Barkley ignored by England again

Sunday 26 March 2017  99 Comments  [Jump to last]
Ross Barkley was left in the familiar environs of the England dugout as Gareth Southgate's side ambled to a 2-0 win over Lithuania.

The Everton midfielder's impressive club form in recent weeks earned him a recall to the national side but he wasn't used in either of the two games this international break.

It will surely come as a disappointment to the player who has worked hard to get back into the international scene after being dropped last year.

For Everton and Ronald Koeman, however, it means that the 23-year-old will be fit and rested for next weekend's Merseyside derby.

Barkley's response to the apparent snub was to remove all of England-related photos from his Instagram account and he also 'liked' a Tweet from stats site Squawka that showed he has played zero minutes during his last seven call-ups to the national side.  

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Tony Hill
1 Posted 26/03/2017 at 18:55:42
No danger of Ross Barkley being in anyone else's battle. Delighted we shall have him fit for Saturday, given our injury problems, but sorry for him that he has not been given a moment on the pitch, the only outfield player to be so disregarded.

Perhaps he showed too much flair in training.

John Chambers
2 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:08:44
Time for Ross to tell Southgate to stuff international football. Goes to Euros and doesn't get a kick, not selected for 4 squads and then doesn't get a kick in the last two matches while a winger, Oxlade-Chamberlin, plays in his position. Let him put his feet up at home in the future.
Liam Reilly
3 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:16:15
What's the betting that, if he did transfer to Tottenham in the summer, he'd be starting for England.

2-0 against Lithuania; hardly ripping up the trees, Southgate.

Doesn't deserve that position.

Dermot Byrne
4 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:17:44
Perhaps Southgate goes to bed before last match on MotD!
James Stewart
5 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:21:35
Good; keeps him fresh for Saturday. Southgate is a joke, just as every England manager has been since Hoddle.

Jake Livermore... give me a fucking break, batshit!

Sue Brown
6 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:24:01
I understand Ross being disappointed yet again, but I'm very pleased he'll be fit and ready to hopefully blast one in at the kop end next week. Just keep working hard lad and show them all what you can do.

Liam (#3), spot on!

Neil Wood
7 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:24:50
I despise the England set up for this. There can be no justification for this complete disregard.

I know people say tell them to nob off and don't play. I've said it myself. But realistically that's never going to happen because it's every lads dream to play for their country and so it should be.

But something needs to change. Like Liam states it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he was at Spurs he all of a sudden broke through the National side. The media would be all reporting that Spurs have developed him in to a regular starter for the England team, blah, blah, blah... When the only people doing that is the media.

It gets my goat and I'd be livid if I was him. We all moan at Lukaku for his outspokenness but maybe that would work for Ross. Get a dig in next time you win a MotM, pal... Live on Sky... Straight after a brace in the derby and when being interviewed "You never know... now England might start playing me too."

Mike Berry
8 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:26:28
Amazed that Ross did not get any time at all on the pitch, this dire game needed his creativity, and why play two defensive midfielders against Lithuania?

If I was him, I would be seething!

Brent Stephens
9 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:27:47
Probably giving our "youth" the experience of being with the English set-up, until the old lag Dele Alli retires.
Tony Hill
10 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:30:13
Point of fact from mine above: Clyne didn't play either.
Tom Bowers
11 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:31:10
I cannot, for the life of me, see what Lallana has that Ross doesn't. Oh, I forgot... he plays for the RedShite.
Chris Gould
12 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:34:29
That really is a strange one. To play almost everyone over the 2 games and play other lesser players in his position. Truly a kick in the balls for the lad.
Perhaps he has a minor niggle?
Anthony Dwyer
13 Posted 26/03/2017 at 19:50:53
Absolute joke!

The whole scenario of Ross going the World Cup and not playing a minute, then being dropped from the squad completely, even after the disgraceful performance from the national team, and now being brought back in to watch again. I just cannot understand why Southgate has done this to Ross.

Unfortunately, it's hard to look past it, but surely there has to be something the national team has against Everton players. Stones also didn't play at the World Cup as a blue, but now he's at Man City (and stinking the place out, may I add), he's all of a sudden the main man, able to even ask to be rested as and when he feels.

The same sort of thing happened back in the Lescott days, Jags wasn't ever given a fair go at it... and as for Baines, he was probably there or thereabouts best left back in the world for around 3 years and still had it tough.

I hope to god Ross signs a new deal but, if he wants a future at international level, he may have to jump ship.

Kevin Jones
14 Posted 26/03/2017 at 20:01:05
So Gareth "The Ork" Southgate, the ex world class centre-half, the managerial genius who's managed.... err... Boro, doesn't pick young Ross.

While that knobhead no-one's ever heard of... Coman... Coalman... Koeman or something – plays him every week. I know who I'd listen to.

Brent Stephens
15 Posted 26/03/2017 at 20:34:29
Ross seems a lad not naturally full of confidence. I hope this experience of being in the squad but not getting a minute on the pitch (again) doesn't do his confidence any damage. Just when he's hitting a purple patch.
Dave Abrahams
16 Posted 26/03/2017 at 20:37:08
How do these managers explain to players like Ross why they are not playing, even for 20 minutes? You would have to be really tough not to open your mouth and ask why you were brought into the squad for nearly a week, just to train.

I am absolutely sure Barkley would have been better off staying at Finch Farm than wasting his time, as he has done; he will learn more with Koeman than he ever will with managers and coaches like Southgate.

I hope Ross doesn't take this insult to heart, he seems a sensitive lad and needs to be given confidence instead of knock-backs like this.

John Malone
17 Posted 26/03/2017 at 20:39:56
Southgate is a gobshite!

Why call Barkley up and not give him any game time??

As said above glad he's fresh and injury free for Saturday hope he comes back a bit pissed off with an even bigger point to prove!!

Not sure him playing on the inside right position will be as effective without Coleman doing the legwork hope I'm wrong!!

Gordon Crawford
18 Posted 26/03/2017 at 20:43:34
Absolutely disgusted to hear that he wasn't chosen again. And yet we have lesser players, who are played out of position getting in front on him. Sickener.

Sadly I don't see him with us after this summer. And it bothers me to say this. But if he leaves Everton then he'll become a regular in the England team.

Bill Watson
19 Posted 26/03/2017 at 20:45:26
Sue (#6), I totally agree. Ross may be disappointed but I'm not, particularly after what happened to Seamus.

I couldn't care less about England; I leave them for the southerners.

Brian Wilkinson
20 Posted 26/03/2017 at 20:57:59
Nothing new here, same old it does not matter how well you are playing, it's which club team you play for.

How many games did Gary Cahill play for England, whilst he was at Bolton, add to that Henderson, Lallana, Ricky Lambert.

As soon as they sign for one of the media/fa darlings they get selected.

Is it any wonder youngsters want to sign for the big clubs, if that is the only way they are going to called up by their Country.

If Ross goes to Spurs there is no doubt he will be picked every game.

Brian Wilkinson
21 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:00:35
One player I do admire for loyalty was Wolves Steve Bull, brilliant centre forward who should have had more England caps, but as we know he stayed with Wolves and wrongly that hampered his England caps.
Stan Schofield
22 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:01:35
I don't generally watch England matches because they're so tedious. However, I did watch today's (I was at a friend's, and wouldn't have watched otherwise), and it was tedious. England are so mediocre and embarrassing, they remind me of Everton at our worst over the last couple of decades.

Ross is better out of this nonsense, despite all the blather people can spout about it being important to play for your country and all that drivel. Let's move into the present century, and have nothing to do with these ridiculous international fixtures.

Don Alexander
23 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:04:34
I'd echo what Koeman said he said to Ross earlier this season, namely, "It's up to you lad!"

It's no secret to anyone in football that Ross Barkely is highly unusual. He has skills most could only dream of, and yet he rarely grabs a game, any game, by the scruff of the neck.

This season he rarely scores any sort of goal, never mind a "worldie". For what it's worth, his "assist" stats are on a par with other English midfield players and as for his defensive stats, well, let's not go there.

I've said it before, he's a good player, and no more than that, after several years of first team experience. If he goes this summer the fee will reflect that fact. I'd be a bit glum to see him go but unfortunately there's little prospect of him further improving in the future.

Kevin Rowlands
24 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:07:33
I was happy for us that he didn't play, fresh for the derby which is way more important.

I've just seen a graphic put up by a blue on Twitter that he has played ZERO minutes in his last seven call ups... tell them to fuck off, Ross, and btw... Please sign that new contract!

Si Turner
25 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:09:38
I am made up he didn't play because, like others have said, he should be fresh against the RedShite!

Hugh Jenkins
26 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:12:47
It is clear that Southgate is "building for the future", after all, he has recalled Defoe (aged 34) and ditched Rooney (aged 31).

John Terry due for a recall next, no doubt.

Paul Birmingham
27 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:13:37
Being totally selfish and hoping for the best outcome for EFC when players go on international duty, I'm made up Ross didn't start.

Southgate looks like he's working the head and it's typical England picking players like Dier and Oxlade-Chamberlain, who've been poor of late for their clubs.

I hope Ross forgets England and is primed and ready for a great game on Saturday.

Robert Elliott
28 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:15:09
You seem to like your stats, Don, so why don't we throw in the fact that Ross has created more goalscoring opportunities than any other English player in the Premier League this season?

I'm not sure if you've been to many games at Goodison recently but, in my view, Ross has been excellent of late and certainly better than the likes of Livermore and Oxlade-Chamberlain. If the lad lacks anything, I'd say it's the self-confidence that most players with his ability have in abundance.

As for saying he's unlikely to improve in the future, I'd suggest he's improved considerably in the last few months alone so how can we possibly know he's reached the limit of his ability at 23 years of age?

Chris Leyland
29 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:21:25
Don – here are the current assists for this season

1. Sigurdsson 11
2. De Bruyne 10
2. Eriksen 10
4. Sànchez 9
5. Phillips 8
6. Barkley 7
6. Fàbregas 7
6. Lallana 7
6. Pedro 7
10. Lukaku 6

Kevin Rowlands
30 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:22:09
Don, yes, you're right, Koeman did tell him he needed to improve his performances along with several others in the team including Lukaku. It worked, he has been outstanding which is why he was recalled.

There was no-one in that midfield today that is a better player than Ross when he's at his best, not even close; it will be a very very sad day if he ever decides to leave Everton, the lad is top drawer!

Dave Abrahams
31 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:27:43
Don (#23), it's very strange that Southgate watched Ross against Hull and a few days later he called him up to the England squad... then fails to play him in two games.

One was a virtual testimonial versus Germany and the other match was never going to give England any problems and yet he doesn't bring him on to the field. I just don't see the point of the whole exercise, a complete waste of the lad's time.

Keith Monaghan
32 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:30:02
I'm with Don on this. Ross's performances for us of late have been way over-exaggerated, particularly by the Echo.

How much pressure has he brought on us by his lazy attitude? Opponents near to him don't effectively get closed down – any efforts he makes towards this are very half-hearted to say the least; his decision-making is still poor and he over-complicates the game, taking momentum out of many of our attacks.

It may not be nicer to say, but that horrible article Alli is far more effective.

Kevin Rowlands
33 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:37:32
Keith and Don, we're all entitled to our own opinions of course but you and I must have been watching different games these last couple of months.

Barkley has stepped it up big time, hence the England call up and more importantly Koeman playing him every game when earlier in the season he had no hesitation sitting him on the bench. Give the lad a break, it's fans like you two that will hound him out of the club.

Gordon Crawford
34 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:42:20
I'm sorry but Alli is not more effective. They don't even play the same position.

Alli is vastly over rated. But, because he plays for high-flying Spurs, he is then classed as a world beater. He is nothing but a dirty little cheat who does maybe one thing in 90 mins, ie, against Germany, he made one decent turn and that was it.

Ross is vastly more talented but suffers from confidence issues. But if he played for anyone else above us, he would be an England starter. This could wreck his confidence.

Also he has been great recently, not imperious but great. As saying he won't improve, will that's just nonsense. He is vastly improved.

I hope he stays.

Robert Elliott
35 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:44:00
Kevin, I couldn't agree more. If Ross leaves this summer, it will be a much more concerning development than if Rom goes. Rom's always been passing through, Ross is the kind of player we should be building our team around for the next decade.
Joe O'Brien
36 Posted 26/03/2017 at 21:47:21
Totally disagree with Don, he's getting better with each match. Looks a lot more confident on the ball. His link up play with Davies also gets better with each match.

We're lucky to have him. If he played with Spurs, Man Utd or Liverpool, he would be starting. Southgate is a clown.

Brent Stephens
37 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:09:17
Keith, the various arms of the media are just other observers of the game, but added to people like myself, who think Ross has improved significantly of late, are various media correspondents who are full of praise for the lad lately. That's the media that we think is weighed so much against Everton.
Brian Williams
38 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:16:46
I'd love it, but know without a doubt he wouldn't, if Ross approached Southgate and said "Thanks for the call-up to the squad but in future if you've no intention of playing me then please consider somebody else as I see sitting on the bench as a spectator a waste of my time."

Never gonna happen but wouldn't it be good if it did?

That game today called for a midfielder who can do something a little different, which Ross is well capable of doing.

I can see both sides of the argument as to his form lately. He does some great things, like the inch-perfect ball to Tom Davies for Calvert-Lewin's goal against Hull, but he also has little incidents of dithering where he seems to struggle with knowing what to do.

In my opinion, for what it's worth, he has really improved lately mind, and the positives outweigh the negatives.

He should have played some minutes in either or both of those games though... but, like most on here, I'm really happy he's undamaged for the derby.

Oh, one more thing... fuck England!

Kevin Rowlands
39 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:25:09
Brian, 100% agree with your last sentence!
Jeff Armstrong
40 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:25:42
Dave, you're right about Southgate watching Ross lately; I think he was also at the West Brom game when Ross was outstanding and Livermore anonymous, but who got the game time this week? Not Ross...

I bet a lot of people didn't even know Livermore had signed for WBA, he is that innocuous.

Steve Cotton
41 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:30:47
Watch the game in full and you will see Deli Ali lose it 4 times in the first 20 mins trying to take opponents on. Not one remark from the commentators. If it had been Ross, it would have been highlighted.

Not sure what Sterling brought to the game either apart from one run and cross...

Brian Williams
42 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:39:33
Cheers Kev (#39). Can't be doing with the England setup. Only ever watched one game live and that was when Peter Reid got picked and I drove down to Wembley on my own to watch him.

I remember talking to a Cockney England supporter and explaining I wouldn't have been there but for Reidy playing and he couldn't get his head round where I was coming from. Dunno if that's a bad attitude on my part but don't care either!

Don Alexander
43 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:46:21
I think Ross is a good player. I think he has skills that great players have. With those skills, just why he's never made the step-up to greatness is a real mystery.

But it's silly to denigrate Southgate and every manager he's ever been selected by, because after five years not one of them has been able to unlock the riddle that he remains.

Everyone, including himself, would be better off if it wasn't so but, in fairness, we still have a good player anyway. That's the reality... and to go on believing in greatness arriving next-time, next-time, next-time is by now just delusional.

Eddie Dunn
44 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:54:05
Gordon, I agree, Barkley has been really good this season, and that Spurs boy is conning refs every week.

I am though, delighted that our player was spared being exposed to injury with our important games approaching. Ross is going to be vital to our chances.

Tom Dodds
45 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:54:46
I just wish all the 'Fifa' 2014-17 lads would stop dribbling down their grey-less bearded chins about Ross going to Spurs...

Fahkin' hell people want to take a look at 'Grand Old Team' – there's a whole army of these bloody divies chatting similar shite on there day in and day soddin out... Just wish they would take a focused step back and wait before they type!

Ron Marr
47 Posted 26/03/2017 at 22:59:55
Mediocre performance at best. Maybe they should try playing the leading English Premier League player in chances created and assists.
Gordon Crawford
48 Posted 26/03/2017 at 23:03:40
Don, hardly five years now. He was brilliant the first season Roberto was here. But confidence has been fragile. This season, he has been very good. Koeman is working with him well.

So I see no reason to see him not improving more and more. Anyway all I know is England are garbage and they haven't had a decent manager since Venables.
Don Alexander
49 Posted 26/03/2017 at 23:10:16
Let's get this straight: to get to Champions League level, regularly or at all, every team these days will need a great player or two. In my mind there's "good", "great" and "greatest".

The "greatest" are less than a handful in any generation. They're Messi/Ronaldo, Cruyff/Platini, Di Stefano/Puskas types. The greats are more numerous but there's few of them too. Think Aguerro, Coutinho, Sanchez, Costa, de Bruyne etc these days for instance.

In every team with greatest or great, the rest of the team and squad beyond comprise good players minimum and they're not to be denigrated or squandered. That's why it pisses me off that if I describe Ross as "good" – it seems to be some sort of put-down.

Good will do, but if that's the limit of what we aspire to there's no way we'll get close to winning things or qualifying for the Champions League.

Kevin Gillen
50 Posted 26/03/2017 at 23:13:31
I wonder what ToffeeWebers will say if it becomes clear Barkley wants to leave the club in the close season?

I hate International breaks at the best of times but it seems to me the news is that we have just lost one of our best players to a long term injury he may never recover from, and our other two most valuable assets will be leaving in the close season.

I would dearly love Ross to stay and fulfil his potential with Everton but I am increasingly convinced he is on his way to another club.

Jim Bennings
51 Posted 26/03/2017 at 23:14:38
I've not been remotely interested in the England national team since the heroic failure of Euro 96 .

At least that was an exciting England team packed with entertaining players and big characters coupled with a charismatic manager in Terry Venables.

This pile of dross from the last decade and the current crop?

I couldn't give a damn to watch the mind-numbing backwards sideways pedestrian football that makes Roberto Martinez's ethos look positively enthralling..

Paul Windrum
52 Posted 26/03/2017 at 23:34:33
Interesting stats, Chris (#29) – Sigurdsson to replace Ross, should he decide not to renew his contract?
Tom Bowers
53 Posted 26/03/2017 at 23:38:04
Southgate is just another pretender in the job pandering to all the big clubs. Actually it's been like that for years.

When over-aged players are getting picked even though there are many younger, faster players chomping at the bit to get a start. My mind goes back to the idiot who picked Leon Osman way after he had any club form to warrant selection if he ever did.

I watched the game today and it was like watching paint dry. Against a team like Lithuania, England should have impressed and run up a score but they were poor.

Qualifying with teams like this in the group means nothing and I cannot understand why a big crowd would even pay hard earned money to see teams like this. Just doesn't make sense.

Mark Andersson
54 Posted 26/03/2017 at 23:45:10
I agree with Jim Bennings. If Ross does leave this summer, that tells you more about the ambition of Everton FC. However, I do think Koeman is doing a good job. A win against the sRedShite will lift everyone.
Mike Green
55 Posted 26/03/2017 at 00:08:31
Lyndon - reporting wise, you've not had great international break.

Get a bit of kip and prepare for the derby, we love you x

Don Alexander
56 Posted 27/03/2017 at 00:12:21
Kevin (#50), Ross has reached his potential, with us or elsewhere.
Kevin Rowlands
57 Posted 27/03/2017 at 00:18:14
Don (#56), we'll see about that, imho he's just getting started, time will tell!
Ian Pilkington
58 Posted 27/03/2017 at 00:52:22
It seems incredible that our best home produced player since Rooney would prefer to move elsewhere at this stage in his career.

This speculation seems to have been entirely fuelled by journalists who are unable to grasp that Everton are rapidly moving on to the same level as the clubs that supposedly will be bidding for him this Summer.

I feel confident Mr Moshiri will ensure Ross will sign a new contract.

Dick Fearon
59 Posted 27/03/2017 at 01:35:28
The England hype is reaching enormous levels, higher than all those other gigantic hypes of years past. The problem is that when the finals come around those mountains of hype dissolve into stinking piles of shite and Ross is well out of it.
Andrew Keatley
60 Posted 27/03/2017 at 01:37:39
Unfortunately Barkley still flatters to deceive at times. Huge talent, and he has made improvements this season, but he is still a certain way behind Alli and Lallana, who have shown huge consistency and ability for club and country in the last 12 months.

Actually thought Livermore had a very decent game against Germany on Wednesday. Not entirely sure why Oxlade-Chamberlain got the start ahead of Barkley for the Lithuania game though, but that's Southgate's call.

Mick Davies
61 Posted 27/03/2017 at 04:29:42
Ross has tweeted his annoyance at Southgate (Metro reported it), and singled out winger Oxlade-Chamberlain playing in his place as an insult.

As for Southgate: how sickening must it be for real England supporters, who watched him miss that penalty in a home based major competition, then shamelessly make lots of money in a Pizza commercial, basically taking the piss out of all those disappointed fans?

And also, his managerial record is negligible, yet he gets the job after pissing all over the nation with that advert!!! Crazy decision by a money grabbing bunch of morons at the FA.

Mike Green
62 Posted 27/03/2017 at 05:38:02
Mick (#61) – I'm an England fan and I'm fine with it, because alongside that I'm also an adult.

Dick (#59) – when you get back to planet earth, see above.

James Hughes
63 Posted 27/03/2017 at 06:35:08
I hope Belgium ignore Lukaku tomorrow night for their game against Russia.
Brian Porter
64 Posted 27/03/2017 at 06:56:51
Never once has Ross said he wants to leave Everton. This is just more media-fuelled mischief-making, intended to unsettle unsettle the player and the progress we are making towards challenging the top 6. In fact, all Ross has been quoted as saying is how Koeman has helped to transform his game and make him a better player. Hardly the words of a man wanting to leave the club.

As for England, another turgid display against a team who leaked goals in their friendly with the Czechs last week but who we found almost impossible to break down. Like most of the crowd I had almost fallen asleep until Vardy's goal, which should have opened the floodgates but failed to do so because in a game crying out for the player who has created more chances in the Premier League than anyone else this year, Southgate opted to leave him on the bench.

Is there an FA rule that tells managers that England must not play creative, incisive football and should play just enough to secure a win, no matter how weak the opposition? This was another rubbish display from England and to be honest, Ross is better to not be associated with having been a part of it.

Seems the days have gone when an England manager picks the form players AT THE TIME in any given position. They instead select crocks or players who can hardly get a game for their clubs. How they expect to win games with such a selection policy, God only knows.

Dan Egerton
65 Posted 27/03/2017 at 07:17:29
FYI Dele Alli has played the exact same number of games Ross has (25). Alli has provided only a 3 assists to Ross's 7, but Alli has scored 14 goals to Ross's 4 goals.
Dan Egerton
66 Posted 27/03/2017 at 07:18:10
That is for regular season games in the Premier League, not cup games or internationals.
Dermot Byrne
67 Posted 27/03/2017 at 08:06:14
I agree Brian. The media would have a much smaller sports section if players weren't unsettled and the holy grail of "big" or London clubs wasn't sold daily. I would be grateful, however, if he signed his new contract as he will be well aware the worry this is causing his fellow Blues.

Of course his agent is probably playing games to get the equivalent of our annual wage extra per week and that is where my sympathy/empathy runs out for the lad from Wavertree.

Damian Wilde
68 Posted 27/03/2017 at 08:35:55
Not good enough yet. Needs to continue with recent improved performances, get mire consistency on the map.
Stan Schofield
69 Posted 27/03/2017 at 08:57:54
Brian (#64): Spot on, although I would say that England's problems of team selection started not long after the 66 World Cup, when, for example, Kendall and Harvey never got picked (apart from one occasion when Harvey was picked for a relatively minor game). England lost a great opportunity to play them with Ball, to use the greatest midfield in the world at the time, better than the great Brazil midfield.

Who knows what England might have achieved with such better team selection? But the tradition of poor selection, and indeed poor managers and tactics, carries on. It's surely an indictment of a national set-up that the likes of Allardyce could be chosen as manager. Southgate is merely another in that league.

Dave Abrahams
70 Posted 27/03/2017 at 09:19:34
It is a long time since I was remotely interested in the England International team. I think what really turned me off was when they refused to give the manager's job to one of the best managers of all time, Brian Clough. He was interviewed but made it plain he wasn't going to be a puppet for the FA so wasn't selected. The FA have been mostly picking puppets for the job since.
Eddie Dunn
71 Posted 27/03/2017 at 10:04:15
The tendency in England for the coaches to get involved in managerial matters..transfers, bungs, wheeler- dealing, has had a negative impact on the appointments/rejections for the manager's job.
In other countries, coaches are asked to step in to the international scene and coach.
We had the scenario of El Tel being discarded due to his dodgy history, we had Hoddle commenting on all things spiritual, 'Arry Redface being bypassed due fear of disclosures of possible naughty deals, and of course Fat Sam demonstrating just how normal it is for these guys to have one eye on the squad and the other on the gravy.
The FA have now plumped for the safest, most uninspiring, bland candidates(Woy and Southgate).
The players available are average and the English coaches are too.
How Wembley sells out for these awful games is beyond me, but I have never been to an England game.
England will qualify but do their usual routine.
Rooney for manager!
Len Hawkins
72 Posted 27/03/2017 at 10:57:03
Ian #58 I can picture the Klitschko Brothers at Ross's front door with a pen and a contract "Sign here Comrade".
Terry Underwood
73 Posted 27/03/2017 at 11:26:28
as far as I can see, the main problem is the lack of top class players. Just ask yourself, how many England players would even make the squad of Italy, France, Germany, Argentina, Brazil? The list is almost endless. My answer is none, not by a country mile. Our players are all distinctly average. Maybe Rooney at his peak would have made the grade, but nobody else.
Scott Hall
74 Posted 27/03/2017 at 11:56:26
Isn't it funny how John Stones could barely get a kick for England when he was at Everton? He also went to the Euros and sat on the bench for the entire tournament. Yet since signing for Manchester City for £50m he has started every single England game.

The good old England set up. They're nothing if not predictable.

And seriously how does Jesse Lingard get in anybody's team? He's a shite Tom Cleverley. Which makes him double shite. Plus he does unnecessary handshakes and dabs. Which makes him a twat. He's a double shite twat.

Charles Barrow
75 Posted 27/03/2017 at 11:57:21
I think it was a bit of an insult that Ross didn't at least get 30 minutes against Germany or Lithuania. Hodgson didn't rate him (or like him) and I think Southgate is the same. It really is England's loss as I think he's a fantastic player who Everton must keep and build a team around him. Quite a few commentators (here in the south) are also bemused as to why he's not getting some playing time. 'arry Redknapp in his column in the Evening Standard is often saying he should be an automatic starter for England.
Barry Rathbone
76 Posted 27/03/2017 at 11:59:58
He makes too many mistakes for top level status. I fully expect him to end up like Chris Eagles.
Tony Abrahams
77 Posted 27/03/2017 at 12:20:28
Agree about Clough, Dave, and also think it's good that Ross Barkley, still has a point to prove if he wants to really play for England. Imagine Koeman, will be doing a Clough, on Ross, this Saturday, and telling him how much better he thinks he his than Llaana?

No use me thinking it Ross, is what he should be saying, because although I think you're the better player, you haven't got to prove it to me. Now get out there and fuckin' run the show, kid, show them whose boss... Ross!

Colin Malone
78 Posted 27/03/2017 at 12:36:41
As I have said before, Southgate is an accident waiting to happen and, like with other failed managers, the FA are to blame.

It's time for the selection process of the England manager to be changed. At the moment, only sacked managers need apply.

Ross was the only player not to get a run-out in both games. Southgate, you're a prick.

Tony J Williams
79 Posted 27/03/2017 at 12:45:26
"And seriously how does Jesse Lingard get in anybody's team? He's a shite Tom Cleverley. Which makes him double shite. Plus he does unnecessary handshakes and dabs. Which makes him a twat. He's a double shite twat."

Congratulations Scott, you win the internet today.

First laugh of the day

Peter Roberts
80 Posted 27/03/2017 at 13:26:49
Don Alexander – I'm just wondering how Barkley has managed to evolve to "good" in your ranking of his ability as a player? He's showing very very good things at the moment.

For me, his performances of late have been reminiscent of Arteta when most fans were clamouring for him to be selected for Spain or England.

Barkley of recent has been outstanding. He takes the attention of two opponents and his decision making, passing, positioning and work rate have been of a high standard – far better than what we were used to when the boorish jealous fans would be giving him endless grief.

I believe there may well be a personality disorder that can be associated to the dislike of this lad. Moyes and Hodgson had a terrible bout of it. Many Everton fans seem to have it – my diagnosis is jealousy and identifying a sensitive/lesser intelligent kid with an unbelievable talent.

Dermot Byrne
81 Posted 27/03/2017 at 14:20:45
Maybe Southgate understands how to manage our Ross in the same way that Koeman does?

Perhaps getting to the standard we want at the club is fairly recent and more great club performances will make him ready for internationals. Maybe Koeman and Southgate can talk! If so, great for us. All players develop differently.

Jim Knightley
82 Posted 27/03/2017 at 14:25:58
Jealous fans, Peter? You sound like a parent figure. No true Everton fan wants Barkley to do badly or is jealous. That's an astoundingly strange accusation.

The problem with Barkley is that he did not perform for long periods of time, but was spoken about as if he was the next big thing (not his fault, and he was never good enough to be spoken about in those terms). He has, in general, slowed our play down and his game falls to pieces when he is low on confidence (a trait shared by many but not the truly great players).

There were some wonderful performances (like Wilshere too) but a lot of sub-standard ones. He failed to make his mark on games, and too often appeared as a square peg in a round hole. The younger Alli completely outstripped him in terms of performances in the league, consistency, and goals.

You'd have to be his parent, or have some peculiar emotional attachment to him, to deny his failings and his lack of consistency. And he has turned 23 – he is not 19 anymore.

Yet, the last three months has seen a different Barkley. He has controlled games in a way he simply did not before. He has been a livewire – fluid in his movement and constantly dangerous. He has been superb. He needs to keep that going now – to not fall away. Because if we want to be a top four team we need consistency in that position.

Our rivals have the likes of Ozil, De Bryune, Silva, Eriksen, Alli, Hazard, Coutinho – Barkley needs to join that club if we want to really kick on. For the last few months he has managed that, and Liverpool and Man Utd away offer perfect opportunities to show Southgate why he was wrong to not give him more of a chance.

Ray Smith
83 Posted 27/03/2017 at 15:09:56
Dermot (#81),

I can't agree with you. Ross when selected has sat on the bench for 7 matches. I don't recall Koeman dropping him or benching him for 7 straight games.

I'm getting rather disillusioned with international football, we are 2nd tier at best and will never win any competition for the foreseeable future.

I can't quite fathom out Southgate's mindset with his squad selection!

Len Hawkins
84 Posted 27/03/2017 at 15:17:04
Apparently the clown from over the park was world class according to Southgate. Did I miss something? Did the cameras not pan on to him when he was performing these acts of brilliance.

But whilst Southgate is blowing smoke up Lallana's arse, Ross has no chance.He'll just have to play him off the park next weekend.

Rob Halligan
85 Posted 27/03/2017 at 15:20:59
Hugh Jenkins (#26), re Rooney being ditched by England.

I thought it at the time that Rooney was ditched by England after the slightest mention of him possibly returning to us!

Peter Roberts
86 Posted 27/03/2017 at 17:54:17

Yes, jealousy. Jealous managers who had a fraction of his talent.

Jealous fans who think if they had his talent would be so much better like they know the position he plays in and what he should be doing.

Ex-footballers like Scholes and Merson really rate the lad... really rate him. They know enough about the position he plays.

Kristian Boyce
87 Posted 27/03/2017 at 18:26:14
It's amusing that the media are trying to flog Barkley to Spurs, as it would improve his international chances. Spurs have players like Eriksen, Alli, Lamela and Dembele all playing in roles that Barkley would play in, so in reality he probably wouldn't be playing as regularly as he is now.
Thomas James
88 Posted 27/03/2017 at 18:40:34
Yep, gutted for Ross; he's playing much better.

I'm even more upset Tom Davies didn't get a starting place or near the squad. That lad's champagne – he and Ross together are amazing.

Geoff Williams
89 Posted 27/03/2017 at 18:49:02
I've never felt that Barkley gets a fair crack of the whip. He seems to be judge differently to others. Even when his performances have been criticised there have been others having worse games.

He is an exceptionally talented footballer but fails by comparison with others because he is an introvert and lacks the ego of some of his rivals. He is a much better footballer than Dele Alli but lacks his aggression.

Some of Barkley's through-balls of late have been sublime. Defoe and Vardy would have thrived on the service provided by Barkley.

England's performance was poor against a second rate team. It lacked flair. Huff and puff won't be good enough against top teams.

Sam Barrett
91 Posted 27/03/2017 at 19:03:50
I find it very amusing that everyone is aghast at Barkley not getting a game for England when, 6 weeks ago, a lot of people on here saying he's not even good enough for Everton!

Me, I'm glad he isn't playing for that bunch of arseholes – makes him less likely to come back injured for the derby.

Colin Glassar
92 Posted 27/03/2017 at 19:30:19
Short memories, Sam. The same goes for Lukaku. Now the 𧴜m, for both of them, being bandied around by the ITK media is just pathetic.
Damian Wilde
93 Posted 27/03/2017 at 19:35:57
I know, they said £65 mill for Rom... as if!!! 😃😃😃
Mick Davies
94 Posted 27/03/2017 at 21:03:17
Mike @ 62, you say you're an adult but have a very immature attitude to people taking the piss out of you.
Laura Round
95 Posted 27/03/2017 at 21:04:54
Sam (#91). I think the concern is Ross has seemed to take the snub badly in the past and it knocks his confidence. To be one of only two players to not see game time must be very confusing. Especially when someone's played out of position ahead of you. Glad he's not injured though obviously, and I hope he's up for it Saturday. :)
Don Alexander
96 Posted 27/03/2017 at 21:31:11
Peter Roberts (#80), you confuse me.

I think he's a good player but I know diddly-squat about his "evolution". Given his age and years of first team experience under various managers, I'm regrettably of the opinion that he's unlikely to develop any further. To do that he'd need to show an ability to grab a game by the bollocks in the way that great players do, and not just once or twice a season.

As a good player, he seems incapable of doing so, ever, like just about every other player in our club. That's what I hope the new set-up has recognised; we need two or three great players to do the business, supported as they will be by good players all around them and on the bench.

Last season, Leicester were stunned like the rest of us to discover they had great players in the shapes of Kante, Vardy and Mahrez and good players all round them. This season, the two still there have reverted to 'good' and a few of the lesser ones have become less than 'good'. I hope we're aiming higher than that. We'll have to if we achieve what's projected by Mr Moshiri.

Ross or any other players can make me look stupid any time they want to by consistently winning against teams above us by the way. Let's give it a year to see where they're going eh? I'd love to be amazed!

Chris Leyland
97 Posted 27/03/2017 at 22:21:11
Let us hope that this drives him on with the attitude of wanting to prove people wrong. It seems to have been a 'tough love' approach from Koeman that has had more of a positive effect on his progress this year.
Keith Monaghan
98 Posted 27/03/2017 at 22:54:29
People can knock Southgate & other recent England managers all they want & blame them for England's lack of success.

The truth is the managers are NOT to blame; reality is that there is a lack of quality players to choose from – why? Because the FA & Premier League have allowed premier league squads & academies to become full of foreigners, thus restricting the opportunity & development of English players.

Those of us around in 1966 and pre-Premier League know that England managers had loads of decent players competing for every position – that's a significant factor in why players like Colin Harvey & Howard Kendall, who would look great compared to England's current midfield players, had so few England caps. And why a lot of players getting capped now wouldn't have got in the squad had they been around way back then.

Nigel Johnson
99 Posted 27/03/2017 at 23:48:54
Well, my opinion on Barkley: he is playing better for Everton but, when I've watched Barkley play for England, he plays to save. He has space at times to run at players and get a shot off but always looks to pass to someone else. He needs to take on more responsibility and shoot more.
David Hamilton
100 Posted 28/03/2017 at 00:48:13
Harvey and Kendall had one England cap between them.

Alan Mullery had 35.

Get your head around that one, if you can.

Oh yes, Mullery was playing for Spurs.

Barry Jones
101 Posted 28/03/2017 at 03:22:46
At the moment, there are better players for England in Ross's position, particularly Adam Lallana and Dele Alli. Are they more talented than Ross? No... but, at this point in time, their all-round games are better.

If Ross stays at Everton and continues to work hard under Koeman, as he has been doing, I will be surprised if he does not establish himself firmly in the England team over the next year.

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