They claim that the Blues have re-opened talks with the former England boss about taking over team affairs on a more permanent basis than David Unsworth after a run of just one win in seven games under the caretaker boss.
Allardyce was said to have held talks with the Everton hierarchy a few weeks ago but any negotiations stalled and the 63-year-old suggested that he didn't feel wanted at Goodison Park.
Despite a victory over Watford and a somewhat fortuitous draw at Crystal Palace the team's fortunes have worsened with a 5-1 defeat to Atalanta being followed by yesterday's 4-1 drubbing by Southampton, perhaps forcing the Blues' Board to revisit what was, perhaps, merely a contingency in the early days following Koeman's dismissal.
Allardyce is reportedly flying back from a trip to watch the Formula One Grand Prix in Dubai and could hold face-to-face talks with Everton tomorrow.
The former Bolton, Newcastle, West Ham and Crystal Palace boss is said by Sky to be on a shortlist of three names which also includes Republic of Ireland head coach, O'Neill, and Shakhtar Donetsk manager, Fonseca.
It is unclear whether Fonseca has been interviewed by the club but Sky Sports claim discussions were held with his agent on Friday.
O'Neill, meanwhile, had the shortest odds with the bookmakers prior to these latest reports surrounding Allardyce.
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1 Posted 27/11/2017 at 15:42:55
That's what the Koeman legacy will be. Leaving us needing a manager like Sam Allardyce to steady the ship. But if BS can steady the ship. Then I'd be happy enough. That's just the situation that we are now in. We need to get onboard with it.
Not really much that us supporters can really do. The suffering has gone on long enough. A little stability will do this old supporter the power of good Hopefully.
Sorry about what I fear is going to happen to Unsworth. But in an almost impossible run of games a number of our players have let him down. Badly let him down. And he did make a few baffling team selections. Just hope that he carries on with the Under-23s. Or maybe become part of Big Sam's staff. Good luck to him anyway.
Big Sam's not on board yet. But if it does happen. I can live with that. Although I doubt that a number of supporters won't. But a few positive results will help. Starting on Wednesday night.
2 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:17:41
There was a massive vote on here and Big Sam was clearly rejected . Maybe they are looking for someone specifically to take over until the end of the season.
Silva, Simeone, or Tuchel... will be lined up then.
The strategy may keep us up, but it doesn't really give the manager much authority. It will be challenging to get the players organised and motivated under his rule.
3 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:17:58
4 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:18:29
5 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:19:31
6 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:20:24
7 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:21:12
If he can turn us round and keep us up, it's worth it...
8 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:21:17
9 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:22:00
10 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:23:23
Personally, I've had a belly full of foriegn managers after the last two dickheads we've had. Get him in ASAP and let's see how we go. Who knows he might just be the man for us. Don't bye a ticket, you wont win the lottery.
11 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:23:37
Still, we've been through worse. This too will pass.
12 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:24:02
As it is now, lose against West Ham and Huddersfield, and let's face it who wouldn't bet against that happening, and we'd be up to our nostrils in the excrement.
This is on the heads of Kenwright and Moshiri.
13 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:24:19
Too big for Allardyce et al? Too good to go down? Politely, bollocks. We need 27/28 points from the remaining games and I don't see where they're reasonably coming from at the moment...
Does anyone see us winning midweek against West Ham? Yes they're shite but we are worse right now and that's the kicker... are there 3 worse teams than us? Don't know about that...
14 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:24:46
If I were in the U23s or younger, i'd be considering my options.
The board should all resign they are all guilty of gross negligence and total incompetence.
The Vic Reeves lookalike is a total imbecile how on earth did he become a billionaire???
After 40 years I won't be following Everton anymore.
Enjoy Kevin Davies up front.
15 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:25:19
If we are still a Premier League team come may because of this then we would have lived to fight another day which is the best we can hope for. There are of course no guarantees other than unless we do something soon we are down.
16 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:25:35
17 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:25:47
18 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:26:32
Why not Dyche? Playing great football, they battered Arsenal at times at the weekend, I don't get this perception Burnley play long ball. They don't and are infinitely better to watch than us.
19 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:26:47
20 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:27:31
21 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:28:40
22 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:28:53
Sorry but even though he is a true Everton fan I think it is time for Kenwright to go. Not a big fan of Allardyce and would have been way down on my list but let's hope if he does come in he brings in some decent backroom staff and clears out many of the ex-players who are just not up to it.
Always great to have ex players around but it's a priority that we need to make sure they can do a good job. Many backroom staff at the moment are just not up to it. We are slowly but surely falling apart and becoming a big joke.
Don't know about School of Science. More like a school of nobodies run by a bunch of idiots.
23 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:29:06
If we survive, whatever contract we offer Sam I reckon he'll be gone in May. Pay the fucker off how much will it cost, £10M? We spend more than twice that on shit Dutch players without batting an eyelid.
We need clean sheets, and we need scrappy 1-0 wins til we're safe. Then we can regroup under a decent manager.
24 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:29:53
25 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:30:31
26 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:30:32
We're in deep deep shit and as much as I respect and admire Unsworth but for him to come out and say we're not in a relegation battle is ludicrous. We're seriously in the shit. I never want to see in a blue shirt those useless twats Mirallas and Schneiderlin who just don't give a shot about are clue, fans there's more but those two get rid, get them out of the club and training ground and try and off load up in January. We need an entire new team, it's scary as to how many players need to be rid of.
And In typical Everton fashion I guarantee that this would be the season Sam Allardyce gets a team relegated. We're frigging cursed as a club run by baffoons
27 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:31:01
My concern is how the players react. Move away from relegation zone and make some plans at same time.
I'm definitely with Chris on this one the joke we have become lies squarely with the Board of Directors. Shame on them.
28 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:31:18
Welcome to the 21st century.
29 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:31:19
30 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:31:36
Worst case scenario he takes us down like Koeman was doing. Average scenario he keeps us up, stutters next season and we get rid. Best scenario he keeps us up and we push on.
31 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:32:10
What I don't get is the rise against his style of play. Don't we remember 1995? Joe's Dogs of War were shite to watch. Sam's won't be any worse, I reckon they'll be better as he'll have some cash.
32 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:32:29
I only mention this as I described Moshiri this way very early in his tenure and not in a malicious way. The post was removed. I can only assume that it may be open season on the chap now his halo has slipped.
33 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:32:59
It is starting to look more and more like the problem was at the top and not as much Koeman as we thought. Doesn't mean the football we were having to watch was any good under Koeman. But I get the feeling that he will speak about what really went on at Everton and it won't be pretty. And now we've gone lower than early in Moyes's tenure, Sam Allardyce. We are officially a small club. What a disgusting time.
34 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:27
So, if any of those who are seriously not going any more and have a season ticket, I would gratefully take it off your hands.
35 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:31
36 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:49
20 odd games is more than enough time to sort the mess out, not him though. The squad such as it is is patched with youngsters who will need to play.
Ever seen an Allardyce team with kids in it? Not me.
His self-styled Red Adare is maths its, percentages and probability. Id say this approach based on whats gone before is now more likely to fail than work. Everton would be chancing a method one too many times and sullying themselves in the process.
Fuck Id even take Dr Jo Venglos, of diaster at the Villa fame.
37 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:58
38 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:33:59
39 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:35:02
I'll be glad when it is sorted and hope he is in for the West Ham game.
If he comes here, get behind him. He can't do any worse than Unsworth, Koeman or Martinez can he? I doubt he'll be accused of fannying-around or coming out with bullshit excuses.
With the Merseyside derby not far away, we've a better chance with him in charge than some foreign project merchant.
41 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:35:22
If you're thinking of Tuchel, Mancini, Pellegrini or anyone else as fancy then you're as deluded as them across the park.
42 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:35:41
If Big Sam is appointed at least the team will go out well organised and fighting for every ball giving us a chance of staying up. Besides a couple of seasons we put up with a similar style under Moyes for years.
43 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:37:13
44 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:39:23
We need someone to seriously take us back to basics, dogs of war style and grind out results, but my worry is this team don't have the mettle for dogs of war type approach but they also don't have the ability to play decent football.
I am dreading the derby in 2 weeks, That will be the worse derby hiding this club will ever experience, it's got 7, 8 or 9 written all over it
45 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:39:56
46 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:40:53
It's not enough that we spent shedloads on players who weren't quite what we had hoped for, it's not enough that we sold our main goalscrorer one of the most prolific we've had on our books for nearly twenty years and then failed to replace him. It's not enough that the board and owner seem to be working in different footballing universes or that we have to rely on the younger players who are not up to scratch for the battles ahead and it's probably going to set them back in the long-term.
No! let's go the whole hog and replace the Dutchman with Big Sam the Black Country bumkin, I'll be at Goodison in the remaining games but to say I'm not looking forward to it is an understatement. I realise that we are in a very precarious position and many will argue that the ends will justify the means - I agree to a point but how much more punishment can the average Evertonian endure ?
I thnk if Big Sam does take over we can say farewell to Ross and Lookman in January and any other talented individual that we may have at the club. On the plus side we'll likely not see the pairing of Schneirderlin and Gueye again, as the midfield will be an area where the ball isn't seen as it is pumped from back to front with even greater regularity than we have witnessed recently.
We may or may not retain our Premier League status but it won't be much fun sitting in the stands for the next few months - mind you on reflection watching Everton in the last five or so years hasn't been much fun either. Aarrggggghh!
47 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:41:13
Brian @2, I'm out too.
48 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:41:28
49 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:41:50
How low can we go?
On current form Championship, League 1, 2?
I don't know if you've noticed but we've been on a downward spiral for some time now despite investment.
We have embarrassed ourselves well before Allardyce got here.
50 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:42:30
This could have been sorted a month ago, no doubt Allardyce will now be able to get more of his demands. I thought Moshiri was supposed to be a shrewd operator, I was wrong.
51 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:42:44
At the moment, I would take the reincarnation of Atilla the Hun if he sorts out the coaching at Finch Farm.
52 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:43:14
I heard via a source who is close to an ex red man that he has worked with and is vertically challenged shall we say . that Everton didn't offer him enough money first time round! I have no reason to disbelieve this story.
Think long and hard Everton about this path you are about to take!
Once again the fish rots from the head and there is something that stinks very fishy amongst the corridors of Goodison Park.
53 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:43:15
Bolton, Newcastle, Blackburn Rovers, West Ham and Sunderland comes to -80.
Better buckle up; this is going to be some ride Wimbledon and Coventry all over again.
54 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:44:21
They are bereft of ideas to appoint an alternative manager to save us from relegation.
This news comes as no relief or consolation at all. It will be a sad, sad day the club has to resort to appointing Sam Allardyce to save its Premier League skin.
This man is a disaster for our long term ambitions. Once he accomplishes his mission of avoiding relegation, he will be eventually eased out. But he almost always leaves behind long term issues.
And our board, in all their wisdom, are not able to find an alernative.
What a sad, sad indictment.
55 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:44:56
Seeing that man on our sideline will be like having root canal without an anesthetic, but if the tooth is saved, it'll eventually be worth it.
And hopefully we'll have a better man aboard in the summer.
56 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:45:44
57 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:46:18
I suspect this didn't happen earlier because he wanted a long-term deal and we wanted to rent him. Now I suspect we will give him a long-term deal and pay him off in the summer time.
58 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:46:20
Now, everyone, take off your blue-tinted glasses and think what we need to make this club great again.
59 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:46:59
60 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:48:08
61 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:49:34
No to Sam and his million and one backroom staff!
Get on the blower to Bramall Lane NOW... Chris Wilder is the bloke who can stop this rot and turn it round pronto...
On your head be it, Mr Moshiri!!!
62 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:51:36
They leak it idiots bet on it they make money.
I don't understand why people take any notice at all.
63 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:52:40
64 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:53:34
Now can it.
65 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:54:12
I think the answer is plain to see. Stick and we go down, twist and we might just stay up. I, like most Evertonians, am completely underwhelmed by everything Everton ATM; but, that said, desperately want them to stay in the Premier League.
66 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:54:30
I would give him the length of contract he requires with appropriate break clauses depending on performance.
We will be all right.
67 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:55:06
Allardyce would be a signing that smacks of desperation.
Oh hang on we are desperate.
To all those who have negative thoughts about Allardyce I understand the reservation but what we are watching right now is utter shite and its relegation written all over it.
Guys wake up and realise this is THAT serious.
68 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:56:37
Yes it is a shit situation but we're in it so you need to take the right steps to get out of it. The season is a write off. Premier league safety is the primary goal.
As for people saying they're not coming again... Christ... grow up.
69 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:57:02
Have you ever seen an Allardyce team with kids in it? Nope.
We have to play the younger players as we have no cover. Come January they get shunted to the side, some middling pros on big wages lumber in and the door is shut on the promising players.
And what then if we still go down and expect those kids to get us back up as the other fuckers get to walk away. Or we stay up, and the path the the first is blocked by Sam's 'effing big head.
The fella and his crew are bad bellends. You think you are trading a short term fix for survival, you are not, you are hurting the evolution of a club that gives good young players a chance.
70 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:58:06
Assuming you've got the job, Big Sam, good luck to yer, lad. Keep us in the Premier League. That'll do for me, for the moment.
71 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:58:24
Moshiri must learn from this debacle and immediately commence a review of the club from top to bottom, starting with Kenwright. After nearly 19 years in charge his sole achievement has been the avoidance of relegation, which now looks horribly realistic unless the rot is stopped immediately.
Why he was retained as Chairman after Moshiri became the majority shareholder remains a mystery, but surely he must step down now and take a back seat, enough is enough.
72 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:59:01
73 Posted 27/11/2017 at 16:59:48
1. Dampened expectations for 20 odd years
2. Given us average managers
3. Sold our best players
4. Bought shite for too much money
5. Got us in a position where no decent manager will touch us
6. Have created a position where 20% and growing of TW'ers want fat Sam
I'm half out as it is, as I just cannot stand much more of Kenwright killing this club, but if Sam A comes to the club, I'm out completely! it's just not the club I started supporting..
74 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:00:13
I think Sam gets an unfairly hard time off most football fans.
I saw quite a lot of Bolton when he there and they could play some good stuff. They could also be dog rough to watch but he has never had squads packed out with options so injuries always hit his teams hard and they revert to grinding out results.
He brought in some class over there (Anelka, Djorkaeff, Okocha, Hierro) and did try to play football quite often.
And we are almost guaranteed to not go down and he will leave the club in a much better place when he leaves.
75 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:02:20
76 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:02:54
77 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:03:40
Given what happened at West Brom he has a point to prove so a deal til the end of the season may be the perfect solution
He gets a chance to restore some of his reputation by again going to a club sorting out the defence and moving them away from relegation. We get longer to dither over who we want long term and don't have to be held to ransom by Sam Allardyce.
He is probably the only manager in the world that would enjoy sorting out our defensive mess
Seems a win win to me.
78 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:04:41
I would like anybody on here to try and define our style of play over the past 3 years. From Martinez to Koeman, from possession to pressing... all bollocks.
This group of players need a clear and direct approach. Back to basics and build from there.
Welcome on board, Mr Allardyce, even though it's 4 weeks late.
79 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:04:44
Survival is all that counts it's good name has been sold to make some dubious people very, very rich!
The magic is gone.
80 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:05:02
81 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:05:43
Dyche has a release clause of £2.5m, very much someone we could have got.
82 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:06:28
83 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:07:26
Thanks for trying but it wasn't enough. It's a sad day all round but perhaps Sam can improve himself by being at what will be his biggest job in football. NSNO
84 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:07:35
Collectively we have buried our heads in the sand and believed we are bigger than we are. What we are right now is a mess, a joke and an accident that has happened already. The consequences of the accident, we will find out over the coming weeks and months.
It has been said many times but who had control over the transfers. The wrong players for the wrong positions huge amounts of money spent and no team at the end of the process. Whoever had the final say needs kicking out of the club right now with no compo.
(I believe this was highlighted by David Barks early in the window. I duly buried my head in the sand, so apologies David, if I have the right poster.)
Over the years we have seen some shit teams but at least they 'put in a shift' At present the team are all hiding and not willing to take responsibility. They need an introduction to the night stick, the one the coppers use to carry at the ground.
Even rhino has been left hanging by the club, what is that going to do to his confidence in the future?
I have never liked slagging off our club but right now we are in disarray
85 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:08:22
KENWRIGHT OUT WITH ROONEY, FERGUSON, JEFFERS, BAXTER, EBBRELL etc.
86 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:09:00
No performance so far this season, except when Oumar come on and we beat Watford, has given any indication that we can steer away from relegation. As for the young players, it looks to me that they are already suffering under the burden of trying to stop the slide.
If Alladyce comes, then it is for one purpose only and that it to keep us up. What players we get in January, and we need about half a team of them, have the same job; keep us up. That is the Top Bloody Priority for this club.
The kids will get mangled if they end up in a relegation fight and I'm sure many of us have seern it happen before during bad times with previous managers.
It is for certain, that whoever comes in, we need to get behind the team and the manager.
Unless you don't mind us going down, of course.
87 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:10:01
We should get behind him harshly treated at Newcastle and West Ham.
88 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:11:24
89 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:12:03
If he comes and fails then Walsh is gone also as big Sam was his recommendation. The board and Walsh have been at fault for our present situation in a big way unfortunately it comes to us fans to raise the roof whenever the blues play and hope our luck turns.
90 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:12:40
91 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:13:49
92 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:14:16
Martinez was a fraud, a snake-oil salesman, who talked out of his arse and took us for £10m and backwards.
Koeman was passionless, alienated several players, bought duds with massive investment and took us for £millions and backwards.
Perhaps it's time to get off the high horse with respect to Big Sam?
93 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:14:18
Look at all the teams he has saved who have gone on to do bigger and better things;
Err.. hmm... :-/
94 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:14:35
95 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:14:54
If Allardyce is going to spend it, is he just a temporary replacement?
96 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:17:11
So were are now a salvage job. From a well stocked Destroyer ready to take on all comers we have become a hulk wallowing around on an incoming tide in a Force 12 gale and only Capt Pugwash can save us. Reef Sails Mr Christian Reef Sails.
97 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:17:59
98 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:20:26
99 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:22:03
Surviving this season is probably worth the millions Sam will walk away with in the summer.
101 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:22:36
As for big Sam, it what we need at present, someone who sets up his teams not to concede, and organises well. Read his Premier League survival plan that he discussed which was highlighted on Sky's Monday Night Show 12 September 2017, interesting and makes a lot of sense. There will be no nonsense with this bloke like him or loathe him.
Does he get bad press? Well, yes, he made an arse of himself in the England job, but you cant knock the effect he has had on poor teams and sorting them out, also at Bolton they had some really exciting moments and he is no long ball tactician.
I suggest if you do your research on the web you may be amazed how many ex players sing his praises as being ahead of his time and a very shrewd operator.
Being at Everton could be very interesting as he has never had the good fortune to walk into a top club, which we can become. Its hard sorting out relegation fodder and easy with a team of superstars!
The Premier League is no tickling competition and we need someone who does not mind a dust up.
If he gets appointed then lets get behind him as we may yet grow to love the big Fella, surely we cant play any worse than we are doing now?
103 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:23:17
104 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:25:43
Nah, this nasty grifter thinks hes good enough to take a big club on. This is his chance, biggest club job hes ever had.
This is no short term job for Sam he wants redemption. For those gipping at thought that they can just about stomach six months for pragmatic reasons, I believe he wants too stay well beyond that.
105 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:26:14
We must stay up. At the moment, nothing else matters to me and all the Blues I know.
106 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:26:49
Should have got Dyche though..
108 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:27:46
He's not my choice for manager, but it look increasingly like we sacked Koeman, and only then thought about what to do next. What an absolute shambles.
109 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:28:42
110 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:29:20
Who knows if we haven't tried to get Sean Dyche? All we know is we are in the mire.
113 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:34:32
People are entitled to their opinions... even that they prefer we go down but I could never accept that. Allardyce has one hell of a job and will probably need 4/5 weeks to make his influence felt but I am hoping that he can bring back some discipline and confidence to the squad. I trust him to bring in 3/4 new players in January because the present personnel will not get us out of this catastrophic mess.
He outlined his footballing ideas on Sky a few weeks ago:
Defence the No 1 priority.
Don't lose the ball in your own half
Try to make your 1st pass forward.
Midfield support the striker.
Try to get people running behind opposition defence.
Try to make opponents turn round.
Do not give the opposition time to get everyone behind the ball
Most people on here seem to think his style of play his beneath us but I seem to remember quite a few top European footballers enjoying playing for him during his Bolton days.
His training methods have always been innovative and he was at the forefront of applying medical advances to help individual player development. Yet he is dismissed as some kind of Neanderthal.
Oh he shows no fear of the so called top 6 managers.He does not moan about only having a knife in a gun fight instead he makes life as hard as possible when facing the "elite".
If he does take over I hope that he is given a great welcome at Goodison unfortunately it appears that I am in a small minority. That saddens me. Personally I would have preferred Silva but it is what it is so we should give him our full support.
114 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:34:38
Only problem is, we do not have the personnel able not to concede. Perhaps he can set us up to score six a game!!!
115 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:36:09
116 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:36:16
117 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:36:58
I just wish the players gave as much care as the fans do.
118 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:37:11
Added soulless squad members drawing a wage whilst we rage with anger, upset and frustration at the incompetence on show. The Board needs replaced urgently with people who can show acumen. We cannot let those responsible off the judgement call.
119 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:37:51
Dyche should have been brought in a month ago though.
120 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:37:54
In general, he goes to teams and makes them better. Isn't that what we need?
Thomas Rigby that is a great post mate. Very open minded and willing to accept where we are.
121 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:38:18
Three wrongs don't make a right.
122 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:38:27
This set of players need a clear game plan, more importantly a game plan thats within their skill set.
Back to basics. Exactly what they need at present. Review over the summer if it isn't already to late!
123 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:38:33
Now it's this fat crook.
124 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:38:57
125 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:40:54
I want to see the Everton I grew up with build its heart again.
126 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:41:31
He will sort us out and with some decent players to work with he may just surprise us. That said, we are so awful, he might turn it down.
127 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:41:33
David Wagner, Eddie Howe, Sean Dyche, Chris Wilder, Gary Rowett, Chris Hughton to name but a few
The club's leadership is dire, it lacks strategy, foresight. We appoint this clown and we deserve every bit of stick the RS throw at us.
128 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:42:21
129 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:43:33
130 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:43:37
And what is very clear at present is that above all else, we need change, wholesale change, because a rot has well and truly set in. And it needs to go beyond removing Unsworth who is frankly just a fall guy who has been out of his depth in a near impossible situation.
Walsh needs to go. He has been lamentable and now need to be held accountable. And it really is now time, if he truly loves the club, for Kenwright to go. We need absolute clarity in leadership right now, not Kenwright hanging around weeping.
The one thing with Allardyce, for all his faults, is he has the presence and ego to lead. He needs to report direct to Moshiri, not through anyone else. And Moshiri needs to re-engage because it is his money (or his boss, Usmamov's if you believe the rumours) that is going up in smoke if we go down. Offloading a few under performers the squad might also send a message let's face it, there's a pretty big pool to choose from.
That is the kind of shock needed to jolt the club out of its death spiral. Because as they say, the definition of madness is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting the outcome to change.
131 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:44:44
132 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:46:48
I am daft and love all Evertonians no matter how much we bug each other, so i'd advise you as a fellow fan to get behind him and us and forget about things off the field that will never affect us personally.
133 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:47:42
Though the transfer values, salaries, team and player performances, selections and excuses from the beginning of the season I lost virtually all interest in EFC.
I was in the bookies when I read the teamsheet against Southampton and for the first time in my 32 years of being a fan I came close to betting against EFC.
Yes, a replacing a striker was a key factor, but you have to have 11 players on the field. Choosing Calvert-Lewin upfront against seasoned pros is not the answer. Sandro is a proven La Liga scorer and Rooney has so much experience, yet Unsworth chose neither. With the exception of selecting a few different names in the starting eleven (it's a separate matter whether they were right or wrong). Unsworth has proven that he isn't that much different from Koeman.
If the situation requires the appointment of Big Sam. Then that's me done with EFC.
134 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:48:18
When did we last see Everton playing pretty football?
Martinez's first season?
Any sort of football would be nice. I'd welcome the long ball game at present!
135 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:50:20
How will we score from set pieces? I know, sign Andy Carroll in January. I'm yet to be convinced that playing a more direct style will lead to better results. Our £45m record signing still takes a corner and puts it into the keeper's hands.
Even from a commercial point of view, it doesn't make sense. We sold a record number of season tickets for this season and for the first time ever, had a waiting list in the thousands. Can you see us doing that again, even if by some miracle we are plying our trade in the Premier League next season with hoofball and percentage-football?
I feel sick. I can't be arsed any more to debate things and argue with fellow Evertonians and go over our proud history again and again because it's all we have. It's just completely pointless. We're just making up the numbers. A middle-of-the-road football club with a proud history a loyal fanbase an out-of-date club motto. Happy to just exist, go out of the cups to concentrate on safety and play on the same field as clubs with much more ambition.
Everton FC RIP.
136 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:50:57
137 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:51:30
138 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:51:47
The seasons aspirations have moved on from the Europa Cup back door entry to the Champions League, to survival in the Premier League. I don't think Allardyce is the best choice by far, but given where we are he is a realistic option to achieve that target.
I support Everton (not Bill Kenwright, Moshiri, Elstone or any other self serving bugger). I will give the Club my continued support, whoever manages or plays for them. Will I enjoy it? Probably not, but in good times or bad I am still an Everton supporter.
Allardyce, not my choice, but will start with a clean slate as far as I am concerned. Probably the most dissapointing aspect of the recent farcical events has been the complete stupidity of Unsy. Proudly announcing he talks to the Chairman 3 times a day, and telling the world that there were players from the Atalanta fiasco who would be excluded from the Southampton game (but forgot to mention it would be the best player); what a simply stupid, stupid way to behave.
Give it your best shot Mr Allardyce knowing that if we get some results, clear out the dross, bring in some tough guys to achieve the necessary results then good for you. If you don't achieve the necessary, and do a Martinez or Koeman and take the Club fo a ride, then what will be will be. . . . . .
I sort of have a feeling that you won't be talking with Kenwright that often but will take your own counsel.
139 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:52:07
140 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:53:03
Too many people have got an easy life at Everton, and to watch our old boys on the bench yesterday, shows you that's it's not what you know, but who you know, when it comes to getting a job on Everton's coaching staff.
141 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:53:16
And Klaassen was a great idea to shut Barkley out. And we bought well and Steve Walsh and Koeman know better than everyone.
The Dodgy bugger will know a striker or 2 as well.
142 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:57:04
Maybe you're the one who should "can it" mate.
The following managers are currently available:
5. Luis Enrique
8. Laurent Blanc
10. Pepe Mel
Not necessarily promoting any of these, just pointing out that the idea that Bellowing Sam is the only available choice is just flat wrong.
143 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:57:19
Tony @ 64, please please please be correct.
144 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:08
145 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:09
Silva isn't available.
Anybody who has been any sort of manager knows that the hardest thing is being dropped into a new situation with a load of unknowns and be expected to affect change quickly. Dyche has built up Burnley over time but Sam has managed to drop in and organise Premier League teams effectively several times over.
It's sad that we are where we are but given that as a starting point then Allardyce is a sensible choice.
Still worried we'll get relegated though the team is shocking.
146 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:26
147 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:37
Management's failure to properly identify and bring in players with the necessary attributes needed to address the obvious weaknesses/imbalance in our squad will only be resolved through a major player overhaul. The rot has truly set in. You can't treat it you need to cut it out and sharpish. The manner in how this team capitulates (almost before a ball is kicked) requires more that the introduction of Big Sam, Tuchel, Silva etc to ensure we avoid the unthinkable this year. Everyone knows that teams who can't keep the ball out of their own net go down. We seemingly cannot close down crosses and cannot pick up and mark targets properly in the box. Both of those issues can be addressed but not with the personnel we have now. We will need to sort out the attacking side of our game at some point but it's not the priority.
I am equally, if not more, concerned about how the club is ensuring the right reinforcements are brought in January to steady the ship and more importantly keep us away from the drop zone. They made a right bollocks of it in the summer and I don't think that was all down to Koeman. If any of the those remaining chuckleheads are calling the shots in this critical window, well I am not hopeful.
148 Posted 27/11/2017 at 17:58:45
On top of that, we are a football club that has won sweet bloody FA for 22 years!! What the hell gives us the right to think that appointing Allardyce is somehow beneath us??
Wake up and smell the coffee, folks we're in serious trouble right now!!And whatever anyone thinks of Allardyce, his track record of keeping clubs in the Premier League is indisputable.
Besides, ask yourselves this question what club that has ever been managed by him are now in a better position than when he was in charge??
Bolton?... no way!!
Newcastle?? They were fucking relegated 16 months after Ashley sacked him to bring Keegan back!!
Blackburn??...the Venkys' sacking of Allardyce is proving to be the biggest cock up they've made at Ewood Park,and they've made plenty!!
West Ham?? yeah,they've not looked back since Big Sam left, have they?? Gone from strength to strength NOT!!Sunderland?? need I say more??!!
Crystal Palace?? Look at the league table!! And just like Sunderland, they're now on their 2nd/3rd manager since Allardyce left.
Get him in ASAP, and get him kicking a few arses and taking no shit from the skivers and wastrels who are stealing a fucking living from MY club, YOUR club, and OUR club right now!!
And if being boring, nasty and ugly keeps us up, who cares? We'll think about that at the end of the season. After all, Joe's Dogs of War hardly passed and entertained their way to safety back in 1994-95,did they??
149 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:00:38
Shocking decision if it's to be believed
150 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:02:27
However, if Allardyce is appointed, then we all need to get behind him and the team. Let me just say this, it is the eleven players in the royal blue shirt of Everton that we all love and support. It is Everton football club that we all love and support. Just like players, managers come and go. Managers are mere employees of the club.
When big Sam (jeez I've started to like him already) gets us moving up the table, we will all say what a fantastic appointment.
Finally, regarding some posters on this thread, and other threads, who have threatened to stop going if Allardyce is appointed, well your choice. Don't forget to hand your season ticket back into the box office after the game on Wednesday. Proper supporters and Everton football club won't be begging you to change your mind. YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED.
151 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:03:53
Unsworth could have bought them the time they needed for the other two or another but Unsie just lacked the authority to really make demands on the team.
Now, if Sam comes in everyone will know he is here for 2 or three years and not going to go away.
I hope he can put the boot up some asses and get the backline functioning. I also hope he knows a big striker who can hold the ball up.
He ain't my first choice, but we just need someone to manage this rabble.
153 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:06:02
154 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:06:57
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum RIP.
This club is fucked. Two frauds in Moshiri and Kenwright running the club.
I hope fat Sam goes the way of Martinez and Koeman and screws every penny out of those two pricks.
155 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:07:27
He jumped off sinking ships at Newcastle and Blackburn (and so has never been relegated) and was hated by his own fans at West Ham.
He still managed to get the England job and then fucked it up after one game (illegal or not!)
It's still only November and until Sunday we were just one win off 10th place. We're not dead-bottom in March and so, despite our dreadful run and performances, there is no need to panic with an Allardyce appointment.
Mancini, Tuchel, Bielsa, Dyche, Hiddink, Silva, Rangnick, Villas-Boas or even David Wagner can we really not entice any of these even short-term? If not, I do worry that our problems in the boardroom dwarf those we have on the pitch!
156 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:07:44
Doesn't look like we've even tried for Ancelotti, Mancini or Pellegrini who are all proven winners in the Premier League.
Tuchel, Rangnick and Simeone would all be huge gambles, the latter being a complete pipe dream anyway.
Silva and Dyche, why, if anything they are worse managers than Allardyce. Less proven, less success. Silva's had 2 half decent months, for God's sake.
For me Allardyce is the obvious choice at this current stage of the season, get over it!
157 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:10:26
It's time for back to basics.
It will be a huge wake up call for Schneider and Mirallas et al. We need a period of stability before we can think about moving forward.
Not sure Sam has ever had the opportunity of a "big" club and some money to spend. I would be happy to give him a contract for a few years but, as always, dump him if he doesn't deliver but I see no problem sticking with him if the club is moving forward.
As for him being a crook, I think it is naive to think it is not rife in the premier league it's just that Sam got caught. Doesn't make it right but puts it in perspective.
158 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:10:36
Anyone thinking that Big Sam will suddenly transform a defence with what is now effectively one full back (I don't count Martina) and two ageing centre backs who would be outjumped by Mini Me in an aerial dual is delusional. Even Mourinho or Guardiola would struggle with that lot (thanks to Koeman) it is like asking Michelangelo to sculpt David out of bat guano.
I feel desperately sorry for Unsworth who has taken on problems that everyone accepts cannot really begin to be addressed until January, only to be turned on by many on here who should know better. He should have chickened out like a Schneiderlin, but he loves the club too much.
Thanks to our board, we are now likely to be in the hands of the biggest mercenary in football.
At least our long quest for trophies will soon be over. I fully expect Kenwright, Moshiri and Walsh to sweep the board at the next British Comedy Awards.
159 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:10:55
You all say he's a horrible git we'll Kenwright is in the same mould and has played toy footy with this club for yrs. Big Sam is a good manager get behind him one day he may even win us something.
160 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:14:37
If we end up having to agree to a longer term we will have to kiss goodbye to Silva; Villas-Boas or any other decent long term appointment then Moshiri will have failed massively. It will mean, quite simply, he is not, by a long chalk, the man we thought he might be!
161 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:15:47
Do we go for managers that have managed sides in the top half here with great squads etc etc. We need to go for what we require most and those most suited.
It's okay going for a Mancini when your squad is caked in quality.
162 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:15:53
Thanks for all you have done for EFC over the years. I wish you all the best as you search for other clubs to follow.
You'll not be missed, especially you John, who would sooner we were relegated, and you Tony who would see us bottom of the entire league before EFC appointed a manager you dislike.
18 months ago my three choices were José, Rafa and Sam. No chance with Jose. My reasoning was that we had lost all semblance of shape and understanding from goalkeeper to midfield, and not much ahead of that. All three of them make that a priority. It might be percentage football and at times not pretty but it was essential.
The difference between the first two and Sam is that they had the opportunity at big money clubs to develop from there and neither did. Sam hadn't had that chance, he would at Everton. Give him a 2½-year contract and watch.
164 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:18:20
165 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:20:02
Fat Sam wasn't considered the first time round because he wanted more than a one year contract.which was right. Now they are going back to him and he can see pound signs and a longer contract.His actual record is more lucky, than exciting. My patience is on its last legs.
166 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:20:26
167 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:21:10
I'd love to see other teams like Arsenal afraid of our physicality. And I also remember his best Bolton sides that finished regularly in the top half having flair players playing a big part like Djorkoeff and Okocha etc
168 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:22:06
170 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:22:45
I know, let's ask Moyes and Martinez.
171 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:24:01
Hate to say it, though, he's probably what we need to get out of this fuckin' mess.
172 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:24:02
I'd rather be where Tranmere are than have that man anywhere near my club.
173 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:25:55
So expect the likes of Jay-Jay Okocha, Ivan Campo, Bruno N'Gotty and Youri Djorkaeff in January
Sam also has a reputation for innovation and science.
It would be an amazing turnaround to have Sam save us this season and then go on to build a skilful attacking team.
BTW he has balls and does not lay down for any of the top six. he is meticulous in his game management planning and is not aversed to giving stars a rollicking.
If he is signed then I want and hope to see the very best traits of Big Sam... boy do we need it!
if Shakespeare comes as well then look forward to seeing high spirits and straight positive talking at Finch Farm.
Come on., you blues!
174 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:27:38
If you'd rather EFC were where Tranmere are than have Allardyce anywhere near EFC, then bye bye.
I'll even give you a lift if you like.
No decent Evertonian wants to see us relegated.
175 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:28:44
A. You won't donate your season tickets to anyone
B. You'll be back with your tail between your legs when we win 2 in a row under Big Sam
C. You'll regret you said such definitive crap on here
ps: We still love you!
176 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:28:55
It is football management we ought to be concentrating on, not whether someone is a candidate for saint hood or not. He's not, as far as we know, battered any pensioners for their wallets, robbed a bank, stuck cigars out in people's faces, or acted like those pillars of establishment, the banks.
He is a manager who might just get us out of the mess we are certainly in, or would we still prefer that Unsworth be given more time. As for someof the managers on the lists I've seen here AVB, Bilic, Pulis are the only ones with Prem experience, two of them have just been sacked and AVB is in China is he not. The rest? Have they any idea what players would be needed in a prmiership dogfight, because that is where we are.
They might be good but they might equally be useless in the situation we find opurselves in. I'd have hoped Sean Dyche might have come but he may well have, and he's knocked it back. No one could blame him while he is doing such a great job with Burnley and he may well think he can take them further, who knows.
It's a pity Alladyce wasn't brought in before the International Break, so he could have some time to look over the sparkling array of talent we have within our club.
178 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:30:45
179 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:30:50
Sorry, was Southgate a respected manager before he became England manager? What a joke.
180 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:31:39
Dont do it, Everton. Its not too late!
181 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:31:51
182 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:32:28
183 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:33:34
184 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:34:11
However, if Allardyce is appointed, I'll stay away. The man is corrupt and employing him would say that the club has no moral integrity.
It's not as if he's the only option. Sean Dyche. Chris Wilder. Even Tony bloody Pulis if you just want a similar, temporary firefighter to keep us up.
But if we appoint a man who is known to be as bent as a twelve pound note, just because we're desperate, then the club will grow a little more distant from my heart. This isn't what we are supposed to be about. While I agree relegation would be a disaster, surely ethics and morals have to still play a Parr in football, or the game is irretrievably lost.
185 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:34:47
Sam the best available or willing to do that today? Maybe.
This the future forever? Doubtful.
But shit, bad short term and hard to see the long term today.
186 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:36:42
He may not be ethically perfect, but this is football we are talking about FFS. Most people in the game up to and including Brian Clough and George Graham have been dodgy to a greater or lesser extent.
We are deep in the shit – no club has yet survived in this league having conceded as many goals as we have by late November – and if we do go down, as seems at present likely, we will not bounce back; we will be down for a long time, like Villa. Personally I would prefer to stay in the Premier League to watching champagne football in the Championship or League One.
187 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:37:02
I would have preferred Dyche but even he is a gamble that Moshiri must feel is a stretch too far given our current mess.
Get if sorted quickly blues and put poor Unsworth out his misery.
188 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:37:07
189 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:37:42
How about Arteta for next season if we do stay up?
Just realised, that's a lot of ifs.
190 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:38:48
I don't like it either but Rovers, Hammers and Barcodes were all comfortable mid table when they parted company with big Sam.
As for bringing youth through? Kevin Nolan worked out okay, despite the abuse I hurled at him for years..
191 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:39:18
Just shows if we can't pinch a manager as with Martinez (awful) Koeman (awful) and then trying for Silva we can't go out and find our own little gem.
Surely there are lots of young managers around Europe with bright new ideas that we could have taken a chance on. But no matter what happens once a true blue always a true blue.
Might moan a lot but will always give my full support to Everton.
192 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:40:07
Big Sam would be very far down my list personally. The football would be poor, the talented youth would be abandoned and the aspirations limited. There is no guarantee at all that he would make us harder to beat... though admittedly we couldn't be much easier!
If we wish to go down the 'practical' route then surely worth having a good go at Dyche first?
I'm not sure to be honest. Even found myself today thinking that Pulis was a good idea. Dark days.
193 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:40:47
December 2005, Everton 0 Bolton 4, ironically Duncan Ferguson had been dropped after an alleged training ground row with Moyes; we finished the season 11th, six points and three places below Bolton.
I was one of the 80% who voted against him, but I agree, needs must.
194 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:40:51
Come right in Sam and feel free to kick some arses.
195 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:41:59
Alladyce got his dream job and fucked it up within 60 odd days by being a greedy, corrupt bastard. For those baying for this dinosaur to be appointed who would argue the ends justify the means, history, business and sport is littered with the cases when adopting a short term approach is disastrous for the long term good
There are young available managers with plenty to prove, who would jump at the chance to come here. Our inept leadership of the club has had over a month to sort this out.
196 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:42:49
None of this guff about everyone's entitled to their view, thanks. Every decent Evertonian is entitled to want us to stay up, right?
197 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:42:58
A 2½-year contract with the fat crook at £3M a year and I'm sure he'll even bring his own pen (stolen from WH Smith) to the contract signing.
198 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:43:17
199 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:45:52
200 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:46:47
If he is made manager we are still Everton and I will follow them through thick and thin whoever the manager is.
If you don't want to go or watch anymore there is always other teams you can go watch!!!
201 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:46:52
Everton will ALWAYS be my team but in principle, I will not support FS to glorify his fat ego using our club. I am disgusted with Moshiri. I don't care how many billion he has, he has proven himself to be a typical money man with no heart for football.
I guess in future we'd better be careful what we wish for. We wanted a billionaire and now we have one. Only now we have one who is prostituting our club.
202 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:48:54
203 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:49:15
On another subject, thanks for inspiring me to put some of my memories on paper, [so to speak] I may have invented "Cyber paper," following my piece on Wally Fielding. There is a contribution on the thread right now, "Favourites aren't always best" but because of the controversy over the Allardyce issue, it may be in danger of being overlooked.
As for your principles, you may not have to carry out your threat, because at the moment no decision has been made. Best wishes whichever way it goes.
204 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:49:46
There is an outside chance that with the right manager, organisation and motivation we could turn this around. If that is Big Sam then so be it.
205 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:50:44
I never thought wed have Allardyce in charge, but if he stops us shipping so many goals, and puts a rocket up certain players, then Im all for it. We are in the shit, make no mistake.
207 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:53:44
208 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:54:27
That's a fair enough post and I accept your points. The more I'm thinking about Allardyce and in the context of our current situation and in the light some of the frighteningly poor performances I've witnessed the more I'm beginning to think it's what our 'lost' players need.
It's easy to have a go at Allardyce for a number of reasons but I do think he's far more progressive than the dinosaur image superficially portrays.
In conclusion if he gets the job I'm willing to give him a chance and the season ticket stays in my wallet!
209 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:54:33
Don't go to game? Fine!
Don't buy merchandise? Fine!
Cancel Sky TV? Even better.
Just don't blah on about rather see the club relegated etc...
210 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:54:55
211 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:56:15
And Geoff (199) that's not being a fan. That's blind, unthinking fanaticism. That's saying "I don't give a monkey's about ethics or integrity or if the club appoints a blatantly corrupt individual because I support them no matter what." Reduced to absurdity, you'd therefore support an Everton side that was managed by Gary Glitter, or owned by Robert Mugabe, would you?
There are some of us, proud Evertonians, who care about things like the club's integrity, reputation and moral compass. What we're seeing here are that there are plenty of people who don't give a rat's backside for any of that as long as the team wins on a Saturday. Which says a lot.
212 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:56:24
Which football club has a Chief Ex for ten plus years who's previous biggest job was as an assistant at a Rugby league club? He keeps his job because he is a Yes-man which is what Bill likes.
Which football club is sold and the previous owner of the football club is still in charge of negotiating deals?
Which football clubs take over twenty years to get a ground built. I mean the fans could have put hard hats on and built it ourselves in that time.
Which football club employs the same manager for over eleven year even though he never won anything and failed to win at the ground of four clubs despite having over 45 attempts to do. David was a Yes man!
This is Bill's toy and because he is a small minded man we've slowly had to suffer becoming a small club.
Before the champions league draw in 2005 Kenwright was asked "who are you hoping for Bill?" "I'm happy just to be here" was his response that says it all really. We will suffer and suffer until this man is gone from the board and the football club.
213 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:58:50
214 Posted 27/11/2017 at 18:59:34
You know why?
Because protest per se (even if I don't agree with the object if it's to prevent Allardyce coming in) is a legitimate and effective way to enact much needed change.
You want to kiss Kenwright's infallible ring and applaud the old clown, go right ahead. We're already reaping the fruits of that mentality. It tolerates the intolerable and perpetuates the stasis.
That all said... I reluctantly support the appointment of Allardyce, but only because of his specialist skill set and the great need for it we find ourselves in.
215 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:00:11
Apparently Mr Moshiri himself lives in a tax haven... it didn't stop our Chairman getting him on board or most of us on here extolling his virtues as a successful businessman.
The Premier League, Sky, BT the FA (yes the same FA who let Lukaku off with no ban for two kicks, but ban Niasse for two games after being fouled, and the same FA who sacked Sam for being a little gullible) all either run the game or make money out of it, or pay everyone in it. Are they all lovely clean saints?
It is a business with more shysters than most others so why pick on Allardyce? Is he any worse than Venables, Redknapp et al?
216 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:00:23
217 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:00:53
After what we have witnessed lately I will take Sam now in a heartbeat.
Those mentioning his style of football ask yourselves this can it be much worse than what we have seen from Koeman? I don't think so
Also, I'd take Sam any day over Martin O'Neill
218 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:01:13
It will take him time but as long as come the last game of the season we are clear of relegation then he will have done a fantastic job.
As for all those who no longer wish to support Everton Football Club, then I say cheerio. I am sure your principles will be adequately catered for supporting more principled teams if you can find one.
Oh and as for all those foreign managers mentioned I'm sure their wonderful open free flowing football will be more appreciated at some other School of Science Club.
219 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:02:40
220 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:02:49
I can stomach his football. I cant stomach the thought of that greedy bastard lining his pockets by skimming off the top. The thought that hes only bought the random African fella because the agent will make a donation into a secret Swiss bank account.
If youre happy with all that fine. But you have to draw the line somewhere and for a lot of us, Allardyce is so far over it hes off the horizon.
Thanks Jim and Colin and good luck to the rest of you. Im out.
221 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:02:54
One thing I would never do is stop going to the match just because I don't like the choice of a new manager. To me that is just ridiculous. We all need to stick together and give the club and team all the support we can. I think there are a few on here who agree with me.
222 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:04:08
It was a different matter though, more to do with the way our chairman and manager, had been able to lower expectation so much and still be lauded, but it didn't mean I loved Everton, any less though.
Back to the now, and I keep hearing people talk about “Our DNA” which is something I really understand. We have played more top flight football, than any other club, and it's something I've always been very, very proud of.
We love skill, we love style, we love class, but most of all we love the thing that is sadly lacking, and is obviously the biggest part of Everton Football Club's DNA. We love fucking fight, and if we don't find it soon, then the thing that makes me most proud, will soon be gone.
223 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:04:10
224 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:04:31
We don't have players to scrap. No Kevin Nolan and no Kevin Davies.
225 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:05:00
If these two idiots cant agree on a manager then we are well and truly up shits creek.
226 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:05:33
227 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:06:18
"You want to kiss Kenwright's infallible ring and applaud the old clown, go right ahead". And that's careless and lazy I certainly don't want to do any of that. He doesn't have my support.
My point is simply that we all want the lads to win on the pitch. Deliberate non-attendance is in danger of the lads on the pitch getting the wrong message. You really want them to play with no fan support during the game?
228 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:08:14
The Everton fans who hounded Martinez out of the club for trying to play football as per our traditions and getting us to 2 semi finals in his last year and never having us anywhere near the relegation zone should be reflecting quietly to themselves as Sam Allardyce takes the reins as manager of Everton Football Club!
229 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:08:39
Leave your NSNO sentiments at the turnstile if this man is appointed. And, get a few more divers in January. Could be the difference in going down or staying up. It could provide a few more points.
Oh, and I see 30% have changed their mind since last week. What a principled bunch we are.
230 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:09:59
He is part of a merry-go-round of mediocrity that has handed out a living to several managers in this league.
Ill repeat the black heart of this club lies at the top. Sam is waaay smarter than these planks. Do you really think this board is clever enough to insert a break clause to dispense with this horrible man? Nah, Allardyce will bend them over and ensure that doesnt happen.
The fact the board were not brave enough to either stick with Koeman, or boldly appoint Unsworth to give him a mandate with the players tells you everything.
Sam will out manoeuvre these clowns, take no responsibility for burdening the club with poor players, destroy the youth players and get to walk away.
If a longer term appointment was to be made and we went down so be it. This club needs a massive rebirth however astringent that feels to many.
The bottom half of the Premier League is so poor that even with the set of dysfunctional fuckwits we have running the place we still dont need or want Sam.
231 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:10:33
232 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:14:02
I want to appeal to all Everton fans to unite and get behind the club unconditionally for the rest of the season.
This is it , this is the final decision this season , no protests are going to change anything. More division and unrest will be detrimental to the club we love.
Amnesty until June.
233 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:14:19
Big Sam had already publicly rejected us. He's retired and should stay away
He's all money money money. Palace were the perfect team for him, pace, strength, target man up top, big 'proper' lads at the back mixed with a few quality midfielders but he walked out on them. I'm embarrassed to be linked to Sam the man.
If (and I don't believe we are) looking short term it could be a disaster as we don't have the type of players needed. Pulis has far more class, humility, respect and staying power and just as good a keep 'em up record on a tighter budget.
234 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:17:10
The guy is as bent a two bob note and shouldn't be anywhere near football, never mind Goodison. He should have been banned from the game after his antics when England manager – whatever happened to 'bringing the game into disrepute'?
We don't need to throw away our dignity to chase Premier league survival. We have a good squad that needs a bid size 10 up the backside from a manager who knows what he's doing (i.e. not Unsworth). Allardyce is not the only available manager on the planet ffs.
235 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:18:08
In plainer words, they can play in front of empty stands if it means they and the board up their game; abstinence is a short term pain for a long term gain.
And apologies for the prat insult, way out of line, but I only had 2 hours of kip last night...
236 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:18:39
237 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:19:06
239 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:20:53
The thing is, this is a difficult time of the season to find a manager, and we are looking so awful that a few blokes who, in better times, would have happily come here, are too scared to come now.
240 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:20:59
241 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:21:18
If he hadn't been a bit too loose lipped he probably would have been taking England to the World Cup in the summer. With what is available, and our current position, we could do worse.
242 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:21:28
Moshiri has tried to run before he could walk. Comparing us to Man City when they first hit the jackpot. They appointed Mark Hughes to steady the ship and bring proven players from other Premier League teams, that is the stage we are at now. If Big Sam does that he will then get the chop and be replaced by a Mancini type and so on.
Big Sam is a specialist at fighting fires and we are ablaze.
243 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:21:33
And, imo, he is a much better manager that Martinez and Koeman combined.
244 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:23:38
245 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:24:29
Jay Jay Okocha, Gary Speed, Youri Djorkaeff, Nicolas Anelka and Ivan Campo were not long ball hoof merchants. David Unsworth (was himself) and Phil Jagielka always has been.
We are nowhere near Spurs these days guys be honest, Sam will be a good appointment. I just hope he can work with the crap he's inherited until January.
246 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:24:57
Jay, I don't like Bill. I don't like Sam. Both understatements! I just think there are better ways to show our disapproval of Sam, if appointed. I don't want any action that could enfeeble an already-fragile squad of players.
We all want the same for the team. COYB.
248 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:25:38
You are right there are many on here that agree with you, however there are also many that don't which would demonstrate what a divisive appointment this would be.
249 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:25:56
I do believe we need to respect each other's beliefs. Whether you plan to stay away because you can't stomach Sam or you believe in showing support no matter what, if you're acting on conscience you deserve that respect. Name-calling and taunting amongst ourselves accomplishes nothing.
250 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:27:48
251 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:27:54
252 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:28:18
You see, if you want to be the most pious Evertonian on here, you've got to at least be consistent. Green, the pensioners friend, was our master for years. Not a peep as far as I can remember, from the parish priests above.
253 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:28:29
Yes, he likes the long ball. He admitted it. Wants to get the ball forward as quick as possible. Yes he is defensive, as he says if it's nil-nil you are still in the game and can win with one goal.
Also said it was important not to lose t ball in your own half. So he gets the basics right. Won't expect great attacking football but we haven't had that for years.
Also come across as a passionate manager who will get the best from his players whoever they are and he won't be swayed by big egos. The guy is dying to get back into management to prove a point.
For me I think if it happens it wouldn't be all bad and maybe give us time to get things sorted with the back room staff and hopefully a few things sorted at board level.
254 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:30:07
If results are all that matter to you then you don't even begin to understand what this club means. Allardyce has no place here and to even contemplate his presence is a the worst condemnation you could visit upon this wretchedly managed organisation.
I've been there week in week out since the 61-62 season and this may be the first time that I've had to consider being ashamed of this club.
If this crooked chancer is all we can aspire to then give up. The future is too dire to contemplate.
255 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:31:12
256 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:33:06
They are now under tremendous pressure to appoint a new manager.
It's easy for us to say do this, do that, avoid him, hire him etc.
The board have to act on facts:
- We are a really poor team
- We have injuries throughout the squad
- We are over-reliant on youngsters
- We are probably going to get relegated!Relegation would destroy our plans of a new stadium etc!
We must avoid relegation!
257 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:34:08
Football is full of money grabbers and the moral high ground is hard to define. Harry Rednapp once said that anyone managing at a decent level should be a rich man. Allardyce got caught but his treatment by the FA was unfair and spineless.
I will support Everton no matter.To those who won't go if Allardyce is appointed, I respect your stance. For me, however, it would feel like pissing in the wind. A few days of righteous indignation, then missing something that is a big part of my life. High horses tend to be not much fun to be on for long.
258 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:34:17
And while he pissed on his chips in the most profoundly stupid and arrogant manner let's not kid ourselves that we are above such shenanigans: anyone who was there for the Wimbledon game cannot have been dreading that game being investigated along with the Fashanu - Grobellar malarkey it was all Segers could do not to fall on diamond's pen.
We are in deep shit and if he is our only hope what kind of idiot would want to see us in the Championship to say I told you so. I think we all feel underwhelmed by the leadership but that's not changing any time soon
259 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:34:21
Good 'un, Mike Berry.
260 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:36:19
As regards playing honestly. Well, lots there isn't there. I must admit I seem to remember a penalty decision gained "honestly" a few years back against Wimbledon at home.
Sorry mate this is no time to get high horse principled. We are in the shit and to get out of it we have to do and employ people to get us out of it.
If Sam does conjure up a miracle at the end of the season let's have a rethink. If we get another "Wimbledon" penalty on Wednesday night that gets us 3 points against the Hammers, then I will be there cheering it on!!
261 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:36:40
262 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:37:13
The team is so poor it beggars belief. Old pros past it, young players struggling, new players having failed to adapt, players out of position, good players injured, the back room staff, the application, motivation of some of the squad... the list is endless we are in serious trouble even for Allardyce keeping us up is going to be a big ask.
263 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:38:04
264 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:39:11
265 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:39:15
266 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:39:28
269 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:44:06
270 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:44:13
After he & his entourage have swept in, possibly avoided relegation & then swept out again with as much money as they can grab, I think it will leave the Club rather hollowed out & the long term damage may be far more than the possible short term gain.
So what initially seems to be the kiss of life may ultimately prove to be the kiss of death.
271 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:44:27
Although the board explored various options, I think the hope all along was that Unsworth would be able to steady the ship until the end of the season, at which point a proper search could be conducted, with far more options at our disposal.
When it became clear that probably wouldn't work, we zeroed in on Silva, but Watford didn't want to play ball.
I think the overall strategy remains the same go for a big name in the summer. As happy as I'd be to see Dyche get the job, clearly the board isn't willing to commit to him at this juncture. So the problem is, if Unsworth isn't the answer, who can we effectively bring in as a short-term fix? I think most of us would jump at Guus Hiddink, but he doesn't appear to be in the frame.
That leaves Allardyce, who, of course, now has all the leverage and will no doubt be angling for a long-term contract... I just pray Moshiri is willing to sack him and pay him off at the end of the season, unless the results go truly above and beyond.
272 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:45:59
Lets see if this works
273 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:46:11
I do not think he is a crook. We can leave that stuff to the London clubs and the Italian league.
However, as I read on another thread we have seen a progression from Martinez "losing the players", Koeman "losing the players" and now Unsworth "losing the players", and that there is something common to these three debacles, and it's not a similarity of management.
I actually think this squad deserves the thoroughly dreadful time that Allardyce will deliver. It may be that he can put both some fear and some backbone into this overpaid rabble. It may be that a Reign of Terror is the only way that the club can be saved, and given that my loyalty (I'm 3rd generation, my son and nephews are 4th generation Evertonians) is not to the current transient bunch of "can't be arsed" mercenaries.
This is not to exonerate the board, Koeman or anyone else, but my loyalty is to the club and my fellow supporters and many past players. It is not to the current team, or the current management, it is rather something tribal, irrational, and continuous.
If Sam Allardyce is the cure, the disease must be very serious, but I'm now persuaded that it is.
274 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:46:16
275 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:46:19
Needs must now, and the club and supporters must embrace who ever comes in. I hope Unsworth gets charge of the U23s and gets them back on track.
This website must have created records this season for the interest by TW followers, and hopefully all will get behind the new boss, Fat Sam or who ever. The loyalty and passion of Evertonians and rallying to the cause is inspiring and I hope the board wake up to this, though I still think there will be exits from the board after this saga is closed.
The club is at the pivotal point in its history and survival is a must and starts vs The Hammers... I hope.
278 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:48:14
279 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:48:24
Unlike the others, Allardyce has actually been sacked for corruption. Everyone knows his reputation, and that he's been involved with a huge number of corrupt deals in his career. By appointing him, knowing all this, our club is saying "we don't care about ethics". By applauding the idea of appointing this fat crook, so are many of you on here are saying exactly the same. If you don't care for the club's reputation; if you don't care for morals, or ethics, or being seen to do the right thing; if you think appointing a crook is okay because hey there are loads of crooks in football, and what does it matter if Everton give their most important, most prominent job to another one - then fine. I applaud your honesty. But don't accuse those of us who hope for something a bit more from our club of not being fans, or suggest that we go support someone else.
Everyone on here wants the best for the club. I'm personally just not willing to say that results on the pitch are so important that they trump doing what's right in life.
This is all assuming the fat gobshite takes the job, mind. One thing we can definitely say: he's not going to be universally popular, and that's hardly a great start given morale is rock bottom amongst fans already.
280 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:48:29
They'll be shipped out, sold off or sent back to the Under-23s while he retains the old guard and wheeler-deals his way through half of Europe in search of random workhorse mediocrities who'll give even less of a flying fuck about the club than that fraud Schneiderlin or shithouse-in-chief Mirallas.
I wish his footballing philosophy was the worst of it, but it's all the other stuff that really bothers me. He's just a fucking hideous human being with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. He stands for the opposite of what Everton means to me. This is my 47th season supporting the club and I can't recall a time when I felt worse about it. I won't be boycotting the matches but it really will stick in the craw trying to muster up enthusiasm for an Allardyce Everton. Try saying that out loud, sounds and tastes poisonous doesn't it. I'd rather try and fight our way out of this hole with anyone but him. And calling him 'Big Sam' by the way, just humanises him, like calling Thatcher 'Maggie' or that Johnson 'Boris'.
To those who claim he's our best (or only) chance of survival I say this. Develop some fucking principles, we're better than this bastard, even if it means going down, or does staying in the Holy Grail of the almighty Premier League, awash with it's filthy Murdoch millions, a division which Everton haven't got a cat in hell's chance of winning in the next million years, really mean more to you than the club holding on to a shred of integrity.
By the way, here's a prediction. If we do survive under this morbidly obese conman, the vast majority of those currently in support of him now, will turn like the townsfolk of Hamlin turned on the Pied Piper, and chase him out, leaving a husk of a club, without identity, burdened with a squad full of even more overpaid, undermotivated deadbeats than we already have. May God have mercy on our souls.
281 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:49:28
282 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:49:33
283 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:49:41
However no-one should question, and hopefully not disagree with his desire to keep the unique soul of the club as it has always been. A return of the School of Science would probably be his ultimate wish and he would have plenty of followers on that one however unrealistic it might be. He would never have appointed Allardyce.
There is probably therefor only one thing that would help to make the appointment of Allardyce slightly more bearable and that would be for Bill to resign in protest. The thought of Bill cuddling up to Sam Allardyce would be the ultimate betrayal of the ideals he has always sought to promote, and his resignation would emphasise the unpopularity of the appointment.
284 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:50:25
285 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:52:21
286 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:53:05
I will still go no matter what, but doesn't make me a better Evertonian than someone who can't go. I just think we all need to stick together in our support for the eleven players on the pitch.
I guess we will soon find out if / when Allardyce is appointed, but I don't think the attendance will be dropping, with the sold out signs still being displayed.
288 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:54:04
289 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:54:50
291 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:55:26
292 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:56:15
293 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:57:35
294 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:57:56
However, I would have thought there is far more reason to be principled and not to support the Club by us being involved with a Knight of the Realm who knowingly fleeced off thousands rather than us appointing Sam Allardyce.
295 Posted 27/11/2017 at 19:58:00
However I, like many I suspect, suspend a small degree of principle when it comes to watching my football team which just happens to be Everton. For example I ignore the disgusting wages that footballers and managers pocket with a degree of entitlement paid for by me and people like me through the turnstiles and through TV Sport.
For me, the 30,000 people who pay each week to watch Everton at Goodison Park and the several thousand who travel to away games deserve something which, for an fathomable irrational reason, can carry them through the next week or so in an uplifted mood. The ability of a good win can transcend so many of the hassles of daily life in a way that's almost primeval.
So for all those Evertonians taking a lofty view of the indiscretions of Allardyce, who at this moment in time, should he be appointed, may well be our saviour, I say, park it and give us a break. Save your sanctimonious views for some future time matters when it may be more relevant to our daily lives.
Let's survive this season and save the debate on moral righteousness for another time maybe when we've just won the league.
296 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:01:45
Agree. If the fans making dramatic resignations on here do go, they will not be missed.
297 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:02:59
This club has been rotting for years, if Sam is our next manager how on earth could it be worse than the other names/times above?
298 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:04:14
Just by way of protest at the club, I'm going to leave the underline tag open-ended (I'm a web developer, just for the record!) for now...
299 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:04:35
During the 1980's I saw more long ball football from Everton than most other clubs. Sharp and Gray thrived on that sort of football.
Didn't work out too bad!!
300 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:04:54
302 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:07:32
303 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:08:57
I've not influenced him at all, he just asked his mum for an Everton shirt for Xmas as that's who would be supporting.
So I asked him if he was worried about the results and how the team we're playing and hoped that he would stay a blue, and not desert the team.
He said, “Grandad, we're born blues, we don't change.”
304 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:09:02
One statement is used to harangue the guy instead of looking at the positives he brought to the club. Dour or not, he made us a better club and team.
Against my better judgement, I have just watched MotD2. (My girl has been over from Germany for a four day break so we've had a great time and I fortunately missed that shite yesterday.) That was as poor a team as I have seen since I started going in the fifties.
305 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:09:10
306 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:10:54
307 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:12:06
Well??? Then we can well and truly say, you couldn't write the script!
311 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:18:41
Ask Sunderland fans a simple question Allardyce or Moyes? We both know the answer.
Yes, the Moyes statement is overused but he said it. And in 11 years Everton never winning at Anfield, Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal, I can only assume the statement is correct. Not all Moyes's seasons were top 10 either, but 11 years is a long time to try to get it right.
314 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:22:34
315 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:22:37
We have been playing boot the ball up the field throughout 2017 and doing it very badly.
316 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:24:17
317 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:25:04
This nose in the air he's not good enough for us business, good god we have not won a thing for twenty plus years and growing.
It's okay talking about wanting ball on the ground, pretty football and be successful at the same time.
Apart from the usual top 6 clubs who else in the league can attract and afford the quality players that you need to do it.
We all need to get behind him and make him feel welcome then see how things work out, we might be pleasantly surprised about the quality of the football!
He's going to have his work cut out though to avoid relegation, its going to be tough we need reinforcements desperately.
318 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:27:41
319 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:28:53
It's all about context, the Kendall Mk III, Walter Smith and even David Moyes eras were accepted because we didn't have the money to do much else given we have a Billionaire on board and expectations have skyrocketed in the last couple of years as borne out by the record number of season ticket sales and waiting lists. It wasn't with the view that at some point so early in the project we would be looking at a Big Sam to help us avoid a possible relegation.
I have little or no time for Big Sam but like most I'll put up with it because I have no say in the matter and I'll be at Goodison for the remainder of this season and beyond and hopefully we'll remain in the top division for many more years to come.
It is not a given that Big Sam or anyone else will turn this team into an effective points winning unit but we have to hope that happens as relegation will put paid to any hope of us rejoining the elite, in fact it might consign us to the dustbin of history, from that perspective it is probably a practical appointment but it doesn't and won't sit well with me or a few others.
I hope those who suggest that Sam hasn't been given a chance at a major club and thus might surprise us all, by firstly securing our status and then taking us on the road to glory are proved correct as that's what we all want for the club regardless of who happens to be in charge of team affairs.
We'll have to wait and see what happens between now and the end of the season but I won't be surprised if the number of season tickets sold for 2018-19 is down by a significant percentage even if Big Sam does manage to keep us in the Premier League.
320 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:29:55
He's engaging, intelligent and he can motivate players. It's a little lazy to throw the old ‘long ball ‘ criticisms at him he hasn't survived this long in the game by just doing that.
The sad fact is even Allardyce might not save us. He has more to lose than us in someways, Everton could be his last job and tarnish his CV.
Whoever walks in the door, they're going to need our support and they will need Goodison to get behind him. Those who are currently turning their noses up perhaps underestimate our current predicament.
321 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:29:55
I think that is a legitimate question. If Sam is appointed then we have wasted valuable time.
That doesn't mean we would now be transformed into a winning team, I think far from it. I doubt results would not have changed too much. However, I do think some sort of plan and formation would have been put in place to stand us in better stead and doubt we would have shipped as many goals.
Whether it's Sam or someone else this is going to takes weeks and a transfer window to sort out which hopefully, will enable us to avoid a relegation battle.
This waste of time just supports the accusation of incompetence at Board level.
322 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:30:44
That lad Jose Baxter?
Unless we have an agreed ethical position, in writing, you will find the moral goalposts moving as much as the real ones.
Such a policy is vital in most companies to prevent decisions being made based on the moral code of just one person or in the heat of the moment.
323 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:31:51
324 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:32:45
325 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:33:25
326 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:36:24
We tightened our belts practically before any other Premier League club. We became a selling club the second Duncan Ferguson was sold in 1998 and ever since we have had very limited transfer resources.
Yes we broke transfer records various times throughout Moyes' reign but net spend was always very low and even as recently as 2011 we entered a season having sold quality players and scraped together Royston's Drenthe and Denis Stracqualursi.
Quite frankly the sheer mismanagement of the club at the executive level has brought us to this moment.
The excellence of Barkley and Lukaku have masked the dire squad assembled over the last few years.
327 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:38:35
328 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:40:19
Seeing how much bitter fighting is happening on this very page is revealing in itself. The club is eating itself from within. This is a long long way from the Everton I grew up supporting, that we all grew up supporting. This is painful.
This is watching something that's very close to your heart wither completely. This is like watching a horse go around with a broken leg. It's just horrible.
I respect the posters stating their "principles" on Allardyce. And other matters. But I would like to remind them that posts stating principles are easily mistook for moralizing; perhaps that has even occurred here.
Being an Evertonian means different things to different people. If we get relegated attendance will drop. But people will still keep going. And if we suffer back to back relegations, attendance will drop further. But people albeit less people will still be going.
I respect everyone for supporting Everton especially just now!!! but I also respect everyone's right to do that on their terms. I don't respect catcalls to people who threaten to withdraw their support, but I also don't respect people pointlessly stating the conditions under which their support will be withdrawn.
Most of us have reached a point where EFC provides very little joy and or satisfaction anymore. In that light, is it a surprise that people Ken Buckley, Richard Dodd, et al have found better things to do?
329 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:40:44
330 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:40:45
331 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:40:55
Somebody who could take us forward and break that ceiling. Instead that fraud Kenwright went for the cheap lazy option with the idiot Martinez and look where we are now. Say what you like about Moyes but he left us in decent shape.
We had a decent squad and we had watched more decent football in his 10 years than we had for 10 years previously. That team with Cahill Arteta Bainaar Jagielka Lescott etc was a bloody good side and we put some good sides to the sword especially at Goodison. Just a shame we couldn't have the belief to do it away when it mattered.
Now we are back to square 1 and it looks like fucking Allardyce is coming. Ffs I hope you're fucking happy Kenwright you gobshite. Brent was right earlier, we shouldn't be protesting at the expense of not going to the game, we should be protesting long and hard before the game to get rid of Kenwright and his cronies.
Moshiri has 49.9% of the shares and is not in charge of the club because Kenwright has all the rest if the votes in his pocket. How is that being a good Evertonian?
It's because he's desperately hanging onto power whatever the cost and now it's costing Everton big time because he still wants to run the show. We know what Kenwright can do, fuck all. He brings nothing, no money or know-how.
He's brought Moshiri on board so he can say he has sold the club look how good I am. But at a cost, he's still in charge because he made sure Moshiri couldn't get a majority vote. We should be protesting long and hard on Wednesday to get that fucking idiot Kenwright out of our club before he does irreparable damage and we are finally relegated.
332 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:42:30
Give Sam the long-term deal he wants, let him keep us up, eat the contract in the summer and bring in some who better represents our long-term ambitions. Right now our only concern should be staying up.
No-one does that better than Sam and he's done it with less talent than we have on our squad.
333 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:43:58
Spot on - but you forgot to say the same fool that sold our top scorer to his chums at Man Utd in mid-July in order to get a washed-up alehouse back with other failed old-boys like Dunc, Jeffers, Baxter & Co.
334 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:48:03
Or even the "Sir Big Sam Stand" if Lizzy gets generous with next years knighthoods .
335 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:48:14
Nope, it is real.
If this is true, and it's only rumour currently, then I am deeply disappointed. But I am also deeply worried by a very realistic threat of relegation.
We have no confidence, no leadership (on or off the pitch) and currently we are a 100% doomed club.
We are now in a desperate predicament and we need someone who knows how to turn a club around quickly. I can see why he is a candidate. I don't like it, but I do understand it.
Normally I am no admirer of Allardyce or his dodgy reputation (alluded to everywhere but not proven in any court) but he is only dodgy Sam and not 'Son of Sam' as many are treating him.
As far as giving up supporting the club? Get a grip boys. If Moshiri was going for Adolf then yes I'd stop going and wait for a return to sanity; but if it is Allardyce I'd bite my tongue and pray he can turn this Titanic scenario around.
The thought of relegation is far scarier to me than the thought of Allardyce. If he comes, may it be short and sweet.
336 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:48:47
Kenwright failed us by following the the long Moyes era with defo the at wrong manager at a time when Mauricio Pochettino was going to Southampton or Spurs.
337 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:49:21
As I've remarked before, what Allardyce brings to the club in brand perception which sadly is everything these days is 'struggling club', bottom third of the Premier League etc etc. This 'crisis' lies at the hands of Koeman and whoever decided that Walsh could work some magic.
Whatever people say about Moyes, he engendered some team spirit, a real pride in playing for us, as did Martinez to some degree. I have to question what has gone so wrong so quickly among the players themselves. I can't believe that the likes of Jagielka and Baines have lost the will to live but I suppose even the Morale Officer on the Titanic had to call an end to deckchair rearranging at some point.
338 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:55:29
What have we become.
339 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:55:42
To me, the battle is not between us but with Board.
340 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:58:25
341 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:58:27
No refunds accepted.
342 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:59:16
343 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:59:27
I want someone who is going to stop the rot and actually manage the players. Someone who will play with a consistent shape and someone who will, crucially, wins some games and get us moving up the table.
I don't care if he trousered a few quid in the past. I don't care if his style doesn't suit some puritans. All I care about this season is not being relegated.
344 Posted 27/11/2017 at 20:59:42
345 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:00:56
Joe, you can compare Moyes at Everton and Moyes at Sunderland in the same way as you can compare Alan Ball at Everton and Alan Ball playing in Hong Kong at the end of his career. Two different times, two different clubs, two different entities entirely.
Moyes, and I don't particularly enjoy admitting it because it'll bring all the Moyes haters out, gave this club self respect, some dignity back, and left us a million miles better than the relegation certs he took over, AND we played some terrific football at times.
Since then we've gone down season on season until now when we must be relegation favourites after that spineless, disjointed and woeful display at Saints, who are another crap side. So how bad are we?
346 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:01:06
See post #329 for links to Daily Mirror article.
347 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:01:18
Who this person is and what they do in their spare time is irrelevant to me. They just have to keep us in the big league!
348 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:02:18
349 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:03:05
Then more duds will be bought and we will struggle again, Sam will be sacked. Then we will wait another 5 weeks to bring in another manager.
The board will procrastinate and Pulis will be brought into save us again. Moshiri in 4 years will have paid millions to end Martinez, Koeman, Sam and Pulis tenure as managers at Everton.
350 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:03:32
No, desperate times call for desperate measures. Even Big Sam will struggle to put Everton back on an even keel with the players that we have got - but he'll at least know what to do come the January transfer window. And as for, ceasing to support Everton if he is appointed, then that is a grouse with the current Board not with the institution that is Everton. If you truly are chosen, you cannot just suddenly switch off the affinity with the club.
Given differing circumstances, Allardyce wouldn't be my first choice but I'll give him my support from day one and see how things develop before drawing any longer term conclusions.
351 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:06:03
That combination would put the cat among our docile chickens. You heard it here, folks.
352 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:06:22
I really don't know how they are convinced with big Sam and not with Dyche. I want Kenwright out also but he's not going anywhere in a hurry... not until Moshiri pulls his finger out and buy focker out... totally.
353 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:06:43
Good post Dave. I am a season ticket holder but, you know what, I don't think I can be arsed travelling a 100 miles round trip to watch that shower of frauds on Wednesday.
354 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:07:46
Gary, I don't remember any outrage from you after we employed a convicted drunk driver and class A drug abuser. Or are they any different to financial crimes?
Not to mention issues with paid services a few years ago. I wonder if that has caused the morally-outraged to stay away?
I get the divisiveness of appointing Sam Allardyce. But there are some double-standards being applied here.
Doesn't everyone (well, with a few exceptions e.g. John Venables) deserve a second chance?
Sam Allardyce is possibly / probably being appointed as a football manager, not club pastor.
If he does have need of redemption then I hope he can gain that with EFC.
That concludes this week's sermon.
As Dave Allen used to say may your God go with you.
355 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:08:27
This may well be the worst Everton team I've seen in 30-plus years of support. I for one will gladly take someone who can stop this rot, because at the moment we are championship bound.
I'm no Allardyce fan by any means, but if the man can turn this round, and get us winning again, I for one won't care about dodgy dealings or any other crap people think about him.
356 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:10:24
Why not Dyche who seemed to really want the job?
Why not Wagner who's created a team out of battlers and rejects?
Why not Hughton who's made a solid team out of Brighton and who did a cracking job at Newcastle?
At least they are not corrupt and greedy.
358 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:12:24
The Manager Sam Allardyce in a word: "Incompatible".
359 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:12:49
I'd rather get relegated... It has to be Dyche if he will come, he is young, ambitious and if it turns out to be relegation at least he knows the way back to the Premier League. He is the only viable option I can see at this stage.
360 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:13:39
If the reason you don't want to watch the greatest club in the world is because we are appointing the best man to avert the biggest disaster to happen to the club in my lifetime, goodbye, may see you when we are doing well again and appoint Pep Guardiola.
361 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:14:21
It was like Koeman trying to sign Giroud, no Plan B. The same with Silva, no Plan B either... and now it's panic stations with big Sam. We're a total laughing stock.
362 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:14:26
Heaven from Hell,
Blue skies from pain.
Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail?
363 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:15:53
Hes tired of cutting cabbages in Kerry, Limerick and Tyrone
He misses Anna Liffey, the coddle and the crack
Sam is coming home again, he wants a welcome back
364 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:16:31
No one like this goal then?
Joe royle, Gray, Latchford??? We don't like these either?
As for his fraudulent tenancies. SAF son is an agent, Moyes brother, souness owned shares in an agency whilst managing. they are all at it.
You must all be saints.
And imagine all the shit Usmanov has done in to get were he is. You all can't wait for him to arrive. He isn't by the way.
365 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:17:50
Martinez was a clown by the end and the thrashings at Anfield were embarrassing but the home wins against Arsenal and United, the away win at Old Trafford and the draw at the Emirates were the most optimistic ive been in decades. It felt like we were going somewhere. There were good times under Moyes too but we seem a long way off any positivity tonight. I feel anger but mainly sadness. We need to stick together though and make the Old Lady like a bear pit again.
366 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:19:13
367 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:21:34
And so we face the final curtain
My friends, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain
We've lived a life that's full
We've traveled each and every highway
But more, much more than this
We did it our way
Regrets, we've had a few (the Dutchman)
But then again, too few to mention (i wish)
We did what we had to do
And saw it through without exemption
We planned each charted course
Each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this
We did it our way
Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When we bit off more than we could chew (Gilfi)
But through it all, when there was doubt
We ate it up and spit it out
We faced it all and we stood tall
And did it our way
We've loved, laughed and cried (a lot)
We've had our fill our share of losing (you can say that again)
We do it Sam's way
369 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:26:38
You sack the Manager conduct a potential problem analysis. The appointment of a new manager should be executed via a decision analysis looking at the 'Musts' and the weighted 'Wants'... the clowns have no fucking idea!
370 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:31:06
Unethical for me, but nowhere near as bad as a certain premier league club we know who had a certain 'advisor'. Now that, and he, was unethical.
371 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:31:47
I certainly dont believe him to be the footballing dinosaur hes being made out to be. Hes a pragmatist, if hes brought in to fight relegation he will do whats necessary, but equally he showed at Bolton that he can work with flair players.
One thing, if these stories are true, he has played an absolute blinder over the past week - walking away from the Billionaire sounding him out, spending a few days in the sun in Dubai chuckling, hearing about us letting 9 goals in, now playing the coquette, making out he “vonts to be alone” to consider whether this is the right move for him. Im beginning to warm to him. Im also beginning to think Mr Moshiri became a billionaire by starting off with 2 billion.
Come what may, whoever takes over, Ill continue to attend.
372 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:31:47
I heard that you're on your own now
So am I
I'm living alone now
I was wrong
So were you
What will you do?
Are you glad to be free?
Are you feeling lost just like me?
Longing for company
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
Come around and talk awhile
I need your smile
You need a shoulder
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
And the door is open wide
Come on inside
Longing to see you
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
I find the days hard to face now
There's much too much space now
And the nights go so slow
I'm sure you know
Wish I knew what to do
It would be so nice seeing you
And it might help you too
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
Come around and talk awhile
I need your smile
You need a shoulder
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
And the door is open wide
Come on inside
Longing to see you
Oh Sam, Sam, you know where I am
Oh Sam, you know where I am
Oh Sam, ooh Sam
You know, you know
You know where I am
373 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:34:56
Question is that he turned down palace as he didnt want another club job. Does he have the stamina?
Questions about style of play and whether hed play the young players are irrelevant at the moment. We are heading to the championship no doubt without a radical change
Hes always said hes so well given a chance at a big club so lets see
374 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:35:43
Same could be said of Allardyce. Unsie is a nice, thoughtful and passionate man - an Evertonian. Yet it was too soon, and too complex for him to sort out the mess he walked into. I hope he stays and continues to work his magic with the U23s.
When you look at it Sam Allardyce is probably the right fit to get things in order, and he's itching to prove a point after the England debacle. That point being he's not just the hatchet rescue man, that he can build a team to take on the best.
So... apart from Dyche and Allardyce I can't see anyone else who would be better in our current situation. Keane and Martin O'Neil don't do it for me... And Silva is unavailable. Oh and get Walsh out and someone decent in to scout for players. We need that left back, centre back and striker in January.
And then look at the club from top down of how the whole of this process was managed and make the necessary changes. If it takes Moshri taking total ownership and investing in quality back office management then so be it.
As a part of that they need to employ a director of comms and press office. We need to control the messages going out to the press and not leaving it to a conversation with Jim White on Talk Sport - the latter we have no control of what is said about us, take control!
First though let's keep our proud top flight status.
375 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:35:51
376 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:36:32
We haven't beaten our loveable neighbours in 7 years, nearly 20 years away from home in the league. We are United's feeder club and take their rejects off them.
We went 21 years without beaten then at home. We haven't beaten Arsenal at their new stadium yet. We haven't beaten Chelsea at home in over 20 years.
Barring ourselves everyone see us as a mid table team no bigger than Stoke or West Brom. Maybe Everton need Sam more than he needs us.
377 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:40:35
I try not to respond to the obvious dimfucks like you who say things like "I'd rather get relegated" because you obviously don't spend you money to watch Everton and you obviously don't travel to games home or away.
In your case I'll make an exception as against remaining silent because right now I'm pissed off with all those people taking this high minded view of an Allardyce appointment. It may not be perfect but right now if you go to games you'll know that this football club needs saving and needs to remain in the Premier League.
If you did spend your money and go to games you would wouldn't dream I'd saying so crass and you'd know we need a seismic change for this team to start performing.
Right now, I'd hold your peace.
378 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:42:49
So sad but so true!
I was dead against Big Sam but the reality is he will bring some of the qualities we so desperately need like organisation, clean sheets, team spirit etc
If he can establish that he probably then deserves a go at developing the team. He's probably not the dinosaur we all think he is!
Not my first choice but he will get my backing!
379 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:49:44
It is banal for people to come on an Everton fan forum and say they are now not Everton fans.
The end of your post reads like a rally call to 'do something better' like the wisened and enlightened Ken Buckley et al.
Most fans include Everton into a full life with others who may or may not share our passion.
What do you suggest in do something better? Have a another Garibaldi and cocoa?
380 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:51:24
The club is on its knees and now we must unite to save the season. It's a play in the making one day, this saga, but we need a manager tomorrow and a must win v West Ham.
381 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:53:14
I have supported Everton for 70 years, yes 70 having seen many ups & downs including relegation (it's not nice) and I have no intention of giving up now.
While I agree there are loads of questions about how the club has been run, I agree in all that time this is probably the worst team I have seen mainly for the total lack of effort.
But I just want us to survive this disaster of a season and I don't care who it takes to save us I say "Welcome and Good luck" whoever you may be, as they will need it and we should support that person not condemn them before they even have a chance. Whatever happens I will stay with my Everton.
382 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:53:52
383 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:57:38
I don't see Ken Buckley posting here any more mate that's patronising btw because he has already found something better to do. Whatever that is, I don't fucken know, but he's got better things to do than post here. As does Doddy. And Eugene much. And many many many other names we used to see on this site.
My point was that some people will never walk away, and that's their right. And others have a breaking point, and will walk, or already have. And that's their right.
I know some people will go watch Everton in League Two, and I am not one of them. Most of us aren't actually. I don't care if that makes me less of a fan Dave, I really don't. Football is supposed to be a pleasurable diversion. Watching EFC and posting replies to muppets like you does not give much pleasure.
I don't really know where the attack came from to be honest Dave. My post is closest to the most reasonable on the page. But whatever, Ill stop the respectful thing and urge you to do one.
384 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:58:08
I dont want allardyce anywhere near GP but I will support him as I have no choice, turning my back on the club I love is not an option
385 Posted 27/11/2017 at 21:59:06
The board wanted Silva, good choice but Watford won't let him go. Unsworth and the blue backroom staff have made the situation even worse with the shit players we have got. One team got beat 5-1 by Atalanta, and the rested players got beat 4-1 by Southampton.
It's not Kenwright and Moshiri's fault the players bought are rubbish. They backed the manager. We are that bad we need Big Sam to keep us in the Premier League as Unsworth is taking us down.
386 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:00:43
Mirallas and Williams will be going for a hat-trick by getting Allardyce the sack and therefor removing 3 managers from the club.
387 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:05:31
Do one? You have already indicated the that the criteria for you 'doing one' is quite low.
Chin up, Ash.
388 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:06:52
Ashley Williams was signed during Koeman's reign so had nothing at all to do with the removal of Martinez from Everton FC.
389 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:07:34
390 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:08:06
I can confirm I have committed to providing additional funds for transfers.
Reality: Sold best players to fund rebuild. Has not directly funded player purchases.
Retaining our key players to ensure that we have a strong core to build on for the future.
Reality: Sold off all our best players and bought Shite.
We will also be looking at the best options in relation to our stadium.
Reality: Fair play but how can we move and fund a new stadium whilst being relegated to championship? The Everton way is it will probably fall through.
Finally, and most importantly, Everton is about great football and winning matches.
Reality: Possibly the worst football I have seen Everton play in 39 years. We lack identity, passion, commitment, desire and we have the most unbalanced team known to football.
Baffoons are still in charge of club making us a complete fucking laughing stock in world football and to top it off we now have to resign ourselves for paying BIG SAM a shit load of money to help. SAVE US FROM RELEGATION.
Great strategy to get our club back where it belongs!
391 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:10:09
Final decision on the new Everton manager is expected tomorrow, Shakhtar Donetsk Manager Paolo Fonseca and Martin O'Neill are also in the running, Moshiri is leading the search and is expected to make final decision tomorrow, Allardyce is the favourite
392 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:10:46
Everton are my team and I would support them no matter what. Big Sam is a stepping stone to greater things under Moshiri.
393 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:11:10
But anyway, whatever Dave. Every support has its arseholes, perhaps we could both agree on that. (Although agree to disagree on whom those aresholes are.)
394 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:12:24
396 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:15:24
397 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:15:49
398 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:17:02
Football and big business are as corrupt as the hills are old, and if you think your dear old Everton is immune to that, well I think that's short sighted.
I couldn't give two shits who the manager is as long as we stay in the division.
A few weeks ago I was against Allardyce, but not due to his dodgy dealings more that I thought we could do better than him, but now? I think he's quite likely to be the best man for the job, given the sorry state we're in.
Our squad is full of lazy arsed no-hopers without a clue how to scrap a point out of a football match, and if there's one thing Sam Allardyce knows, it's how to scrap and scrape for points in the Premier League.
Like him or loathe him, we're up the creek without a paddle and Big Sam is standing on the banks with a life-raft and a set of oars.
399 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:20:21
400 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:21:07
I'd sooner see Everton relegated and then rebuilt and reborn from the bottom than employ this dreadful man to grind out results. If this happens Everton, as a name, means nothing anymore.
401 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:21:10
402 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:21:31
16 October 2017 • 10:17 AM
Shakhtar Donetsk manager Paulo Fonseca has revealed that he wants to work in the Premier League, which could prompt renewed interest from Everton.
According to sources in Portugal, Fonseca was among the candidates Everton considered to replace Roberto Martinez in 2016 before appointing Ronald Koeman.
403 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:21:58
Now is a time to stand together for the good of Everton, deserting the team is not an option in my opinion as it achieves absolutely nothing and can be extremely damaging. I can't believe anyone on here wants to see us go down so why talk about not going to the game? I respect people's principles but anyone withdrawing their support in this way is, I think, misguided.
Come on TWebbers, Everton needs you more than ever we can turn this around if we stick together. Let's start by scaring Wet Spam shitless on Wednesday.
404 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:25:14
What a fucking shambles,only one Gaffer can save us & improve us, but Moshiri knows best eh!
405 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:25:39
Managers, like players, come & go it's no great shakes. We're the ones who stay the course, not them.
406 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:27:58
Anyway sorry for all the bad manners/ exasperated fuck-off like suggestion and name calling.
Expanding your theme. Fans who are arseholes are still fans. Arseholes are just arseholes.
As I said chin up. Night.
407 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:29:45
I can just imagine the language that he would use in the first team talk
408 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:30:49
Since returning, all I hear from the Norwegians and those "who can't get a ticket" is how our relegation will happen.
I tell them their dads, maybe grandads weren't alive last time but...
All that matters now is those 28 points... Whoever can organise these tossers to get them, you're my man!
409 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:32:30
411 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:33:58
This is not a new low point we have been sliding to this point for some time, it's just coming to a head now.
Is Sam my ideal choice? No, but I want ambition and I think Everton are the best club in the world. Sadly the world of football do not and we have a board that has e shown ZERO ambition since the late eighties.
Sam would have been a better choice than Martinez, he's a better choice than Moyes or Unsworth. I would not have picked him over Koeman but look at how that turned out.
If Sam can get us out of trouble then he will do for me. The future though is down to the board and that's what really worries me.
412 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:34:50
They have shown their incompetence to everyone in world football by way of the debacle they caused by sacking Koeman without, it seems, any sort of pre-planned strategy for his successor. Until this misconduct is terminated we will never progress even if we survive this season.
Like him or not Moshiri is the owner and he owes it to himself to look after his investment. Far more importantly his investment is wholly dependent on the ongoing support of the supporters and fans, beguiled as we were by his various stupendous promises when he bought in.
Preliminary, repeat, preliminary plans to create a new stadium is the sum total of his achievements thus far on his sexy three-year "project", and we're now all but halfway through those three years.
I don't know whether he's auditioning for a part in the next Specsavers TV ad but boy does he need to wake up and realise and dispose of who is culpable, if not he himself, for all of his and our woes.
413 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:36:16
And as for Sean Dyche, why would he in his right mind switch teams at present when Burnley are riding so high in the league. One thing I think Big Sam will be good at is giving the shirkers at this club a good swift boot up the hole as we say in Belfast. There are so many bottlers and self servers in that squad to be rooted out. We need him to appoint a captain that actually balls out and shouts at the ones screwing up.
The impression you get is that no one is prepared to be a leader to goad, cajole, at times encourage, at other times criticise the under-performers. We need someone with a captain's armband who scares his team mates.
Keane in particular doesn't need love he deserves a kick up the posterior and be told to man-up. Williams just needs shipped out. We have to ensure we stay in top flight first. The manager that can combine free flowing football (which we all want) with solidity at the back can wait till next summer. It's Operation Rescue for now and Big Sam is arriving on Thunderbird 1.
414 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:37:41
Mid way through the 0-0 drab encounter, I screwed the box up threw it on the floor and never smoked habitually ever again, it was that bad, the smoking was a prop to tolerate truly shocking football.
That was being on the receiving end of Allardyce's brand of football with a similarly crap standard of misfits in his squad to what we have.
If he's brought in, I fear I'll be forced to smoke again.
415 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:37:49
Fair to say we are in a scrap but I still think someone like Fonseca will see us safe and then have far more upside beyond that.
416 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:38:42
417 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:41:44
418 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:46:25
Fonseca all day. Progressive, different, not part of the self serving twerps that swap clubs every two years when their methods become stale.
Allardyce, Pardew, Hughes, Hodgson, Redknapp, O'Neill, Pulis, Moyes.
New blood, new times & fresher outlook.
419 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:50:05
I have no idea who he is so it's probably true.
420 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:54:27
421 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:55:11
422 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:56:18
423 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:56:37
Wait for the press conference where we get Kipling quoted and Everton will be playing four-four-fuckin-two.
424 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:57:23
Yep, me neither.
425 Posted 27/11/2017 at 22:58:45
While on £3 million a year with England, he risked his career for £400k to represent some dodgy company he'd never heard of.
If he's offered money he'll take it. Unfortunately.
Jackie (#424) the reds I know have stopped laughing at us. We're too pathetic and shite even for them right now.
426 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:00:05
427 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:04:41
428 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:05:58
The guy gets results, saves teams, makes them better than when he started. You never know with better quality he might make a better team.
429 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:06:14
We won't get relegated with Allardyce because We still have some great players, and we also have a heavy wallet to get additions in January. Sunderland and Palace didn't but he still kept them up.
Allardyce won't take any shit from players not giving 100% and they will be gone if they don't. The difference in Allardyce getting 100% effort and Unsworth trying to do the same, is that Unsworth wants the job, so he isn't going to upset ant players as he needs them on his side.
Allardyce will also make us tough to beat and balanced. We need to start enjoying watching Everton play football once more.
Allardyce was probably my 12th choice when Koeman was sacked 5 weeks a go, but do you know what, he is absolutely the right choice at this precise time.
Let's get behind him and get Goodison rocking again.
430 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:07:22
431 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:08:22
432 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:10:18
Why Everton should do everything to get Silva:
433 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:10:47
The thing that got him sacked was the embarrassment caused to the FA from the things said at the interview, most importantly of all his assertion that it was possible to get around the third party ownership rules and that lots of agents were doing it - something that I believe to be true due to the football academies in Africa and South America.
As for his managing Everton FC, well much as I don't want it if it gets Everton out of the crap it is in then bring him on.
As for the lists of out of work managers most of them are there because they have been sacked (Bilic, Pulis, etc.) or about to be sacked (Vilas-Boas). As for Dyche, one look at the table tells you why he won't come.
The board has created this farce and they are the only ones with the power to fix it and yet despite all the moans about managers and the team I have yet to see or hear anyone calling for the departure of the billionaire that we all wanted to come in and bring their lovely money with them. So let's get real: Moshiri wants to own a Premier League side, he will appoint the manager who will be the best chance of keeping them their and he will expect the fans to back that manager. If we don't then you can start to wave goodbye to the new ground and the Premier League because as Villa and Birmingham and others are finding once you are out doesn't matter how long you were there, getting back without cash is a not an easy option.
435 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:14:08
No I have to change position!
436 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:14:46
437 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:14:57
If the team were at the top and doing amazingly, you can guarantee Elstone and Kenwright would be doing lots if interviews telling all how brilliantly hard the club works to make this happen. The flip side is that when things go guys up, the club goes into hiding and no column inches in 5 weeks. It's not acceptable.
438 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:17:00
439 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:17:37
440 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:19:30
441 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:22:31
442 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:26:55
If I was to smoke again it would be with Monica Lewinski enjoying my cigar, wonder what she looks like now. And did she ever get her dress back from the cleaners.
443 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:28:29
Obviously the Ukrainian league bears not the slightest resemblance to the Premier League, but good is good.
444 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:28:58
We are not "The People's Club". We are not members, we have no votes, we are the suckers sitting, waiting while these clowns show themselves to be amateurish.
Many things have been going wrong at Everton for quite some time.
Stones and Lukaku are gone and Barkley nearly went.
The squad has been neglected and recruitment lop-sided. The chickens are coming home to roost.
I'm sure much of the anguish on here is down to the frustration we all feel at being part of something without having a real say in anything.
445 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:34:13
My gripe about appointing Allardyce is that it makes us look like a small time club. I accept that needs must, but having him beyond the summer doesn't sit with me.
446 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:34:13
I personally would be happy to give Big Sam a go.
Get the players working and fighting and showing some teeth. He might even get us to show up at Anfield rather than our annual no show
My only concern is how he handles Rooney. Wayne has lost it. In the one England game Sam had, Rooney played everywhere except for his position. In the post match interview, Sam was asked whether he'd have a word with Rooney but he said that Rooney had more International experience so he would not
I hope he's grown a pair since then.
447 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:35:24
448 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:40:40
Looks like a straight choice now between Big Sam and The Fonz.
Either way, for the good of the club, we have to get behind the chosen one.
449 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:45:37
450 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:48:23
451 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:48:23
If Allardyce is appointed he will need a few weeks to sort out a system and identify those who can play in it. As ever he doesn't have a magic wand but once he has put a team together we can be assured we will not be the soft touch we have been over the past few months. Teams used to hate going to the Reebok. I look forward to Goodison becoming a similarly hostile place for visiting teams in 2018. Currently we are a laughing stock across the world of football. I want us to be hated. I also look forward to not hearing the words 'project' and 'philosophy' any time soon.
To those arguing for Dyche, yes he has been a great manager for Burnley, but why would they agree to let him leave them in late November? We cannot afford to waste any more time. Our plight is desperate.
452 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:53:05
It's beyond embarrassment it's come down to these 3. How anyone with half a brain could possible welcome O'Neill or a corrupt anti football manager like Allardyce is beyond me.
Think this tells us all we need to know about Moshiri.
453 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:58:37
454 Posted 27/11/2017 at 23:59:20
Why? Because the club thinks the same? If he saves us I absolutely think hes misguided enough to want more.
And if he takes us down, you expect him to leave or be sacked?
Those who think its okay I can handle him for 6months stomach more?
The contract will be for more than six months thats for sure, otherwise he wont come for just that, Everton are in no position to bargain.
455 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:03:53
456 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:04:38
Allardyce? Really? I mean, REALLY? Have our options honestly become so narrow? Have our ambitions seriously become so low? I don't know. Maybe they have. Maybe he's actually just what we deserve. Maybe we should just grit our teeth and let him or Pulis, or O'Neill get on with it and hopefully save us from ourselves. And no doubt be thankful to them if, by the end of the season, they've somehow managed to keep us up. But FFS, what a disastrous, embarrassing and humiliating shambles this has become.
Despite everything, I will never stop supporting this wonderful club the club I have followed man and boy. But right now, it feels like blind faith is the only thing I've got left to hang on to.
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum. Hopefully its still means as much to those who run the club as it does to me.
457 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:13:59
For all you people who appear to be taking to be taking this personally. This is professional football. We are in a perilous position and need to take whatever measures are required to get us out of the mess we are in.
If that means Big Sam then so be it. If he gets us moving in the right direction we'll all be much relieved and maybe we can still have a run at the FA Cup. Brighten up the 2nd half of the season.
458 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:21:01
459 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:28:37
Matches= 488, Won 165, Draw 131, Lost 192. 579 Goals for compared to 668 Goals against.
Compare that to the much maligned and hated Moyes:
Matches= 501, Won 196, Draw 136, Lost 169. 654 Goals for compared to 615 Goals against.
Sam's record at West Ham was poor, as was his time at Newcastle and Blackburn. His win percentage is poor. His only time of any sort of success was way back with Bolton and it was a completely different league back then. There is no guarantee with him.
460 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:31:47
I know we are in a bind and the team's form needs to change quickly but is he the guy to get Ross Barkley to recommit to Everton (could make a significant difference to how we play in the short-term), or to attract anything other than journeymen to the club in January? How long would he get before we try to restart the renaissance of the club?
Anyone who was actually around for Royle's so-called ‘Dog's of War' should remember that they had a bit more about them than just physically dominating the opposition. The likes of Limpar and Kanchelskis were world class match winners on their day.
The likes of Allardyce and O'Neill just seem like too many steps backwards for me.
461 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:36:40
To those suggesting that Allardyce is given the job longer term, just look at West Brom. Theyve been a yo-yo team for years and Pulis comes in and guarantees them Premier League football. Now thats not enough for the fans there and they got rid. Even ourselves with Moyes, 1-0 wins and perennial under achievement against the top teams, but we got respectable league finishes. It wasnt enough. In the end appointing Allardyce is a panic move and one which would inevitably turn sour with fans (even those thinking hes the great white hope) switching off and demanding change when survival is secure.
462 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:40:50
Does that mean these same people have given their full support to a club which has been run by one of the most corrupt and crooked pieces of filth this country has produced? I am not talking of the Curator of the Goodison Museum here. I am talking of sir Philip Green. He of the dodgy BVI loans. Them loans that have kept us in the Prem all these years. The curators good friend, and friend of Everton? yeah right.
Get real peeps. We are in the shit big time. Only Swansea can claim to be as bad as Everton at the minute. We need to stay in the Prem to even have a chance of making it with the big boys.We must do everything possible to stay in the loop until we get to the dock and hopefully kick on. It is big Sam for me with bells on right now, its logical. hes been there done it several times. No other candidate has. Get it done now. coyb.
463 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:41:23
ALL our wins have been lucky; Stoke, Bournemouth, Watford and also the draws against Brighton, Palace and Man City. The Europa League campaign has been a total embarrassment.
Foresca would be a huge gamble and O'Neill, well thanks but no thanks. Of those being mentioned that leaves Allardyce and, in our current freefall situation, he would bring some method and organisation to the side. Personally, I don't care how we play in the short term,we just need to start picking up some points. The alternative that's staring us in the face is relegation.
If it is Allardyce he needs at least an 18 month contract to sort our overpaid and under-performing players out. Anything less than 18 months and the freeloaders will just tread water until he's gone.
464 Posted 27/11/2017 at 00:49:12
465 Posted 28/11/2017 at 00:52:36
466 Posted 28/11/2017 at 01:14:32
The Monday night club on 5 live also were bewildered by it and all thought Dyche the perfect man to come in.
Obviously not in Moshiriland where O'Neill is a better bet! The mind boggles.
467 Posted 28/11/2017 at 01:31:40
Surely someone has had a look around the leagues and decided who they want? It can just be "let's see what the media throw up".
There just doesn't seem to be any plan. The only reason it could take this long is if we're trying to convince people who have no intention of moving or if we're just sitting around twiddling our thumbs.
468 Posted 28/11/2017 at 01:34:02
469 Posted 28/11/2017 at 02:09:36
And the prospect of relegation is uppermost in all our thoughts right now. Lose again on Wednesday night and we'll be in the bottom 3 at the start of December.
I also like the fact that Allardyce has always spoken in such admiring terms about our club and its history. I think he realises that, although we're in dire straits right now, our long-term ambitions go beyond merely finishing 17th.
He got Bolton into the top 6 and he got West Ham into the top 8. I hope he can one day be similarly successful with us.
470 Posted 28/11/2017 at 02:37:51
You think Allardyce will be a good appointment and hopefully one day we'll emulate success such as getting bolton 6th or west ham 8th with him in charge?
Are you kidding me? This is exactly what is wrong with our fans. Applauding such mediocrity and calling it success. Kenwright would be proud of you.
And as a side note, have you ever watched his teams play? Do you realise he has a shite record overall?
I'm sure you'll be front and center applauding when this arrogant, corrupt, anti football tosser signs his 2 and a half year contract tomorrow. Well I won't be. I'll be fucking livid.
471 Posted 28/11/2017 at 02:59:46
At this point we need a full time experienced manager Sam Allardyce would be my last choice but for gods sake I would welcome him because I have never seen any of his clogger teams play as badly as this present Everton team. They are a disgrace.
472 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:03:52
473 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:15:49
From a morale stand point, I am no expert in what Allardyce has actually been accused of, but can we as a club take a morale higher ground? We have a betting company emblazoned across our shirts, our highest paid player was recently caught drink driving and going off with a young lady, despite being married. We have Ferguson sitting on the bench, Jeffers managing the under 23s and Baxter playing for them. I don't need to explain my point with reference to those 3 chaps! There are morale questions hanging over the upper echelons of management too!
Also folks, no one has been appointed yet. Think of the number of names that have been bandied about over the last month. How many have come to fruition so far? The betting favourites have changed every couple of days, so much for those in the know having inside information.
474 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:20:20
475 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:23:41
476 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:30:40
Encumbered forever by desire and ambition
There's a hunger still unsatisfied
Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon
Though down this road we've been so many times
The grass was greener
The light was brighter
The taste was sweeter
The nights of wonder
With friends surrounded
The dawn mist glowing
The water flowing
The endless river
Forever and ever
Lets get behind him and turn him into an Evertonian.
Remember what you told me - it's a life sentence.
Up the Blues.
477 Posted 28/11/2017 at 03:48:16
We're at the point now that we were regarding a striker in the summer. Anyone is better than no-one. This time, actually do something!
478 Posted 28/11/2017 at 04:20:51
The positives for me is that he wont ake shit from the players or Kenwright and will at least reinstate some discipline to the worst defence in the Prem.
And BTW Walsh is the one pushing for big Sam and Shakespear so Walsh will not be going anywhere anytime soon if he is appointed.
479 Posted 28/11/2017 at 04:38:55
480 Posted 28/11/2017 at 05:40:40
I was thinking Andy Carroll.
481 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:14:49
482 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:33:25
I'm confident we will be mid-table by Saturday and we won't need fireman Sam to get us there.
483 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:35:29
I actually detest Allardyce as a human being, but hes twice the manager ONeill is. What a sorry affair this has turned out to be. How in gods name do you go from Diego Simeone to Martin ONeill? Moshiri may have shitloads of money but he knows absolutely cock-all about football.
We are a laughing stock on and off the pitch. I dont know how much more I can take!
484 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:40:56
485 Posted 28/11/2017 at 06:55:01
Because of Koeman, Kenwright and Walsh, we are truly in a perilous position made worse for a temporary manager we all love but has had no positive improvement since appointment. It appears that only the last row shocking performances have finally made the inept board decide immediate action is needed.
Forget style, forget pride, forget the top six..they are tomorrow's dreams now, stolen from us along with hope. In its place is stability, survival and strange unwanted bedfellows. The quality of manager a month ago was up there with the best, now, because of inaction, it's down there with the rest. The fans don't want Sam or Pulls or O'Neill or someone managing in the Ukraine from Happy Days, but because our wonderful management teams staggering errors and complacency, we have a squad with no formation, just players.some good, some dreadful.
It's like a recipe to bake a bun loaf, we are missing the main ingredients and expecting the result to be palatable instead we are choking on it.
From the club that brought you Kirkby, Kings Dock and Sir Philip Green, we can now add Sam Allardyce is it really a surprise?
486 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:05:32
Need George's cosmic grooves to get through this.
487 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:05:39
488 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:06:01
Regarding the managerial position, lets wait and see... Everton have used ‘smoke screens' in many of their past dealings. Allardyce and O'Neill may well be filed into that box, let's hope so.
489 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:07:53
We downed tools in the second half on Sunday, we are in terrible state on the field, we have a bloated squad full of moderate, sulky confidence shot players, a Chairman who is not up to the job and an owner with no knowledge of the game who things he is cleaver making public announcements via Jim White.
We need to avoid relegation at all costs and if it happens that Big Sam walks through the front door this week, embrace him as we need him a lot more than he needs us!
490 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:33:44
It was said entirely in jest. Hopefully this post is ok and doesnt come as attention seeking to you because your opinion really matters to me.
491 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:36:35
A potential manager who will now screw over the club as he holds all the cards because the club is desperate. This must be one of the very few worst operated clubs in all four divisions. I bet non league clubs are far more efficient.
492 Posted 28/11/2017 at 07:44:52
He's playing hard to get.
Thats typical of what this club has been reduced to.
493 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:08:38
494 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:17:37
It will be the Friar Tuck shop if he gets the job.
495 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:21:09
496 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:27:55
BIG SAM = NO
Some of the 80% may be feeling pressure but nothing has changed other than failing to pick up points.
Still time to run the rule and buy a few quality experienced players in January for now not for the future.
Like most rumours I put this in the smelly pile. If it happens I expect 80% to still demonstrate their I'll feelings to the leech and to the inept board.
The big headed fool should not be taki g us for a ride. No BIG pay day Sam or Palace. Don't fall for it.
I remember Bolton, Newcastle, West Ham and Palace all getting thrashed numerous times under his management.
History and facts haven't changed only the desperate minds of the delegates few. Not good enough end of.
I have not Googled this but I think Pulis has a better more consistent record whilst stabilising clubs. Sam doesn't give a poo about what happens next to clubs.
Do I want Pulis no, but a given a choice of the two every time. Plus he has no ties or contracts to pay off.
I'm still rooting for Mancini = NSNO
And those who think I'm talking from the rear, money talks.
497 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:33:42
Darren, #482. You wanted Koeman gone virtually from Day 1 and yet you're now describing replacing the manager now as a panic measure on the basis that we might be mid table by the weekend. I sincerely hope you're right but how long do you wait before taking action? Besides, with 18 points by the weekend, I would still be fearful. I don't attach any blame to Unsworth by the way but it isn't working for him is it?
Whoever takes over, it's going to take a big window to stabilise the ship.
498 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:38:13
499 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:53:16
500 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:53:31
His mantra has and always will be (read his book) rely on experience, that's why he bought 4 or 5, 30-year-olds in the above Bolton team instead of giving youth a chance. I can't see us ever seeing Dowell, Lookman, Davies, Kenny, Baningime, Calvert-Lewin as regulars in the team .
501 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:54:52
502 Posted 28/11/2017 at 08:59:51
503 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:02:56
Whilst decrying Allardyce, there are others who think managers are queuing up to take up the reins on a complete basket case of a football club. They're not.
So, if Allardyce is appointed do what I'll do suck it up and wait for better times. Because it could be a lot worse than a year or two of Allardyce and staying a Premier League side.
504 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:03:27
505 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:06:47
506 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:07:21
I'm pleased Koeman has gone his summertime legacy is the biggest root cause of our problems. The only mooted plausible replacement that felt a good bet to me was AVB.
507 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:11:54
Apparently, there are no alternatives.
Under the laws of the land, a failure to appoint Allardyce, holder of said licensed monopoly, will guarantee relegation from the Premier League.
508 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:15:35
509 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:17:30
510 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:30:25
BIG Sam publicly stated he no longer wants it.. move on.
I'm happy with that and will not give up hope until it's all finalised. We all know that journalists get pay to write, what they write doesn't appear to have any bearing on their pay.
Slight change of topic but similar press release from our naive board. Wasn't Gana Gueye following Lukaku in being 99% certain to sign a new contract?
I've heard no confirmation of this and worry about how many other contracts are running out this summer?
I'll keep on typing it until he arrives, get Mancini in.
511 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:43:00
512 Posted 28/11/2017 at 09:57:02
There's a difference between sensible urgency to solve a problem, and a knee-jerk panic reaction to that problem. The Allardyce option belongs firmly in the latter category.
513 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:03:06
I've always agreed with the majority of your posts. Sorry, this is one where I don't share your optimism that we will be mid-table by Saturday The realist in me sees us taking one point from the 2 games.
Why? We leak goals so easily There's no doubt we 'll concede 4 or 5 in both games, we are so easy to get at.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong here, I really do, but I can see a 3-1 defeat to West Ham and a 2-2 draw against Huddersfield... Regardless of whether it's Unsworth, Allardyce or A N Other in charge. This 'll go on for a bit yet...
514 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:23:04
I think knee-jerk is calling him terrible or calling him great. He is as close to what we need of all the names mentioned I have seen.
515 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:39:52
Does that mean anything anymore? Have we given up on reaching for the stars and glory? My Latin's not up to much but should we end up with 'Sam' the motto must surely be amended to something like 'Omni Satis': anything goes!
516 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:41:30
The Dogs of War not only stayed up, they went on to lift our last trophy.
OMG... I'm drifting towards Allardyce.
517 Posted 28/11/2017 at 10:49:30
The pathetic site of Jagielka once again laughing and joking with Fraser Forster in the tunnel before kick-off was nauseating and provided insight into the lack of leadership and complete disregard of the players to the current perilous position the Club finds itself in. Give the captaincy to Rooney and the Vice Captain should be Coleman.
518 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:05:15
519 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:20:59
520 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:31:50
Unfortunately, if this is the only option that will keep Everton in the Premier league, then the club might have to 'bite the bullet'!
I'm not comfortable with it, because of his past misdemeanours, but there is always the option to sack him after he has kept us in the league, pay him his millions compo, and from his appointment look at other manager options for the future.
Moshri, will take the hit in his pocket and claw it back another way!
521 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:38:45
522 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:48:19
As Christine Forster says, in one of the above posts, we really haven't got the ingredients to make a decent team, I hope whoever comes in is a very good chef and can make a good meal out of anything.
523 Posted 28/11/2017 at 11:54:49
Also in your position I would not be drawn to watching anyone else because I would refuse to believe the managers and boards of other teams have a golden glow around their arses.
524 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:08:35
But I must admit I am worried about Allardyce's commitment to cup competitions (he'd play the ladies in the FA Cup 3rd round) and whether the young lads would get a look in, especially Looklad.
Yeah, Everton afe driving me crackers too. Five hundred comments in 24 hours! This must be a ToffeeWeb record.
525 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:23:30
A decent midfield could be cobbled together if all players were fit however it's bereft of depth in quality.
I won't both typing about the strikers.
There's far too much emphasis on experience based on an aging squad and reliance on youth to paper over the cracks.
Any manager who comes in will need to be a great motivator and strong to be able to sort the wheat from the chaff. Who's having the difficult discussion about (not) playing Rooney?
526 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:29:03
The team does need people who'll take the bull by the horns but they have to be players who are going to be playing.
527 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:30:38
528 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:31:22
That's before you even take any of his dodgy dealings into account...
529 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:32:40
As far as BF Sam is concerned; the house is on fire and one way to put it out is to knock the place down. But then you've still got to rebuild afterwards and I don't think Fireman Sam sticks around for that part any more, does he?
So, it's a big NO from me. There are other firemen around.
530 Posted 28/11/2017 at 12:38:25
So who are any of you to say that we should commit to spending that on the club if they appoint a manager who goes against everything this club stands for.
And as for the Philip Green argument, if he tried to buy the club we would protest that. He never had an official position. So that argument is not really valid, but for what it's worth, I don't shop at any of his stores, so the same principle applies.
531 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:10:13
Realistically, what can anyone do with this current team before January? I can think of four that you might say you could fit into a half decent team (Pickford, Keane, Gueye, Sigi). The rest will have to come from players who you'll accept as giving their all (maybe Beni, Davies, Niasse) and then a host of players you ideally wouldn't want anywhere near a shirt.
So what does any manager do? The answer is whatever they can for a month while they're lining up signings for the first week in January. We'll still have some chaff in the 11 but bringing in defensive and attacking bodies are the big decisions to be made... that's what will make the difference.
If that's the job description, would you pick Allardyce? To go and spend millions?
I've got standards, but I'll get over them for us to stay in the league. Whatever it takes is the order of the day. I'm just not convinced we gain anything from Allardyce. You can't make this defence solid. They're old and shit.
532 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:22:02
I wonder if these whingers are the same out of touch people who talk about Brexit... ie, middle class people. I remember when Everton were for the working classes... now it's polluted by an over-representation of middle class whingers.
533 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:25:29
In January we can just sign some top strikers and defenders and ease ourselves out of trouble. Oh yes, and what we've been hearing for weeks now, we are only 2 wins from mid-table. Unbelievable!
We have wasted 5 weeks, actually longer as Koeman should have gone long before he did. Now we have a load of supporters saying IF we employ Allardyce they will never go again! You just couldn't make this up.
Well lads I'll let you know how many empty seats there are tomorrow night. Reading some of the threads, it look like there'll be me and about a dozen more at the game.
534 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:44:12
Whoever it is can we please wait until after the Apollon Limassol game as that will be when Unsworth will have taken charge of 10 games which is when Paddy Power pay out and I've got £800 riding on it.
Being as terrible as we are, losing the £ and getting Allardyce will be the worst Christmas ever.
535 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:54:30
This was Klopp (sorry) speaking about fans...
"They make all the difference and that's how it is. Football only works in my understanding if we all work together and that means involving the crowd, 100%. We do it only when people are interested and when they leave it feels strange, you feel it. We perform better when the atmosphere is there."
So to all you conscientious objectors who will take an 'Allardyce sabbatical' bear it in mind. We might not want him but the team needs all the help they can get, so I will be behind them, for better or worse, whoever we get in.
536 Posted 28/11/2017 at 13:57:44
I mentioned the 80/20 split of the previous poll to a red mate of mine. He said he could imagine 80% of Liverpool supporters would vote the other way, they'd love Allardyce to manage Everton. I said I could imagine ALL Liverpool supporters would love it.
537 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:07:01
Why, well because Everton do not have a team currently they have individuals who can't defend, who can't score (Niasse would not have been in Everton otherwise, in snobbery reality). Based on previous performances with no suitable person in the right position (mentally able to run Everton to win games to stay in the Premier League) to captain the proverbial ship, we are up shit creek without a paddle.
Everton are not just going to change overnight. Apparently we need to get 28 points. If we can't win against the least teams at home or away, how do we score sufficiently enough to stay in the Premier League?
538 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:07:06
539 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:12:03
By the way good football has been the exception to the rule in the last 30 odd years, so let's not kid ourselves that we are the bloody school of science anymore. If the new guy gets us winning – I'll be happy.
540 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:13:03
I see even the Echo are running a piece on how Walsh has surrounded himself with yes men, to cement his position. How ironic that the man who should have gone with Koeman is in such a position of strength. By all accounts he is the one who suggested Allardyce and Shakespeare should take over, protecting his position still further.
I wonder if he would be prepared to give an interview to give us an insight into how we let Lukaku, Valencia, and Kone go and not replace them. Also, they knew Barkley wouldn't sign another contract and was looking to move on so another striker from last season they couldn't use.
541 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:38:30
542 Posted 28/11/2017 at 14:51:08
Some are attempting to dress it up as making a moral or ethical stand due to Sam's 'alleged' corruption. I have to apply the adjective alleged because he certainly has not been charged or convicted on such in a court of law, let alone by the FA, the governing body of football in England.
If they wish to make such a moral and ethical stand against an unconvicted man, it is not unreasonable to question why they have not done so earlier in Everton's history against those who have been woven into the fabric of the club.
Sir John Moores, well known in our parish, was actually prosecuted in the early days of his Littlewood football pool betting business. The link between gambling and its negative social impact on (often) low income families is long established and continues to this day.
Similarly, we have had and continue to have countless sponsorship deals with breweries and betting firms when alcohol consumption and gambling clearly has negative impact on many individuals, homes and families.
Were the 'abstainers' to Sam vocal or active in their condemnation of Sir John who turned us into the 'Everton Millionaires'?
In more recent years, we have learnt the odious Philip Green, he of the collapsed BHS business and siphoning off the pension funds of thousands of people, was indeed a shadow director helping to prop up Bill Kenwright all these years.
Isn't THAT more worthy of taking a moral and ethical stand regarding your support of Everton FB, rather than the (possible) appointment of an innocent man?
And what of the current incumbent and de facto owner of the club, Moshiri, and his association with Usmanov. Are you dissenters not just a teeny weeny bit queasy or inquisitive as to how Usmanov (and Moshiri) built their fortunes on the back of the collapse of the Soviet Union?
All the above examples, it can be reasonably argued, impacted far more negatively on many more real world lives than any offence Sam Allardyce's 'alleged' crimes could ever do.
This post is not about the various merits or demerits of Sam Allardyce.
It is exclusively about what I view as so much posturing and grandstanding by some over his possible, speculative, far from confirmed appointment.
Personally, I simply cannot envisage a day when I even contemplate, let alone declare on a public forum, that I 'quit' Everton.
For better, for worse; for richer, for poorer; in sickness and in health; I am condemned to love and to cherish Everton (and to be HUGELY exasperated by them more times than is healthy for me), till death do us part.
543 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:00:40
To the middle-class moaners who are saying they won't go the game – shame on you! How dare you make it all about you. This is Everton; it's not about you. Isn't that right, John Wilson?
Putting irony to one side, and diving into the deep-end of sincerity for a second... No-one is bigger than the club, except Sam Allardyce. He does not give one solitary fuck about Everton, I can guarantee you that.
Grim times. Fuck me.
544 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:01:05
"Sure, the fans may contribute to our wages, but come on there's a hierarchy where they're underlings and we are at the top.
"Tell fans, 'be transparent'.... but why do I need to do that when we have finest of educations and could avoid answering your questions (without so much as building up a sweat)."
No, the fans will learn what's going on at EFC through the usual channels, Chinese whispers, speculation, hearsay, until we need to tell them.
Look, I am above you, and you're below me (see the Two Ronnies 'class' sketch), now continue to purchase your season tickets because it's the only way you lot can function, ie, you need football for your survival; is why you attend games without question.
Our staff kick a ball of air around for around 90 minutes, we make them millionaires in so doing with sponsorship and the commercial interests in the Premier League.
Oh, sorry you were asking about an interview why Lukaku, Valencia et al left the club without replacements. I can tell you, my designer wife enjoys my new Aston Martin. Allardyce has one too. Now please fuck off and remember your place in society. It reminds me, I have to check on my shares. Yours, EFC
546 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:07:05
547 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:13:13
I think he needs that. I think we all fucking need that, obviously.
548 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:13:43
549 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:16:39
Let's wake up from this predictably foreseeable nightmare (relatively speaking), and accept the sobering reality that Everton are going down as it were unless there were to be some proportionate intervention.
Some middle-class people are like the proverbial lobster, who slowly boil to the extent that they are oblivious to glaringly obvious (relatively speaking), ie, they're dead in the water (quite literally).
550 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:26:48
I'm definitely not middle-class and don't want Sam Allardyce on a long-term contract, which is what it would be now.
551 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:33:27
I was speaking about the middle class who can afford to buy season tickets and are in a position to choose not to attend. Broadly speaking I also refer to middle class as society who are out of touch with lower class society's needs. I was referring to these (middle class) as the whingers incidentally.
Everton can sack Allardyce right now, I am thinking of Everton staying in the Premier league; I think this is what is at stake now. It's like damage control, which would be to bring in a relegation specialist. If we stay up, we can worry about a 'luxury' manager then.
552 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:43:44
Could you provide your definition of middle class as I'm not sure whether I might be a peasant or a member of the proletariat or perhaps I may scrape in to the ranks of the petite bourgeoisie but whichever strata of society I may belong to it has absolutely no bearing on my views about Sam Allardyce becoming the manager of Everton FC.
553 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:50:11
My parents were both factory workers and I was a schoolteacher. Not sure what class that makes me.
Those saying Sam would make them stop going to the game, Koeman's brand of football meant I've gone far less often than I used to. You pay your money (or decide not to) and make your choice.
554 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:55:29
555 Posted 28/11/2017 at 15:56:48
Should I play safe with Fat Sam? Or take a bit of a risk for better odds??
Just for fun of course, because when the fun stops I stop going to the games.
557 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:07:14
peasants in one area, proles another, lower middle class, middle middle class etc etc.
Wherever the peasants are sitting can I join them please (when I get to attend)
If you have a season ticket and IF you choose not to attend, that does not make you middle class. Just means you are exercising your rights.
I do have aspirations of joining Lawrence in the petite bourgeoisie, can you help?
558 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:14:19
I'll stop when I see a lack of effort, lack of desire, lack of bottle, backing out of 50/50 balls, and a general couldn't really give a fuck attitude, on the pitch.
559 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:20:55
Whoever gets the gig, we have to support him and the team, because ALL that matters now is a string of wins, and that the losses, when they come, are not embarrassingly bad. COYB.
560 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:23:13
For a club like Everton to stall and hesitate over appointing a new manager baffles me, Crystal Palace appointed Roy Hodgson within 24 hours of sacking De Boer. Even West Ham did not hesitate to bring in Moyes straight away, yet we sit here well over 5 weeks after sacking Koeman with no indication on how long we need to wait for a new man at the helm.
This should not have been allowed and shows a complete lack of organisation and leadership from those above. I want to see an Everton side fight and frustrate the opposition in every game we play, we may be dull and boring at times but if that means our premier league status is confirmed come May then I don't really care.
561 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:29:42
We can only hope .
562 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:39:55
If you give up on the club then really are you any better than our current crop of players? People seem quite happy to let Bill Kenwright walk all over Everton Football Club.
564 Posted 28/11/2017 at 16:52:42
Pretty much. Ironically, the very characteristics we now need at the helm.
Another TW poll: Is your hatred of Sam greater than your love of Everton?
565 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:16:30
Sure the Blues are in a bad position and deservedly so after the awful performances but it's not even December yet and with other players getting ready to return we don't want a knee-jerk reaction in the managerial department.
Writing potential new managers off before they have had a chance to do something with this bunch is wrong.
Allardyce, whilst not everyone's cup of tea, for one reason or another is available and has a decent history.
I hasten to add that he is English and a Northerner which may not amount to much for some but he will be able to communicate with most of the squad quickly and better than someone from Europe who doesn't speak English very well.
There are exceptions of course but Everton need someone who can get on top of the situation quickly.
The alternatives are there if you prefer Pulis, O'Neill, Bilic or Fonseca maybe.
Apparently first time around Everton only offered Allardyce a short term contract till end of the season but I guess he felt it wouldn't be worth his effort if Everton were to have someone else in mind for next season.
Either way we are all in agreement that the situation is dire and needs a remedy before things get much worse.
566 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:39:34
I imagine calculating betting odds is somewhat difficult as no one at the top appears to have the slightest idea who to appoint.
567 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:43:30
568 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:52:44
569 Posted 28/11/2017 at 17:59:33
570 Posted 28/11/2017 at 18:01:59
571 Posted 28/11/2017 at 18:12:28
572 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:23:04
Just watching Sky Sports News; that Kirsty has got a pair on show tonight...
573 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:32:08
574 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:34:46
575 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:37:28
576 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:38:41
577 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:39:39
This time next year, I guarantee those 48% on the poll who think it's a good idea will be horrified at what they sanctioned. To get rid of him will probably cost £20 mil.
I do not want this man anywhere near Everton.
578 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:44:50
Also, will folk please stop saying Fat Sam (It's not Viz from 25 years ago). If he is Fat Sam, what on earth is David Unsworth??? Unsworth must be 20+ stone.
579 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:52:53
Allardyce will ruin everything I love about this club. How can we call ourselves 'The People's Club' when we appoint a guy who had to resign as England manager because he is corrupt. Absolutely ridiculous.
580 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:53:27
Farage and Allardyce? What a combo. One's already done his best to ensure our country is finished, the other will do the same for our club. The future's bright. The future's any colour we bloody well like except blue.
581 Posted 28/11/2017 at 19:56:41
582 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:03:02
You also say "Moyes had much to work with by the time he took over Sunderland", but Sam joined Sunderland in October 2015 when they were 2nd from bottom. He's not my fist choice but we won't get Silva, in Everton's dire situation with a defence like a Colander, we can't be fussy or snoby, Sam is the correct appointment.
583 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:10:14
Incredibly, there are those on here who tell us we're not in the shit.
Edit: sorry, getting carried away, Palace will still be below us. We'll be second bottom. That's okay then.
584 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:15:25
585 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:15:31
586 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:17:35
We will soon be playing in the Championship with that miserable mug in charge. Throw in all those millionaire tosspots masquerading as football players?
No, I will now start supporting Colwyn Bay, which will guarantee less disappointment.
587 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:29:55
588 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:30:25
I think we have truly become a laughing stock. However, no coach/director/player could ever stop me following the boys and if big Sam turns up tomorrow night I will be hoping he does the right thing and gets us back to a semblance of a team.
I have a feeling it will be ugly, frustrating but who knows? He may well drag us out of this mire. The board though will forever have my mistrust. Their dithering has been disgraceful, their alleged pursuit of Silva, while understandable, has smeared our reputation as a club.
589 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:32:39
If you have seen us play this season we have been absolutely shocking and have flattered to deceive against Watford and Crystal Palace when we have allegedly improved absolute nonsense. We need to steady the ship and get some points on the board asap or do we wait until it is 20 games left or 10 games left?
We need organisation and for someone to sort out the Billy Big Blx that masquerade as our players these days. Allardyce at least has some track record in this department. I am not exactly a happy bunny but in reality we have been rubbish for some time, not won at the Sky six since Adam was a lad and for Christ sake we all await the cricket score again at Mordor. Oh and by the way Silva's Watford are getting their pants pulled down by Utd as I type - 3-0.
I plan to be at GP again tomorrow and for the rest of the season and if we beat West Ham and/or Huddersfield, even if Allardyce is in the dugout, I shall be hoarse shouting for the Blues come Monday. None of us were consulted on Martinez or Koeman and look how well that has worked out.
590 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:40:30
I just can't stand the thought of him at Everton.
591 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:43:32
Watford are getting tonked, by the way.
592 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:44:25
However while not overjoyed by his appointment there is nothing I can do about it and am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt , give him and the team my full support and see how it goes.
Mixed feelings regarding Unsie's situation now. Would like him to go back to U23s and continue developing our young players but could understand if he wanted to try his luck managing a team lower down the league to further develop his management skills.
593 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:48:45
594 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:50:17
A 63-year-old with dinosaur tactics, been out if the game for 18 months, a patchy record at best, his only claim to fame is he has never been relegated and to top it off he is a corrupt fucker as well.
I know whether to laugh or cry.
595 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:52:13
596 Posted 28/11/2017 at 20:58:32
597 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:04:28
598 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:04:39
No one will be able to stop supporting Everton. Its impossible.
But the club needs a manager we can unite behind and thats not sam. First sign of trouble and the boos will roar. First crisis and fans will bay for his blood.
Hes going to be on a hiding to nothing. Which is why hell sort our terms to ensure he walks away with more than konman or Martinez did.
599 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:12:57
We have become inconsequential. How much of a laughing stock are we going to be in the Championship and we shouldn't be fooled into thinking that will be a straightforward bounce-back up.
We will become as relevant as Tranmere to our neighbours who have already long since stopped thinking of EFC as rivals. I don't know about our football becoming agricultural but it certainly has been closely linked to that particular industry this season (and wasn't exactly sparkling at the end of the last).
If Allardyce can keep us in the Premier League, preferably do so before the final 10 games, then that is fine by me. I haven't given up on one day celebrating our winning something with my (21 year old) son but it isn't going to be this year and waiting on the next big thing managerially to respond to us fluttering our eyelashes (or more probably showing our drawers) is clearly pointless.
600 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:14:45
601 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:16:04
Not but seriously, he's a terrible manager. Just remember his past record.
Update: Newcastle just scored!
602 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:18:50
I don't like him any more than the rest of you, but seriously, who else is going to sort us out?
603 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:29:19
Dogs of war 2 anyone...?
Only problem being none of our current players have got the balls for it.
I hope they change my opinion starting tomorrow.
604 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:29:20
It's only November. It's not April or March. We're not even in the drop zone. We've been in worse scrapes and survived. I remember them well. Pain never to be forgotten until Farrelly banged in that screamer. Tears at 2-0 to Wimbledon until Stuart popped up to make it 3-2. Everton 3 Wimbledon 2 Now they were truly shite teams.
We need fixing. But Sam's not the only Doctor in town. You don't go to a back street surgeon if your wife needs her tits done. Let's get a quality manager in and pay what it takes.
Sod what all of Allardyce's mates in the media are saying. Allardyce is not good enough for us. It's only November, we're not in the relegation zone, we're only 4 points off 9th, and we have money to spend in January and that will fix us more than Big Sam and his dodgy signings.
605 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:37:11
But, if it has to be done, can we agree a pact that calling him "Big Sam" on here is striclty forbidden?
606 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:39:03
If he comes, he will do well to keep our motley crew up, especially as he is apparently arriving with Leicester City cast-offs in his back room staff. And we all know how Mr Walsh worked out, don't we?
All my thanks go to Farhad and Bill for the ongoing fiasco that is Everton.
Another fine Moshiri they have got us into! Apologies to Laurel and Hardy for that one.
607 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:39:45
We're the ugliest girl at the disco, and nobody wants to take us home.
608 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:41:48
609 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:42:17
610 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:47:25
611 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:52:15
612 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:54:49
And who do we all trust to spend this money. Unsworth? I'm not so sure now about his judgement. Walsh? No thank you. Kenwright? As many on here contribute Rooney's return down to him No thanks.
I'd trust Big Sam to quickly realise that we need defenders FFS my dog realises that And I'd trust Big Sam to also realise our striker problem. Benteke anyone?
Everything with this Everton team is not just about throwing money at it come January. It's about trying to mould some sort of a team. May as well give Allardyce as go. FFS could he be much worse than the last two. Remind me how great the football has been.
613 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:55:06
Bookies don't know a fucking thing.
614 Posted 28/11/2017 at 21:57:53
615 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:03:17
Total lottery and waste of money.
616 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:09:00
617 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:48:13
Everton has been averaging 58 points per season, and an average position of 8th, for well over a decade. Thus, we are not elite, but we're not Sunderland or Crystal Palace either. We're at a higher level than clubs like that, and at a higher level than the likes of Allardyce has experienced.
We are generally mid to high table, with occasional brush (like at the moment) near the bottom. But we're supposed to be aiming higher. So we need a manager who can both get us away from the bottom part of the table, and help us on the way to achieving more than we have. And that manager is not Allardyce.
The real reason why folks who criticise Allardyce's financial dealings don't want him is very simple. That he's not good enough for Everton.
618 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:51:03
619 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:51:18
With Sammy Lee as part of the coaching staff!!!
Lead balloons/Goodison etc
620 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:53:44
£6m a season - to be finalised tomorrow when he's back from Dubai. First game vs Huddersfield.
621 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:54:48
622 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:57:54
We'll still have the same players though, which is my main concern.
Sammy Lee is clearly going to be a tough one for blues to swallow - and I've never heard of the other lot, so I can't honestly comment.
623 Posted 28/11/2017 at 22:58:53
624 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:02:36
I suspect Bill Kenwright will be absolutely destroyed losing people he's known for years and probably regrets relinquishing control
625 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:04:47
So it will be Allardyce and we just have to live with it for a while and pray for some sort of miracle over the next few weeks until the transfer window when just perhaps one or two ''quality'' players can be brought in.
It would be nice to see Unsy get a victory in his last game if only for his honesty about the whole mess.
The Hammers are no great shakes either so we may get lucky
626 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:05:02
627 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:06:30
One of my mates is a season ticket holder at West Ham and he said that they played some great stuff under Big Sam after he got them promoted on a shoestring budget.
If he can eventually get us into the top 6 of the Premier League like he did with Bolton then I will be made up. If he just does the minimum and keeps us up then I'll still be happy. At the moment we're on our way down.
628 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:08:36
Can we be happy with those we have?
Actually I have no qualms about Sammy Lee as Everton have done well out of ex-RS personnel moving to Goodison in the past.
629 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:13:33
But Im an optimist , and being an Evertonian youve got to be.
Im hoping he can do something for us , create a proper team and take us forward.
I think its up to him to prove he deserves the job after this season.
Whether he likes it or not , this season will be an audition.
If he Improves and stabilises us he deserves some respect.
630 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:16:54
631 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:28:19
Whatever happens at the end of the season, I can only see this as a new low for the club and it will take years to recover from this point.
632 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:44:58
Definitely looks like its Big Sam taking charge at least for a while. Personally I don't mind and Id prefer him to some of the other names that have been chucked around. He knows the league and I cant see him taking any shit from lazy players...i think hes the man to put the rocket or a foot up the many arses that we obviously need. By all accounts he should steady the ship and get us organised and difficult to break down and that is our priority to build on..if you think for one second that isn't im sorry you're deluded or living in cloud cuckoo land!
Forgot 'history', 'ambition' or all this 'we are Everton, we should be aiming for...' theoretical bull... The reality is we are very much flirting with relegation on current performances, to the point shes probably fairly moist. I honestly don't care who the next gaffer is..beit Big Sam, Kim Jung Un or even Stevie fecking G...as long as he, she or it is capable of whipping these overpaid, spoilt, lazy shits into shape, playing with a bit (naw fuckit..a feckload) of grit and pride, builds something stable to properly build on and saves our PL status then that is perfect to me on all counts!! Feck my pride as a fan, the success of Everton comes first!
Sorry for the rant but just my opinion, take it, leave it, kick it in the chops
633 Posted 28/11/2017 at 23:51:22
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