Move from Goodison to stadium on banks of Mersey edges closer

Friday 3 March 2017  84 Comments  [Jump to last]
There's nothing really new for Evertonians in this piece on the Daily Mail website but a capacity of 52,000 and a price tag of £350m is mentioned for a proposed relocation to Bramley-Moore Dock.

Liverpool Mayor, Joe Anderson, is quoted as saying:

‘We know how such a development can act as a catalyst for regeneration. We will provide as much support as we can, as we did with Liverpool when they looked to rebuild their main stand.

‘The new Anfield gave us a platform to look at the wider regeneration of the community and that is exactly what we have done, with new homes, a new high street and very soon a new hotel. Everton's new stadium has arguably greater potential in its impact to regenerate what is a key part of north Liverpool.'

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Tony Hill
1 Posted 03/03/2017 at 22:07:05
I have heard that Everton have made no approach whatsoever to Peel Holdings as yet – or, at least, that was the case until very recently. I hope that is wrong, but the odour of Kenwright & Anderson bullshit still pervades.
Ray Roche
2 Posted 03/03/2017 at 22:10:37
Where did you hear that, Tony?
Colin Glassar
3 Posted 03/03/2017 at 22:14:34
52,000 capacity? What an odd number.
Tony Hill
4 Posted 03/03/2017 at 22:16:04
It is second hand, Ray, but from someone senior in the Council. I got murdered last time I offered a rumour on here about behind-the-scenes trouble with the Moshiri regime (which I stand by, as it applied at the time) – and it is absolutely right that rumours should be challenged – but this is from a good source. I am, of course, willing to be contradicted.
Ray Roche
5 Posted 03/03/2017 at 22:25:05
I hope it's just an unfounded rumour just the same.
Tony Hill
6 Posted 03/03/2017 at 22:26:39
So do I, Ray. But I do not trust our rulers.
Brian Hennessy
7 Posted 03/03/2017 at 22:54:27
The longer this drags out, the more worried I get... and –if history tells us anything – it's that Everton and new stadium usually ends badly.

I was positive until this week's media offensive with Sky Sports, particularly the tone of Elstone's interview, which to me looked like we are still a long way off with finances still not in place.

I deeply hope I am wrong and this happens, but am worried, very worried.

Oliver Molloy
8 Posted 03/03/2017 at 23:27:12
I wonder what our new stadium (if it ever happens) will be called!
Gordon Crawford
9 Posted 03/03/2017 at 23:58:44
"Phantom stadium" or "I Can't believe it stadium". One of those two names I suspect.
Alan Thornber
10 Posted 04/03/2017 at 00:06:42
The 52,000 refers to Roma's new ground.

"The wheels are in motion. US architect Dan Meis, whose new Colosseum-inspired Stadio della Roma on the banks of the Tiber is set to open in 2019, has been commissioned. A capacity of 52,000 has been mentioned."

Colin Glassar
11 Posted 04/03/2017 at 08:35:50
Cheers, Alan. I'm also sceptical of anything that Elstone or Boys Pen Billy say. Neither of them have any credibility in my eyes.
Alan McGuffog
12 Posted 04/03/2017 at 09:18:16
Growing up in Norris Green I recall the 44, 19 and 544 buses all used to serve the Gillmoss industrial estate, English Electric in particular.

Looks like these routes will be reinstated soon. Stonebridge here we come! (30-35,000 anyway).

Paul Birmingham
13 Posted 04/03/2017 at 12:04:03
As history has taught us, I don't believe anything that comes out the club, as normally it doesn't happen. Robert Elstone's recent status update on this subject, suggests it's more smoke and mirrors, corporate bull.

I'd be made up if this happens but, like the Kings Dock, time will tell us. It will be interesting to see what the status is at to end of this season.

Bobby Mallon
14 Posted 04/03/2017 at 15:12:06
It does smell of shit really.
Brent Stephens
15 Posted 04/03/2017 at 15:15:35
Colin #3 "52,000 capacity? What an odd number".

Wouldn't 52,001 be an odd number?

Alan J Thompson
16 Posted 04/03/2017 at 15:53:19
Colin (#3); It is broken down as 50,000 capacity and an enlarged Boys Pen, properly named, of course, and complete with faulty railings to allow cheaper direct entry into the Directors' Box, part of Everton's youth promotion programme.
James Flynn
17 Posted 04/03/2017 at 17:05:58
Moshiri bought his shares a year ago.

In a project this massive, why does anyone think all the moving parts and major players involved would be in place this fast?

For all we know, things are moving along at a rapid pace.

Patrick Murphy
18 Posted 04/03/2017 at 23:15:03
In remarks made to the Liverpool Echo by the Mayor of Liverpool, it would seem that there is a high stakes poker game going on with regards to the proposed stadium and site.

The Mayor has said that Liverpool would be willing to host the Commonwealth Games in either 2022 or 2026, and admits that the Blues plans for a new ground could represent an opportunity to bolster the city's hopes.

But Mr Anderson said that the council are not solely relying on Everton's design plans for their possible new ground at the Bramley-Moore Dock to bolster their chances of staging the games.

He said: "We've not formally launched our bid yet, but obviously a new stadium presents the city with an opportunity to showcase what we have to offer.

"However, what I would say is that our bid is not reliant on a new stadium for Everton – nor how it is designed."

Mr Anderson also said that he remains hugely positive about the Toffees hopes of moving to a new stadium under the leadership of Farhad Moshiri.

I've found the Mayor's high regard for Mr Moshiri as a little puzzling because he doesn't necessarily view the other main stakeholders at Everton in the same regard.

The Echo ended the article by saying 'The club are expected to make an announcement about the next stage of their financial plans to build a new ground this month.'

Not long to wait for some news but I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Docks isn't the Club's preferred site, more's the pity.

Mayor Speaks

Dan Egerton
19 Posted 05/03/2017 at 02:35:17
I want at least a 60,000 capacity stadium. That's the minimum number a stadium has to have to host a Champions League game. ;)
Ray Said
20 Posted 05/03/2017 at 15:29:07
Dan (19), I think 60,000k is the minimum to host the CL Final
Andy Meighan
21 Posted 05/03/2017 at 18:23:19
Dan (#19) – the minimum required for a Champions League game. The way our team performs, we won't be anywhere near the Champions League. We are light years away from that level.

This talk of a new stadium is dragging on now and just makes me think it's all nonsense Let's face it, we seem to have been here before.
Erik Dols
22 Posted 07/03/2017 at 14:05:46
If we have the ambition I hope we have, 52k is too little and 60k should be minimum. Certainly at an iconic waterfront site. If there's any truth in the story, I hope future expansions are taken into account.

Tony Rio
23 Posted 07/03/2017 at 18:48:16
Tony (#1).

I've heard the exact opposite mate from an associate of the club. To be fair, they're all rumours, but this guy is well placed to know. Personally I think it's going to happen.

I think the delay has been Peel trying to hold us to randsom, or trying for a shareholding. I believe Moshiri has "made them an offer they can't refuse". He's no mug our man when it comes to business deals. He's so good that his mate the oligarch gave him major shareholdings in recognition of his loyalty and business acumen.

Rumour has it, the oligarch is trying his best to sell his shares in Arsenal to join us and take us onto the next level (think Man city funding). Because the yank at Arsenal won't buy or recognise other major shareholders, it's difficult to sell as any buyer would effectively be a sleeping partner.

Eugene Ruane
24 Posted 07/03/2017 at 19:14:07
I have absolutely no idea what is/isn't happening or what will/won't happen.

But I do know Kenwright is in a Tom Pepper league of his own and I'd trust Elstone about as far as I could throw Mick Bernard.

No chickens will be counted at Chez Ruane and the very worst will be expected.

Denis Richardson
25 Posted 07/03/2017 at 19:52:20
Stadium by the docks will happen, so I've heard from a decent source.

Just negotiations taking time to iron out – which is no surprise for something of this size and complexity. These sort of deals can take a couple of years to put together before a spade hits the ground.

Don Alexander
26 Posted 07/03/2017 at 00:03:02
One certainty is that the very last consideration will be for the pockets or hearts of true fans.

Mr Moshiri is reportedly a billionaire, just. That means he's way off the wealth of other Premier League owners, including the likes of Stoke. Therefore he's dependant on the money from others and that means they, whoever they are, will want a mega-screw, as well as him, and Kenwright, and other board members.

And who's gonna get screwed? Answers on a postcard please.

Still, it'd be nice not to have an obstructed view, wouldn't it?

Colin Glassar
27 Posted 08/03/2017 at 00:49:41
Alan 12, I used to use all those buses. The 19 was like getting the slow boat to China. It went all over the place before getting into town.
Jay Harris
28 Posted 08/03/2017 at 02:57:12
I cannot believe the amount of negativity regarding where the club are heading and whether we will get the new stadium we want. FFS, lads, we should be grateful Moshiri has come on board.

We now have a professional management structure in place not one that "matey" Dave Whelan recommended over a brandy and got £1.5m for.

Our commercial deals are getting the rule run over them and we got Finch Farm sponsored.

The council, after refusing to deal with Kenwright ever again after the Kings Dock fiasco, seem to have taken a liking to Moshiri and, though it's only a feeling at this juncture, we are light-years away from the Kenwright and cronies pantomine that went on for the previous 15+years.

We are not doing a Hull so please put the cyanide away for now.

Ed Fitzgerald
29 Posted 08/03/2017 at 03:47:03

You are a bullshitter, you couldn't even lift Mick Bernard never mind throw him. He had more gravitational force than Jupiter.

We have had more let-downs than an anxious young scally trying to pull in the Beachcomber (historical reference). Perhaps this, at last, is the time we metaphorically arrive home the next morning whistling a happy tune and thinking everything is right with the world.

Peter Howard
30 Posted 08/03/2017 at 06:24:05
Colin (27)

You're dead right about the 19 but did you ever have to catch the 75?

I lost three years of my life waiting for that bastard bus!

Andrew Leverton
31 Posted 08/03/2017 at 07:00:24
Isnt Tottenhams ground costing £600 to £700 million? How can ours only cost £350 million?
Mike Berry
32 Posted 08/03/2017 at 19:57:14
We are moving that is a certainty; the club want Bramley-Moore Dock, and that's what they will get.

As for the naming of the stadium – well, if it was me, I would call it the "Dean Arena" as it has a nice ring to it but the "Blue Mersey" stadium is a killer too, especially to the other lot.

Peter McHugh
33 Posted 08/03/2017 at 20:22:23
Love that post above, he's a "billionaire, just". Makes him sound like a pauper.
Barry Rathbone
34 Posted 08/03/2017 at 20:39:15
Re naming:-

"The Merseyside (sponsors name) Stadium"

*awaits burning

Brian Williams
35 Posted 08/03/2017 at 20:42:03
With regard to what the stadium will be called. I think we're all going to have to accept that it won't be called anything us supporters would choose.

The naming rights are far too lucrative to ignore and will be "auctioned" to the highest bidder. Just hope it's not something shite like the Ryanair Stadium... :-)

Raymond Fox
36 Posted 08/03/2017 at 20:50:28
Love to see it happen within 5 years, but I'm in the sceptics' camp!
Dan Davies
37 Posted 08/03/2017 at 21:17:38
The Royal Blue Usmanov USM Multi-Billonaire Metalloinvest Mr Moshiri I love Russia and Iran Mersey Stadium sounds ok by me! Amen.
John Hughes
38 Posted 08/03/2017 at 21:20:36
Andrew (31). I think some of the difference is to do with the "add-ons" to accommodate the NFL fixtures. There are to be two sliding pitches, for example. Also, I might be wrong but I guess the difference in land values will play a part too?
Harry Wallace
39 Posted 08/03/2017 at 21:40:12
Eugene Ruane
40 Posted 08/03/2017 at 23:28:02
Andrew (#31) –Isn't Tottenhams ground costing 𧼐 to 𧽴 million? How can ours only cost 𧸖 million?

Three bedrooms in Tottenham – Link

Three bedrooms close to docks – Link

Ray Robinson
41 Posted 08/03/2017 at 23:43:29
Mike (#32), the Blue Mersey Stadium sounds great but unless the band reunite and make a small fortune so doing, it sadly lacks a sponsor's name – which, come to think about it, is what naming rights are all about.

Just so long as St Helen's Rugby League Club's PR department don't get involved in any way. Totally Wicked Stadium? I ask you!

Peter McHugh
42 Posted 08/03/2017 at 00:04:45
Andrew (#31),

It's a fair question and to give a simple answer everything costs more down south, be it land value, bricks and mortar and professional fees. Still, 𧹺m more does seems a lot.

The original estimate was circa 𧹈m albeit probably 10 years ago now. Costs have spiralled and estimated Brexit will have added around 𧵎m being final estimate to 𧿘m I think due to more expensive costs of shipping goods to our shores.

I must be honest I just don't see how they can make those figures work but I guess demand, season ticket prices will go up, share some cost with NHL franchise.

I hope our stadium plans are well thought out and they don't just just get a stadium itself right but build an Everton village with shops, bars, restaurants, meeting spaces with community and work space.

We should have a development which creates 24-7 use and not just on match days which in my opinion would be a huge waste. COYB

Derek Thomas
43 Posted 09/03/2017 at 01:06:01
Anderson says one thing and means exactly the opposite.

"However, what I would say is that our bid IS (not) reliant on a new stadium for Everton – AND (nor) how it is designed."

The pre dug hole easily lends it's self to lowering the pitch and thus removing (after a lot of digging down to the new pitch level etc) the running track, leaving you with a nice sloped area to put in 10,000 more seats.

If the 'other parties' wave enough funding at EFC it will happen, that's the Carrot. The Stick might be the implied withholding of various political 'considerations, permissions and goodwill' etc... All might depend on how much Anderson, Kenwright and maybe others want a 'Legacy'.

Wether it should is a different matter, I personally don't think it is the job of EFC to fulfil somebody's wishful thinking. But even in this era of Billionaires, sometimes (in relative terms) beggars – sorry, billionaires – can't easily be choosers, how ever much they might like to.

They will have to push the 'GO' button soon to get it ready for 2022-23 though... and they haven't even applied or been awarded the games yet – if ever.

Tony Abrahams
44 Posted 09/03/2017 at 07:41:29
Half a million quid to buy a house in such a rough-arse manor as Tottenham tells you everything we need to know about "the smoke". I wonder how much Spurs had to pay for the land?

People always go on about price but I don't think the Cardiff stadium was that expensive, and I've said a few times on TW, how many new stadiums the Germans built for a similar amount of money than the new Wembley cost.

It's all about getting value for money, which is definitely something you don't get in good old London Town!

Martin Nicholls
45 Posted 09/03/2017 at 08:24:58
Like quite a few other Blues, I went to National Stadium in Warsaw for 2015 Europa League final. Fabulous ground with capacity close to 60,000 (70,000+ for concerts) built for €430,000. Get those Polish builders over here!
Ray Roche
46 Posted 09/03/2017 at 09:25:04
Martin, I think they're already here.
Thomas Lennon
47 Posted 09/03/2017 at 09:27:34
Doubling in price since 2007! - against a background of lowest inflation seen in my lifetime, steel costs have plummeted, wages are static.

The only increase in capital costs has been in land, but not hundreds of million ££ for a few acres in London.

Are they seriously saying wages have trebled (or are projected to treble) before Brexit has even been started?? Can't wait for 2019.

This is reminiscent of the Wembley project. £960 million and the construction company made a huge loss!
The bill in full

£1.6m Expenditure by DCMS and Sport England on project review in 2001-2

£20m Multiplex contingency provision for overruns

£21m Infrastructure costs, including local transport links

£79m Finance costs (interest only; capital repayments have not yet begun)

£86m Development and management fees

£106m Site purchase (of which £3m in stamp duty)

£445m Fixed-price construction contract awarded to Multiplex

£183m Cost overruns in construction borne by Multiplex

£20.8m Cost overruns personally borne by Multiplex's founder and former executive chairman John Roberts

Total £962.4m

Martin Nicholls
48 Posted 09/03/2017 at 09:28:05
Ray - was going to mention the population of Wrexham but thought better of it!
Ray Roche
49 Posted 09/03/2017 at 09:49:26
Martin, or Flint.
James Morgan
50 Posted 09/03/2017 at 10:00:33
Martin, they built a stadium for €430k? Damn, that's cheap, that's about one week's wages for Rooney! Costs must be really low in Poland!
Paul Bromley
51 Posted 09/03/2017 at 10:23:41
Make it a 60,000 seat stadium and multi-use for extra income during the close season. Will be a great asset to the city.
Dave Lynch
52 Posted 09/03/2017 at 12:18:03
If Kenwright, Elstone and Anderson all told me it was dark in the middle of the night, I'd look out of the window to check.

Have there ever been a trio of bigger bullshitters?

Chris Jones [Burton]
53 Posted 09/03/2017 at 12:20:03
I think we should call it the 'Eclipse' stadium, since that'll be what it represents to the 'Dark Side'.
Tony Ateman
54 Posted 09/03/2017 at 12:49:48
The Polish National Stadium cost €0.43 Billion (€430 Million). Still not bad!,_Warsaw

Martin Nicholls
55 Posted 09/03/2017 at 15:59:15
James (#50) – oops! Tony (#54) has corrected me – as he says, not bad, and it really is something special. Viewed from a distance in the dark, it really is spectacular – something similar at Bradley-Moore Dock would look great from the river.
Tony Rio
56 Posted 09/03/2017 at 19:25:51
A few interesting articles here. One explains Moshiri 's business model approach to funding a new stadium. In a nutshell, he's saying the shareholders fund it (him) and they get paid back because their assets increase in value along with the share price should they ever sell.

The article below was written as an open letter to the Arsenal fans when Wenger was funding the Emirates by selling players and the fans were paying for it through increased ticket prices. Moshiri and his Russian friend were furious, as they would have met the cost, not put up prices, and invested in players, not become a selling club. Whilst the major shareholder (an American business man) borrowed the money against the club at zero risk and sat back and watched his shareholding increase several thousand percent without it costing him a penny.

Red & White Securities Limited's open letter to the Arsenal board of directors

The next article is Liverpool FC Chief Executive explaining why they won't develop Anfield further unless the fans will fund it through hiking ticket prices. In other words, zero cost to the shareholders and the loan paid back by fans or player sales. And you can bet the fans won't be given back a cut of the increased value of the club they have paid for!

Ian Ayre says Liverpool's Anfield Road redevelopment 'not a smart investment'

I think we are in the safer hands!! "On the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey!!"

Paul Hughes
57 Posted 13/03/2017 at 14:16:45
Just been announced on BBC that Durban has withdrawn from hosting the 2022 Commonwealth Games. Watch this space...
Joe McMahon
58 Posted 14/03/2017 at 19:01:46
Paul, youre right and Everton mentioned in same article. If this is true, we won't have a new home until summer 2023. Yep, Goodison Park, with its wooden seats, restricted views, no facilities, and Bullens Road stand, is really gonna last that long.
Kev Johnson
59 Posted 18/03/2017 at 18:39:23
Tony @44 Tottenham area is a shit hole, mate, I've worked around there recently and they have the face to call around Walton a dump.
Jim Lloyd
60 Posted 22/03/2017 at 20:04:25
Has anyone else seen (heard, should I say!) the Echo article entitled "Royal Blue podcast: Bramley-Moore Special." Greg O'keefe introduces the podcast from the Bramley-Moore pub, "on the eve of an announcement by Everton FC regarding the site of the new ground for EFC.

Interesting podcast anyway but the Echo will be running a podcast and regular updates throughout the day, until the afternoon, when the statement is expected.

Well, being an Evertonian, I ain't getting too excited (that's a bloody lie! I AM excited!!!) as we've been knocked back before.

This time, however, it looks like we could finally get that songsheet out about "The Banks of the Royal Blue Mersey!"

I might have a COUPLE OF BEERS NOW!

Colin Glassar
61 Posted 22/03/2017 at 20:25:20
Peter (#30), sorry mate, I've just seen your post. No, I never had the pleasure of using the 75. I used, mainly, the 544 and the 44 which dropped me off just outside the ground.

Alan (#12), is the AC Delco still there (on the industrial estate)? My auntie worked there for donkeys...

Colin Glassar
62 Posted 22/03/2017 at 20:28:25
The bus (544) on the way home was a pleasure, full of happy or sad Blues and some old bag who would always sit at the front and tell us dirty jokes.

The smell of those buses I'll never forget. Happy days.

Mark Taylor
63 Posted 22/03/2017 at 20:52:43
Good source telling me the big announcement is happening at 5pm tomorrow...
Brian Denton
64 Posted 22/03/2017 at 20:58:33
Eugene (24) fancy you committing the tautology of putting 'at' before 'Chez Ruane'. I'm shocked.

Great reminiscences about the bus numbers. I'd completely forgotten about the 544 – wasn't that the Limited Stop version of the 44D? And how many remember the 592?

Colin Glassar
65 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:01:44
The 44D was a classic as well Brian. The 19B was hell on wheels.
Dermot Byrne
66 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:07:28
Umm... Mark. How do you know?
Tony Abrahams
67 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:08:54
Joe Anderson, must be one lazy fucker, if he's had to cancel the gym, and they aren't announcing anything till Five!
Brian Williams
68 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:11:19
Dermot. Because a good source told him!
Jim Lloyd
69 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:13:32
The Echo are running their internet thingy and another Royal Blue podcast from the Bramley Moore pub tomorrow. They're saying an announcement is due tomorrow afternoon.

Pity the Dockers Umbrella ain't with us anymore mind you, maybe our A1 Mayor can get us one.

Brian Denton
70 Posted 22/03/2017 at 21:30:05
Colin, my fave was the 35 – only ran at rush hour (morning and evening) and often came in a silver (aluminium?) plated version.

I remember seeing an official bus timetable book from the late forties, and the bus route numbers were largely the same as in the late sixties when I was a kid. Gave a sense of continuity when you had municipal bus companies. All gone when Thatcher deregulated buses, of course.

Alan McGuffog
71 Posted 22/03/2017 at 22:49:08
Colin. I Iived by the Crown at Stopgate Lane. Going into town of a night, if you caught it you would be on Lime Street in about ten minutes. Went like shit off a hot shovel. All the 500 series were limited stops .544, 500, 592.

If you had half a day to kill, a full trip on the 68 or 61 took some beating.

Colin Glassar
72 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:01:08
Buses used to be great fun but I was always scared of the ticket inspector. I got chucked off loads of times for not paying the full fare. They were like the gestapo, those sods.
Brian Denton
73 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:02:26
Alan, yes 61 (Seaforth to Aigburth?) was a biggie. In latter years of MPTE, the 92 Crosby to Huyton was a fair run too. When I was a kid, the 92 was Pier Head to Page Moss, but it was re-routed some time in the late seventies.

Bet this is really enthralling for our US Blues

Colin Glassar
74 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:08:22
The stop at Gilmoss was always dreaded – that's where they changed drivers and sometimes you had to wait for ages until the they got off the bog or finished stuffing a pasty down their gobs.
Rob Halligan
75 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:08:25
I was in one of the suites last Saturday, by kind invitation; speaking to the manageress of the suite, who told me she had seen the plans for Bramley-Moore Dock in the boardroom and they were awesome. The stadium is to be announced tomorrow, at a cost of 𧷤M.

Of course, like most, I will only believe it when it becomes official, but God, she was so convincing!!

Paul Smith
76 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:09:20
78 from Halewood to town. Used to board outside the Adelphi – I couldn't stand the bubble bus stops.
Kieran Kinsella
77 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:13:42
The announcement is probably "New home for Everton. We are replacing the existing dugout with luxury cinema-style recliners for the team to sit on during match days. The money for this has been ring fenced and is not to be confused with the money from the sales of Ross Barkley and Romelu Lukaku.

"That money will be used to bring back someone who has scored almost as many Everton goals as Lukaku: Leon Osman. True blue Barkley will be replaced with bluer legend Tony Hibbert. Jose Baxter has already signed so watch this space for more exciting news. YNWA. Oops I mean, COYB. Signed Bill Kenwright."

Alan McGuffog
78 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:15:35
81 and 60 down the Drive where great on a Saturday morning. Loads of kids from all the different schools going to play "away" games against other schools.

Going from Norris Green to play someone like SFX was a hell of a trek and then getting home, having your dinner and getting along to Goodison. With a soundtrack of Jethro Tull and the Nice to accompany me. Happy days indeed.

Colin Glassar
79 Posted 22/03/2017 at 23:28:04
I haven't been on a bus for years.
Derek Thomas
80 Posted 23/03/2017 at 00:34:01
I used to get the 500 from Speke as a kid, paid 3d old money / 1.25p, should've been 4d mind, even back then you never missed a chance to stick it to the man.

When we moved 'up market' to Garston then it was the 87 to Penny Lane and the old trusty 46... as a Collegiate OB I spent my formative years on that 46... Proper buses them, went down hill with those fancy big square Leyland's with the automatic doors, you couldn't leg them and jump on if you missed it.

IIRC, they had half-a-dozen or so painted silver, probably for the Coronation, mainly on the 5 route to posh Woolton where they'd appreciate it more.

Geoff Lambert
81 Posted 23/03/2017 at 02:11:24
Just seen this on G O T made me laugh.

Ray Robinson
82 Posted 23/03/2017 at 08:16:15
Ah yes, brings back memories of jumping onto overcrowded buses and hanging onto the bar on the open deck at the rear of the bus. Wonder what Health & Safety would make of that these days? Used to get the 44 (I think) to the Cherry Tree pub on the East Lancs and walk the last mile and a bit to Knowsley.

How the hell did the services cope when Everton and Liverpool were both drawn at home in the FA Cup? No staggering kick-offs then and 50,000 plus crowds in both stadiums.

Chris Williams
83 Posted 23/03/2017 at 08:55:21
I was lucky enough to live very near Goodison so didn't need the bus. 5 minute walk from Hans Road through the jiggers to Gwladys Street and into the Boys Pen... then the Street End.

We moved out to Orrell Park but usually walked along Rice Lane, past Walton Church and County Road. We stopped at the Black Horse both ways when (almost) old enough.

Craig Walker
84 Posted 23/03/2017 at 12:06:03
Guardian reporting that Everton have purchased the land at Bramley-Moore Dock.

Everton seek 𧷤m to build stadium on Mersey site at Bramley-Moore Dock

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