Lyon away leg: Safety advice for fans

Up The Fucking Toffees!

Was it not you that was offended by posters who were critising your opinion of Gueye last week?

You're rapidly turning into ToffeeWeb's very own troll!

Just play the game. These players need as much time on the pitch as possible. And at this point a win is needed just for the moral boost.

so basically, we need Atalanta to beat Lyon, and for us to win our remaining three games. Or for the Cypriots to take points off Atalanta or Lyon and then for us to win our three remaining games. So it is not in our hands.

Edit: which is why you said if they play to form - sorry for the misread.

Defeatist? No a realist.

They're professional footballers, flying first class, staying in the best hotels, being cosseted from start to finish and fitting in 90 minutes of what they are paid a king's ransom to do.

If that makes one or more of them tired, then drop them. Clearly, they're not up to it.

Resultant 'tiredness' is nonsense. They're doing their job and the aim is to win every game - especially right now, when we need to explore any avenue to gain confidence and momentum.

Win tomorrow and we can still go on to qualify from this group.

Treating it with apathy, to allegedly be better placed for a game against Watford on Sunday, is a complete fallacy

Man Utd took it seriously last year and won it.

They also took the League Cup seriously and won that too (which was the reason we're in Europe to begin with - not through any magical powers that Koeman had).

Time we started doing likewise.

If we don't, what are we striving for? To finish in the Europa League places again this season, only to then abdicate as soon as possible because it makes our overpaid, underachieving players 'tired'?

Give me strength...

We are Everton and should play to win every game.

Those fans who are advocating a lack of Europa League commitment are giving ridiculous credence to the cliched reasoning that inadequate managers use as a fall back when they need a ready-made excuse.

How many times can anyone ever remember when 'resting' players has resulted in a wonderful upturn in our fortunes for the following game?

Er, that will be never.

So stop talking like losers. Dispel this ridiculous myth, and let's get back into the habit of winning things!

I'm on the club official day trip which leaves at 7.30 from JLA in the morning. I was very surprised at the time we are scheduled to arrive back to Liverpool, which is 23.15! I've arrived home later from a midweek home match. Ok, I know there's an hour's time difference, but you know what I mean!!

So David is right, no way should any player "be tired" for the game against Watford on Sunday. Watford will probably spend about four hours on their team coach travelling up to Liverpool on Saturday. Do you think their players will be exhausted after "such a long coach journey"?

Let's go out tomorrow night and put on a decent show and hopefully get a win.

We are now playing where you can make up to three subs.

Years ago, you only had the one sub, played on ploughed fields but was nearly always the same starting eleven the next match, none of this squad rotating in them Days.

Add to that players now have better training facilities, a better balanced diet for most players, players are a lot more fitter and in better condition than they were years ago.

There should be no excuse for a professional footballer not to be able play 180 mins a week.

50 grand and upwards for just 3 hours graft, that's if they are not subbed in any of the two games.

Most on here am sure came home from schoolwhen they were younger,

then were out playing football most evenings, sometimes only 8 a side on a full size pitch, yet players who have trained cannot hack 2 games in a week need to man up.

I would like to see us go for it, we need a good performance and hopefully a result to lift confidence. A win in Lyon would do wonders to wipe out any fatigue issues. IMO we simply cannot afford another sloppy display, the only way out of the hole is through hard work starting with the game tomorrow.

DU has been saying we are going there to win it - great to hear, sincerely hope for all of us that we at least perform well.

Everton need the Europa league, it increases our budgets, gives more playing time to fringe and promising players.

To think its a problem ignores the fact the club have not positioned themselves properly to expect, nay demand European football regularly.

Spurs used this competition supremely well to condition and improve younger players, erm Harry Kane.

They are now set up to deal with the rigours of CL and playing twice a week. Its not the competition thats the problem but the club that fails to prepare for it.

Steve - yes!

Not want I want to see, because any traction gained in the game tomorrow is lost by removing the players who were responsible for it.

The players left out don't get any additional benefit from it, its about picking a settled side regardless of age if we are to improve.

Ultimately a shame, but that is a symptom of a club who find themselves deep in the mire.