Here's one for the Moyes lovers among the Everton faithful. Our great former manager talks to another almost incomprehendable fellow Scott in Si Ferry on Open Goal:
Among the revelations, Moyes talks about how he was blatantly tapped up by Sir Alex Ferguson while he was still manager of Everton — not that the wiley Glaswegian puts it quite as bluntly as that:
Moyes, 55, said Ferguson called him out of the blue while he was out shopping in Cheshire with his wife, shortly after his birthday in April, 2013.
He said: "He (Ferguson) said, 'Come to the house later'. I says, 'Aye, OK.' That's what you did when he called. But I've got a pair of jeans on. It's my day off. I'd never turn up to Alex Ferguson's house with a pair of jeans on - that's just the way I've been brought up. I wouldn't do that.
"I was like, What am I going to do - nip to Marks and Spencer and pick a pair of trousers up? Anyway, I dropped my wife at the shopping centre and I go and get to the door and say, Sorry, I'm in my jeans'. He says, 'Aye come on in,' and he made me a cup of tea.
"He's got a really lovely big room with all his memorabilia and stuff in and he took me up and he says, 'You're going to be the next Man United manager'.
"And that was it. He says, 'I'm retiring'. And the biggest thing, he says, 'Nobody's to know. You can't tell anybody'. He says, 'Tell your wife, but don't tell anybody else'.
And we talked after that. He opened a bottle of red wine and we had a couple of glasses. And we talked about the squad for about half an hour, an hour. And he says, 'Come back tomorrow, the paper are coming to meet you tomorrow here in the house again. So that's what I done.
"So it was as simple as that - he offered me the job and that was it. I never got a chance to say, 'No' or, 'By the way, what about this or that?'
"He went through the squad and just went on with it. That was exactly it and maybe in hindsight there needed to be much more done and said, but why would there be? I trusted him and why would I need to do more than that?
"I went back and told my wife in the shopping centre but I couldn't tell my kids, couldn't tell my dad, couldn't tell anybody. The biggest thing wasn't me getting the Man United job, it was Sir Alex retiring, and I couldn't say a thing."
Moyes has also told how he always thought he might be in with a chance of getting the United job because they "didn't always take the sexiest manager", preferring "up and coming" British bosses.
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1 Posted 03/10/2018 at 18:27:48
2 Posted 03/10/2018 at 18:55:17
He didn't explain fully why he didn't stop by at Marks and Spencers to get his trousers. Talking of Utd, supposedly Brenda Rogers is in the running for that job. I would love that, it would be hilarious to see that complete charlatan continue their demise
3 Posted 04/10/2018 at 06:24:49
4 Posted 04/10/2018 at 07:38:00
5 Posted 04/10/2018 at 08:29:32
One reason why I'll always hold a special place in my heart for Roberto Martinez was the “double” we did over Man Utd that season and breaking that away hoodoo at one of the so-called top four as it was then, made it so sweet that it was achieved when Moyes was managing United.
6 Posted 04/10/2018 at 08:38:35
7 Posted 04/10/2018 at 09:16:33
"I'd never turn up to Alex Ferguson's house with a pair of jeans on."
The grovelling shit!
8 Posted 04/10/2018 at 09:34:41
10 Posted 04/10/2018 at 09:58:31
11 Posted 04/10/2018 at 10:11:20
I heard a story in which he was handed an iPad on day one which had a pre-programmed diary for him that outlined all of his commitments, which for a corporate giant like Man Utd were plentiful. Apparently he turned his nose up at it and pointed to his paper diary and how that this was his trusted way of keeping on top of his commitments. It was the first indication that he was lost and well out of his depth.
Rio Ferdinand told a story of how Moyes was showing them videos of Jagielka and how to defend in the way he wanted. Sure, it was probably only intended as a demonstration. But the fact that Ferdinand and the other players took such offence to it illustrates a complete lack of understanding of big characters.
We all know about his derogatory and contradictory comments about EFC. ‘We never tried to hold players back from a move' after offering £12m for Leighton Baines.
‘Knife to a gunfight' is a famous quote when explaining his failure to win away at Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal between 2002 - 2013. (More than 44 games.)
The facts of the matter were that he did some outstanding initial work at Everton and really established us as a decent side. I'm minded to believe that whoever was involved in the recruitment of players from 2004 onwards was also responsible for much of the success.
His achievements, however, are relative to the bubble of English football. Clubs on the continent with less resources managed to bring about far greater success during the period Moyes had with Everton. Wolfsburg, Villarreal, Atletico came from the second tier of Spanish football to re-emerge; PSV, Lyon etc.
12 Posted 04/10/2018 at 10:26:10
13 Posted 04/10/2018 at 10:34:14
Nearly all of the strikers he brought in stopped scoring due to his work ethic philosophy. Fancy buying the Yak and expecting him to run about.
14 Posted 04/10/2018 at 10:34:19
15 Posted 04/10/2018 at 11:08:29
16 Posted 04/10/2018 at 11:14:34
I accept football is all about opinions and thats what makes it such a great game, so I will side on Sir Alex Fergusons judgement probably the greatest manager in British football. He thought highly enough to appoint Moyes as his successor, and no it didn't work as both wanted but seeing the present Man Utd manager has complained about the lack of support from the CEO who was very new to the job when Moyes took over at Man Utd, then maybe it wasn't all Moyes fault it didn't work out.
17 Posted 04/10/2018 at 11:45:20
The state of the team he took over was an utter car crash, which he miraculously kept up. Going down then would have killed us. Fans are fickle, especially on here.
18 Posted 04/10/2018 at 11:58:10
Any manager with genuine ambition for our club would have resigned in the manner of Howard Kendall (2nd spell) and Joe Royle during previous periods of boardroom parsimony.
Compare Watford's owners to Kenwright who, despite losing his beloved manager without the courtesy of an official approach from Man Utd, then continued to pay his salary for several weeks until the end of his contract!
19 Posted 04/10/2018 at 12:09:25
20 Posted 04/10/2018 at 12:27:04
21 Posted 04/10/2018 at 12:52:40
Even the 'knife to a gunfight' comment, while offensive to any Evertonian old enough to have seen the great teams of the eighties and sixties, was pretty accurate. Teary Bill didn't have two brass farthings to rub together at a time when wealth was changing the order of the Premier League, hence we were indeed condemned to brandishing a knife.
What has been so tragic about the last two years is that, when we finally have proper money to spend, we seem to have wasted it and are no further forward. Could Moyes have spent it more wisely? He could hardly have done much worse but I don't personally believe his character would be suited to such a different mindset, and maybe explains why he failed at Man Utd.
As others have noted, it is infuriating that we get investigated for tapping up Silva, even though we did go through official channels and then looked elsewhere when Watford rebuffed us, yet Man Utd blatantly tapped up Moyes before the end of his contract, as is evidenced here, and no action is taken.
22 Posted 04/10/2018 at 13:00:36
He's in the history books now and will ever be so.
It would have been interesting to see what he could have done with a bit of mullah behind him, especially having a Lukaku up front.
That was our biggest problem when he was with us, we were on the bones of our arse and had to buy the Meatties, Bents of this world and hope for no injuries.
The "purple" patch was when we actually had a good striker in Yakubu, Arteta and Pienaar in midfield, Jags in his prime and Baines linking up greatly on the wing.
We were almost there and ifs and buts, it would have been interesting to see how we fared against Chelsea in the cup final had Arteta, Jagielka and Yakubu been fit – that was the entire spine of our team missing.
23 Posted 04/10/2018 at 13:13:20
Where they straight-legged? Loose fit? Boot cut? Flares? The mind boggles, maybe they were cut down a la Daisy Duke style and he was showing off a bit of anal cleft round the rear end. Guess we'll never know.
24 Posted 04/10/2018 at 13:28:44
He's done nothing and his record with Everton, Man Utd, Sociedad, Sunderland and West Ham proves it.
Anyone who buys his book is also a loser.
25 Posted 04/10/2018 at 13:30:27
We certainly haven't had a better manager since at Everton. Even Martinez in his first season only achieved what he did on the back of Moyes's work – once the discipline and fitness was allowed to dissipate, Martinez was useless. Koeman, Unsworth and Fat Sam have all been failures, and Silva has only just started so we'll need to give him at least a season or two before we can judge.
I didn't like the way he left, or the way he tapped up our players on the cheap afterwards, but he's still a great Evertonian in my eyes, and he did a lot for the club.
26 Posted 04/10/2018 at 13:36:37
27 Posted 04/10/2018 at 14:06:11
The only team to challenge Moyes since 1988 is Royle's team.
It's a sad state of the club that someone who could potentially be 30 has seen their greatest ever Everton team fight to finish 5th or 6th.
28 Posted 04/10/2018 at 14:09:16
His failings have been well documented but he also got us playing the best footy I have seen from an Everton side since the 80s. And the difference to today? His teams had heart. I reckon Donovan and Cahill on their own could take on any 11 from our current squad.
Shame he left as he did but those who write off his achievements with us are short sighted at best. Whatever happened to 'credit due...'?
29 Posted 04/10/2018 at 14:44:54
The umming and ahhing over whether to throw away £30 on a pair of Farah's he was probably only going to wear once, or potentially offend his host/hinder his future career prospects, must have gone on for fucking ages.
30 Posted 04/10/2018 at 14:56:02
Yet still the haters hate.
31 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:00:26
"Over the years I haven't really been coached much."
Not sure how true it is, but it's a pretty damning statement about his years at Everton (including several under Moyes) either way.
32 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:06:17
It amazes me that he's still a topic of debate at all, let alone a debate so passionate. Can't figure it out.
33 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:24:52
And – again, watch the interview about when he first arrived at Everton – he "got" us more than any other manager of recent years. "The People's Club" — indeed.
34 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:41:45
35 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:43:10
36 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:44:30
37 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:49:02
I also don't believe that the clandestine meeting Moyes mentions, was the first time his possible move to Old Trafford was discussed, either formally or informally.
As far as I'm concerned, David Moyes is just another former employee; he did the job he was paid to do but ultimately he didn't win a trophy for Everton – despite the number of years he was in charge – much the same as Bingham, Lee, Walker, Martinez, Koeman et al.
38 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:51:43
39 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:52:08
Some of the signings over the last few seasons have been completely random and without any real thought if they fit with what's required.
40 Posted 04/10/2018 at 15:59:22
How Mason Mount justifies a call-up is even more baffling.
41 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:02:30
Moyes was too frightened of losing to think about winning in those games, even the famous one when he talked about taking a knife to a gunfight, we were losing 2-0 and with a few minutes to go pulled a goal back and had another good chance. I wonder how we would have done if we'd gone with a winning mentality? "Knife to a gunfight" he said, then put the knife away and took out a large white flag.
Two United fans said to me after the semi-final when we beat them at Wembley, "Sorry, we'll be taking your manager off you soon."
"You can fuckin' have him for me, lads – and the quicker the better," I replied – and that was after a win in a semi-final.
42 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:04:02
Kind of like that Man City documentary on Amazon. They toured Aguerro's apartment and he said his family are in South America mostly. Then he said “So I am here alone” about 15 times as he stood in his bedroom.
Made me wonder if he is alone... Maybe Moyes comes over to do some housework?
43 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:04:03
But the extended debate on his merits just bewilders me. I'm not sure if it's a footy thing or a cultural thing, but a debate like this would never happen in the US. I was a sports "journo" here for nearly 20 years, and I cannot remember a single discussion over the abilities/liabilities of past coaches in the NBA, NFL or baseball. In our sports, when the manager is gone, he's gone. And forgotten.
By contrast, I've seen debates here about not only Moyes but Kendall, Smith and Royle. I just don't get it.
44 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:06:03
Could be one reason for such an abysmal performance on the day.
45 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:06:38
46 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:07:22
You will agree Billy Bingham deserved the sack then?
47 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:07:46
The Ross Barkley interview is interesting, as is him being recalled to the England squad after limited appearances with England.
More impressive is that both Digne and Zouma have been called up for the World Champions, France.
48 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:07:49
Man City are a completely different animal to the one Moyes faced practically all of his tenure. Scratch another place on average for that fact alone when using rose tinted specs.
Tottenham are no longer the flatter to deceive team they used to be when he had us above them with regularity. It was his failure to push on that has seen them become the smallest team in the big six.
Moyes faced some of the most dire Liverpool teams in recent memory and yet still somehow failed to achieve anything of note. I stress his failures see them at the very pinnacle of football again rather than us.
These failures are mitigated as an argument only by the lack of support he received from the board room, but they should not be forgotten when slagging current managers.
Moyes's Everton today would have finished 7th or 8th. He wouldn't have achieved season one Martinez and would only have matched season one Koeman.
49 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:09:43
He knew all about our finances, so knew the money would have been welcome, but he was too busy kissing Ferguson's shoes. keeping his secret, on his terms.
Mike G. if you wonder why he still evokes debate, just recall his comments after leaving. The 'Everton should be grateful to me' line still rankles for me.
50 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:15:17
51 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:17:48
52 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:20:23
Moyes describes himself as an Evertonian and, in the context of managers that have come before and after, I think he means what he says. He might not be an Evertonian in the same way you or I are Evertonians, but then not many employees of the club are.
53 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:21:22
54 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:24:23
55 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:25:53
Maybe it's a bit of regret on his part that it didn't work out as he had hoped when he left or since and who didn't revel in the shite losing the Champions League final (other than those pesky reds!)
Anyway, we aren't going to agree so I'll leave it there.
56 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:30:25
57 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:36:14
@27 Not far off, 34. And by no means a member of the Moyes fan club either, but I'm not one to rewrite history and pretend anyone post-Moyes has been anything other than complete and utter failure and with vastly more resources.
58 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:47:09
Since then, he's had to get used to the "boot", of course, after so consistently showing his arse.
59 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:49:05
60 Posted 04/10/2018 at 16:54:23
His head was so far up Ferguson's arse he could see Giggs.
I'm only surprised that he ever had the audacity to beat United (on the very rare occasion that he did).
Well overstayed his welcome for me and treated the club disrespectfully after his departure.
Be thankful for Moshiri or he'd very likely be back in charge again now.
61 Posted 04/10/2018 at 17:23:38
62 Posted 04/10/2018 at 17:44:36
I can at least given the shit that has followed acknowledge that he did a solid job for us. A job for us that ultimately got him the biggest job in the premiership.
Whereas, to most idiots on here, he's just a "knife to a gunfight" Judas ginger twat, which is laughable.
63 Posted 04/10/2018 at 18:20:10
Regardless of what Moyes achieved or didn't achieve it still narks me that he became Man Utd manager and then still managed Everton for 2 matches and the faithful gave him a standing ovation. That incident just about summed up our collective ambitions.
No wonder we are scrambling about in the wilderness with no real ambition to ever win anything again.
64 Posted 04/10/2018 at 18:20:26
I'll happily be that idiot.
65 Posted 04/10/2018 at 18:34:11
66 Posted 04/10/2018 at 18:58:42
67 Posted 04/10/2018 at 19:09:10
AF: "Ainly kiddin' ye son. So whit de ye say?"
DM: "Whit dee ah say? Ah say YES PLEASE! Sure I'll have to sort it oot wi' Everton but they're as soft as shite so there'll be nae problem theer."
AF: "And keep in mind yer'll be quadruplin' yer wages, 7-year deal, nae bother."
DM: "SEV holy fu...ah mean...wow...WOW!"
AF: "Yer'll life will change son, bigger hoose, bigger car, bigger budget tae buy players, everythin'!"
DM: "Amazin'...(thinks)..always fancied wan o' they flash cars like you see on Top ge.."
AF: "Wait a fuckin' MINUTE!! Are they no PROPER pants like school pants or goin' to a weddin' pants!!? Get the fuck OOT you disgusting, goggle-eyed, pasty-faced, ginger twat!"
(Just think, all that might have happened if he hadn't said 'Sorry, I'm in my jeans')
68 Posted 04/10/2018 at 19:11:06
Great comeback post by the way.
69 Posted 04/10/2018 at 20:10:23
I don't think Moyes was responsible for the low bids for Baines and Fellaini. The new CEO of Man Utd hasn't got a clue, and they have struggled with recruitment ever since he was appointed. In any case, we got £27 million for Fellaini, so we got the better end of that deal.
Let's move on and wish him well – he talks well of us, let's not be bitter.
70 Posted 04/10/2018 at 22:37:38
Pass and move, pass and move, neat little triangles, we were racking up shots in the double figures. Just not scoring... (sound familiar)?
Probably remembering the period better than it was, but that is when I reckon he was showing the Man Utd hierarchy his credentials. Fergie telling them, "Imagine what he could do with our players, blah blah blah," but typical of TGT, he reverted to type, probably once he'd secured the gig, or because it's not in his forte to play expansive togger.
Conspiracy theory, I know. But I remember him saying around that time it would only take 5 mins for him and Bill to sort out a new contract, and all I could think of was, "Well, why haven't you?" ... "Plenty of five minutes in a day"... I knew then something was up.
I didn't see it being Man Utd but, then again, who knows the mind of someone who turns up to Fergie's house wearing Joe Bloggs jeans, no socks, and flip-flops???
71 Posted 05/10/2018 at 01:02:03
He should move on, take his tongue off of Fergie's arse (as Fergie has ridiculed Moyes since all the above happened) and get a new job instead of chatting bollocks about his life at Everton.
We've moved on; so should he!
72 Posted 05/10/2018 at 01:03:48
I do agree with you 100%, I've said all what you said when Moyes was up for the USA job, but I'm a little bored of Moyes being a topic.
73 Posted 05/10/2018 at 13:30:02
For the cup defeat by Wigan, 3 - 0, Everton had been beaten by them in the away Premier League game and Heitinga had struggled with Kone's pace and was taken off at half-time.
To counter this for the cup game, Moyes and Round decided to pick Neville in midfield. Neville by then was dead slow and couldn't pass to a blue shirt to save his life. How was playing a slow 36-year-old in midfield going to affect a flyer playing up front.
Steve Round admitted this tactic on the radio some weeks later. Unbelievable.
74 Posted 05/10/2018 at 19:32:47
Moyes is a solid old-school manager who is largely responsible for Everton still being, well Everton. He built a very good side through his methodical and diligent approach to his work. Moyes put in place the foundations of what we have today. He also knew how to get the best out of players. He got Arnautavic playing again at West Ham and they finished comfortably last year.
If you look at his post Everton career. He was stitched up by Ferguson, who left him a squad full of institutionalized veterans with massive ego's. He didn't do great in Spain but by no means a disaster.
The majority of his career and what he should always be judged on is producing Everton teams that were consistently finishing in the Top 6 and qualifying for Europe. He did this for 10 years. There was nothing flukey about any of it just hard work and talent.
75 Posted 05/10/2018 at 19:42:32
76 Posted 05/10/2018 at 23:11:45
77 Posted 06/10/2018 at 00:58:42
Yes, he left poorly and acted very badly when he left but he left enough positivity in the bank account to override that:
Top 4 finish
FA Cup final
Survived relegation with a shite squad
Had us competing top end
Played some excellent football at times
78 Posted 06/10/2018 at 05:44:55
Current wage bill?? 10th. Apparently!
79 Posted 06/10/2018 at 06:10:32
We then got Martinez who had a great first season on the back of Moyes's team then screwed it up with his WW1 Generals mentality-kids, read a book or Google it.
Now we are close to being back in the same position we were when DM took over. I'm not looking for a statue of Moyes but ffs give credit where it is due, we're the club that knows it's history.
80 Posted 06/10/2018 at 14:11:56
Years at the club
Early, did very well to drag the worst Everton side on a pitch out of the mire
Had some money, rebuilt well, put some pride in the place
The money dried up and eventually Everton stood still
Could be infuriating, missed golden opportunities to win a trophy, tended to start badly finish strong
On getting the united job
Turned into a disrespectful muppet, despite being pretty much the same as every other united manager since got sacked tough shit.
Journeyman who blew his chance, bit like his cup record
81 Posted 06/10/2018 at 21:17:44
82 Posted 07/10/2018 at 09:25:43
83 Posted 09/10/2018 at 12:57:41
I'm old enough to remember us winning titles in the 80s but ever since we've been shit, like it or not. Moyes at least gave us back a level of pride at not supporting an utterly shit team, albeit one that still didn't win anything.
If I'd been Everton manager for 11 years, or whatever it was, and Man Utd offered me their job, I'd be off as well.
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