may be some who think that TC is a waste of a wage. Personally, I think heÂ’ll do quite well.

Colin Glassar
32 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:00:55
Once he puts on the jersey heÂ’s one of us. IÂ’ll get behind him until he proves me wrong.
Chris Corn
33 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:05:31
HeÂ’s passed medical as per SSN
Mike Gaynes
34 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:05:16
I donÂ’t see the "bags of talent" one of us mentioned, but heÂ’s a quality player with the capability of filling the Osman role -- no dazzle, but very competent on the ball. And given his youth, hardworking attitude and low cost, thereÂ’s absolutely no downside here. If he works out this will be a genius move to refresh our elderly midfield... and if not, heÂ’s at least some decent squad depth.
Chris Corn
35 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:12:01
Signing confirmed.. 5-year deal.
Mike Powell
36 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:13:12
Good signing welcome to Everton, Tom. Three or four more signings and things could be looking up.
Declan Brown
40 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:24:33
As a supporter of nearly 30 years, I used to love the summer and the drama and anticipation of who weÂ’d sign.

This signing does not excite me in any way. ItÂ’s a free transfer, itÂ’s a marriage of convenience, getting one because heÂ’s free. Am I the only one who sees it this way?

The anticipation continues...

Eivind Nyhus
41 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:31:51
Great piece of business this!
Denis Richardson
42 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:27:47
Declan 40 - Cleverly isnÂ’t being signed to provide magic on the park (I truly hope so anyway!). HeÂ’s being signed to provide a decent engine and passing ability in the middle. As long as we can add some more signings who do possess that bit of magic on top, then this could turn out to be a really clever signing......(decided to leave the manager bashing until 02 August!).

25 years old, multiple years experience in the PL already, English so adds to the home grown quota and no transfer fee - cannot really see a downside here AS LONG as this is not our main signing of the summer!

The wages heÂ’ll be on will be covered by those saved from Distin and Alcaraz so other than whatever the signing on fee was we have not spent any extra money (talking to you Mr Kenwright!).

Should still have powder for the transfer market – however much that may be. Good start to the window imo. Welcome aboard Mr Cleverly – now get your shooting boots on.

Sam Hoare
43 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:35:48
Welcome, Thomas. I won’t be doubting you till you give me good reason to. Will be interested to see where Señor Bob plays you...

WhenÂ’s the last time we had 4 players in the England squad?

Karl Jones
44 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:40:11
Poor signing by a poor manager.
Nigel Gregson
45 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:40:56
Karl - you forgot Â’for a poor (financially) clubÂ’
Joe Foster
46 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:44:28
For me I will gladly take on board an unusual early signing.
Joe Foster
48 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:47:10
I said what feels like a long time ago but Delboy is coming...
Ken Buckley
49 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:42:06
Saw him home and away when he was on loan at Wigan 2010-11 season. He was impressive in both games for his age so with five years experience on the clock I am hopeful we have signed quality. He played on the left side in those games.

I look forward to seeing him in the Blue.

Nick Entwistle
50 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:47:38
I hate to say it, but Villa have more potential than us at the moment. Were they not offering the 㿣k per week?
Ian Hollingworth
51 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:49:19
If this is our main signing then we are in trouble. Okay signing for free to boost the squad but we need real quality and surely other positions were greater priority.

Hope he comes good for us but I have to admit that I am so disillusioned with Martinez that I struggle to believe in anything he has a hand in.

Ian Hollingworth
52 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:55:48
God forbid this does not pave the way for McCarthy leaving??.... well it is Everton we are talking about!!!
John Crawley
53 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:50:37
Funny how Martinez champions (verbally) an attacking footballing passing style yet then buys run-of-the-mill hard-working midfield players with no flare, style or passing ability. Yet the dour Moyes signed Arteta, Pienaar, Gibson, brought through Osman and tried to sign Ever Banega and Aaron Ramsey – all of whom are skilful footballers, with individual talent who are surely the types that Martinez should be trying to sign!

I think heÂ’s average and will be blocking the development of younger players like Ledson who have the potential to be much better than the very ordinary Cleverley.

Paul Hewitt
54 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:11:53
How have Villa got more potential than us?
Pete Edwards
55 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:04:54
Baines came from Wigan ........ just saying!
Jim Bennings
56 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:11:32
Good luck to Tom Cleverley!!

YouÂ’re a blue now and letÂ’s hope you get yourself a good enjoyable few years at our club..

Not a great great player but the fact is he commands no transfer fee, is a England international, and the bit I like most: "Premier League experienced".

He will do a job, he may even help out the likes of Barkley and Ledson.

Andy Crooks
57 Posted 05/06/2015 at 18:58:17
Nicholas (#19), I am as pleased as you that we have got Cleverly. I think it is a good move for a player who could improve a great deal.

But, Tim Sherwood? I think he peaked in keeping Villa up and has nothing to offer other than tough guy soundbites. I would love Martinez out but IÂ’d rather have him than Sherwood and that is some indictment of the wild eyed loon of Cup Final day.

Nick Armitage
58 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:16:50
Last season we clearly lacked energy and drive in midfield and I think Martinez is right to address that, however on the form of the last 3 seasons Cleverly is not the man to sort that problem. IÂ’d much rather have a fit Gibson, but thatÂ’s never going to happen.
Tim O'Connell
60 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:22:52
Now you are a Blue the very best of luck. What is important is that it is clear he wanted to come here. He is coming at a great age at 25 with best years to come but with a massive amount of experience. LetÂ’s get behind him know it is official!!
Brian Wilkinson
61 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:24:11
Jim @20 agree slating a player before he has kicked a ball and saying overloaded that position.

HeÂ’s free and apart from wages cannot understand knocking the guy before hes even pulled the shirt on.

IÂ’m pretty sure if we signed Messi, some would say heÂ’s too small.

Now if itÂ’s the only signing we make, fair play, letÂ’s just wait and see who we bring in, then have a go if needed.

Ray Said
62 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:30:15
I want to give the lad the chance to prove himself but I can’t see where he fits in to the first team if we persist with the 4-2-3-1 – which I hate and wish we would change?
Sandra Bowen
64 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:44:14
IÂ’m with Ken, I expect him to play mainly from the left with the hope that he can bring the best out of Baines again.

Nice to get a good early signing in the bag, onwards and upwards.

Kevin Rowlands
65 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:46:00
I have to laugh at some of the underwelmed posters, FFS we had Phil Neville in our midfield only 2 seasons ago, think about that! TC is a good signing!
John Audsley
66 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:54:06
Very good signing who will enhance the squad.

Cleverley is a good player and once that shirt is pulled on I will support him, why anyone wants to slag this transfer off is beyond me.

Early business for one!!!

Barry Lambert
67 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:53:50
If it came to negative thinking IÂ’m sure weÂ’d be right up there with the best of them. IÂ’m right behind all the Martinez slagging off, but for godÂ’s sake letÂ’s reserve judgement on our new boy and give the lad all the support he will need in winning us over.He chose us over other clubs. DoesnÂ’t that mean anything?

I just hope he doesnÂ’t jump onto this website.

Stephen Brown
68 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:04:26
Get behind the lad is the best shout on here from various posters!

Cahill, Pienaar and Jageilka – signings were all met with a certain level of apathy but turned out well... even the aforementioned Phil Neville had his moments! Give the lad a chance!!!

Colin Williams
69 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:15:09
Good signing!.... Welcome Tom, great platform for your future development with the blues!
Richard Farrington
70 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:21:06
Some negativity on here and Twitter which I donÂ’t think is fair really. What level of player do supporters think we can attract these days?

We arenÂ’t going to get top end as we canÂ’t offer CL football, a realistic chance of getting it soon and obviously the money that the rich teams can.

Cleverley is decent, at a good age and gives me some optimism for next season.

Season ticket sales are good so letÂ’s really get behind them, I say. COYB.

Colin Grierson
71 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:21:00
Like anyone else who joins the club, IÂ’ll get right behind him and wish him luck. IÂ’ll judge him on his performances at our club not anywhere else.
Colin Grierson
72 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:26:48
Brian 68 - Great shout!
Ken Williams
73 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:31:22
CanÂ’t understand the negative comments, weÂ’ve signed an England international and people still moan.....
Oscar Huglin
74 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:33:39
Great signing. Young, talented England international with European experience and a proven desire to play for Everton. He and McCarthy could be a top class midfield pairing for half a decade or more.

To add to the positives of the day, Naismith has just scored for Scotland.

Bring on next season, IÂ’m getting withdrawal symptoms already.

Ian Bennett
75 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:29:28
DonÂ’t fully understand why we signed him. It must be the end of one of the centre mids if Barkley is not the new number 10.

A striker, a number 10, a centre back, and two top wingers were on my list, plus a keeper if I was being greedy.

Al Reddish
76 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:34:50
Besic Barkley McCarthy and Cleverly. A good basis for a solid midfield for years to come.
Aidy Dews
77 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:33:05
HeÂ’s not everyoneÂ’s cup of tea but I think itÂ’s a good signing and a smart signing!

HeÂ’s on a free so weÂ’re not eating into the kitty much and he plays in a position where we have a couple of 30-plus players who are probably in their final seasons as first team squad members and we have another that unfortunately canÂ’t keep fit so itÂ’s a good signing for the squad imo!

Now letÂ’s go and get our main targets in within the next few weeks and have everyone in and ready to settle before pre-season and letÂ’s hit the ground running!

Ged Simpson
78 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:34:30
Great signing for our budget. Even the rich RS can only afford Milner.

You watch; this will be a great signing.

Optimism or stupidity. Well if this made me annoyed, IÂ’d give up supporting football after 50 years. No hope... why bother?

Andy Crooks
79 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:33:04
Barry # 67, if he came on this site, heÂ’d see plenty of supporters wishing him well and some heÂ’ll want to win over. If he gives his best, he will.

I think he will be a great signing and it will look better with a couple more.

Paul Jeronovich
80 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:40:19
Nothing special really???? But, like some other shite players weÂ’ve had, IÂ’ll get behind him and whoever wears our shirt.
Ged Simpson
81 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:43:30
Yep Andy... with ya on that.
Tim Greeley
82 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:29:34
The Everton/Man Utd incest continues. Something is strange there. It deserves to be looked into further, I think. Just donÂ’t let McCarthy be going their way now...

As to Clever Tom, sure thing! Certainly not as eye catching as if Roberto had unearthed midfield utility man Tomas Cleverido from the Peruvian third tier, but I think itÂ’s clearly a solid signing. He is the right age that we need, has plenty of EPL experience and wants to be a Blue. Roberto prefers to work in the free scrap bin and the loan market anyway I think.

Christy Ring
83 Posted 05/06/2015 at 20:49:22
For free, he can offer us more going forward. He scored in the last few games for Villa and Tim Sherwood wanted to keep him. IÂ’ll be a lot happier if Martinez gives McCarthy the same contract, thereÂ’s no way Cleverley should be paid twice as much as James, get it done Bob before itÂ’s too late.
Trevor Lynes
84 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:16:29
I believe that McCarthy is desperately looking to complete his contract renewal as Cleverley is reported to be on a higher wage.

I am a bit nonplussed at this particular signing unless it is a move to increase the squad size as Cleverley is not the player to improve our scoring stats. The player I want to see is a genuine playmaker who can provide ammunition for our strikers. IMO Cleverley is overshadowed by Delph at Â’Palace and Delph would be an exciting signing! I would love to see Delph and Bolasie at Goodison playing for us!

Cleverley is a pretty run-of-the-mill midfielder and, although a good freebee, he is no better than who we already have.I suppose he could take over from Barry but he does not have OsmanÂ’s craft so I do not see him as a schemer at all.

I reckon we have signed another worker (drone).

Richard Farrington
85 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:32:22
Oscar (75) - no he hasnÂ’t scored. It was Matt Richie.
Fintan Spode
86 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:23:48
Just read poll in Birmingham Echo... the question was posed to Villa fans – How did they feel that Cleverley had not signed for them? The highest scoring answer currently is... Mildly Annoyed, followed in 2nd by... Couldn’t care less.

Ironically, this is how I would answer a question on how I feel about Cleverley signing for us!

Ian Riley
87 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:31:29
Great news! Free, still in his prime! In the current market, Man Utd could have asked for a fee of ٥ million. Three more players and next season could be our year! Hot summer getting to me already!!!
James Flynn
88 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:38:14
I see heÂ’s just been called up to EnglandÂ’s squad.
John Pickles
89 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:34:28
Mike (#40): With all the stick heÂ’s getting, heÂ’s already Â’filling the Osman roleÂ’.
Andy Meighan
90 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:35:09
John (#53),

I couldnÂ’t have put it better myself. Oh, and by the way, if you sign a player in early June, does it make him a better player than someone you sign at the last minute of the transfer window? Because according to some on here it seems like this is a big mistake and I canÂ’t wait until next October / November when we are struggling what the reaction will be to Tom (youÂ’re one of us now) Cleverley Another nail in my coffin of renewing our season tickets. So thanks, Bob. Not

Colin Glassar
91 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:46:49
Nigel, DelBoy definitely has legs. The No 10? I wouldnÂ’t be surprised if Arteta comes back for a swan song.
Jay Harris
92 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:46:44
If we keep this up we can legitimately change our name to Manchester United Reserves.

How times have changed since 1990.

They get our cream and we scrap for their rejects.

We needed a Manny Fernandez type and we get a freebie.

Its the Everton way under BK.

David Israel
93 Posted 05/06/2015 at 21:39:57
"If he’s free, sign him up" – Bill & Bob’s credo.
James Newcombe
94 Posted 05/06/2015 at 22:04:06
Really pleased with that – we can’t lose on this kind of deal. And some of the older legs in the squad aren’t going to continue for too much longer!
Harold Matthews
95 Posted 05/06/2015 at 19:53:31
This lad will be a real Blue and he wonÂ’t be playing at the back. His intelligent off the ball runs to drag people away from Benteke will be missed at Villa. I watched him do it on many occasions. A real team player who has progressed with every season and will continue to do so.

As for other early signings? Henen or Lennon maybe. IÂ’m really not too sure. Martinez said we have "found" the players we want but, as Van Gaal pointed out the other day, the process is a lot more complicated than just getting a guy to put pen to paper.

As we know, Martinez does not like giving permanent contracts to strangers. EtoÂ’o was a rare one but it might not have been his choice. Strangers are a big risk, as Steve Bruce discovered at Hull, and our fella prefers to weigh them up on loan.

This season he may be forced to change tack but the player will have to be special. WeÂ’ll see.

Brian Keenan
96 Posted 05/06/2015 at 22:19:58
I think he will be a good signing.

He will be worth 㾹M after five years.

Dan Parker
97 Posted 05/06/2015 at 22:42:21
Fintan, ignore the Villa poll, it probably doesnÂ’t reflect their true feelings. IÂ’d imagine most of them would have been elated if heÂ’d signed for them.
Stephen O'Donnell
100 Posted 05/06/2015 at 23:16:54
Good luck to our newest early signing. I must admit did not want Cleverley but letÂ’s give him a chance as others have well said.
Kerry Frahm
101 Posted 05/06/2015 at 23:26:33
This is not Fantasy League... ItÂ’s about working within a budget to create a squad that will hopefully gel and combine well to win football games and hopefully the league.

LVG bought players that didnÂ’t gel, and Mourinho has players that donÂ’t work. The difference is they have the funds to get enough players to hide the dregs.

I think Tom is a good option at the right price; as long as he wears the Blue jersey, I will support him and our manager every match.

Phil Walling
102 Posted 05/06/2015 at 23:32:17
Regardless of the latest Â’freeÂ’ signing, why are we always portrayed as being amongst the paupers of the Premier League?

Recent tables show us as being in receipt of the 8th largest TV receipts but just because we invested 㿈M on one player last year, we now seem to be stuck for cash. Why?

Laurie Hartley
103 Posted 06/06/2015 at 00:05:37
John @ 98 - I know last season was scary but I think your comment is a bit premature. My advice to you would be put your tin hat.
Ant Dwyer
104 Posted 06/06/2015 at 00:38:49
I think this could turn out to be a very shrewd signing.
Christopher Kelly
105 Posted 06/06/2015 at 00:42:57
I cannot believe people still quote LukakuÂ’s fee as 㿈m. ItÂ’s spread over 5 years for ChristÂ’s Sake. Please letÂ’s start calling it what it is... ItÂ’ll EASILY be paid off by just using a portion of the tv money so we don;t need to be pretending weÂ’re broke nor need we have a parade.

Freebies are nice but we donÂ’t need a big squad. We need quality over quantity in a season we donÂ’t have Europe.

Bob Parrington
106 Posted 06/06/2015 at 00:44:48
I watched the Soton vs Villa game recently in which Villa were trounced. However, I was continually impressed with CleverleyÂ’s application, work rate, movement off the ball etc etc. He never gave up even as the goals against piled up.
Good business by Roberto IMO.
Brian Porter
107 Posted 06/06/2015 at 01:30:21
IÂ’m happy to have him. He has just been called up to the England squad so itÂ’s pretty obvious he has qualities that some people here donÂ’t seem to aware of. LetÂ’s not knock the lad until heÂ’s had a fair crack of the whip and we see what he can do in a blue shirt.

The important thing to remember here is also the fact that as a free agent, he could have gone anywhere, and certainly Villa wanted him, but he WANTS to play for Everton. Now, isnÂ’t that refreshing compared to the musings of some of our current squad, from whom you might have expected more loyalty?

Give him a chance, is my thought on his arrival.

Ryan Rosenberg
108 Posted 06/06/2015 at 02:53:50
Give him a chance. None of us gave Gibson a chance and we know how good he is now. He hasnÂ’t even played a game... christ.
Jamie Sweet
109 Posted 06/06/2015 at 03:05:43
Decent player with a touch of class.

I really donÂ’t understand whatÂ’s not to like.

"He once played for Wigan he must be shit!"

"I heard a few Manc gobshites saying heÂ’s shit so he must be!"

"HeÂ’s free and didnÂ’t cost us 㿅million so heÂ’s nothing more than a Manc reject!"

Watch him play a few games first for ChristÂ’s sake, then please feel free to return wiping the egg from your face.

Mike Gaynes
110 Posted 06/06/2015 at 03:27:12
John Pickles #89... well in, mate. Gave me a chuckle.
Mark Andersson
111 Posted 06/06/2015 at 03:16:30
I like many on here wanted Martines sacked, but this is brilliant news, a great signing. ThatÂ’s down to MartinezÂ’s charismatic persona. This will be looked back at as the pivotal turning point. We will hit the ground running, with entertaining footie.

Sure there will be a few bad ones to fuel the negative moaning supporters. LetÂ’s get behind the team and manager for next season.

Oh, the other great news is, the groundsman has solved the sticky grass problem.

Watch Ross and Cleverly destroy everyone in there path.

Darren Hind
112 Posted 06/06/2015 at 05:07:24
You get what you donÂ’t pay for.
Matt Traynor
113 Posted 06/06/2015 at 05:14:42
Jamie (#109), people will say all sorts of shite if it fits their agenda.

On another thread, someone said signing him this early showed a lack of ambition. This, when the clubÂ’s been accused of leaving signings late so as not to have to pay them over the summer.

It was funny for a while, but sadly itÂ’s become repetitive.

Peter Laverty
114 Posted 06/06/2015 at 05:39:05
Shocked and appalled once again. Not by the signing of Cleverly, I think itÂ’s a very smart move, but by the unbelievable negativity of some of the posters on here. HeÂ’s 25, free, English, Premier League experience and not a bad player at all.

Barry and Gibson have at times been outstanding for Everton, both of them are ageing and certainly one of them injury prone. This is a logical smart piece of business. People need to get a grip and stop slagging off everything Martinez does.

Brian Hill
115 Posted 06/06/2015 at 06:30:35
Peter Laverty, spot on. My knowledge of Cleverley is limited as I only watch Everton but I welcome him to the greatest club in the world and will support him unconditionally.
John Hughes
116 Posted 06/06/2015 at 06:33:31
Peter(114) Hear Hear, letÂ’s stop all this negativity and give the guy some credit and show his ability before slagging him off. I recall people moaning when we signed Jags before he played a game and he has done very well for us. COYB
Matt Stephens
117 Posted 06/06/2015 at 07:29:32
Interesting to read some of the Villa websites, They seem to all agree that he will be a big loss for them.

Think he will turn out to be good for us.

Chris James
118 Posted 06/06/2015 at 06:46:46
Â’How times have changed since 1990Â’ - yes Jay #92. In he last 25 years unsurprisingly quite a lot has changed.

The foundation of the premier league was a relatively sizeable one for instance bringing with it a massive refocusing of wealth and the onset of some huge buyouts. Of course bk wasnÂ’t in charge for the first 7 years of the pl, Peter Johnson and co were - and if my memory serves we werenÂ’t exactly grasping the nettle in those days...in fact we spent many of the gplÂ’s formative years dicing with relegation and finishing between 13-17th (with exception of 94-95 when we hit 6th with the help of a Utd Â’rejectÂ’ called kanchelskis).

In the 13 seasons since Bill kenwright became chairman and appointed his own managerial choice in Moyes for a full season (Walter smithÂ’s disastrous reign of expensive ageing stars was conceived under Carter/Johnson) we only finished outside the top 8 three times, once being the second season major wobble under Moyes to 17th and the other two in 11th (including Martinez second season wobble just gone) otherwise the club has been a fixture in European challenging from 4-8th or a more realistic average of 5-7th. And this has been achieved without bankrupting the club or having a massive influx of cash as man city, Chelsea and to lesser degree Liverpool, Man U and arsenal have enjoyed.

ItÂ’s a fair distance still from the heady days of the 80s IÂ’ll grant you and IÂ’m by no means saying the guys a genius or a saint, mistakes have been made all over the place with the Kings dock the biggest and the search for investment seems to have been pretty lightweight.
However the fact that season tickets are at record levels, that the club is seen as a viable challenger for European football each season, that we have a very decent first team core that other clubs covet (notably stones, Barnes, jags, Coleman, McCarthy, lukaku, Mirallas, Barkley, besic) and that an 11th place finish plus decent Europa cup run is viewed as a disaster season does suggest that bkÂ’s reign isnÂ’t all bad. A long way off the 80s A grade and certainly could do better but a marked improvement over his predecessor.

Liam Hawes
119 Posted 06/06/2015 at 07:45:27
Just watched this lad on you tube......HeÂ’s boss!
Clive Rogers
120 Posted 06/06/2015 at 08:12:57
Chris #118,

We won the FA cup in Â’95 under Johnson.

Clive Rogers
121 Posted 06/06/2015 at 08:19:27
Peter #114,

Barry is ageing. Martinez gave him a three year deal on 80 grand a week at the age of 33 of which he still has two years to go.

Laurie Hartley
122 Posted 06/06/2015 at 07:38:15
I am happy about this signing. If he comes with the same mentality and commitment as Neville and Gibson he will be very good signing.
Joe Green
123 Posted 06/06/2015 at 08:55:07
Clive,

Do you know that to be true? ItÂ’s criminal if so! CouldnÂ’t there be appearance clauses at least in case of injury in year 2 or 3? Is RM soley in charge of contracts or shouldnÂ’t the CEO also sign-off? How does it work?

Clive Rogers
124 Posted 06/06/2015 at 09:00:47
Joe,

That is what I understand, what was reported. He was on 120 grand a week in the previous loan season from city and held out for a three year contract.

Dave Abrahams
125 Posted 06/06/2015 at 08:58:37
Chris (118) have a good look at the state of the club financially when Kenwright took over and have a look at the the club financially now.

The man has been a huge disaster and he hasnÂ’t finished yet, God help us!!!!!!!.

Rob Halligan
127 Posted 06/06/2015 at 09:10:22
Just drop this "heÂ’s another ex Wigan player".
HeÂ’s not, heÂ’s an ex man utd player.
Why donÂ’t you say ex villa, or ex Leicester or ex Watford?
Clive Rogers
128 Posted 06/06/2015 at 09:22:20
Dave, #125,

ThatÂ’s correct. We were always financially sound under Moores and that continued under Johnson who even left money in the kitty when he went. Then Kenwright took over and the balance dipped for years until the recent tv money. Sunderland have 㿞M this summer!

Nigel Gregson
129 Posted 06/06/2015 at 09:51:18
Rob - its just a general anti Martinez overtone that pretty much dominates all threads in ToffeeWeb these days.
Jack Cross
130 Posted 06/06/2015 at 09:15:48
I donÂ’t rate Cleverley but we have him now! So lets see what he can do, and simply judge him on his performance.

Threre is a Nottingham forest player who can play in several positions. Greg Halford 30, right back, centre back, centre midfield, right midfield and even up front as striker. He would be a good squad addition in my opinion. I know what most of you think about lower league players. But when your cash strapped, you have to have other options, a plan B. ThereÂ’s another player also IÂ’d like to see in a blue shirt, Cyrus Christie 22 Derby and R/Ireland defender. And loan wise Kenneth Omeruo 21,, Centre Back, from Chelsea. But was loaned out to Middlebough last season.

Sandra Bowen
131 Posted 06/06/2015 at 09:56:30
Barry is ageing....everyone is ageing for gods sake, itÂ’s a fact of life. My ten month old is a day older than he was yesterday. Quite straight forward really.

Barry didnÂ’t have his best season last year but he is still a very very good player and will be vital to our coming season. YouÂ’ll always remember him getting caught in possession but forget the other 100 times a game were he keeps it and makes us play. Top player and weÂ’re lucky to have him.

Tony Abrahams
132 Posted 06/06/2015 at 09:43:13
Dave; Clive, heÂ’s one of us though. WhatÂ’s wrong with selling all our assets and taking out big repayment loans. Robert Elston actually said that renting Finch Farm off the council is an innovative move!

God Forbid if we never had this board, think of the mess we would be in!

Not sure if I wanted Cleverly but heÂ’s one of us now, so I wish him all the best and hope his desire is as big as his bank account. The lad can play, itÂ’s just that these kids are already that rich, you just wonder if they need to push themselves enough, sometimes.

Phil Walling
133 Posted 06/06/2015 at 09:50:05
Chris James @ 118: You are correct that viewed only on our end of season places, BKÂ’s reign has been well above average - and that applies to some lengthy periods when the club was in the control of the Moores family.

For that, BK must thank managers Moyes and Martinez who have, one way or another, managed to deliver Â’on budgetÂ’ given the odd blip. Only the Â’moneybagsÂ’ clubs can match that record over the last 15 years !

All that is to ignore the disasters of KingÂ’s Dock and Kirkby, the failure to maximise commercial income and PR disasters aplenty.

But then, they tell us we canÂ’t have everything and very slowly - and at a great distance - I am learning to overcome my prejudices against chairman and manager and focus on Â’the big pictureÂ’.

Perhaps, the fact that I shall not be putting over � into the ClubÂ’s coffers next season has something to do with my relaxed viewpoint. ?

Tom Cuffe
134 Posted 06/06/2015 at 08:57:47
A good addition to the squad, the starting 11 I am not so sure, only time will tell. Best of Luck Tom.
Bobby Thomas
135 Posted 06/06/2015 at 10:29:17
Sandra #131

Spectacularly missing the wider point.

Giving a 100k a week, 3 year deal, to 33 year old footballer when you have already had a year out of them and the squad is the 2nd oldest in the Prem, is a bad idea.

John Crawley
136 Posted 06/06/2015 at 10:37:28
Is it possible for Martinez to be any more conservative or risk adverse in the transfer market? When you are at a financial disadvantage youÂ’re not going to be successful in the transfer market by working this way.
Moyes set up a very advanced scouting/sourcing team and he put a lot of time and effort into selecting the right players. He got the vast majority of his decisions correct and took calculated risks. He had his faults as a manager but he was excellent in the transfer market.
The point isnÂ’t whether Cleverly is free or young or an England international its whether heÂ’s the best that we can get to enable us to play fast attacking possession based football? The dichotomy between the players we sign and the way Martinez wants us to play is startling and it will be this that finishes him off as EvertonÂ’s manager.
John Paul McGurk
137 Posted 06/06/2015 at 10:50:40
We need QUALITY not quantity. Was it 2-3 years ago after 3 months of the season we were in the top 5 in Europe for creating chances and last year was dire maybe 2 to 3 chances on target. We badly miss Pienaar and hope he is fit for next season. We need a number 10 like Nolito, Gerard D and another striker
Colin Glassar
139 Posted 06/06/2015 at 11:15:01
We need both JPM. Of course we need quality but Cleverley is a player who can do a job when needed. HeÂ’s hardly Iniesta or Pogba but he isnÂ’t Scott Gemmill or Linderoth is he?
Phil, is this a long or short term self imposed exile?
Phil Walling
140 Posted 06/06/2015 at 11:41:20
Colin, I have vowed not to go to matches whilst Martinez is in charged so there is no great rush for me to go back to Merseyside. But, perhaps, by October weÂ’ll be top of the league and I will hasten home !

As far as Cleverley is concerned, it matters not one jot what he has or hasnÂ’t done for his several clubs in the past but more whether or not he can deliver good value on his 㾶 M contract with Everton FC.

Ian Lloyd
141 Posted 06/06/2015 at 13:18:18
This is such and uninspiring signing; even the pundits, jornos etc are laughing at this. I truly hope he delivers at Everton and proves everyone wrong but canÂ’t see it personally.

I love this quote from Bobby: "It says a lot also, when someone like Tom is available on a free transfer" – Yes it does say a lot, he’s not good enough for the top and we got no hope in hell of finishing anywhere near the top 4. Expect more boring shite football next season, pass left, pass right, pass back ....yawn

Kone, Cleverley, McGeady, Naismith, Barry, Gibson, Hibbert, Osman & Howard... even Pienaar... These players will not get us Champions League football.

Gibson I like, good player but he is injury prone and has played about 35 games in his total Everton career, I read the other day which is a shame but we need to get people like this off the wage bill.

Osman has been a good servant, maybe good for 1 more year as a sub for last 15 / 20 mins.

Ernie Baywood
142 Posted 06/06/2015 at 13:32:24
I remember watching him at Man Utd and thinking that I couldnÂ’t believe he had a rep as a decent young player. He was shite!

I suppose itÂ’s a free transfer, right age so shouldnÂ’t grumble too much. HeÂ’ll get my backing in blue.

Welcome to Everton... now prove me wrong!

Craig Mills
144 Posted 06/06/2015 at 13:35:08
I donÂ’t know if itÂ’s been mentioned previous on this thread but the papers reporting this morning James McCarthy set for showdown talks with Martinez as he not happy that Cleverly has been signed on 50k a week with a 1m signing on fee and McCarthy has not been offered new terms on his 35k a week deal.

I personally think we could now sell McCarthy, he is the most valuable asset in our central midfield. We now have McCarthy, Cleverley, Gibson, Besic, Osman, Barkley and Barry looking to fill 2 positions, it doesnÂ’t really add up have all these players unless some are heading out?

Tom Bowers
146 Posted 06/06/2015 at 13:42:10
The lad had some talent but doesnÂ’t seem to have progressed since his younger days. We have to forget about him being an England international as under Hodgson my grandmother could get a cap. I do hope he doesnÂ’t have any Everton games like he did in the cup final where he was anonymous and looked slow.

Maybe under the Â’Â’charismaÂ’Â’ of Martinez he will be come a positive factor in EvertonÂ’s midfield alongside Macca, Besic and Barkley depending on your particular starters. It would certainly seem that a few others will now be let go.

David Chait
149 Posted 06/06/2015 at 13:49:07
Craig what you are saying is heresy! But I support you!
Same reason I said we should sell Baines 2 seasons ago... It was the height of his value and about to drop dramatically.

Saying that McCarthy has many years of value but itÂ’s a luxury. The central midfield should be Barkley plus one be it Besic or Cleverley (assuming McCarthy goes).

Cash in and fill the critical Number 10.

Steven Higgott
153 Posted 06/06/2015 at 13:37:29
I canÂ’t see any negativity about this signing. RM has obviously seen that we needed to sure up the CM position as, for me, BarryÂ’s legs canÂ’t carry him for 90 minutes any longer, though he still has something to offer. Besic is still finding his way; McCarthy is quality. Gibson is injury prone but quality when fit; Osman a bit-part player but over the season all these players will play a part.

This transfer has been done early in the know that RM can now use the transfer kitty with that position now secured for the season. We all know we need a Number 10 and a striker a left winger and a good quality CB. This will come at a cost so, if this signing has helped to keep back the money we need for those players, then it will be a great signing.

Good luck, Tom – show all us blues fans what you are made of.

Joseph Clarke
158 Posted 06/06/2015 at 14:56:59
Welcome! Hope he does well, now that he is one of us.
Drew Shortis
160 Posted 06/06/2015 at 15:28:46
IÂ’m happy with this swift bit of business. A current England international on a free is a pretty rare thing these days. I would expect his wages to be comporable to Distins, so apart from any signing on or agents fees we have got a bargain. Sure heÂ’s not the playmaker we are hoping to aquire, but you have to take these opportunities when they come up. Best of luck to him!

IÂ’m not as sceptical as some about our prospects in the transfer window. There is a lot of TV money coming in and we are not under pressure to sell. As the board showed last summer, they are not afraid to invest a fair chunk in a prospect like Lukaku. I would aim to bring in one or two quality players each summer instead of spreading the money out on 4-5 mediocre ones. We might not get instant results, but I will be happy if there is a 3-4 year plan to take the squad to the next level. We just donÂ’t have the resources to do it in one spending spree.

Clive Rogers
161 Posted 06/06/2015 at 15:42:52
Sandra (#131),

I donÂ’t think Barry is still a very good player. He was poor the last 10 games and shocking the last game against Spurs. His pace has gone and he rarely gets a tackle in.

Martinez has swopped his role with McCarthey, asking Barry to stay back because he canÂ’t get forward any more. Three goals first season; none last season.

Greg Mckerracher
162 Posted 06/06/2015 at 15:55:38
Just to put it in perspective – Wolfsburg (Champions League, Bundlesliga contenders, wealthy backers) amongst others were heavily interested in Tom. He chose Everton instead. One signing in, no money spent. Not really any negatives.
Dave Ganley
163 Posted 06/06/2015 at 15:42:22
Well regardless of my opinion that he is an average player, he is here now and I shall give him my full support as I do every other Everton player.

If we manage to get players in the areas that we are sadly lacking, 2 wingers and another striker/no 10 then fine, if not then I shall be very irritated that we have gone for another CM that we are quite overloaded with already.

Al #76...Barkley, Besic, Cleverley, McCarthy being a midfield for years to come??? God I hope not, no width, still 2 defensive midfielders and and not a lot of creativity... I thought weÂ’d had enough of that for a lifetime this season

Colin Glassar
164 Posted 06/06/2015 at 15:58:43
Drew, IÂ’m still flabbergasted that weÂ’ve done our first bit of business in June. We usually (under dithering Dave at least) didnÂ’t start identifying our 1-2 targets until late July early August.
Rob Coles
165 Posted 06/06/2015 at 16:32:28
Â’It says a lot also, when someone like Tom is available on a free transfer and he can pick his next club out of many options home and abroad, that he has chosen to play for our football clubÂ’.

It could also say that he is overrated or not good enough for any one else to take a gamble.

Ever the optimist I prefer to welcome someone who outwardly wants to play for Everton Football Club.

I also remember some harsh criticism of a certain player from Norwich, one Dave Watson, when he arrived at Goodison.............the annals of EFC is full of poor unrated players who went on to be stalwarts and BIG favourites amongst the fans. I hope that this signing is another that will prove the doubters wrong!

Phil Walling
166 Posted 06/06/2015 at 16:34:50
Colin, for once your memory is playing tricks with you! Amongst the players Moyes brought here before July were Beckford, Jacobsen, Van der Meyde, Johnson, Howard, Arteta, Krøldrup, Ruddy and Yobo.

A mixed bag, granted, but I do think that every Everton manager is constrained from early signings for financial reasons rather than lethargy or indecision.

Philip Roberts
167 Posted 06/06/2015 at 17:18:20
I havenÂ’t been this excited since we signed Danny Williamson from West Ham.Nothing against the lad but I just canÂ’t see him improving us in any way..IÂ’m ready to be proved wrong though,hereÂ’s hoping.
Brian Keenan
168 Posted 06/06/2015 at 17:59:03
http://babb.telegraph.co.uk/2014/09/the-20-best-defenders-in-the-premier-league-so-far-august-2014/?ath=

I hope now that the Everton Manager knows that we do need these kind of players at Everton.

Pete Edwards
169 Posted 06/06/2015 at 17:55:22
All the negative posters only do it so they can say "told you so" whenever the lad has a poor game but you can bet your life they wonÂ’t pipe up when he plays well!

Also, Clive, I always thought that we werenÂ’t that well off under Johnson, I know we signed some players for decent fees like Materazzi and Dacourt but didnÂ’t we have to sell them as we had no money and had to recoup? So spending what we didnÂ’t have.

Andy Osborne
170 Posted 06/06/2015 at 18:11:28
I havenÂ’t posted this season because I was depressed. Both with the on field performances and the posts on ToffeeWeb. This thread is no different. But, and I am not sure why, I have a feeling of optimism for the coming campaign.

Cleverly hasnÂ’t signed because he wants to play for Everton, he has signed because he wants to play for RM. He is an experienced player and and international. He will slot in alongside McCarthy, as a replacement for Barry. He is not the best player in his position, we cannot afford that, but he is good. He will improve our team. Give the lad a chance, and get behind the team.

Andy Osborne
171 Posted 06/06/2015 at 18:25:08
Also, to put one misconception to bed, permenantly. Businesses budget capital expenditure and operational expenditure, separately. CapEx is purchasing of assets, i.e. transfer fees, signing on fees and agents fees. OpEx is wages. Getting a player on free transfer is great. It frees up more CapEx to do other stuff, but has an impact on OpEx.

In other words, this signing doesn’t affect our ability to sign other players, and the wage bill is covered by the savings made with players we offload, like Distin. Yes Cleverley will cost us 㾻 million over the course of his contract, but that is OpEx.

I wish I owned Everton, IÂ’d rip through this shower of wankers like a dose of salts. Having said that, this is good business.

Colin Glassar
172 Posted 06/06/2015 at 18:39:36
Good post Andy. My dad used to say, if youÂ’re not a moaning, miserable bugger youÂ’re not a real Evertonian. My god, we donÂ’t win trophies but if there was a trophy for moaning...
Phil Walling
173 Posted 06/06/2015 at 18:49:30
My gawd, Colin, weÂ’ve always got plenty to moan about!
Andy Osborne
174 Posted 06/06/2015 at 18:49:00
Ha, Colin, too true. The eternal optimism of an Evertonian!!
Andy Walker
175 Posted 06/06/2015 at 19:47:05
An average EPL player joins a below average EPL team, should improve us... just a bit.

We can dream of top half.

Andy Crooks
176 Posted 06/06/2015 at 20:28:05
Chris # 118, what players are you referring to when you talk of the expensive ageing stars of Walter SmithÂ’s disastrous reign?

Also, hereÂ’s an idea for those who find this site too negative. Post some happy, positive stuff.

Ian Doyle
177 Posted 06/06/2015 at 20:46:01
IÂ’d never slag off an Everton player who actually wants to play for us and hasnÂ’t even kicked a ball yet.
Lev Vellene
180 Posted 06/06/2015 at 21:43:19
I usually care a lot, and do my moaning and groaning as is proper, but once a player submits to pull on that Royal Blue jersey, I donÂ’t care about the name or reputation, just about the amount of sweat shed for the team.

So welcome! DonÂ’t get booÂ’d too long, sink a low one into the corner at the next Derby, especially if against expectations! Hero status until you prove otherwise!

Well, he could do it... ;P

Rick Tarleton
181 Posted 06/06/2015 at 23:14:05
What are the wages like at villa that he opts for us?
Nicholas Ryan
182 Posted 07/06/2015 at 00:12:42
ArenÂ’t Â’heÂ’s rubbishÂ’ Â’heÂ’s hopelessÂ’ ..... and ........Â’10 minutes ago, he was called into the England squadÂ’ , mutually exclusive!
Steve Sweeney
183 Posted 07/06/2015 at 00:17:03
This will be a good signing for Everton.
Liu Weixian
185 Posted 07/06/2015 at 02:07:43
Being called up for England does not mean much these days as England are shite.
Jon Cox
187 Posted 07/06/2015 at 10:55:21
The omens are good.

The last time we had a TC in the side......

James Marshall
188 Posted 07/06/2015 at 11:45:57
Is it worth me mentioning that we havenÂ’t actually signed him yet? HeÂ’s still contracted to Man Utd until July 1st, and all weÂ’ve actually done is Â’agreed a dealÂ’ in principle to sign him when it expires.

HeÂ’s still free to speak to other parties, and who knows what might transpire between now and July.

It would be typical Everton to jump the gun, announce the signing of a player a lot of people are underwhelmed about anyway, then for someone else to come in and sign him!

Phil Walling
189 Posted 07/06/2015 at 11:54:15
James, heÂ’s EvertonÂ’s. Believe me, he ainÂ’t gonna go away now heÂ’s got that mega contract in the bag... er bank!
James Marshall
190 Posted 07/06/2015 at 12:03:45
I was just being mischievous really, Phil ;-)

You never know though......

Nicholas Ryan
191 Posted 07/06/2015 at 20:36:39
A question I would put to the anti-Cleverley posters, is:

OK, if not him, then who?

Who else; (a) plays in a similar role; (b) is the right age; (c) is affordable; (d) wants to come?

John Crawley
192 Posted 07/06/2015 at 21:14:27
Nicholas what role is Cleverly going to play? Ferguson thought he was an attacking midfielder, Martinez played him on the left hand side of midfield, what exactly are his strengths?

His stats show he keeps possession but doesnÂ’t make key passes. He doesnÂ’t make many assists and he doesnÂ’t score that many goals. If weÂ’re going to have a discussion about who would be better then we need to know how heÂ’s going to play!

Sondre Haga
194 Posted 07/06/2015 at 22:58:42
Good signing this. Aggressive player with a good engine. Villa was prepared to pay ٥ mill for him less than a year ago, now we get him for free. We still need a classy creative midfielder though.
Dee Gidwani
195 Posted 08/06/2015 at 08:29:54
If we paid a transfer fee, then I could see why people would be upset... but on a free transfer whatÂ’s the harm. Worst case heÂ’ll be a squad player to fill in when needed.

Good business in my opinion.

Phil Walling
196 Posted 08/06/2015 at 09:02:41
Dee, whatÂ’s the difference between paying a transfer fee than giving the player a huge signing-on fee and amortising it over the five years of his contract? No VAT, thatÂ’s all!
Drew Shortis
197 Posted 08/06/2015 at 09:11:38
I doubt the signing-on fee we have payed to Cleverly is anywhere near his market value. Say we payed him a million. If he was in contract at Man Utd, he has got to be worth ٤m+ in today's market. However you look at it, we have done some good business here.

I also think he will add to our squad. With Besic coming more into the first team to take over from Barry this will allow McCarthy, Cleverly and Gibson (when fit) to play a more advanced role to link up with Naismith or Barkley. I do think we could do with an Arteta type playmaker, but they are few and far between and will cost a considerable amount if available.

If Martinez can bring in a centre-back, offload Mirallas and bring in Lennon and Deulofeu, find a decent backup striker (like Austin) and locate that elusive playmaker then we will be looking really strong. I would expect us to get in three out of the five we need, but you never know with Martinez. He has surprised us on the transfer market before. Fingers crossed!!

James Marshall
198 Posted 08/06/2015 at 09:17:00
We are Everton!

So the best we can hope for is the Tom CleverleyÂ’s of this world.

I donÂ’t think itÂ’s a bad signing, itÂ’s a decent one. The kid can play a bit, Ferguson thought so and so have a few England managers. He can pass, has a good engine, getÂ’s up & down the field, is the right age and has a point to prove.

We donÂ’t have the draw or the cash for the best players out there, and IÂ’m a lot happier with Cleverley than I would be if we signed players like McManaman or some other no-mark from Wigan.

(I know Cleverley played for Wigan on loan.)

Phil Walling
199 Posted 08/06/2015 at 12:58:49
Hey James, itÂ’s not only Everton who are getting stuck with the Â’freebiesÂ’ this summer as RS make it a threesome with Danny Ings joining Milner and the Bolton goalie.

Perhaps, like our Â’boardÂ’ the Yanks are not prepared to back their manager with transfer funds as his tenure may be short term!

James Marshall
200 Posted 08/06/2015 at 13:30:15
Absolutely, Phil - I think itÂ’s also an indictment of where the RS have fallen to as well as us. TheyÂ’re another club clinging to past glories, and have been overtaken by the obvious suspects as we all know.

Milner coming to the end of his contract, Ings a freebie from a relegated smaller club and Bogdan an also-ran keeper......sounds familiar eh!

Paul Tran
201 Posted 08/06/2015 at 13:34:58
ItÂ’s more an indictment of the vast amount they spent on a batch of very ordinary players last summer.

As for us, I keep hearing the words of our old mate Peter Johnson, "Blend, blend rather than spend, spend."

James Marshall
202 Posted 08/06/2015 at 13:40:50
Fair point, Paul – the Spurs scattergun approach post-Bale didn’t work for them or the RS.

I do feel their stock has sharply dropped off though, which is also part of the reason they wasted so much money on ordinary players last year too.

The Premier League is fast becoming very London-centric outside of Man City & Man Utd as well. Even the second level players from Europe seem content to go to London clubs purely because of location. There are so many issues attached to buying players these days, that club history seems very low down the list.

Jim Hardin
203 Posted 08/06/2015 at 17:22:23
Worst case is he adds depth and little else if his stats are correct and he plays to them. If he plays above them then it is a bonus.

My one problem is why a 5-year contract? Is it a rule that Everton must offer five years to everyone? If he doesnÂ’t work out, I hope there is a buyout clause or his wages will continue to eat into EvertonÂ’s future transfer prospects down the road.

Julian Wait
204 Posted 08/06/2015 at 18:06:51
LetÂ’s give Tom a chance at least. I think heÂ’s a decent player and will do a good job overall. HeÂ’s a typical post 90 signing for us, and whilst heÂ’s not going to win the title for us, even Messi couldnÂ’t do that on his own.
Michael Kenrick
205 Posted 08/06/2015 at 18:14:04
Sorry Julian, for clarification:"Heâ's a typical post 90 signing for us".... What does that mean? Nothing to do with the Chinese Post 90s generation surely? Or are you referring disparagingly to the quality of players signed since 1990? [Just curious...]
Oscar Huglin
206 Posted 08/06/2015 at 18:25:28
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/football/video-1189758/New-Everton-signing-Cleverley-scores-stunning-one-touch-goal.html

Definitely builds my confidence in him. Quality.

Michael Polley
207 Posted 08/06/2015 at 21:10:19
LetÂ’s wait and see. Although I must admit IÂ’m not really impressed by him. LetÂ’s hope he proves me wrong!
Matthew Williams
208 Posted 11/06/2015 at 13:04:44
The new John Ebbrell... great.

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