Ronald Koeman has given his first interview since losing his job at Everton where he admits that he knew his neck was in the proverbial noose after the home defeat to Lyon.
The 54-year-old's tenure at Goodison Park came to an end on Monday when the Blues lost to Arsenal the previous day, their seventh defeat in 11 games in all competitions that had left the club in the relegation zone in the Premier League and one foot out of the Europa League.
Speaking to VI Magazine in his native Netherlands, as serialised by The Mirror, Koeman says that he feared for the season once he saw the early games the FA's fixture computer threw up for the Blues and then when Olivier Giroud decided against joining the club in late August.
He says that he “had Giroud in the building … but at the very last moment he decided that he'd rather live in London and stay at Arsenal. That was really hard to swallow. You tell me where you can get a better striker?”
“Lukaku was so important for us, not just because of his goals. He had a certain way of playing as a striker — strong. If things were not going well in a game, if we could not play the way we were used to, there was always the option to use the long ball towards him.
“All of a sudden, we were missing such a player.”
Koeman says he knew losing to Lyon had put him in a highly vulnerable position but he wondered after the Arsenal defeat whether he would get at least until the international break to prove he could turn things around.
He acknowledged that he felt that Farhad Moshiri and the Board of Directors were behind him to the end but that they felt compelled to make a decision to appease the fans by sacking him when they did.
“Last Thursday, after our defeat to Lyon in the Europa League, I knew it was crisis time,” Koeman continued. “I am not daft, I know how the football world operates. I could figure out how things could go.
“At some stage in football, people are left with unavoidable decisions. Even though they were right behind me, there is such a thing as a decision for the eye of the public.
“When we had to face Burnley at home, after a poor start, everyone expected an Everton victory. We lost 1-0. That is the Premier League for you.
“The strength of all the clubs in the Premier League makes it really difficult to climb out of a crisis, once you land in it.
“I have been racking my brain. Sometimes in football you just can't get a grip on something. I was not doing anything different from what I have been doing in all the years before as a coach.
“During my last season as a manager of Feyenoord, we had a similar awkward period, where we lost the chance to become champions.
“I woke the team up with a different tactical formation, I changed to 5-3-2 and we won seven of our last eight games and qualified for the Champions League. The tactical change woke-up the players.
“That is what you need in tough times, players staying close with the manager. You must not lose them and I always make sure I keep the squad together and keep the right connection with them.
“If I look at the intensity of our training sessions (at Everton), I had no fear at all that I would lose my grip on the players. But at some stage you do need to get something in return from them on the pitch in the shape of a good victory.
“When that does not happen, you know as a manager that your job will depend on the verdict of those above you.''
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1 Posted 26/10/2017 at 06:56:34
'Kinel. I think the 2nd half performance against Chelsea says otherwise !
2 Posted 26/10/2017 at 06:59:55
3 Posted 26/10/2017 at 07:20:27
4 Posted 26/10/2017 at 07:25:56
5 Posted 26/10/2017 at 07:33:04
Clearly not able to learn from your own mistakes then, Ron? What a horrible interview to read. Can't stand the man. Like the only reason he went on Monday was a supportive board bowing to pressure from the fans.
Sudden loss of Lukaku? -
"...No fear I would lose my grip of the players"? -
"... I keep the squad together and make the right connection with them"?
Blah - Blah
Fuck right off Ronald.
I just want to forget about him now and hope the damage of his tenure is reversible. Judging from last night at Stamford Bridge, with the right person (Unsworth) it clearly is. But it will take hard work to get there, more than a good 45mins in the Carabao, but the signs are good at last.
7 Posted 26/10/2017 at 08:22:49
8 Posted 26/10/2017 at 08:22:50
It's unlikely that was Koemans strategy.
Amateur hour and he shouldn't be the only one to fall on their sword.
9 Posted 26/10/2017 at 09:00:55
10 Posted 26/10/2017 at 09:01:46
Players in wrong positions.
Buying tooooo many of the same players for loads of money.
Saying you had no creative players when you just bought some.
Playing with no passion.
Shipping 5,3,4 goals a game. Fair enough you cant win 3-0 any more but you can at least shut up shop.
Playing 7 defensive players and still shipping 3 goals.
Losing and drawing to Brighton and Burnley.
Playing your new signing when they werent up to speed.
Not looking at younger or older players to create balance.
Not knowing what your best 11 was, in fact I dont think you still know.
Your best bet is back at Mcdonalds where at least the kids still love you.
11 Posted 26/10/2017 at 09:16:58
Be up front, we're signing Olivier Giroud, but if it falls through at the last minute, your our second choice.
As Ronnie said where would you ever find a better striker than Giroud ?
I bet he got a fair wedge for the article too. Isnt there something about not profiting from a crime ?
Anyway he was a clueless dick. Good riddance. Not even as worthy as Mike Walker or Martinez.
12 Posted 26/10/2017 at 09:22:47
Koeman clears thinks otherwise
13 Posted 26/10/2017 at 09:55:12
14 Posted 26/10/2017 at 09:55:48
Still in denial. My guess is Moshiri and the Board saw what the fans saw and wanted exactly what the fans wanted.
"Even though they were right behind me, there is such a thing as a decision for the eye of the public".
15 Posted 26/10/2017 at 09:58:24
16 Posted 26/10/2017 at 10:13:46
You never got us, we never warmed to you.. bye now and stop talking about us. Move on, we have.
17 Posted 26/10/2017 at 10:17:06
If I hated playing wide, then when I played inside, I really hated getting pulled wide, and always found this the hardest thing to do, which is obviously what was happening to Koemans players with the system he continued to play?
Hes gone because he never tried hard enough, and tried to change a squad instead of trying to change himself?
19 Posted 26/10/2017 at 10:34:44
It's like two different narratives Lukaku.. he's shit - he's a bully. He leaves Everton, now he's the best thing since sliced bread. RK - he has to go. Now, 'Everton should not have sacked him yet.' About Lukaku - since his signing at Man U - now it's more pro Everton, 'oh, yes, they had to let him go.'
The propaganda is like 'commercial'...the biggest successful teams = controlled sports/ tv/ radio media. It's just shocking actually.
20 Posted 26/10/2017 at 10:38:59
Tactically inept, unable to decide on his best team and blaming it on not getting a target man.
I think its a blessing in disguise that we did not get the striker, as it would have prelonged the misery...
We move on, and hopefully quicker than Koemans teams !
21 Posted 26/10/2017 at 10:43:12
22 Posted 26/10/2017 at 11:23:18
There are very few gentlemen left in this game so a gentlemen's agreement shouldn't exist, if there ever was one.
Professionalism has to start at the very top and as yet we don't have that, and haven't had for many years.
23 Posted 26/10/2017 at 11:25:34
24 Posted 26/10/2017 at 11:37:34
26 Posted 26/10/2017 at 11:43:47
There appears to be not a hint of it in anything that Ronald says. His apparent contemptuous treatment of the club, its history and its remarkable fan base also seems to come through. I'm left with the sense that he feels we are a baying mob of plebs lacking the wit to appreciate how things really are.
It's very clear now that the cultural fit between Koeman and EFC was completely wrong on all fronts. Let all parties learn from this and move on. Plenty of time to worship at the altar of the Nou Camp now Ronald. You just might have to keep paying for your own tickets for the time being, most likely forever.
27 Posted 26/10/2017 at 11:45:26
On the flip side I wouldnt want to be Klaassen or Martina right now. Klaassen at least has heart, it will be interesting to see how he reacts.
28 Posted 26/10/2017 at 11:47:15
The interesting bit for me is the reminder of the influence that the fans have. We'd do well to remember that.
29 Posted 26/10/2017 at 11:54:48
I'm tired of this Giroud debate now - I would have liked him and said so months ago but we must and can actually look forward now, and hope for better things to come.
What's the latest on the striker we do have - Onyekuru? (with apologies if the spellings off)
30 Posted 26/10/2017 at 11:59:39
31 Posted 26/10/2017 at 12:10:43
How about one that you thought was good enough? but that's the thing about Koeman, he didn't seem to know much about players in general.
A lot of the players brought in were established Premier League players who came with a ridiculous price tag. He didn't seem to know the world market. Sometimes I thought it suited him not to so that he could avoid responsibility if things went wrong.
I'm just relieved he's gone. If he had his way he would've spent a lot more money and we would've ended up with one of the most expensive, average bunch of headless grafters ever assembled with a resale value being a tenth of the purchase price.
32 Posted 26/10/2017 at 12:15:41
I am sure there are lots of lessons to learn and more importantly, not to repeat.
33 Posted 26/10/2017 at 12:18:32
Obviously RK never was.
Slight flaw in his 'logic'.
34 Posted 26/10/2017 at 12:31:35
35 Posted 26/10/2017 at 12:37:32
The only quite disappointment with Unsy was that he brought Niasse on too late - even though without Niasse it's highly unlikely the Everton Unders would be as successful as they were. One thing about Niasse he does not usually miss goals. As much as I like Rooney, Lookman, DCL - these do miss many chances to score.
If Unsy could integrate Niasse in the right position with the right support, Niasse has scoring potential at least in the final third (say no later than 30 mins to end of match). The odds of him scoring in a period of less than 30 mins to go means there is less opportunity for him to score. This is just not rocket science!
**Caveat: Niasse could be brought on earlier (than final third) But he needs the right support so that he can score.** Except for these suitable adjustments, I can't see Niasse being effective for Everton. Unsy should know better! I hope he does this in the Premier League.
36 Posted 26/10/2017 at 12:42:49
37 Posted 26/10/2017 at 12:46:13
He wouldn't of brought any pace to the team which we were desperate for.
It's ok playing in a team with Sanchez and Ozil banging in the crosses for you, in our team I think he would of been isolated.
38 Posted 26/10/2017 at 13:00:02
39 Posted 26/10/2017 at 13:07:07
Koeman has to be seen to be saying these things. Most of them are inaccurate and zero acceptance of blame apportion to himself.
It'll be very interesting to see how the players now perform in the premiership under Unsworth. Get ready for the "Unsworth got the easier games" excuse.
40 Posted 26/10/2017 at 13:21:00
However, when is Walsh going to be held to account?
He may have made some good signings for the future, but a striker was always going to be a priority when it was known that Rom was on his way.
When was that Jan/Feb this year, if not earlier. Speaks volumes about how we conduct business.
Girouds transfer fell through on the last day of the window. So whats Walsh been doing for at least 8 months???
41 Posted 26/10/2017 at 13:32:32
It is only the damage to his reputation that he is now concerned about. It's absolutely win-win for him though, as he's rightly stated, the club never replaced Lukaku. Who was at fault? We will never know. This one glaring fuck up has covered a multitude of other sins, which we all witnessed unfolding week by week.
The team had absolutely no tactical identity whatsoever, and with the cobbled together nature of our signings, we are fully dependent on Bolasie and Coleman, plus a few of the kids saving our skins. Let's hope their recoveries are going well.
42 Posted 26/10/2017 at 13:58:39
According to Soccernet Ronnie has told a Dutch magazine that Ronnie had Olivier Giroud in the building. I wonder if that was late in the afternoon of the deadline day?
Also, Lukaku was vitally important to us because "if things were not going to plan in the game, we could loft the ball upfield to him"
Total football it ain't.
43 Posted 26/10/2017 at 14:08:22
At the moment only Sandro and Klaassen have seemed in difficulty to me. The rest of the signings have had encouraging moments, but not enough of them. Sandro would obviously benefit from having had that missing centre-forward alongside him but Klaassen might just turn out to be the Dutch Kroldrup I suppose. It happens, to all clubs occasionally, but in terms of recovering money him and Barkley seem the most likely two to go as far as I'm concerned.
Whoever's made manager the need to sign a proper forward is paramount on every level, no matter what it takes.
44 Posted 26/10/2017 at 14:19:17
45 Posted 26/10/2017 at 14:38:07
One target only and if he can't get the player then he can't be arsed to find an alternative or make do and mend. The mess he has made of this team and the money he has wasted makes him a strong contender for the worst manager we have ever had.
46 Posted 26/10/2017 at 16:06:19
Interview given to Dutch press.
Koeman strolls into the Holland national job with his reputation in tact.
47 Posted 26/10/2017 at 16:19:03
48 Posted 26/10/2017 at 16:55:44
49 Posted 26/10/2017 at 17:01:57
50 Posted 26/10/2017 at 17:03:15
51 Posted 26/10/2017 at 17:16:05
The interview conducted by a dutch magazine for his own ego and just a mouth piece for him to spout to his next victim how horrible Everton were to him.
His words offend everyone at the club, from top to bottom.
I cannot wait for the day he brings a team to Goodison, and it will come, that day will be fun.
My last post on the poor fella, hes in the rear view mirror now.
52 Posted 26/10/2017 at 17:40:45
However, after failing to sign him; why did the likes of Mirallas and Lookman hardly get a game when we were crying out for width and pace? Wtf happened with Niasse and Barkley? Why did we sign Sigurdsson when Klaasen was supposed to play in the same position and Rooney was coming back?
Why did we not sign a left sided defender? E.g. if Shaw has fallen out with Mourinho, could we not take him on loan?
RK is/was not to blame for all the above, some real amateur hour stuff as usual. However, its clear to see his man management is not great as he alienated at least 4 members of the senior squad. Thats not going to help you to build a close knit team by any stretch of the imagination.
Hes gone now so we can move on.
Everton have now committed to paying out £20m to two managers relieved of their duties. Given the chance of failure is higher than success can we maybe, just maybe not hand out multi million pound contracts like confetti?
I know the prem is bonkers but there are surely dozens of decent managers who would walk over hot coals to manage Everton for less than £1m/year. We dont need to be handing our £4-6m/ year contracts!
53 Posted 26/10/2017 at 17:50:57
And Koeman wanted us to get into the Champions League. Would we then just have bowed down to the likes of Barcelona or PSG. All just pointless nonsense from a pointless manager. We can all pick holes in everything that he has said. Burnley and Brighton .were they on the difficult to beat list?
54 Posted 26/10/2017 at 18:49:47
Can I ask those more knowledgeable than I am, how we can win games with a defence that contains Jags,Williams and Baines, all of whom have confessed their inability to play the ball,on the ground,out of defence?
55 Posted 26/10/2017 at 19:00:18
One could see from his body language and also that of the players gave rise for concern from the season's start.
He and his cronies just couldn't raise the belief, spirit or intensity levels in the squad making it one of the worst to watch in the club's history.
Thank God some normality was restored in last night's game which was good to see. We all hope this carries forward to the Leicester game although they are still offensively challenged.
56 Posted 26/10/2017 at 19:28:02
57 Posted 26/10/2017 at 19:46:44
Your final sentence is sadly or so true! One of the frightening things for me is to read in the Echo that Bill K finalised our transfer deals after Walsh & RK had done their stuff - and he's in charge of appointing RK's replacement!
Unsy clearly had an impact in the 2nd half at Chelsea - I wish him well and want him to succeed at Everton. One of his problems is that he's an Evertonian and is in danger of his heart over-ruling his head and being too easily influenced by Bill K & sentimentality - will he be strong enough, for example, to use Rooney (who's been a spent force for 2+ seasons - and therefore not good enough to play in a top 6 team) mainly as an impact sub?
N.B. His slow reaction & consequential poor attempt to score from very close in, and shocking back-pass - just 2 examples from last night.
Under BK's tenure, too much focus has been on basking in our history rather than building our future - BK's a great Evertonian and has given some good service to the club - but needs to be moved on. However, good some of it was, we cannot live in the past.
58 Posted 26/10/2017 at 19:58:54
The early deals: Pickford, Keane and Klaassen. All wrapped up nicely and quickly. Yes we paid over the odds, but we had to, in order to get them in early. They came easy enough as Everton raised the bar on the price and made other suitors look elsewhere. In other words we paid a premium to get them in early.
The Protracted Transfer. Sigurdsson was a similar deal to the above. We tried to pay over the odds to get him in early. Only, this time Swansea raised the price and kept doing so. Eventually we paid over the odds by some way, maybe paying twice as much as we should have done.
The failed transfer. This is the striker. We now know for certain that Giroud was in the building and the deal was complete, and all that was needed was a signature on the contract. We can assume that the deal fell through due to the rumour that Mrs. Giroud was determined to stay in London, to the detriment of her husbands career. We also know from Vlasic that he was refused 19 because Everton told him it was reserved for Costa. Just how close we were to that, we will need to wait for more from Koeman.
Now, if Everton chased Giroud all summer, it was obvious it would go to the end of the window. I'm repeating myself here, but i'll say it again. The top level players do not want to come to Everton. They wait until the last minute to try to find a better club and will only come at the very end. Also, imagine Giroud's agent. I bet he did everything to force that transfer through. Giroud has one move left in him, and this was it. The agent would want the deal to get his payday. The guy will have told Everton everything they wanted to hear. So, can you really blame us for falling for it?
Who else was there? Well we went big for an ambitious Costa deal as well. How close that was, I don't know. But this is Plan A and Plan B. We also know from Koeman that we had a few other targets. Can you imagine us really keeping Plan C on tenterhooks as a backup? He'd tell us where to go. Then imagine Benteke came in for £50m+ maybe as much as £70m as Palace try to fleece us knowing how desperate we are. We'd have nothing left for the January window, moshiri would say he's spent on Benteke, Rooney, and Sandro and we also have Calvert-Lewin. Would he really sanction another deal in January? Would Benteke (assuming he didn't get injured) really be a better option than Calvert-Lewin? Koeman and Walsh thought not.
No one likes what happened in the summer. Giroud played us. I can't see how the club could really have done more. We got the player into the building and he pulled out at the last minute. I doubt we will be so naïve again. It's going to be harder to get a Giroud level signing in in January, unless we pick up, and we pick up fast. We would also need a big name manager.
59 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:01:51
60 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:04:38
61 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:08:22
62 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:08:44
Anyway, as others have pointed out, his presence would have helped, but he'd hardly have been some magical cure-all.
63 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:09:54
When plan A fails, hit it long. £6m a year for that logic.
That's total football folks!!!!
64 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:10:06
Run the Spurs, or the Chelsea or Arsenal game through your mind, nothing in midfield defence all over the place, ever changing players and systems, he became the Donald Trump of football management-same barnet too.
65 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:20:03
Oh I forgot every match this season the display from the team was awful,shearer said on motd Spurs could have scored 7 or more against us at home and Arsenal could quite easily have scored 10 against us .Send him this fact statement to why everybody,fans,media etc.. said he had to go !.
He still got a multi million pound payoff like Martinez for being rubbish (not a bad payday for failure).
66 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:24:14
We knew in January Lukaku was going?? In the summer Lukakus agent said he was 99.9% certain he would sign again but he never did.. Anyway Lukaku could not of gone anywhere unless we released him from his contact.
There was evidence from several clubs in the summer that if you don't have to sell you can't let a player force a sale.Trouble is Everton are not Liverpool or Arsenal.Even mighty Southampton kept hold of there top player from Liverpool..
No one is going anywhere unless the clubs so so.We are skint and sold Lukaku to fund transfer dealings.I personally would of kept hold untill January.If Romalu sulked so be it but we would of received more money for him than we did and wouldn't of ended up with the shite we have now.
Some fans just don't get it
67 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:26:20
68 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:27:54
69 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:30:18
Having failed to deliver on our promise to get top 4, we had to let Lukaku go. There's no way we could have kept him. All we had to do was get the fee we agreed on, which was vastly below what he was worth once Neymar happened.
70 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:34:57
Were about 3 established strikers short and he intended to buy ONE striker
Hes an even bigger idiot than I thought t
71 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:38:15
Moshiri said towards end of last season before the huge price hike that It would take £100 million to buy Lukaku.We sold for£25 million less than that during the early days or the window. Fucking clueless gobshites.
72 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:42:08
Im contradicting myself from previous posts, but maybe Shaw is worth a punt!
73 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:44:43
The deal for Rom was £75m + £15m in add-ons and Rooney who was valued at £10m. So we got £100m really. Pity the deal wasn't done after Naymar went to PSG. We could have asked for another £25m easily.
74 Posted 26/10/2017 at 20:50:41
75 Posted 26/10/2017 at 21:08:26
The deal was done in early July - because MU wanted Rom in time for their summer tour to the USA & because BK was desperate to bring his beloved Wayne, who dumped us 13 years ago, back to EFC & feared if he didn't bow down to the mighty MU that he wouldn't get his "boy" back.
If we decided to sell Rom, the deal should have been done AFTER WE HAD AT LEAST ONE DECENT STRIKER SIGNED UP.
Steve @ 74:-
Remember the "verbal agreement" Bill had with Dan Gosling!!!
You're obviously happy like Bill to brand us as a feeder club to ManUre etc!!!
76 Posted 26/10/2017 at 21:10:33
It is probably a few million for winning the league or champions league, a few hundred thousand for winning the FA Cup and next to nothing for winning the league cup. There might be an add on for the amount of goals he scores?
I know these add on's probably apply for the duration of his contract with United, but equally it could also only apply for the first two or three years. I'm not sure how exactly these add on payments work?
At the moment I can only see any add on payment for the amount of goals he scores, as I can't see United winning the league or champions league this season. Them winning the FA Cup or league cup will not really be beneficial for us.
So it's not really £100M but £85M. We should have demanded United pay £100M up front, or tell them to do one, after all what are we, their feeder club? I still think we should have kept hold of him.
77 Posted 26/10/2017 at 21:24:22
78 Posted 26/10/2017 at 21:52:55
But there's one bit that reinforces to me why he wasn't up to it. He talks about Lukaku being an out ball and that our current forwards want the ball to feet. Errr...during last season so many times I witnessed Lukaku remonstrating because the ball wasn't to his feet and making no effort to go chase down a 50/50. And sure enough if he was alone up front, the ball was gonna come right back at us quickly unless Barkley or Davies carried it to him or kept the ball themselves.
That wasn't what you were missing Ronald. But if that's what you thought, then it is probably best you are not there now to fix the problems.
79 Posted 26/10/2017 at 22:04:04
Incidentally, the final straw for me with Koeman was the realisation that the sale of Lukaku was not the problem. We just stopped creating chances. We were not unlucky, there was no idea that we would start getting the breaks. We simply did not deserve them.
80 Posted 26/10/2017 at 22:35:51
The reality is that the club and Koeman f***ked this up bigtime.. not delivering a centre forward unforgivable. Signing 3 No 10s when we still had Barkley? Unbelievable. (Why didn't BK say no?) No LHS defender?
Who ran the transfer strategy? They need sacking because it probably wasn't Koeman.
Come January I can see Klassen, Morgan offloaded if Unsy stays..
81 Posted 26/10/2017 at 22:42:55
RK on Giroud transfer, I had him in the building?
Come on RK.
Is it me or have I got it wrong. RK is in Portugal, is Giroud in Portugal?
Dont think so!
83 Posted 26/10/2017 at 23:48:43
84 Posted 26/10/2017 at 00:01:47
85 Posted 27/10/2017 at 00:02:35
Perhaps I got it wrong.
More vino please.
Still happy with Unsy at the helm regardless.
86 Posted 27/10/2017 at 00:56:36
87 Posted 27/10/2017 at 02:56:57
Christine - I'm glad he's blamed the supporters. You and many others have been active proponents of him being sacked for quite a while. Take the credit!
Well, 30 more league games left and probably 32 points needed minimum. Good we didn't wait any longer, eh?
88 Posted 27/10/2017 at 08:31:19
89 Posted 27/10/2017 at 11:15:26
90 Posted 27/10/2017 at 12:18:32
Koeman, only signed for three years, and it never looked like he was remotely interested in having such a plan for Everton, so for that reason alone he should never have got the Everton job?
Its easy saying things after they have happened, but without a long-term strategy, then we will never move forward. Hopefully Moshiri, was trying to make a high profile statement, by going after Koeman, and there will be a lot more thought before we make our next appointment?
91 Posted 27/10/2017 at 12:31:06
92 Posted 27/10/2017 at 12:38:43
For gawd's sake don't let Unsy sign anybody then!
93 Posted 27/10/2017 at 14:03:40
Sometimes there is a lot of truth in your posts Phil, and I can just imagine Kenwright, doing his best Ron Moody impersonation, when he sings to the New manager, about reviewing the situation!
94 Posted 27/10/2017 at 14:46:45
Your previous post about koeman I have to agree he just never looked interested in Everton at all, well except on pay day.
In contrast I have Just watched Rhino's presser and he is saying all the right things. When asked about the comments Vlasic had made about not getting the results the performance deserved. He basically said it didn't matter as we didn't get the result and it is now the past.
anyway back to Mr Moody
95 Posted 27/10/2017 at 14:56:50
96 Posted 27/10/2017 at 17:13:41
97 Posted 27/10/2017 at 17:35:57
98 Posted 27/10/2017 at 23:03:35
99 Posted 28/10/2017 at 10:39:14
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