McCarthy and Bolasie play in U23s draw

Friday 15 December 2017  84 Comments  [Jump to last]
James McCarthy and Yannick Bolasie both managed 45 minutes for the Under-23s this evening as they drew 0-0 with Dynamo Zagreb in Southport.

The pair took their respective next steps in their recovery from injury in the Blues' last match of the Premier League International Cup.

First-team boss Sam Allardyce had suggested in his press conference earlier today that the club's medical staff would assess Bolasie's fitness and condition after tonight's run-out to see if he could be included in the squad to face Swansea City on Monday.

Everton U23s: Hilton, Jones, Feeney, Gibson, Garbutt; McCarthy (46' Foulds), Charsley, Adeniran, Henen (52' Mathis), Hornby, Bolasie (46' Evans).
Subs not Used: Renshaw, Lavery, Broadhead, Bowler.


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Tony Everan
1 Posted 15/12/2017 at 21:14:16
Bolasie needs more minutes before first team action surely. Great that he is getting closer.
Dave Abrahams
2 Posted 15/12/2017 at 21:25:52
It would be great to see the two of them, McCarthy and Bolasie, back in the first team on a regular basis in the near future, for me a fit James McCarthy would be a big plus for Allardyce and Everton.
Gordon White
4 Posted 15/12/2017 at 21:32:57
Good news. Can't wait for Coleman to come back too.
John Keating
5 Posted 15/12/2017 at 21:33:55
Fully agree that it will be great to have them both back in the squad. McCarthy to complement Gana if or when we need 2 defensive midfielders and Bolasie for his pace, power and directness.

I just hope Allardyce doesn't play them too early. A few U23 games might be more beneficial to them and the team.

Darren Hind
6 Posted 15/12/2017 at 21:34:23
It's been a long road back for Bolasie. a little more patience, just to make sure won't do him any harm.

I fear for Macca though; he's been plagued with injuries for so long, I sometimes forget he is another option. He desperately needs an injury-free period to get his game back.

As Dave says, it would be great for them personally and us as a club to see them back firing on all cylinders.

Lev Vellene
7 Posted 15/12/2017 at 22:20:21
I'm happy for Bolasie, yet I must admit I gave up on McCarthy several years ago!

He seems to be so ignited by National games, that he could care less about being fit for his actual employer...

As he's an almost constantly injured player on our books, I hope we can sell him to anyone in January! I'd have loved to keep his skills when he was working as intended, though!

Matthew Williams
8 Posted 15/12/2017 at 23:25:52
I've never rated McCarthy, £13 million wasted... He's always injured too, but seems to turn out for his country with no problems !? ...sell!

Our club comes first & foremost!

John Fieldstead
9 Posted 15/12/2017 at 23:30:39
There is no rush. Jonjoe Kenny having a good run at right back. Midfield is ticking over and Bolasie is a luxury we can use once we are playing to our strengths (whatever that will be under Sam Allardyce remains to be seen). They will be like 3 new signings. Hopefully add Ross to that on an 18-month contract and everyone is happy!
Christy Ring
10 Posted 15/12/2017 at 23:56:43
Lev @7 – total insult to Macca. I'm delighted to see both players back tonight – a huge plus to the first team.
John Davies
11 Posted 16/12/2017 at 00:53:40
Great to see players coming back to fitness and strengthening the squad. Here's hoping for a fully recovered Seamus too in due course.

As an aside, I have just been watching Sandro Ramirez - Malaga goals, skills and assists on YouTube. Where on earth has that lad gone? What have we done to him?

Lev Vellene
12 Posted 16/12/2017 at 00:58:57
Christy (#10),

Yes, I know you can view it like that. But I'm actually happy to see him back! But for how long?

Too often he's seemingly/reportedly been the one that volunteered for national duty, well before he should have been ready! Or if he was, he got injured by pure bad luck! Again!

I'd love our old McCarthy back, but I have given up on him being free of injury for more than maybe 25% of the games each season...

Gary Russell
13 Posted 16/12/2017 at 01:58:01
My initial reaction was similar to Lev's. Treat him the same as the way-too-late selling of Mr Gibson. Look at Macca's playing stats. He missed few games for Wigan in his 4 seasons there. We bought him in the 2013 and since then he started 31, 27, 29 times in the following 3 Premier League seasons with only 7 starts last season.

The numbers surprised me as it feels like he has been much scarcer. He is yet to appear this season. I still think get rid. We need to be more ruthless as a club. Whether we like it or not, it's business.

Laurie Hartley
14 Posted 16/12/2017 at 02:37:35
John (#11) – Sandro looked a top player in a good league. I am still holding out hope that we might see him partner Calvert-Lewin – I think they would compliment each other. We will see.

I also hope that Bolasie and McCarthy aren't rushed back – it would be terrible if they had a recurrence.

I think McCarthy may benefit from Sam Allardyce's training methods.

Alan J Thompson
15 Posted 16/12/2017 at 02:51:39
Laurie (#14); I thought that Sandro looked a very good player but bought into Koeman's "run around like a mad man" when we didn't have the ball. Lukaku stood around doing nothing but hitting the back of the net while Sandro ran around a lot and hardly scored at all.

McCarthy and Bolasie being available for selection can only be a good thing.

Vijay Nair
16 Posted 16/12/2017 at 03:13:36
Lev (#12) and Gary (#13), spot on regards to Macca.

Whilst we're on the topic of injuries, any word on Funes Mori? Seems like he won't play a game this season.

Derek Knox
17 Posted 15/12/2017 at 05:23:12
A bit harsh there, Lev, if you don't mind my saying so, I would rather have a fit McCarthy any day to Schneiderlin, who I will never be convinced, is right for us.

At least McCarthy does put a shift in, and knows which direction we are playing, in both halves!

Admittedly again, another player, we (Martinez) paid well over the odds for but, if fit, at least displays some desire to win.

Gareth Clark
18 Posted 16/12/2017 at 06:43:43
I think Big Sam knows what he's doing.

He won't risk bringing them back too early.

But, even if Bolasie can be on the bench, it will be a huge boost for him and the team.

Sam Hoare
19 Posted 16/12/2017 at 07:46:49
A fit and firing Bolasie and McCarthy would be incredibly useful and both would walk into the first team in my opinion.

The reality is though that long-term injuries take their toll and are especially likely to diminish the players pace and intensity, two defining characteristics for those players.

I'm sure they will not be rushed back, especially as our situation is a little more relaxed than it was a few weeks back. I would quite like to see Sandro and Klaassen given some game time soon and might advocate this team vs Swansea:

Kenny Holgate Williams Martina
Klaassen Gueye Rooney
Sandro Calvert-Lewin Sigurdsson

I imagine Swansea will sit back a bit so pace is less crucial though you could start Lookman. Maybe best to keep an unchanged team but we'll have to use our squad a bit more over Xmas and this seems a good game to make a few changes.

William Cartwright
20 Posted 16/12/2017 at 08:19:24
Gareth @ 18.

Intentionally or not, I think you have hit upon the one liner that for me sums up Allardyce: "He knows what he is doing..."

That ability comes with experience. Many younger managers also do have the skills, whether natural or learned, such as motivational, inspirational, tactical, psychological, interpersonal, etc, and most have one or two particular aspects of the job which are of a particular / personal interest, such as Martinez with his physiotherapy qualification. Although you would never have guessed that given the history of the soft tissue injuriess experienced!

Sam's interest in state of the art technology could be an area where he gains an advantage to benefit the Club.

What underlies my view is (as others have noticed), is his after match comments have nearly always struck a chord with a lot of supporters. He is always seeming to say the right thing. That with his laid back style of delivery, no waffle, no innuendos, just straight talking, will definitely inspire a respectful confidence in his messages.

I was anti-Allardyce previously, but I think his comments regarding McCarthy, as well as his management of the psycho-physical aspects might just bring a McCarthy of old back into the squad / team. His form in his first season was one reason why we got to 5th and I for one would love to see him performing at his best once again.

Gareth Clark
21 Posted 16/12/2017 at 08:37:21
William (#20),

I agree 100% with you – I too was anti-Allardyce. However, when I heard that he was bringing Shakespeare & Sammy Lee with him. I actually got quite excited.

They have a proper team, where responsibility ultimately falls on Allardyce, but the unit is very strong and experienced and know what they're doing.

Allardyce himself has surprised me with the intelligence of his talking and how he subtlety motivates and gives confidence to players.

Furthermore, with regards to getting in a proper nutritionist & addressing the injuries through technology – that is a big plus that I thought he would never bring in.

Nitesh Kanchan
22 Posted 16/12/2017 at 09:01:53
Good to see them back. But how long will Macca stay fit now before he gets injured again? I think we should sell him for whatever decent enough fee we get and concentrate on getting Baningime into his position. We will have many wingers now with Bolasie fit again along with Lennon, Mirallas, Vlasic, Lookman, Sandro and Onyekuru coming back.
Barry Pearce
23 Posted 16/12/2017 at 09:37:04
A fit Jimmy Mac, is an asset, and he would definitely be an Allardyce-type player.
Liam Reilly
24 Posted 16/12/2017 at 09:53:31
McCarthy is a cracking footballer; was mismanaged by Martinez who ran him into the ground.

Hopefully his recovery has been managed better this time and I for one would like him on the pitch at Anfield in early January.

Also Luke Shaw is available apparently; not everyone's cup of tea but at least that's his position and Martina will undoubtedly be targeted in that game.

Colin Malone
25 Posted 16/12/2017 at 10:31:45
What's all the fuss about Bolasie? From what I have seen of him, he didn't set the world on fire, a couple of good runs in a game, non-existent in his defensive duties, one goal in 13 games.

Come on, Yannick, prove me wrong.

Nigel Munford
27 Posted 16/12/2017 at 11:37:45
Sam, why would you mess with a winning team? That's what Koeman did and messed up big time. Sam knows what he's doing and I'd like to see an unchanged team start against the Swans.
Tom Bowers
28 Posted 16/12/2017 at 11:41:40
Macca and Yannik can really make a positive difference to the Everton line-up when they are fully tuned up. In my book, Macca can do better than Gana or Schneiderlin and Yannik would be a better threat up front.

The team has been grinding out points without being convincing but, with Rooney's contributions, there is always hope of a point or three. Is it only the Gunners game that he scored and the Blues lost?

William Cartwright
29 Posted 16/12/2017 at 11:57:00
Following up on my earlier comments on the great impact Sam and his team have had since their arrival, it really does bring Koeman's woeful performance into perspective.

I know it does no good to look back, and try to score retrospective points, but his general performance as a "manager of men" must rank as one of the worst in a high profile industry ever.

Pity the poor club, or country, who he ends up with next. Perhaps he may reflect upon where he went wrong, but with his ego... probably not.

I have heard comments that Sam has an ego. Probability is that behind the scenes if not in front of them, that every high profile manager has one; must go with the territory I suppose.

It will be interesting to see how he deals with the Swansea game. This must be the first under his tenure where we are the clear favorites to win! A different mind-set may be called for?

Gary Russell
30 Posted 16/12/2017 at 12:26:22
Tom 28 @ 'In my book Macca can do better than Gana or Schneiderlin...'

Macca can do? Gana seems to be near the top or tops the most tackles stats a game etc, and he is rarely injured. Never heard anyone mention James in that regard. Not trying to turn this in a Macca v Gueye debate and I like Macca, when he plays, but therein lies the point.

Steve Ferns
31 Posted 16/12/2017 at 12:27:05
Vijay, forget about Funes Mori.

It was said he hurt his knee playing for Argentina at the end of last season. He missed the last 5-10 games. Then he had a knee op and was going to do pre-season. Next thing, he broke down and had a further knee op. The club announced the knee was in a bad way and that he would be out for a further 9 months effectively ruling him out for the season. I've seen no updates since but, bearing in mind the significance of the injury, I wasn't going to look until spring at the earliest.

David Connor
32 Posted 16/12/2017 at 12:55:08
Great to hear that the injuries are starting to ease up. Get McCarthy fit. Don't play him and move him on in January. No room for serial crocks in the squad anymore.

He must have spent 2 full seasons on the treatment table since we signed him. But who would buy him? We can't rely on crocks and he is one of the worst I've ever known. Shame as he could've been a big player for us.

Jamie Evans
33 Posted 16/12/2017 at 12:55:28
Yes please to both. But no rush, certainly while we are winning anyway. Let's not panic and bring them back too quickly. We've had enough panic about the place to last us a lifetime.

Remember all, just 6 more wins to safety. That's what the last panic was all about wasn't it? Safety?

Derek Knox
34 Posted 16/12/2017 at 13:16:36
Off topic here, but just watching Leicester at home to Palace, and believe it or not, they are two down to bottom of the table Palace, and it's still first half.

Possibly a forewarning for Monday Night, never under-estimate the opposition – not that I think Sam would, especially at home, still a caveat though!

Brian Foley
35 Posted 16/12/2017 at 13:41:47
Tom (#28),

Macca can do WHAT instead of Gana?

Yannick would be better threat up front than WHO?

Please explain these two meaningless statements.

Ian Bennett
36 Posted 16/12/2017 at 14:01:28
Make or break for McCarthy now.
Paul Wyndham
37 Posted 16/12/2017 at 14:12:19
I'm not a fan of either player but in our current predicament any extra body's to boost the squad are welcome. McCarthy frustrated me constantly with his crab-like performances and Bolasie was all tricks and very little end product. We should've spent that money on Zaha.

McCarthy for me needs to be moved on at the end of the season; maybe he can follow Martin O'Neill to his next managerial appointment or carry Roy Keane's bags for him.

Steve Ferns
38 Posted 16/12/2017 at 14:15:38
Brian, I think you, and others, have forgotten just how good McCarthy was. Okay he was not close to world class, but he was a very good Premier League player.

The year we finished 5th, with a record 72 points, is something just so easily dismissed by most on here. It was one hell of a season. Was it down to Martinez' tactics? Well it seems the majority of people on here (laughably) have him down as our worst ever manager.

So if it was a fluke, then that would be reflected in the goal difference, a load of lucky single goal wins would have an abnormally low goal difference for our position, such as the year we got 4th with a negative goal difference. No, we had a +22 goal difference. Only the teams above us won more, or lost less. Only Man Utd scored more below us, and only two teams in the league conceded less.

So it must be the players then. Martinez brought in four main first team players: Lukaku, Barry, McCarthy and to an extent Barkley. Lukaku was just 20/21 that season and was a long way off the player who left us last season, scoring 10 less goals. And if it was really down to Lukaku and only Lukaku, why did Chelsea (who still owned him at this point) agree to sell him to us? Could it be he, as I said, still had a lot of developing to do?

Barkley was 19, and it was probably his best ever season, but did he do it single-handedly? Or was it down to a renaissance from Gareth Barry, who may have had the best season of his career; as good as he was – he was hardly winning all the headlines.

Barkley and Lukaku won the majority of the headlines. But there was one player who was being linked with a move away from us, and to the big 4, and that was James McCarthy.

What can McCarthy do that Gueye cannot? He can run a game. He can dominate the opposition midfield for a full 90 minutes. Barry was a complimentary player and they suited each other's games perfectly, no doubt about that. But Barry couldn't press, it was McCarthy who got about the opposition pressing all over the pitch, whilst Barry sat in. McCarthy might not be able to hit the 60-yard passes Barry could but it was he who made Everton tick.

People often say what went wrong in the second and the third season of Martinez, and I always say injury to James McCarthy. Watch any game from that first season, even the bad ones, watch how McCarthy gets after the opposition, and then watch what McCarthy does that Gueye cannot. He wins it, he passes it very quickly to Barry, and he gets forward. Barry gets the ball forwards and McCarthy joins the attack. We were lightning fast in the transition and that is how McCarthy ran the game, and that is the difference between Gueye and McCarthy. One is a one-dimensional player, the other is a box-to-box midfielder with a much better all round game.

Someone posted just how many games McCarthy played in the second and third season and expressed their surprise. That explains it all. He was injured for most of the season, yet he missed only 10 games the second season and 9 the third. What that does not tell you is how many games he played whilst injured, how many times he limped off, and how much damage he did to himself.

Make no mistake about it. That season, 2013-14, was the best season we have had since 1987, not just in terms of points, but in terms of performance, and a lot of that was down to James McCarthy and his ability to win the ball and snap the passes and make us transition from defence into attack very quickly.

He was one hell of a player, he's only 27, but I doubt he will ever reach that level of fitness or performance ever again. He's been a massive loss.

Gary Reeves
39 Posted 16/12/2017 at 14:25:15
I'm amazed some Blues can't see what McCarthy brings to the side. His partnership with Barry was head and shoulders above anything we've had since.

But once again Barkley's name gets brought up on this thread,as a player that might improve our situation!

If you're reading, Bill Kenwright, I personally will drive Ross to London free of charge. I'll drop him off at Oxford Circus, and he can go where he wants from there, I really don't care. The prospect of wasting more games on his "potential" worries me more than anything.

Paul Wyndham
40 Posted 16/12/2017 at 14:32:36
McCarthy "can run a game, he can dominate an opposition midfield for 90 minutes and it was him that made Everton tick"

That is more than a subjective view,it's bordering on fantasy. I used to watch McCarthy in crucial games and games against the better teams. He went missing and hid; he'd place himself in areas where he was unlikely to receive the ball.

Championship player at best and never likely to replace Gueye now.

Jay Wood
41 Posted 16/12/2017 at 14:51:27
I've long believed the James McCarthy situation is easily explained by how young he was and how many 1st class games he played early in his career.

He wasn't even 16 years old when he first played for Hamilton Academical. In 3 seasons, he clocked up 110 appearances for them, winning the Scottish Young Player of the Year award at such an unfashionable club in his final season with them, aged 18.

He was still 4 months shy of his 19th birthday when he moved to Wigan where he played 133 times in 5 seasons.

So when he joined Everton, aged just 23, he already had nearly 250 senior league games in his legs, plus another 22 games for the Ireland full national side, plus another 14 games in the various national junior levels.

That's 279 senior games to his name before he joined Everton. Many professional footballers chalk up that number of games over a whole career of 10-15 years.

Like another (northern) Irishman and ex-Evertonian, Norman Whiteside, I believe James McCarthy played too many senior games, too early, and his body is now paying the price for it.

If fit and consistently available, playing to the standards he is capable of, he would be a shoe-in in a Sam Allardyce team.

Steve Ferns
42 Posted 16/12/2017 at 15:02:18
Yes Jay, everything you said is right. Koeman didn't seem too keen at first, but after the Arsenal game, he seemed to try everything to get McCarthy back into the side last season. I think he's still our best midfielder, but that's obviously going off 2013-14 form.
Sam Hoare
43 Posted 16/12/2017 at 15:03:04
Nigel@27, did you read my whole post? If so I've already answered your question.

We have 5 games in 15 days. If you think we can play the same XI throughout then I beg to differ. This seems like a good game to try one or two squad members to me though I appreciate it's not ideal to interrupt momentum.

Nick Lacey
44 Posted 16/12/2017 at 15:10:02
Steve (#38). I agree with absolutely everything that you've said about McCarthy. People forget how good he really was in the first season at Everton. These types of players are essential for a successful team, but unfortunately, they are often overlooked.

I really hope he makes a full recovery as I think that when he is fit, he is the best player in his position.

Frank Wade
45 Posted 16/12/2017 at 15:12:54
I just hope these guys are not rushed back. They should play a few games with the U23s and depending on how they go, ease back in.

I can't understand the criticism of James McCarthy wanting to play for Ireland, while others are hoping Ross gets games under his belt to play for England in the World Cup.

The player was overused. By all accounts Sam Allardyce is a fan of Sports Science, so hopefully will have a better handle than Physio Martinez on how to manage fatigue and injury

Off Topic, but apparently we're considering buying a left back Luke Shaw in the window. As Callum Connolly has scored another goal for Ipswich, I wonder can we recall him from loan? He's on a similar career trajectory as Jonjoe Kenny.

Steavey Buckley
46 Posted 16/12/2017 at 15:30:09
Everton players have far too many injuries that are not cleared up quickly enough. Or should have not happened in the first place while training. Training is supposed to strengthen body and make it more resistant to injuries.
David Barks
47 Posted 16/12/2017 at 15:34:00

Injuries happen during training all the time, everywhere, in every sport. It is while you are pushing your body to strengthen it that injuries occur. No club has control over that. The only thing that can be controlled to some extent is the rehabilitation.

Christy Ring
48 Posted 16/12/2017 at 16:32:38
Steve @38,

Spot on about McCarthy. People seem to forget how good he was, and hopefully Sam and his staff can sort out his hamstring. If he can overcome the injury, we'll have a fresh and rejuvenated player, who will make a huge difference in the middle of the park.

John Dingle
49 Posted 16/12/2017 at 16:33:10
Gary Russel (#13),

In respect of McCarthy you state “He is yet to appear this season.”

He played 64 mins against Chelsea in the Carabao Cup, and in my opinion played well.

Gentlemen our comments in regard of players trying their best for EFC should afford them the respect they deserve. Players do not get injured on purpose and are no doubt far more frustrated with their situation than we are. Emotive tendentious language has to be avoided when commenting on players livelihoods.

If there is one player we should try to move on is Schneiderlin – his lack of effort is disrespectful to the club and supporters.

Steven Jones
50 Posted 16/12/2017 at 17:07:17
Steavey (#46) and Dave (#47).

Proper preparation of the person in terms of balanced muscle groups, skeletal balance and not over compensating etc due to long term physical habits is one way of avoiding some of the muscle injuries.

The skeletal balance as well helps as does balancing aerobic stamina exercise and the anaerobic sprint exercises.

Quite often Martinez, play with the ball philosophy, builds certain muscle groups and passing style stamina – when taken to a level of overload and even to a level of fatigue then the physiology and the unbalanced loads let in the weakness, eg, to hard sprinting loads on the likes of McCarthy with his hamstrings.

Australian Rugby League have a lot of sprint work to prepare the body for anaerobic explosions and have less hamstring injuries.

I saw someone talking about Martinez running James McCarthy into the ground – it is when fatigued bodies on the aerobic side of things then gets over stressed with anaerobic over loading that injuries happen.

Hope that helps a little. Sam Allardyce and his more scientific approach and team will help us move into a better prepared and less injury environment.

Dermot Byrne
51 Posted 16/12/2017 at 17:12:18
Not sure where to put this but notice our lad has scored for Forest again. Getting better and better?
Gary Russell
52 Posted 16/12/2017 at 17:14:02
When I searched online this morning John, it came up zero on my Google search. I guess it was Premier League games.

And my point remains, at what point does the club say it's time to sell? I am not questioning his ability and his meager 'livelihood'. Nor am I questioning his effort or using tendentious language.

Someone mentioned that his regular starts in his second and third seasons explains it all. It merely highlights that since then, he has been missing far too much and what I was trying to state.

I hope he gets fit and stays fit, but the club needs to avoid another Gibson scenario. It's not like we are billionaires now, is it?

Tony Abrahams
53 Posted 16/12/2017 at 17:21:50
Good post Steve@38, I also agree that a fit McCarthy would be our best midfielder. Sometimes wish he would try and do more with the ball, when he's got time, but it looks like he's been schooled by Martinez, to just keep it simple, and this is something he does very well.

I remember we beat Southampton around Xmas during that first Martinez season, with McCarthy bursting forward to create the winner, and also thought Schneiderlin, was very good for The Saints, that day.

Phil Walling, said some time ago that Mourinho only sold Morgan to us because his legs have gone, and when I remember that game, I think Phil, and Jose might just be right!

James Marshall
54 Posted 16/12/2017 at 17:59:04
What are people talking about when they say they're worried about players being rushed back? Do you think that our team of professional physios, doctors and fitness coaches suddenly forget how to do their jobs when footballers start playing matches again after serious injury?

What are you actually thinking here? There's no sudden fast-forward going on with these players.

Steve Ferns
55 Posted 16/12/2017 at 19:31:56
Well James, clearly there is a breakdown in communication between James McCarthy, the management, and the medical team. Because it's obvious that, time and time again, he has come back too soon. And that is shown by how often he is injured within three games of his comeback, with the same injury.
David Barks
56 Posted 16/12/2017 at 20:17:10

There is no guarantee that sitting out an extra month would have guaranteed he didn't get the same injury in the same timespan after returning. As was mentioned before, if there is an underlying injury that is causing an imbalance, the hamstring can heal perfectly and then get re-injured. A spinal issue is often a cause of hamstring issues, but it's difficult to diagnose in some cases and difficult to treat in others.

Nicholas Ryan
57 Posted 16/12/2017 at 22:03:40
Surely, it can't just be coincidence that Everton, West Ham and Palace had 'big name' foreign coaches who crashed and burned; they are then replaced with tough, experienced, hard-nosed Brits, who lead them to instant revival?

I think there's a lesson here, though I'm not entirely sure, what it is!

Peter Lee
58 Posted 16/12/2017 at 23:39:55
I never fancied Bolasie, Palace fans couldn't care less when he went. He did little up to his injury to have me anticipating his return other than exhibiting a bit of pace, which we desperately lack.

McCarthy was never more than solid. Never sure what he was supposed to be doing really. He didn't get forward enough to support/create and often let people get past him on our right before waking up and racing back. Sometimes he caught up, most often not. Probably better than Schneiderlin though.

Clive Mitchell
59 Posted 16/12/2017 at 23:58:59
Peter (#58), better than Schneiderlin? Vinny Samways was better than Schneiderlin. I'd love to have a fit McCarthy back in the team/squad.
Peter Lee
60 Posted 17/12/2017 at 00:03:50
Squad, yes. Team, not sure.
Jack Convery
61 Posted 17/12/2017 at 01:45:13
Off topic but I need to say it – will the West Ham guy get a 2 game ban for conning the ref? I wait with baited breath... NOT.
Gary Russell
62 Posted 17/12/2017 at 02:18:12
Indeed Jack, I was going to say the same. There's since been quite a few worthy of retrospective action since Oumar's. The FA and consistency are poles apart.
Nitesh Kanchan
63 Posted 17/12/2017 at 02:26:05
Macca is turning into Gibson. People over here are becoming sentimental – just like Moshiri, who was saying we are a family team when Macca was about to be sold.

Even though I agree with their sentiments, how can we keep a player who can't play more than three proper games before getting injured long term? We pay his full season wages which could be used for a new player or for someone who plays for this club for an entire season, or put into the academies or loans.

It's like working for two months and still getting paid a full year's salary for doing nothing for the other 10 months.

John Dingle
64 Posted 17/12/2017 at 03:07:57
Gary at #52. I don’t think compareing McCarthy to Gibson is a reasonable comparison. To the best of my knowledge McCarthy has not been arrested or caught on camera drunk as a skunk.

In my opinion “get rid” is tendentious.

On balance I agree we ought to cut our losses and try and move McCarthy on, but who would buy him?

Does anyone know how long he has left on his contract? Or who renewed, and at what point, his contact when he clearly has had injury issues for some time.
James Flynn
65 Posted 17/12/2017 at 03:26:28
Steve (#38) -

"What can McCarthy do that Gueye cannot? He can run a game. He can dominate the opposition midfield for a full 90 minutes."

Run a game? Never once did James run a game. I'm happy to be convinced otherwise by you, though. What game Everton played, ever, where the game-end consensus was that McCarthy "ran the game?" Come on, now.

"Barry was a complimentary player and they suited each other's games perfectly, no doubt about that."

That they complimented one another is true. But when the entire history of English footy is recorded and studied, nowhere will it indicate that when Barry and James played midfield for Everton Football Club, that Gareth Barry was the "complimentary player" to James McCarthy. For God's sake!

"But Barry couldn't press, it was McCarthy who got about the opposition pressing all over the pitch, whilst Barry sat in."

Gareth could and did routinely press. He did it every game he played; including last season. His problem, which you described as "couldn't press" was with a fast opponent coming right at him.

As for McCarthy "pressing all over the pitch"? What pitch? Ever? He went where Barry told him to, then passed it to Barry. You must be forgetting young James being torn apart in here for his square or reverse passes he became renowned/vilified for. Game after game.

"McCarthy might not be able to hit the 60-yard passes Barry could but it was he who made Everton tick."

He never made Everton tick. Even in that first season. He did work his socks off playing for the first big Club signed him. That he did.

Instead of finding himself toiling away in the Championship, he tripped and fell into a first-rate Club. And pulled his weight when given the chance. Good on him.

He's a fine pro. Did his job well when first in. I like him still. Hope he does come back.

But the Club headed South in a hurry under Roberto because he was a shit manager. Google Osman's book. That will explain why we fell fast under Martinez.

That we fell as we did under Roberto because Macca's legs wouldn't hold up simply isn't true.

Gary Russell
66 Posted 17/12/2017 at 05:36:14
John, the clue is in this sentence I wrote. 'I hope he gets fit and stays fit, but the club needs to avoid another Gibson scenario.' Notice the word 'fit', twice. I never mentioned 'arrested' or 'drunk', but if you think I am somehow comparing that side of Gibson to Macca then your argument is not even tenuous.

I had to look up the word 'tendentious": 'Expressing or intending to promote a particular cause or point of view, especially a controversial one.' If you find 'get rid' insulting, offensive, or as you put it, 'Emotive tendentious language' then all I can say is 'semantics'.

James Marshall
67 Posted 17/12/2017 at 09:27:37
Steve @55 how is that any indication he came back too soon?

I would suggest that McCarthy is simply prone to injury as many players have been over the years – the question of 'why' is open to debate of course, but to simply say he was rushed back every time seems unlikely to me.

Someone mentioned he played a lot of games when he was young, which seems like a more likely explanation – or he could simply be prone to injury, in part due to the way he plays, and the rest due to other factors unknown. I played sports all my life and I've had 6 different surgeries, broken almost literally every bone in my body and spent probably years not being able to take part as a result.

Why was I injured all the time when my friends/team mates weren't? Well I was pretty reckless in my attitude to skating, climbing, football, cycling etc which meant I got hurt a lot – was I rushed back and therefore more likely to get injured again? No, not at all.

Martin Nicholls
68 Posted 17/12/2017 at 09:58:58
James Flynn (#65) – spot on.

Tony Abrahams (#53) – you might be right in suggesting that Schneiderlin's legs "have gone" but the guy is only 28 now and would have been under 27 when first managed by Mourinho. He hasn't played a massive number of games (like for example Gareth Barry, Wayne Rooney etc) so why would his legs have gone at such an early age?

As I say, you might well be right, Tony, but for me, Schneiderlin's problems are in his head.

John Dingle
69 Posted 17/12/2017 at 11:32:24
Gary at #52. I don’t think compareing McCarthy to Gibson is a reasonable comparison. To the best of my knowledge McCarthy has not been arrested or caught on camera drunk as a skunk.

In my opinion “get rid” is tendentious.

On balance I agree we ought to cut our losses and try and move McCarthy on, but who would buy him?

Does anyone know how long he has left on his contract? Or who renewed, and at what point, his contact when he clearly has had injury issues for some time.
Gary Russell
70 Posted 17/12/2017 at 11:38:48
Err, John. I replied to you already. Post #66 if ya somehow missed it.
Tony Abrahams
71 Posted 17/12/2017 at 19:58:29
Martin, I was just repeating what Phil, had said, and thought he might be right because Schniederlin doesn’t look like he wants to run, but as you say it might just be in his head.

It’s his lack of willingness to run forward with the ball at his feet which is the most frustrating thing to watch, so it’s possible given his age, and the fact you don’t really need legs to do this, that it might just be in his head?

He looked a good player when he first came, got closer to his opponent, and read the game really well to gain a lot of ball, on the blind side, but he doesn’t look like he wants to play anymore, which is a sin for any midfielder?

Peter Lee
72 Posted 18/12/2017 at 08:25:47
Mo Besic. Posters more often than not write him off. Why? After a first season on the fringes, a second season battered by hamstring problems never sorted properly and then a third with an ACL injury – he is just coming back.

He's on a contract to 2021 so we shouldn't be writing him off just yet and he must be one of those in the mix for a slot in front if the back four. He's certainly a longer way down the fitness route than James McCarthy.

Mick Davies
73 Posted 18/12/2017 at 16:38:59
James Flynn @ 65. "Run a game? Never once did James run a game. I'm happy to be convinced otherwise by you, though. What game Everton played, ever, where the game-end consensus was that McCarthy "ran the game?" Come on, now."

How about the derby that we should have won, when he was 'running' the game by dominating Liverpool's midfield, until he went off injured, and we lost.

Also, we battered Bournemouth in the first half with James scoring and setting up Lukaku's first. He went off and they got back into the game but faded later and we finished them off on the break.

I can't stand fans having a go at players who give 100%. Leave that for the skivers and shirkers, not the likes of McCarthy, who leaves everything on the pitch.

Darren Hind
74 Posted 18/12/2017 at 17:03:22
Something not quite right with Schneiderlin, Tony. We know he can play better than he has been, but he has looked unwilling or unable to run for some time now. Looked slightly better last time out so hopefully that's him snapping out of it...
Brian Williams
75 Posted 18/12/2017 at 17:24:09
Thought the same Darren. Played like he really didn't want to be here, shitting out of 50/50's and looking totally unhappy.

Mystifying because as you say we know he's better than that and put in some great performances last season.

Just goes to show they're human after all!

Dave Abrahams
76 Posted 18/12/2017 at 17:32:08
James (65), "never made Everton tick, not even in his first season". Well, James, game after game he was one of the best players for Everton in his first season, winning the ball in all sections of the field, doing his part alongside Gareth Barry and covering for Barry when Gareth went forward.

After we signed Barry, was it on deadline day of the transfer season, he was given the role of coming back and getting the ball off Howard. He became the main man, the ball player coming out of defence and then backing the play up.

James McCarthy was the grafter who constantly won the ball back after we lost it and started the attacks going again, James, give Barry his due by all means but don't say James McCarthy didn't play a very big part in that good season for Everton.

I would say he was rushed back or played when he wasn't 100% fit by Martinez in the following seasons.

Yes he hasn't been the same since except for when became back last season versus Arsenal, when he did run the game, physically and verbally in a 2-1 win, he was doing the same against Liverpool when unfortunately his hamstring went again, and he hasn't been properly fit since.

I don't think he is unfit on purpose and maybe he will never get back to fitness again. I think that will be a big loss to Everton.

James Flynn
77 Posted 18/12/2017 at 17:52:29
Mick (73) - "I can't stand fans having a go at players who give 100%."

Agree. The Stracq remains one of my favorites. Always bothers me when someone knocks him.

But if you're applying the above to me, you must not have read my post clearly. I complimented James several times for what he brings to the table.

But running the game, any game since he's been at Everton? Never happened, including the games you mentioned above. He didn't "run" those games.

He is what he is (or was what he was, if his injury form holds), a committed, hard-charging, hard-running player you like to see in your team. Good stuff and good on him.

But the next game he "runs" for Everton will be his first. And I'll be applauding along with you and everyone else.

What I won't be doing is holding my breath in anticipation. This is his 9th season in the Premier League. He's flat not a player going to run a game.

As long as he's healthy and doing what he does best, I'm happy.

James Flynn
78 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:01:50
Dave (76) - "don't say James McCarthy didn't play avery big part in that good season for Everton."

That's easy. I didn't say it.

Darren Hind
79 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:09:17
There is different ways to run a game. The guy who continually threatens the opposition with penetrating passes. The guy who repeatedly goes past men and creates chances (like Saha is doing for Palace now) then as Dave A points out, the guy who breaks up opposition attacks all afternoon.

Pirlo, my favourite all time player, used to run games from his own half while sitting in a deck chair smoking a cigar.

Neil Cremin
80 Posted 18/12/2017 at 18:43:34
I started reading the post and was warmed by positivity until Lev at 7. Same old biased drivel. Where did Macca get his injuries?

Will we every learn?

Dave Abrahams
81 Posted 19/12/2017 at 09:09:52
James (78), fair enough, you also asked to point out when James McCarthy had ever ran the game, if ever, which I did. Answer the whole reply please – in other words "play the game"
John G Davies
82 Posted 19/12/2017 at 09:34:57
Change "run a game" to "influence a game".

There is only one way to run a game. That is the player who dictates the pace of the play. Slows it down when he chooses and quicken it up when he chooses.

Gerrard, Lampard etc could never run a game; Scholes, Xavi, Iniesta could.

James Flynn
83 Posted 19/12/2017 at 22:40:19
Dave (81) - Apologies. Haven't peeked in here for a bit.

You think he ran those games, I concede just for the point of argument.

You, I, and everyone knows what "He ran the game" means and which players that term is associated with: a select few. None named McCarthy.

As I mentioned and am happy to repeat, I like James. I like and enjoy the energy and commitment he brings to the game.

Let me be wrong, but I think he's washed up. Martinez didn't look after him. I can't prove it, of course, but will always believe Roberto shoved him out there in the Europa when his hamstring wasn't fully healed.

What, maybe 15 minutes into the game, he's walking with one hand rubbing that hamstring. Been the ruin of him since.

Anyway, if we're serious about making some noise in the Premier League, we need better midfielders than James McCarthy.

God bless him.

Dave Abrahams
84 Posted 20/12/2017 at 00:37:27
James (#83), been out myself tonight, Christmas party with my mates. Just got in, thanks for your reply, you might be correct that injury has put an end to McCarthy's career. I hope you are wrong and no doubt you hope that yourself.

Anyway James I think we will agree that we will be both happy if Everton win a trophy soon with or without James McCarthy. I hope it is with him and I know you would not begrudge James picking up a medal with the Blues. Thanks again, James, for your reply.

James Flynn
85 Posted 20/12/2017 at 10:30:19
Dave (84) - In complete agreement. Happy Hols to you and yours.
Tony Abrahams
86 Posted 21/12/2017 at 09:37:08
Haven't been on ToffeeWeb as much for a few days, and just saw what Darren, and Brian wrote about Schneiderlin. I thought he was poor the other night, even if some people thought he did a bit better.

I honestly think that the role he's playing is already getting done properly off Gueye, who now seems to have rediscovered his discipline, and its now leaving us a man down further up the pitch.

I would like to see Sigurdsson, stop getting wasted out-wide, bring in someone who finds it natural to play on the wing, and this should turn us into a much more attacking unit, and stop Calvert Lewis, getting-so isolated when we attack.

I honestly think/hope that Sammy Lee, will have been looking at Morgan, and will hopefully be getting inside his head, otherwise I can't see him lasting long at Everton.

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