Everton's hopes of Europe dashed by Wolves win

Saturday, 4 May, 2019 61comments  |  Jump to last
Everton's victory over Burnley last night kept alive their hopes of getting a crack at the Europa League next season but Wolverhampton Wanderers' slender win over relegated Fulham today has made it impossible for the Blues to finish seventh.

A defeat or draw for Nuno Espirito Santo's side would have kept Everton in the hunt for what will be the last European spot if Manchester City win the FA Cup but Ryan Babel struck the crossbar and Aleksandar Mitrovic missed a sitter for the Cottagers before Leander Dendoncker tucked home the winner.

It means that only Leicester can overhaul Wolves to finish seventh while Marco Silva and the Toffees can continue their preparations for a full pre-season and the 2019-20 Premier League campaign beyond.  

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Iain Love
1 Posted 04/05/2019 at 18:14:49
It could be a blessing, whilst we build for the future.
Brian Williams
2 Posted 04/05/2019 at 18:28:00
Let's hope Leicester City don't fancy the Europa League!!!
Derek Knox
3 Posted 04/05/2019 at 18:57:46
Brian, their burns haven't fully healed up from their last foray into Europe, so I would be thinking they will be cautious, but I doubt whether Man City would get mugged by them again anyway!
Jeff Armstrong
4 Posted 04/05/2019 at 18:59:12
Gutted we aren't going to qualify...

Zouma, Gomes — thanks and goodbye.

Pat Kelly
5 Posted 04/05/2019 at 19:26:47
We've still got Africa to look forward to...
Mike Gaynes
6 Posted 04/05/2019 at 19:35:22
Gomes? I doubt it, Jeff. He has clearly enjoyed his Goodison embrace and, assuming we can match up financially, there's no reason in the world for him to want to leave.

My money is on him being in the starting lineup next August.

Liam Reilly
7 Posted 04/05/2019 at 19:41:55
Won't have to buy BT Sport then for at least another year.

To be fair, Wolves have been more consistent following our mid-season slump post-Anfield.

Keep the key players and add some creativity, a back-up right back and a striker, and there is little to fear from most of the Premier League.

Mike Corcoran
8 Posted 04/05/2019 at 19:45:11
I love Andsome André Gorgeous Gomes as much as the next straight Blue. I think he loves us too but Zoomzy is the one we would miss most as a team.

I'm gutted to miss out on Europe but realistic enough to accept it would probably be a season too early.

John Keating
9 Posted 04/05/2019 at 19:55:29
Phil Smith
10 Posted 04/05/2019 at 20:12:53
We fucked up at Fulham and Palace. Take your pick why we didn't quality.
Joe McMahon
11 Posted 04/05/2019 at 20:23:21
Phil, as I mentioned on another thread, Pickford at Anfield and St James Park also. Let's just hope the Anfield result doesn't give them the title.
Jim Bennings
12 Posted 04/05/2019 at 20:28:10
Well when you consider that we haven’t had a Saturday game at Goodison since when, early February, I’m not sure being in the Europa League would have made much difference to our schedule anyway.

There is much positivity about next season but seriously, if Richarlison and Sigurdsson’s goals dry up next term then we desperately need other players to step up and start scoring.

If Bernard could score five or six goals can you just imagine what kind of player he would be, he would be immense for us.

I fully expect at least one striker to be signed this summer but I’m just praying that it’s someone that can not have 10-20 league goals as there’s nothing on our books at present that you can feel assured would get anywhere near the required amount.

Tosun will no doubt head for pastures new, so too Niasse, another fella who couldn’t hit a bulls arse with a banjo while for all the good work of DCL he’s still a powderpuff inside the box, big athlete with the shooting power of a six year old girl.

Sandro needs moving on from his moving on from his disgusting high wage and the money needs using towards attempting to sign Zouma/Gomes.

Paul Birmingham
13 Posted 04/05/2019 at 20:29:37
Hopefully this will strengthen the will to succeed next season.

Mediocre finishing and the mid-season slump has cost us but high hopes for preseason.

Old Nick spawning again, the officials, need sorting out in the Premier League, they more than most, get away with murder in terms of getting off the hook. TAA, by the law should be off.

Time for the Toon to come back?

Paul Birmingham
14 Posted 04/05/2019 at 20:32:38
Jim, let's hope and pray that we do a deal and can keep Zouma and Gomes. They are key to a good spine and as we all know, we need a proper striker, who's ruthless.

No easy ask, but we trust in Marcel Brands.

Andy Crooks
15 Posted 04/05/2019 at 21:22:16
Jim, I think we have debated this before but, no player in the Premier League, or actually the fucking world, hits the ball like a six-year-old girl. If you are going to attack Dominic Calvert-Lewin, be sensible and have a look at what he is trying to do. It is not putting the goalie through the net like "Wally Brand, ball of fire".
Jim Bennings
16 Posted 04/05/2019 at 21:28:42

Well DCL is the closest thing I've seen to hitting the ball like a six-year-old girl.

Listen, the fella has come on leaps and bounds since September; at times recently, his hold-up play has been fookin brilliant, especially against Arsenal, but he's the worst finisher I have seen at Everton since Stuart Barlow and Brett Angell graced these corridors.

Maybe Dom will improve that over time, but the here and now, his finishing is a major major weakness.

David Pearl
17 Posted 04/05/2019 at 21:42:20
I think it will hinder Wolves next season. I hope if we do get the quality we need up-front – we should be trying to win the Premier League. We've spent enough the last few years that something has got to give. Next year is our year!!

A cheaper option might be Rondon as one of two forwards I'd like to bring in.

And fuck the Redshite. Come on, Man City. Don't make me go on a month's holiday.

Jim Bennings
18 Posted 04/05/2019 at 21:57:37
At the end of the day, we look back on the season and readdress the results, it's our lack of away wins that hinder us nearly every year.

We have failed to win more than five away games in a season since the 2013-14 under Martinez, recording 8 victories and finishing 5th. If only we had Crystal Palace's away form of 9 wins then we'd have finished 5th this season or near to it!

Our home form is always solid; next season, sorting the away form out is the big challenge on the pitch.

Tom Bowers
19 Posted 04/05/2019 at 22:08:32
I know it may seem trite to say but I am glad they have not made the second-rate European competition. All manner of clubs are accepted and not always on quality.

Everton should be a quality team before earning the right and they are not yet in that ballpark despite the decent finish to the season, albeit with one to go.

Next season would be better as one of little or no distraction so that Silva can have every chance to mold a quality squad and challenge for the top — not seventh!!

David Pearl
20 Posted 04/05/2019 at 22:41:04
It's a way into the Champions League though, by winning it, and Arsenal or Chelsea look like using that competition to win some silverware and qualify. We probably have more chance to win that than finish top 4.

Although, if we play to our best ability without the distraction of the Europa League, who knows what we can achieve? We did well the last month but I'm not jumping for joy that much because we caught all those teams when not on song.

Jerome Shields
21 Posted 04/05/2019 at 23:10:52
I would prefer good League Cup and FA Cup runs and progress in the Premier League next season. Not qualifying for the Europa League is no loss; Everton don't have the squad of players for it.
Phil Smith
22 Posted 04/05/2019 at 23:53:17
Playing in Europe attracts top players. If we want to get into the Champions League, then we have to regularly get into the Europa League and do well in it.
Jim Bennings
23 Posted 04/05/2019 at 00:10:24
The young players would have benefited from Europe as I don't see any of them breaking into the first team anytime soon – even Davies has regressed rather than progressed in the last 18 months, he's not ever ousting the midfield we have now.

If we had the Europa League, then this block of players like Davies etc would have been involved more.

Paul Birmingham
24 Posted 05/05/2019 at 00:44:06
Jim, agreed, experience, is important, and at top level, the best we do now, and being honest, is at U23 level, and that's the facts.

There's a dream – and it must be a real dream rather than impossible – but, if we get back into Europe next season, great – but we must win a domestic trophy as well..

Time and Bramley-Moore Dock or no stadium, the club must seize this momentum and progress.

Kieran Kinsella
25 Posted 05/05/2019 at 00:52:11
In lieu of Europe next season, I am watching Everton v Bayern Munich from 1985. If I recall correctly, the first Everton game I ever watched was the 86 FA Cup Final, so this is a first for me.

Hilarious counting the incidents that would be red cards these days half of which don't even result in a free kick.

Also funny to hear Martin Tyler say Everton fans have been “starved of success”. But the crowd noise and the pressing is reminiscent of recent home games. As is the goals from long throws, only from Stevens, not Digne.

A lot more high balls than today but the energy is similar to what we've started to see in the last few months. Here's hoping... yes! Gray just scored!

Kieran Kinsella
26 Posted 05/05/2019 at 01:03:46
Andy Crooks

Agreed. I assume Jim is using the analogy of a six-year-old girl to imply DCL hits it weakly. Now that's a charge I would level at Jeffers, not DCL.

I think DCL thus far doesn't get himself into the best positions to finish it. Partly, that is because he is smart and unselfish and always looking for a team mate with a higher percentage shot.

Ultimately if he is to be our main man, he will need to improve his goal scoring. But I think he's a good lad with a lot of talent so I do tire of people using him as a whipping boy.

Franny Porter
27 Posted 05/05/2019 at 01:16:41
Zouma, Gomes, Trippier, Arnautovic.

Baines on a one year.

Random back up goalie from somewhere.

Bolasie, Stekelenburg, Niasse, Tosun, Sandro and Jagielka to go.

(I've just done more than Steve Walsh ever did but for 100% less money.)

Jim Bennings
28 Posted 05/05/2019 at 09:05:47

Arnautovic wouldn't come here – he's a mercenary who plays for himself.

Zouma and Gomes we badly need and a striker capable of 15-20 goals.

Derek Knox
29 Posted 05/05/2019 at 10:10:01
Jim @28, spot on there with Arnautovic, Franny have a word with yourself.

We want younger players who will grow into the squad being built. I would love to have Tammy Abrahams but, as with Zouma, the Chelsea Transfer Ban / Appeal / Ownership issues exist. He has proved he can do it in the Premier League (Swansea) and has been prolific everywhere he has been, Bristol City and Aston Villa.

Again, as with Zouma, do Chelsea value him, he has been loaned out at least 3 times.

Ray Smith
30 Posted 05/05/2019 at 10:44:19
I’m hopeful that we can sign Gomes and Zouma.

All the media talk and hype is coming externally.

Brands is keeping his powder dry, and I’m sure he is doing all he can to provide Marco with the signings he and we want.

You hear very little from within and that’s good enough for me.

We have to be patient and see what transpires.

Ajay Gopal
31 Posted 05/05/2019 at 11:09:57
Everton have a goal difference of +8 versus +3 for Wolves. IMO, GD is better marker to determine the strengths of teams. The table positions are what they are and I don’t dispute that, but based on the GD metric, I think Everton are ‘best of the rest’. A good launch pad for next season.
Kevin Prytherch
32 Posted 05/05/2019 at 11:16:48
Ajay - I agree there.

When we finished 4th on a minus goal difference, we weren't the 4th best team in the league. The goal difference showed that. You often see teams that finish high in the league with a poor goal difference struggle the next season.

Sam Hoare
33 Posted 05/05/2019 at 11:26:57
I wanted Europe but bear in mind how our vast improvement for the final third of the season happened after Silva got a sustained period on the training pitch to coach his players. Europe would severely hamper Silva's time to coach and improve this team both in pre-season and throughout the season. He will likely have a bunch of new players to work with and, though I always want Europe, I think Silva having more time with the players could make us a serious force.

Players-wise, I reckon we will keep Gomes but be unable to get Zouma. I wish it was the other way around. The defense has been key to our resurgence recently and I hope Brands will prioritise getting a pacy defender (similar to Zouma) who can bed in quickly. Ibrahim Konate is my pick but look out for my annual transfer article in a week or two!

Andy Meighan
34 Posted 05/05/2019 at 11:33:33
David #20,

You sound like a Sky panellist! We were excellent in the 2nd half vs Chelsea and brilliant against Arsenal and Man Utd, plus we breezed through the Burnley game. I'd say it was nothing to do with how bad we caught them – more how bad we made them look.

As Jim rightly says, the away form is an issue that needs addressing; get that sorted and carry our home form of the last couple of months on and we will be flying...

James Hughes
35 Posted 05/05/2019 at 11:58:38
Next week will be the test of where we are. The past few weeks have been a revelation and so have the clean sheets.

Spurs away is always a tricky game but they are having a meltdown at the moment. Coming away with all 3 points would show that maybe we have something solid here. For all the talk of making a challenge on the top clubs, well, we won't get a better chance than next week. My thoughts on Silva are still mixed.

I would love to see Zouma sign for us but that is out of our hands. Chelsea may go political with him and refuse to sell to us as he improves our defence. After all, why help a rival?

Paul A Smith
36 Posted 05/05/2019 at 13:09:22
A personal positive from missing out on the Europa League being I don't need to subscribe to BT Sport. And if there is one positive from them lot possibly winning the title, it is the fact I have finally had it with favouritism from media and pundits and virtually watch no Sky or BBC TV now.

I would rather YouTube a more honest beIN Sports analysis of any game nowadays.

No longer am I contributing to their agendas, thus making life harder for my club.

Jay Harris
37 Posted 05/05/2019 at 14:53:53
On another note, I am on the fence about Chelsea winning their appeal.

If they do, there's a chance Zouma will sign but, if they don't, we've got no chance. However, on a more positive note, they will be weakened by their inability to sign players and we will have less competition for quality additions.

I agree with Jim about DCL. He has a great attitude and holds the ball up well and wins most headers but he isn't the prolific goalscorer we need.

Rob Halligan
38 Posted 05/05/2019 at 15:07:21
Jay, the worry for me is, whether Chelsea win their appeal of not, they will have noticed how well Zouma has played for us and will want him back anyway.
Sam Hoare
39 Posted 05/05/2019 at 15:46:16
The one negative of our upturn in form over last few months is that it has reminded Chelsea (and other clubs) how good Zouma can be. I'd say there's less than a 10% chance of him being an Everton player next season. He's been a revelation and their other centre-back options include the injured Rudiger, the ageing Luiz and the uninspiring Christensen.
Mike Williams
40 Posted 05/05/2019 at 19:27:42
I'm indifferent about the Europa League qualification. It would have been nice if we'd got it, but I see the positives of not getting it which have already been mentioned.

Good article from the Burnley lot below. Respecting the holy trinity. Worth a read.


Martin Berry
41 Posted 05/05/2019 at 20:00:04
Let the teams above us tire themselves with their European slog whilst we can purely concentrate on getting farther up the Premier League table.

With new players and an improving team maybe the timing is just right so we can hit the ground running in 20-21. Non-qualification this season could be a blessing in disguise.

Jon Ferguson
42 Posted 05/05/2019 at 20:23:00
My understanding is that, if Arsenal finish 5th (which is looking likely) and win the Europa League (which is a possibility), then they qualify for the Champions League and their Europa League place goes to 8th place (ie, us). Is this not right?
Derek Taylor
43 Posted 05/05/2019 at 20:38:16
So, Martin.... we can improve enough to "tire ourselves out with a European slog" the season after? Bloody daft analysis, if you think about it!
Stan Schofield
44 Posted 05/05/2019 at 22:40:40
The fact that we're not in Europe next season will obviously make things easier in competing in the domestic competitions, which can be seen as very convenient. Not being stretched by Europe will help us achieve a higher place in the Premier League, thereby increasing our chances of being in the Champions League the season after.

Rather than lamenting the fact, we must use not being in Europe as an opportunity to aid domestic progression. Glass half full.

Kevin Prytherch
45 Posted 05/05/2019 at 22:54:25
Jon - afraid not. We’d just have 2 in the europa.
Anthony Murphy
46 Posted 05/05/2019 at 23:25:07
Agree Stan, let’s have a proper go at both domestic trophies. I hope Silva has learnt from this season - esp from the League cup. Ending the run of 25 years without silverware needs to be the priority.
47 Posted 05/05/2019 at 23:33:40
I would only be interested in this competition if we played a team full of promising young layers like we did under Moyes. However unlike Moyes do not revert to a well used failed plan should you get to the knockout phase. Otherwise best avoided unless feel good enough to use as back door entry to Champions league. Although the last team to do that looked pretty inept when the going got tough in the Champions league with the manager subsequently removed by the players and fans.
Matt Woods
48 Posted 06/05/2019 at 00:39:12
Don't worry about the Europa League. Great for continental piss ups and possibly entry for the CL but I think it is a season too early for this developing team/squad.
I don't believe top players are bothered about playing in it, indeed the players we need should be aiming higher.
Two seasons ago Klopp chucked a game against WBA for a draw and 8th to avoid the El quaqmire. The result was a concentrated assault on the top four and they made it.
He continues to chuck games that get in the way of his ambition. Whilst I don't agree with disrespecting the FA Cup he completely looks at the big picture for progress.
Next season I would love us to develop away from the EL and really kick on and find some genuine consistency. I feel this summer is better served with disciplined team building and generating the right environment to make the next step up.
Over to you Farad, Marcel and Marco.
Bobby Mallon
49 Posted 06/05/2019 at 05:28:23
I must be missing something. We finished 8th after playing in the europa league and are about to finish 8/9th without playing in it. What makes people think next season will be different?
Alan J Thompson
50 Posted 06/05/2019 at 06:28:17
Bobby(#49); While I agree with you in wondering the difference between seasons, the belief that next season will be improved, rather than different, is not just the reshuffle throughout the club's management level but by the continuation with the coaching staff.
Oh, and the eternal optimism of the faithful which, as the season progresses, gets ToffeeWeb the reputation of persistent whinging.

All we need now is for Bill to say that while he is standing down but always ready to assist, he will be maintaining his season ticket.

Bobby Mallon
51 Posted 06/05/2019 at 07:24:25
Alan @50 😂😂
Dan Nulty
52 Posted 06/05/2019 at 11:21:48
Anybody else keep being diverted to a scam Aldi wheel spin site when on ToffeeWeb?
Rob Halligan
53 Posted 06/05/2019 at 11:32:30
I do Dan. When you try and close it down it defaults to another one. After a few attempts though it finally disappears. The worry is, it says for me "every Wednesday and Friday ten lucky people have been selected to win a prize". It's been happening for a couple of weeks now.
Simon Smith
54 Posted 06/05/2019 at 13:53:50
I'd have loved us to take 7th spot, many of our young lads need it, and imo deserve it especially as many of them have been successful of late with England u20s aswel as as our own 23s.

But if were all honest both Wolves and Watford deserve it more than us.

Wolves because they've been so good after coming up, and Watford because we took there manager and one of there star men.

Tom Bowers
55 Posted 06/05/2019 at 17:56:50
Sadly Wolves have nothing to play for when they take on RS in the last game. Hopefully City will take care of business.
David Pearl
56 Posted 07/05/2019 at 13:13:04
Yes Dan. Happens every now and again unfortunately
Kev Lucas
57 Posted 09/05/2019 at 14:10:39
I know it's been debated, but personally I love European away days. With sensible investment, I believe our squad would be able to cope. So for me, missing out on qualifying for Europe was a big disappointment.

But by the looks of it, it may be back on... If Arsenal win the Europa League, then it seems 8th will go into Europe. It seems complicated but at least 2 websites seem to confirm it. A draw/win against a hopefully depleted Spurs team should see us finish 8th.

So, apart from obviously supporting us, I'll now be rooting for Brighton, Spurs and Arsenal for 1 game only.

Rob Halligan
58 Posted 09/05/2019 at 14:17:04
Kev, sadly I don't think that will apply. Should arsenal win the EL then only two places are allocated to England in next season's EL, while we would have five in the CL.
Bill Ben
59 Posted 09/05/2019 at 14:56:53
re Europa Cup, I was lead to believe that the English FA were allowed 3 spots in next year's Europa Cup; being the FA Cup winners, 5th place and 6th place. if Man City wins FA cup then 7th gets their place. I am assuming that if Arsenal win the Europa and go to CL then their place goes to 8th place ? not wishing to start an arguement but the only counter arguement is that if Arsenal win and go to CL, does that mean their Europa place go to a different FA if England has 5 CL places ? this is fairly remote in any case, ie Arsenal winning the Europa Cup !
Steve Carse
60 Posted 09/05/2019 at 15:47:19
I don't think there is provision for a PL replacement should Arsenal win it. Strange there isn't really. Given all the crap that's in it, I'd have thought UEFA and all participating countries would welcome an extra club from the top league in the world.
Rob Halligan
61 Posted 09/05/2019 at 16:31:58
Bill, it's normally the 5th place in the league, the league cup and FA cup winners who qualify for the Europa league. As man city won the league cup, this entitles 6th place in the league to qualify. If man city win the FA Cup then 7th place qualifies. However should Watford win the FA Cup then they, and not Wolves, who will finish 7th, will qualify for the Europa league.

The way I see it, If Arsenal win this season's Europa league they will qualify for next season's champions league, and England will only have two EL places, and five in the CL. Should Chelsea win the EL, and because they are guaranteed top four place anyway, we will only have four CL places and three EL places. The top six as it stands now, are guaranteed European football next season, with the final place going to Watford or Wolves.

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