Barkley and Coleman in Europa League Squad

No confirmation of this Europa League squad list on the Everton website; I presume the Mirror got it from Uefa?

There is exactly 4 academy players in that list. Probably us being safe in case Rooney does not count as one having left and come back. Ross Barkley, Tom Davies, Callum Connolly and Jonjoe Kenny.

Mason Holgate and Dominic Calvert Lewin do not count as they have not done 3 complete years at Everton, under the age of 21.

A “club-trained player” is defined as a player who, between the age of 15 and 21, irrespective of their age or nationality, has been registered with their current club for a period, continuous or non-continuous, of three seasons or of 36 months between the ages of 15 and 21

Or have I got it wrong somewhere?

Rooney is categorised in the game as Home Grown at Everton. It doesn't matter that he went away to Man Utd and came back as far as the regulation is concerned. The game is very accurate on regulations like this.

The key point is whether a player was trained at a club for 3 years between the age of 15 and 21. Rooney born October 1985 left Everton in August 2004, 3 months short of his 19th birthday.

The Callum Connolly inclusion is strange as he is on loan to Ipswich until January at least.

Well... not poor, but you know what I mean.

Steve, agree re Liam Walsh. Hope he can do well at Birmingham City.

However, I've lamented elsewhere the failure to get another striker so that's where the 4-6-0 joke comes in! :-)

Why is Bolasie not on there? Makes no sense to me at all. Unless there is no way he will be fit in time to play any part before the end of the year?

Or perhaps Koeman is just being stubborn, which would be ridiculous given the lack of strikers.

I know Garbutt didn't have the most successful time out on loan but he's about the best we've got as cover and he did do well a couple of years ago in Europa League.

I don't know who plays left back other than Martina if Baines gets injured, and he's another right footer so we'll have him cutting in and the LM/LW cutting in!

Hard to believe we would shell out money just to carry on ruining a career. If we did, I would be appalled.

To be ostracised just for having no first touch is very extreme and we have had plenty of players over the years who were worse than him but survived to stay at Goodison Park for a number of years. It just doesn't smell right!

The iffy reason that it was down to agent's fees stinks. A third party to blame. Even if true, swallow it and move on. Absolutely no reason not to sell of he's been left out of a squad. All Everton are doing is degrading the player's value and cutting their own nose off.

Again, I ask why this story, a peculiarly negative one, is met by the club with a stonewall of silence.

A communications officer is rightly needed especially when our manager is neither elegant in English and is as blunt as a hammer too.

Slick and progressive, Everton are not in the transfer market.

It's strange that, after 50 games of the ugly stuff, people are still calling for more time for Koeman. What a pity he burned all bridges with Niasse by unceremoniously cutting him adrift before he had seen him play a competitive game.

You've just gone on the Baines thread bleating because I didn't mention him???

The conversation here has gone around to talking about Niasse and his absence. The point is a valid one. If you can counter it, then do so.

Bleating about a point because you don't like it and don't have a counter argument? ... now that really is boring.

Given what immediately happened re playing him after we'd signed him it seems Martinez wasn't involved in signing him.

I say this because clearly Martinez wasn't averse to selecting and playing wankers at all, but the only reason given for not playing Niasse was an alleged wrist injury, and serious one given how long it persisted.

And then Hull stepped in, for five months and 17 games during which he gizzes all of four goals in a failed effort to prevent their relegation, and then comes back to us, allegedly on ٠.5 million a year for another three years according anyone with a similar affinity to him, still full of what it takes to spurt us into better than the Europa qualification we achieved without him.

You couldn't make it up, and for the ٤million a year we're allegedly paying Koeman, we shouldn't have to.

And that ain't Koeman's fault, by the way.

Interesting reading.. and yeah, I don't think Darren rates our manager that much.

You will now have recognised I don't post on over 80% of the threads here – laying bare your claim that I turn every thread into a Koeman-bashing thread.

The search button which I have just tried for the first time myself (I didn't realise it works for names) is indeed very revealing, but can only assume anyone who needs to do it about me is new to this parish.

It reveals all sorts of things, the most interesting to me is how many people simply will not hear a single word against the manager, how seldom they counter a point other than to try to shout it down (see post 35). Hell, I've just seen one guy admit he missed a game then decide he wanted to join the fun of the thread and claim he saw it.

There is no doubt that when I DO post, it is nearly always related to the manager... but their are reasons for that and although the ugliness of our football is the primary one. It most definitely isn't the only one.

I said earlier that I believe some people will go to extraordinary lengths to deny criticism of our manager. They will blame everything from the wealth and strengths of other clubs to the "fact" that our players are "wankers", "thick", "liars", "greedy", "crap"... No one is off limits.

Go to the Barkley medical thread. A prime example. Barkley would have to be about eighty seven to be guilty of half the things he's accused of. Some of the claims on that thread came straight from the school yard, but for some, It's far easier to make up shit about the kid than admit the manager made a Grade A twat of himself from day one of this saga.

If ever I tell an untruth about Koeman, something which is factually wrong, I want somebody to point it out to me and I would have no problem retracting and apologising. However, people whining simply because the points are raised or who's best defence is to wait for a typo, spelling mistake or to argue a point that was never raised don't interest me and they wont deter me.

This is my club, I want to be proud of the way we play, not ashamed and I make no secret of, or apologies for the fact that I want the guy responsible to be gone.

Had a go at that.
Very interesting results.