Unsworth: Late capitulation was unacceptable

Sandro scored his first competitive goal for the club and will benefit enormously confidence-wise. Robles did well after being left out all season. Baningime showed maturity beyond his years, but that was as good as it got. Mirallas flattered to deceive as usual and Ashley Williams gave us a masterclass on how not to defend. Surely he provided proof positive as to why he should never wear the Blue of Everton ever again.

Michael Keane looked every inch a league two defender and worth nowhere near his transfer fee. We had been calling for Vlasic to get on the field but even he looked off the pace and nothing like the player we saw playing for Hajduk Split.

The rest were totally anonymous apart from one good shot from Dave, superbly cleared off the line. Kenny's crosses were over hit every time, and Rooney tried to pull it together but received no response from those around him.

There was no pride in the shirt or determination on display apart from those mentioned at the top of my post. It was painful to see the team I have supported for 59 years play so badly and with so little heart.

This is Koeman's legacy, not David Unsworth's fault at all. The clueless Dutch man has all but destroyed our great club, ably assisted by his team of hangers-on and a woeful attempt at player recruitment by the apparently Teflon coated Steve Walsh who should be sharing equal blame with Koeman in my opinion, for the woeful summer transfer window. Why is he still employed by the club. Don't forget, a couple of weeks ago he was recommending we employ Allardyce and Shakespeare as a management team. That is his level of ambition for the club, nailed to the mast.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. Get rid of the unnecessary Director of Football position and give us a manager with full responsibility for team affairs including transfers. Whoever we approach, particularly if it is a foreign coach, will, I'm sure, not want to be hamstrung by having to go through Walsh every time he wants to sign a player. In that respect, Walsh could prove to be a big stumbling block in any negotiation with prospective managerial prospects.

Time to be brave, Mr. Moshiri. Walsh is the final reminder of Koeman's disastrous reign and should be got rid of now. Give the new manager, whoever he may be, carte blanche to come in and rebuild the team according to his own vision and requirements. Nobody can do that with Walsh overseeing transfer activity. He hasn't exactly covered himself in glory in that department has he?

Rant over, maybe we'll see a backlash on Sunday. I live in hope, as I think most of us are now reduced to. But please, don't pillory David Unsworth. I felt truly sorry for him at the end last night. Not even Mourinho or Conte could have turned Koeman's shambles round in the time he's had available to him. Koeman sapped the confidence and the lifeblood of the players in his time here as I knew he would, but nobody believed me until it was too late. The Dutch vampire has moved on to seek a fresh killing ground, another club to sick the life from a la Everton, Valencia and AZ Alkmar. We desperately need a. Van Helsing to get rid of the last remaining blood sucker lurking behind the scenes.

Suggestions on a copy of Bram Stoker's Dracula please.

Everything he said there is spot on. I'm still behind him 100%

Our defence is shocking, and worst of all is Williams, he should never play again for us. The same could be said for Mirallas and Rooney, they're both finished and proved that last night.

Unsworth has chopped and changed the lineup in every single match, including the defense. His substitutions late in the game were met with horrible results. Klaassen was chasing ghost havign to cover for others lack of positional awareness and the horrible defending of Martina. He's subbed off and we lost the midfield. Mirallas sets up a goal and is immediately withdrawn.

Sorry Unsy, you're part of the problem now. The team has went backward since you took charge. The football is worse. Deflect all you want, but it's your job to make decisions that put the best team out on the pitch.

It can't get any worse than last night.

I really wanted Unsy to do well and get the job but he's shown he's struggling, tactically, at this level and now blaming unnamed players for lacking effort, for me, is not on and is a cowardly move on his part.

I have to agree with David @ 5 too. Unsworth didn't get the subs right. We did lose the midfield, withdrew Mirallas when he was stretching them, introduced DCL which I'm just thankful didn't incur injury because without Niasse for Sunday we will need him then withdrew Kenny our steadiest defender to give Feeney a taste of action in an ill advised back 5.

What a shambles from both management and the players.

Hopefully that will stir Moshiri to appoint a manager asap. I'm just not sure it will be the right manager.

Please get Mancini.

David (#5), I think that you're being a little unfair about Unsworth making changes to the line-up. Every and any manager who would have come in to manage Everton would have spent the first weeks chopping and changing players to see who works and who is up for the fight. He has now done that and in my opinion this was the last game that he could have done it with.

Now Unsworth should have a better idea of the players who truly want to play for Everton and ones who should be playing in the reserves.

if this is the job you so dearly want face up it it and shoulder some of the blame our last manager was ever so good at laying the blame everywhere bar his own door.

The club needs a complete fresh start and if we carry on the way we are it's Championship football that we are destined for not Champions League. Time to face facts and realise that nobody has a divine right to remain in the Premier League, you only have to look at the teams that are now fighting to get out of that "Bear Pit" called the championship and if we do drop can anyone honestly see this current lot having the guts to drag us back out of it!

But all this time Unsworth has had to assess the players and a new manager will need to go through the whole process themselves before bringing in the right players.

Unsworth has added a bit of fight and direction and I'm happy a few of the youngsters have been given a chance.

We now need to stop wasting time and get real. The experiment hasn't worked. Get in a real manager with Premier League experience.

We wasted money on the wrong players and more worryingly the wrong type of player. I don't know who or how but sort that out too.

Just when we get serious money to spend, we blow the fucking lot on over-hyped shite. It could only happen to us.

I know players read these forums... So come on, lads, show us you care and have the bottle for a fight, because at this moment in time we don't think you have. Prove us wrong!!!

Who was supposed to be playing on the left side of midfield, huge gaping holes exposing a poor Martina who was the afraid to get forward?

There's no point in playing Klaassen out of position, it's destroying his confidence.

And the marking at the corners! Amateur mistakes: not having a blue shirt as the first man and Keane dragged out of position easily for the second.

Rooney said afterwards that they are enjoying the training sessions. Well they fucking shouldn't be.

They should be well drilled on positions on set pieces; they were NOT.

Unsworth has to shoulder that responsibility.

It's a roulette spin if he stays in charge in my opinion, could easily go down.

We are full of an ineffective, coasting dross. An amateur set up in every way.

The old guard and systems need flushing out with a Karcher 1000+, or better still a Chines government water cannon, and a professional set-up installed that befits one of the country's great clubs.

The next three games should have been an opportunity to get some points on the board with a settled team and disciplined shape. In ten days time, on current form, we will have blown it.

Moshiri et al at fault for not seeing through Koeman last season, not having a replacement ready to go when they sacked him and giving Unsworth 10+ games to have a play with the squad. Don't even mention strikers.

The results, are there for all to see!

I think that from Sunday, we will see a more settled side, with players in the correct positions, playing to a system that will be applied consistently in subsequent games.

Whatever happens and whoever is manager, the reality is , this is the squad of players we have until January.

The question then becomes, "is there anyone who could do better with this squad than David Unsworth"?

We can speculate, but we will never "know" with any certainty.

Unsworth is right. If I were the manager, I'd rather play one less defender than Williams. He is the most atrocious defender I have ever seen playing for us. And to top it all – he's always throwing his arms up in the air as if he was wronged. His attitude sucks!

Here in South Africa, we have a lovely word for the likes of him – skollie, meaning a crime waiting to happen. How on earth he is so revered playing for Wales is beyond me.

Each and every player that Koeman bought (except Pickford) must go! Yes, that includes Rooney. I'm absolutely horrified that Walsh hasn't been fired with Koeman.

I am starting to feel that Moshiri can take his money and also go through that hole in the wall. He has not once addressed the fans to at least calm us down. Truly, we were better off when we were scraping and scrounging.

Time to fill the spaces in front of Goodison's gates guys. Protest, shout, scream – stay away from matches. Anything to make the hierarchy realise that we will not put up with this. Hit them in the pocket. Always works!

The bit I disagree on is the legacy. This is Martinez/ Kenwright legacy that we are witnessing now. Koeman just carried it on. Martinez destroyed all the team spirit and fight and fitness and willingness to die for the club and it hasn't been fixed since. Kenwright hired the idiot so takes the share of responsibility too.

We should not be vilifying him for his inexperience and expect him to become the next Mourinho, Ferguson or Guardiola overnight. He is showing us small improvements since the Mercenary left and I expect to see more baby steps forward over the upcoming games. I am hoping for 5 or 6 points from Southampton, West Ham and Huddersfield if the players step up (unlike last night).

Unsworth is a decent man manager but inexperienced as a top coach. It may be that he could work well alongside a god fixer although that will be unlikely given they like to bring their own people in but that remains for the future.

Clearly in my view he is not (yet) ready for the long haul but in the meantime, given he's what we've got, stop calling for his head and give him, and the team, as much moral support as we can.

On a different note – I noticed it last night and particularly on Tuesday when the RS played Sevilla, their fans were immense. The visual of that scarf waving and the noise they make is awesome. It would be great if we could raise ourselves to that and turn Goodison Park back into the absolute fucking bear pit it used to be.

Six terrible, disjointed performances (Watford was a lucky win) is his record to date. His team selections, substitutions etc. all smack of youth team football at Sefton Park. Sure our players are not good enough either but Unsworth needs to can all his bullshit now and go back to the Under-23s – or better still if he really wants to be a first team manager – clear off to learn his trade at the sharp end of the Championship.

If this Board give him the manager's post at Everton for one month longer we are doomed, in which case he can get his grounding there after all !!!

Jesus, we are in the shite right now.

I know you don't know her, but just assume she is an average Nan and tell me what score.

Although last night's embarrassing shit show against Atalanta was a dead rubber, we still conceded five goals at fucking home with so called experienced pros in the lineup.

Williams is the worst defender I've seen for us, even worse than fucking Alcaraz and Krøldrup. Robles although deserved to be ahead of Howard is also incredibly shit and was second choice at Wigan. Martina can attack but is clueless in defense but I suppose he was free, Keane is so short on confidence with not having a regular partner in defense but we paid way over the odds for him and he is fucking slow. Klaassen looks like he will join the many other useless but talented Dutch players to have played in the Premier League. Rooney is our best player which says stuff because he can't run and constantly gives away fouls.

There is so much utter shite in the side and with so much chopping and changing, they look even shitter.

I fear for our survival, we are leaking goals at a fucking alarming rate and not scoring which is the two ingredients for relegation. David Unsworth has done the best he can but he isn't good enough. The board need to fucking get their shit together and pay up to get who they want whether it is Silva, Dyche, Simeone, Big Sam and whoever or otherwise it is goodbye to the Top Flight for a long time.

If we stay up a massive clear out needs to happen. Kenwright, Woods, Elstone, Robles, Williams, Martina, Jagielka, Schneiderlin, Besic, Klaassen, Mirallas, McCarthy or Gueye, Garbutt, Stekelenburg need to go. If anyone offers £20m for Sigurdsson we should also listen. Give Seamus Coleman the captaincy with Rooney as deputy and send Lookman and Holgate our on loan.

Starting in January and the summer, a new left back, centre back, midfield general, two pacy and skillful wingers on both sides and two strikers, one number 9 and a creative forward.

Make no mistakes we are the second worse team in England after Sunderland. That's the fucking truth. There is too much a “jobs for the boys” culture at the club along with accepting shithousery and mediocrity which needs to change ASAP.

What has happened to my club, a once great club.

Both manager and players are responsible for the performance on the pitch, with the manager carrying the higher responsibility because he picks the team, organises them, and dictates the tactics. Unsworth is right to criticise players who underperform, but at the same time should be open about admitting mistakes in his management.

He has made some progress in getting the team to fight harder since Koeman left, but that has limits if the organisation and tactics aren't effective. Those limits are showing, and it now appears that he has exhausted what he can do in his capacity as caretaker.

Dave stood there, hands in pockets looking as if he were a sixth official doing nothing, no passion, no advice, no idea. It's a combination of players and manager but David Unsworth is not good enough to manage Everton Football Club.

Oh yes, we know all about our “great” club David, and we also know how you'd give your all and that “you're very thankful for the opportunity”. I really don't want a manager coming in who's very thankful for the opportunity, that's verging on sycophantic.

I want a manager who wants to compete with his peers and believes he's the best manager out there and he wants to show this by beating his competitors' teams. You know the type, ultra competitive personalities with big egos who will never be very thankful to any club.

You're probably a very nice guy David, and I'm not trying to patronise, but I don't think you're anywhere near ready to manager a major club. Your desire to manage our club, although admirable and understandable, is actually aiding the Board's procrastination. It is relieving some of the pressure on the Board to pull their finger out, as your keenness to stay in the running, with the associated support of a significant proportion of the fan base, gives the Board an excuse to delay the appointment of an experienced manager.

It's not difficult to understand who the culprit is.

I still think Unsworth should be given time, considering the alternatives available right now.

Do people really want Big Sam and mediocrity for next 2 or 3 years?

We ended up paying a ridiculous fee for an average player at best. At least 㿀M over the odds. We are a laughing stock and it will continue while that clown is at the helm.

How many have questioned why Mirallas has been left out?

How many have questioned why Sandro hasn't been involved?

How many would be happy if Jags and Baines has played last night and been knackered for the next game?

How many would have been happy with Calvert Lewin starting and potentially injuring himself?

Unsworth put a team out that should have had something to prove. A team of players that should have taken this as their opportunity to say to Unsworth ‘you have been wrong for not picking me, and ‘I deserve to be in the starting XI for the next premier league game.

They didn't, they showed exactly why Unsworth has been right not to pick them and why they'll have to buck up their ideas to be involved in the future.

Unsworth got it spot on last night, put some of the overpaid prima donnas in the team, see how they perform and if they don't show the desire expected to play for this team then tough – you're out again until you show this desire.

Davies, Beni and Kenny showed desire, not many others did.

‘Those who support him, support him in the championship' - would you rather another Koeman or Martinez, someone who's here for the money, spending a fortune on players who see the club as a stepping stone, or players who have reached their peak and are now happy taking the money off their ridiculously well paid contract?

I'd rather get behind Unsworth, watch as the fight and passion return to the team and we get some ugly wins, then watch him build on that.

We're not West Ham – demanding fancy football with no substance, clinging on to bygone days with Trevor Brooking.

We're Everton and we expect 100% commitment, with skill and flair on top. Let Unsworth get the first part right and then add he skill and flair, the results will follow.

Once they've decided who they want they have to go and get them, that can take extensive negotiation and time. Unless of course the appointee is available.

Shortlist of three, Unsy, David and Unsworth?

If and when Unsworth is superseded by a permanent appointment, he will have saved them a lot of time sorting the wheat from the chaff, as they'll be able to inherit this core group of players and build on it.

I just hope that Unsworth/whoever can get sufficient points on the board from these players performances so as to keep us clear of the relegation trap door.

And Davis is an overrated and utter clown of a player: slovenly looking, slovenly playing, a liability every time he's on the pitch, but hey, "he's one of us", so that makes it all okay?

This People's Club derangement syndrome is every bit part of the cancer at the club's core as the rotten mismanagement from the luvvy-buffoon-in-chief has been.

They can take their community work (which is a consolation prize for endless on-field failure) and shove it, along with all the worthless ex-players and the club's self-mocking motto. Thank goodness most people don't speak Latin or the joke would be even more on us than it already is.

"Nos iustus non ipsum bonum"

Translates to 'We're just not very good'.

I remember my language teacher telling my class that a lot.

JW says we are very close to appointing a new manager
It must be Dyche, Silva wont resign, they just can't give it to Unsworth.

Dyche will split opinion , most other options will too. But we should remember we are currently in a catering jar of pickle and Dyche [almost] openly has said he wants the job. That has to count for something!

I'm not excited in any way, but it is a pragmatic choice, he can only improve what we've currently got. I think he is a genuine feller, talks sense and is not in it just for the money.

Over time he could turn us back into a proper football team again.

Moshiri is not the saviour we thought he was. He bought in but didn't take control, instead he left Kenwright in charge. All the old connections need to be rooted out, Kenwright, Ferguson, Rooney. Walsh too has to go. But what are the chances this will happen? Don't expect this mess to get sorted any time soon.

I thought that Watford have told Everton not to make any more approaches for Silva and Everton had agreed to it. I watched the interview with Silva yesterday and he still wont say he will be at Watford after the Newcastle game. I would have thought that Everton and Moshiri would have learned their lesson over thinking something was a done deal look what happened with Giroud. Everton thought the signing was a formality till he changed his mind.

I think that could work out (especially in the case of Dyche for some reason) but usually these guys bring their own entourage, don't they? That was a significant part of the problem with Martinez (Jones didn't get half the stick he deserved), and a fair part the problem with the Mercenary - Koeman.

Pickford
Baines
Jagielka
Feeney
Kenny
Davies
Baningime
Lennon
Lookman
Mirallas
Niasse

With a bench of:

Joel
Holgate (only defender worth putting on the bench out of the rest)
Gueye
Calvert-Lewin
Rooney
Vlasic

To come back from injury:

Coleman
Barkley
Funes Mori
Besic
McCarthy

Have I missed anyone as the rest are not even worth mentioning. That includes our 㿙 mill Sigurdsson.

It's so much about confidence with the sprogs. Just see how Sandro improved once he bagged one.

Schneiderlin
Klaassen
Williams
Sigurdsson
Martina

I think they can all go and ply their trade elsewhere.

I must admit to being very excited when we signed Klaassen and Schneiderlin but they've been a big big disappointment.

Unalduterated???

Depends what you want. Slating a 19-year-old (youngest midfielder to start a game in the Premier League for 2 years running, invited to train with the England squad at 18) and saying he's never going to be anything!! You'd have been great as the Spurs manager when Harry Kane was 19 and out on loan.

If you want a bunch of overpaid players who can't be arsed.. a la Schneiderlin, Klaassen, Williams etc, then that's your choice. They've proved themselves to be exactly what they are.

I want a team who fights for each other and loves the club (that doesn't just mean players brought through the academy – take Cahill for example, or Fat Frank at Chelsea).

If that's unadulterated tripe then we obviously want different things from the club.

On a side point – which parts did you specifically disagree with?

Pickford: a must and only genuine good signing.

Coleman: so sorely missed and can't come back quick enough should be made captain.

Funes Mori: seems to get better each week he is out, looking at our other centre-backs.

Kenny: has got potential, just needs to be a bit calmer when in possession but is promising.

Lennon: I would keep as a squad player, he always gives his best and offers support to full backs, unlike other wingers.

Gueye: not having the best run at the moment but I cannot forget last season and hopefully can regain that form.

Davies: another who is in dreadful form at the moment but patience will hopefully pay off with him.

Baningime: has looked a bright spot and will hopefully get better the more he plays.

Vlasic: started season as our best outfield player but strangely overlooked by Unsworth until last night.

Niasse: another I would keep as a squad player just for the effort he puts in.

Bolasie: he didn't set the world alight last season but oh for a bit of power and pace in the attacking third.

Onyeruku: looks full of promise another with a fair bit of pace.

After that, if anyone else moved on and we got a fair price about it wouldn't bother me. The players I would like in which I think are attainable are as follows.

Tierney (Celtic): a good ball playing left back with tenacious qualities.
Akanje (Swiss): another young decent on ball defender in the Varanne mould.
Zakaria (Swiss): a beast of a specimen in midfield with the look of a young Pogba.
Embolo:(Swiss): pacey and powerful forward

These are just off the top of my head but we need the next raft of signings to have pace and power rather than laborious like previously signed.

Nigel – yes. Sandro, of course. A bit of an enigma, young Sandro.

He has been looking like a puppy legging it around everywhere with little control over its legs. Last night he seemed to change his boots at half time and looked a bit more useful once he got his head straighter (the goal). He seems to be trying too hard and needs to take half a second to think. Was losing a lot of ball last night and spraying it all over the Park end. Whether he can live up to the pre-signature hype (what the fuck was that unveiling video all about?) remains to be seen.

Klaassen, however, I do think might come good. Amongst others, he played one great ball through for one chance last night – I think it was to Rooney who squared it for ????? (someone) – and seems to like a quicker high tempo press. Also has a decent shot on him. Anyway we shall see. So far he has disappointed but I have seen potential.

It really is impossible to judge any of them based on performances this season but the bottom line is they all have more in them than we've seen so far.

Nothing to add to that. You said it all. But who will take notice? I sincerely hope someone in a position of bending the ear of Moshiri does.

Nothing to play for last night except pride. I saw none... none whatsoever. A disgrace and shameful.

As for this Rangnick fella, I'd not heard of him until this week.

This will not be fixed from within; a new manager is 100% essential. But at this moment, we are serious relegation contenders

What on earth did Koeman do here? This is the most dramatic collapse of form and confidence I can remember.

Oh well. It also means I've been able to watch all of it, and every time I think 'It can't get worse than the last match', but by God it can. This team has nothing, no fight, no determination or stamina, no physical presence and no direction in attack. To think now how excited I was this summer; probably a new stadium, nice looking signings, kids from a world cup winning team coming through. Quite rosy.

Unsworth must take a lot of the blame, as it is hard to see what they do in training, but he is badly let down by his senior players, and some of them should never be allowed to wear an Everton shirt again. Williams has turned into a bad joke. Martina is useless against decent opposition, Schneiderlin doesn't look interested. And there are a few more, but those three stand out in my opinion. Klaassen, Sandro – I won't write them off just yet, but it looks obvious that Sandro needs to play with a partner up front, he can't lead the line alone, and that Klaassen desperately needs more games – which we may not have the luxury to give him at the moment.

Who to take over? No idea actually, but Job #1 is to sort out the central defence, #2 is to get some movement and speed on and off the ball and #3 get them fit enough to run for 90 minutes.

Or no, these are 2, 3 and 4. #1 should be to tell Williams to shape up or ship out, to use CM terms.

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

What more does he have to do to prove his incompetence?

What fight?

What passion?

For now, I could see hope if they were even capable of doing the basics right, but that's been too much to ask all season. There is just no coaching, either happening or getting through.

Either get Allardyce in on a short term until end of season contract to give us a fighting chance of staying up, or Dyche on a 3 year deal.

After seeing Martinez and Koeman royally fuck this Club up with the full support of the Worlds Greatest Evertonian, I'd just like to see boring crap football with some sort of result for us at the end of it, just a good chance of keeping out of the relegation spots and a little stability.

If we stay up then let the blood letting commence and ship out the fucking lot of them.

Some players ie top class can adapt if they're willing too but as proven we have had very few of them.

Without a long term strategy and identity we are asking to much from both manager and players to constantly adapt in such a short space of time. The next appointment could prove to be a blueprint of what the owners want. Therefore I'm willing to wait a little longer to get it right.

We no longer have Pulis, Dyche, Sam type players. How long and how much money would it take to change, adapt?

If they took over from Moyes it would have been sensible. Bring in 2 or 3 players and keep it simple.

Martinez was a massive change and seen by the majority as the right way to go playing 'modern' football.
He upped the basic skill and ball playing qualities (possession keep ball) replacing energy and fight (defensive, pragmatic).

Koeman talked about energy, possession, closing players down but it never happened. Can anyone remember a game showing Koeman's style of play? The players brought in (not all his fault) never suited the 'talked about' style. Instead players with vision and passing ability came in without an outlet (no pace, movement or runners) and lacking pace and strength.

Thanks to Martinez we have gifted young players. Look at our young defenders. Comfortable on the ball but take risks and lack basic defensive qualities e.g. strength and positional sense.

We have a mixed bag of players but lack the same key qualities pace and strength. I'm optimistic we have a lot of gifted young players but it's only potential. I believe it's easy to identify what we are missing. 3 quality signings can turn our season around. C.Def, L.Wing/Fwd, Striker.

Get Mancini in and add the missing ingredients in January for a Happy New Year. NSNO

Let's face it we have known it about some of them for a long time and how many chances does the club give them. It sounds like we have a rotten group and they obviously have zero respect for David Unsworth.

Sadly you just know that not a lot is going to change with Kenwright as the main man.

Martina? He's an easy scapegoat, but he's not a left back and he's not in line to start anyway.

Klaassen? He was poor, but not from lack of effort and he was being played out of position. He was also long gone by the time the wheels came off (pretty sure it was still just 1-0 when he was subbed).

Mirallas? He offered the exact same performance he's being giving for years. Hardly revelatory. The only way you'd learn anything from that showing would be if you hadn't watched an Everton match over the past three seasons.

Sandro? While an up-and-down performance on the whole, this was still a highly encouraging showing and he absolutely needs to get a run of games - starting on Sunday.

"Thankfully, there are players to come back into the fold who have shown over the last couple of games that they are not fragile, that they are willing to be courageous and show a work ethic and desire to play for that shirt." Sounds great... until you realize he's just talking about Jagielka, Baines and Lennon. Give me a break.

The senior players at this club are an utter disgrace and their reaction to going a goal down to Atalanta (and pretty much every game) is absolute silence. They are pathetic cowards and Unsworth never stood a cat in hell's chance.

The solution is new manager and new players. It is a source of acute embarrassment that Williams and Co will continue to wear the shirt and take a wage.