Everton reach Mangala loan agreement with City

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Updated Everton have signed Manchester City's back-up centre-half, Eliaquim Mangala, on loan until the end of the season.

The Frenchman travelled to Merseyside to undergo a medical late this afternoon and concluded the necessary paperwork in time to be registered as the club's third signing of the January transfer window.

The 26-year-old has been drafted in to offer a left-footed defensive option to add to that of Ramiro Funes Mori who is still some way off full fitness following surgery on his knee.

Mangala arrived at the Etihad Stadium from Porto three and a half years ago in a massive £31.8m deal that eventually ballooned to £42m due to the player's complicated image rights.

The 26-year-old has struggled to justify the price tag with City and has fallen down the pecking order there behind the likes of John Stones, Vincent Kompany and Nicolas Otamendi. He spent last season on loan at Valencia where he made 30 league appearances.

Pep Guardiola's decision to break the Manchester club's transfer record this week for Aymeric Laporte will only have lessened Mangala's chances of getting game time this season.

Everton have been without a left-sided defender since Funes Mori and Leighton Baines both succumbed to injuries but have now moved to shore up that part of the squad.

The deal with City is reported to include an option to make the move to Goodison permanent in the summer for around £15m, with a loan deal that will see the Blues pay an initial fee of around £1m.


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Brian Cleveland
1 Posted 31/01/2018 at 05:15:50
Please no. He is so error-prone it is untrue. I know we're desperate, but are we that desperate?
Mike Gaynes
3 Posted 31/01/2018 at 05:51:07
Big, strong guy who would be extremely useful for taking luggage down from the overhead rack on the plane.

Could also do a fine job providing door security for the Directors Box.

Other than that...

Kunal Desai
4 Posted 31/01/2018 at 06:35:43
Add another shite defender to the list we already have – why not?

What a joke this club is.

Tony Hill
5 Posted 31/01/2018 at 06:35:54
Yes, he’s never impressed. Disappointing.
John G Davies
6 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:13:02
If he signs, straight away he is the best defender at the club.
Sam Hoare
7 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:29:35
I think it could be interesting.

He's big, quick, strong and most importantly left footed. He was very good at Porto and did okay last season on loan. Never quite settled into the team at City but there may still be a player in there.

It's only a loan and we are obviously lacking left footed defenders. He could potentially play left centre-back or left-back... though wouldn't offer much offensively.

A sensible if not inspiring move.

Mike Dixon
8 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:31:16
Left-footed, could play left-back? Is he worse than Martina?
John Belshaw
9 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:32:35
Another cast off from one of the unassailable, elite Sky top six clubs. We're like a feeder club – but unfortunately in reverse!

All the has-beens, never-beens, discards, untested or unproven get on the coach for Goodison Park please!

I hope Kenwright et al are pleased with what they've done to our once great club.

Derek Knox
10 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:32:54
I have obviously heard of him, but apart from that, know very little about him, he doesn't seem to have appeared for Man City very often since his move.

Beggaring the obvious question why, I tend to believe supporter's assessments rather than those so called 'in the know'.

Judging by the comments we have landed another expensive show pony, that is if true.

Surely though he will be better than some we have going through the motions.

Colin Glassar
11 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:33:54
I'm going to work and I won't be bothering to check any Everton-related news as they (the owners) are making me sick.

Mangala, if it happens, is a good option though as he's an excellent player.

Neil Gribbin
12 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:41:00
We are an absolute joke. What do the scouts do?

I am sick of the club, sick of being let down by them. If I manage to drag myself to possibly two more games this season, I will be amazed!

John Charles
13 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:43:31
A massive improvement on anything we have at present.
Ian Bennett
14 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:49:19
Agreed, John – try before you buy. Didn't work out at Man City, but doesn't mean he couldn't make it with us.

Strong, fast, left footed and good in the air. Can't be any worst than what we have already that will be a year older next season – Williams 45, and Jags 106...

Si Pulford
15 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:55:39
Some of the comments on here are ridiculous. He was valued at £42 million a Short while ago and many many defenders don't make it at Man City.

Also, loan-to-buy makes perfect sense. I'm as staunch a critic of our transfer policy as any but this makes sense.

Charlie Lloyd
16 Posted 31/01/2018 at 07:56:41
One word... donkey!
Brian Williams
17 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:03:19
Si (#15).

Fully agree. This place is turning into an absolute whinge fest, and unfounded whingeing, most of the time, at that.

Some don't understand that buying/loaning players, for who it hasn't quite worked out from clubs above us, is generally the order of things. They're hardly going to sell/loan us their best players.

There needs to be a realization of what we are and where we are (at this present time) instead of playing "fantasy football."

Adam McCulloch
18 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:11:02
I actually think he could be a really good buy. He's the right age, he has a point to prove and he's a left-footed centre-half. It's a problem position for many teams, hence City breaking their transfer record to sign a player in Laporte who hasn't even played at international level.

We've always looked more solid with options in this position – Lescott, Distin, even Funes Mori was starting to look a little more settled. My only concern would be that he has been brought in as cover at left-back. Our chronic lack of pace at the back and carrying Schneiderlin for the last few months will continue to hamper us going forward.

Andy Williams
19 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:12:35
What you said, Brian.
Michael Lynch
20 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:14:21
As others have said, he can't be worse than our current options and it's only a loan deal. If he's shite, he can sit on the bench with the kids, if he's good... well to be honest if he does well he'll sign for a big European club next season, but in the meantime we've solved one of our biggest problems.

So either way he'll only be with us for a couple of months, and we can get a couple of permanent left sided defenders in the summer when there's a proper transfer market.

Kase Chow
21 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:19:09
We collectively agree our defence needs strengthening and the club loan a defender

If he’s no good we’ll send him back

If he’s good then we’ll try to buy

Yet the club are still criticised.

Everton, the home of cynics

Sam Hoare
22 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:19:17
To use the loan signing of a young(ish), recently very highly rated centre-back as an excuse to call the club a joke seems beyond parody.
Geoff Lambert
23 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:22:14
He could be the new Distin/
Dermot Byrne
24 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:23:38
Charlie Lloyd one word nah, too tempting!
Liam Reilly
25 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:23:44
I can't see much wrong with this loan until the season's end.

We need reinforcements quickly and this guy has shown to be an uncompromising good player; exactly what our shambolic defence needs.

There's no shame in not starting in that Man City side.

Laurie Hartley
27 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:27:09
We have needed a left footed centre half longer than we have needed a left-footed left-back.

The last left footed centre half that we took from City worked out quite well.

On loan – looks like a common sense deal to me.

Abraham Lincoln said – "Most folks are as happy as they want to be."

Dean Johnson
28 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:27:18
I remember when he first came to Man City, owned the place, was brilliant, but then realised he had to play like that every single game and kept making mistakes until dropped.

We forget he is young and has potential, but recent showings certainly don't convince me.

Jim Bennings
29 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:33:04
I am a bit surprised we didn’t get in ahead of Stoke to get Kurt Zouma on loan last summer?

If Mangala happens then let’s just see how he goes, I won’t hold my breath on it happening though!?

Ray Robinson
30 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:33:48
People on here whingeing about how we sign other team's cast-offs. Well I'm all for it if they're better than what we've already got – which he may well be.

Honestly, it's not as if we can sign a Laporte for £57m is it? And for all we know, he could yet turn out to be Mangala Mark 2.

The club is often justifiably criticised but whingeing about this already is ridiculous. Incremental progress is all we can ask for.

Rob Dolby
31 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:36:27
From what I have seen of him, he looks like an old school stopper and will marginally improve us. His problem at Man City is that they like playing 2 touch around their 18 yard box whereas Mangala's 2nd touch is usually a tackle.

He is similar to Sakho at Palace. Sam will have him defending and then twatting it upfield and he will probably look good doing it.

Tosun better get those Cuban-heeled boots out for the extra height he is going to need.

Robert Jones
32 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:40:31
Sign a left back!
Paul Richardson
33 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:43:37
This looks sound as a loan deal... would you really be delighted with a permanent deal for a Championship defender, or somebody from abroad who would take time to settle (see Tosun, Klaassen etc)? Club covering the bases.

Mind you, if we did get him early enough and he plays and has a mare tonight...

Barry Williams
34 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:50:40
France have qualified for the World Cup, right? He has 8 caps, something to play for, physical presence, a left foot and is a loan. That'll do, it is the January transfer window after all.

Those mentioning John Stones, well he initially struggled at Man City too and is maybe more to the manager's liking style-wise (though Mangala did play over 50 games).

For me, not knowing a lot about the guy, it seems win-win, especially given what we need, what we have, and the time of year! Oh, and he has played in the Premier League!

Colin Glassar
35 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:50:58
Robert (#32), there aren't any, according to our genius transfer team.
John Belshaw
36 Posted 31/01/2018 at 08:52:01
Yes, Ray, Incremental progression towards the Championship, the way we've been playing.
Winston Williamson
37 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:01:54
Definite upgrade on Williams, Keane, Funes Mori and Holgate. On a try-before-you-buy basis too.

Error prone? So are all of our other defenders. If he can comfortably head a ball, then he has a skill the others don't have...

Tony Everan
38 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:08:10
I cannot understand anyone slagging him off. He wants to come and play for us, that deserves some respect in itself.

He is left-footed, strong and will improve us where we are weak. It is good business.

Karl Parsons
39 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:13:11
If it's only a loan why not?
Ray Robinson
40 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:14:53
John (#36), so cynical. I don't rule out the possibility of relegation – unlike some on here – but surely signing a Man City "cast-off" on loan, who might prove better than what we have already, would point towards an upward trajectory?

If we were to end up in the Championship, I don't think it would have been as a result of signing Mangala!

Dave Evans
41 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:16:34
To the people saying 'shite' /'donkey'... Please give your list of quality defenders who fit the bill and you think would come to Everton this window?
Christine Foster
42 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:17:59
Sam must be looking at our defence and rightly thinking none of them are up for the job. We must have tried every combination and every tactical set up attempting to fashion a tighter defence to no avail. Jagielka and Williams are no longer able to cut it, Holgate has constantly struggled with positional sense, never in the right place... getting two out of three playing well is a physical impossibility it seems, so what have we got to lose?

Addressing some of the comments above though is worrying, a general point, ToffeeWeb has always mixed praise and criticism in equal measure, but with the current disappointments of this season, the latter is very much to the fore of late and perhaps is the resultant anger at the sheer bloody frustration of being an Evertonian.

Eddie Dunn
43 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:24:22
As good a player as we can expect to get in January. He surely cannot be worse than what we have got. He could be just the kind of lad that we need.

If he impresses, the naysayers on here will be demanding that the club stump-up the dosh in the summer to get him permanently.

Robin Cannon
44 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:26:52
1980s ToffeeWeb.

"Why are we in for Peter Reid, useless crock?"

"Why are we in for Andy Gray, useless crock?"

"If he hasn't made it at Liverpool at 23, why are we signing Sheedy? We don't need their cast-offs."

Different teams, different needs. I get really bored when every time we buy a player who isn't wanted by another team, it gets slagged off. There are hundreds of players who've struggled at one club and gone on to success at another.

26-year-old French international, until recently the most expensive defender in Britain, on a loan with no risk, when everyone's been complaining that our centre-backs are too old/, too low, or too shite. And still some people whine.

Chris Gould
45 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:30:45
Man City's defenders are expected to do more than most defenders enjoy doing. If you don't enjoy passing it around your box and taking risks, then joining an Allardyce team will be a breath of fresh air for the lad.

I think he'll be excellent. Strong, fast, very good in the air, and with a point to prove. Great news!

Nicholas Ryan
46 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:30:52
To those saying 'Cast-off' etc... Let's look at the reality. When he signed for City, most of the Premier League clubs (including Everton) were 'after' him.

He doesn't play that regularly for City, because he's not quite as good as Vincent Kompany and John Stones. – Well, that could be said of 90% of the defenders in the world!!

Kim Vivian
47 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:34:40
Fuck me – What are people like on here? What's not to like? Get him in.

He's big, strong, solid and miles ahead of Martina. Just don't expect him to be bombing up the wing and launching pinpoint accurate crosses in.

Put him left centre defence with Garbutt as wing back, Seamus on the right with Holgate inside and that could be a decent back line once they all get to know each other.

That leaves Kenny, Jagielka, Funes Mori and Keane as back up. I'd like to see Baines given a left side holding role alongside Guye, Keep Sigurdsson central flanked by Walcott and Davies with one of Tosun< Calvert-Lewin or Niasse up front.

Si Pulford
48 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:34:42
Nailed it, Robin.
Mike Keating
49 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:40:08
Geoff @23 Or an old Dustbin.

A bit of a thug in my view and, according to Man City fans I know, a waste of space (and a shedload of money).

Where's the left back, Walsh?

Sam Hoare
50 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:41:19
Would people prefer Daley Blind who sounds like he might also be available? Very different player who can also play left-back or centre-back. Much more of a ball player and intelligent defender rather than a physical presence.

I imagine Mangala is far more up Allardyce's alley.

Barry Metcalfe
51 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:43:37
I have advocated buying two big strong fast athletic defenders. At least it looks like we are at least getting one.

Sam is no fool – he knows our defenders are not fit for purpose but he is unable to do everything at once. He is trying to plug the gaps everywhere in an unbalanced squad.

Let's hope Mangala has the game skills to go with his physical assets.

Shane Corcoran
52 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:44:20
Fine if it's on loan.

If we sign this guy and then bring in a manager that might want to play a bit of ball, Mangala might well be discarded.

Len Hawkins
53 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:44:36
He's a Donkey? He has a Mare! Surely the excitement on the pitch will increase from the norm if it is only watching equines screwing.

By the way, it is reported the Fat Waiter at Barcodes wants him too.

Brian Williams
54 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:44:38
At least Sam has given us the "heads up" so none of us have to wait expectantly watching the lovely Jim White 'til 11pm.
Jim Lloyd
55 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:46:58
Our transfers in over the last two windows has left us in a mess but so far, and if we get this lad in on loan, then it looks to me that Sam Alladyce, in the few weeks of this window, has brought in two good forwards and a left-sided defender.

Seems a pretty good attempt to begin the work of improving the team in the areas we definitely need to.

I think that there are a number on here whose detestation of Allardyce is so strong that they are in danger of clouding their judgement because of it. He's brought players in, during a notorious transfer window, who will give some impetus to our attack, which should lessen the deluge of attacks against our defence that's been happening all season.

If he gets this lad from Man City, then it means we have at least some options on both the left flank and the right. With Seamus preparing to get match fit over the next few weeks and Ramiro back in training, then we have also another player that can do the left full-back or left sided centre-half.

It's an awful set back for James, and a blow to us but I think it's about rescuing a season for us, and the worst thing this club could do now is panic buy to add to the already burgeoning number of players that we are stuck with and will find extremely hard to shift.

As for tonight, Leicester are looking good but the news that Mahrez and their Captain are likely to be missing, is welcome.

Each unto their own and all that but there appears to be a number who will give Allardyce (and the club for that matter) no credit at all; but would rather find fault no matter what.

Sandra Bowen
56 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:50:30
Sam, I'd take Blind in addition to Mangala. A real solid player who would be an excellent addition wherever you play him. He could easily slot into left-back until Baines finds fitness and form or we find a long-term replacement.

He's also an upgrade on everything we've got in centre mid too. I've wanted him as Barry's successor for a long time. No-brainer, especially if he's available on loan.

Rob Halligan
57 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:52:09
I remember another Man City "cast off" defender we signed back in 1986, who was about 33 years old at the time. Funnily enough,he went on to win the Football League with us.

I'm not saying we are going to win the premier league because we might sign Mangala, far from it, but FFS give the lad a chance before you start ripping him to bits.

Sam Hoare
58 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:53:49
Sandra, I think I'd just about agree. I'm not as big a Daley fan as you are from the sounds of it but I do think he'd add to what we have and his distribution at the back is much better than anyone we have (including Mangala if he comes).
Jim Lloyd
59 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:58:04
I think it's likely that if Blind was available, then the club would have checked him out, he might not be available though.
Sandra Bowen
60 Posted 31/01/2018 at 09:58:23
Sam, I'd obviously prefer a faster, more direct player than Blind but for this season, he'd be perfect to cover two of our weakest areas.
Sam Hoare
62 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:07:02
Jim @60, apparently he is available as Roma were in discussions about him but ended up getting Silva from Sporting.
Derek Knox
63 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:08:21
Rob @ 58, nailed it there mate, that brings back happy memories, £60k if memory serves, and as you quite rightly indicated, a great signing for us.

He was very rarely injured, gave 100% in every game; yes a very good acquisition, when most had written him off.

I always believe in most sports, the old adage is 'horses for courses' – this applies to players and managers alike, one side's flop, or surplus to requirements, can be a brick with another Club.

Of course there are always exceptions, and can be... what rhymes with brick? Let's hope this guy is not in that category.

Iain Love
64 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:09:13
Some very negative stuff on here about a young, strong, fast. left-footed central defender on loan, who's better than what we have at present.

City like to play out from the back which doesn't really suit Mangala – he appears to be more a stopper which is exactly what we need at the moment. You never know – he might bring the best out of Keane.

After West Brom, where Williams was dominated by Rondon of all people, and Holgate couldn't pass to a team mate when he had time and space, anything's better.

A loan – it's a no-brainer.

Chris James
65 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:09:33
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I know football fans have a right to demand and there's likely always a little hyperbole, but for once couldn't we just back off and give things a chance rather than down the neck of players, manager, and board???

Mangala is a £30-40M defender who was prized at Porto and then initially fared okay at Man City till he lost his way. He wasn't the first to do that and many good players have disappeared (including some of our own).

In that we don't have left-footed defenders, and a player who has been part of a team that have played at a higher level and won things is available, I don't see this as ridiculous option for a loan.

We have also re-registered Garbutt as a left-back option and are presumably still looking at options. However, you really can't have it both ways...

'Just get in a left-sided defender!' and 'Not this £40M player who was in a Championship side is not good enough' seem to be slightly contradictory opinions.

James Marshall
66 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:09:50
Is he genuinely any good? Well Man City signed him so he must be half decent. Even if they're selling him that's probably only really an indictment of the riches they have rather than him being rubbish.

Personally I've never really paid him much attention so can't form a genuinely reasonable opinion.

I do wonder how many other people on here have really paid that much attention to certain players when they're all of a sudden mooted as becoming an Everton player. Are you all scouts? Maybe you don't have jobs and spend all day watching videos of footballers. I don't have time, so a player like Mangala has entirely passed me by – maybe I just don't watch enough football anymore.

Jon Withey
67 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:11:41
A good time to make a couple of loans like this to see us to the end of the season – can always follow them up with purchases if it works out.

Can review everything else in the summer.

Glad to see Klaassen, Ramirez, Mirallas and Besic put to use too as we weren't going to play them.

I hope Lookman and Vlasic get more game time too.

Steve Brown
68 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:15:36
His confidence is shot so he should fit in well.
John Graham
69 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:23:05
Great news if we get him. He's a top class defender, very strong and quick which is just what we need.Hopefully with Seamus coming back and with Holgate next to Mangala the defence will become more solid allowing us to play with only one defensive midfielder and then allow us to be more attack-minded.

We still need a left-back but, with Funes Mori on his way back, I would keep Martina there for now.

Onwards and upwards. COYB

Jim Lloyd
70 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:32:41
Sam, so someone else looked at him and passed up the opportunity to buy/loan. I think that ourt club will have looked at as many players, especially left back, as anyone else as we're in need of one. But we don't know tickety boo about any of the details concerning any loan deal, whether a player is suitable, would he come and what are the terms.

I don't think the club are going to fanfare any of the dealings they are attempting (or passing by on) but I think the club will go for the best available player that fits in with their requirements.

Geoff Lambert
72 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:40:00
Mike #50

Sounds just what this bunch of girls need then.

James Marshall
73 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:42:17
Here's a stat for all you stat fans – Mangala is the 6th most expensive defender ever signed by anyone.

5 of the top 6 have been signed by Man City, with the top one being VVD at the RS.

Man City paid almost €54m for Mangala.

Given how many people seem to rate players based on their fees these days (and often on here), this would surely be right up there as a top signing for a club like ours.

Colin Malone
74 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:46:38
Big Sam is sticking by his philosophy, defence to forwards as quick as possible, a defensive midfield without guile, as he did at Palace and West Ham. The School of Science has gone.

Make sure you bring a peaked cap when the sun is out on match days...

John Boon
75 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:47:16
Can't afford to be picky in a dicey window, and he has a left foot. It would be great if he was the NEW Distin.
Ian Brandes
76 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:52:17
I can well remember the invective on here when Gareth Barry arrived here on loan.

If this lad arrives, give him a chance. He is big, strong, good in the air, and quick.

And he has a bit of a mean streak too, a quality that our team needs.

Geoff Lambert
77 Posted 31/01/2018 at 10:58:39
He is such a donkey that he has made 15 appearances for arguably the best team in Europe this season. Deputising for Stones or Kompany when injured.

Fast, Left footed,good in the air, strong in the tackle, and on loan deal till end of season.

What is there not to like about this deal if it comes off?

ps: A good link here: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-fixtures-derby-mangala-14023911

Jay Wood

78 Posted 31/01/2018 at 11:08:12
Here is a sobering titbit on City's spending power (and that they are happy to loan out Mangala):

After signing French defender Aymeric Laporte from Athletic Bilbao, Manchester City's 'annual defence spending' has exceeded the actual annual military defence budgets of 52 countries.

Liam Heffernan
79 Posted 31/01/2018 at 11:11:53
Just checked this guy's stats. Seem pretty okay, the one that stands out for me is his 92% pass accuracy. He also likes to make short crisp passes. Then I wonder how is that a fit for Sam Allardyce.
John Pickles
80 Posted 31/01/2018 at 11:28:03
As long as he's a better loan signing from City than Jo was.
Amit Vithlani
81 Posted 31/01/2018 at 11:45:31
I think this is a very shrewd move.

1. We will install Mangala as our new DoF.

2. Steve Walsh will then be freed up to act as the badly needed cover at left back.

Very shrewd boys, very shrewd.

PG Malcolm
82 Posted 31/01/2018 at 11:48:04
Nothing wrong with this loan signing if it happens. Can't understand why people would sniff at it, have some people seen what we have at the back
Brian Wilkinson
83 Posted 31/01/2018 at 11:59:16
Come on, what's up with some of you? If we get the guy on loan, he will be a vast improvement with what we have, he has a World Cup coming up to try and stake a claim, he cannot possibly be any worse than Martina and Williams.

It's a bonus, here until the Summer if he agrees, gives us another option, it cannot possibly be any worse than no one coming in.

Least we can do in return for Mahrez missing tonight's game thanks to Man City.

Paul Thompson
84 Posted 31/01/2018 at 12:02:49
Just what we need in the short term and maybe longer. Yes makes mistakes - any more than John Stones and Ashley Williams? Big, commanding presence and left footed to go in a defence desparately missing both.

The Distin comparison is a pertinent one. The Dignitas crew were out in force on that one too.

Frank Wade
85 Posted 31/01/2018 at 12:04:50
I admit I haven't seen much of Mangala this season, has started only 5 times in the league and subbed in another 4. I remember he was a big big disappointment to Man City when he was first in their side. My recollection was of a reckless centre half prone to errors and recall the Kung Fu kick on Eto'o at the Etihad.

Has he improved? Anyone see any glowing reports? He won't have been under much defensive pressure when deputising in the City side this season. Not much preparation for a stint in the overworked Everton defence.

Gavin Johnson
86 Posted 31/01/2018 at 12:23:45
I'll be happy if this one goes through. Strong big imposing defender and faster than Jags or Williams. Can play LB and we don't have to buy if it doesn't work out. What's not to like?!

Reminds me of the kind of signing we used to make under Moyes: A player who had a big reputation, who's career has gone slightly off track who now has something to prove.

Keith Harrison
87 Posted 31/01/2018 at 12:42:19
Great. Among our defensive options we'll have Mangler, Choker (Martina) and Bottler, (Schneiderlin). Sounds like a firm of Solicitors.

Only seen him in the flesh once when they beat us 1-0 at the Etihad. He almost broke our players back with a karate kick off our corner. Don't think he's improved since then.

Justin Doone
88 Posted 31/01/2018 at 12:52:22
A perfect Sam player.
Big, strong, bit of pace, second rate premier league player.

He'll cause mayhem in either box so I think we should have him as our main striker.

He can help defend the long balls punted up front by the other promising teams ie Burnley, Huddersfield, Watford & Utds (all of them).

He'll fit in very well.

Roy Steel
89 Posted 31/01/2018 at 13:01:10
He didn't make it at Man City, but plenty of others didn't either...

I'm prepared to give the guy a chance... let's face it, he's got to be better than that Keane bloke.

Mike Dixon
90 Posted 31/01/2018 at 13:24:39
Brian 87. Spot on. Absolutely nothing to lose. A season in Spain cannot have done him any harm. Played 30 games while there.

The negativity on here confounds me. Every player in our back four has been slated on here recently; now an option turns up and he's slated before kicking a ball.

Let me let you into a secret, Bobby Moore died some time ago, we ain't getting him nor Kevin Ratcliffe (retired), Franz Beckanbaeur (retired), Norman Hunter

Ian Cowhig
91 Posted 31/01/2018 at 13:29:35
Watched him play for Valencia a few times, and he was very good. Was excellent in one particular game against Madrid or Barca. Not sure which. In retrospect watched him as part of a City defence that got mauled by the others.

So as with everything sometimes good players can appear to be rubbish when a partnership doesn't work. CBs that don't work as a duo. Tend to struggle

Jim Burns
92 Posted 31/01/2018 at 13:30:07
Good shout Robin @44.

From 'we must be desperate to sign him; he's only good enough to lift luggage from a roof rack; he's so error prone its untrue' to – 'he's immediately better than any defender we currently have; he's big, strong and quick as well as left footed;' not that straight forward this scouting lark is it?

To those taking the piss – name one of our Centre Halves who are currently a) better b) younger c) left sided d) fit.

If City did take a punt on him initially – and he turned out not to be as good as they wanted - does that make them a joke too?

I'll take any glimmer of hope at the moment – pending the real plan unfolding in the summer.

Dave Evans
93 Posted 31/01/2018 at 13:32:48
And your suggested options for defenders to buy now Justin?
Brian Williams
94 Posted 31/01/2018 at 13:43:55
I see Napoli are having second thoughts over loaning Klaassen as they initially overlooked the fact that he's already played in the Europa league for us so would be ineligible to play for them.

So come on the beauts on here get in early and blame Everton, Steve Walsh, Kenwright etc etc.

Alex Mullan
95 Posted 31/01/2018 at 13:48:05
Napoli's scouting team must be as bad as ours at research. I mean come on, the only time he's really played for us has been in Europe!!
Winston Williamson
96 Posted 31/01/2018 at 13:50:08
Keith (91) speaking of solicitor names - encountered this one in my work this week - Fidler & Pepper!

Incidentally, we may be debating a non-existent loan here. Everton are confident of securing this loan, yet how many on here have confidence in Everton's confidence, this close to the deadline??

William Cartwright
97 Posted 31/01/2018 at 14:06:31
Ian @ 76,

"Has a bit of a nasty streak"

What the fuck are you talking about! He's an absolute beast and is just what our team of pansy-arsed flouncers could do with to get them playing. This is seriously good business in my view.

Mike Dolan
100 Posted 31/01/2018 at 14:43:38
Some of the comments here just bigger belief. We get a 27 year old colossus of a left footed no nonsense center back for basically his wages and with an option of returning him if he doesn't impress. We cover a position that has been a massive problem for us for years by putting a rock in there. Yet we moan about his inability to be a graceful elegant Beckenbaur type.

Maybe I'm missing something but personally I like at least one of our back four to be a malicious hard man thug type like that bastard Norman Hunter who the opposition look to avoid when entering our half. This could be a really significant signing I'll be totally overjoyed to see a little spine and steel in a blue shirt for a change. Goodbye Jags. Goodbye Williams.

Peter Cummings
101 Posted 31/01/2018 at 14:45:32
At the time of writing this (9:30 am) Canadian time no deal has been arranged, but I agree with Mike #50, that the guy is a thug and his discipline record is suspect.

While some describe him as 'strong' in the tackle. and having seen him play many times on the box,often in slo-mo, my opinion is he is a yellow or red risk in every game, more so than Williams, so again, in my opinion, leave well alone, Just Saying.

Steve Ferns
102 Posted 31/01/2018 at 14:50:01
Mike, you're right, although I would not describe Mangala as a "rock". He's anything but. He is error prone, he seems to lack concentration. He is terrible in possession. But yes, he is big, he is strong, he is good in the air, he's reasonably quick, he loves a tackle (but picks up too many fouls). Then again he's slow to turn, and does not read the game well.

Rather than goodbye Jags and Williams, it's good bye Keane and Holgate. Allardyce will play the other two for their ability to read the situation and marshal Mangala through the game. There's no way Allardyce would team up an error prone player like Mangala with an out of form Keane or an inexperienced kid like Holgate. I would expect Holgate to nudge Kenny out of the team until Coleman's return.

Paul Kossoff
103 Posted 31/01/2018 at 14:58:34
This one is as big a carthorse as Williams! Unbelievable that a defender as poor as this commands huge transfer fees. It's all about the agents now, what super agent has who signed up, not how good the player is! We have signed enough crap the season, now here comes some more!

Wasn't this the thug who Kung Fu kicked, (can't remember who) One of our players?

Peter Gorman
104 Posted 31/01/2018 at 15:05:24
Nowt wrong with a loan and I'd be amazed if he is any more of a donkey than Williams or Keane.

A few caps for France suggests a bit of pedigree but then again, even Schneiderlin somehow picked up a few.

If Mangala is such a brute I hope he starts early and goes in on half of our players.

James Stewart
105 Posted 31/01/2018 at 15:11:11
@ Yep, he kicked eto
Jay Harris
106 Posted 31/01/2018 at 15:26:05
I don't usually like negativity towards players but if this is the best our DOF can do after having over 12 months to find a quality LB no wonder our club are in trouble.

The only thing this lad has going for him is his heading ability.

The Premier League is far too quick and physical for him.

He is ponderous in the turn and is a mistake waiting to happen.

For all those criticizing Martina this is the 6'-3" version.

As reported elsewhere Blind is out of contract in the summer and apparently available but it seems we only get the duds from Man Utd.

Peter Gorman
107 Posted 31/01/2018 at 15:27:38
I'd take Blind all day. Versatile and intelligent.
Len Hawkins
108 Posted 31/01/2018 at 15:28:36
John #76 Thanks for confirming he has a left foot so long as his right one is not a prosthetic one he may be a well balanced player.
Paul Birmingham
109 Posted 31/01/2018 at 15:33:45
I'd take him as it's a loan deal. From what I've seen of him, and that's only on the box, not the most inspiring and cleverest in terms of anticipation and reading the game but brute strength. But may be the Sams will give this lad a new beginning and he could turn into a decent player for EFC.

As is stands I've no expectations tonight in terms of transfers, but Leicester will still nudge this match on current form even without Mahrez. Hopefully a nice surprise tonight on both Xperia and the match.

Kristian Boyce
110 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:02:00
The City fan I spoke to about him said there was a reason why him and Stones never play together was they always needed someone to mop up their mistakes. He's a good player, but sometimes is similar to Stones.

It's surprising that we are bringing in a left sided center back now, with Funes Mori back in training. If Mangala comes in and plays left back, I think that TW will have a breakdown.

John Boon
111 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:16:46
Reviewing all that might happen. I would much prefer a Man City castoff, Mangala, than a ManU castoff, Blind. We have been much more successful with ex Man City players, such as Barry and Distin. The reason is that they have much better players to get rid of.

We shouldn't trust ANY player that Mourino doesn't want. Also when did we decide that we are in a position to be too choosy? I wish we were but we just aren't.

Anthony A Hughes
112 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:22:44
Talksport reporting that Mangala may be possibly going to Leicester as part of a cash plus player deal.
Anthony A Hughes
113 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:24:36
For Mahrez
Ben Howard
114 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:27:33
I actually think Mangala could be a great signing. Ill-equipped to play Man City under Pep's style he may well be, but put him into a drilled defence with little space behind him and less expectancy to bring the ball out from the back, and we could have a brilliant no-nonsense, left-footed defender on the cheap.

A loan with an option to buy is the perfect low-risk option anyway.

The last left-footed central defender we took from them worked out just fine! Welcome to the best club in the world!

Brian Williams
115 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:28:14
Anthony#118 Ah well that'll please all those, should it transpire, on here who think he's anything between a donkey and a pile of shite, surely?
Anthony A Hughes
116 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:31:44
Mangala certainly fits the bill for the big commanding centre half which we require. Ok, he mightn't be the most cultured footballer but we aren't going to play pretty football under the present regime so he fits in nicely with the current MO of the team.
Andrew Ellams
117 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:39:41
Paul Kossoff, 109. Yes he is. Was it Mirallas? Not Andre Marriner's greatest evening that. He probably should have sent Mangala and Fernando off and bottled it both times.
Mike Dolan
118 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:45:12
From what I have seen and read this is a good player who was just not suited to the City style of playing. His mistakes seem to be mostly from his distribution and have been amplified because City play with a very high back line and really need ball playing defenders,

Everton are some ways away from having £250M worth of center backs who can play the ball safely out of the box and pass it to another blue shirt in front of them. We have problems actually passing the ball forward anywhere on the pitch. So for us a CH defender who can put in a biting tackle and hoof the ball out of the danger zone is almost exactly what we need at this moment. Who the foot cares if he makes Ashley Williams look like Tom Finney.

Robin Cannon
119 Posted 31/01/2018 at 16:58:10
For all the talk on this, I've seen almost nothing on most of the media feeds about potential / completed transfers. So not getting my hopes up at all.
David Israel
122 Posted 31/01/2018 at 17:50:39
I remember a time when big, commanding. centre-halves, were dubbed 'a tower of strength'. You know, people like Jack Charlton, the unspeakable Ron Yeats, Mike England, and yes, even our own Roger Kenyon (Brian Labone was a class above all these). Mangala fits the bill, in this respect.
Jackie Barry
123 Posted 31/01/2018 at 17:53:25
Is he any good? Better than what we have, yes or no?
David Pearl
124 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:01:24
I’ll take Sams first 3 signings over anyone Koeman got in the summer. (Although I’d of preferred Slimani) Let’s hope he gets match fit and raring to Go. For now I’d move Holgate over to right back and play whoever is fresh from Williams pand Jags till Seamus is properly fit. Once it’s confirned that is...
Christy Ring
125 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:06:29
He played for City a few ago against West Ham, absolutely shocking, I believe that's why City bought a new Centre Back. Danny Blind would have been a better option, and can play left back.
Andrew Ellams
126 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:09:22
I suspect that this could mean a move to 3 at the back but not sure who would play on the left of a midfield four.
David Israel
127 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:11:09
Jackie #129. In my book, definitely yes.
David McMullen
128 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:12:16
Tony (126) Speechless it would seem. Can't be that bad surely?!
David Israel
129 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:15:24
John #116, I can give you a pretty awesome list of players Mourinho did not want, such as Kevin de Bruyne, Arjen Robben and, yes, originally, Romelu Lukaku and Juan Mata.
Brian Cleveland
130 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:17:58
As one of the reported "moaners" on this one, I can only say that every time I have seen him play he has made howlers that have resulted in goals or distinct opportunities of a goal... and not having played, what is his confidence going to be like, although I'm sure the current climate will be able to take it down another peg or two once he gets nervous playing alongside our currently dodgy defence.

The moment he comes, I will NOT be shouting "you're shite", I'll be 100% behind him... but I think we'll be looking at a few more heart in mouth moments.

Thinking about it, possibly similar to those Sakho used to give to the other lot!

Carlos Nunes
131 Posted 31/01/2018 at 18:35:00
This is a great pick-up. His style didn't suit City but he will be a great addition for us.
David Israel
132 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:24:37
Brian #131, have you been reported for moaning?
John Boon
133 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:37:04
David (130) I have to agree with you. The ones you mentioned were all Chelsea players. In a way it shows that perhaps Mourinho wasn't as astute at recognising the ability of players as many might think.

Chelsea did have an excess of very good players at the time. However I am probably biased in that I don't like Mourinho or Man U and I don't like taking anybody off them.

Tony Byrne
134 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:44:39
Lookman to Leipzig on loan? Hopefully this lad will come back with a few competitive games under his belt... and Allardyce will be gone.
Jack Convery
135 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:49:48
What this tells me is the FS will defo go in the summer. No permanent deal for a lefy back or left footed centre half. If FS can't tell a good centre half from a donkey he really has lost the plot, though I doubt he's even involved in this guy coming. Feels like a Walsh idea. If he comes good luck to him. Anyone coming to EFC needs a lot of luck these days ! Best wishes to Sandro hope he recovers his confidence and form and comes back and takes the EPL by storm. Poetry that !
Geoff Evans
136 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:50:40
Loan, can't really lose, give the guy a chance.

Can't be a lot worse than some we've got.

Jack Convery
137 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:57:02
What this tells me is the FS will defo go in the summer. No permanent deal for a lefy back or left footed centre half. If FS can't tell a good centre half from a donkey he really has lost the plot, though I doubt he's even involved in this guy coming. Feels like a Walsh idea. If he comes good luck to him. Anyone coming to EFC needs a lot of luck these days ! Best wishes to Sandro hope he recovers his confidence and form and comes back and takes the EPL by storm. Poetry that !

FFS just read Lookman has gone out on loan. The School of Science is officially dead and buried. Disgusting.

Jason Broome
138 Posted 31/01/2018 at 19:58:38
I think Mangala is going to surprise a few and do really well here.

Manchester City bought Mangala because of his speed and imposing physicality. They tried to play him like Stones which doesn't suit his style.

We have been crying out for a defender who has speed and an imposing physical presence (Like Lescott, Distin or Yobo). If Mangala finds his Porto form we might just end up with a bargain.

Chris Clark
139 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:50:44
Easy choice Mangala or Williams??
Colin Glassar
140 Posted 31/01/2018 at 21:54:06
Welcome aboard Mangala. I think I’ll call you Eli.
James Flynn
141 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:39:52
Mourinho is a perfectly fine judge of talent. Ready to go top talent.

Porto excepted, he's always been hired by big clubs to win right now.

The young players mentioned weren't ready yet, so sold. By clubs having the financial acumen to sign top talent.

Colin Glassar
142 Posted 31/01/2018 at 23:58:19
Eli will wear the #13 shirt which was also worn by Steve Simonsen and Paul Gerrard. God, I hope he’s better than those two.
Paul Smith
143 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:09:14
No news on Mangala. In other news Besic has gone to Boro.
Colin Glassar
144 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:29:09
It will be announced tomorrow, Paul. The photographer got bored waiting and went home. Bill got his old Polaroid out but can't find any film.
Paul Smith
145 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:33:38
Polaroids are all the rage these days Col, retro, abit like our Bill.
Colin Glassar
146 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:38:31
Well I have heard that Chairman Bill still cycles to work on his Chopper with playing cards in his spokes and all.
Dave Abrahams
147 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:41:40
This transfer hasn't been put on Everton's website, although Besic to Middlesboro, Lookman to the German team and Gray (a goalkeeper) to Carlisle have been, where has it been announced?
Gordon Crawford
148 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:45:19
Mangala deal is down to paper work and the Premier League passing it.
Rob Halligan
149 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:47:30
Mangala signed.
Vijay Nair
150 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:48:53
Christy (126),

"Danny Blind would have been a better option, and can play left back."

Perhaps it's Daley Blind you refer to? Danny Blind is a little old now :)

Gordon Crawford
151 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:55:28
It was never in doubt 😉
Colin Glassar
152 Posted 01/02/2018 at 00:55:34
Confirmed now Dave. Now we can all go to bed.
Jamie Sweet
153 Posted 01/02/2018 at 01:10:47
Just seen him wearing the shirt (official EFC twitter account).

Welcome Mr Mangala!

Jamie Sweet
154 Posted 01/02/2018 at 01:14:57
* The release does say "subject to Premier League clearance"... but surely we wouldn't release pictures of him in the shirt if that wasn't a formality. .

Would we?

Would we?


Barry Williams
155 Posted 01/02/2018 at 01:20:37
John Pierce
156 Posted 01/02/2018 at 02:23:53
You see the attraction for Sam, monster physical centre half who is quick, but often has to use that speed because he is impetuous and error prone.

Identi-kit Sam player with the emphasis on physical traits.

He has the potential to be a dominant centre half in the air.

But the move is late and is opportunistic, Laporte’s transfer surely triggering his availability? So not planned, that worries me.

It will encourage us to player higher up the pitch so if paired with Keane or Holgate could have a positive knock on affect.

But if I see this lad play left back Saturday .

Ernie Baywood
157 Posted 01/02/2018 at 04:41:59
So we move our expensive overseas flops and young prospects out on loan rather than persevering with them...

...then bring in other teams' expensive overseas flops.

Baffled. Especially with Sam's comments on Klaasen and Lookman.

Davie Turner
158 Posted 01/02/2018 at 05:59:58
Hope City was just the wrong move for him and he regains some confidence and regains the potential he showed at Porto.
Duncan McDine
159 Posted 01/02/2018 at 07:17:16
My eyes played tricks on me this morning... in a bit of a blur after a few post-win drinks last night.

For a split second I read that we'd signed Mandela! TBH if Koeman was still in charge I would have believed it!

Sam Hoare
160 Posted 01/02/2018 at 07:30:35
Welcome Eliaquim!

I really like this move. He’s left footed, at a great age for a CB and filled with desire to prove City wrong.

A lot of his mistakes derived from City’s desire/insistence on defenders playing the ball out which is definitely not Mangalas strength. So long as he can hoof it I think he’ll do alright.

Will be interesting to see who he’s paired with. Possibly Jagielka to help talk him through his settling in? Or Williams? Keane doesn’t seem much of an organiser. I believe that Holgate is actually very communicative but doubt Sam would want to put the youngster with the newbie.

His wages aren’t astronomical so there’s very little we can lose from this deal and I reckon there’s a decent chance he might become our best defender.

Drew O'Neall
162 Posted 01/02/2018 at 07:49:06
What a terrible player
Tom Bowers
163 Posted 01/02/2018 at 08:59:31
Does it really matter ? It's only a loan and can he really be any worse than what we have seen this season.

Okay we had a win yesterday but the defence, particularly early on was still panic struck.

For the remaining 13 games at least he can give some extra height back and front but they won't sign him come the end of the season because if he plays well then City will take him back due to Kompany's injury problems.

Paul Smith
164 Posted 01/02/2018 at 09:05:54
Unfortunate to have 'quim' in his name, lets hope he's no fanny on the pitch...welcome Mandela stay of the sauce Duncan ;-)
Derek Knox
165 Posted 01/02/2018 at 09:08:49
I fail to see the disadvantage what some are saying, this is a good acquisition in a much needed position where we have rarely fielded a settled combination.

If, it doesn't work out, for whatever reason, we do not need to pursue the matter when the loan ends. I have a feeling that this guy may prove a hit, I remember when he initially went to City, and most Clubs were envious of his acquisition.

At £15M to make it permanent, also makes it a very attractive proposition, we paid double that for Michael Keane.

I welcome him as I am sure others will too, and look forward to seeing him in a blue shirt come Saturday.

Bill Gienapp
166 Posted 01/02/2018 at 09:45:16
I'm with Sam and Derek - this is a very intriguing deal. At worst, it's low risk/high reward, as loan moves typically are. It's going to be interesting to see how the centre-back pecking order takes shape, particularly once Funes Mori comes back.
James Marshall
167 Posted 01/02/2018 at 09:53:17
I like Mangala in principal - the deal itself is a win/win and from a number of games I've seen this season, we're pretty weedy and weak as a team. Mangala is a big old unit from what I can tell, and likes the physical side of the game. Something we lack, non?

He was an able deputy for Kompany/Stones at City and they paid top dollar for him when he very well sought after all around Europe - yet people are complaining about him being signed on loan?

I do wonder who would actually placate people on here - moaning about Walcott, moaning about Mangala, complaining about Tosun - what do you want, Franz Beckenbauer and Maradona??

Erik Dols
168 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:08:52
James Marshall - Maradona doesn't track back. Poor man's Linderoth. No please. Can he even play at left back?? Also not sure about his position on the Falkland Islands.

(sorry if I insult anyone with that last remark, I admit I have no idea how sensitive you are about the Falklands)

Kevin Moorcroft
169 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:10:32
Please give this guy a chance before kicking him in the balls.

You never know – they didn't pay £42 million for him for nothing... or are there scouts and football directors worse than ours?

Ray Robinson
170 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:16:45
Can someone please explain to me how the OS and BBC are still reporting that Besic is "set to sign" for Middlesbrough. Am I missing something about the transfer window?
Tony Everan
171 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:17:49
I am pleased we have signed him; it is a great deal.

As some have said, Man City's style of football did not suit his game. He will enjoy playing our semi-direct style a lot more. Horses for courses. If he slots in and strengthens our defence, we have an absolute bargain.

A tough game to start off against Arsenal away. Will big Sam go for 5 at the back?

Coleman Keane Jagielka Mangala Martina.

Dave Cook
172 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:19:11
@Ray Knowing our luck, the higher ups probably don't realise the loan rules changed last year either, before you could still sign 3 month loans after the window.
John C
173 Posted 01/02/2018 at 10:25:29
Long-time reader but first-time poster, I know it's a tough time but please be nice!!

I admit when I first heard of this link yesterday morning, it filled me with dread. But, after reading comments on here, I think he could be a good signing.

It's all well and good talking about his time at Man City but he will be playing with different tactics here. He is not a ball-playing defender and he won't be playing that here. I think there is a good, solid centre-back in there which could only benefit us. He's at a good age and if things work out, then £15M to sign in the summer is good value in today's market.

I think he automatically will be our best centre-back and would think Allardyce will play him with Jagielka or Williams until the end of the season. If it works out and Keane is given a chance, I think potentially we have a good, solid centre-back pairing for a few years to come.

David Israel
174 Posted 01/02/2018 at 11:14:09
Colin #143, the great Eusebio wore the number 13 shirt for Portugal, if memory serves me right, scoring six goals in two games at Goodison Park, at the 1966 World Cup. I watched the North Korea game, in which he banged four. Perhaps that is a better omen.
Jamie Evans
175 Posted 01/02/2018 at 13:22:24
Welcome Quim and good luck.

Up the toffees.

Steven Jones
176 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:06:52
Mangala is 26 could be the right age to mature and be consistent this could be excellent - has has won titles and plays for France national team and was a big money buy for City 3 years ago .

So worth a punt and I hope he is a raging success - good work by the club again!

We have had a very good window!! 7th here we come!!

Fran Mitchell
177 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:19:30
Could be a good signing. He has all the attributes for a top class centre half and the price is good, as is his age.

I would play him and Holgate, with Keane challenging. See if any partnership looks possible.

The season is basically pointless, so everything needs to be about prepping for next season. Williams and Jags only in emergencies.

Davies and Gueye in the middle, Vlasic given opportunities off the bench, and Calvert-Lewin or Tosun as attack. Niasse is at best a 'super-sub', and has no long term future.

Steve Ferns
178 Posted 01/02/2018 at 14:26:44
Fran, he does indeed have all the physical attributes, well except blinding pace. He's big, strong, good in the air, get's stuck in (a bit too much!). Passing is terrible and he can't trap a bag of cement. His reading of the game is not the best. He's prone to lapses of concentration, and as a result often makes a mistake or two.

Now with his issues mentally, Do you really expect Allardyce to pick him with Keane? My guess is that it will be Jags / Willams and Keane / Mangala. Meaning Holgate is unlikely to play, other than to pop up at right back if Seamus is feeling it.

James Marshall
179 Posted 01/02/2018 at 15:56:24
The season is pointless? We're only 4 points off 7th which is likely to mean Europa League. Love it or loathe it, a club like ours needs European football for a number of reasons.

We need the exposure as a club, and we need the experience as a team if we're looking to play Champions League football. Yes it could be to the detriment of our league season, but if we want to be a top club we need to act like one and deal with it – like the top clubs do.

We have plenty to play for this season in my view.

John Clowes
180 Posted 01/02/2018 at 17:13:05
I get what you mean, James Marshall, about the exposure but let's be honest, we aren't in a position now to juggle the Premier League and a European competition together.

It hates me to say it but I think that we need to get enough points on the board to be safe of relegation and then plan for next season, to rotate players and see who will be up for it next season.

I know Moshiri had this "3 year plan" but it's not as easy as that. I do think we are a few players short of being a really good team.

Barry Jones
181 Posted 01/02/2018 at 17:45:31
Everyone is assuming we will play a back four. I suspect that Sam brought him in with the notion of going with three at the back. This would make sense with Seamus fit again as it liberates him going forward, where he is at his most dangerous.

If Baines was fit and playing like his old self, we would be pressing teams higher up the field better, and not to mention being tighter at the back. This is what Sam wants.

John Clowes
182 Posted 01/02/2018 at 18:50:44
So if you're thinking 3 centre backs and playing wingbacks, what about the rest of the team? Tosun and Walcott up top with 3 centre mids (Sigurdsson, Gueye and Davies) with wing backs covering the width?
John Davies
183 Posted 01/02/2018 at 21:46:12
Drew (#163). He's better than any other central defender on our books mate.
Bob Parrington
184 Posted 02/02/2018 at 06:43:16
6'-3" tall... tick! Is he good with his head defensively? If he is – tick!

Our major weakness is from crosses and, if he can do both of the above, it will be a plus for us. We look shocking in this aspect and have done so for yeeeeears!

James Marshall
185 Posted 02/02/2018 at 10:11:37
Interesting to read a lot of Twitter comments about Mangala from City fans. It was said on here on Wednesday they don't rate him, but actually that appears to not be the case at all.

He's very well rated and highly regarded, just not a pure ball-playing centre half in the Guardiola mould.

I don't have a solid opinion on him since I haven't watched enough of him to form one, but City fans who watched him say he's a good player. He looks like a big old unit as well, which bodes well for our paper-thin defence.

Barry Jones
186 Posted 02/02/2018 at 16:23:53
John (#183). Yes, possibly that shape. It depends how many he wants up top and how many mids he wants to play holding. Tosun and Walcott (maybe just a bit deeper) would make sense. Then Sigurdsson, Gueye and Mister X depending on the creative/ defensive balance that Sam wants to use.

Personally, I would think that it would be better to have X as an attacking player who add something going forward, but also energetic enough to press higher up the field.

Barry Jones
187 Posted 02/02/2018 at 16:41:52
Sam said he wanted something similar to the Coleman - Walcott link up on the left. So maybe a 3-1-5-1 type of format with the wing-backs in the 5. Maybe Bolasie could be the X on the left in tandem with a fit Baines.
Barry Jones
188 Posted 03/02/2018 at 17:28:36
Looks like I got it right. (Arsenal selection) with a back three and Bolasie on the left.

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