Injured duo ruled out of trip to Hull

Wednesday 28 December 2016  36 Comments  [Jump to last]
Ronald Koeman has confirmed that neither Maarten Stekelenburg nor James McCarthy will be in contention for Friday's game.

Both players were forced off in the second half of the Merseyside derby 9 days ago and have yet to resume training.

Stekelenburg sustained a dead leg in a collision with Leighton Baines and McCarthy suffered a recurrence of his niggly hamstring problem. The Dutchman's absence will hand another opportunity to impress to Joel Robles who provided a safe pair of hands in the Boxing Day win over Leicester City.

The Ireland international's initial prognosis was a two- or three-week layoff which would put his return around mid-January.

Meanwhile, Koeman has confirmed that the home game against Southampton on 2nd January will be Idrissa Gueye's last before he heads to Gabon to play for Senegal in the Africa Cup of Nations.

The midfielder could miss up to six games in all competitions depending on how well his country fares and whether Everton progress to the fourth round of the FA Cup. The earliest date he can return to the Blues' starting XI would be for a fourth round tie on the weekend of 28th January, the first game after the group stage in Gabon.  

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John Pierce
1 Posted 28/12/2016 at 20:03:32
Fortune beginning to smile on Koeman. Robles is worth a run. The injury has forced his hand.

Similarly with McCarthy consistently up and down; a one-dimensional player, his now injury prone record leaves him on the shelf, for me.

Tony Hill
2 Posted 28/12/2016 at 20:34:47
Fair to say that Stekelenburg had made a couple of excellent saves before he was injured but I am also pleased to see Robles get a go – especially if his courage and competence on crosses/high balls continue from Monday.
Brian Williams
3 Posted 28/12/2016 at 20:35:25
Hate to say it but I hope Senegal get battered and put out ASAP.
Tony Hill
4 Posted 28/12/2016 at 20:46:50
Yes, Brian, very much agreed though sorry to any Senegalese fans who are also Blues.
Colin Glassar
5 Posted 28/12/2016 at 20:49:39
Brian, Tony, I will also be wishing for an early Senegalese exit.
Brian Williams
6 Posted 28/12/2016 at 20:53:53
Don't feel so bad now! :-)
Thomas James
7 Posted 28/12/2016 at 21:09:01
With Gueye off, and Barry looking a little more leggy / outpaced at times this season... What has happened to Mo Besic?

Is he at Everton? The thought of Cleverley and Barry playing together all January isn't good. Rest assured, Gibson will still be injured!

Patrick Murphy
8 Posted 28/12/2016 at 21:22:35
Thomas (#7),

Mo has another 4 years of his Everton contract to run but is out injured at the minute. I can't remember if the club gave a likely return date to fitness but imagine it won't be in January at any rate.

Steavey Buckley
9 Posted 28/12/2016 at 21:26:25
Thomas (#7),

Besic won't be ready until the end of the season, because of a knee injury sustained in the pre-season against Man Utd that needed surgery. We'll probably see him next next season.

Brian Williams
10 Posted 28/12/2016 at 21:51:19
I think it was February when Mo was expected to return to light training.
Mike Gaynes
11 Posted 28/12/2016 at 21:54:09
Thomas, Steavey & Patrick...

I've predicted ever since his latest injury that we've seen the last of Besic. I say he'll be moved on in the summer without ever having the chance to put on an Everton shirt again. And I've been saying so since long before the Schneiderlin rumors.

Tom Bowers
12 Posted 28/12/2016 at 22:09:39
Quite a few teams will lose players to the African Cup, so I am not worried, except for the fact that Gana has been one of the bright sparks so far but Tom Davies could be a terrific replacement. If Everton play 3 at the back then support for Barry could come in the form of Baines which cannot be bad.

Hull are a rubbish team but seem to raise their game against Everton and after their home defeat last time out may be even more desperate to get something as they really are in dire straits.

We just need Everton to play as well as they did at Leicester which includes the first half an hour that they always go missing in.

Andy Mckeown
13 Posted 28/12/2016 at 22:12:13
Apparently Mo has already resumed light training but is someway off being considered match fit. Expect to see Tom Davies feature more until we get a new signing in.
Mick Davies
14 Posted 28/12/2016 at 22:16:11
Anybody who wanted Forster should have been watching tonight's match; he was terrible, and I wouldn't swap Robles for him.

Gueye going to Afcon should be mitigated by McCarthy returning and hopefully, Davies staying in the side. Barry should never be first choice again.

Mick Davies
15 Posted 28/12/2016 at 22:24:17
Mike Gaynes @ 11, are you clairvoyant, or just a know-all?
James Doran
16 Posted 28/12/2016 at 22:38:20
Mike Gaynes @ 11, I look forward to receiving my ٣ after Mo Besic has donned the Royal Blue Jersey once more. :-).
Roger Helm
17 Posted 28/12/2016 at 22:52:56
We seem to have a plethora of crocked midfielders – McCarthy, Besic, Gibson – and Barry is too old and slow and Cleverley not good enough.

Hopefully with Gana away we will get reinforced in January and also Tom Davies will get more game time.

Ernie Baywood
18 Posted 28/12/2016 at 23:24:05
Big opportunity for Davies... unless there's a very quick signing on the way.
Ken Boniface
19 Posted 29/12/2016 at 00:13:40
I would like to see Barkley play deeper – he is not a Number 10. He is the best passer we have and can put weighted balls into good positions.

I like the team spirit in last few games; we may have a little deadwood but entrust the manager to bring in a little more quality in the next few weeks.

Mike Gaynes
20 Posted 29/12/2016 at 00:40:00
Mick (#15), naw, neither, just reading the signs and making a prediction. You get to slate me all summer if I'm wrong.

First, the guy cannot stay healthy, cannot be counted on, and we know how managers love that.

But second, and more important, keep in mind Koeman has seen lots of a healthy Besic. He went against him three times in the past two seasons (Besic got the start alongside Davies against Saints last spring), and took a real good look at a him this preseason, twice as a starter and twice as a sub.

And what did Koeman do? He immediately went shopping balls-to-the-wall for Gana, Witsel and Sissoko, defensive mids all. Had Sissoko not bailed at the end, he'd have bought two of the three for 㿒 million... BEFORE Mo got hurt.

I say the man doesn't write those checks (especially that ridiculous 㿊M for Sissoko) if he fancies Mo Besic. Nor does he have any reason to keep him around if Gana, Macca, Schneiderlin, Barry and Davies are all on hand.

So that's why I predict he's already gone.

Mike Gaynes
21 Posted 29/12/2016 at 00:46:14
ps: Mick... dead on re Forster. I've always been a skeptic where he's concerned.
Mike Gaynes
22 Posted 29/12/2016 at 00:47:28
James (#16), done. Hope you'll take a check... don't know where I'd find a ٣ note here in Oregon.
Andy Codling
23 Posted 29/12/2016 at 01:52:34
Is Gibson alive or pissed laughing his tits off at the morons who gave him a new contract!
Steve Hopkins
25 Posted 29/12/2016 at 07:27:09
Where's Oviedo gone again? I'm assuming he's injured but haven't seen him mentioned for a while.
Colin Glassar
26 Posted 29/12/2016 at 07:59:17
We need a big clear out of the walking dead this window. The likes of Gibson, McGeady, Oviedo and, I hate to say it, but maybe Besic as well. All good players, bar McGeady, but totally untrustworthy when it comes to fitness and health.

We must be paying them a small fortune to keep them on the payroll. I'd rather get rid of all of them and use their wages to better effect.

Bob Parrington
27 Posted 29/12/2016 at 08:15:20
Colin #26. Spot on. Cudnaseditberrameself!
Mark Pierpoint
28 Posted 29/12/2016 at 08:53:11
Mike Gaines, the Sissoko bid was considerably after the injury of Besic.

My guess is that Besic will be given some time in and around the first team (when fit; I think they are looking at February) before they make a call on him. I for one think he is a Koeman sort of player. One who can get around the pitch, pass the ball and contribute in attack and defence.

He signed a 5½-year deal last year as well. Getting rid of him isn't going to be as straightforward as McCarthy, who wants to leave and will have Premier League suitors who can match his wages, or an Arouna Kone for example who has limited time left on his deal anyway.

Don't get me wrong, he needs to stay fit, his injury this time (ACL) is bad luck more than anything else though? It is not like a hamstring of McCarthy that seems to be a deeper issue; or the catalogue of injuries someone like big Dunc had throughout his career.

Paul Tran
29 Posted 29/12/2016 at 09:02:58
Colin, Bob, I agree. Not easy 'shipping out' players who are on a contract and don't appear to have any potential suitors.

These players won't get better deals elsewhere, so we may have to wait for contracts to run out.

Chris Gould
30 Posted 29/12/2016 at 09:37:26
I must be alone in thinking that Davies is far from ready for a regular starting place. I am hopeful of new players including cover for Gueye and injury-prone McCarthy asap.

Davies is way too young to be relied upon in the engine room. Can't think of any 18-year-olds who have been regular premier league starters in centre midfield. It's such a physically demanding position. I'll be surprised if he makes a real breakthrough this season. I think it's far more likely he'll continue to get tasters of action before going on loan once we get more senior players in.

I know many on here will disagree, but it isn't stifling his development getting players in who are fully developed and acclimatised to the physical demands of Premier League football. He's 18 and probably not going to be a regular starter for a couple of seasons... if he continues to progress.

He may well be a potential superstar, who knows? But many variables need to be considered, such as: weight of expectation, physical demands, lack of experience, and a level of maturity that is required to handle the pressures.

It's all very well wanting Davies to be a regular, but what happens when the kid has a dip in form and makes mistakes? It's inevitable at his age and it would certainly be tough for a kid to deal with.

This is why most youngsters get a chance at fullback or in a forward position. These roles are less physically and mentally demanding than centre-midfield or centre-back.

James Macdonald
31 Posted 29/12/2016 at 12:31:49
One player we have been linked with who I feel would be worth pursuing over Schneiderlin is Will Hughes. I saw him play for Derby live the other night and he looks a real player.

Quality passing with his left peg, presses well and retains possession with surprising strength. A real hint of a more athletic Jack Wilshere.

While Schneiderlin would improve us I think his travails at manure have probably demonstrated he is not a top 4 player. I think we should only be looking at potential top 4 players if possible given that is the road we are aiming for.

Trevor Lynes
32 Posted 29/12/2016 at 13:40:42
Missed Niasse from that list that needs moving on.

I would add Cleverley and Lennon to the list as neither would make the squad of any ambitious top six club.

Mike Gaynes
33 Posted 29/12/2016 at 14:55:52
Mark (#28), sorry mate but you're wrong. Besic was injured August 3 against Man Utd. Koeman was already shopping for Sissoko in July:

Also, Besic has exactly the same "deeper issue" as Macca with the hamstring... the current injury is a knee, but he has missed extended periods because of hamstring issues. Three months and two months, if I recall correctly.

Finally, I'm not sure how you see Besic contributing on offense. In 35 appearances for us he has no goals, no assists. In fact, in 149 career senior games for club and country, he has scored exactly one goal. One. For a midfielder. Not a stay-at-home defender like Hibbo, but a box-to-box midfielder. That's almost impossible.

Clive Rogers
34 Posted 29/12/2016 at 16:57:12
What's the situation with Gibson? He's not on EFC'S website injured list and none of the press list him as injured.
Frank Crewe
35 Posted 29/12/2016 at 17:24:59
I think he's been abducted by aliens.
Tony Hill
36 Posted 29/12/2016 at 21:48:22
Besic has a lot of talent (he dominated against Man City at Goodison in the League Cup last season which no talentless player could ever have done) and personality but his injury record could hardly be more wretched. If he ever returns as a serious player for us now it will indeed be a bonus. I, for one, am hoping very much that he does.
Kevin Dyer
37 Posted 30/12/2016 at 09:04:35
Personally, I think the problem with Besic is he added too much muscle during his first season with us, in order to handle the "physicality" of the league. It was very noticeable how more built he was second season, which (coincidentally?) is when he started picking up injuries. IMO the extra weight isn't natural and is overloading him. Best thing for him would be to drop 10-15 lbs a la Mirallas. Quixotically he looked strong and tenacious in the Argentina game, which is essentially why we bought him, so did he really need to bulk up at all? Doubtful.

As for McCarthy I think, despite being not that old, his body is breaking down. He plays at 100% intensity and has played a lot of games from a young age (iirc he was starting for Wigan as a teenager). The writing was on the wall last season and we should have sold him in the summer. We'd have recouped our initial investment. I don't see us selling in January, unless the player tries to force a move. A pity because I really like McCarthy and he was a good signing but when a player starts getting repeatedly injured it usually only goes one way.

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