Bolasie suffers ACL blow

And a hearty middle finger to all the a-holes on yesterday's live forum – you know who you are – who accused him of faking it, or being soft, or wanting out of the game.

This would be a good place to start posting your apologies. If you have the courage.

Looked bad at the time. I've had the same injury and broken pretty much every bone in my body, including my back twice, and nothing hurt like my cruciate. Some players are never the same again so fingers crossed.

The team deserves some critisism but OTT personal abuse isn't necessary!

I certainly don't think a lack of effort or commitment is something you could ever have levelled at him in his time at Everton so far. Always works and always willing to keep trying. He will be a bigger miss than we realise unless we get a decent replacement in in January.

Not sure Memphis Depay is the answer but he at least has a goal in him and I would imagine the speculation linking him to Goodison will now go into overdrive.

It seems cruciate injuries feel ok immediately after treatment when flexing and running a straight line as happened yesterday. As soon as the player turns, bang. I've seen it happen several times.

Unfortunately, Nick's right too... we will likely not see him on the pitch again until August. And given the way he plays, it's probably a full calendar year until he's back on form. Terrible blow.

There's a multitude of things it could be beyond ACL. Regardless, I thought he was hurt but in this day and age so many cry wolf that many fans are cynical.

As a player, he is hit a miss but he's had some assists and goals which is more than can be said for the other wingers.

My take on Bolasie is, if you can accept he will have games when he looks like he's never played, he will also have games where he is unplayable. Some of his crosses are sheer quality and he tries to make things happen.

I wish him a speedy recovery. All the best, fella.

Every kind of 'coward' and 'shit-house' he got from these experts.

Wonder how many posts there'll be saying – "Yeah, I was one of them, obviously I got it absolutely wrong, made a twat of myself and have learnt a valuable life lesson." (None so far.)

I can only wish him the best and hope for a speedy recovery.

I also hope that whatever it is in life that frustrates these pricks (to the point where they go from 0 to completely unhinged fucking lunatic in 2 seconds) not only continues, but gets so bad they drown in their own bile.

'Yeah but 'old on, we're all like... Evertonians."

No we aren't – I refuse to be lumped in with nob-heads because they support the team I support.

Fuck them!

Don't expect the ones who made those comments yesterday to come scuttling back out from under the fridge anytime soon.

I hope the injury is not as bad as indicated and he is back as soon as possible.

And I'm quite sure anyone who posted heat of the moment for him to get up via the live forum wouldn't have wished Yannick to have suffered such an injury. Just my two pence worth.

He needs to take the time to complete the rehabilitation and not rush back.

I snapped my ACL playing footy 6 years ago and screamed for about 5 seconds as I've never felt pain like it, but then nothing. I got up and walked off the pitch and even drove home.

When I saw it I could tell something had gone by his reaction, said the same too when Walcott done his a few years ago as well. It's the players reaction for a short burst of pain then they look like nothing's wrong... I wish the lad luck cos it's a long recovery road...

The amount of times over the years I've thought "Where do these knuckle-draggers live? What do they do in the week? How do they manage to get to places like Ipswich away? Who taught them to speak?" etc.

Soon as we sat down yesterday it was..

"AYYYY FUUUCCKKGGIN COME ONNNN!! GERRIN T' DEEZ MANC CUUUNTS!!!

(After kick-off, even worse.)

So of course when Bolasie went down..

"YER FUCKIN LAZY FUCKIN SHIT-HOUSE FUC..." etc blah.

Recently the feller who sits behind told us about a song he heard about Sturridge on his coach going down to Chelsea.

I won't repeat the (staggeringly racist) words but it would have shocked me in 1973.

Oh yeah... they're deffo still about.

Wish him all the best and a speedy recovery.

But you didn't say that first off, Bobby. All you said was "One of the most overpriced players I've ever seen." Still, if you feel no empathy...

Get well soon, Yannick. :)

Superb, Eugene! Choked on my cocoa.

I thought there would be transfer activity in January but surely this means there definitely will be. Welcome aboard, Memphis?

I am so happy to have found someone else speaking sense on this forum. So many fans are painfully impatient. It's embarrassing.

There wasn't any face covering with Bolasie. Lying on his back and screaming.

The amazing thing is, he got up and played a bit, before coming off.

On the bright side, we can recall McGeady from his loan and it'll be like a new signing eh.

Pity that some were too quick to criticise Bolasie about his 'injury' on the live forum yesterday.

I guess they know who they are...thanks to a quick google of 'live forum ToffeeWeb' I know who they are too..made for interesting reading...

Hope Bolasie recovers well and is back playing.

Very annoying but not as bad as our own fans giving him stick. He seems like a top humble bloke to me and best of luck to him coming back strong.

I don't think it's unreasonable for the average fan to call into question a winger's crossing ability when said winger cost 㿊m and is being paid tens of thousand of quid a week to cross a ball?

Each to their own?

It's inevitable that you're going to get injuries but ones like this are a sickener because they take a whole season out of your career and threaten to dull the rest of it completely. I wish him a speedy and full recovery. Maybe it might inspire the rest of the team to step up in his absence.

The only positive, if there is any, is that he would miss January playing for Congo. So we have the chance to bring in a replacement in January when he would have been absent anyway. We should make a big offer for Mahrez... You never know?!

I also think Jack Wilshere is the central midfielder we need to get, albeit in the summer.

However, the player's pain and welfare are what I am concerned about now. Looking at the positives, I hope this gives Geri the time on the pitch to improve him. But as for Bolasie, I wish him the best.

I have similar thoughts about Cleverley but cannot understand why our own fans mocked his substitution. They're our players. Every other club's fans will be slagging them off and giving them abuse. It's up to us to support them.

You're delusional mate...

Bolasie is one of the only players on the pitch that looks like he gives a fuck.

Always gives 100%, and has added a lot of energy, passion and aggression to the team.

Michael Lynch (#68), your contribution was "I think Bolasie may have broken a nail" ... that's not questioning his crossing ability, it's questioning the courage of one of our own who's obviously injured.

I give you credit for being the only one of yesterday's offenders to have the cojones to post on this thread. Too bad you don't have the stones to express regret. Excusing it by saying you "like to spout shite in the heat of the moment" or calling out the player's oversized paycheck won't wash.

I've liked him since he tore us a new one at Goodison in Martinez's first season. I wish the lad well and a speedy recovery. We're going to need him.

I just hope he can come back 100% cos knee injuries can impact mobility and speed.

Good luck Yannick. Most Evertonians rate and respect you.

It looks like he'll be out for the season so I wish him all the best for a speedy recovery. As for the live forum, well it's become a bit of a cesspool thanks to 2-3 fellas who only appear once things start going down the toilet.

I agree with you that his injury record isn't the best. But so far this season, he's got his fitness back and is playing very well. He's still relatively young so if he's still fit and on form at the end of the season I think we should have a look, if Arsenal are willing to do business.

He would be no more of risk than Strootman, who incidentally I would also be happy to sign, that is, as long as we offload our own sick note in midfield – Gibson! I still don't know what the board were thinking giving that joker a new contract.

I mean who in the squad can replace him? Even though his performances have been below par? Was it just a money position?

But I attended the West Ham game a while back, the ticket a birthday present from the family, and seated high up in Goodison Road, my restricted but expensive view was only marred by a foul mouthed abusive, racist father who increasingly made me blush and cringe at the same time.

After just 25 mins of near non-stop abuse, he turned on those around him who had asked him to tone it down, before one gentlemen asked a steward to have a word. He did, and was told to fuck off for his trouble. I moved to a much worse seat at half-time, but at least I could enjoy the game.

"So what?" I hear you cry... in all my years of coming to the match, and I have seen sooooo many games, this was the very first time I felt threatened and ill at ease in MY club. (Apart from the time I was refused a ticket at the ticket office because of comments I had made in ToffeeWeb about our leader, lol!)

My opportunities are still limited to go to the game but my desire has been diminished by the disgraceful behaviour of not just this individual but by the fact it was all around me. I stopped and listened to it... tuned in... some of it was from drunken idiots but not all.

For those who say they pay their money and have a right to abuse players, you don't have the right to abuse me, or the kids or the fans. Would you use it at home? Sad thing is, they probably would...

At least Koeman didn't force him to play on like Moyes and Rathbone did. I'm still convinced that played a part of him leaving under the dodgy circumstance. He clearly was in agony but was forced to keep playing.

Bolasie's injury is probably going to put to bed the rumours of Geri and Lennon leaving in January. With a guaranteed starter now out for a while, it will be interesting to see if Ross will come back into the team. I thought Mirallas played okay behind Lukaku, but Cleverley being absolutely dire, it would be an indicator on Koeman's thoughts of him if Barkley still can't get back in.

Also thought it was disgraceful to treat Cleverley like that.

Okay, these lads get bundles but they don't deliberately play bad and they feel it more than the fans.

I just don't see it. He's a show pony. He just does tricks. For his own ego. I've never disliked an Everton player as much as him.

The only reason he gets near that team is that we are so lacking in imagination and creativity that his showboating provides the best way to at least 'look' like we have something going on. I still think we'll look far more like a team without him.

But if course I still wouldn't wish a serious injury on him.

For an arl technophobe like me, it's a thing of wonder (even if I can't keep up) I still have trouble getting my head around exiled Evertonians watching the game from all four corners whilst being able to chat to fellow blues.

I like it when it gets feisty, especially at the match; I have no problem at all with fans shaking their fists at kick-off, shouting "Let's get into these fuckers" or jumping up and shouting "Send that dirty bastard off!" but there can be no room for personal abuse, whether it be racial, homophobic, bigoted or just plain hateful.

Never that impressed by Bolasie as a player, I can still feel pig sick for a boy whose career is now hanging in the balance. It's both tragic for him and damaging for us as a club.

I didn't see the comments on the Live Forum and I want to believe they were silly and ill-informed as opposed to the spiteful abuse being reported. The thought of people abusing a guy who is clearly in agony (even if it's an opponent) doesn't bear thinking about.

Steven Kendrew,

You seem to have trouble distinguishing the difference between people abusing an injured player who is clearly in agony and people who think they have seen enough of our wealthy healthy manager to believe he is the wrong guy for the job. You use a thread that's supposed to be about a seriously injured player as an opportunity abuse those who don't share your views.

What was it you called them? Oh yeah... "knobheads". How ironic.

He has his critics, mostly due to the fee he cost, but he's much more effective than any other wide player we have within the squad.

We have a pretty mediocre squad at the moment and that problem needs to be addressed during this January window.Bolasie has been one of our successes along with Williams and Gueye.Without these three additions to last seasons squad we would be languishing in the table.

Lets just hope that Bolasie gets back to his best quickly and comes back strong and refreshed.

'For his own ego'?

Is that something you know or is it simply a bit of two-bob psychoanalysis you've spouted, maybe for your own ego?

How do you work that out? I said to my mate in the game he was trying too hard, tried to play two or three killer balls into Lukaku when they were not on.

He is the best crosser of the ball, off both feet, at the club, when he gets himself half a yard.

What a load of cobblers. He's created far more chances than anyone else. He tries his tricks to deceive defenders. Sometimes they come off, sometimes they don't. He's a good player and, beyond that, a humble bloke who plays with a smile on his face. Get off his back.

I hope the injury is not a complete mess, and more of a tear. As others have commented, the fact that he tried to carry on is a hopeful sign. I hope he still keeps his pace – it is pretty important for him.

I look less and less at the Live Forum, as it is so often just full of bile, and people having a go at each other. Might improve if we go on another winning run.

Bolasie is a very good player: unpredictable, blows hot and cold, frightens defenders. He's an asset we sorely need. He's also a genuine and enthusiastic footballer, and a nice guy.

Ernie Baywood (#95),

"I've never disliked an Everton player as much as him."

So the likes of Ginola turning up for one last big pay day and trotting through the motions while sucking the financial lifeblood out of the club were preferable to Bolasie who has at the very least got us up out of our seats on occasion? Or Blomqvist throwing his teddy out of the pram when he was hooked off for doing fuck-all all afternoon. Didn't throw his wages out of the pram though.

Darren Hind (#97),

The Live Forum can be an eye-opener. There have never been so many qualified (and top class) football coaches contributing to one site at the same time in the history of the game. It's useful for lads who are in work and can't get a stream though. You should have a look some time, it can be very entertaining.

Mick Davies #90

Man United "worse than the '70s Leeds side"?

Get a grip, son.

So far I personally think he hasn't been good enough for the price tag. He will often get in great positions only to cross the ball too deep. Yes, he has had a few assists but, with the amount of balls he puts into the box, it stands to reason that eventually one or two will find the right player. I was hoping he'd score a few goals too but sadly along with the rest of the team he hasn't chipped in.

Also, I thought we played better after he went off against Man Utd. Just my opinions, and we are all entitled to our own.

A team low on confidence... yea, let's slaughter them all afternoon, that'll help. No wonder we never get anywhere.

I doubt Bolasie will play for us again. Probably hates the place given all the shite he's given for not being Messi. FFS

That's more than can be said by about the vast majority of the squad. Zero threat.

As for "I've never disliked an Everton player as much as him". Ernie, have you been watching Everton for the last 25 years!

But I can't actually believe you have gone through the Live Forum noting down offenders who may have said something scathing or exaggerated about one of our players. Are you for real?

I have nothing to apologise for, and have absolutely no sense of regret for saying what I did. What I do regret is that Bolasie, a player I have high regard for (though I'm sure you already know that if you spend your time trawling through old threads) has such a serious injury. Next time a player goes down, I'll call an ambulance before posting on the Live Forum okay?

I've just this minute caught the news bulletin on the BBC News channel. They mentioned that Sunderland have lost Duncan Watmore for the rest of the season due to a serious knee injury, which is tough on him, and them. No mention of Bolasie's injury whatsoever – this despite it being equally serious and occurring 30 miles from their Salford studio, and in a game against their beloved Man Utd no less.

What is it with the BBC Sport Department? Why do they treat a club with Everton's stature with such contempt? I sort of understand Sky Sport's obsession with the favoured 4 – they are a commercial undertaking and care not a jot for balance and fairness, but the BBC is supposed to be a neutral public service broadcaster, and their behaviour has got materially worse since they moved to Salford (ie, Manchester).

2. The live forum always reminds me of being at the game. People sometimes make comments which make you cringe. I guess what makes the live forum worse is that these things are written down and recorded as opposed to just being said.

3. For me giving up the live forum because you don't like some of the comments would be like giving up driving because someone once cut me up at a roundabout (although admittedly, at times there might be some unlicensed drivers on the forum).

So I've realised something recently – when playing previous versions of Football mManager on my PC, I had managed to lure Lukaku, Deulofeu, Williams and Bolasie to the club (way before we were ever linked to them). Even managed to get Depay although we don't have him yet. :)

Spooky, I know... so what players do people want, and I'll try to tempt fate by trying to get them in Football Manager 2017.

There will also be, to use posh term, very different levels of emotional maturity. Some will almost be unable to avoid the extreme or loud post. They tend to feel that the more extreme, loud and immovable they are, the more impact they will have.

Well not the case obviously and I'd hate to see the emotional 11+ brigade be blocked.

New Campaign: The Right to Talk Shite. Catchy?

Surely they're as legitimate as claiming he is 'committed' or 'humble' etc?

To others who query how I can dislike him more than, say, Ginola... what did we think we were getting with Ginola? You can't sign a player who is quite clearly past it and then complain that he's past it.

With Bolasie, I see plenty of ability. Plenty of physical attributes. And an attitude that values style over substance. That's what winds me up. It's the Soccer AM generation. Shouting tekkers after a pointless bit of skill as though it's more important than actually putting in a performance.

Maybe I'm wrong about him and the many examples (let's just start with the ridiculous rabona) don't provide that insight into his character. Maybe I'm not. I've seen enough players and played enough matches to hold a view.

The really good news is that Bolassie and all the other players are probably too busy to follow the live forum during a game, so me accusing Yannick of breaking a nail will be unlikely to affect his confidence or any other part of his skill set.

A confident and in-form Yannick Bolasie working the wings and with players to aim at will be an asset to Everton.

I've noted down a couple of sentences in your post that I'm really most unhappy about.

My main reaction to the cowardly 'trolls', who see something like this is an excuse to spout offensive verbal diarrhoea, is pity.

And my deepest sympathy goes out to those poor sods they live and work with – all the best, my heart goes out to you hapless unfortunates.

If we had bought Sissoko for another 㿊 million, that really would have had the fans questioning the transfer policy at the club. Get loads of loan players in January and if they are rubbish we can send them back; we can't afford more 㿊 million Bolasies!

I think your posts have been missed by quite a few on here; I know I've missed them. You underestimate how good they are. I hope you pick up your pen (so to speak) soon and give us your points of view.

Best wishes.

Christine. A poster I'll always read. More, please, Miss.

Okay, Bolasie hasn't really set Everton alight this season... but who has? Even Gana has slipped in recent games. Perhaps, however, this is a chance for Valencia to seize the moment?

Certainly now more than ever, the transfer window becomes important for Everton, with so many players not doing their best work and Koeman talking of shifting some out. As the points are being dropped, so to is Everton's league position.

The thing is with him, he must decide to slag someone off before he even sees how they play. Mirallas was getting it on Sunday despite this being his best game for a long while.

(He also equally annoys me by clapping like a fucking seal every two mins at fuck all.)

Do you agree that Gana's shooting needs to improve, but otherwise he's been class/'set Everton alight' in the role he was bought to fulfil, ever since he gave that penalty away in the Espanyol pre-season friendly at The Old Lady? He was MoTM on Sun.

Imagine playing on the wing and you have got at least two to aim for in the box? That's how bad it's been for most of this season, with the really poor formations we have been using, which have got very little out of the players, and even less out of Everton's most potent weapon... THE CROWD!

Leeds were no worse than any other side at that time and other teams had players (Harris, Smith, Case, Rioch, McQueen – in his later Man Utd days – Souness etc) that were animals in comparison. My argument is, in these so called 'civilised' times, dirty, snidey kicks on prone and injured opponents, and two-footed tackles should be outlawed and punished from above.

Our own Dunc has a record number of red cards, because he openly and honestly retaliated against these cowardly digs, while the likes of Roy Keane's deliberate but disguised assaults often went unpunished.

If Coleman had suffered a fractured skull, or Gana a double leg break, would you be happy losing two of our most effective players? The Sky darlings from down the East Lancs have been immune to FA punishment for decades, so maybe THEY should 'get a grip'

He uses his strength and speed to get pass opponents he is not a box of tricks and so the better teams can pretty much work him out and mark him out of the game.

I hope he can come back next year as good as has been, he can still be an asset for the Blues. However, as he blows too hot and cold, I see him as an impact sub for the future when opposing teams are getting tired.

Get well soon, lad!

The Mirallas of the last 20 minutes on Sunday, or who played at West Brom earlier this season, is. As is the Geri from last season's cup ties (except Man City away in the League Cup semi!). They both just need to put the work in – as does Lennon if and when he gets the opportunity to do so.

I am happy to accept differing views to mine if they make some kind of sense. Plainly in this case, an argument to get rid of Koeman now does not meet this condition, and in fact probably harms the prospects of the club I support.

And yes, I would surmise that many of those slagging off Bolasie are indeed the very ones who also want Koeman out, which is why I linked the issues.

As far as fans' behavior is concerned, along with too many of the general public now, standards have dropped a great deal since I was a young man.

Anyone effing and blinding around women and children would have been ejected by the men around them, they wouldn't have needed to call for stewards.

There lies the delusion that anything we post has some impact or significance.

Mostly this is a place full of people with a shared interest who are at home with a partner or kids who don't find Everton interesting or of any importance. So psychologically good for us in our small little group but nobody else cares a damn what we say.

And maybe there lies the joy of TW. I mean Jaysus... imagine if the Live Forum carried weight. Sca