U23s beaten on penalties by Bradford City

Tuesday, 25 September, 2018 48comments  |  Jump to last
Everton's Under-23s gave up a 1-0 lead in stoppage time in the Checkatrade Trophy against Bradford City this evening and then lost the ensuing shootout 6-5.

The young Blues were leading through Bassala Sambou's second-half goal when Antony Evans was sent off for a second bookable offence with a few minutes remaining.

The hosts grabbed the initiative with the visitors went down to 10 men and levelled through Miller two minutes into time added on to ensure that it ended 1-1 with each side earning a point.

The penalty shootout went to sudden-death after Lavery, Charsley, Adeniran, Foulds and Sambou were faultless from the spot until Manasse Mampala hit the bar with the scores at 5-5; Bradford City took the bonus point from the match when they converted the next kick.

Everton U23s: Virginia, Browning, Galloway, Charsley, Foulds, Adeniran [Y], Bowler (75' Mampala), Hornby (64' Sambou), Evans [Y;YR:85'], Broadhead (89' Lavery), Markelo.
Subs not Used: Hilton, Feeney, Gordon, Astley.


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John Williams
1 Posted 25/09/2018 at 20:39:28
Official stream now accessible. Still 0-0 after about 50 minutes.
Lawrence Green
2 Posted 25/09/2018 at 21:23:14
Sorry Brent I need new glasses as well now, Apparently it's 1-1 with Bradford equalising against Ten men Everton with the last kick of the match

Rob Halligan
3 Posted 25/09/2018 at 21:35:23
Lost 6-5 on penalties.
Lawrence Green
4 Posted 25/09/2018 at 21:36:36
Everton don't seem to like cups at any level. Well the lads can concentrate on the league now, as the saying goes...
Rob Halligan
5 Posted 25/09/2018 at 21:39:21
It's a group game, Lawrence. The other team is Oldham.
Lawrence Green
6 Posted 25/09/2018 at 21:41:32
Thanks Rob with it being decided on penalites I wrongly assumed it to be a cup-tie.
Rob Halligan
7 Posted 25/09/2018 at 21:42:26
They need a positive result in the Checkatrade Trophy. Don't know why?
Lawrence Green
8 Posted 25/09/2018 at 21:45:34
American TV and their audiences don't like draws - so within a few years all games at every level will have a winner, not much use to Everton as we are fairly rubbish at Penalty shoot-outs.
John Raftery
9 Posted 25/09/2018 at 22:39:37
The foul Evans committed for his second yellow card was an act of rank stupidity. From what I saw Galloway was poor. Sambou’s goal was excellent.
Paul ONeill
10 Posted 25/09/2018 at 22:43:48
Hard luck lads. One of my best mates is a big fan of the city gents so he’ll be pleased!
Laurie Hartley
11 Posted 26/09/2018 at 00:48:24
Thanks Dave.
Michael Kenrick
12 Posted 26/09/2018 at 04:07:40
Team sheets with Everton wearing full squad numbers:

Peter Gorman
13 Posted 26/09/2018 at 12:53:51
Damn, they are useless again.
Kieran Kinsella
17 Posted 26/09/2018 at 18:29:18
One difference between Everton and Liverpool is with u23. I remember about 1996 or 7, a mate of mine knew a coach at Liverpool. He was trying to tell me this coach reckoned some kid called Steven Gerard would be the next big thing in the city. I laughed. How ludicrous. I had never heard a mention of this kid whatsoever while everyone and their brother in the community and press had been banging on about Francis Jeffers for years. Funny how that turned out.

More recently, Liverpool have had a few injury crises where they've drafted in unknown kids like Joe Gomez and Trent Alexander Arnold – who turn out to be amazing. Meanwhile we bang on about Galloway "not being given a chance" by Sunderland, West Brom, or three Everton managers. Or we talk about 23- or 24-year-olds like Garbutt, Browning and Pennington having potential when they are playing for the U23s or being crucified by Oxford fans. We talk up Charsley and Connolly when they can't get game time at crap clubs. This Hornby lad is a prime example of the Everton wishful thinking hype machine. He never scores yet people are talking about him as our first team goalscoring solution.

The team we had last night had a goalie described as "the best I have ever seen at this level" by Unsworth. A £5 million winger, two defenders with dozens of Premier League games under their belts, a couple of London "wonder kids" and "The next Dave Watson" who had to settle for a place on the bench. And yet they lost to a shite team. Meanwhile, another Liverpool loanee was scoring a worldy to dump Manchester United out of the cup.

Tony Abrahams
18 Posted 26/09/2018 at 18:43:29
Just like an Everton loanee was scoring in the Champions League last week, Kieran?

Steve Ferns
19 Posted 26/09/2018 at 18:51:12
The thing with Steven Gerrard is he was being talked up more than Jeffers. You obviously mixed in very Everton circes Kieran. I was sick of hearing about “Stevie G”.

Do you also remember the embryonic Steve Gerrard? He was playing right back to get a game and he was touted as this great defensive midfielder. Which is why he wore 4 early in his career and usually for England. He was much older than Davies is now before he started to show signs of being a world class midfielder. It’s a very difficult position to play and needs experience and mentality as much as physical and technical attributes.

Kieran Kinsella
20 Posted 26/09/2018 at 20:30:25
Tony Abrahams 18

Vlasic wasn't a youth product of Everton he was signed for what £10 million just over 12 months ago. So he isn't relevant. That apart, the Russian League is shite

Tony Abrahams
21 Posted 26/09/2018 at 20:37:20
I also think bringing Liverpool players into an Everton forum really isn't relevant either, Kieran, and even if the Russian League is shite, it's not the Champions League is it?
Kieran Kinsella
22 Posted 26/09/2018 at 20:47:54

How isn't it relevant? There are two teams in the city. Essentially we are fishing in the same pond when it comes to youth recruitment and development. At the first team level, we have the old "They spent more than us excuse." What's the story at youth level? If anything, we spend more than them with the likes of Calvert-Lewin, Lookman, Gibson, Bowler etc all signed with our "Under-23 budget". But I guess we can live in a bubble and what compare ourselves with Tranmere.

Tony Abrahams
23 Posted 26/09/2018 at 21:08:13
Joe Gomez was signed from Charlton, Kieran, it's what most big clubs do now.

Didn't we have four kids win the “World Cup” last summer, and don't you think that our academy has definitely saved Everton, from going into administration during the Kenwright years?

And Why would we want to compare ourselves to Tranmere, Kieran, were/what is the relevance in that?

Kieran Kinsella
24 Posted 26/09/2018 at 21:18:42

I mentioned Tranmere sarcastically because you said Liverpool wasn't relevant. As for the "World Cup" yeah the 2nd rate players won that against Venezuela while the proper Under-21s were playing in the Euros, Pickford et al.

You can argue that one player's sale -- Wayne Rooney saved us from going into administration but that's another area of the general malaise at the club e.g. Kenshite's ownership term. We produced one good player 15 years ago. Now we big-up Unsworth as some kind of faux manager, patronize a load of shite local lads who are never going to make it, all in the name of "we once produced Rooney."

The academy was actually better before we started making a song and dance about it. I just feel like now it's this myth that distracts from all our other failings and I am making the point that we shouldn't be deceived. If you want to watch U23 for the joy of the game then fair enough. But, I have zero faith that we will produce any top class players any time soon.

History suggests we can churn out a headless chicken once in a while (Hibbert, Kenny) but no quality team would play them, and our "flair" players are lightweight wastes of space (Walsh, Kissock, Dowell) etc.

Tony Abrahams
25 Posted 26/09/2018 at 22:04:43
Kenny is a headless chicken, Kieran? And I was going to apologise because I never got your sarcasm!

The under twenties won the World Cup, not the under 21’s, but if the euro’s is bigger than the World Cup, and second rate players actually win the World Cup, then I really am amazed.

I would argue that the money we received for Jeffers, Ball, and Dunne, also kept the wolves, from Kenwright’s door, and is possibly the reason people now make a song and dance about the academy now?

Someone at Everton got there act together to sort it out, because before this Liverpool, were fielding boyhood Evertonians for fun, some of whom who were close to eventually becoming world class footballers.

Shane Corcoran
26 Posted 26/09/2018 at 22:13:24
I hope the young lads don't read ToffeeWeb; shite local lads that are never going to make it, headless chickens, 2nd rate, lightweight wastes of space.

You don't coach by any Kieran?

Tony Abrahams
27 Posted 26/09/2018 at 22:29:26
Honestly Shane, my mates lad plays for Everton, and he was telling me his nerves are already gone for Saturday.

Not the kid, his dad, because although he’s not daft, he’s got to sit in the stands, and listen to some of the barm-pot shouts, that people constantly come out with, when the team isn’t winning.

Patronise a load of shite local lads who are never going to make it, all in the name of we once produced Rooney, really is going to take some beating!

Andy Williams
28 Posted 26/09/2018 at 22:31:33
Kieran. Are you Victor in disguise?
Dan Davies
29 Posted 26/09/2018 at 22:57:49
Kieran has a point though doesn't he. Are our kids good enough to make the step up. Really?

Rooney was a one off. Once in a generation.

Name me the next Rooney coming through the illustrious Rhino academy?

Andy Crooks
30 Posted 26/09/2018 at 23:49:46
Michael @12 I just love that post. Is seeing your name there not the stuff of dreams? Maybe they don't make it big time but, my God, it must be something special. To every lad on that team sheet I would say you have done something really special, and no matter what happens you are a footballer. Good luck to all if them.
Steve Ferns
31 Posted 26/09/2018 at 00:04:01
Dan Rooney was the player of his generation for all of England. That's one of them every 20 years or so. You can't expect Everton to have one very couple of seasons then get pissed off when we don't!

Everton's academy is a prolific conveyor belt whichever way you look at it

- volume of professionals - tick loads down the lower leagues

- quality of graduates, how can we define this, surely getting a cap for your country would be such a barometer, well tick again, no-one has produced more England internationals from their academy than us since 2000

- now the one that really sets us apart is this: number of England internationals born within 25 miles of the stadium. All of ours are and few of the top academies can even get half. This shows the quality of the coaching, surely?

Tony Abrahams
33 Posted 27/09/2018 at 07:53:12
Maybe Steve, but maybe it’s also because of the talent, that is all over this region?

I’m not slagging the coaches, I just feel that when you watch kids train at academies, then too much emphasis is put on trying to score a goal?

Sounds mad that because football is all about scoring goals, but a Barcelona youth coach, once stopped my mate before a game and asked him, “are you English?” My mate asked him how come he was asking, and the man replied that only the English kids, warm up in the goal.

I think it shows when you watch international football, because the English never seem as comfortable playing in tight areas, especially through the midfield, but it seems like second nature, for everyone else?

Kevin Prytherch
34 Posted 27/09/2018 at 08:28:20
So we have a team of largely teenagers with very little experience outside of the U18 and U23 leagues and they are a few minutes away from beating a team of largely seasoned professionals who are far older and experienced and we complain.

Oh yes – and we're top of the league in both U18 and U23.

But our academy is shite and everyone else's (who are currently not performing to the same level) are obviously better.

ps: A quick glance at the rest of the academy teams shows a Man Utd victory, and heavy defeats for West Ham and Chelsea. So out of 4 academy teams, only 1 got a better result.

Honestly - the fans of this club have changed into serial whiners.

Kieran Kinsella
35 Posted 27/09/2018 at 13:56:20

They weren't largely teenagers. They are mostly 20 odd and they are well compensated because they play for a Premier League club. “Seasoned” or not, the Bradford City players are obviously crap otherwise they wouldn't be playing for Bradford City! Fulham had a 15-year-old playing the other night. But Unsworth is playing Jim'll Fix It with 22- and 23-year-olds and trying to make their dreams come true

Kieran Kinsella
36 Posted 27/09/2018 at 16:34:28
And Kevin #34,

One more thing. Bradford had a kid making his debut at center-half, a teen full-back with 3 pro games to his name, a 19-year-old striker, an older striker playing out of position at right-back, and they rested three of their regular starting midfield. So yeah... "seasoned pros" and all!

Steve Ferns
37 Posted 27/09/2018 at 18:47:01
Kieran, they increased the academy age from 21 to 23.

They binned off the reserve leagues to try to encourage academies like they have now with younger players playing. Initially is was u21s and up to 3 overage players.

Then it was decided that the gap between u21 and first team was too big and therefore the academies were not achieving what they intended. So they raised the age limit to increase the quality.

So is playing Ty Browning really a bad thing? If there’s not a lad behind him to take his place, why not keep the quality up with a player who looked championship level and help the young players who are good enough to raise their standards.

The idea is not to produce 11 players each season but one or two. I think the best way to do that is to raise the quality of the side.

I agree with Unsworth that we should go ahead with this plan to have B teams in the football league and split league 2 into a north and south to do so.

I fully understand that this will permanently damage the English game, and so it’s the reason they have not done it.

Kevin Prytherch
38 Posted 27/09/2018 at 18:48:40
I do apologise - there were 5 x teenagers and 2 x 20 year olds. (One of which only turned 20 last week)

If you take the defence out (obviously Browning and Galloway are relatively very experienced) then we have 4 teenagers in midfield and upfront. (And a 20 year old who only turned 20 last week).

Only a handful of them have had any significant loan experience.

Bradford might have played a couple of inexperienced guys, but I bet the majority of the team was very experienced in comparison.

Labelling them shit is an insult to former Evertonians such as Peter Clarke, Lundstrom etc who have forged good careers in the lower leagues playing at a standard that 99.5% of us could only dream about.

Virginia - 19
Browning - 24
Foulds - 20
Charsley - 21
Galloway - 22
Bowler - 19
Adenerin - 19
Markelo - 19
Broadhead - 20
Hornby - 19
Evans - 20 (a week ago)

Shane Corcoran
39 Posted 27/09/2018 at 19:02:42
Can we define 'shit'? I mean, I think I'm pretty good on the ball but I'm 40 and have barely played more than a half competitive 5-a-side game.

Is everyone outside the Top 6 in the five best leagues in Europe shit? Should the rest pack it in?

Davie Turner
40 Posted 27/09/2018 at 19:34:07
Come on slagging off the U23s because they not all destined to play in the Champions League seems a bit much. And some of the stick young Kenny is getting is well over the top. You don’t always get instant results, look at Coleman when he arrived, he was out of his depth but a good loan spell, experience in midfield and he turned into something special. If anything I feel we don’t get some of the young ones the best loans. But the young American is doing well again this season.

1:10 May become a good squad player, 1:50 a first teamer, 1:5000 a Ross Barkley, 1:500,000 a Wayne Rooney but they all deserve support for pushing to become an Everton player even if the majority never will.

Vaughan, Branch, Lundstrom and plenty of others have had good careers in football, yes they never made it here but I appreciate seeing them do well.

But kids aren’t always an instant success. Young Kenny could do with more experience, maybe a loan, but he our reserve and all in all I felt since he came in he done well.

Kieran Kinsella
41 Posted 27/09/2018 at 19:55:50
The point of the under 23, under 18, etc is to produce quality first team players. It seems to me, that we have hijacked that and play the strongest possible team (e.g. Niasse played a lot last year, Garbutt ditto, Browning, Galloway) not with an expectation of them becoming first team regulars, but instead so that we beat other teams other kids and therefore seem successful. The actual under 23 results are utterly meaningless. The u23 league is not an end in it's own right. It is a glorified training camp. It would be better to lose every game but produce one Robbie Fowler, McManaman, Gerrard, Owen, TTA, etc than to win and then cut these guys lose at 23 or 24 to go off and bench warm in the lower leagues. If as Kevin suggested, we did actually send out a bunch of kids then great. But that's not how we are using this league.

And Shane, "shit" is a relative term. I am shit compared with a conference player, he is shot compared with championship teams, they are shit compared with EPL and so on and so forth. Yes it is lovely that Lundtsram and Clarke got to play lower league football for a few years, but they could have been cut loose at 16, joined Carlisle and saved us a few quid.

Steve Ferns
42 Posted 27/09/2018 at 20:26:49
Kieran, there's four players in this side I have hopes for.

1. Hornby.
2. Evans.
3. Bowler.
4. Virginia.

If the other seven are simply to raise the standard these four play to, then that increases their development. If this was all U21s only, and as soon as we ruthlessly cut players clearly never going to be champions league standard so we're only left with young kids, then the better players development is hindered by playing with worse players. It improves their development to play with and against better players. This is why they increased it from U21 to U23. So a 17-year-old can play against better players and progress enough to make the first team.

Can't you understand this?

On the point of Virginia, he's very much a first-team player. If the first team plays he's nowhere near the U23s. He only turns out if the first team are not playing. He's at every game and on the pitch before the games, warming up. It's very clear they expect a lot from him and that he's third choice.

Tony Abrahams
43 Posted 27/09/2018 at 20:29:47
Kieran, why do you only mention past Liverpool players, when looking to produce one great player, rather than maintain a competitive spirit?
Shane Corcoran
44 Posted 27/09/2018 at 20:46:25
Kieran, it's a pity you use the term 'shit and all the other insulting terms you use. It takes away from your otherwise reasonable argument. Try saying, "not up to x, y, z level". It makes you sound less controversial, unless that's what you're going for.
Kieran Kinsella
45 Posted 27/09/2018 at 20:56:27
Steve Ferns,

Kieran Dowell made his Everton debut four years ago. After which, he played U23 for two years, won the title, won the U20 World Cup, went out on loan for a year, and now he can't even make the bench. So did that time playing alongside Darron Gibson, McAleny, Niasse, and his young mates actually do him any good?

Joe Williams is another one. Plays Under-23s, progresses (?), goes on loan to a rubbish Championship team beginning with B. Comes back, plays U23 again, and goes out on loan to another rubbish championship team beginning with B. There is no evidence that these players are improving.

So Steve, I get your point and the theory behind the U23s, and that would work well and good if Chelsea didn't loan out 50 players every year instead of playing them at this level. Other teams are putting their 17-year-olds out here. I also think you're being optimistic with those four players.

Bowler turns 20 in a few months. He is a winger. Most wingers break into the team at 18 and then start to lose their pace by 28 or 29. As of now he can't get a start in the U23. The goalie might be alright, the other two seem like Phil Jevons types at best.

Tony Abrahams,

Because, the only good one we have produced in the last 20 years was Rooney but I have been told in this thread that we shouldn't use him as an example. So I just looked around the local area for the nearest cluster of homegrown players I could find.

Kieran Kinsella
46 Posted 27/09/2018 at 20:58:10

I apologize for using the term 'shit'. I concede it was not really appropriate and more borne of frustration I feel seeing some many of us – myself included – for a long time, having this false hope for the U23s when I feel they're playing the system to win games as opposed to make better players.

Tony Abrahams
47 Posted 27/09/2018 at 21:53:21
If they were playing the system to win games Kieran, then surely Williams, Connolly and Robinson, wouldn’t have been allowed to go on loan?

The only thing that frustrates me is that when kids get a chance, people keep saying they are shite, instead of giving them a chance to really prove themselves.

Remember Coleman? Done well at Blackpool, came back, done okay, not much more to begin with, and all’s I kept hearing was he’s not good enough for us. Kid gets a bit of “EXPERIENCE” and turns out to be very good.

I know we want instant success, but you don’t win the World Cup in any sport, unless you have got talent, so although I can understand your frustration Kieran, these kids are learning their trade in a very unforgiving league, and the last thing they need is unforgiving supporters tearing the back out of them, every time it doesn’t go to plan.

Dan Davies
48 Posted 27/09/2018 at 21:59:17
Football is massive in Liverpool, I just can't understand with numbers of kids playing the game all over the region why there aren't any more Rooneys unearthed or even dare I say it Gerrards!

There has to be quality local lads capable of eventually playing top level football surely? By top level I mean Premier League standard.

Do these academies actually work? Or would Everton be better off having a few feeder clubs to unearth a few gems?

Phillip Warrington
49 Posted 27/09/2018 at 22:34:03
When Everton send their players out on loan to lower-division clubs, they are also sending them to lower standard of coaching.

I believe that coaching either enhances or kills a player's talent. Game time is a very different thing to the day-to-day training of a player and, if we have to send players out why not send players to say forwards to Brazil, midfielders to Spain, defenders to Italy and goalkeepers stay here.

Davie Turner
50 Posted 28/09/2018 at 00:41:25
Good shout Phillip, don’t know why we can’t find clubs in Germany, Holland etc. That would give the players experience and they may bring something new back.
Phil Sammon
51 Posted 28/09/2018 at 01:26:25
This is why Lookman deserves praise. So few young Englishmen are willing to travel in search of the best possible option and, god forbid, immerse themselves in another culture.
Tony Abrahams
52 Posted 28/09/2018 at 09:03:15
Dan@48, that’s a good point about feeder clubs mate because most premier league players are generating more more each year than a league one football club.

Phillip@49, when a kid reaches a certain age, then competitive football is so much more important than coaching. Get stuck in and learn, or is it sink or swim?

Davie@50, best coached player I’ve seen play for Everton, over the last 20 years has got to be Pienaar. Only my opinion, but I bet you it had something to do with the coaching at Ajax?

I know, what about Klaassen, some might say, but his ability was fine, he just couldn’t adapt to the speed and physicality that the EPL brings?

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