Everton 'close' to new managerial appointment

Friday 24 November 2017  425 Comments  [Jump to last]
The Everton board still have a shortlist of three names but a new manager to stabilise the club is imminent according to Farhad Moshiri.

Communicating with Jim White, the club's major shareholder told his preferred mouthpiece that, "the first priority is to stabilise the Club and finalise the appointment of a manager. We are close."

One name could be Andre Villas-Boas whose time in China could be coming to an end. Rumours have linked the Portuguese with a return to the Premier League where he previously managed Tottenham and Chelsea amid reports he could be sacked by Shanghai SIPG if they don't overturn a 1-0 first-leg deficit in the Chinese FA Cup final on Sunday.  

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Mark Tanton
1 Posted 24/11/2017 at 16:49:05
I’m starting to think it will be Silva. He hasn’t committed himself to Watford, Moshiri wants him and has said today he is close to getting the new manager. He was also being uncharacterisically coy about the issue. I think it’s been going on behind the scenes, and the money is nearly agreed.
Tony Twist
2 Posted 24/11/2017 at 16:52:59
Close but not close enough. New manager should have been in weeks ago. Take our breath away and surprise us with a techically astute coach that can lift the gloom from Goodison and make other teams envious. That will be the day! This is Everton after all!
John G Davies
3 Posted 24/11/2017 at 16:58:26
A shortlist of three?

Is Unsy one of the three?
I very much doubt he is but it's not clear.
Hopefully the new manager is in today/tomorrow.
Rhino can select the team in his last game as caretaker and the new regime starts on Monday.

Joe O'Brien
4 Posted 24/11/2017 at 16:59:31
I'm hoping you a right Mark. Heard Bilic name being mentioned today, I hope that goes no further. He looks far from confident at the moment, and a confident manager we undoubtedly need to lift the gloom that Tony has mentioned.
Brian Harrison
5 Posted 24/11/2017 at 16:59:59
I posted on the Pulis thread that like Mark I think Moshiri still wants Silva, I would take him over the other candidates being mentioned. Surely if you are close to appointing a manager why have a shortlist still of 3.

I just hope they are not thinking of going back to Allardyce. If that's your thinking, Farhad, then don't bother attending any home games soon, as I think you would find he wouldn't be the most popular choice. As 80% of the 6,000 that voted on ToffeeWeb didn't want him.

Brendan McLaughlin
7 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:03:56
Probably nothing but Martin O'Neill's odds have shortened considerably: 20/1 a week or so back... now 3/1 second favourite with Skybet!
John Belshaw
8 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:07:10
Still seems very much a case of Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

Who was involved in identifying, signing and selling players over the last 18 months as the whole thing has been an absolute disaster? An amateurly run club from top to bottom.

And is Jim White Everton's Communications Director?

Chad Schofield
9 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:08:55

I suppose they felt they had to say something, but if it's not before Sunday then saying nothing or then would be more useful.

Mike Hughes
11 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:14:25
Knowing our luck, the shortlist will consist of:

1. John Barnes
2. Tony Adams
3. Walter Smith

We're doomed!

Jay Harris
12 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:22:21
I hear Watford have been enquiring about a new manager in Italy so it may well be that Silva has told the Watford board he wants to go.

I see him as another Martinez and not the right man to sort out our defensive problems but we can only hope that anything is better than nothing right now as Unsy is obviously not up to it.

Barry McNally
13 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:22:52
Dave Hockaday has expressed an interest.
Jason Wilkinson
14 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:23:04
Who is our press officer? WTF does he/she do? Because Jim "yellow tie" White seems to be the only news source we get. Everything else is speculation from journos with too much time on their hands.

Farhad. Take Jim's number off speed dial pal and hire a new press officer.

Ian Brandes
15 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:24:55
Sounds like a charlatan. New era, my arse!
Wayne Read
16 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:27:48
I wonder if any of the three names actually know they are on the shortlist...
Tom Bowers
17 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:31:52
The new guy won't achieve anything just yet or will he? You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear which was created by Koeman.

Quite a few of this squad need to be sent packing right now. A new guy may possibly instill better spirit and committment but Unsy seems to have been unable to to achieve this so far so what hope does a new guy have.

First department to address is obviously on the defensive side of things which appears to have been shot to hell. What happened yesterday can be excused a little if if only because the team was a mishmash.

Keane is just as bad as Williams and Martina. Others are making awful mistakes in midfield giving opponents easy access to the back four /or three.< All the players seem mesmerised at times by what's going on around them and nobody seems to be able to play consistently well for ninety minutes.

Everton were for the most part chasing shadows yesterday and it's been most of the same all season.

Gordon Roberts
18 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:35:01
Another example of very poor communications by our club. Do we have a comms department? How refreshing would it be if the club provided a fans/staff briefing to provide us with an appraisal of the current situation.
John G Davies
19 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:36:32
Whoever scouted Keane should get the bullet. A very poor centre half. Maguire was the lad we should have signed.
Jason Broome
20 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:38:31
If it's not Rangnick as first choice then I'm expecting Martin O'Neill accompanied by Roy Keane. I would be disappointed to have Keane at the club.

Rangnick seems to be the friendly faced choice though. I would be happy with his appointment.

Martin Nicholls
21 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:40:50
I've got a horrible feeling of déjà vu! Anyone remember Johnson promising us a "world class manager" then producing Kendall Mark III?
Bobby Mallon
22 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:46:35
I have heard it's Micheal O'Neill – the soon-to-be ex-Northern Ireland boss...
Denver Daniels
23 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:48:37
And the cheque's in the mail. Jokes aside, if this is a new shortlist, are we to assume there was a previous one? And if so, is this the "B" list, as I assume they went for the top targets first?

I guess we can't be accused of rushing this decision.

My take on this is we had a shortlist when Koeman got sacked. We got knocked back by all. Unsworth was given the opportunity to prove he's up to the task and stabilise the team at the least. Things haven't worked out, so we've moved on to the next group.

I think it will be a short term firefighter type in the Fat Sam guise. Right the ship with the remit of maintaining our Premier League status, get a big pay off, move on and a new man comes in for the new season.

Scott Hall
24 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:49:22
The word ‘stabalise’ is very telling here. A manager to stabilise the club. Not a manager to take the club forward, or a manager to shake things up. Just some good old stabilisation.

Don’t let yourself be hopeful. Prepare for absolute mediocrity.

Sam Hoare
25 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:53:16
John G @19, yes, when we got Keane for up to £30m and Leicester City got Maguire for up to £17m, I thought we'd got that a bit wrong, Maguire is maybe not as good in the air but better on the ball and crucially at positioning.

Any time I think about our Summer transfer window my blood boils.

In terms of new manager I'd love it to be Silva. I suspect it will be Dyche, Fonseca or Rangnick. I'm worried it will be Allardyce, Pulis or Bilic.

Steve McNally
26 Posted 24/11/2017 at 17:55:23
I think it's pretty certain to be Silva and negotiations have been protracted which has delayed his unveiling. I just hope this guy can come in and make a difference. He will need to be ruthless to get the squad performing to its maximum and to clear out the dead wood he will inherit from Koeman.

I just hope he can help maintain our Premier League status and build a team good enough to live up to our moto "nil satis nisi optimum".

Denver Daniels
27 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:02:17
Nothing against Silva but I'm quite surprised he's even been in the mix. There's a huge amount of money riding on this decision for Moshiri. I would have thought he'd err on the side of caution. Silva doesn't even have a full season of Premier League management under his belt.

If he's serious about taking the club forward then we need a big name manager with pull.

I think it'll be a Pulis/Fat Sam type to get the train back on the tracks.

Brian Ronson
28 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:03:05
Whoever the new manager, Unsworth is being treated shabbily. He would know if he was on the shortlist if he was. Fancy talking to the media without speaking to David first, as I believe him when he say he doesn't know what's going on. Shame on the Board I say.

Just hope its true that it is"close" because we are undoubtedly heading for relegation at the moment.

Paul Smith
29 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:03:22
Call me cynical but that word stabilise stands out and kicks me in the cocunuts.

Think Silva is most people's choice but don't think he would be coming here to stabilise Everton.

John Smith
30 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:06:11
I've heard announcement will be made during next week.
John Smith
31 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:08:13
Sam (#25).

It's worse than your thought. The amount for Harry McGuire was £12M rising to £17M.

Everton that.

Barry Williams
32 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:09:08
As I said on a previous post, I think Unsworth has been hung out to dry. Moshiri, Kenwright and Walsh have been very quiet. No one from the higher echelons have come out to support him whatsoever. He looks a man alone in his press conferences. Let's say we were 4th, do you think the powers that be would be so invisible?

Whoever comes in, the have a huge job to do and I am not expecting immediate results.

What struck me yesterday was how we can't do the basics. Losing goals to the set pieces like we have cannot be just down to coaching techniques. Defenders and midfielders have spent their careers learning this, these techniques cannot just disappear overnight. Communication is a massive issue that needs addressing. Feeney was more vocal in his 20 minute cameo than the 3 other defenders all game.

Gandalf is needed to sort this out!

Denver Daniels
33 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:09:32
Steve #26, yes whoever it is will have to clear out the dead wood which is more like a forest really. I've never seen so much "new" dead wood. What a complete and utter cock-up. Why is Walsh getting off so easy?

Williams, Keane, Cuco, Schneiderlin... they can all go.

Kim Vivian
34 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:10:05
I really don't know what the point is of making statements, comments and announcements like this if it is true, and through this Jim White bloke too. Either announce it or keep quiet, and save the embarrassment if/when nothing happens. We've heard it before and each time nothing happens we look more and more stupid. Didn't we get exactly this at the end of last week or the week before.

What Moshiri's idea of 'soon' happens to be is anyone's guess but to me it means imminent – not the end of next week or sometime the week after, but now. I hope to have my tea soon, not like in a few days time. Difference is I know it's going to happen – soon.

Just get on with it, or keep us guessing. The anticipation is killing me now this has been said.

And fucking please, PLEASE don't let it be Martin O'Neill... Mugabe's looking for work.

Terence Tyler
36 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:11:37
Martin O'Neill. Odds shortening by the minute, now second favourite. Hope that one does not happen.
Christian Watson
37 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:13:13
Mike Walker is looking for work – just saying like! Seriously though I think it'll be Silva. Aka flavour of the month and still unproven long term in the Premier League.

As Mary Poppins would say, "Que sera, sera, whatever will be, will be..."

Gary Carter
38 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:14:08
Love how everyone is moaning about signing Michael Keane all of a sudden!! Bet they weren't when we signed him, he's a good player, young and English, he's just playing in an under-performing team that's been led by two bloody awful managers!

Another thing that's irking me is this "our squad is rubbish" bullshit; we have an easily top eight squad, it's just a little unbalanced. To suggest a new manager won't be able to come in and change anything is fucking ludicrous – get a grip, people!! If that couldn't happen, we might as well pack it all in and watch egg chasing or something!

Silva... I'm very unsure as to whether he's the man to change anything. His record strongly suggests not and this seems like another really uninspired "flavour of the month" decision like Martinez and Koeman were. They had, as managers, a long history of winning nothing or worse; so does Silva.

What's wrong with Ancelotti, Mancini, or Pellegrini? Proven winners!!!

Jim Lloyd
39 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:17:11

It's as though he's said it just to keep the natives relatively quiet. Don't worry folks, it's all in hand. I just hope it isn't another "Bill and I were trying to clinch a deal right up to the last minute."

As so many have said, we have a publicity department, don't we... Do We?

Denver Daniels
40 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:20:01
Riquelme's been spotted at John Lennon Airport .sorry, couldn't resist ;-)
Steve McNally
41 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:24:07
Denver #33, it's my guess that Koeman over-ruled Walsh when he gave his recommendations which is why he remains at the club. I'm sure if this summers poor signings were bought off the back of Walsh's wishes he'd be up the road. Koeman has turned the club from best of the rest to a complete shambles in record time.
Christian Watson
42 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:25:50
Was Riquelme with Yarmalenko Denver?
Kevin Prytherch
43 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:28:11
I wrote it on another thread somewhere...

If we get a new manager after the Southampton game it will be incredibly harsh on Unsworth.

Out of the 6 games he's had that matter, 5 have been away. The only home game that matters – he's won.

Watch a new manager come in before a reasonably easy run of fixtures and everyone jumping on the ‘I told you so' bandwagon.

If you're going to be fair to Unsworth, give him the next 3 premier league games that include home games to West Ham and Huddersfield. If he screws them up then fair enough, he's not cut out for it.

If we replace him after the Southampton game, we've shit on him and given the new guy a very straightforward introduction.

Unsworth Premier League record:
Played 4
Won 2
Drew 1
Lost 1

Kim Vivian
44 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:28:38
Do we Jim?
Dave Pritchard
45 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:28:51
Yarmalenko Denver, now he sounds like a player. Get him signed to play the No 10 position.
Soren Moyer
46 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:29:10
Just hope its not Pulis ffs!
Terence Tyler
47 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:31:04
Within five minutes of posting that O'Neill was second favourite, he is now the favourite with all bookmakers.
David Barks
48 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:33:58
We’re still paying Martinez, can we draft him back in?
Mark Murphy
49 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:34:26
Wrong, wrong, wrong, Mr Christian!

It was Doris Day who said that, not Mary Poppins!

Colin Glassar
50 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:35:24
You know what? I'm sick of Jim White being our spokesman. Who appointed him and where is our Press Officer?

As for O'Neill, Dyche, Big Sam etc... I don't care unless it's only till the end of the season. We've spent countless millions paying off the last two managers so what's a few million quid more?

Pay them what they want and have the next manager lined up for the summer. It's not rocket science.

Kim Vivian
51 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:35:28
If it's Martin O'Neill, that's me done...

(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
Goodbye cruel world and cheerio
Ta-ra this time I've got to go
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
Goodbye cruel world it's all sewn up
You've got it made I'm out of luck
Alright, Ok lets go,
Alright, Ok I know I'm on my way
Why doesn't someone call me up
The number's in the book
But if I'm going to do this thing
It should be off the hook
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
I don't like it but it's better this way
I can't take it for another day
Oh! I won't make it any other way
Excuse me now I just can't stay
I don't like but it's better this way
I can't take it for another day
Why doesn't someone call me up
The number's in the book
But if I'm going to do this thing
It should be off the hook
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
(What a way to end it all)
Oh! No
(What a way to end it all)
Here I go
(What a way to end it all)
Oh! No

Terence Tyler
53 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:36:12
Need to get serious, men, it looks like O'Neill.
Denver Daniels
54 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:36:14
Steve, I personally think Koeman is a RedShite double agent. How the hell else do you explain such a massive turnaround from a team who sleepwalked to 7th (with basically a Martinez team) to such a shambles in so short a time and after spending at unprecedented levels?

What galls me the most is instead of building on the 7th with a few minor adjustments he proceeded to get the chainsaw out and spend with seeming impunity. Totally opposite to Moyes who seemed to spend like it was his own money.

And the fucker walks away even richer than when he first came to us.

Back to your point, I'm not saying Walsh should be sacked, but it just seems like he has gotten off lightly. He is the DoF after all.

Ajay Gopal
55 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:36:29
Amidst all this doom and gloom, I found this article in the BBC, which while not directly relevant to Everton, shows how a few astute appointments (not necessarily 'big names') and not a fair bit of luck can quickly turn things around at a football club.

Substitute Everton for Valencia, and you will enjoy this read.


Chris Leyland
56 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:37:42
I've just seen Jim White in the B&M bargains on Bold Streert doing his Christmas shopping. He told me the shortlist is:

An arrogant former Dutch international manager who recently left a Merseyside Premier League club.
A brown-shoed Catalan snake oil salesman
A Dour Scottish manager looking to try and get back-to-back relegations on his CV

Mark Murphy
57 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:38:11
Kevin my memories a bit dim but who apart from Bournemouth have we beaten in the Premier League under Unsie?

Did I miss one?

Gavin Johnson
58 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:39:19
The thought of Martin O'Neill is even more ridiculous than signing Big Sam on a 2-year deal.
Kim Vivian
59 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:40:11
Watford, Mark
Tony Everan
60 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:40:20
What does 'close' mean?

By Sunday night? I am hoping so, with the reports that Watford are talking to Ace Ventura in Italy as a replacement, it looks like Silva will be taking training Monday morning.

Or maybe not; this is Everton after all. Men can be in the building and still do a runner!

Gordon Crawford
61 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:40:44
Sounds about right if it’s O’Neill, that would complete the Aston Villa connection. What a horrible manager to get in all honesty. It’s like a slow painful death in our club right now.
Rick Tarleton
62 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:42:08
Short list of three: Pulis, O'Neill and Bilic. God help us all.
Denver Daniels
63 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:43:04
Yarmalenko with Banega and Riquelme, Christian.

That completes the short list :-)

Oliver Brunel
64 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:43:17
I would like Martin ONeill. The Irish are fighters, we need some of that.
Jim Lloyd
65 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:46:48
KIm, I did see a shop dummy, complete with EFC blazer with crest to prove it, covered in spiders webs, plonked in the corner of an empty shop on County Road. There was a sign above the door saying "We're close to opening soon."

Pat Kelly
66 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:47:05
It's 99.9% certain, apparently...
Steve McNally
67 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:47:50
Denver (#54), I'd put my money on Koeman dismissing Walsh's recommendations. Walsh can't be held accountable for Koeman's signings.

Personally, I think Koeman didn't give a shit about Everton and, was using the club purely as a stepping stone for better things: which would explain why his transfer policy was so poorly thought through/flawed. As you rightly said, why make wholesale changes to a reasonable team? A hatchet job if ever!

Christian Watson
68 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:49:07
Well done Mark Murphy. Spotted my deliberate mistake. Tom Davies did indeed sing Que Sera. A pint for that man. Not Tom, Mark Murphy. Cheers
Kim Vivian
70 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:49:23
I don't know who's serious and who's fucking about on here.

Rick – Serious or fucker?

Nigel Munford
71 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:51:10
If we get O’Neill, who will he fall out with when McCarthy gets called up for the Irish internationals when not fit. Roy Keane maybe, or would Roy be his No. 2??

James Hughes
72 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:51:24
Oliver, you would like O'Neill to manage our club, really?! He can manage the car park, that is all.
Raymond Fox
75 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:53:08
I cant say I have much faith in any of the potential candidates. Forget the future, first priority is to stay up. When we do, because I'm confident we will, then think about the future.

It's looking very much like déjà vu to me, a new manager that disappoints and a big pay off again in another 18 months.

If its Silva, we are taking a shot in the dark with him, I think Dyche is a safer bet if I was forced to choose.

Moshiri must have stolen his money, or it's Usmanov's because he not displaying enough brains to have acquired it by intelligence.

Mark Murphy
76 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:53:30
Thanks Kim, f@ck me Alzheimer's truly is setting in!
Watford of course!

So, erm, why do we want their manager then?

Kim Vivian
77 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:54:57
Pat - what is? (That it's Saturday tomorrow?)
And where from?
Colin Glassar
78 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:55:31
Straqualarsi and Riquelme = Dream Team.
Jim Lloyd
79 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:55:47
By the way Kim, where's that song from. It could catch on!
Jer Kiernan
80 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:57:42
Martin O'Neill and Roy Keane, anyone? I am not a fan of the latter but, after watching the attitude of some of these overpriced duds we are now stuck with, I would think some discipline is much need.

Can anybody tell me what the fuck Silva has done to deserve this job?

John Graham
81 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:58:20
Great news. Shame we don't know who they are, so still a little apprehensive. Let's hope they have a brief for a manager who likes attacking football.

Don't expect an announcement before the game against Southampton on Sunday but hopefully it will be a bit of a boost to the players and they will be out to impress whoever the new guy is.

Stephen Williams
82 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:58:21
Getting a top class manager is clearly proving very difficult at this point, but come the end of the season (even assuming we avoid the drop) will be neigh on impossible.

Just think of the following possible scenarios:

- Mourinho being courted by PSG,
- Wenger almost at the end of the road,
- Real eyeing Pochettino as a replacement for Zidane,
- Conte clearly unsettled and Italy enviously looking towards him.

That's United, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea potentially looking for new managers.

We need something big now before we are well down the list come season's end.

Paul Birmingham
83 Posted 24/11/2017 at 18:59:49
At this stage I hope it's Dyche. The club needs to get some reality and needs a good clear out including some of the summer buys who are no where good enough for EFC.

It's dark days and I sense this is the darkest period in recent history based on what's happened. Also I'd get rid of the current Director of Football and get a some one or agree upfront who decides who comes and goes.

I'd like to hear SWs version of events with dour Clogg crew.

EFC in the 21st Century, and for now on the slide and decline, praying for a miracle in the derby...

Clive Rogers
84 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:01:26
Rangnick is favourite with the bookies now...
Kim Vivian
85 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:02:40
That, Jim, is by the interminably brilliant Scouse 70s punk band Deaf School, from the album of the same name. Pure gold. If anyone can remember Mr Digby's in Birkenhead, I saw them there.

It could sing well from the terraces, with whatever words you choose.

Steve McNally
86 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:04:11
Bill Kenwright spotted in The Wilmslow talking to Mike Bassett about the job. Ffs
Minik Hansen
87 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:08:25
Better be Silva! Will be able to communicate better with foreign our players, boost their confidence (Sandro) and make the right signings to settle the whole team spirit. Now we need off the pitch players like Baines, Jagielka, Coleman, McCarthy to show that Everton spirit and the rest will evovle it.
Oliver Brunel
88 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:08:40
I think ONeill would be a decent choice in the interim. Him and Keane would frighten these fuckers into doing some work, getting stuck in. They are a bunch of pansies. They need a kick up the arse but they keep getting away with it, spineless, downing tools on managers.
Kim Vivian
89 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:09:42
Are you Irish, Oliver?
Tony Twist
90 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:10:15
Rangnick would be fine, Dyche not sure, could stabilise us but not really a draw to get new players in, Silva would be okay and may attract new players but quite a risk with a team that is clueless regarding how to defend. Pulis, O'Neill then God help us. Silva it will be I think.
Jim Lloyd
91 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:11:19
No wonder I'd never heard it! I was more of the Hippy school of popular music, with a nice mix of English folk and Led Zep.

I'm going to see if I can find it on YouTube or somewhere and give it a listen. Do you not think we could do with something more cheerful and rousing? Y'know, something like "The Last Waltz!"

Jer Kiernan
92 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:11:27
Can somebody tell me what qualifications Silva has to take the job? I am stumped...
Raymond Fox
93 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:12:53
Martin O'Neill, Jesus we are desperate are we not.

Just imagine hot head Keane as his assistant, now he will piss the players off. I don't know, maybe they do need a good bollocking every five minutes.

I still think we need a new squad of players more than a new manager.

Michael Lynch
94 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:13:32
O'Neill? No fucking way. Not with our history with the arsehole. No way.
Jer Kiernan
95 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:14:02
Skybet have moved O'Neill to 11/10 – possible rolling contract?
Kim Vivian
96 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:15:10
Jim – sorry mate, I'm talking bollocks. Album was called 2nd Honeymoon.
Kim Vivian
97 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:18:11
Jim – I'd have put this with that last post if Koeman hadn't fucked my edit button.


Oliver Brunel
98 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:19:08
Anglo-Irish, Kim.
Oliver Brunel
99 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:21:52
Jim (#91) Fairport Convention? Better than Tull, Caravan and King Crimson in my opinion.
Jim Lloyd
100 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:23:33
That Koeman feller! He was one bad dude, Kim. The lyrics did sort of remind me of halcyon days of sunshine and beaches. Ah, lovely. Thanks for putting the techno stuff on for me but I haven't a clue what it means, basically cos I'm thick.

I assume though that if I put their name in and the title, it'll come up. Thanks Kim

Jay Wood
101 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:25:07
Oliver @ various:

"I would like Martin O'Neill. The Irish are fighters, we need some of that...O'Neill would be a decent choice...Him and Keane would frighten these fuckers into doing some work, getting stuck in."

Worked well in his most recent match as a manager, didn't it?

ROI 1 Denmark 5.

Soren Moyer
102 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:26:30
Holy crap! A big NO to Martin O'Neill. Get your shit together, EFC!
Joe McMahon
103 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:26:49
Martin O'Neill – Please no, NO just NO. I'm sure Sunderland and Villa fans would say stay away. This is the man who paid 14 million for Steven Fletcher over 5 years ago. It was big Sam who got rid and then went for an actual goalscorer in Defoe.
Jim Lloyd
104 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:27:39
Wow Oliver, now you're talking. Went to Cropredy a few years back and it was brilliant. Lovely place, though scene of a bloody civil war battle. Fabulous Fairport. Liked Pentangle a lot too. Think Kim would like all the uplifting music and Lyrics we have been lucky enough to enjoy.
Kim Vivian
105 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:27:50
Actually Jim, they weren't punk as you know it. More sort of Glam Punk really but did some real good high energy proper punk stuff at their gigs. I've done literally hundreds of gigs – all the pomp rock bands (never saw the Zep though), mental metal, sedate stuff (Fairports/Eagles etc) but can say Deaf School sticks out as one of the best gigs,

Don H – If your reading this (I know you're too sensible to contribute) remember that? And that chick in the denim jacket? (reply on messenger if you want)

Lads and Michael sorry – gone a bit off topic here. I'll stop now.

Jay Harris
106 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:28:08
OMG – looks as if it might be O'Neill. Now favourite at 11/10 with Skybet.

It's coming to something when I say I'd sooner have Big Sam.

Paul Maher
107 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:28:49
As an Irish fan I was unhappy with how we played in play-offs but we finished ahead of Wales and Austria and in Euros beat Italy and ran France close.

With Everton, O'Neill and Keane would have better players; we need to win games now – School of Science later We were all okay with Joe Royle's Dogs of War winning the FA Cup – and don't forget tenacity of Reidy and Bracewell in 80s.

Kim Vivian
108 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:28:58
That explains it, Oliver. Forgiven.
Jim Lloyd
109 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:31:06
Very educating tho Kim, I'll give them a try.

As for our imminent capture of a world class manager, it's a bit like waiting for Santa, is all this. "Has he come yet?"

Jim Lloyd
110 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:32:56
Bit of a loose cannon is Martin O'Neill. Did he walk out on Aston Villa?
Mike Hughes
111 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:35:37
Breaking news. New EFC manager revealed

Job description
The new manager will have to work with a messy dog's dinner of a set-up; work with a bunch of crocks; be used to getting his hands dirty and spending lots of money while dealing with emotional turmoil.

Forget Allardyce, Dyche et al.

The ideal candidate is TV's very own Dr Noel Fitzpatrick (aka The Supervet) who also happens to look like Martin O'Neill, is Irish and wears glasses.

He knows bog all about football management and couldn't give a toss about the Toffees which puts him on a par with the two last managers on EFC's books.

You heard it here first.

John G Davies
112 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:38:58
Surely even William Kenwright esq would not give O'Neill a start.
John Pierce
113 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:40:23
Jim. Martin O'Neill did walk out but basically he asked for the kind of money we had last summer from Lerner.

He had Villa neck & neck with us for 2/3 seasons and Lerner wasn't prepared to go all in on the job. He walked on the eve of a new season.


Rick Pattinson
114 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:41:22
Jim@110. Apparently he did because he wasn't given the funds to sign McGeady. That's some scary shiiiiit, folks!
Keith Monaghan
115 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:43:13
The people who should have been fired were the architects of the Lukaku/Rooney deal in mid-July.

Did anyone notice that the wheels started to come off after the window closed when all hope was sucked out of the squad by the failure to make the signings needed to fill 2 key areas of the team? Our 1st game after was 0-3 at home to Spurs.

Fancy making an well over-the-hill & unfit pro our most highly paid player! What would the other players make of that?!

Kenwright out and take Rooney & the other hangers on with you!

Joe McMahon
116 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:45:23
I'm throwing the towel in if Martin O'Neill is our next manager. The man is a complete arrogant Arse. Oh, and as already been said his last game, the must-win one was Ireland 1 Denmark 5. Walking out on Villa the way he did was a disgrace.
Oliver Brunel
117 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:46:16
That's where we are, folks. Martin O'Neill. Simeone is about as believable as a world class riverside stadium.
Minik Hansen
118 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:46:28
Betting is part of the game, so someone will be pulling the strings, making up stories and whatnot. Until something genuine happens, we'll have to wait.
Len Hawkins
119 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:50:13
Christ how bad can it get O'Neill or a bloody Punk band, Championship make way for the Mighty Everton.
Andy Walker
120 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:50:23
All a plan to get the fans to accept Allardyce who the Board always wanted but were spooked by the fans' reaction.

‘Okay, you don't want Allardyce, we'll get O'Neill'

Hugh Jenkins
121 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:52:04
Steve (26) – most of the "deadwood he will inherit from Koeman", was bought in the last window!
Ed Fitzgerald
122 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:54:37

Deaf School were never a punk band they were a great band though and still play the odd gig. I've been in the last couple of year to see them and they are still excellent.

Don Alexander
123 Posted 24/11/2017 at 19:59:01
Ajay (#55), thanks for that piece about Valencia at the moment. It's the second press item I've read today from which we can maybe see how amateurish our Kenwright-led club have been and remain. The other was the Independent's interview with Denis Stracqualursi. He pointed out that when he first arrived with us, bereft of English, nobody even told him the squad dining arrangements and as a result he didn't re-fuel like everyone else did. That's amateurish.

The most interesting thing to me about the Valencia article was that Marcelino, their brand new manager "Loves to play a quick and direct game centred around numerical supremacy and the idea of overwhelming the opponent based on the speed of their transitions. Exhausting stuff that is less exhausting when you are feeding your body the required nutrients.

Dining together often the players are also subjected to strict workouts. Their blood is analysed, and weight checked, frequently. According to Valencian papers there are behavioural rules to abide by.

Marcelino demands that every player addresses each member of staff with the utmost respect, irrespective of what job they hold.

Yet despite all the rules and the severity of training, there exists a lot of love and respect within the group, creating a unit eager to surpass expectations."

Valencia are second to Barca, who they play this weekend, six points and eight goals to the good over Real. They've done this by getting rid of 14 in the squad when the new manager, appointed in May, took over supported by a proven director of football who'd joined a year earlier. They replaced the departees with players who cost next to nowt but felt personally that they had a point to prove as professional footballers.

So Mr Moshiri apparently it can be done, on the cheap even, providing YOU select the right people to do it. Nobody knows where Valencia will end up this season or next mind you, but you can be SURE it won't be in their Segunda B this season.

Kevin Prytherch
124 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:00:47
Mark Murphy...

Southampton 3-0 after Martinez!!!
Watford 3-2 this time

Makes my argument look better including the Southampton game!!!

Wouldn’t it be ironic if we got Silva though. Our last 2 managers would have come from the only 2 clubs that Unsworth has beat!!

Ray Robinson
125 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:04:10
Ed (#122), you're right - Deaf School weren't a punk band. Their best song in my opinion was "Taxi" which seems quite relevant with the current managerial merry-go-round! I'm sure that I saw them once in the Sportsman bar below St John's precinct - but maybe not - I was usually the worst for wear in there. Certainly saw Supercharge in there - which is what are new manager will need to achieve.
Joe O'Brien
126 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:05:34
It will not be O'Neill... how many times has the name changed of the bookies favourite? Fat Sam was there for a bit... Dyche there also.. lately it has been Silva and now O'Neill... the only ones who won in this delayed appointment were the bookies... they are loving this.

It will not be O'Neill so everyone relax.

Brian Williams
127 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:09:29
Leicester one up. More good news!
Craig McFarlane
128 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:10:38
Kevin @124 it was Norwich, not Southampton, that Unsworth got his first victory over just after Bobby Bullshit left the building.
Pat Kelly
129 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:12:05
Kim, the 99.9% certain was what we were told about signing a striker !
Oliver Brunel
130 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:12:28
The dreaded Blofeld has struck again. Not only content with asset stripping the club he is now choosing and getting his way with choice of Managers!?
Soren Moyer
131 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:14:39
Don Alexander, Ajay Gopal, spot on. Have been saying that since we sacked Martinez. He has been my favorite from his Villareal days. He was available when we appointed Koeman ffs.
Kevin Prytherch
132 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:17:12
So it was.

Don't know where I got Southampton from...

Rob Lawrence
133 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:27:32
All good and well saying clear out the dead wood, but who would be willing to pay the same wage they're on now, on similar length contracts. They won't be getting snapped up by any bigger clubs so why would they leave. I think we're lumbered with the whole sorry bunch of them. Scary thought.
Simon Dalzell
137 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:42:29
The ROI defeat to Denmark was just like watching us. Shambolic. It should be any easy transition for Mr. O'neill.
Mick Conalty
140 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:51:27
Moshiri, you are the one who brought Koeman to Everton which proves you are fucking clueless about football. Pease leave the next appointment to someone who knows what they are doing.

Just heard a pundit on the radio say Everton will find it difficult to find a manager of Keoman's calibre – obviously a RedShite Gobshyte taking the piss.

Andy Crooks
141 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:52:52
I like, respect and admire Martin O'Neill. However, not in a million years can I see him as our new manager. Surely it is time for innovation and imagination.
Ray Robinson
142 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:55:56
Martin O'Neill would give Martinez a run for his money in the bullshit race. Not for me. Whatever reservations I have about Dyche, at least I can understand what he's saying.
Chris Watts
144 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:58:05
I've always liked O'Neill, the closest thing to Clough. Him and Keane might stick a rocket up a few over pampered behinds...
Chris Watts
146 Posted 24/11/2017 at 20:59:29
Plus, O'Neill is a far better man manager than Koeman.
Paul Birmingham
147 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:00:16
For me, Dyche. I hope no to O'Neill. He had his day at Wycombe, Leicester and Celtic. Those days are long gone.

This is EFC and God only knows.

Kim Vivian
148 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:06:01
Ray - Man, I was there '72. Seen them about 7-8 times since then. First album is the best yeah? Not technically, but just the best.
Kim Vivian
149 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:06:01
Got sidetracked Hugh (136) If O'Neill is going to be our manager it's arrivederci from me for the foreseeable. So just chatting about stuff, you know.
Mick Conalty
150 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:11:39
With all the so-called trouble associated with Everton regarding fans and players in the Europa League games???

Maybe all English clubs should be suspended from Europe for the rest of the season.

I Would love it. I would really love it!!!

Tony Abrahams
152 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:22:36
I also think O’Neill has had his best days, but let’s just wait and see? I don’t think that anything Moshiri, has ever said to Jim White, has ever materialised, so I’m not even expecting a new manager just yet.

I’m glad he’s talking about stabilisation though, because it’s the first sensible thing I’ve heard for a while, and the most important thing that matters just now.

Colin Glassar
153 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:27:03
It appears to be Silva. Watford are “in talks” with former Italian manager, Ventura.

And before some smart arse says, Ace Ventura. No it’s not.

Gordon Crawford
154 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:28:23
Michael O'Neill would be a better option. We are scraping the barrel with Martin O'Neill. Embarrassing.
Brian Williams
155 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:28:43
Is it Ace Ventura Col?
Eric Paul
156 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:29:23
Surely the way O'Neill has disrespected Everton and criticised us with his sidekick, he wouldn't be allowed anywhere near Goodison Park.
Kevin Field
157 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:29:39
Ajay 55 – Spot on. It is evident that Everton need to look at business, sports and psychological science management to get to the next step. If you're a business that has been running at a certain level, it takes cultural change to move to the next – the way we act, think and interact is key to the next step as a club.

It's what Moyes tried and to a degree did when he joined the club, and Martinez behind the scenes. We need another shift, and perhaps on the scale of Dave Brailsford's minimal changes for major gains – https://jamesclear.com/marginal-gains – or Sir Clive Woodwards culture change that helped England win the Rugby Union World Cup – https://www.cio.co.uk/it-leadership/sir-clive-woodwards-four-steps-to-creating-a-winning-culture-3431439/

In my line of work, it takes people with vision to change things, and you'll go along with it or move on – that's what we need, someone who can move us on.

Brian Williams
158 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:29:56
Gordon. We haven't hired Martin O'Neill.
Colin Glassar
159 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:31:28
Jim Carey in disguise, Brian.
Brian Williams
160 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:32:24
Colin. Might as well be mate!
Kim Vivian
161 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:35:41
Looks like refs are nervous around penalty claims after the Niasse lynching watching West Ham. Pen not given mindful of a potential diving claim I'd say. Anyone see that?
Tony Farrell
162 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:38:23
Just a quick note to all the blues who want Silva as our manager. His Watford were 2 up against a disjointed team like us and still allowed us to put 3 past them!!! Any manager worth his salt should have shut up shop and won the game – especially against a shit team like us.

We're better than all the crap names mentioned. In my opinion, for what it's worth, I would like Simione.

Phil Walling
163 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:41:59
Brian @ 158 ; Moshiri looks to be a student of the Randy Lerner School of Football Club Balls Ups and Martin O'Neill most certainly wrote his graduation thesis on the subject !
Rob Birks
164 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:42:37
On another topic, west hams ayew has just, blatantly dived in the box in front of the ref. Guess what happened next?
Karl Meighan
165 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:43:29
A new manager? It's more important that in January we get at least 6 new players as those shambolic idiots we have are fucking shite.

Every single player we have should be up for sale in January, the loss of any of them would not damage us in any way. With a bit of luck maybe Sunderland will take most of them.

I don't think any manager in the world could get much out of the garbage we have trying to pass themselves off as footballers.

John Pierce
166 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:47:32
Lads you are aware aren’t you Ayew has to successfully deceive an official right?

If no penalty or red card awarded it won’t ever be reviewed.

He deceived no-one there. Niasse I’m afraid did just that.

Peter Cummings
167 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:47:36
Maybe a shot in the dark here but would anyone object to an approach for Benitez, he has a proven record of success both in Europe and domestic fields and seems to have a knack of motivating his players.

None of the present 'prospects' mentioned so far are, in my opinion, close to exciting the imagination and another disastrous appointment could take EFC into total oblivion, Just Saying.

Brian Williams
168 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:50:32
I wouldn't welcome him Peter. Maybe daft but can't forgive his comments about us. Also if he crashed and burned we'd have years of the "well done agent Benitez" shite.
Daniel Bagan
169 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:50:42
Just had a txt from a reliable source – Martin O'Neill is 85% done deal!!
Brian Williams
170 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:51:55
86% I heard.
Rob Dolby
171 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:53:55
I wouldn't be surprised if Pepe Mel, Dr Joseph Venglos or Remi Garde walked through a stars in your eyes style presentation on Monday.

The longer this is going on, the less confidence I have in Moshiri.

Christy Ring
172 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:57:11
I hope it's a joke, Martin O'Neill being mentioned. He lost the plot against Denmark, with his substitutions, not to mention his time with Villa. I'd even take Keane ahead of him. Michael O'Neill is a far better manager. The thoughts of it, are not even funny, and I'm Irish.
Trevor Peers
173 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:57:55
Benitez wouldn't piss on Everton, get real, we're in a desperate situation a badly run club. That means we'll be limited to the usual suspects.
Brian Ronson
174 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:58:42
Peter (167) I admire your courage. Benitez meets all the criteria apart from the fact that he managed Liverpool. Whether he would come is debatable given Newcastle are close to takeover.

Liverpool fans would be sick because they would know we had appointed one of the best managers with a superb record. We all know unfortunately it won't happen .

Kim Vivian
175 Posted 24/11/2017 at 21:59:03
Daniel - W.U. ?
Please say yes.
Colin Glassar
176 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:02:56
86.5% now
Daniel Bagan
177 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:03:15
Lad on site just txt me – his uncle is Everton's kit manager and he's just been told. Not saying it's 100% but just passing on the message.
Derek Knox
180 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:09:15
Could someone tell me why Moshiri is always pictured smiling?

He's either a very happy chappy, or something like that. I think he is probably the only one who is, at the moment, kitty more or less blown.

Managerless, charlatan Manager got away with Crime of the Century, and thick end of £10M, and a bunch of misfiring misfits to boot.

Derek Knox
181 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:09:16
Could someone tell me why Moshiri is always pictured smiling?

He's either a very happy chappy, or something like that. I think he is probably the only one who is, at the moment, kitty more or less blown.

Managerless, charlatan Manager got away with Crime of the Century, and thick end of £10M, and a bunch of misfiring misfits to boot.

Brian Williams
182 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:11:09
Although to us "on the inside" as it were, we consider the club an absolute shambles and a laughing stock at the moment, to outsiders, the managers job is a BIG one.

You only have to listen to the media, the pundits etc to realise that, although we consider the job a poisoned chalice, there are still good managers out there who would jump at the chance of the job.

They don't just look at the present situation they look at the potential, which IS massive. We just need the right people in place!

Daniel Bagan
183 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:11:33
Just checked Skybet, he's now favourite. Hope it's not true personally.
Paul Wyndham
184 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:14:58
There's an article on the BBC Sport website containing statistical data with regards to the sacking of Premiership managers at this point in previous seasons.


Joe O'Brien
185 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:15:23
So was fat Sam, Dyche and Silva, Daniel.. it's not going to happen.
Chris Bentham
186 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:15:55
For those of you who think Martin O'Neill isn't a good manager you don't know anything about football. For those who think Sam allardyce isn't a good manager you don't know anything about football. Ideal choices maybe no but no one is leaving there club after 12 games who's doing well.
Paul Smith
187 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:18:42
Another name being put in the mix is Andre Vilas Boas who will be leaving his Chinese post after 2nd leg of cup final this weekend.
Gordon Crawford
188 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:20:09
Brian 158 I know that, but it feels like we have.
Will Mabon
190 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:25:03
Reliable Source Panel for outcome percentage likelihood calculation. A group of people sat around late on a Friday night somewhere...

"What do we think... 90?"
"Nah, too high... 80 for me"
"But that's too low".
"How about 85 then?"
"Let's say 84 so it doesn't look like an obvious round figure".
"But 84 looks like we're trying to be too accurate..."
"Yeah, I see what you mean... 85 it is then. Send it out - 85 percent chance that O'Neill will be manager".

Brian Williams
191 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:26:24
Gordon. Have faith mate. I'm gonna stick my neck out and say if it's Martin O'fuckingneil I'll *thinking*
John Pierce
192 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:27:18
Everton are funny club to spec. Not the top 6 but the next best set of resources. So we can never attract a top top name but everything else we are above.

The general treadmill of EPL managers who swap jobs.

ABV might fit, not top top but way better than the also rans and yesterday’s men we are been linked with.

I could handle that appointment.

Daniel Bagan
193 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:29:23
Alan Myers just said on Twitter it's not Martin O'Neill.
Matthew Williams
194 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:29:53
O'Neill???... give me fooking strength. Has Moshiri seen the Republic of Ireland play lately???

Totally fucking clueless, more money than brains it seems... get Wilder of Sheffield Utd please & stop pissing about.

No I'm not his agent btw... if only... sigh.

Brian Williams
195 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:30:23
See told yer!
Kenny Smith
196 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:32:20
Imagine it's O'Neill who gets it. The derby will be an even bigger fuckin joke with him and Klopp jumping round like a pair right wanker cheerleaders.

Where are we heading???

Will Mabon
197 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:34:01
Reliable Source Panel for outcome percentage likelihood calculation - Update: 55% .
Mike Hughes
198 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:35:42
It's not Martin O'Neill. Betting suspended on Allardyce.

I've had 50p each way on a rank outsider. And I mean rank.

The names is Barnes. John Barnes.

Tony Dove
199 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:36:17
We have had some terrible names put forward as the next manager but the latest name on the block, ie. O'Neill will mean the end of my days at Goodison.
Andy Crooks
200 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:36:26
My God, it looks like it is Martin O'Neill. I like him but I really hope this is nonsense.
Will Mabon
201 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:36:58
Mike, I just barfed.
Brian Williams
202 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:40:44
It is NOT Martin O'Neill. Stop being fannys saying "Oooh it looks like it's O'Neill. His is just yet another name mentioned by the media.

If they mentioned Ken Dodd would you fall for that hook, line and sinker?????

Mike Hughes
203 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:42:29
It could be a new first from Moshiri.

We've heard of joint managers before but get this

Martin O'Neill, Big Sam and Pulis in a bespectacled, gum-chewing, baseball-hatted AXIS OF EVIL.

Be afraid.




Brian Ronson
204 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:43:01
Martin O'Neill has damaged James McCarthy's career by playing him when he was injured. His sidekick is a dog who disrespected Everton. There would be many Evertonians me include who would walk away from a lifetime of support if true. Please God it isn't!
Clive Lewis
205 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:44:12
O'Neill is a good manager and psychologist. Exactly what we need.
Tony Dove
206 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:47:12
Missed this point in my previous post but when people compare the likes of Mike Walker with the names currently being touted as the next manager they miss the point that Walker was a popular choice at the time. The likes of Allardyce and O'Neill are the polar opposite.

There is a saying that it is the hope that kills you. In the present situation it is not the hope of us getting a decent new manager that is killing everyone but the ever growing fear that we will end up with some football dinosaur.

Barry Thompson
207 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:50:56
Ken Dodd and 1st team coach Dicky Mint. Doddy would come if he could have his cash tax free. Get on the phone to Knotty Ash Bill, gotta be better than O'Neill and Keane.
Steve Ferns
208 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:53:46
I heard O'Neill is going to be our new physio. No one heals McCarthy faster than O'Neill, and we need McCarthy right now.
Mike Hughes
209 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:54:53
Barry #207

Dicky Mint has retired.
Stop winding people up.
This is a serious thread.

Bob Carolgees has been spotted in The Wilmslow.

Jay Harris
210 Posted 24/11/2017 at 22:59:57
Martin O'Neill now 4/9 odds on favourite on Skybet.

Jim White inside knowledge?

I certainly hope not.

Why the hell we can't get a decent manager? I don't understand.

Derek Thomas
211 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:01:07
Angry Birds shares have dropped 20% in the last 2 months. I'd sell now before they make an official announcement and they tank completely: warning shares and Everton can go up or down.
Barry Thompson
212 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:01:24
Looks like 1st team coach is Spit the dog then, Mike. Still better than Martin O'Neill.
Steve Ferns
213 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:03:31
If O'Neill comes in, they'll look back at 17,000 crowds and call them the glory days.
Mike Hughes
214 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:07:10
Martin O'Neill was spotted at that service station near The Rocket mid afternoon. I have it on good authority he bought a Ginsters Cheese Pasty and a Twix.

Apparently he looked a bit nervous “like either he was going to an interview or had the shits”.

If he had the shits why would he buy the Ginsters / Twix combo?

Jay Tee
215 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:08:29
The way we are playing now I fear not even Merlin or the Wizard of Oz could save us. So anyone who can take us 17th or higher by the end of the season will do. Then do a proper rebuild.
Steve Ferns
216 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:09:33
Couldn't you have done his tyres Mike? You know quick slash, make him miss the interview?
Mike Hughes
217 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:12:54
Steve – I did consider that but was too tyred after last night's dead rubber

Steve Ferns
218 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:14:51
Tyred! I like the pun!
Mike Hughes
219 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:22:56
I wonder what the reaction will be like when they announce the new manager?

1. Tyre deflating.
2. Balloon popping.
3. Fart in a lift.
4. Shit sandwich.
5. Champagne cork.

Chris Gould
220 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:23:08
It's going to be a short term appointment whoever it is. Someone to stabilise the club until the summer. Allardyce wanted a longer contract, maybe O'Neill was more agreeable to those terms.

It's very disappointing if true but I would back him to keep us up.

Drew O'Neall
221 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:25:45
I heard down the chippy that Sir Alex Ferguson, who always admired Everton as a ‘proper club', fancies a swan song and a tilt at Mourinho.
Drew O'Neall
222 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:27:08
Joking aside, what kind of rank amateur businessman states they are ‘close to an appointment’?
Tony Everan
223 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:34:55
O'Neill, O'Shit, O'MG, O'Dear...

He's just presided over the biggest disorganised Irish football debacle in their history. Do we really want a manager that gets their teams beaten 1-5 at home.

Surely this is just pure shite to feed the media whilst they are hiring someone else.

Jack Ledwidge
224 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:42:21
Drew, to keep the salary down. Go quiet with the one you want, silent treatment, then return with an offer when he thinks he’ a goner.
Bob Parrington
225 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:44:14
Never know what's going' on behind the scene but still not given up on Silva. Hopefully not Martin O'Neill, Dyche, "Alla r Dyc(h)e", Pulis or Billic.

Silva was none committal when asked plus rumours ref Watford and Ventura!

Steve, Mike - many wouldn't get that. My kids say OMG it's a Dad joke on such occasions!

Neil Copeland
226 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:48:45
Neil Copeland
227 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:49:19
Ken Dodd now favourite with Skybet!
Bob Parrington
228 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:50:01
BTW - Why would Watford be interested in Ventura. His success rate hasn't really been star-studded!?

Brian Williams
229 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:50:04
How tickled I am Neil.
Ian Riley
230 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:54:30
Still think Silva is coming. I'd rather have had Moyes back than Martin O'Neill.
Simon Dalzell
231 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:54:59
Joking aside, I think Ventura would be ACE. ( i've had a couple .)
Mike Hughes
232 Posted 24/11/2017 at 23:56:34
In the interests of factual accuracy, I would like to correct my anecdote #214

It was not a cheese pasty.
Apparently it was a mushroom slice.

Neil Copeland
233 Posted 25/11/2017 at 00:02:41
That sounds better, I doubt O'Neill would make it past the toilets after a mix of a mushroom slice and a Twix.
Phil Barry
235 Posted 25/11/2017 at 00:10:15
Geoff Lambert
238 Posted 25/11/2017 at 00:36:59
Silva!! As I said earlier this week.
Paul Holmes
239 Posted 25/11/2017 at 00:38:13
Anybody will do as manager, anybody. All he has to do is get rid of the shit we bought for £140 million and get Bolasie, Funes Mori, Coleman, McCarthy and hopefully Barkley back and spend some money in just over a months time to replace the dross of Koeman and Walsh! Any new manager can get rid of any players because he did not buy them, thank fuck for that.
Clive Mitchell
240 Posted 25/11/2017 at 00:48:17
Anyway, West Ham's Ayew has just been charged with successfully deceiving the referee because, when he dived like Tom Daly the ref thought it looked like a genuine sudden loss of the ability to withstand gravity and failed to book him.

Ayew's defence is expected to be "It was Martin Atkinson FFS."

Darren Murphy
241 Posted 25/11/2017 at 00:50:00
I wonder what score we'll be at by half-time against a sub-par team we stole ginger balls off... oh, hang on – we're shite, so it could be 2-0 down and the only way we'll score is a penalty or if it went in off the refs ass.

Nevermind... a new manager will stop the rot with no recognition of two strikers needed – let alone one. No decent manager would come here and none of the so-called good ones could transform us either. Cheque book Charlie Maureen and Co can do one.

I feel sorry for David Unsworth, he's had to try his best with the lads who obviously played under Knobhead Koeman and his brother and out of position etc. We ain't that bad so blaming Rhino is a bit harsh.

Blame the Muppets that moved here or the overpaid complacent ones. I've seen more fight from our women's team... no sexist pun. Where's a youthful XI with pace and width... we've got one. Not managed enough. Dire.

Darren Murphy
242 Posted 25/11/2017 at 00:51:14
Silva? Why? He's walked out of every club after one year... and done what?
David Israel
243 Posted 25/11/2017 at 01:02:07
I really don't know what I'm enjoying more on this thread: the discussion about the new manager or the side comments on punk, mental rock, Fairport Convention (I do miss Sandy Denny)! :-)

I think Martin O'Neil is being used as a ploy to make everyone accept Big Sam, though!

After the lighter notes, here's my forecast: it will be the German guy, whose name I haven't yet memorised, the one who does Steve Walsh's job at Leipzig. Remember where you read it first! (or don't).

Chad Schofield
244 Posted 25/11/2017 at 01:14:22
Shaquille O'Neil spotted skulking through John Lennon Airport.
Ernie Baywood
245 Posted 25/11/2017 at 01:22:26
There's only one excuse for it taking this long... there's a huge, exciting signing coming who is going to be given the opportunity to turn this squad and club around in the January transfer market.

Of course, I thought the same in the summer about the striker situation when it was abundantly clear that any signing would be better than nothing. Not signing anyone with a week to go could only mean one thing... we were in for a treat. Well it turned out I was wrong.

So I was fooled – shame on the club. I'm still going to give them this opportunity to fool me twice and put shame on me. Being an Evertonian and holding onto hopes go hand in hand.

If after all this we end up with an 'obvious' low level candidate that we could have brought in a month ago then I don't know where we go next. The club, be that Moshiri, Kenwright or whoever, just won't understand footballing reality and aren't fit for purpose.

Chris Watts
246 Posted 25/11/2017 at 02:02:28
Why do ToffeeWebers not like Martin O'Neill? At risk of repeating, he's always been someone I like. Clough, Mark 2. Why all the hate?

He's a good man-manager. He's barely experienced. For those who talk about Ireland v Denmark, Erickson is class above anyone Ireland had available.

Justin Doone
248 Posted 25/11/2017 at 02:33:19
Mancini please. Pulis is available, he'd be better than William's..

Still lots to play for. January transfer window for 3 quality players. CB, L Fwd, CF.

All 3 need to have pace, strength, experience, work rate and ability to do their jobs. Defender to defend. Winger / Fwd with movement, run with the ball and cross. Striker who can finish, good movement and link play.

I don't like to chuck names around but I'd take a risk as a 4th option to loan Montero (?) left winger who was at Swansea. Not sure what happened to him but I enjoyed watching him skin a few players and deliver quality crosses.

1 main issue I have with Unsworth is that as a former defender his teams can't defend.

I think revert to 5-4-1 keep it tight. Baines, Holgate, Jags, Keane, Kenny. Fullbacks give us width with Lennon and Mirallas to link up and support striker either side of Davies and Gana in Mid. Calvert-Lewin to start upfront. The 3 advanced /fwd players need to put in a shift and depending on performance Lookman, Sandro and Rooney to come on.

I don't think Pickford is better than Robles at this stage so either for me. I'd be happy with 0-0.

Barry Williams
249 Posted 25/11/2017 at 02:43:43
Kim Vivian - 143

Anyone who likes Motorhead gets a lot of brownie points from me! Probably got to see them near on 20 times!

That's the solution, play Motorhead throughout the game, scare the opposition as footballers really have nambie pambie musical taste, back to the dogs of war, which is a motorhead track! Perfect!

Seriously though, with 2 aged cbs, one out of form young cb, an aged lb with no cover, what can a new manager do?

Phil Sammon
250 Posted 25/11/2017 at 04:17:22
Chris Watts (#246)

Martin O'Neill did a good job for a period with Villa. That was a long time ago. Personally, I don't like the guy. And professionally he has done nothing to warrant being in the frame for a Premier League manager's job. I'm actually really shocked this is being discussed. I have previously said ‘anyone but Allardyce'... but I'd even have that arrogant monster over O'Neill.

James Watts
251 Posted 25/11/2017 at 04:51:01
Chris #246.

Why do ToffeeWebers not like Martin O'Neill?

Because he's a shite manager. Anyone even contemplating O'Neill in a serious discussion needs their head examined for a sign of a brain activity.

Clough Mark 2? Get yourself booked in for that head examination, fella.

Peter Barry
252 Posted 25/11/2017 at 05:24:25
Why haven't the people responsible, along with Koeman, for bringing in £150 million worth of utter dross, with the possible exception of the goalkeeper Pickford, over the last transfer window been sacked yet.
James Byrne
253 Posted 25/11/2017 at 05:31:17
I'm overseas right now so it's not easy to gauge the feeling for having O'Neill as our next Manager while out the City. I hope to god it's not true.

I never forget a TV interview years ago with an ex Pro who worked under O'Neill as a player and he basically couldn't stand the man. He said he was one of those blokes who disagreed with everything players would come up. Just a typical argumentative twat!

Plus I personally think he's a crap manager.

Brian Wilkinson
254 Posted 25/11/2017 at 06:57:39
If we roll the clock back a season, most wanted either Koeman or De Boer, not sure if a poll was done but my guessing is those two would have romped the fans views.

Now I am not saying for one minute O'Neill is the answer or anyone else on the shortlist, we should have a clearer idea come Monday.

We as fans got it wrong with our two previous shouts before Ronnie got the job.

What is clear though is we need to get someone in and hope they can put a rocket up the arse of our team and quick.

Whoever that may be, we need to get behind him and hope he can turn our season around.

Kim Vivian
255 Posted 25/11/2017 at 07:46:35
Barry 249. A.o.S in the dressing room before the game! RIP, Lemmy
Tony Abrahams
256 Posted 25/11/2017 at 08:35:26
James isn’t that normal though mate, to argue with people you don’t really like or don’t agree with? I’m not sure this site would even exist if this wasn’t the case.
Mark Stone
257 Posted 25/11/2017 at 08:42:14
Spot on Brian, and roll it back to 2013 and Martinez was the favourite. Bilic was another. Great managers they've all turned out to be... 👀
Oliver Brunel
258 Posted 25/11/2017 at 09:00:11
Does anyone have any faith in Blofeld making the right managerial choice because although USM are there now it doesnt mean Blofeld has handed over the keys to Goodison Park. It will take an almighty push by Usmanov to get control before the whole thing bursts into flames. The record of appointments by Blofeld is truly frightening:


Derek Knox
259 Posted 25/11/2017 at 09:09:20
Brian @ 254, thing is Brian, it matters not one jot, who we as fans would like as Manager, the Board or whoever, will appoint who they think has the best Magic Wand.

That basically is where the problem lies, we have a Board who seem alien to the game of Football.

Which is ironic, but frightening at the same time, for us as fans.

Mike Kehoe
260 Posted 25/11/2017 at 09:21:43
The only candidate I would be happy with is Silva out the names mentioned so far, otherwise give Unsworth the rest of the season and back him with cash in January.

There are very winnable fixtures coming up an key players returning from injury so it would be fair to give him the opportunity: he's earned that much.

Ian Riley
261 Posted 25/11/2017 at 09:25:21
If not Silva then Sean Dyche should have been the next choice. Five weeks and Martin O'Neill is firm favourite with the bookmaker's. Well, at least we are close to the announcement.

Whoever it is, I wish them all the best.

Eddie Dunn
262 Posted 25/11/2017 at 09:41:25
Oliver (#258). That is very unfair. Moyes was a successful appointment, and was seen as a promising manager and until his rather ugly end, he served us well.

Martinez was great in his first season, and with more money to spend and with better players, his system might have worked.

Koeman was greeted by many on here with warmth, we were at that tie delighted with his no-nonsense, bullshit-free interviews and with Lukaku still on board (he managed to convince him to stay another season) the team reached Europe.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Alan McGuffog
263 Posted 25/11/2017 at 09:42:21
Would take anyone who can guarantee us 17th or above. Still feel some ToffeeWebbers don't appreciate the depth of the shite that we are in.
Peter Gorman
264 Posted 25/11/2017 at 09:51:59
Guys, rather than talk nonsense about fans wanting either Martinez or Koeman why don't you actually bother looking at the polls which are still available on this site.

The favourite before Martinez was appointed was Laudrup. Martinez was the choice of 16% on TW. A later poll had Vitor Pereira ahead of him.

The most popular choice to replace Martinez was Mourinho. Koeman got 18% of the backing.

Whatever the hindsight and wishful thinking involved in those polls, we are looking at neither Martinez and Koeman being the popular choice and indeed only the choice of a pretty underwhelming % of fans.

Don't be lazy, be accurate.

Oliver Brunel
265 Posted 25/11/2017 at 10:15:15
I think the core of the problem is that neither Kewnwright nor Moshiri or Elstone are 'Football' men. They are easy pickings for the Italians, Spanish, agents etc. The club is naive from top to bottom with no real leadership.

Walsh has been a complete disaster and he doesn't have Everton interests at heart, neither did Koeman who could see rich pickings under his nose. I'm not sure who was the real culprit in the transfer swindles but they need to be investigated.

And no, Moyes wasn't a successful Everton manager.

Martin Nicholls
266 Posted 25/11/2017 at 10:27:01
If we end up with O'Neill one thing's for sure – with his record of picking injured players, his first team sheet will include Seamus, Funes Mori, Jimmy Mac and Yannick B!
Len Hawkins
267 Posted 25/11/2017 at 10:29:29
All this O'Neill talk could be the Northern Ireland O'Neill it states on BBC that he has had offers, he could put a bomb under the players.
Neil Copeland
268 Posted 25/11/2017 at 10:35:40
Len, according to Skybet, Michael O'Neill is 50/1 with Martin O'Neill at 6/4.
Christy Ring
269 Posted 25/11/2017 at 10:43:47
You can't fault Moyes's early years, he took over a shite ageing team left by Smith, near the bottom of the table, with little money to spend, and turned the club around. He lost all appreciation, over the way he moved to Man Utd.
By the way, I'd have given Moyes the job now, if O'Neill is in the frame.
David Hallwood
270 Posted 25/11/2017 at 10:45:46
Although I think we've got enough talent to stay up, Everton early 90,s we ain't, it's beginning to look like the final days of Fulham's time in the Prem.

Revolving door managers; Rene whatshisname, Felix Magath came and went, all with an impressive CV, but only created confusion, that's why I say give it to Unsy at least til the end of the season as we're crying out for stability.

Obviously they sacked Koeman (which we all called for) in response to the Arsenal game with no clear plan what happens next. I think the ‘performance‘ on Thursday night partly reflected this. Fringe players not on Unsy's radar but wtf he'll be gone by December, then clean slate.

Whoever we get before the window has an enormous job sorting the defence out first and foremost and pace up front that'll make teams a bit more wary of piling forward.

Big job ahead for anyone.

Brian Harrison
271 Posted 25/11/2017 at 10:55:55
First Allardyce now some are suggesting the leprechaun is this the height of our ambition. I don't know which of these 2 is worse both fill me with absolute dread.
Eddie Dunn
272 Posted 25/11/2017 at 10:57:17
Oliver, "Moyes wasn't successful". Surely success is a relative thing; true, he won nothing, but these days with the Premier League being the lifeblood for every club, and Champions League the icing on the cake, surely to keep us in the division and often in the top 8 can be seen as successful, especially as we stare at the current position in the table?

I was one of his fiercest critics in the final year or so, but you don't win "Manager of the Year"on three occasions without being good at your job.

James Watts
273 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:02:40
I wouldn't dismiss Michael O'Neill just because he's at 50/1.Remember, Martin O'Neill wasn't mentioned until an interview from Cunningham a few days ago saying why don't Everton go for Martin. Suddenly bam, he's favourite!

And Alan Myers was on Twitter, when someone asked if we were getting O'Neill he said "Which one?". They replied Martin and he said No. There might be some legs in it.

Eddie Dunn
274 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:07:32
Surely that fact that Unsy hasn't been given the job until the end of the season has undermined his authority with this group of players. He has the likes of Baines and Jags, and Coleman on his side (presumably), and one would expect that Rooney too would back him given their history. Then his young lads will be on his side.

However, we then have the Koeman signings. Many will be simply waiting to see who the new boss will be, and therefore not quite buying in to what Unsworth wants. We had the training ground incident with Schneiderlin and Mirallas being chastised, the Vlasic disappearance from view. Add to this Rooney's community service and marital affairs being all over the gossip columns and you have a smorgasbord of egos, to balance out, without any real clout to manage the situation.

The new man really needs to be a respected manager , with the authority and resources to sort out what is undeniably a complete shambles.

Daniel A Johnson
275 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:25:28
O'Neill... why not Dyche?

Dyche must've offended Kenwright or something...

Ray Robinson
276 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:30:14
The new manager has got his work cut out re-building shattered confidence, that's clear, but equally important is the role of the crowd, as demonstrated by the fightback against Watford. It's little wonder that some players shrink away from performing when they can hear some of the abuse directed at them from the stands.

I can't stand lack of effort from a player – which is the only time I can tolerate abuse – but some of the vitriol directed at certain players would be enough to make Messi crawl into his shell.

A new manager is vital but just as essential is a bear-pit atmosphere in support of the team.

Danny Baily
277 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:32:07
My only concern with Martin O'Neill would be that he has been out of club management for a while. Over the course of five years, David Moyes has gone from the top of his game to looking like a relic from a different era, and he's been in club management for the majority of that time.

However, if O'Neill is still up to speed with the Premier League, I'd have no issue with his appointment.

Tony Dove
278 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:38:51

I agree and O'Neill would be the ultimate nightmare appointment. If this is more than just another rumour then I suspect the influence of the dreadful Walsh is behind it. Has that man not caused enough damage already?

Andy Osborne
279 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:40:08
I hope it is Silva. We are not glamorous enough at the moment to attract a named manager, so we need to find an up and coming one. Just a thought about Unsworth. He's been given a shit task and is not doing too bad.

Under Koeman, our league points average per game was 0.88. Under Unsworth it is 1.3 per game. If we beat Southampton tomorrow it will be up to 1.75 points per game. That's a 66 point season. If he gets that out of the team he inherited, that would be almost unbelievable.

Sean Grady
280 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:41:41
Unfortunately having supported Everton since birth, god help me, I think we really need to take a good luck at ourselves.

Management appointment aside, the old boys network at this club needs to stop and I think is the reason, or one of them, that we constantly sit in this situation. I mean who was in charge of the U23s last night against Liverpool? Yes the good old fox in the box never successful, money chasing Franny Jeffers.

And we seem to keep giving these underachievers positions within the hierarchy.

Kenwright, Ferguson, all of them it needs to be cleared out and we need to start again. The culture of the entire club needs to change, and if Moshiri cant do it we are truly doomed.

Rob Dolby
281 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:57:45
I don't believe Moshiri has a 3-man shortlist. Football-wise I don't think he has a clue what he is doing with us.

I wouldn't be surprised if we are in this same position next week. His rhetoric through Jim White is absolute bollocks making him look more stupid with every exclusive.

I would be happier if Joe Royle was involved in picking a manager as he knows the situation and the club.

James Newcombe
282 Posted 25/11/2017 at 11:58:16
Unless you have genuine inside information or see someone getting out of a car at Finch Farm, I don't understand betting on football managers. Surely you're just guessing, or going off whatever Sky Sports News say. Skybet must be raking it in.
James Stewart
283 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:03:06
I don't want any international managers, not O'Neill, not Coleman, not any of them. International football is a joke.

All this "3-man shortlist" rubbish is a joke if we are looking at people like AVB and Rangnick. Rangnick isn't even a manager, for fuck's sake,he is their Director of Football.

If Silva won't come, screw him. He'll be sacked at the end of the season anyway. Give it to Dyche and lets move on.

Oliver Brunel
284 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:13:54
Silva will be the next manager, they were rebuffed but Watford are owned by a bunch of dodgy people whose only objection is the amount of money they will get in compo. I heard they were asking for £15-20M?!

I wouldn't be so upset by O'Neill/Keane though. We need tough medicine. Players shouldn't be 'enjoying' training. It should be nasty, brutish and short.

Shane Corcoran
285 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:16:31
I've not read all the comments lads but let's not pay any attention to the bookies on this one. We've had all sorts of prices. Allardyce was 1/5 FFS. When did you ever see a price like that didn't win?

I've had to suffer watching our national team under O'Neill for four years and listen to his appalling post-match interviews. He shouldn't be let near a team that likes to do the basics of control the ball and pass to a person wearing the same colour shirt. He basically tells his players that they're no good and best to try get a few set-pieces which we might score from. Maybe with better players he won't do that but I couldn't bear it.

I've no idea who I'd like to take over at this stage as our team looks like a team going down. But O'Neill is the answer to low crowds and low quality football.

Paul Birmingham
286 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:29:37
The bull-hyped media and Sky I don't follow as, in association with EFC, they are mostly miles from reality and full of blight.

I hope and hope it is not O'Neill nor O'Neill plus Roy Keane. For me it would be hard to stomach after a life time of mainly anguish and let downs with EFC.

I'll have to go to church and pray as in some previous life or what ever it is, the angst with EFC can't carry on.

Let's see what happens by Monday teatime and what path the club is planning.

Brian Harrison
287 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:31:31

Absolutely agree. I listened to the comments of Niall Quinn and another ex player whose name escapes me at the moment and both slaughtered his tactics against Denmark. One of them called it clueless and the other said it was crazy to play the way they did.

James Marshall
288 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:38:46
Moshiri has business acumen and money, but that doesn't mean he has a clue how to run a football club. I think that's becoming crystal clear, and one of the main reasons Bill thought he'd be a good fit for Everton.

Sad but true.

Martin O'Neill, my arse.

Jack Convery
289 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:38:51
Do you think Evertonians were in a previous life a bunch of evil bastards and we're getting punished in spades in this lifetime? If parallel universes do exist I do hope there's one were EFC are the tops but somehow I doubt it.

Martin O'Neill – Not for me – yesterday's man. I hope this is a tactic to bring Watford back to the table for fear of losing the chance to grab £15 - 20m without breaking sweat. Especially as there are people like Pulis and Pardew about at the moment.

Linda Morrison
290 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:42:35
All this mess is leaving the club a laughing stock. Unsworth was not given the courtesy of being pre warned about the "imminent appointment". I don't know how Morishi managed to make all his money as he acts like a foolish love struck teenager at times. He should learn to keep his mouth shut until there is something actual to be announced.

I'm at the couldn't care less stage now as it has gone on too long, just like the search for a striker.

Any fan who thinks the club are not in trouble needs to take a close look at the table.

Colin Glassar
291 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:45:09
It's called karma, Jack. If anyone has it, and it's producing negative vibes at Goodison, it has to be Boys Pen Bill.

I bet he was Nero in his former life and we are being punished cos he was fiddling while Rome burnt.

Steve Ferns
292 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:48:17
Jack, don't forget what other fans have been through.

Man City dropped to the third tier after years of war with their owner;
Nottingham Forest went from European Champions (twice) to the third tier;
Sheff United were also down in the third tier (former League Champs);
Sheff Weds also, they're one of England's traditionally biggest clubs;
Aston Villa won the European Cup more recently than Forest and they're in the Championship right now .

It goes on, but the point is, we haven't got it worst. Only last season we regained the mantle we have enjoyed as "best of the rest" for most of this century. Sure, we expect more and we demand more, and we were promised more. And that's why it hurts so much right now.

Oliver Brunel
293 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:54:03
One of the problems Usmanov faces now is that the brand is clearly diminishing from an already low ebb. The Atalanta home game, even though it was a dead rubber, showed how large swathes of Evertonians are now alienated. I didnt even watch the Atalanta game.

Usmanov knows this so I doubt they will appoint a 'low key' Allardyce, O'Neill type – it's bad for the brand.

Football is about branding. It looks comical at the moment though, really amateurish from top to bottom. The only person laughing in this theatre of the absurd though is Kenwright. Safe and secure in his fortune churning plaything.

Shane Corcoran
294 Posted 25/11/2017 at 12:58:44
Brian #287, it's probably Keith Andrews you're thinking of. He was on Sky that night. You can add Liam Brady, Eamon Dunphy, Didi Hamann, Damien Duff and any right-thinking individual who watched the game.

We're getting plenty of "what do you expect, Barcelona?" type shite too but the minimum I expect is to encourage players to play. They do it for their clubs.

Another beauty that O'Neill has in his armoury is only telling the players the line-up an hour and a half before kick-off. Genius.

Dennis Stevens
295 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:00:04
This imminent appointment seems to be taking forever – will a victory tomorrow see Unsworth confirmed in post on Monday? I don't think it's Moshiri's preference, but he seems to be making no headway in finding an alternative that he's happy with. At some point, he has to give it up, in the hope we can survive the season with the aim to rekindle the quest for a long term appointment next summer.

To let the process drag on without resolution becomes detrimental to an already abjectly poor situation & is grossly unfair all round – not least the Caretaker Manager, who will look increasingly hapless if he's left in post but not confirmed in post.

None of which is going to enhance our chances of gaining the necessary points to survive – which is all that really matters for this season.

Colin Glassar
296 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:00:30
Oliver, he might go for a short term fix so the likes of O'Neill, Big Sam, Warnock etc... might make sense to him. Survival first, expansion second.

ps, I'm dreading any of that bunch.

Oliver Brunel
297 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:04:19
Dennis (#295), after Atalanta, we can't take that risk. They won't appoint Unsworth. He has no top flight experience and he doesn't offer anything mercurial.

There is a power struggle with Koeman wanting a yes-man whilst Moshiri is looking at the bigger picture. However, history tells us that neither are fit to make this huge decision.

Steve Ferns
299 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:27:03
The only way Unsworth can get it, even until the end of the season is if we win tomorrow, and Everton then back off on Watford. Then we win on Wednesday and they wait for Huddersfield and then we win there. Three wins and Unsworth will get to the end of the season. Lose or draw and Watford will be offered whatever they want.
Len Hawkins
301 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:30:46
Jack #289

I wondered why when watching Gladiator I got a tilt in my kilt when Crispy ones were thrown to the lions.

Three man Shortlist A Commanding Centre Half A Free scoring Centre Forward A good Left Back.

Had to laugh at Have I got News for You saying Kenwright should be in charge of Brexit he only spent £150 million and had Everton out of Europe in 3 months.

Jack Convery
302 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:32:54
Who needs Emmerdale, Eastenders et al when you have EFC entertaining the country – apart from us, the emotional shareholders, aka fans, aka mugs.
Dennis Stevens
303 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:38:08
Well, if they don't confirm Unsworth in post soon, performances are likely to get even worse – yes, I know: "How's that even possible?!"

Assuming Unsworth is clearly not the man they want, they really owe to him, the players, and all of us to make the appointment pronto. Even if it's one of the old lags, like Jones, O'Neill or Strachan until season's end. I'd rather see some imagination used – appoint in hope rather than desperation, but above all: appoint somebody!

Paul Tran
304 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:40:46
I'm not convinced about an announcement in the next couple of days. Only two days since I read a sensible quote stating that it's best to say nothing till we had news. Now we're 'close' to an appointment, which sounds to me like the regular empty quote from Moshiri when his back's to the wall.

He's learning how to play with his train set. One step forward, three back.

Steve Ferns
305 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:43:25
Agreed Dennis. I back Unsworth, but I also think he's been a little selfish. I think he has gone for the win in games to try and get the job when he should have gone for the draw. His teams have been a lot more attacking than they would have been if the job was his and he was being judge at the end of the season not purely on whether or not he won.

Everton should go to Southampton tomorrow and park the bus and come home with a 0-0. Then we should be beating West Ham and Huddersfield at home. Unsworth will send the team all out for the win. He's looking to land knockout blows because the board have not allowed him any stability. They could have just lied and said it was his job until January whilst trying to get someone in now.

Dennis Stevens
306 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:45:46
That's my concern, Paul. Having set an expectation, Moshiri has to deliver on it.

If Unsworth was their man there'd be no need to say an announcement was imminent, they could just make the announcement. Consequently, his position has been unnecessarily undermined, but he's still expected to carry on regardless & try to get some points on the board.

It's all very amateur hour stuff.

Paul McIntyre
307 Posted 25/11/2017 at 13:48:56
I wonder whether it's a ploy to send a message to likes of Silva or Dyche that, if they want the job, they need to make a play now to get themselves released by their clubs.
Daniel A Johnson
308 Posted 25/11/2017 at 14:08:37
The way Moshiri speaks to Jim White shows all you need to know about our new owner and the way he runs the club. He's a billionaire and I'm a nobody, but I'm 100% sure he doesn't know how to run a football club or communicate with its fans.

It arrogant to think you can coast through the season with no manager and just take your time. He's playing Russian Roulette with our future and Premier League status. He will probably argue that its best to take a few more weeks rather than make a panic appointment but when you are associated with a premiership no mark in Marco Silva and dinosaurs such as Allardyce & Martin O'Neill you have to ask does he even know what he's actually doing?

Sean Dyche and Michael O'Neill are currently the best managers available. We should be talking to them about a 2-3 year deal.

Soren Moyer
309 Posted 25/11/2017 at 14:12:49
I bet the next name they pull out of the hat will be Craig Shakespeare or Mike Phelan!
Chris Jenkins
310 Posted 25/11/2017 at 14:19:05
I agree totally with Colin [296] – the focus now has to be purely on survival – nothing else is relevant at this point.

I'd like to see the football equivalent of Eddie Jones, England RFU manager appointed- too many trouble makers amongst the squad viz Mirallis, Schneiderlin immediately spring to mind – an Eddie Jones equivalent would send clowns like these packing and ensure, as far as humanly possible, that any new signings pass basic character assessments.

All this talk about Marco Silva baffles me –unless I've missed something what has he actually achieved?Surely the antics of the last two managers should serve as a warning about foreign coaches, very much in the "here today, gone tomorrow when something better comes along" – there was even talk of Frank de Boer before Koeman was appointed – heaven forbid.

After 45 years of supporting Everton, I have honestly never witnessed such a shambles in the direction of the club. I don't think that Moshiri will hang about if we get relegated although he's smart enough to have already ensured he gets his "investment" back if the unthinkable happens. Then there will be a financial catastrophe.

I would be more than happy with a relatively unfashionable manager who can get us out of this dreadful mess- someone along the lines of Derek McInnes of Aberdeen or Chris Wilder of Sheffield United or Neil Warnock of Cardiff City, who, like Eddie Jones, would weed out the trouble making coterie we've been landed with and tolerate no nonsense from the remainder.

Make no mistake, we are in real trouble – our 63 successive seasons in the top flight may well be coming to an end if common sense does not prevail – the focus must be on survival!

Christy Ring
311 Posted 25/11/2017 at 14:37:58
Shane @294,

I can't listen to Dunphy or Brady. Eamon was Trapp's biggest critic, but was one of the reasons he got the job ahead of Venables. Liam was in his backroom team, and defended him too the last for not playing Eamon"s god child 'Wes', and slated O'Neill for not playing him.

I'm not a fan of O'Neill, never was, and cannot understand, how the fuck he's now favourite, after losing 5-1 to Denmark, especially when his tactics were clueless. Who is in Moshiri's ear ?

Barry Williams
312 Posted 25/11/2017 at 14:45:44
Kim Vivian - 255

Couldn't agree more!

Dave Lynch
313 Posted 25/11/2017 at 14:52:28
Know what!

I've past caring, I realy couldn't give a fuck anymore.

Just go ahead and employ the next journeyman loser.

Paul A Smith
314 Posted 25/11/2017 at 15:11:16
The Guardian reporting today Steve Walsh is under pressure. That PE teacher has played a blinder. The Vardy - Kante - Mahrez yawn yawn yawn story has run its cause and everyone is realising he is struggling at the bigger level.

Chelsea let him go and I can't remember them missing him. No emotion from Leicester either to be fair.

James Stewart
315 Posted 25/11/2017 at 15:14:23
@305 "Unsworth will send the team all out for the win. He's looking to land knockout blows"

Re: Against Palace and Atalanta, what knockout blows did Unsworth try and land exactly? I must have missed those.

Vs Palace it was backs to the wall, we barely laid a glove on them. Atalanta, we had a right back, playing left back, who can't even play right back, a back 4 could be observed yes, but in front of them no pundit could work out what formation we were playing. A total shambles.

You then say we should be going to Southampton to get a 0-0. Surely that kind of ethos should be led by Moyes, the grandmaster of try and nick one.

We are worse under Unsworth than Koeman, which is quite a pathetic and embarrassing feat. Under no circumstances should he get the job.

Christy Ring
316 Posted 25/11/2017 at 15:37:54
James @315 Koeman is the reason, we are in a relegation battle, not Unsworth, who inherited a shit squad, and the reason Martina was left back, was because Baines is the only left back we have. Koeman didn't buy a left back, which was a disgrace, and he never registered Garbutt.
Steve Ferns
317 Posted 25/11/2017 at 15:49:14
Christy, And he shipped out Galloway who would not need to be registered and could play in the Premier League and in Europe. He might not be doing too well right now, but he's better than Martina at left back for me, and the guy who looked decent 2 years ago for Martinez could surely be rediscovered.

James, just because we are failing to land any knockout blows, or we are throwing punches without the power needed, doesn't mean we aren't doing them. Teams have been sent out to win, not to draw. You only have to look at the formations to see that.

Everton is like an oil tanker heading for some rocks, it takes a bit of time to turn the ship around. You can't expect instant success. It takes time.

Also how can Unsworth fix things? You talk about the formation, he must be able to work on Formations in training right? only when you add in all the recovery and match preparation days, with 2 games a week, how many days does Unsworth actually get for actual training of the players to work on formations, defensive shape, tempo, defensive line, pressing, etc etc.

People want Allardyce for what he did at Sunderland and Palace. He took 8 games to get Palace going. that was 8 games in 6 weeks. Not 8 games in 4 weeks. Allardyce had time to get Palace and fly off to Dubai for a week's warm weather training. Unsworth would love that amount of time with his players. No new manager will get that until January 13th. We get a week between Tottenham and West Brom, the first full week between games of the season. Don't mention international breaks, we played Palace on the Saturday and players like Mirallas arrived back on the Friday, too late for training as well. So when oh when does Unsworth get the time to make things better?

Joe McMahon
318 Posted 25/11/2017 at 16:03:58
Watford currently 2 up at Newcastle, no way would Silva leave to come to a relegation contender (again after Hull).

Kim and Barry I've saw Motorhead in 88 and they may me half deaf and I've seen many loud noise such as NIN and Marilyn Manson.

Finally, that picture of Michael Keane that keeps showing on ToffeeWeb, he looks like Liberace. Maybe we should have gone for Ben Mee, who I do think is the better player.

To think it's come to this, 2017 bottom 3 - 5 and Martin O'Neill as manager. This is why I never taken the piss out of Liverpool FC, as Everton FC always shoot themselves in the foot.

Steve Ferns
319 Posted 25/11/2017 at 16:10:24
Joe Watford are a selling club, he cannot build there, Richarlison will be sold for big money in the summer and they'll sign the next one (with their network they will find them) so why stay there when he can go somewhere else and triple his salary and build a proper side.
Mark Stone
320 Posted 25/11/2017 at 16:10:29
Peter #264 I've had a look at the polls. Martinez was second favourite behind Laudrup. Koeman was third favourite behind Mourinho (lovely idea but deluded) and De Boer. The reality is a combined 43% of Everton fans polled wanted De Boer or Koeman. Both of whom we now know, are shite.

And it's not just about the polls, because you could only choose one. Look at the actual comment around the time. A lot of people listed several names, and lots wanted either Bilic, De Boer or Koeman. I'd take Moyes, Allardyce or O'Neill over any of them.

William Cartwright
321 Posted 25/11/2017 at 16:17:42
There are so many opinions on ToffeeWeb right now, and that's fair enough, but the questioning mentality seems to have been taken over by the "opinionaters" if you will.

Let's face it, no one on the outside really knows what is going on, but from the recent history of largely inconsistent and directionless events I think the Board can be seen to have done the following since Moshiri's arrival.

They have invested heavily in the squad, the ground and in the management team. Fair play and thanks for that.

They have acted firmly to get rid of Martinez (as we all wanted) and they found his replacement which at the time seemed the big name character to address the challenge.

In his first season, Ronald did many stupid, and many not so stupid things. In reality we achieved the holy grail of European Football, and along the way he retained Lukaku, and took a personal interest in the challenge called Ross Barklay. On the surface, last season was not too bad. We were on the up so to speak.

Behind the scenes all was probably not rosy and Schneiderlin joined us, only after a public plea for action by Ronald. We were all very pleased with his quality of play last season and Barry to West Brom seemed a suitable move.

I cannot understand or assume what went wrong with Ronald's subsequent strategic thinking; I can only feel very angry at the way it has all panned out. However, I suspect his arrogance and general miserable demeanor coupled with the lack of structure in the close season activities have all combined to his what seemed to be a sod-it approach. If he was let down by Kenwright et al over the striker and defender key positions then I have some sympathy for him...

What we are now seeing is the new manager appointment scenario playing out in a similar weird and behind closed doors fashion. It suggests all is not right behind those closed doors and it might be that Unsy is an unwitting central pawn between Kenwright and Moshiri?

Just as a dog can't have two masters, so a business cannot have two simultaneous strategic business plans which are at odds with each other. Something has to give. Moshiri with the largest personal shareholding you would think will be calling the shots, but the terms of his buy-in to the Club may have been loaded with caveats and riders, giving Kenwright considerable managerial decision making power, even if perhaps only in a negative way, such as the right to delay or veto...

Unsy will be treated respectfully and well, whatever the outcome, as he deserves to be. But his task may be even more daunting than we realize given the politics around the situation.

Moshiri's vision for Everton is that of the club buying its success in a relatively short time frame along a business model plan, and with little time for romantic notions, ie, the infamous 'museum' comment and the willingness to let Ross depart. Kenwright may even be feeling that he is in a way protecting the Club and its new owner from themselves? If such a set of fraught circumstances are at play, then the future does not look rosy. Unsy being (I suspect) Kenwright's man will only get so far, which is a pity.

How much longer, or deeper this cultural split at boardroom level will impact at playing level I don't know, but players and coaches and managers are not stupid. Sub-plots of alliances and allegiances will come and go, Everton will carry on, but unless and until the Board get their act together, which ever one it is, Everton will continue to drift, possibly into the Championship, no matter which manager is in charge.

Sam Hoare
322 Posted 25/11/2017 at 16:31:02
I really want Silva but seems unlikely now. Unless we get a short term fix and try for him this Summer.
William Cartwright
323 Posted 25/11/2017 at 16:35:59
Question: What is Michael Laudrup doing now?
Christy Ring
324 Posted 25/11/2017 at 17:02:48
Would love to see Silva leave Watford on a high, just dreaming. Why is Dyche completely gone off the radar? Chris Hughton doing a great job at Brighton, all a class above O'Neill.
Neil Cremin
325 Posted 25/11/2017 at 17:21:19
I actually think Silva could well be the new Pochettino. Look at the result today at Newcastle against one of the managers suggested here. Big names are not always the best. We want someone who pays attention to detail, organises the team and bring a bit of belief back.

Not a great fan of O'Neill and don't want him but the vile written in this thread way off line. He achieved a lot with a limited bunch of players, hard to beat except the last match. But who are we to talk when we also lost 1-5. Let's keep thinks in perspective.

Any other options being suggested outside Silva at the moment is a gamble.

Shane Corcoran
326 Posted 25/11/2017 at 17:23:53
Christy #311, I'm not sure how Dunphy could have had anything to do with the FAI appointing a manager. He's over the top but that shouldn't mask that his general point is usually bang on. I was happy with Trapp's appointment. Nobody could have known the shite he'd serve up.

Brady is a contradiction given that he wouldn't criticise Trapp in any way even though he knew it was pure dung.

The O'Neill story is crap I reckon. It'll be someone else next week and until a manager is appointed.

Mark Tanton
327 Posted 25/11/2017 at 17:33:26
Even though I’ve been saying he’s coming... A 0-3 away win is hardly the performance of a team that doesn’t know if its manager is coming or going does it? He’s also talking afterwards about preparing for Man Utd next.
Kim Vivian
328 Posted 25/11/2017 at 17:41:57
Swan song, Mark. And he's got to talk like that. He can hardly not with that fixture just 3 days away (Tuesday) and I can't see him jacking it in before that game. That would be very disrespectful to Watford.

If we get an announcement before Weds, it won't be Silva. But it could be on Wednesday with Silva sitting alongside Unsy at Goodison on Wednesday evening. Or (the mind cringes) alongside Bill in his nest with Moshiri.

Sid Logan
329 Posted 25/11/2017 at 17:51:09
Martin O'Neill was favourite just before Roberto got the boot. Some bookies went as far as to say O'Neill was "nailed on".

I don't like him and don't want him and I still believe we'll get Silva because: 1 He wants the job; and 2) Moshiri wants him.

But if the worst comes to the worst his win rate 50.91% is better than most of other names bandied around except for Silva 53.78%. Obviously win rates need to be considered in the context of time scale!

Joseph Edwards
330 Posted 25/11/2017 at 17:56:08
I like Unsworth and what he's done at under 23 level but please, let's put this "Unsy for manager" nonsense to bed. Unsworth has made the same mistakes as Koeman made both Tactically and selection wise, isolated player (Vlasic) , his record is as bad and he's rotated more players in the games he's been in charge than soft Joe. The Atalanta game is definitive proof that he is no where near experienced enough to manage Everton (at this moment in time).

The frightening fact is that there is no one out there who is currently available who can make a halfpenney's worth of difference to such an unbalanced squad and until the January window we are going to have to ride our luck with the shite we have and then pay massively over the odds for more journeymen to plug the holes. For me I would go for Vermaelen and Evans to shore up the back four and pay through the nose for Dzeko, Demba Ba, or even Defoe, and hope Ross and Bolasie can make an impact.

Christy Ring
331 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:04:13
Shane #326, I know he had no influence in the FAI appointing Trapp, but he was constantly advocating him on RTE, and his column, at the time, and criticising Venables.

As for being bang on, I think he talks a lot of shite, he makes Wes out to be world class (a squad player at Norwich), detests Keane, a hero when he wrote his book, and said PlatinI was only a 'good player', and said Ronaldo was crap.

I hope your right about O'Neill, because I cannot see what he has done, to be even a candidate.

Shane Corcoran
332 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:12:31
Christy, like I said, were most the country not happy to get Trapp?

He exaggerates Wes but he's 100% right when he says that Hoolahan transforms the team when he's on the pitch regardless of what age he is or what club he's at.

He doesn't like Keane and he once liked him. I don't see that as a problem. I once liked O'Neill but can't stand him now. The Ronaldo stuff was embarrassing alright.

Ian Lang
335 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:15:37
Any blue noses at the game and remember when Norman Whiteside absolutely volleyed the ball out on the half way line for a throw-in and it twated the linesman full on in the face knocking him off his feet and out for about 10 mins? I was in the Street End but can't remember the team we were playing, anyone on here know?
Joe Foster
337 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:26:45
I don't believe they have anyone lined up.
Ian Riley
338 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:27:03
The lack of urgency in the appointment of a manager is astonishing! The next three games southampton, west ham and huddersfield could be the most crucial in our survival. That's what we are in, a battle to stay in the league and five weeks ago we sack koeman.

Get the manager in tonight or now. What the hell are we waiting for? Please don't say need time getting right manager. Five weeks. Advert and interviewing takes less than this! We are in crisis on the pitch and let's be honest there are no guarantees of staying up who ever we get.

John Keating
339 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:29:51
Does it really matter who the manager is ? We could get anyone in tomorrow and they'd have massive problems, be it Mourinho, Pochettino, Dyche, Allardyce, Ancelotti. They would only have the dross we presently have at present and come January we could only get overpriced failures from other Clubs.

The only issue for the Board should be who can they get in order to keep us up this season. Who is the best man manager to get somefuckingthing out of this lot.

Unsworth was always a very risky chance and without doubt he does not deserve any slagging we are still as bad today as we were when Koeman was here. We don't have time to piss about with long term plans and playing attacking football. We need points on the board and never mind how we get them as long as we get them.

Woy will definitely get Palace moving, the pace in their team will do lots of teams. Moyes for all his faults will get West Ham harder to beat. Bournemouth, Swansea, West Brom have all been there before and know what's needed to dig themselves out, they have the players to scrap. I really fear for us but whoever comes in will have to find a way of working with the shower we presently have. God help him.
Andy Crooks
341 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:32:21
Oliver, pack it in; it's fucking tedious and witless.
Colin Glassar
342 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:33:01
Stavros Flately is now odds on favourite to be our next manager. Cypriot born Flately, 44, said to the Echo reporter “I've been on a diet since yesterday after I received the call from Chairman Bill and I've been playing Everton on my sons Xbox all day. This is definitely the best thing that's happened to me since being on BGT”.

Flately is expected to name his son, 16-year-old Aristotle, as his assistant manger.

Dermot Byrne
343 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:41:31
Ian "the lack of urgency in the appointment of a manager is astonishing"

To me that thought is vital. Moshiri knows he messed up with last one. Bet he gets it right next time.

To rush because fans get the jitters may be silly.

Pray so.

Eugene Ruane
344 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:51:32
Any (new) 'gaffer' going to a club that has just sacked a manager, can (without knowing exactly what's gone on before his arrival) make the assumption that the previous boss, for whatever reason/s, was unable to motivate the side.

And will naturally think "but if I can motivate them.." (ripple dissolve - montage of trophies, titles, hookers, cash etc).

The problem we have is even if we brought in The Amazing Kreskin (one for the teenagers there), his mental powers wouldn't be able to do much about our lack of pace, lack of physical strength and the fact we have the most limited choice of strikers I can remember.

I'd actually be (sort of) encouraged if I thought our players hadn't been trying, because it would mean they could..um..start to.

But even the other night, I can't say I honestly say I saw lack of effort or not arsed, just lack of a planning/organisation/muscles/pace/strikers.

Anyway, I intend to tackle my concern the old-fashioned way.

Off to the pub.

Up the TofffuckinBASTARDSTHELOTOFYERZ!!! (kicks table over).

Kim Vivian
345 Posted 25/11/2017 at 18:59:57
Anyone who was angling for Bakayoko, he seems to be having a stinker tonight from what I've seen.
Dave Lynch
346 Posted 25/11/2017 at 19:00:40
Bloody hell, Eugene. Kreskin? I remember bunking off school to watch him, he was on most weekdays in the afternoon.

I was besotted with him, in a good way I might add.

Brian Hennessy
348 Posted 25/11/2017 at 19:19:42
Having watched every single minute of Martin O'Neill's reign as Ireland manager, I just can't believe he could get the Everton job. The man is clueless.

I didn't want Moyes back, I didn't want Koeman, I didn't want big Sam but I would take any of them before O'Neill. Please don't let this be true

Brian Hennessy
349 Posted 25/11/2017 at 19:25:17
My only explanation for O'Neill's odds shortening is that it is being driven by large scale betting from a group of Irish fans hoping to push O'Neill's name forward in order to get rid of him.
Joseph Edwards
350 Posted 25/11/2017 at 19:25:26
Martin O'Neill, I mean come on? Is this not the wanker that kept picking McCarthy when he was injured? No doubt he would include Ross and Funes Mori in his first squad.
Dennis Stevens
351 Posted 25/11/2017 at 19:26:14
Tbh, I don't understand why anybody, other than an Evertonian, would take this job on at the moment, unless they're one of the old lags on the British managerial merrygoround seeking a big pay day. This squad must be the ultimate poisened chalice!
Jackie Barry
352 Posted 25/11/2017 at 20:06:12
Blimey if we are going to go for the likes of O’neil I would have rather gone after Chris Coleman, but he’s no longer available. Hopefully this is just to make somebody force a move, right now I would take Dyche as Unsy is not working, we need an outsider to give these lot a kick up the backside!
Jay Woods
353 Posted 25/11/2017 at 20:12:09
O'Neill is intelligent but that's no defence against stupidity and in terms of football management, he's as thick as two short planks.
Ian Riley
354 Posted 25/11/2017 at 20:20:49
Dermot (#343). The right appointment. Is there one? Experience premiership manager, manager with no premiership experience or out of the game for a while. We are in the smelly stuff heading to the busiest time of the year for games coming thick and fast.

What are we looking for? Stability or the project. At present it's the get us out of this mess. It's going to be a long hard season. I actually don't think this squad is capable of putting three wins together.

The form we have been in since February has been poor and yet no one on the board saw this coming. You may be right in not rushing but the season will carry on. Hope your right.

Colin Glassar
355 Posted 25/11/2017 at 20:40:46
Kreskin would have made a great manager. I remember when he once had an audience barking and meowing like mad. He had great dress sense as well.
Gerry Ring
356 Posted 25/11/2017 at 20:45:07
We should enquire about Chris Hughton & get him to bring Shane Duffy with him. Better than all our central defenders. Regarding MO'N hopefully not.

There's a great story about O'Neill when Clough dropped him & he was playing for the reserves. O'Neill questioned the decision & asked Clough why he was playing with the reserves. Clough replied, “Because you're too good for the 3rd team.”

Paul Kossoff
357 Posted 25/11/2017 at 20:53:20
Martin O'Neill is supposedly bringing in Everton fan fave Royston Keane! At least he will kick these lazy gets up the arse and knock them spark out if they don't perform.
Steve Ferns
358 Posted 25/11/2017 at 20:56:19
Paul, Is that what he did against Denmark?
Paul Kossoff
359 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:01:56
I've loved O'Neill even since he ripped Robbie Williams a new one at the France World Cup, live on the Beeb.

"You can't sing, you don't write your own songs, you can't play an instrument, no, no, I admire you for what you have achieved considering!"

Robbie was gone the next time the camera panned back to his chair. Imagine what he will say to our sorry bunch of loafers!

Mike Dolan
360 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:03:00
O'Neill is a good manager. He brings a lot of passion and nous and his record is as good as most of the other names mentioned. I just hope this fuck up of a process can be completed quickly, it was the dopiest move ever replacing Koeman during the season without having a qualified replacement to take over. Never stray from your plan... just dumb. The results under Unsworth bare this out .

Whoever takes over needs to be able to communicate with the players and the fans to keep the heat off our rather fragile group of players. There is absolutely no leadership on the field so that has to come from the sidelines. He's going to have to work to get the crowd back.

Paul Kossoff
361 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:04:19
No Steve, he nutted O'Neill though!😁
Steve Ferns
362 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:04:47
Joe O'Brien
363 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:08:37
Anyone hear Dyche's press conference yesterday? He was saying that Arsenal didn't start they're fancy passing football at the start when Wenger took over they were a lot like Burnley.. he was saying it takes time to develop into that type of team... Kinda suggesting that Burnley will become that type of team.

Sounded to me that he was talking to our board. Highlighting his credentials for the job. That at the moment he's direct but wants to evolve into more of a passing team.

Steve Ferns
364 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:16:11
I wouldn’t choose Dyche. But I wouldn’t cry about it. If he’s another Moyes and delivers consistent top 8 finishes but only once into the CL, then that’s an improvement and after a few years we can move on.
Joe O'Brien
365 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:27:37
I don't really want him either but that press conference was very interesting to listen to. It made me think twice about him. I'm a lot more positive about him after it. I wonder did it make our decision makers think twice also.

Still want Silva tho... but if that doesn't happen I'd take Sean. Definitely it's a no no no to O'Neill... I'm Irish and I can't stand him. Don't rate him at all. Negative football.

James Owen
366 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:37:43
Would agree with Joe [365]. I'm Irish as well and anyone who had the misfortune to sit through the Irish World Cup qualifying games would know that signing him would be a disaster for the club. He would bring us down without a doubt.

His football is so negative and his ambitions limited. All his tactics seem to be playing without the ball, and if Ireland d happened to go 1-0 up in any game., he would defend for the rest of the game. Which meant sitting back and suffering wave after wave of attack by the opposition.

Ireland had one creative player, Wes Hoolihan, and he refused to play him. The last game against Denmark showed all O'Neill's weaknesses as manager.

He would be the antithesis of the kind of football that Everton fans aspire to, I think I would try to ignore proceedings if he were at the helm as it would just be too painful to watch.

Steve Ferns
367 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:43:10
I think I’m the same as you Joe. After watching a few of his earlier press conferences I saw an engaging and funny man who would be a good guy in the dressing room. He’s single minded and confident. He’s in charge. He’s clearly got an eye for detail too. He’d also get an easy ride with the press and therefore be under less pressure.

The big question remains over his long term evolution and the limit of his potential.

Mark McDonald
368 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:47:10
I think it shall be Silva. Moshiri has already made 2 bids. He wants his man and I think he shall get him even if it does come at a cost.

I also think the hold-up is with Watford wanting to have a manager in place to take over. Hopefully, this shall happen before the West Ham game if not then against Huddersfield.

Andre Villas-Boas, is interesting but possibly a smoke-screen but please, please, please no Martin O'Neill.

Neil Copeland
369 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:55:01
Dyche may be able to get the best out of Michael Keane, I think he would be the best option in terms of defensive set up. I cannot see him being short term, min of 3 years I would think. Is he capable of taking us into the top six? No idea personally but he would make us hard to beat and GP a fortress. Seems to get his teams fired up for the bigger games also with a string of impressive results against the top 6.

So far, IMO, there is no doubt that Silva's teams play better football but it is still very early for him in the Premier League. I appreciate that someone will take the leap of faith with him sooner or later and he may well be the next best thing but just not sure and seems to be a big gamble (his record at previous clubs is very impressive I know but none were in Premier League – other than Hull I mean). Having said all that as a season ticket holder I do not want to be watching the same turgid shite week in, week out and would prefer a footballing manager/coach.

It maybe that EFC needs to grow a set to realise top 4 ambitions and use managers to move forward in a series of steps (as Citeh did) almost regardless of the costs/emotions. Whilst that approach does not sit comfortably with me, if it moves us to the next level then so be it.

Whoever comes in has to stabilise us first then crank it up, if they succeed with the former and fail with the latter, then another change should be made. Martin O'Neill may well keep us up but I cannot see him taking us beyond that. Same comment applies to Unsworth. Dyche or Silva may well achieve both, the football would be better with Silva though. I would be happy with either Dyche or Silva even though the risks are high with whoever is appointed.

Nigel Munford
370 Posted 25/11/2017 at 21:56:55
So it’s AVB then? Could be worse.
Nigel Munford
371 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:00:30
Why would Silva want to come to us? They’ve just beaten the barcodes 0-3 and up to 8, I can’t see it to be honest. He’s building something there, he’d have to start all over with us.
Neil Copeland
372 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:05:42
Nigel, good point. It will depend how ambitious he is and whether or not he sees us as a truly big club. If he were to to come here and succeed he could probably manage just about anywhere he wants.
Brian Williams
373 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:05:55
Nigel. I believe it's not about where we are and where Watford are. It's about where both clubs want to be, and the potential that each have.

It's hard for us to see from the inside coz we're shite at the moment but the club (us) do genuinely want to challenge the top clubs and believe we eventually can.

I don't think even the Watford owners see that for their club. So it's about potential, about possibilities, about the future!

Steve Ferns
374 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:06:18
There’s the small matter of trebling his salary, and giving him the platform to push higher than Watford can reach.

It’s pretty obvious he wants to come.

Nigel Munford
375 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:07:47
Joe, so if Wenger did that at Arsenal why couldn’t Dyche do that at Burnley, why would he need to come here to do that. He’d be starting again. See previous post about Silva and Watford.
Steve Ferns
376 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:09:14
Brian you can also sum up Watford with their best player. Young Richarlison. Watford will gladly sell him in the summer to the highest bidder and pocket the cash. Therefore, it’s a pointless task developing these players because the best ones are just taken to market like fat cows. The pozzos are in this to make money, not to obtain glory.
Nigel Munford
377 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:09:15
Sorry, Steve, I still can't see it. But I guess money is everything.
Steve Ferns
378 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:10:52
Nigel. Also remember Watford have a different coach every season and sack them for getting promoted or finishing high. There’s no stability and no long term plan. Aside from selling players for profit.
Neil Copeland
379 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:11:14
Nigel, same answer as for Silva, ie, see posts 372, 373 and 374
Nigel Munford
380 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:12:20
Steve, isn’t that what we’ve been doing? Rom, Stones, even as far back as Rooney?
Nigel Munford
381 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:13:40
Should have added Martinez and Koeman to the sacking list.
Brian Williams
382 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:14:24
It's also about the natural order of things. I don't believe Watford believe they can upset or change that. I hope that Moshiri and Co do believe they can get us to where we once were, or thereabouts.
Nigel Munford
383 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:17:27
Brian, Steve and Neil, I hope Moshiri and Co have that belief, but at the moment I can't see a lot of difference between what we are doing and what Watford are doing. Selling good players and sacking managers.
Brian Williams
384 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:18:34
I can understand you feeling like that, Nigel.
Nigel Munford
385 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:20:33
Brian, doesn't every team in the Premier League dream of winning it? Or at least getting into Europe, Champions League or Europa League? After all, LCFC upset the apple cart. Or maybe that was a fluke.
Steve Ferns
389 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:22:01
Nigel, remember that Watford's greatest achievement is losing to us at Wembley. That doesn't make our top ten!

Silva wants to come because it's Everton. He knows how big the club is, he sampled the atmosphere twice, and he knows how much we have to spend and it's a better proposition than Watford, not for this season, but for beyond.

Nigel Munford
390 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:22:37
Brian, that’s the way the board makes you feel.
Brian Williams
391 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:23:30
I don't believe they do, mate, if they were honest. I believe there's only three maybe four clubs who genuinely believe they can win the title, despite what Leicester did.

There's more than those though who wouldn't admit they can't!

Neil Copeland
392 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:25:41
Me too, but I think the set up that Moshiri wants versus the Watford owners is very different and much longer term. I also think that Silva sees that too and Dyche for that matter. The attraction of joining a bigger club with a larger fan base etc etc will be a big draw.
Nigel Munford
393 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:26:36
Steve, isn’t that about history, not futures. It’s the hear and now that’s important surely, maybe he sees a brighter future at Watford?? I can see your points but given what’s happened over the last few seasons it’s hard to get gee’d up.
Brian Williams
394 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:31:09
Tell you what – if you see how Watford took The Geordie maggots apart today, us beating them is a minor miracle!!
Nigel Munford
395 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:31:57
I guess the last few months have not done anyone’s confidence any good as far as we are concerned. False dawns etc. Empty promisestt. But I’m still more optimistic than pessimistic guys, and thank you for your honest opinions and views it’s very refreshing.
Nigel Munford
396 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:32:54
Brian my colleague from Durham will be none to pleased with that result.
Jack Convery
397 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:34:00
I reckon we will bulldoze Goodison Park before the new stadium is under construction. then we will have 3 months of wondering where we will play out home fixtures before a decision is finally made. Think I'm mad.

Well how do you explain Selling Lukaku without a replacement lined up for definite? Koeman being sacked without a replacement being lined up for definite? Nah we could defo knock Goodison down without a home to go to – it's what EFC do so well – fuck things up on a mind-boggling scale.

Brian Williams
398 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:34:09
It could, and should have been six-nil at least.
Neil Copeland
399 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:34:25
Nigel, he may well do but I just can't see it because he is clearly ambitious and we represent a bigger and ultimately better challenge.
Joe O'Brien
400 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:37:16
Nigel, I think he sees as a much bigger club than Burnley. A bigger fan base than Burnley will ever have. An investor that is willing to put money into the club. An investor that wants to take us back to the top. Potentially a world class stadium getting built.

The potential of Everton over Burnley is huge. I think he can see that. He's looking down the line as opposed to this season.

Mike Hughes
401 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:37:23
Had a couple of drinks and the chippy was open.

I didn't get a good view but, a few places in front of me this bloke looked a lot like Gus Hiddink.

He ordered fish, chips and peas, vinegar, no salt (repeat NO salt) and a plastic fork. Nothing remarkable about that. But get this.

It was the way he said it – authoritative and commanding – like he really knew his own mind. And could influence others - because he got EXACTLY what he asked for and no messing about.

I thought to myself – that's the kind of bloke who knows how to sort a defence out. Once served, he left pretty swiftly like someone who has other higher things on his mind – like a meeting with Everton's board or something.

Call me impulsive if you like but I'm so convinced that I've just lashed out a full £1 each way on Hiddink at 12/1 with Paddy Power.

I think we're on for a top 5 finish this season!

Bring it on!

Neil Copeland
402 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:37:44
Jack 397, we can play at Stanley Park.
Neil Copeland
403 Posted 25/11/2017 at 22:43:19
Perhaps we can take Mordor back? On second thoughts... no scratch that, horrible thought, OMG. I will have nightmares now, how could I ever even think that? Got to stay awake now forever.
Colin Glassar
404 Posted 25/11/2017 at 23:00:48
Mike 401, I had fish and chips last night and I swear to god that one of my chips looked like Ancellotti. I was so impressed I couldn’t eat said chip and I have put it away in a shoebox. If Ancellotti takes charge I will sell that chip online to the highest bidder.
Stan Schofield
405 Posted 25/11/2017 at 23:23:26
It's likely that any manager who hasn't managed a club as big as ours, and hasn't been on the kind of salary offered here, would be interested in the job. Silva is just one of them.

Although we're having a rough patch, the likes of Watford are nowhere near where we generally are (averaging 58 points per season and an 8th placing), and their ambitions are nowhere near ours. So the for the likes of Silva, it's a major opportunity.

So when folks on ToffeeWeb ask why the hell would anybody come here, the answer is obvious, because most other clubs are not at our level. Despite the current rough patch. As they say, keep calm and carry on.

Colin Glassar
406 Posted 25/11/2017 at 23:29:42
Totally agree, Stan. It must be a dilemma for Silva as he knows this opportunity (to manage Everton) won't be there for much longer. He can't walk out on Watford but he must know that a mini dip in results could cost him his job at Vicarage Road.
Soren Moyer
407 Posted 25/11/2017 at 00:00:01
Strangely enough, Martin O'Neill is not being mentioned as a potential manager for WBA!! Not even by bookies.
Jay Harris
408 Posted 26/11/2017 at 00:14:52
Pardew is 10/1 on for the West Brom job, Soren, so it seems like a done deal.
Neil Copeland
409 Posted 26/11/2017 at 00:17:01
Soren, O'Neill is 25/1 on Skybet.
Frank Crewe
410 Posted 26/11/2017 at 00:20:01
See both Stoke and Newcastle lost again. They are only one and two points ahead of us. At this rate there may be more managers looking for work than we can shake a stick at.

Tony Everan
411 Posted 26/11/2017 at 00:22:50
Mike , Colin

I was in the chippy behind Martin Keown, the greedy bugger ordered 2 (yes, 2) steak and kidney puddings, chips and peas.

I was well impressed, me being a 1 pie weakling.

We could do with a 25-year-old Martin Keown in January.

Soren Moyer
412 Posted 26/11/2017 at 00:28:03
Thank god! I hope they get O'Neill!
Laurie Hartley
413 Posted 26/11/2017 at 01:03:49
Whoever ends up being the manager will have to command the respect of not only the players but also the Goodison crowd.

On my last visit to Goodison for the Spurs game, apart from the shambles on the pitch, the thing that I noticed was that the life seemed to have been sucked out of the fans.

That's what happens when your hopes are raised like in Martinez's and Koeman's first 2/3rds of a season only for them to be dashed.

It looks like David Unsworth isn't getting the gig so what I want is a no nonsense "someone", who knows what he's doing and can force both us and the players to back him out of respect for what he can do for the club.

Not because he is good looking or because he wears his jacket with the collar and lapels up.

We need a leader - someone who is scared of nobody or what his time at Everton will look like on his CV.

Someone who wants the job because it is a mountain to climb.

Someone who doesn't give a toss for Mourinho, Conte, Wenger, Klopp, Pochettino or any other sod including the chairman and majority shareholder.

Someone like this mongrel leader and his mate.

No prizes for guessing who the bloke on the horse is.

Tony Everan
414 Posted 26/11/2017 at 08:45:11
Laurie, Dyche is the mongrel. He doesn't give a shite for reputation. A few wins, a derby win, he would be embraced. We would progress.

I think he would see through players who weren't committed or pulling their weight. He would get us into an organised fighting unit.

He's not fashionable, not an Armani man. But at the moment he's the manager I would say could improve us.

How far he could take us is another matter. But he is young enough to have untapped potential. Especially when it comes to having top 6 financial resources.

Eddy Mason
415 Posted 26/11/2017 at 09:41:31
Martin O’Neill now odds on favourite. Unbelievable!
Tom Bowers
416 Posted 26/11/2017 at 09:50:17
Did any one seriously expect Unsy or anyone else to become the ''Messiah'' overnight after what Koeman left behind.

Miracles don't happen at Everton so let's not expect any just yet no matter who takes over.

Colin Glassar
417 Posted 26/11/2017 at 10:19:33
Now the Sunday Mirror is reporting on the rift (as I have for some time) between Kenwright and Moshiri.

This is a Rubicon moment for Everton. Do we cross it and get rid of ‘the Gang of Four' and become a properly run club or does Moshiri capitulate and let the club drift for another 20-odd years?

Phil Walling
418 Posted 26/11/2017 at 10:21:56
Looking back to O'Neill, who had lost his spark by the time he arrived at Villa, where he was invariably outflanked in terms of Finishing Place by Moyes, just demonstrates how Fanciful Farhad is so ignorant in his direction of Everton FC.

Lerner has always listed the Irishman's cavalier spending as the main reason for the money problems that led to his selling up and it would be ridiculous for our (sort of) owner to make the same mistake.

Perhaps the expected appointment of the O'Neill will not go through and, for Moshiri's sake as well as us Evertonians, he can then move on to his next balls-up!

Dennis Stevens
419 Posted 26/11/2017 at 10:27:40
Too right, Phil – we've had more than enough cavalier spending!
Stan Schofield
420 Posted 26/11/2017 at 10:43:24
Colin@417: I'm convinced the journos read fan sites, especially the good ones, like ToffeeWeb. Every time ToffeeWeb posts say something repeatedly, like a rift between Kenwright and Moshiri, soon after the press report it. So I'd be wary of that report you mentioned. It could be us reading what's already been said here.
Jay Woods
421 Posted 26/11/2017 at 10:46:06
Even our top man is a joke. Do you see Abramovich or Mansour going to the media and making idiots out of themselves?

We're a joke from top to bottom.

Even the kit is ridiculous. What next, a flower that squirts water in place of our badge? The players wearing foam red noses? Outsized boots?

And our new motto – in Latin: "iocus sumus" (we're a joke).

We need to decide if we're an ambitious professional football club or some kind of big, warm, friendly social organisation.

Neil Copeland
422 Posted 26/11/2017 at 10:53:16
Jay, the flower idea may work well at corners and other set pieces!
Colin Glassar
423 Posted 26/11/2017 at 10:57:54
Stan, if that's the case then the anti-MON posts/threads need to come in thick and fast. I think, btw, that MON would be a Kenwright appointment and would mean he's won this “power struggle”.
Julian Exshaw
424 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:03:43
Anybody who witnessed Ireland's World Cup campaign will know that Martin O'Neill is not the man for the job. Although he deserves some respect for qualifying for the play-offs,his coaching style is to negate, to cancel out, to undermine players of talent and convert them to hoofers and booters.

The mauling handed out by Denmark when Ireland had to play attacking football demonstrates his inability to create as a coach. It was embarrassing at times,football from a bygone era. If he comes they will have to rename Goodison Park to Jurassic Park! It's that bad. Please, NO!!

James Hughes
425 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:06:30
Please God can you keep O'Neill on the other side of the Irish Sea and away from Goodison Park.

We will have a new manager just as soon as our own Penfold finishes his latest jaunt with Dangermouse... fingers crossed.

Phil Walling
426 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:07:18
Colin, I have to disagree with you as ever. I believe Kenwright would go for Dyche in a moment – and see him as his 'New Moyes'. Moshiri on the other hand wants an O'Neill – either will do-– to at least hold the fort until he can get his love child, Marco Silva, to break free of Watford.

Not exactly a recipe for continuity but I suspect the 'owner' is immune to that sort of dopey thinking!

Neil Copeland
427 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:09:37
If O'Neill comes, I will hand deliver my ST back to the club and ask for a refund. Look at how he handled the McCarthy fiasco, the man is a bellend of the highest order and must not be allowed anywhere near our great club.
Stan Schofield
428 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:11:40
Colin, O'Neill is nowhere good enough to manage Everton. He's at the level of Allardyce and the like, appropriate to low in the Premier League and Championship sides, not sides who habitually inhabit the 'top-8' in the Premier League with ambitions to be higher.
Grant Rorrison
429 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:11:42
Phil (#426). I can't see why Moshiri would want 'an O'Neill'. The rumours are he wants a big name foreign coach. Maybe he's seen as a short-term appointment to keep us out of trouble like Moyes is at West Ham? Or else he's wanted to replace Walsh as Director of Football?
Tony Everan
430 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:20:14
O'Neill is a red herring surely, buying time while we hire a relevant manager.
Colin Glassar
431 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:24:20
Oh I agree Phil. I said it the other day, he will go for a Big Sam, Pulis or O'Neill until the summer. Someone to keep us up. He won't go for Dyche because Dyche won't accept a seven month contract, the others probably would.

Sunday Supplement just ripped EFC apart for the lack of direction at the top. Sean Custiss, who I usually despise, said something most of us suspected ie “Why did Moshiri leave Kenwright in charge of club affairs when he became majority shareholder? And what the fuck does Walsh actually do?

Another interesting observation was from Matt Dickinson (Telegraph) who said Koeman was responsible for signing so many midfield players and was confident those players could make up for Rom's goals.

Moshiri will, eventually, tell Kenwright to sod off but he needs to get up to speed about running a football club first. We are a shambles right now and all four of them said it loud and clear.

Neil Copeland
432 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:31:20
Colin, agreed. Moshiri needs someone he can trust to help with the many decisions that are needed. He may already do it but could probably do worse than talk to some of his former colleagues at The Arse (in confidence of course).

He certainly cannot trust Kenwright but I think he is realising that now. He must stop putting so much faith in Jim Shite as well, it makes him look like a proper knob which I really don't think he is.

Geoff Lambert
433 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:34:39
Are we waiting for AVB his team play in the Chinese cup final today I think and then he is out of contract.

Might be what the wait is.

I have not heard any more on the Silva situation my source is keeping tight lipped at the moment.

Brian Harrison
434 Posted 26/11/2017 at 11:49:27
I really wish it was Silva but I don't think he is prepared to walk out on Watford, and Watford are clearly not interested in any compensation payment. There is no doubt that Kenwright an Moshiri seem at odds over a lot that happens at Everton.

I don't think Moshiri does himself any good sending texts to broadcasting greatest self publicist. I am sure his time at Arsenal he will have seen how divisive having a manager in charge who has lost the good will of the supporters, and surely will hopefully not hire a manager that will do that on Day 1. So Allardyce, O'Neill and Pulis would do that.

As I said I wished it was Silva, but I cant see anyone taking the job till the end of the season, apart from Unsworth. Also if the players know he is only here till the end of the season, then he will have the same problem as Unsworth has now. So it seems like we have to forget about Silva and appoint someone for the long term, but please let it be somebody the fans can get behind.

Sam Hoare
435 Posted 26/11/2017 at 12:24:17
I'd prefer Silva. I'd be pretty happy with Dyche. I think AVB sounds the most realistic option at the moment and reckon he'd be a pretty good option.

He was brilliant at Porto and then never really settled at Chelsea under Roman's hands on approach. He did well at Spurs and in many ways set them on the path they are now enjoying and got them their highest ever points tally in his first season, he was only 7th (and cruising in Europe) when they parted ways. He did very well in Russia too.

He's still young but is experienced now and bar his 8 months at Chelsea has left most clubs in a better state than he found them.

His time in China is over. He knows the Premier League. He's won quite a few trophies. He's well respected. He possibly feels he has unfinished business in our league...

Makes sense. Come on in Mr Villas-Boas.

Colin Glassar
436 Posted 26/11/2017 at 12:31:36
Sounds good, Sam. This probably means we will go for O'Neill then.
Arild Andersen
437 Posted 26/11/2017 at 15:57:49
Don't think Silva would move, and it could potentially be a long saga as Watford would accuse us (quite rightly) of rapping him up. Villas-Boas is a good call. Him, or Fonseca at Shakhtar. It's unexcuseable that it has taken so long. Poor Unsy, a great U21 coach.
David Connor
438 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:11:01
Mr Moshiri must be wondering what he's done I a former life. He comes here puts money up for major signings and now we have one of the worst teams in Everton's entire history.

We need a manager who is up for a fight and we need him now. But if this bunch of useless bastards have downed tools as it looks like they have. God knows why. We are already doomed to relegation.. You reap what you sow. Fucking abysmal all round. Joke of a club.
Colin Glassar
439 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:16:32
Rangnick has signed a new deal with Leipzig so that leaves us with O'Neill, Dyche, Harry Redknapp or AVB. I know who I'd choose out of that lot.
Tony Everan
440 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:49:55
Sign Dyche up tonight and give him a chance. The club needs some stability.
Alan McGuffog
441 Posted 26/11/2017 at 20:55:02
Does it really matter any more? We have been treading water for thirty years. Maybe the city can't support two major clubs... we are going down.

We are a second-rate outfit and maybe we should embrace this fact. Thanks, EFC, for the sixties and mid-eighties. At least we will get to stay at Goodison!

Gary Hughes
442 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:00:30
Doesn't really matter what manager we get in at the moment, he will have to work with the defence we have for the next 8 games. That's were the problem is. How bad are situation is/was hit home to me weeks ago when it came out Garbutt wasn't registered for the Premier League leaving just Baines as our only left back. Looks like he will be out for a few weeks now.
Joe McMahon
443 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:01:45
Alan McGuffog - I kind of agree. If we are being honest it's been no fun for years/decades. Certainly since Kenwright became Chairman. We are just another Middlesbrough or Bolton (but without a modern stadium). I cannot see an end to it until Bill Kenwright leaves or even passes away.
Lawrence Green
444 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:04:32
Gary # 442 I think you'll find it's nine league matches as the United home game is scheduled for New Year's Day 2018 and the window won't open on a Bank Holiday.
Dave Lynch
445 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:18:19
Let's face it.

If we did go down, what effect would it have on our lives?

We would get used to it very quickly (we would have to), the world would still keep turning and we would still be a football team playing professional football.

We would be on telly a lot more and probably enjoy it more as supporters away from the Sky circus.

What is certain is this. Mosh and Billy liar are at loggerheads over the new manager and this is delaying an appointment.

Kenwright is a fucking parasite who is stopping us from Progressing with his fake blue credentials and has done for years.

If as has been suggested that the players have downed tools, then sell the fucking lot of em for a knock down price to lower division teams.

Cut our losses and start again.

Not realistic I know but i'm seething at present.

Eric Paul
446 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:18:53
Joe @443

How many times have we been to Wembley and qualified for Europe during Kenwright's time as Chairman on a shoestring until Moshiri's loot ruined everything.

If the players fuck it up when it matters, how can it be Kenwright's fault? I am not a Kenwright supporter and I think the board should all go just for the manager fiasco.

Laurie Hartley
447 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:24:03
Tony 414 & 430 - Dyche is one of two that has what is required for our current situation. The other is not Pulis, Redknapp, O'Neill, or Silva.

If Dyche was prepared to take this on it would tell me all I need to know about him and he would get my 100% support.

The only doubt I have in my mind is this. David Unsworth comes across as a strong character to me and a man most other men would respect. Why is it then that he can't get a tune out of these players?

I don't know the answer to that question - I am just asking.

Gary Hughes
448 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:25:40
Thanks for correcting me Lawrence. Maybe we will get a new manager this week but think the 9 games we have until the window opens will determine our season. Still trying to be optimistic but looking at the defenders he has to work with it doesn’t look promising at all. Too worrying that Southampton worked us out all too easily and there garbage too.
Christy Ring
449 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:27:31
After another toothless performance today, beggars can't be choosers. O'Neill and Keano would certainly ruffel a few feathers, sort out the deadwood, and anyone not giving 100%, would be shipped out.
Joe McMahon
450 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:27:40
Eric (446) the point i'm making is "Big Wow" we still didn't win anything. I mentioned Middlesbrough, they won the league cup in 2004 and at least got to the Uefa Cup final in 2006 (on a shoestring as you call it). All I'm say is if/when we go down, thats who we will be, and yes without a modern stadium. I'm just echoing Alan (441).

For the record we have been to Wembley (for a final) once in 23 years and lost.

Lawrence Green
451 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:30:14
Eric we've been to Wembley four times since 1999, one FA cup final lost to Chelsea and three Semi-Finals lost to Liverpool and United and once beat United on Penalties, we've done nothing in Europe of any consequence when we have qualified all of of which proves what exactly?

Sometimes perception is more important than the facts, although the facts are pretty damming on their own and my perception of Bill is that he does care about the club but has been a failure as the Chairman of Everton FC and is no better than Doug Ellis was for Villa, Peter Swales was for City and Bob Lord was for Burnley.

Bill Gall
452 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:33:25
Dave Lynch (#445),

As I stated on another forum if Everton get relegated supporters who live abroad, and there are a lot, would most probably never see Everton on TV as they don't show Championship games. So speaking for myself I would be exceptionally pissed off,.

On another subject, if you are the chairman of Burnley FC would you give Everton permission to talk to Sean Dyche and do you think he would come to such a shambles after being in charge of a club that had been relegated before.

Michael Lynch
453 Posted 26/11/2017 at 21:36:00
Dyche would be a good call at this stage, because we probably need a Moyes-type figure to re-build the club over the next three to five years. Looking at the squad, there are maybe three or four I would keep, but the rest are all either finished or not good enough.

Dyche, if he was mad enough to accept the job, would need to somehow cobble together a team from the shite available that would get us up to mid-table. Then let him clear out the shit and start again in the summer.

Neil Copeland
454 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:07:41
Laurie 447, I think the problem is familiarity – it breeds contempt as the saying goes. I agree that Unsworth seems a larger than life character but I think the first team see him as the U23 coach rather than the gaffer.

An outsider such as Dyche would have more impact in my opinion simply because of his reputation that he brings and the players will be wary of a new face. I don't think they have sufficient respect or fear of Unsworth for it to make a significant difference.

Jeff Spiers
455 Posted 27/11/2017 at 07:13:01
Neil @454. Too right. Watched Jonjoe Kenny on EFC TV and he talked of working with "Unsy". Should be showing a lot more respect. At least refer to him as Boss, Gaffer, the Manager.
Phil Sammon
456 Posted 27/11/2017 at 07:34:36
Jeff 455

I think that’s a bit unfair, Jeff. Kenny has been one of the few at least giving 100%. That’s how you show respect.

I think you’re on the right path though. An appointment needs to be made fast just to shake things up. I’m just desperately afraid that if the new chump doesn’t have an immediate impact, this terrifying slide will continue.

Jeff Spiers
457 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:49:38
Phil. Point taken. My first game was 1958 (makes me an arl arse) and was brought up to respect my elders, especially in the workplace. Kenny's commitment on the park is never in question, but, may be things have changed!

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