Allardyce knows his future depends on results

I think you said that after Arsenal, Samuel, mate!

I just hope he doesn't totally destroy this club while he fiddles and postures, pretending to be a competent manager.

"With my managerial experience and talent, I am more suited to managing Real Madrid or Manchester United. I would win them the League Title and Champions League every year."

Now just imagine the reaction when he tells the fans at Real or Old Trafford that they need to become, and I quote, "more boring"? The man is a charlatan and a pretender. The sooner he is replaced the better. He has earned more money in his career as a poor manager than most people on here earn in a lifetime.

As far as I am concerned, he has no place at Goodison Park, and is slowly destroying the image of this club. Imagine if we gave him £200 million in June? He would buy a load of has-beens, cos no decent player would be attracted to playing under his style of football. Get Rid. And soon...

If our club don't win today, Mr Motor Mouth, you will be feeling the ire in a big way from the "15 fans" you think are behind the criticism of your flawed and prehistoric style of management. Get your ear plugs on standby.

I hope we win tomorrow but, if we don't, I hope 38,000 boo the arrogant fat twat out of Goodison!

I was giving him time but fuck him! He hasn't got a clue!

He better start winning soon or the "volatility" will soon spread.

This is yet another deflection from the master of pinning the blame.

The players have been recipients of the blame apportionment and, when pointed out that many supporters are criticising his tactics and selections, this reads like "well they are all volatile nutters".

The descent down a slippery slope has well and truly begun...

Slightly off topic, but related to this thread, I was reading on Newsnow Everton, that Walsh is also being questioned by Moshiri, over £249M expenditure with little or no apparent success.

The article also states that Moshiri's choice of replacement would be Marcel Brands.

In truth, you need a thick hide to be in those jobs nowadays.

But yes, you do need to win matches, Sam, and not lose them 5-1 too. And if you can't get the players to play for you, then you are also in trouble – whether it is their fault or not – and that would be the same at Real Madrid.

We know he is non-plussed about the fans because he has Moshiri in his pocket and a contingent of players that are cheaters like himself.

He does read ToffeeWeb then 😁

If he serves up the same shite he has been doing since he got here and we don't win today, those "15 people" are going to sound an awful lot like 35,000 when the whistle blows.

Then he'll be desperately looking for those 15 people who continue to apologise for him.

He is not the master at pinning the blame. He tries to pin the blame and just makes himself look more culpable and ingenuine in the process. There is something afoot behind the scenes I believe, and Allardyce with his spontaneous and inconsistent moaning, is simply trying to 'get ahead' of the mounting criticism he is facing. He is right about one thing though, if he loses the players then he will almost certainly lose his position too.

It was strange to see the team shift away from Martinez then wholeheartedly play for Unsy in the last match of the season. Then it was less strange the see the team shift away from Koeman in a repeat of the removal of a manager.

Third time around, would be even more of a reinforcement of playing power, if we were witnessing the second repeat. Is this what is happening? It might be. If the players are angling for his removal after getting us into a semi-safe position then would their action be in the best interests of the Club? Conspiracy theory nonsense perhaps, but if it becomes the only way of getting rid of him then it would get my support.

Perhaps this is what Leighton was referring to two years ago but was not in a position to express it more clearly. As it was he was dressed down by Martinez for his remarks in a naughty schoolboy fashion. Also within a squad there will be cliques and joint interests, so a rebellion may not be a clear cut action.

However, when all is said and done, we are rudderless at present and the person responsible for that is, quite simply Allardyce himself. If he was capable of earning the respect of the team and squad, then he would have done do so. Possibly Unsy was in the process of achieving it when Allardyce joined? Who can tell.

I just wish we could gain gain some joy and self-respect on the pitch and at boardroom level decision making. The only good behaviour displayed by the club for a long time now has been the EitC set-up which one could describe as being in our DNA. What about the other similar DNA type characteristics such as the school of science, and passion on the pitch?

Roll on next season, but if Allardyce is still with us, then I for one won't be. I was up to a few weeks ago supporting the patient wait and see option but the Arsenal team sheet, the Schneiderlin fiasco and the crudeness of Allardyce's post-match conference together with his treatment of Lookman have done it for me.

So, If you think he is a master of blame gaming, think again. He is simply living up to his reputation and the sooner he leaves the better.

No way will Marcel Brands end at Goodison. One look at the team playing and he will know the risk to his career. Never under Allardyce.

This is the problem we have now in the market place. The only Manager we will get is someone bought in for a quick kill or someone who has nothing to lose, and will certainly not be up to the job, like Silva or similar that have stringed some wins together.

The other problem is the squad we have. If you are a good professional footballer, you know that you are only as good as the players around you. Everton have a high contingent of has-beens and cheats who are well known in the game.

The final problem we have is Moshiri who, as far has Football is concerned, has more money than sense. We need Unsworth back to get some reality in place and return to fundamentals and we all need to get the fantasy football out of our heads.

There is no quick fix for the Everton project. The immediate danger and urgent concern is the minutes that Allardyce has a parking space at Goodison.

Well I hope you get your pay off, for keeping us up, very soon, you will not have earned one penny of it but will not bother one bit.

No doubt you will continue to be given further jobs in football by clubs in danger of relegation, God help the fans who support those unfortunate clubs.

However I do agree with his assessment of his own incompetent, gutless and unprofessional players, the main reason being that the modern 'superstar' footballer believes he is above the fans and does not have to answer to them or respect them.

Moshiri seems incapable of recognising the hangers on at Everton, the nepotism, and corruption in transfers. Moshiri needs to act now with a ruthless clearout; if not, we will be bankrupt sooner rather than later. Come on down, Mr Usmanov..!

Firefighters don't pretend to build stuff they usually save what they can and then it's somebody else's job to rebuild out of the wreckage.

Mathematically safe and Sam's job is done - if it isn't he should remember that fans both match-going or TV subscribers help to pay his wages.

As for the people backing him, haha they're probably the idiots who think it's okay for this once great club to be anywhere near the drop zone. (As long as we survive.)

The motto means fuck-all to most of the players. We are decades behind where we need/should be.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

And yes, I reluctantly wanted him appointed to stave off the big "R", but this is a bridge too far. His days are numbered if he's going to turn on the least culpable component of the malfunctioning entity that is Everton.

Some of the stuff he comes out with isn't too far from the truth, but his tendency to deflect criticism and not accept responsibility is doing him more harm than good.

We should be looking for 6-7 points from these next 3 (winnable) games. That will make us safe and allow us to play with a little more freedom.

I know someone who has been for most of those years tough.

This club will never be any good while Betty Turpin's boy has anything to do with it.

Please will someone put us all out of our misery and move him on.

He gets them biting this lad

I have to disagree with your assumption that Allardyce owes more obligation to the people who watch the games via the internet or Sky than the match going fans. Without the match going fans we have nothing, doesn't matter how load you shout at the screen it has no effect on the atmosphere.

But something we do agree on is Allardyce's arrogance – even the small minority who were prepared to see how he did are fast losing patience. He obviously thinks that its only people on internet sites who are moaning; well I suggest he comes and sits next to me in the Upper Bullens, he would soon appreciate that its the match going fans who aren't happy as well. I said before we got him I didn't want him at any price, but the powers that be decided otherwise. I think Carragher hit the nail on the head when he said that Evertonians wouldn't put up with Allardyce's "me, me, me" attitude and how right he is.

He said everybody was happy with the Leicester performance correct so why make 5 changes for the next game. And not only make 5 changes also change the formation and include a player who at best had probably had 1 training session with the players.

No, Sam, the biggest problem at Everton is you... closely followed by Walsh. So, as 1 of the 15 you refer to, I hope come the summer you will be gone and hopefully we are still in the Premier League.

I would like to see the following team
Pickford
Coleman
Keane
Mangala
Martina
Gueye
Davies
Walcott
Sigurdsson
Niasse
Rooney

COYB

I wonder if that was anything to do with his formation and tactics against Leicester, and the wholesale changes and gameplan against Arsenal.

As for being there to take us into a new stadium, the future is bleak, the future is darkness. The only surefire way for Sam Allardyce to win over the true fans at Everton is to fall on his sword and take his acolytes with him.

Gave up my season ticket today, 6 nations for me after watching my local rugby club in the pissing down rain. Preferable to a 300-mile trip to be royally non-entertained by a totally confused team led by the General Melchett of the Premier League.

The rest of the players are not remotely good enough, weak mental strength, poor attitudes with ability levels below the very best footballers in our league. Poor passing, poor control, poor reading of the play, poor positional sense, poor tackling, poor dribbling, poor shooting. You name it 90% of the players aren't up to scratch. Allardyce knows this, Koeman knew it. Walsh is probably mainly the culprit, but who knows how much involvement Koeman, Kenwright and Moshiri had in selecting players last summer?

Allardyce will take the stick, direct the focus onto him and hope it takes the spotlight off the players so they can perform better. Fundamentally though the players just aren't good enough. How many of our squad would get a game for a top 6 team? I suggest none other than the few I mention.

Regarding people being encouraged to voice their opinions these days, I have to agree that this is not always a bountiful blessing as a lot of serious and determined fuckwits add their voices to otherwise healthy and intelligent debate. But deflecting criticism in this way is weak and it is hardly 15 of us.

I personally do not know a single blue who is not utterly horrified with how this season has gone and the poisonous, monstrous steaming turd of a cherry on the top of this disgusting ghastly and very expensive cake is a manager of such epically dreadful proportions: accompanied by Sammy fucking Lee. I am pleased that he seems to have fully seized the requirements of the job, that we need to win by scoring goals etc, very good, can't really fault that.

As soon as we get to 40 points, Moshiri has got to start a massive clear out and put this shameful episode behind us. His deflection of blame is justified to a point but it is starting to sound like an application for his next job in Summer: Middlesbrough of Forest would be a good fit for him.

Moshiri is a very wealthy man so it seems unlikely that he is an idiot. He's had time now to look around and assess the situation. Hopefully there will be big changes from top to bottom and Kenwright can focus his attention on the world of musical theatre and we can have a club to proud of again.

The views expressed on here are of the entrenched and, he's right, the only way to change them is to win games.

If you get emotional about this you should probably give your head a wobble.

Add Gueye to the list of ‘adequate' players and I'm with you. Rooney as a squad member. Bolasie I think will be of the right standard when he makes a full recovery (which won't be popular).

I don't know one supporter who is behind Sam and his dinosaur ways. It's just not the Everton Way. Even my friends who support other clubs can't get used to us playing hoofball.

I hoped against hope that Allardyce would seize the chance to prove himself anything like he's always boasted he could be with "a big club", and we are as big as he'll ever get now. He's failing even in the basics of training ground drills though. He's had weeks to develop something like cohesion but it's non-existent, and he publicly announces he's baffled by it.

So, is it just him, a shite manager? Or is it someone/s else fault? Moshiri needs to find out and do something about it well before the end of this season, that's for sure.

Proudly, I'll set the ball rolling:- Phil Walling!

Hopefully it will have the same end result too with lots of quality players, lots of wins and lots of trophies!

Are you reading this Mr. Usmanov? It's time you joined the party.

I won't pick you up on the ‘echo every single evertonian' comment with a churlish ‘asked them have you?' Eugene Ruane-ism but I will challenge the idea that people can't get used to Everton playing hoof-ball.. we've been playing it for the last two years and played it for a significant portion of Moyes's tenure.

We are making the same mistakes on a much smaller budget.

Moshiri could be wiped out by the time he learns the lessons.

If the owner has any ambition and wants to put things right then that signing will be his most important. If Conte is available, and that looks a likely scenario at present then we should move mountains to get him in and give him absolute authority for future signings.

If you think its just 15 fans having a go, you ain't figured EFC fans out yet. Your style of football is not wanted and neither are you and your team.

You picked the team last Saturday not the so-called 15 fans, who by the way would never have put Schneiderlin in the squad never mind the team. You played Mangala when most of us would have left him at City. You were a centre-half yourself so don't you know a fraud when you see one or do you believe you know more than Guardiola and can spot something he's missed.

You created a scenario for Arsenal to piss all over us. Bolasie is not fit. Niasse is better from the bench. Davies should be playing to give us energy. We had momentum after Leicester thanks to Coleman and Walcott but you fucked it up for a so called pragmatic approach. You say to try and have a go at Arsenal would mean we'd be wide open. I have a point to make here – setting us up with 8 defenders didn't work either – they murdered us – a boxing match would have been stopped after 2 rounds.

The only thing you have more than most EFC fans is money. Football nous ? nah !

Step up Betty Turpin's boy.

I fail to see how people can get upset at this stage. Survival for financial reasons is imperative; drop out of the Premier League and sponsorship /attendance money TV rights / all dip or disappear.

It's a pity people can't see it that way. Football is business these days.

I spose it depends on your definition of hoofball and what constitutes Everton playing it.

I'd say punting it up to Marcus Bent or Duncan Ferguson playing as a one upfront on their own during Moyes' tenure qualifies.

I've no idea WTF Koeman was playing at but I saw Jags and Williams smashing it aimlessly up the field plenty.

I don't have a problem with direct football. The best Everton teams I've seen in my lifetime weren't afraid to ‘mix it up', as they say, but I'm with you that it is soul destroying watching us hoof out of the back.

That was kinda the point I was making. The matchgoer can vent his frustration and leave Sam in no doubt as to how he feels.

The guys who cant get there can only have their say on the internet. It's fucking disgusting that this fella can dismiss these people as a Tiny minority who haven't been to the game arguing amongst themselves . .the man's doesn't show respect which is one of the main reasons why most fans wont show him any

It does reflect in many places an online society that is like a kindergarten at times.

But and a big but...if he hates it, there is a button called "off" to press.

Both ways he wants it methinks..and is getting it

Or he doesn't like us (some would argue with reason) as much as many of us (or 15 of us anyway) don't like him as our manager and is therefore trying to wind us up.

Moyes' last match at Goodison 2013; West Ham fans bantered us with "Where's your Moyesy gone"

Our reply "you've got Sam Allardyce"

Their subsequent response: almost humble pie like acknowledged applause.

Touche and how the tables turn.

He's gone by the summer latest right?

Condescending tosser.

Why not give Tosun some game time? Exactly how is he adapting to the premier league sat on the bench?

Bollocks to all these knockers on here – at least you had the guts to take us on. Let's be fair they'd moan at anything on here so who cares?

When you have us safe, I'd fuck off anyway. Job done. Cost £9 mill; brought in £60 mill... not bad for the club.

How"s that, ToffeeWebers?

The second half of Koeman's full season, I'd seen enough to suggest he was not the man to trust with our new funds. Likewise, letting Allardyce have any influence on next season would be a huge mistake.

I will be hoping we win every game between now and the end of the season and finish as high up the table as possible. If we finish in the top 8, he will have earnt a crack at being our boss next season, in my opinion.

For me, this has been a horrible couple of years – I'm sick of all the uncertainty, all the constant changes in players – it doesn't feel very ‘Everton' to me. Let's hope it all settles down a bit. It would be nice to have a bit of a feel good factor at the match again.

I fear we'll be back to square one again if we sack Allardyce and appoint someone like Silva and it doesn't turn out great again. I'll back Sam if he can get a settled back 4 with Baines and Coleman back at full back, Schneiderlin on the bench and Rooney in midfield.

Go. Just go please.

All the hysterics and personal abuse on here will count for nothing, nobody's opinion counts except the owners. Only a collapse in home form will see him in serious danger, most of the suggested replacements are no better than Martinez, god forbid.

We have to give the man a chance. He has made mistakes - the line up at Arsenal was a joke - but he has also put Rooney in midfield, bought Walcott etc.

Give him a chance.

Nail right on the head there mate.

If your ambition and aim is to stay in the Premier league playing dreadful football then he is your man. "Throw" away games against difficult teams then gloat on your managerial capability when ride your luck against a massively depleted Crystal Palace at home; thats Allardyce. And lets not mention West Brom.

Put Evertonian discontent down to "15 people on the internet"; very condascending.

We talk about divisive managers, I don't think we've ever had one that unifies the support base so much in that we don't want him or his awful brand. And he knows it too.

It all comes down to ambition. Man City & Chelsea before them were seen as pretenders to the throne. Neither turned to the likes of Allardyce (he was around and available).

I will be dismayed if he remains in place beyond the end of the season.

He's made mistakes but deserves a chance.

No-one on here with a brain thinks we'll get relegated now and he has to take credit for that.

I also think we'll finish 7th. That would be an achievement too.

Let's see what he can do – give him a chance

If we were so lucky lol. I want Fat Sam out when the season over.

He is a chancer, he should go down on his knees every day and thank God that he has amassed an absolute fortune with so very little talent.

I don't see any unwavering incentive to be already building for next season, and so he has always had the option of doing the bare minimum. If things go better than he expects then he can choose to stay and try his hand at empire building.

The point I will always debate is how difficult a job was keeping us up? I just don't agree he was the only realistic option who would have kept us up as I don't think it took much to improve the way the team was playing. The purchase of Theo Walcott is far and away the biggest step forward but could no other manager have secured his services?

And he's a good tactician.

Sack him!
Then get out the "Dettol" and cleanse both Goodison Park & Finch Farm.

I feel disgusted at having him in charge. I never wanted him here, not even as a visiting manager.

Get him gone!

Get "The Pantomime Dame" gone!

Get the cobwebs in the "Trophy Room" gone!

Kenwright and Walsh should be competing for first out of the door and I keep advocating tempting David Dein and Arsene Wenger as CEO and DOF at the end of the season and let them pick the new manager and coaching staff.

The only way Allardyce would have been here next season would have been if he'd managed an absolutely miraculous transformation, and even then it wouldn't have been nailed-on.

Allardyce is gone at the end of this season, deffo!

Although not Arsene for Me

Joe Royle as Club Leader.

Not some other Clubs model.

Ours.

Then, let Big Joe work things out. FFS He's the last surviving Toff that won the League as a player and the FA Cup as a Manager.

"Weepy Bill" reminds me of someone very closely related to me. Full of warm milk and best intention. Not a scrapper who will scare the living shit out of the lack-a-days and galvanise action.

"Wipe away all your tears,
No trophies for 23 years!".

Barren Bill.
The Pantomime Twat !

We stay up, he gets his contract extended or is cut loose.

It's one or the other. I say the latter.

The latter being so, Mr Moshiri, you need to have Kenwright escort Sam out the front door and lock it closed behind the two of them.

If you really meant it when you said, "We can't be a museum." Prove it.

How that becomes Sam Alllardyce's cross to carry, I don't know?..

Just the latest punch bag since the rot of Martinez, or back to Walker. Either way It all falls down from the top. Criminal behaviour.

Nil Satis, get that fat Bastard out of our club. Until the next Fall guy arrives.and repeat.