Dowell earns rave reviews on Forest debut

That's a link to McGeadys Twitter reviews last season.. Just saying like.

We all thought Garbutt had it.. then he couldn't cut it with Leeds. Maybe Koeman knows best. I think this loan deal will be the making of him and he'll come back to us a more hardened, seasoned player.

But I agree with you that this loan will make the kid. Very happy for him and for us.

'although I must say that not all of us felt Garbutt "had it". Personally I could never see anything but a left foot'.

Did you not follow Dick Brady's scouting reports?

A season at Blackpool, where he also earned rave reviews, seemed to knock off the rough edges.

Even when he returned , he was far from the finished product and was played on the wing, more than as a right back, at first, on the grounds that he "couldn't" defend.

Now, of course, he is established as a firm favourite with most fans, but it could all have been so different had he not had that season in the Championship.

Hopefully, this season will have the same effect for Kieran and he will return a better and more rounded player.

As Ajay @16 says, based on current values in the transfer market, we presently have potential first team loanees out that, in the future, could cost anything up to 𧶀 million, or more, if we had to buy them in.

That is a substantial chunk of Bramley Moor paid for on saved transfer fees. After all, on current quoted values, Tom Davies, has surely already saved us 㿞 million.

Again, as Ajay says, "The future looks bright and blue!"

Imagine winning the World Cup and then coming back to your club to find yourself in a bit of a limbo? This needs sorting out because if he's not ready for our first team, (I think he at least deserves a chance, especially as a wingback) then the kid has got to go out and play.

Well done Dowell lad, I'm glad you're getting a chance to go and really learn your trade, and I can imagine you must be feeling absolutely great after the summer you have just had... I hope you keep it up and come back to Everton a much more complete player.

Plus performing in the Championship doesn't mean you're guaranteed to be a success in the Premier League. Look at Patrick Bamford when he went on loan to Boro from Chelsea. He was one of the best players in the Championship but has struggled to reach those heights in the Premier League.

Give Dowell time. This is a good move for him and will help make him the player we all hope he'll be.

The edge of the abyss, has surely arrived anyway? And although we all want our club to spend money and do well, the older I get the harder I find it to get excited.

That's why I'm sure there is such a big clamour for Kenny to be given a go because he's a scouse kid who lives 5 minutes walk from Goodison, so will give us his heart and his soul. If he's not worth a chance at 20 years of age, then no wonder football is changing for the worse...

Regarding Kenny, ideally a season at a good Championship team would be the way to go but as we have no natural cover at right back I think we have to keep him here. Martina showed in the one game against the Slovakians at Goodison that he is not the part.

Dowell doing well on loan means it was a good decision to send him out, not a bad one.

Good luck to Kieran. I'll be following Forest closely this season. It is a good decision to loan him out and forest are a good club.

To get a game in a very strong part of our side (displacing 㿅m and 㿞m players) is too big an ask. A season on loan to show he can do it is better.

Incidentally regarding Dowell, why don't we give a 2-week notice arrangement with these loans? If we have an injury crisis or the player is ripping up trees, it's ridiculous that we have no say in taking him back. It's just lazy on our part to say "Okay Kieran, see you in 12 months." Isn't this Big Joe's job?

He should have bought: Keane, Pickford, Onyekuru (one for the future) and made signing two top end strikers and a left back his priority. Did we really need Klaassen, Rooney, Sigurdsson, Martina?

I just hope has a former European Cup winner and Barcelona legend he has got a better grasp of Everton's requirements than me 😉.

I'm pretty sure we can all reel off players who have come off the bench once and looked good, only to prove average over time.

I want the kid to go out on loan, do really well and come back with evidence that he is a top player in the making, because until now all anecdotal evidence from coaches is that he is talented but drifts out of games to easily.

Paul (#13), nah... just a lot of ecstatic reviews from him ("magical left foot") when Garbutt filled in for Baines in 2015.

You know, if Giroud won't come, maybe we should put in a bid for McAleny.

Lots of clubs to follow this season if you're inclined. If you're not, keeping an eye out for Sunderland could be a minimum.

Great shout on McAleny, I've heard he has friends and family in the area.

Both Calvert-Lewin and Dowell played together in the Under-23s and in the under 20 World Cup winning team , now people say Calvert-Lewin is a bit further ahead in his development maybe so but for me Dowell is clearly the more naturally gifted footballer and getting back to the first team we currently have Mirallas who is right footed playing on the left side.

Surely Dowell would be ideal for that position off the bench?

However, if you have watched Calvert-Lewin since he came, only from the start of last season by the way, you can see how he has worked hard at improving his game. He's been played out of position, maybe to improve his all round game, but got on with it put a lot of effort into his game.

He wants to succeed and I can see him getting better and better. His goal the other night isn't influencing my opinion of him. I've watched him improve and it looks like he is listening to his coaches, I always tell young players "Your ears are the most important thing during coaching sessions, listen and you can and should learn."

Kieran Dowell, I've watched him since he was 16, in Everton teams, could always make you sit up and take notice, his skill is outstanding, he has, again, always made you want to scream in frustration by disappearing from the game, lack of effort in going to try and win the ball back when he loses it. I have pointed this out since I first saw him but he hasn't changed, this is his big chance at Forest, but he has to get more involved and more consistent.

Sorry for going on but I am honestly trying to help the lad with constructive criticism, really hope he makes it, especially with Everton, just wish he had Kenny and Liam Walsh's heart, what a player he would be, but nobody is that good.

I've already noted a change in posters tone on here in the last week or so, the gushing prose of many giving way to some disgruntled musings from Koeman acolytes. Christ knows what the posts will be like after five games!

And for those who accuse myself and others of being negative cynics I would opine that the complete opposite applies: I want to see young players being given a chance, I want to see Everton play attacking progressive football, some would call this romantic and unrealistic but I go the match to be entertained.

Of course I want to win things but adopting the sterile football delivered by Koeman isn't going to deliver this. To my way of thinking he is a bigger exponent of bullshit than Martinez, as Koeman never takes personal responsibility

Another thing, beyond dispute, is that he's about to turn 20 and pop-sickle sticks have more muscular definition. And just a bit less pace or quickness than our Kieran. He's beating no Premier League defender, one-on-one.

This kid we need in the Club? Spare me.

God bless him and good luck. He does have ball skills and shooting ability... So did Bily.

Did you watch the Under-23s last year? I suggest you have a look at some of his goals and assists. Perhaps you want him to run around like a headless chicken, like the majority of midfielders we have

You are correct, he is exciting to watch when he gets the ball, it's what he does or doesn't do when he hasn't got the ball. It's not about being a headless chicken it's about doing something to help the team, Kieran does practically nothing and watches the game go by.

In saying that, I'm considering going to Goodison today, even though I hate pre-season friendlies, firstly because I expect Jonjoe Kenny, to be given a chance, and secondly because I want to watch us closely, to see if I can discern (㿀 Grand) some kind of style.

Yes, the defensive side of his play isn't his strength. The same could be said of Le Tissier, Ozil, Sheedy and many other flair players. I mention those 3 because Kieran reminds me a little of all 3 in different ways.

All those 3 also went missing as you put it on occasions-that's what you get with flair players. But what you also get is match winning ability.

I know how highly you rate Walshy and Jonjoe as I do but you need a balance of different styles of players in the team. You wouldn't want 10 Peter Reids and nor would you want 10 Kevin Sheedys.

I've been watching Kieran's age group in the academy since he was 12 as I am a relative of a player and he has always been the most talented player in that group. I went to the Forest game on Friday as I happened to be in the area and believe me he was outstanding and the Forest fans can't believe how lucky they are to have him.

I think we therefore need to keep things in perspective. We have some talented youngsters, Dowell included, but the law of averages says that it is likely only one, maybe two will actually become regulars. A spell at a decent Championship side will help determine whether Dowell is one of them.

Yes, fair enough John, you have seen him longer than me so your opinion is valid, John, I have not only pointed out where I think he is lacking. I have also pointed out how skillful he is with the ball, dribbling, great at free kicks, corner kicks putting great passes to leave strikers with one on ones.

I haven't neglected any of his good points but not to point out how poor he is in tackling, tracking back and generally not helping the team out when the opposition have the ball will not help Kieran, who I hope has a great career, hopefully with the Blues.

I have got admit I would sooner have a player, in midfield, like Peter Reid or Liam Walsh than Kevin Sheedy or Kieran Dowell.

What I do know is that Koeman is far too risk averse a manager to trust the youngsters so long as he has other options. Moyes Mk 2 in this regard.

Even worse, he is a stubborn, arrogant and unapproachable manager who will avoid if at all possible being proved wrong in his aversion to youth. Hence the next to zero prospects of Kenny being in line for the right-back berth.

His stubbornness on this particular issue has apparently become heightened in the face of the very clear rank and file support for the lad to be given a chance.