Everton is no stepping stone for Koeman

Thursday 17 November 2016  40 Comments  [Jump to last]
Ronald Koeman has rejected the widely-posited assertion that managing the Blues is just another means of getting closer to the Barcelona job and insists he is 100% focused on Everton.

For one reason or another, the ambitious Dutchman has yet to remain in one managerial post for more than three years and his decision to leave Southampton with 12 months remaining on his contract to take up the post at Goodison Park was seen as further evidence of his desire to take another step up in his career.

Managing his former club, Barça has been assumed to be his ultimate goal — he stated earlier this week that he would like to eventually manage the Netherlands' national side as well — but, in an interview with the press as part of the Kick It With Help anti-smoking campaign, Koeman says he has learned that you can't plan your career to that degree.

Having explained to Gary Lineker in another interview his reasons for leaving St Mary's Stadium last June — ostensibly it was about a disagreement over the terms of a new deal with the Saints but there were also rumours of a difference of opinion over methods with head of recruitment and development, Les Reed — Koeman was adamant when King asked him if Everton was merely a stepping stone on his journey to the Nou Camp.

"No, no, no, no. No. I don't think so. No," he replied. "[T]hey always speak about Koeman and Barcelona. Everyone knows I have a relationship with Barcelona. Everyone says, 'One day Koeman will be the coach in Barcelona.'

"I had a little bit in my mind that when I went to Valencia it was maybe a good step to do the next step to Barcelona but now I'm more experienced.

"You cannot plan what is going to happen. You cannot plan your life. In life everything is possible. In football everything is possible.

"You can't say, 'I go to Everton [and] in one or two years, I go to Barcelona.' No, no, no. Why? Maybe Everton will be bigger than it is now. Maybe Luis Enrique is doing fantastic for the next three years and they don't need a coach. No! The best thing is to believe in the project: how Everton is.

"You know football. Maybe today the sun shines, maybe tomorrow it rains. I'm in love with Barcelona. Life there is fantastic. It was my best period playing. But Everton? I'm happy here."  

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Kieran Kinsella
1 Posted 18/11/2016 at 01:47:33
Well he's hardly likely to say anything else, is he?
Matt Traynor
2 Posted 18/11/2016 at 02:52:57
It was only 3 short years ago that we had another manager being linked in some quarters to the Barcelona job...
Phil Sammon
3 Posted 18/11/2016 at 03:40:00
"No, no, no, no. No. I don't think so."

Classic. Sounds like that bloke off the Vicar of Dibley.

Mike Green
4 Posted 18/11/2016 at 05:13:16
Let's think of it like this.

Stage One of Moshiri's plan is to get us into the Champions League within 3 years. If Koeman manages it. he is well worth his ٤m pa.

Koemans plan is to manage Barcelona one day and to really prove his credentials he needs to get us in playing with the the big boys so Champions League it is, as soon as possible.

Stage 2 will be keeping us there and hopefully packing out an iconic waterside stadium.

Stage 3 will hopefully be seriously challenging for top honours.

All in all, probably a 10-year plan. An unrealistic one, maybe, but at least it's a long term plan and if Koeman achieves Stage One of that plan alone – which is what Moshiri is paying him ٤m pa to do -– I think we, he and Moshiri will see that as 'job done' for everyone concerned and we can see where we go from there.

They both, after all, have only really just got their feet under the table. Give them a chance.

Chris Gould
5 Posted 18/11/2016 at 07:39:22
It's really not unusual in this day and age for a manager to not stay at a club for more than 3 years. And of course, like in any job, managers are keen to climb the ladder and manage the top clubs.

Why would any manager with ambition, and no connection to the club, feel that they had reached the managerial summit when they landed a job at Everton? Maybe that will change in time, but for an ambitious manager to stay, he'll need to see improvement and backing at the club from top to bottom.

It's going to take a lot of work from everyone to convince the likes of Lukaku and Koeman that they can fulfill their ambitions with us... but it's not impossible.

Ian Brandes
6 Posted 18/11/2016 at 07:53:07
Unfortunately this manager is in danger of becoming a rent-a-quote, and we have had one of those!

Much rather see him doing his talking on the field with his team, and a win against Swansea would be welcome as a starter.

Stephen Ashton
7 Posted 18/11/2016 at 07:58:49
Never short of reading material with Koeman as our manager.

If we get into the Europa League the next 2 seasons and then the Champions League in his third and we have a new riverside stadium, doesn't that make us a 'big' team?

Problem is to get there we need to sign 'big' players and 'big' players won't sign unless we are there.

John Cully
8 Posted 18/11/2016 at 08:32:05
To build a Dynasty in football you have to be committed to that dream and nowadays that dream seems to come more from the owners than the managers as most managers are now just journey men. I'm optimistic that Moshiri is keen to build a Dynasty with Everton, as difficult as that may be.

I also think we need to be more proud of our past success as in 9 league titles. I think that puts us ahead of Chelsea and Man City combined. If they can become the talk of the town then so can we. It's all about standing tall, sticking your chest out and saying we're going to be successful because nothing but the best is good enough.

Eddie Dunn
9 Posted 18/11/2016 at 08:50:22
"They told me I should go to Barca – I said "No, no, no"!"
Mark Andrews
10 Posted 18/11/2016 at 08:55:42
Unless he improves on his efforts in recent weeks, I'd have to agree with him. No chance at all.
Alun Jones
12 Posted 18/11/2016 at 09:50:16
I don't know what all the fuss is about, there is very little loyalty in football either way. If Koeman does not deliver during his tenure, he will be sacked anyway so, if he does get an offer to manage Barcelona in 2 or 3 years time, I can't him blame if he takes it.

Everton fans talk about loyalty but as fans we would rather see good players in our team than loyal ones.

Thomas Lennon
13 Posted 18/11/2016 at 09:53:18
PR for Everton has really changed over the last year. Once there were moaners that the club was opaque, failed to communicate, split the fanbase.

Now, clearly someone is reading our opinions and concerns on this website and others and management is putting out statements 'from the horses mouth' to address those concerns on a regular basis – more than weekly recently it seems. The club is listening and is responding – and is gradually getting better at it too.

So now we have moaners that they never shut up. Perhaps once we string a few wins together everyone will be happy?

Peter Roberts
14 Posted 18/11/2016 at 10:11:53
Maybe he can now focus on growing the team rather than dampening expectations or telling us what players should be playing for other clubs.

I still think this fella will be living from a hotel in a year's time, talking about "Everton" not "we". But let's see what he can do with the next transfer window.

Mark Morrissey
16 Posted 18/11/2016 at 10:33:10
Chris @ 5 & Thomas at 13, once again taking the clearer view.

For some Evertonians they are only happy when we are winning and, other than that, everything appears to be in chaos. If Koeman says he's here for the long term project they snigger and say "you're a liar". If he says " I like Barcelona as a club, I used to play for them" the same people call him a Judas fly-by-night.

As soon as I saw his photo and the strapline "Everton is no stepping stone" I predicted having to read moan after moan, ridiculing him and quotes such as " what load of bollocks".

I'm not quoting anyone per se because they are all entitled to their opinion but don't they get bored writing the same negative guff. Why can't they be proud he's our manager, the mans a legend in Football. He may go on to become a world class manager. He's the Everton manager, just get behind the man. Perhaps these people want a different man. I'd like to see them pluck a name from the hat of jobless managers.

One things for sure, if Moshiri backs him and the stadium build begins in earnest and we get into the Champions League, we will be a different prospect for Koeman and other suitors. It's easy to slag him whilst he's trying to build a team ethic. It's harder to support a team in flux but that is precisely what the club needs right now. They need our full support. It's as simple as that.

Paul Mackie
17 Posted 18/11/2016 at 10:35:37
I like the fact that we have a famous manager who is in demand for interviews. Whatever he says, good or bad, raises the club's profile whenever it's reported.

Bigger profile = more fans = more merchandise sold = more leeway within FFP rules = success on the pitch.

Alan J Thompson
18 Posted 18/11/2016 at 10:50:13
If he doesn't do it here, he won't be getting the chance to do it there.
Mark Murphy
19 Posted 18/11/2016 at 10:52:10
If Koeman gets us into the Champions League in 3 years and our new stadium is being built on the banks of the royal blue Mersey, then he will be one of the best managers Everton have ever had.

Goes the other way with no Champions League and still at Goodison or some other abstract waste, land then he will be a poor Mike Walker.

Mike Berry
20 Posted 18/11/2016 at 11:12:03
I would think that Ronald will stick around long enough to see out Mr Moshiri's plan for Everton, as who knows where we could be in 5 years time, new investments on the field in a new stadium.

However, Barcelona is at present the biggest job in football so who could blame him for taking the opportunity if/when it arises.

If he is good enough for that job, then he will have done a hell of a job for us!

Brian Williams
21 Posted 18/11/2016 at 11:14:56
Paul at 17 hits the nail on the head.

We're already higher profile because Koeman's our manager. If he improves us, our profile will continue to grow.

He doesn't seem like someone who doesn't know what he wants, and how to get it. That can only benefit "us."

Oh, and by the way, how can we expect him to be totally in love with Everton when he's only just got his feet under the table? Martinez "got" Everton and look what he did to us, ffs!

Brian Furey
22 Posted 18/11/2016 at 11:30:33
I watched the BBC show last night (I had recorded) with the Koeman and Gullit interview and I was very impressed. The main thing I liked about him was he hates losing. It makes him angry and so it shows he cares a lot.

He seems to rate Lukaku very highly and has made him feel like he's really wanted/needed at the club and I think Rom has improved this season because of that.

I think we all need to not react so much to what Koeman says as he seems to put his foot in it a bit by saying the truth too bluntly.

Barry Williams
23 Posted 18/11/2016 at 11:52:35
As a language teacher, I am always aware that there can be phrases lost in the translation or just misinterpreted. Certain things are not adequately expressed from one culture to another and sometimes there are no direct translations, think about Black Adder and the Germans having no word for fluffy!

However, I was a bit peeved with what he said about Lukaku, he has come out and explained it, so the benefit of the doubt there!

But what he said about Liverpool, no matter how distasteful to some, imo was correct. Even though they are our neighbors I think many Evertonians need to get over their sensitiveness here and concentrate on things Everton!

Overall, he has been here 2 minutes. The team was lamentable for large parts of last season. The club is still restructuring and I think Koeman's signings have all been decent! People talk about Bolasie's inconsistencies, which are true to a certain extent, but overall he has been our most consistent winger and our main attacking threat outside of Lukaku!

So, yes, Koeman being ambitious can only help Everton. Does he seem a little distant? Yes! How much of that is down to his command of the English language? Really we can't be sure! But so far, despite that awful display at Stamford Bridge, we are going in the right direction!

Gary Edwards
24 Posted 18/11/2016 at 11:54:10
Ron must have "Rehab" on his playlist ...
Mark Morrissey
25 Posted 18/11/2016 at 13:00:30
AlanThompson @ 18, spot on
Oscar Huglin
26 Posted 18/11/2016 at 14:33:20
This'll do.
Barry Williams
27 Posted 18/11/2016 at 15:16:56
Alan (18)


Mark Murphy
28 Posted 18/11/2016 at 15:44:30
I agree with post 19. I wish I'd written that. But I didn't.

To misquote the member in the audience at Mike and Bernie Winters show, "Fuck, there's two of me!"


Brent Stephens
29 Posted 18/11/2016 at 16:26:06
Get us into the Champions League, Ronald, and you can go to Barca with my best wishes.
Erik Dols
30 Posted 18/11/2016 at 16:40:44
Ian Brandes (6)

"Unfortunately this manager is in danger of becoming a rent-a-quote, and we have had one of those!"

Not defending Koeman here, just stating what is. Koeman has been a rent-a-quote for decades. He was one of the best in his time, won everything there was to win, and he is not known to keep his opinions to himself. The media tend to ask these kind of people about everything. I am genuinely surprised that Koeman did not comment on the Trump election yet.

It's that you are an Evertonian and never paid much attention to Koeman that you didn't know this yet. I'm sorry if this sounds patronizing, I just want to prepare you... Media will keep asking Koeman questions and he will keep answering them.

Paul Kossoff
32 Posted 18/11/2016 at 17:15:58
If Koeman gets this squad to top fitness, difficult to beat, and playing with some style, then he's done his job and can leave after 3 years with a pat on the back.

Not a difficult achievement with some financial backing, and if by then we have a new stadium at the docks, we will all be happy. Will it happen? For all true Blues, I hope so.

Barry (#23), Sorry, but as a language teacher you have misinterpreted the language of true Evertonians. No Everton supporter wants those overly lorded, jammy, evil, bastards to win anything, especially the Premier League.

Koeman shouldn't have even given a reply to the idiot reporter who asked him the question. You would think that putting one's foot in it once would make you be sure you wouldn't step in it again.
Jack Convery
33 Posted 18/11/2016 at 17:23:30
If he succeeds, we succeed – it's win-win for us both. I want him to succeed and if that means he leaves us for a "bigger" club so be it. We will have benefitted and will be able to attract a top manager to take over.

Name me a Manager who doesn't want to manage in the Champions League.
Andy Meighan
34 Posted 18/11/2016 at 17:31:08
Paul (#32), I couldn't agree more.
Danny O'Neill
35 Posted 18/11/2016 at 18:10:33
Barry, agree I think a lot of times the foreign managers are misquoted and misinterpreted because no matter how well you speak a foreign language, it's nigh on impossible to express your meaning exactly when not speaking in your native tongue. A lot of context gets lost.

Paul, get your sentiment but I don't recall him saying he "wanted" them to win the league (unless something was lost in translation!!). He said that from what they've shown so far they could be contenders. He also went on to say that having played Man City and Chelsea, they could be contenders too (no shit!!). I'm not liking the "can't do wrong" episode currently going on across the park anymore than the next Evertonian but there's a difference between "want to" and "think they could".

Let's hope it's an Arsenal style demonstration of early season promise.

More important, let's focus on Everton.

Jim Hardin
36 Posted 18/11/2016 at 19:23:05
News flash, of course Everton should be viewed as a stepping stone for a coach at this point in time. In fact, if a coach doesn't see using Everton as a stepping stone to a big club job at one of about 8 clubs (or the USMNT position which will be vacant soon, hopefully), then I don't want him here to begin with. I would fear that such a coach would have a decided lack of ambition.

The only thing I ask is for the coach to be honest about it. Also, he should never tell our players they should improve themselves here so they can go play elsewhere. Instead, he should tell them that they should improve themselves here because that is what they are getting paid for. In fact, he should be telling other players on other teams that they should improve themselves so that they can come to Everton and play for him.

Barry Williams
37 Posted 18/11/2016 at 20:11:42
Paul Kossoff (#32),

Even as an English speaker, you have misinterpreted fellow Evertonians! Who that is attached to Everton (supporter or employee), and I await a response, has said they wanted Liverpool to win anything?

See how easy it is to be misinterpreted!!??

Paul Kossoff
38 Posted 18/11/2016 at 20:27:28
Barry 37, Sorry Barry, I still disagree with what Koeman said and you excusing him for it. Yes, we all see and hear things differently, and I meant no disrespect to you, but our manager should respect the fact that we have a justified dislike for that lot, a dislike that I personally will never ever lose.
Paul Hewitt
39 Posted 18/11/2016 at 21:47:40
Who wouldn't want to manage Barcelona. Who would turn down a bigger a better paid job?
Barry Williams
40 Posted 19/11/2016 at 02:55:07
Paul Kossoff (#38),

Fair enough, mate, I am not excusing him for it as he just stated a fact as far as I can see, and I wouldn't have a go at someone for having a different opinion than me.

My point was, if he was a native English speaker, he may have expressed it differently, whether or not that would be to the dislike of supporters or not. Many Evertonians have been offended by his comment, so in future he may be a little more well versed as to what not to say! Anyways, I guess we can agree that we both want a result this weekend!

Paul Kossoff
41 Posted 19/11/2016 at 03:31:21
Barry (#40), 4-0 to the Blues, if the weather improves.
Geoff Evans
42 Posted 19/11/2016 at 14:09:20
Agree with Alun (#12): Loyalty in football is in short supply.

We have a lot of badge-kissing mercenaries on and off the field who would change clubs tomorrow if the money was better.

That's why we pay our hard-earned coppers to watch millionaires every week. The only personnel who can be called loyal are the supporters who have invested heart and soul in the clubs they support.

Joe Edwards
43 Posted 19/11/2016 at 16:33:26
Barcelona Job? He will be lucky to get a job in Primark if he dosen't sort this fucking team out fast.

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