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Garbutt plays but England U21s lose

19/06/2015  Comments (45)  jump
Luke Garbutt was named in England Under21s' Group B opener against Portugal but he couldn't prevent Gareth Southgate's side from going down 1-0 in Uherske Hradiste.

The Everton defender played the full 90 minutes but was involved in the Portuguese goal, the ball flicking off his heel and into the path of Bernardo Silva.

His effort came back off the post where Joao Mario converted the rebound.

John Stones was missing from the team after he was ruled out with a concussion and will be missing from Sunday's clash with Sweden as well.  


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Victor Yu
1 Posted 19/06/2015 at 07:20:27
He didnÂ’t look good against U21 players. I donÂ’t think he is ready to take over from Baines (maybe in a year or two).

Tony Abrahams
2 Posted 19/06/2015 at 07:11:00
HavenÂ’t seen that much of Garbutt, but when I have, he has never really impressed me.

Hits a great deadball, but doesnÂ’t seem to have much aggression in his game. DoesnÂ’t get tight enough defensively, or doesnÂ’t break forward fast enough, or often enough for me.

Only a kid so I will reserve my judgement till IÂ’ve watched him play a few games. Although Luke might be a more controlled footballer, I actually prefer Galloway at fullback, even though I hear heÂ’s a centre half.

Definitely not worth 㿊 grand a week, I wouldnÂ’t lose much sleep if he were to leave.

Graham Mockford
3 Posted 19/06/2015 at 07:28:01
Tony

I would tend to agree. Going forward he seems to have a bit of composure but my biggest concern is his lack of mobility. HeÂ’s a big framed lad for 22 and I wonder if he will have enough pace to be a top class full back.

Defenders will get better defensively as they learn, Seamus is a good example but if you donÂ’t have the raw material you never will.

It was a shame about Stones last night, the two centre halves were not in the same league and they got a bit of a chasing.

Colin Glassar
4 Posted 19/06/2015 at 08:10:32
England should withdraw from all international competitions at all levels for a few years. We are an embarrassment in tournament football and the money saved from five-star hotels and first-class flights could be used to teach English kids basic football skills and give them time to grow some balls.

I bet our squad earn more money than all the other teams put together. Not even 20 and most of them are multi millionaires who donÂ’t give a toss about playing for their country.

Mike Oates
5 Posted 19/06/2015 at 08:14:29
Defensively heÂ’s worse than Baines and thatÂ’s saying something. Galloway is the better of the 3 at the back, but needs far more games to develop an attacking threat.
Graham Mockford
6 Posted 19/06/2015 at 08:19:54
Mike Oates

I genuinely despair when I read some opinions.

"Defensively he's worse than Baines and that's saying something."

You are talking about the best full back at this club in 50 years and then, just to put the tin hat on it, you think a young lad who has played two (yes, two!) Premier League games is better than Leighton.

Utter pish. Of course all are welcome to their opinions, however ridiculous.

Phil Sammon
8 Posted 19/06/2015 at 08:43:14
Completely agree, Graham. I had to scoop my jaw up from the floor after reading MikeÂ’s comment above. What utter drivel.
Dave Abrahams
9 Posted 19/06/2015 at 09:10:30
Never saw the game but Harold forewarned us that Garbutt would struggle in this game, and that was over ten days ago... IÂ’m sorry it looks like he was proved right.
Ray Roche
10 Posted 19/06/2015 at 09:18:32
Graham, spot on.
Nick Swallow
11 Posted 19/06/2015 at 09:26:49
Well said Graham
Colin Glassar
12 Posted 19/06/2015 at 09:30:33
Another vote for Graham.
David Ellis
13 Posted 19/06/2015 at 09:49:20
Another vote for Graham... but is Baines better than Psycho Pat was in 1985??? But I am sure both are much better than Garbutt will ever be, hardly surprising as these are the best two left full backs weÂ’ve had since Ray Wilson.
Ray Roche
14 Posted 19/06/2015 at 09:53:59
David, in my opinion, Baines is probably the best left back IÂ’ve seen apart from Ray Wilson. Wilson is as good as ANY full back from these shores.
Graham Mockford
15 Posted 19/06/2015 at 09:52:26
David

I loved Pat but he played in an outstanding team. He was probably a better defender than Leighton but he certainly didnÂ’t have the all round game and attacking threat.

LetÂ’s remember Leighton has more PL assists than any defender ever and also not related to his footballing ability never forced a move when Moyes and Man Utd came sniffing.

Dennis Stevens
16 Posted 19/06/2015 at 10:23:27
If youÂ’d said 25 years, Graham, IÂ’d probably agree but 50 years? That would include Gary Stevens & Psycho Pat from that great Â’80s team, arguable, perhaps. But looking back as far as the mid Â’60s youÂ’re comparing with Tommy Wright & Ramon Wilson, doubtful, methinks.
Ciaran Duff
17 Posted 19/06/2015 at 10:36:02
Get rid!
Phil Walling
18 Posted 19/06/2015 at 10:36:08
Talking only of left-backs, I would put Baines only behind Ray Wilson. That covers over 50 years of EvertonÂ’s history. Catterick struggled to replace RW and never saw Brown, Kieth Newton or McLaughlin as adequate for the position.
Graham Mockford
19 Posted 19/06/2015 at 10:40:32
Dennis,

I guess thatÂ’s what I meant by 50 years. My Everton watching started at the beginning of the 70s, I saw Tommy Wright play a few times but at the age of 7 itÂ’s a bit hard to make the comparison.

But their respective records speak for themselves.

Pete Cross
20 Posted 19/06/2015 at 11:06:06
The best fullbacks for me were Ray Wilson and the best sliding tackler, Alex Parker.
Tony Abrahams
21 Posted 19/06/2015 at 11:34:34
When Galloway played the other week, every time he messed up his aggression made up for it. And he kept regaining possession because of it.

Garbutt doesnÂ’t want to run enough for me. Especially without the ball, which is something that sets Baines apart from any other fullback I have seen in my 40 years watching Everton

As Colin says, the money these kids are on is scandalous, especially when you consider how early. you now have to pay, for your next season ticket.

Ray Roche
22 Posted 19/06/2015 at 11:56:17
Phil@18

You mention Keith Newton, I seem to recall Newton being played left back for Everton when he was a right back for England.

Tommy Wright was or right back I was surprised to see that he only played 47 times for us.

Sandy Brown wasnÂ’t just a full back, I think he played in every position for us, even centre forward. Much underrated.

Phil Walling
23 Posted 19/06/2015 at 12:09:49
Ray, Tommy Wright played 378 games for Everton almost all of them at right back. I never understood the Newton signing as he was definitely seen as a RIGHT back at his previous club, Blackburn Rovers. I know for a fact that The Catt soon decided he had made a big mistake with his signing possibly because he often chose Â’to play out from the back.Â’ (Would have suited Roberto!)

Few would disagree with you about Sandy Brown who could put in a shift in virtually any position and, like most of that ilk, suffered in the cause.

Alex Fox
24 Posted 19/06/2015 at 11:38:25
Baines has more Premier League assists than David Beckham. More than Paul Scholes. And this is in spite of – arguably his only major weakness – his sub-par corner kicks. The guy’s a phenom. We’ll be lucky if Garbutt’s half the player.
Tom Bowers
25 Posted 19/06/2015 at 12:26:07
Everton have had some classy players at right back but Gary Stevens was probably as good as any and Ray Wilson at left back unsurpassed.
Kase Chow
26 Posted 19/06/2015 at 12:34:12
Garbutt is massively overrated by some posters on this site.
John Keating
27 Posted 19/06/2015 at 12:44:12
Phil,

I recall Newton was a right back, however, I agree with Ray; I recall Newton playing most, if not all of his games for us at left back.

No matter whoever played or plays at left back he would never be as good as Wilson: pure class, either defending or attacking.

John Graham
28 Posted 19/06/2015 at 13:25:13
IÂ’d also like to put a vote in for John Gidman. Maybe got him near the end of his career but solid and good going forward. DonÂ’t forget we still Oviedo too who did a good job before his injury.
Sam Hoare
29 Posted 19/06/2015 at 13:26:58
Baines is a great player, without a doubt one of the best left backs of the Premier League era. Garbutt is a kid with lots of potential who is probably as good if not better than Leighton was at the same age.

We are lucky to have them both and I hope it stays that way.

Paul Thompson
30 Posted 19/06/2015 at 13:30:48
I watched the game, or most of it. Garbutt was ok, but the idea that he is anywhere close to Baines is laughable. IÂ’m not that bothered whether he goes or stays.

England really missed Stones. The two centre-backs were given a bit of a chasing. More generally it was the usual problem – effort and individual skill versus technically better players. Guess who won?

Ray Roche
31 Posted 19/06/2015 at 13:35:47
Ye Phil it was a strange signing when we already had Tommy Wright, to sign another right back! And both of them what we used to call overlapping full backs. Yes, Martinez would appreciate Newton with his cultured play and his ability to bring the ball out. Made a few goals too.
Derek Thomas
32 Posted 19/06/2015 at 14:05:09
Keith Newton was one of the very few who could and did play left or right back... and well.

Newton was signed as cover / replacement for Sandy Brown who had been... more or less, accidentally, inadvertently, hung out to dry by Harry Catterick in a TV Interview (which led to HarryÂ’s Â’hateredÂ’ of TV). Add in SandyÂ’s OG = total confidence nose dive, hence the signing.

True, honest.

Dave Abrahams
33 Posted 19/06/2015 at 14:13:46
Ray (22) you maybe getting mixed up with his cousin who played centre-half but also played some games at right back. Think his name was Tommy Wright but might have been Billy.
Paul Kennedy
34 Posted 19/06/2015 at 14:31:43
Oh how I feel sorry for some of the writers who've never seen better full backs. Those were the days, when a full back stopped the opposition from scoring and crossing – not like the wing runners of today. Tommy Wright and Ray Wilson would give all the modern day full backs a lesson in how a defender should operate.

Then Gary Stevens moved it on but was still a solid defender. If you look at all of the modernday defenders, starting with Cole, Johnson, Baines, Clyne even Danni Alves – great until they have to perform in the role for which they were picked then they are found wanting.

We should build a solid defense, create from midfield attack from the wings and forwards to score – not have players being caught out of position as on many occasions last year

Jim Hardin
35 Posted 19/06/2015 at 14:37:21
How is it that Garbutt at 22 is a kid and therefore not expected to do things perfectly or consistently, but Lukaku, at 22 is supposed to be Ronaldo? Is it that Lukaku is 9 days older so should be better?

As for Garbutt being better than Baines, can this finally be put to rest? He is not now better and may never be. Baines is truly one of the class acts at left back and is exciting to watch. He is probably not a world class player but is an international class player by any standards.

Ian Barker
36 Posted 19/06/2015 at 14:55:06
Swansea have just signed an attacking left back, which is good news as they seemed a likely alternative destination for Luke and hopefully is a good sign regarding a new contract.
Kase Chow
37 Posted 19/06/2015 at 15:14:57
Baines is class.
Graham Mockford
38 Posted 19/06/2015 at 15:16:14
Paul,

I understand what you mean but football has moved on, full backs have to be able to contribute going forward. ThatÂ’s why it is hard to compare across generations.

I also disagree with you about Ashley Cole. The most complete full back of his generation and it was his defensive abilities that marked him out above Leighton, much as it pains me to say so.

Eric Owen
39 Posted 19/06/2015 at 15:51:36
I was glad I watched the game yesterday as it confirmed for me my belief that Garbutt is a journeyman player. The goal Portugal scored was a mistake by Garbutt and one thing I noticed was how the English players never seemed to want to bring him into the game. Time and again they changed the play to the right wing even when he was really open.

I notice some comments here about his ability to cross a ball; well, it was missing yesterday. His loose marking also was noticeable.

I think Everton have decided he is not for them although, if they renewed his contract, perhaps they could get a return on the money so far spent on his development. Then, perhaps not... as I donÂ’t see other teams breaking down Goodison doors wanting him.

Tony Abrahams
40 Posted 19/06/2015 at 16:38:26
Gramme 38, IÂ’m in total agreement with you regarding Ashley Cole, he was a great defender, and I still remember how he pulled Chelsea through against Barca when Terry got sent off.

Paul, this is the reason IÂ’m not sure about Garbutt; heÂ’s not great defensively so he needs to be better offensively, the modern game requires it!

Ray Roche
41 Posted 19/06/2015 at 18:19:37
Dave Abrahams @33

Dave, Tommy Wright was the right back who also played right back for England. Keith Newton was also a right back but Catterick used him on the left. As you say, there was also a Billy Wright who was mainly a centre half and had...er... a battle with his weight, as I recall, and I think he came some seasons later.

In 70-71 Tommy Wright played 40 league games and K Newton only 21, the most he played in any season with us.

Colin Glassar
42 Posted 19/06/2015 at 22:43:09
Late to this but, Mike Pejic was my favourite left-back of all time. Tough as nails but he could play as well. Pejic and Thomas (PeMas) were the Bainaar of their day. BainseyÂ’s good but heÂ’s still behind Wilson, Pejic and Nuno Valente (just kidding) IMO.
Nitesh Kanchan
44 Posted 20/06/2015 at 08:33:55
I don’t know much about the players before 2005 as I started watching football then, but would they reject Man Utd if they were playing now? Or score two stunning free kicks left and right like Baines did against West Ham? Or still happily play for Everton in spite of being stripped of his penalty duties, which he has been taking for so long – players leave clubs nowadays for silly fights over penalties.

For me, Baines is a legend, even if he doesn't win anything with us.

Eric Holland
45 Posted 21/06/2015 at 12:46:16
Just heard Garbutt is signing a 5-year deal.
Then going out on loan to Bournemouth for a season.
Eric Holland
46 Posted 21/06/2015 at 23:46:59
Told you!!!
Tony Williams
47 Posted 23/06/2015 at 08:50:12
A lot of youngsters with promise somehow donÂ’t reach their potential; I donÂ’t understand this. How can youngsters with talent lose it all of a sudden? Michael Ball comes to mind among many others.

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