Moshiri is part-owner of the Liver Building

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Projected coordinates for Goodison Park illuminate the Royal Liver Building
Farhad Moshiri is now the joint owner of the Royal Liver Building, and the iconic Liver Birds that sit atop its twin towers.

The world-famous building was sold for £48M in February to a consortium led by international property group Corestate. It now turns out that Mr Moshiri, who bought his stake in Everton a year ago, was Corestate's partner in the deal.

Corestate had already vowed to invest millions in the Royal Liver Building to attract new office tenants, as Liverpool is lacking in the top-class “Grade A” offices it needs to attract new businesses and jobs.

And Mr Moshiri says he is proud of the potential of the building and the city.

He told the Liverpool Echo: “I am delighted to have jointly acquired the Royal Liver Building, which is a world-class property in a bustling riverfront location.

“Following my investment in Everton last year, I am confident in the prospects for Liverpool as a thriving international city and am pleased that I have been able to make this investment in such a landmark building with potential for further improvement.”

Liverpool Echo Echo

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Ed Fitzgerald
1 Posted 05/04/2017 at 10:15:53
That will make a good new Merchandise store. And he can paint the birds Blue.
Patrick Murphy
2 Posted 05/04/2017 at 10:48:02
We may only have taken a point from both the away games but even Moshiri has excelled himself by releasing such positive news shortly following a set-back.

John G Davies
3 Posted 05/04/2017 at 10:54:13
Paint the birds Royal Blue ASAP!!!
Liam Reilly
4 Posted 05/04/2017 at 10:56:43
Location, Location, Location (as Kirsty would say).

Buy the shittest place in the best part of town and bring it back to life. Bramley Moore Docks is key to the future success of this club.

Dominance is cyclical and in my opinion, a modern state of the art stadium on the Docks is Everton's opportunity to take back the City.

As soon as the first spade goes in the ground, the groans from them lot will be heard all the way from Norway.

Martin Nicholls
5 Posted 05/04/2017 at 11:22:49
Patrick – pity Moshiri can't now reclaim the Liver Bird from the Red Shite and forbid them using it! At least he could have them painted Royal Blue!
John Ronnie
6 Posted 05/04/2017 at 12:03:21
I see the gobshites are spouting shite again in the Echo cos our new owner has just bought the Liver Buildings! Jealous bitter sods, I think some of them are genuinely bothered, they just hate anyone wanting to do well and progress... terrible and disgusting trait that is.

Seems our Mr Moshiri is dead serious, the Liver Buildings could be our new Club HQ once we've got the new stadium.

Eugene Ruane
7 Posted 05/04/2017 at 14:45:00
Perhaps he'll paint the birds blue just to get on their tits and for singing nasty songs about Seamus.

Mike Keating
8 Posted 05/04/2017 at 17:06:22
Great view of the Bramley-Moore Dock from the top.

Can't wait for Jeff from West Derby to come on the Roger Phillips phone-in...

Eugene Ruane
9 Posted 05/04/2017 at 17:27:06
Now get the birds eyes lasered up Link and on matchdays they can project our badge into the night-sky.

Childishly sings "The birds are all ours, we own your badge, the birds are.."

Brent Stephens
10 Posted 05/04/2017 at 17:28:16
"Moshiri has also initiated legal action against Liverpool FC, forbidding the use of the Liver bird symbol on Liverpool FC merchandise".

Oh the joy if he wins that one!

Peter Laing
11 Posted 05/04/2017 at 17:30:41
It would make perfect sense to have a suite or several suites of panoramic offices overlooking the Mersey with northward views of Bramley-Moore Dock and the new stadium. Imagine the attraction of conducting transfer deals, commercial endorsements and other Club business in such an iconic venue with a breathtaking backdrop.

The communications and PR department could be placed in situ and the famous Liverpool landmark becoming synonymous with the regeneration of the Club.

Kieran Kinsella
12 Posted 05/04/2017 at 17:31:02
He should add an extra statue of himself flipping the bird.
Michael Kenrick
13 Posted 05/04/2017 at 17:32:10
Er, Brent, I think that's someone being a little mischievous with the Wikipedia article...

Eugene, didn't EFC project blue imagery onto the Royal Liver at night a few years back? I can't seem to find a photo of that...

Brent Stephens
14 Posted 05/04/2017 at 17:33:59
I know, Michael. That's why (as an academic) I didn't cite Wikipedia – would have been ashamed to have acknowledged that site! I'm now ashamed!
John Ronnie
15 Posted 05/04/2017 at 18:02:37
Cue the protests, petitions, banner waving, phone ins, marches, blaming someone else, never their fault blar blar blar .

Barry Rathbone
16 Posted 05/04/2017 at 18:10:25
After his purchase, I heard Moshiri suggested welcoming incoming cruise ships with an authentic Merseyside experience by projecting a lilting sea shanty from the RLB.

What objection could there be to bolting loud speakers to the heads of the Liver Birds and playing the instrumental version of the "Johnny Todd"???

Phil Bellis
17 Posted 05/04/2017 at 18:15:11
Michael, haven't the other lot only copyrighted the cartoon bird, not the heraldic one on the city's coat of arms?
Patrick Murphy
18 Posted 05/04/2017 at 18:16:51
Michael (#12),

I'm not sure if these pictures are the ones you mean?

EFC Pics

Sam Barrett
19 Posted 05/04/2017 at 18:19:04
Clever Clever man!
Patrick Murphy
20 Posted 05/04/2017 at 18:24:57
Give LFC the bird; I always do. But seriously the fact that Moshiri is part owner of the most iconic building in the City has to be good news for the club, if it is to take up office space in the building or is used to house the David France collection, as it will remind those not from these parts that Everton FC is indeed from the city of Liverpool and that can only help to raise the club's international profile.

Obviously Moshiri is a businessman first and foremost and he hasn't invested in the building for a laugh or to have a cheap shot at the other lot, but rather to make money for himself and his partners. But it does show that he must have faith in the City and that can only be good news for all of the residents if it attracts others to invest too.

Ron Sear
21 Posted 05/04/2017 at 18:49:30
Just proves that you can own things built over an old dock, Georges Dock if I remember rightly.
Colin Glassar
22 Posted 05/04/2017 at 20:50:42
Can it be lit up Royal Blue at night? That would be brilliant
Brian Williams
23 Posted 05/04/2017 at 20:51:28
"The birds are all ours,"
"The birds are all ours."
"Find a new logo,"
"The birds are all ours."
Mike Green
24 Posted 05/04/2017 at 21:01:14
"Corestate had already vowed to invest millions in the Royal Liver Building to attract new office tenants, as Liverpool is lacking in the top-class “Grade A” offices it needs to attract new businesses and jobs ."

Moshiri is moving in and that is one hell of a marker to show you mean business.

"Lets be friendly, I'll help you if you help me, we can share the city," he says to Mayor Joe. Mayor Joe gestures to the waiter for more champagne.

That stadium is happening.

Kev Johnson
25 Posted 05/04/2017 at 21:07:16
Gets better, this... next he will tell us he's purchased the original John Houlding deeds and he's just served them fuckers notice.
Jason Bowen
26 Posted 05/04/2017 at 21:13:38
It's like chess: you move your pawns into place, then check mate!

The city is ours!

Jay Wood
27 Posted 05/04/2017 at 21:58:40
Whilst I think, for a good number of supporters, evidence of what Moshiri intends to achieve for the club will only be proven by the size of the summer transfer budget and the quality of players we will recruit, I for one am quite intrigued by this purchase.

It is an investment in the bricks and mortar of the city – and a very iconic one at that – outside of his interest in the club itself.

Together with the proposed building of the stadium on the waterfront, Moshiri seemingly is investing heavily in the regeneration of the city.

Now he evidently has engaged in high level talks with Joe Anderson and Peel. There are grand plans afoot for considerable regeneration of a much neglected corner of the city.

The Arabs at Man City invested in the club with the prime intention of having a presence in Manchester and establishing the city as their UK hub for their Etihad Airline.

I can't help but wonder if Moshiri's sudden interest and investing in our club and the city is preparing the ground for a similar business model, whether that is related to the airline industry or other, from which Everton can greatly benefit in the same way as Man City have.


Colin Grierson
28 Posted 05/04/2017 at 22:04:23
...on the banks of the royal blue Mersey! A very good omen indeed!
Chris Owens
29 Posted 05/04/2017 at 22:23:25
Good lad, Farhad. Now buy the Crowne Plaza, reinstate pubs and chippies on every street corner of the Dock Road, and Saturdays are sorted. County Road Mk2.
Eddie Dunn
30 Posted 05/04/2017 at 22:33:04
Eugene, how about...

"It's one of our own
It's one of our oooown
The Liver Building – It's one of our own!"

Daniel Joseph
31 Posted 05/04/2017 at 22:56:57
Make a decent Wethies, that! :-)
Eugene Ruane
32 Posted 05/04/2017 at 22:57:20
Eddie @ 29 - 'Eugene, how about...'

Woooaah! Who am I, Tony Hatch?

Phil Parker
33 Posted 06/04/2017 at 00:49:24
This news doesn't need a comment. Talk about action being louder than words. Fantastic, Mr Moshiri.

Now, if we can start using a Blue Liver bird on some of the merchandise of the first club in the city...

Mick Davies
34 Posted 06/04/2017 at 01:03:17
I hope his next purchase is our former ground, and he evicts the Viking squatters who have to set up home on a former coal mine in St Helens.
Colin Metcalfe
35 Posted 06/04/2017 at 01:03:49
Jay@26 I must admit I didn't see this one coming from Moshiri, very astute purchase and I can't help thinking that this is part of a plan put together by Morshiri and his business partner.

David Israel
36 Posted 06/04/2017 at 01:05:27
Dominance may be cyclical, Liam #4, but this particular cycle has been going on for too long...
John Pierce
37 Posted 06/04/2017 at 01:37:57
Paints the Liver Birds blue? You must be 'effing joking!! Stay classy lads and uplight them blue FFS.

A corner office, viewing the RBM as Bramley-Moore gets built.

In all seriousness, it tells me Moshiri knows his primary investment, the ground, is boxed off. That seals it for me.

The fella look like he wants to invest in the City aswell as the footy. Power to him. Geniunely affected by this. The waterfront is part of my childhood. Good times for the city abound.

Deffo first stop for prospective signings!

Derek Thomas
38 Posted 06/04/2017 at 01:50:42
Brent@ 9: not sure Moshiri can do that, the rs only copyrighted their cartoon version. The copyright of 'his' birds still resides until 2025, with the estate and heirs of the original 'artist/sculptor' – Carl Bernard Bartel, who designed them.

The bird on the City Coat of Arms, is a Heraldic device, which I presume 'belongs' to the City and the various positions of the wings have specific meanings.

My contact Clive at The College of Arms tells me that a slight 'tweak' to the position of the wings, thus differentiating it from both the City and the stylized rs cartoon shite, would then be described – in Heraldic terms as a 'Azure Liver Bird Resurgent'... very apt.

Just imagine that 40 ft high, all lit up on the river side of the stadium.

That would cause some rs heads to explode... and it would look great too.

George Stuart
39 Posted 06/04/2017 at 03:40:24
Damn Ed [1].
That was exactly my first thought.
Royal Blue with white rings
Mark Wynne
40 Posted 06/04/2017 at 06:34:53
Could this be another way of investing in the club by the back door by some kind of sponsorship deal? It seems to be the way to bypass FFP to invest in clubs by claiming it's a revenue stream rather than direct investment e.g. Usmanov and Finch Farm.
Paul Turner
41 Posted 06/04/2017 at 06:41:58
Just need the resurgent azures to win some "argent" to start filling the new trophy room.

My grandad – a Blue – worked in the Royal Liver Building, and he'd have loved this. Well done, Mr Moshiri!

Colin Glassar
42 Posted 06/04/2017 at 08:57:57
If Usmanov buys the Cunard Building, then something is definitely going on.
Brian Williams
44 Posted 06/04/2017 at 10:19:59
It could well be Mr Moshiri's reciprocal back scratching of the Mayor and the council. ;-)
Alexander Murphy
45 Posted 06/04/2017 at 12:02:42
Seriously, I'll be scrolling back to read our comments. But, isn't this Evertonians' "We've got Robinho"? Cos it bloody well feels like it to me.

I'm LOVING the Mosh. Go on Farhad. No idea what you have planned next. But, William Ralph Dean, you are making changes!

THIS is the kind of imagination that has been utterly absent for generations. Uncle John must be laughing upstairs.

Brent Stephens
46 Posted 06/04/2017 at 12:13:26
Derek (#38). Thanks. Very interesting.

Maybe Mosh should get Mayor Joe to redraw the city boundaries – Anfield now being excluded and renamed as New Kirkby.

Alexander Murphy
47 Posted 06/04/2017 at 12:13:40
Having scrolled back, please can we stop focussing upon how "they" might feel or react?

Our time as the "downstairs maid", for heavens sake! Take a strong look at your mentality.

You have been conned and deceived into even considering that the neighbours are first to the table, then we must be grateful for any remains.

Never, ever true.

Jim Lloyd
48 Posted 06/04/2017 at 13:03:32
Mr Moshiri is now part owner of the most iconic building in Liverpool. Not only that, the Liver Building is the major part of the Three Graces and is known throughout the world as the centre of the Liverpool waterfront and the first sight of our city for generations of sailors and travellers. Brilliant!

I think it's another sign of the plans that Mr Moshiri (and probably partners!) have for developing the whole waterfront from the Three Graces to our new Stadium. It seems to me, improbable that Peel Holdings aren't very much aware of his thoughts about how Peel and himself will develop the Waterfront to the mutual benefit of both parties.

If all goes well with the Stadium plans being given the permission to go ahead, along with the concept for the North End redevelopment, then the Liverpool waterfront is going to be a fantastic place to live, work, visit and Watch Everton! I'm with Jay (#27) in that there are great plans afoot!

The great thing about Mr Moshiri is, he doesn't say much about his plans, he just goes ahead and carries em out!

Two further points:

a) about our relative anonymity in comparison to LFC regarding the link to our city. Well, we have a proud history, a great history but...we have been overlooked from those in the football media and LFC have been very clever in linking themselves as "The" representative of the city in the football world. I see no reason why we should not have the city's unofficial emblem attached to our club. I would like to see us leave people in no doubt about our club, it's history and where we come from and if it means having some manifestation of the Liver bird in our badge, I'm all for it if it can be included... along with Prince Rupert's tower of course.

b) About whether Mr Moshiri "puts his money where his mouth is" as some doubtful blues have expressed, I think that within the limits of the fair finance rip off, he will use every means to put our club in a position to challenge for Europe as soon as is possible. That will include, if given sufficient time (say 3 seasons) changing the managership, the board membership, or anything else which is a hindrance to our club getting back to where we belong.

Terry Underwood
49 Posted 06/04/2017 at 13:51:59
We don't need blue paint, blue floodlights or anything else. Just the thought of it is enough to send "them" into choking fits... Hey, maybe they'll go blue in the face.
Dan Egerton
50 Posted 06/04/2017 at 14:06:44
"As soon as the first spade goes in the ground, the groans from them lot will be heard all the way from Norway."


Dan Egerton
51 Posted 06/04/2017 at 14:21:05
As an aside, some of you might find this interesting.

"LIVERPOOL FC have won a court battle which protects the club’s right to copyright over the Liver Bird.

The Reds controversially secured the trademark in 2010 as they attempted to clamp down on merchandise forgers.

But those opposed to the move claimed the iconic Liver Bird was a symbol for the whole city of Liverpool, not just the football club which has the bird on its shirt and crest.

They appealed the decision of the Trade Marks and Designs Registration Office of the European Union.

Alfie Hincks, 47, from Fazakerley, applied to have the decision revoked and gathered hundreds of pages of evidence of the bird as a wider symbol of Liverpool.

But a judgement has now found in favour of the Anfield club once again."

Dan Egerton
52 Posted 06/04/2017 at 14:22:13
How about a cheeky petition to demand liverpool remove OUR bird from their logos and shirts... :D
Peter Cummings
53 Posted 06/04/2017 at 15:30:27
Great news on the purchase of the Liver Buildings by Moshiri and Co; along with the new stadium project, it will add further to the Everton status as the city's major influence in Liverpool events instead of being regarded as the 'second city' for far too long.

The 'Liver' has always been a cherished part of my childhood when I lived in Brunswick Gardens on Caryl Street where our balcony overlooked the Mersey on the third floor; many were the times me and my mates bought a 'Penny Return' and jumped the Overhead Railway at Toxteth Dock station to the Pier Head where we spent the day just hanging around the city centre, scrounging the odd penny to buy 'faded' apples at the fruit market.

Southdene and Northwood Kirkby was our next stop on our trek to Canada, via Prestatyn, to Toronto in January 1980... but those early days overlooking the Mersey will always be my 'Happy Days' when I (literally) ran around with ''no arse in me keks or shoes on me feet''. COYB.

Jim Lloyd
54 Posted 06/04/2017 at 15:49:45
Dan (#51) – check with Derek's post at #38.
Tony Abrahams
55 Posted 06/04/2017 at 15:59:21
If history repeats itself, then it will be shipping that will make this city great again, so acquiring land on a world famous waterfront is a very clever move from Farhad Moshiri.

I've just wrote to Delboy, if he still lives in Nelson Mandela House, because I want to see if he's got any of that paint that he painted his Ma's grave with, in blue!

Ed Fitzgerald
56 Posted 06/04/2017 at 17:30:50
They may well have falsely acquired some rights to the image of the Liverbird. However they couldn't stop us from using the image/silhouette of the Liver building with two birds on it for any marketing could they? They don't own the rights to that!

Typical of the RS the image of the Liverbird was used on a Everton shirt long ago before that rabble appropriated it. I know we are disappointed about how things have gone on the pitch this week but I get the sense that off the pitch we are starting to assert ourselves again, at last.

Joe Clitherow
57 Posted 06/04/2017 at 17:43:10
We went through this on another thread last year I think – Lyndon will remember this. It was a thread about LFC trademarking the Liver Bird.

Obviously they cannot trademark the Liver Bird per se – it exists in lots of places including the original physical design on the Liver Buildings and the council's logo etc.

All that can be trademarked is the particular representation of the Liver Bird on the RS badge, which gets very subtle in terms of trademark dispute.

The real reason they tried to do this (or, the only valid reason they can give in trademarking this successfully) was to stop people reproducing their badge/logo on unofficial merchandise.

They haven't falsely acquired any rights. The image rights they have are a lot narrower than people think.

Ed Fitzgerald
58 Posted 06/04/2017 at 17:45:08

Thanks for that clarification.

Bill Watson
59 Posted 06/04/2017 at 17:54:55
Joe (#57) is quite correct. The LFC Liver bird version is just one of many.
There's a brilliant mosaic one on the side wall of a florist in High Street, Wavertree.

Pre WW1, it was used as a trade mark by the Toxteth Co-op and this was one of their shops.

Brian Williams
61 Posted 06/04/2017 at 19:23:07
The Liver bird is actually a symbol of the city itself and has been for around 800 years, long before the club across the park came about.
Christine Foster
62 Posted 06/04/2017 at 19:46:37
As Colin said, I would floodlight them every night in blue light... seenfrom every point of the compass from New Brighton to Speke. We are the iconic, and I would remind them every night...

Its about time we pushed the kopites back into our unwanted stadium.. too long have we been made second class citizens in our city. Well done Moshiri... Thank you.

Dave Lynch
63 Posted 06/04/2017 at 20:28:36
Bollocks to that lighting them blue malarkey.

Rent the badge out to them for an extortionate fee, under the proviso that written underneath their badge are the words.

'Reproduced under license from Everton FC'
'Copyright protected'

Now that would rattle a few cages.

Dan Davies
64 Posted 06/04/2017 at 23:01:03
C'mon, Mr Moshiri, we all know you browse through ToffeeWeb! Get those birds shining bright blue ASAP. The psychological effect it would have on the reds would be priceless, well worth $48,000,000! Hahaha!
Mick Davies
65 Posted 07/04/2017 at 05:09:09
How about a huge mural, tastefully carved and painted in blue letters on white background across the front of the Liver buildings: "Welcome to the city, home of Everton FC'?
Will Mabon
66 Posted 07/04/2017 at 05:46:03
Come on people, let "Them" have their bird. It's too deeply associated with them by now. Why has no-one mentioned our tower, our blue beacon. Let's make that great, again.

(And we need to make sure it's tightly owned, if not already.)

Daniel Lim
67 Posted 07/04/2017 at 06:00:07
Wonder which one would wind them up more.

1. Welcome to the city, home of Everton FC
2. Welcome to the city, home of Everton FC, and another football club

Peter Howard
68 Posted 07/04/2017 at 06:34:54
Cue the 'phone-in:

"The thing is, Roger, they won't even look after them birds and another thing, Roger, that building was used during the English Civil War as a morgue for dead Cavalierheads. What is the city getting off Everton for it, Roger? I'll bet it next to nothin'. They don't even own it, Roger, they only own the freehold..."

Steven Jones
69 Posted 07/04/2017 at 07:02:28
The combination of the new stadium, museum, cultural and tourist experiences associated closely with the new stadium and City centre leisure facilities built around a fulcrum of an Everton shrouded Live Building with EFC HQ offices and Board meetings, EFC Fan Offices and meetings, EFC tourist booths, EFC shop, Player appearance events, EITC office, Ticket Sales office, Stadium Tour Bookings combined with Albert Dock and Beatles Museum Tours and a hug sign "Welcome to the proud blue city of Liverpool on the Bank of The royal Blue Mersey" that would make a nice start .

Would be just brilliant

Jay Griffiths
70 Posted 07/04/2017 at 08:14:51
Buy Everton. ✅

Capture Koeman.✅
Invest in team. ✅
Sponsor Finch Farm. ✅
Announce new stadium. ✅
Buy Bramley Moore Dock. ✅
Purchase Liver building. ✅
Amusing. Very, very amusing.

James Byrne
71 Posted 07/04/2017 at 09:02:31
As regards to the iconic Liver Birds, I'd take them down and put them in storage for a few years just to wind that lot up.

On a serious note this type of investment in the City itself is frightening and Moshiri and his people know exactly what they are doing.

As regards to the whinging LFC fans, fuck them all, we're moving on.

Brent Stephens
72 Posted 07/04/2017 at 09:26:58
Daniel #67 "Welcome to the city, home of Everton FC, and another football club".

How about "Welcome to Merseyside, home of Everton and Tranmere"?

Daniel Lim
73 Posted 07/04/2017 at 10:36:14
Haha... Brent. Sorry I am not from the UK and I totally forgot about Tranmere.

To me, I will feel more wound up if someone calls EFC "another club" as opposed to not mentioning us at all. But that's just me, I am not kopite. LOL

Colin Hughes
74 Posted 07/04/2017 at 10:56:21
Hate the way the media always snub us though. In Manchester it is City or United but here it is just how good or famous the Red Shite are. Just been watching that Opening show horse racing programme on ITV4 and you probably guessed on the tour of Liverpool as part of the Grand National coverage where they went on it.

Three girls in a car singing Beatles songs followed by a trip past Anfield to sing that song with one of the saying "Who do you support", reply "Only one team to support in this city."

Always the same when non-football themed shows are set here – they have always got to get them in somehow.

Ed Fitzgerald
75 Posted 07/04/2017 at 11:24:55

They won't be able to snub us when we have our ground on the Mersey and every Cityscape shot sees it. I till think Moshiri should bathe the Liver buildings in Blue light every evening.

A trophy winning team would help change perceptions also.

Brent Stephens
76 Posted 07/04/2017 at 12:05:54
Daniel (#73) – where are you from?
Alexander Murphy
77 Posted 07/04/2017 at 14:18:00
Dear Mr Moshiri, thank you so much.

While you are at it, could you and your mates PLEASE buy Everton de Viña del Mar, then a club in Canada/USA and involve Landon Donovan and Tim Howard, one in South Africa and involve Pienaar, then one in Oz and involve Tim Cahill, then one in China and involve Lie Tie.

Get them ALL badged as Everton. Then we open "Stadio Domingo", (credit to my mate Jamie who devised this name last night) we can hold the inaugural "Tournament of Evertons" for the WR Dean Trophy, shaped after Rupert's Tower.

Then after that, total world domination?

Although, winning some silver before we depart Goodison would be just smashing.

Steve Brown
78 Posted 07/04/2017 at 15:46:05
St Domingo's Tower.
Daniel Lim
79 Posted 07/04/2017 at 16:00:47
Brent #76
I'm from Malaysia. Been to GP four times in 2005-2006 season.
Witnessed the disgraceful Collina chalked off Dunc's perfectly legal goal vs Villarreal.
Only one win for the blue in my 4 visits, 4-1 against Villa.
Dave Williams
80 Posted 07/04/2017 at 18:13:51
We won't be able to wind them up properly until we manage to beat them!
Brent Stephens
81 Posted 07/04/2017 at 18:17:17
Whereabouts in Malaysia, Daniel? I've worked in Kuala Lumpur quite a lot, and Penang a few times.
Brian Williams
82 Posted 07/04/2017 at 18:36:53
Was strolling along the front at New Brighton today and I have to say the stadium could/will dominate the water front in that particular area.
Can't wait!!
Trevor Lynes
83 Posted 07/04/2017 at 20:22:22
Those birds are named Bertie and Bella. I worked on the 9th floor just beneath the towers back in the mid fifties.

Mrs Marty Wilde worked there then before she left to join the Vernons girls. She was Joyce Baker in those days from Huyton. :)

Brings back some memories. :)

Daniel Lim
84 Posted 08/04/2017 at 03:55:00
Where are you now Brent?

I was born and grew up in Petaling Jaya, I assume you know that. I am now residing in Singapore.

What a lovely place that is Penang!

Let me know if you are here.

Peter Barry
85 Posted 08/04/2017 at 05:40:37
Been to Penang many, many times Daniel on Visa runs from Bangkok. Apart from the great Indian street food, I found it to be a pretty boring place.
Laurie Hartley
86 Posted 08/04/2017 at 06:04:50
In my view, this is a huge statement of intent.

As a very knowledgeable and successful business man and friend of mine commented when I told him about this purchase – "Real estate is a long term bet - he must be intending to stick around".

I have got a vivid imagination so– I wouldn't be surprised if the next move in the USM game plan will be the involvement of this guy:-


I reckon we will get our stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock and The Bear's son in law will build Liverpool and Wirral waters in conjunction with Peel while Farhad Moshiri watches and directs proceedings from his new UK office.

There is big money about to be spent on Merseyside. Moshiri and his business contacts are just the sort of people Peel needed to become involved.

About time too. The river Mersey is a wonderful natural resource that has been neglected for far too long. The desolate land on each side of the river represents a huge opportunity for anyone with enough money to develop it. We are linked with someone who has that sort of money and vision.

The young architects at Liverpool Uni have already developed a plan to join the two projects - don't be surprised if the proposed tidal barrage raises its head again.


I am a Birkenhead lad – brought up on the dock road of the West Float. I used to cross the river every day to get to work in Old Hall Street. I love that river – the thought of standing on the deck of the ferry as it crossed the river in full flow still makes what's left of my hair stand on end.

Very exciting times ahead for Evertonians and the people of Merseyside. I'm getting a bit homesick. (Shhhhhh!)

Thomas Lennon
87 Posted 08/04/2017 at 07:59:36
I had a lunch high up in that very nice restaurant in the West tower some years ago. Looking down at a view that stretched from Widnes to Blackpool and out across the smaller hills of Wales (that we cycled up in our Mersey Roads youth) was also a great view at one of the wonders of the world that lines the river.

As kids in Primary school we were taken to the docks for a tour. In the 60s, there was still the last remnants of work going on and I remember the smell of sugar, the train lines, the massive dock gates with water ten feet below on one side and nothing but a hundred foot drop on the other as we walked across the gates. This was where my grandad's spent their days when there was work available.

I thought not much of it then, we didn't know it was a dead way of life.

As I looked down I thought on that I had never seen its match in the 50 years since. People will visit such things of great age and wonder at the minds of men who achieved such feats of engineering 150 years ago. Liverpool has treasures we should be very proud of.

Everton are capitalising on our incredible history and so they should, they are part of it. People make much of Goodison Park and it's history. To become part of a greater history, indeed the thing that drove the history of industrialisation, the working man and thus football itself is a wonderful prospect. There is a vision slowly being revealed to us here. And what a vision.

Laurie Hartley
88 Posted 08/04/2017 at 08:28:24
Great post, Thomas – the docks were indeed a magnificent feat of engineering.

We shouldn't forget the men who provided the muscle either and the conditions they worked in. It's almost seems like sacrilege to fill one of those docks in.

Perhaps our designer will find a way not to do that. We'll be needing a rather large car park.

Andrew Clare
89 Posted 08/04/2017 at 09:03:04
My grandfather was a foreman at the the docks. He would be delighted if he were still alive to know that Everton were building a stadium there.

I do agree though that they are of very major historic importance as Liverpool wouldn't have become the great city it is without them. What a great place to have a stadium on the world famous Liverpool waterfront. I can't wait to see the stadium designs.

Colin Glassar
90 Posted 08/04/2017 at 09:06:08
I've always said the new stadium should incorporate socio-economic aspects of our city's history to make it into a sport and cultural hub.

This is our chance not only to have an iconic stadium but to dominate, for years to come, the city itself.

Jim Lloyd
91 Posted 08/04/2017 at 09:40:52
Mr Moshiri has opened up a fascinating and fabulous potential for the North End Docks and for the streets running off them. The Liver Building is likely to become the Central edifice for the whole of the Liverpool Waterfront and what a waterfront it's likely to become!

Regarding the question of filling in the Dock, it won't be the first as The Liver Building is built on St George's Dock and part of Liverpool 1 is built over the first Commercial dock in the world! If you ever get a chance, go and visit that dock, as they do tours around it. it's the very birthplace of Liverpool. A fabulous place.

I think that the vision for our club is just going to be an amazing part of an amazing story for the North End of our town. I'm sure that the plans being considered will include advice and guidance from English Heritage to show off to the world the proud history of all who contributed to making Liverpool one of the greatest ports in the world.

My father worked in the power station that was in Clarence Dock so I used to go down there a fair bit... and can even remember going on the overhead railway. (Woudn't it be great if a modern equivalent could be built!)

I can remember the liners, The Empress one's especially and the Carinthia, Franconia and loads more, queuing up in the Mersey, taking people for a new life in Canada, Australia and New Zealand for a tenner! The landing stage we had then would knock the current one into a cocked hat. So the ideas are limitless for the history of the area and the people who worked in it, sailed from it and lived there lives by it, to be recorded for posterity, as it should be!

I think now that the liners of today could be docking alongside a brand new landing stage, worthy of the City.

Just a fabulous potential is opening up and... even greater, our club is going to take a proud place right at the heart of it all.

Colin Glassar
92 Posted 08/04/2017 at 09:49:11
Brill post, Jim. We were almost one of those "ten pound pommies" until my mum (luckily/unluckily?) got cold feet a few weeks before departure. Otherwise we'd have sailed out of Liverpool probably never to return.

If you pay close attention you can almost hear the tectonic shifts on Merseyside and that's what's scaring the RS shitless.

Jim Lloyd
93 Posted 08/04/2017 at 09:59:07
Hahaha. I think you're right, there Colin!

Your Mum had a massive decision to make, as did so many people from Liverpool, and beyond. Almost every street round our way, had some family or families going for a new life. I think we took it for normal, all the ollers, bombdies debries where we used to play but in reality it was a harsh life for a lot of people.

I think it was Bootle who had the greatest proportion of houses destroyed or damaged in the whole country and it'll be good to see some real chance of more prosperity coming back to Liverpool.

Colin Glassar
94 Posted 08/04/2017 at 10:07:46
Dad had everything set up Jim, house, job, swimming trunks, sun cream, Barbie grill etc... Then me mum decided she didn't want to move so far away from me grandma so we moved to sunny Kirkby instead!

I can't wait for the stadium to be built as it will kick-start the regeneration of that part of the city which was just derelict and sad to see as it was a constant reminder of the city's demise.

Thomas Lennon
95 Posted 08/04/2017 at 10:16:14
Interesting conversational development. I was bought one of those ancestral genome tests for last Xmas. Turns out my closest relative in that database is a second cousin in Australia – of a name I am unfamiliar with. Presumably one of the emigrants you refer to.
Brent Stephens
96 Posted 08/04/2017 at 10:16:42
Daniel (#84)

I'm living on Merseyside still. Yes, I know about Petaling Jaya but normally stayed around KLCC (Manadarin Oriental or Renaissance). Petaling Street a favourite haunt.

Also like Singapore which I've been to quite a lot, though it always feels a lot more restrictive. Not sure when the next trip out will be.

Martin Nicholls
97 Posted 08/04/2017 at 10:18:07
Some great posts on here this morning lads. I too can remember travelling on the overhead railway and like Colin, could have moved on (albeit to Canada) in the 1950s. I don't know what caused my parents to change their plans as I still have copies of much of the correspondence that passed between my mum and her brother in Toronto planning the move.

Every cloud has a silver lining though – the decision to stay has enabled me to attend well over 1,000 EFC games which I would not otherwise have had the privilege to go to. COYB!!!

Brent Stephens
98 Posted 08/04/2017 at 10:26:27
Jim (#91), I just loved that overhead railway as a kid. What an attraction that would be today.
Colin Glassar
99 Posted 08/04/2017 at 10:51:31
The new ground has to become an integral part of the city so, when people think of Liverpool, they will think of the Cavern, the Beatles, two cathedrals, Chinatown, St George's Hall, and the Mersey stadium etc.

If we do it right, and here I think Boys Pen Bill has a role to play, then we will put ourselves firmly back on the world stage. We won't get another chance.

Jim Lloyd
100 Posted 08/04/2017 at 10:54:09
Aye, we nearly went to Kirkby, Colin, but me Mam said she didn't want to live where there were nott'n but cows! so we stayed in Kikdale near the top of Sandhills. I'd have been made up, as we loved Kirkby Woods as kids. The old farm with the pigsty, is still there we we used to get the bus back.

It is going, I hope, to be a wonderful reconciliation of our history and our future, for both the North End and our Club. Like you, Brent, I loved it. What a view of our docks and our riverfront... stunning, really stunning. Couldn't believe it when they knocked it down. Who knows though, it might rise again.

Whatever the future holds for our club on the pitch, it certainly is looking a great one off it! I agree, Colin, We blew one chance. We cannot let this one pass us by.

All what you've said of the resurgent dockland and the extension of a world class waterfront. We will be an integral part of a great future.

Barb Ellis
101 Posted 08/04/2017 at 11:04:27
Laurie Hartley (#86)

In the early seventies I was loaned out by the GPO to work for a year in the Liver Building on the Inland Revenue switchboard (no boos please). I travelled everyday by ferry across the river, which was considerably cheaper than the train in those days. 10 shillings for a weekly pass. I know what you mean about the ferry ride, I never tired of the view.

One very foggy winter's morning as we were leaving Woodside, there was an almighty bang, with people thrown off their feet. It turned as our our ferry was leaving the landing stage it collided with the incoming ferry. Glad to say nothing too serious,and we continued on our way.

James Hughes
103 Posted 08/04/2017 at 11:16:31
Do they still have the old carriage from the overhead railway at the Liverpool museum? My mum still calls the council all the names under the sun for pulling it down.
Jim Lloyd
104 Posted 08/04/2017 at 11:40:30
Yep, it's still in there, James. With it's super hi-tech seats that could be slid backwards or forwards, as the train changed from north to south and back again.
Dan Egerton
105 Posted 08/04/2017 at 11:43:00
Jim Lloyd (#54) – thanks.
Dan Egerton
106 Posted 08/04/2017 at 12:20:56
To Trevor Lynes (#83),

"I worked on the 9th floor just beneath the towers back in the mid fifties.
Mrs Marty Wilde worked there then before she left to join the Vernons girls. She was Joyce Baker in those days from Huyton. :)"

And went on to raise a daughter that had plenty of hit songs in the 80s under the name Kim Wilde, eg, "Kids in America" 1981.

Later on, as a songwriter and record producer, he was behind a string of 1980s hits for his daughter Kim Wilde.

Terry Underwood
107 Posted 08/04/2017 at 20:14:58
Surely, the RS copyrighting their badge is no big deal. I would assume that all clubs have done the same.

They can no more copyright the actual birds than we can Prince Rupert's Tower. They are just images we choose to use to identify our clubs, The images used are subject to copyright, nothing else.

Martin Nicholls
108 Posted 09/04/2017 at 08:15:58
Barb Ellis (#101) – I too worked for IR in Liver Building (4th floor) but from 1968 to early 1971 when I moved to India Buildings. Like you, I often travelled on the ferry – great way to get to work and it would similarly be a great way to get to the match!

Terry#107 – I think you're right. Their copyright is on the cartoon version displayed on their cheap looking badge.

Dave Abrahams
110 Posted 09/04/2017 at 08:58:39
I worked in the Liver Buildings in the early seventies. I did some real graft doing a repair on the lifts for Otis Elevators!!!!
Martin Nicholls
111 Posted 09/04/2017 at 09:01:57
Dave (#110) – my elder brother, Tommy, worked for Otis in the 70's. Don't suppose to knew him?
Dave Abrahams
112 Posted 09/04/2017 at 09:06:55
Martin (#111), I can't say I did. I worked from The Corn Exchange in Fenwick Street. I left in 1973. If we worked at the same time and he was a Blue like yourself, I'm sure I would have known him.
Martin Nicholls
113 Posted 09/04/2017 at 09:16:48
Dave – I think he spent most of his time at the factory (Kirby?) as an electrical engineer but left in early 70s to become a teacher. I'm afraid he's one of that strange breed who had/has no great interest in football, his main interest being music.

I have another brother who is similar and a third who, whilst being into football, is that most typical of rs who never sets foot inside Anfield but has a 100% record on televised games! Massive contrasts within the same "band of brothers" as I rarely miss a game, home or away!

Tony Abrahams
114 Posted 09/04/2017 at 10:04:08
Martin, the only thing Dave knows about graft is how to spell it, mate. Deffo no health and safety in those days... that lift is probably still out of order now!
Martin Nicholls
115 Posted 09/04/2017 at 10:07:50
Ha ha! Good one Tony!
Laurie Hartley
116 Posted 09/04/2017 at 11:47:11
Barb (#101) – it's a small world. Believe it or not, I was on the ferry the morning of the collision.

Dave and Martin – beat that!

Eugene Ruane
117 Posted 09/04/2017 at 12:00:22
Dave # 110 - Did you work for Otis or was it just a one off?

Good mate of mine, Bernie ('Barney') McKenna worked for them for years.

(he moved to Jersey years ago, still lives there).

John G Davies
118 Posted 09/04/2017 at 12:09:38
My dad worked for Otis.

Not the best of conditions and not the best paid but it had its ups and downs.

Martin Nicholls
119 Posted 09/04/2017 at 12:31:15
Laurie - can't even get close!
Dave Abrahams
120 Posted 09/04/2017 at 14:45:16
Eugene (117), I was there for about four years, I worked on building sites erecting the lifts, a lot of people worked in the factory at Kirkby.

Tony (114) that's the thanks I get for working my fingers to the bone to ring you up and put food on the table, I can hardly type these letters out as I speak, oh and by the way every switch, socket and light fittings on The Royal Hospital passed through my hands, as I was the storekeeper on the sight, not to mention all the cable and wiring, voted Merseysides Storekeeper of the Year more times than I care to remember.

Bill Gall
121 Posted 09/04/2017 at 15:10:53
I worked in Otis Kirkby from 1970-1976 in dept 33 assembling hydraulic buffers, lived in Cherryfield Crescent before moving to Canada.
John G Davies
122 Posted 09/04/2017 at 18:53:08

Your house must have been like Blackpool Illuminations 😀

John G Davies
123 Posted 09/04/2017 at 19:59:02
A few of my mates worked on the St Paul's eye hospital.
The lads called it "A site for sore eyes"
Dave Abrahams
124 Posted 09/04/2017 at 20:10:08
John G (123) I can honestly say I never had sticky fingers with any of the material that was entrusted to me and, in any case, you must know that, as a Catholic, we are not allowed to steal.
John G Davies
125 Posted 09/04/2017 at 20:19:56
As a Catholic were not allowed to do anything enjoyable. :-)
Laurie Hartley
126 Posted 09/04/2017 at 22:27:47
Merseysides Storekeeper of the Year – okay, Dave, you win.

Martin, no shame in coming 2nd and 3rd to that. :)

Brent Stephens
127 Posted 09/04/2017 at 22:32:55
John (#122) "Dave, Your house must have been like Blackpool Illuminations".

I heard the whole street was like that.

Barb Ellis
128 Posted 11/04/2017 at 11:05:15
Laurie (#116),

You're not kidding – what a small world! The boat then just carried on its merry way, Health and Safety would have a fit today.

Barb Ellis
129 Posted 11/04/2017 at 11:31:25
Martin (#108)

When I got the train to James Street on my way to Lancaster House, where the main telephone exchange was situated, I would cut through India Buildings. The arcade was and is absolutely stunning, and I never tired of looking at it.

Colin Glassar
130 Posted 12/04/2017 at 10:50:20
Some promising sounding rumblings coming out of North London.
Martin Nicholls
131 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:05:40
Colin (#130) – I'm also keeping a "watching brief" on the goings-on at the Emirates. Usmanov seems to be getting increasingly frustrated there doesn't he?
Colin Glassar
132 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:10:38
Reading the latest reports from the Emirates, it sounds like Usmanov would have to pay Kroenke about £1bn to buy him out. That's not going to happen.
Dave Abrahams
133 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:14:08
Martin (#131), hopefully the more frustrated he gets, the better for us. When/if he gets here he can get rid of Billy Boy and his mates and we can start afresh, running a top club the way it should have been run for the last 20 years or so.
Dave Abrahams
134 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:16:19
Colin (#132) – It depends on how much he wants to take over Arsenal.
Tony Abrahams
135 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:18:56
Brent, he used to be on the lecky, by telling us it was better using candles!
Tony Abrahams
136 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:23:48
Usmanov, owns 30% of the shares already Colin, so it would cost him just over £700 Million, to purchase the rest of the them. Seems like he's a big Arsenal fan this Alexander, so I hope the whispers coming out of Merseyside, aren't being created by the Chinese!
Colin Glassar
137 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:25:45
Dave, it's more a case of Kroenke willing to let go of his cash cow. His initial investment, when he bought out Danny Fizman and Lady whatsherface, has increased by £300m and he shows no sign of selling.

Usmanov is a massive Arsenal fan but he's also a businessman. If he can see a rewarding deal with Everton, I'm sure he'll at least consider it. The USM Finch Farm deal shouldn't be underestimated.

Martin Nicholls
138 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:26:23
My (uninformed!) take on the situation is that Usmanov would be willing to pay the going rate for Kroenke's shareholding IF it was for sale; however, Kroenke is not interested in selling. Arsenal fans seem worried about the reverse happening (ie, Usmanov selling to Kroenke) as that apparently would enable Kroenke to turn Arsenal back into a private company and allow him to "do a Glazer".

I've long held the hope and belief that Usmanov is behind the Moshiri involvement in EFC and will reveal his hand in due course but it remains very much a "watch this space" situation.

Brian Williams
139 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:31:53
Martin. Or Usmanov could "gift" his shares to a family member thus keeping an interest in Arsenal while ploughing billions into us.

Like you, I hope/suspect Usmanov will be involved with us;' if it does happen, it really is happy days!

Colin Glassar
140 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:39:14
Good point, Brian. If Usmanov "gifts" his shares to his kids, he avoids any conflict of interest and no-one can cry foul.
Martin Nicholls
141 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:40:20
Brian (#139) – that thought did cross my mind. As someone with a working knowledge (albeit a bit dated now!) of trusts, there are ways in which he could transfer legal ownership without fully divesting himself of beneficial ownership of the shareholding.

Not sure how this would fit with Premier League / Uefa rules but I've no doubt that a man in Usmanov's position could get round the situation.

Martin Nicholls
142 Posted 12/04/2017 at 11:46:58
ps: Usmanov has no kids of his own but does have an adult stepson. Obviously we don't know how strong that relationship is but, in the circumstances, if he were looking to offload his Arsenal holding to a relative, I'd expect him to go down the trust route rather than making outright gifts.
Brian Williams
143 Posted 12/04/2017 at 12:20:16
I don't care how he does it as long as he DOES!

Can you imagine how things might be if it ever happened? Talk about dreams coming true!

Laurie Hartley
144 Posted 13/04/2017 at 10:31:39
Martin (#138) – I'm claiming copyright on these rumours.

See my post 57

I have nicknamed Usmanov the "The Bear" (a term of endearment, Mr Usmanov). Kronke has messed the wrong man about here.

I think the last thing Usmanov will do is sell his shares to Kronke. As you pointed out this would give Kronke a free hand and worst still would be an admission of defeat by Usmanov in the tussle for control of Arsenal.

No – He doesn't need the money and will keep the investment in his family and effectively block Kronke from getting complete control of Arsenal.

In the meantime he WILL find a way of backing Farhad Moshiri at Everton.

Put yourself in Kronke shoes – how would you like that?

We are heading for the big time again.

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