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Mike Gaynes
1 Posted 07/07/2020 at 17:23:55
I had not heard about the Dixie Dean statue. Details, please?
Gerry Quinn
2 Posted 07/07/2020 at 18:11:42
Mike, look down the home page to "Dean statue disrespected..."
Gerry Quinn
3 Posted 07/07/2020 at 18:12:20
In "CLUB NEWS" section
Dennis Stevens
4 Posted 07/07/2020 at 18:14:01
Dean's statue was brightened up with a nice red flare, Mike.
Dennis Stevens
5 Posted 07/07/2020 at 18:26:57
Hear! Hear! Steve. I hope Carlo uses these remaining matches to assess the squad & weed out those who aren't up for the fight. I don't mind whether their primary motivation is their commitment to the Club or their own self respect & professional pride, but too many seem to be lacking across the board.
Danny ONeill
6 Posted 07/07/2020 at 19:07:28
"People may disagree with my choices but I'm struggling to see long-term futures for Iwobi, Bernard, Sidibe, Tom Davies, Walcott, Delph, Tosun and even Pickford now".

Don't disagree with any of that Steve. I lost faith in Pickford some time ago. His temperament just isn't showing signs of changing. The one place on the pitch you want calmness and decision making; his tendency to routinely have a rush of blood causing a brain fart is concerning and almost cost us against Leicester.

Player surgery aside, the other priority is to change the mentality. Many a manager can do great things with decent players if they can induce the right winning mentality into them. We haven't had that in years hence our submissive shows against the "big" clubs.

Mike Gaynes
7 Posted 07/07/2020 at 19:26:16
Thanks, Gerry.
Danny ONeill
8 Posted 07/07/2020 at 20:39:47
Try this link Mike:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news/dixie-dean-statue-fire-everton-police-goodison-park-police-cctv-video-a9604966.html

Spared you the Liverpool (FC) Echo one as it has become the worst site ever for adverts to the point it is unusable, even more so than other newspaper websites.

Patrick McFarlane
9 Posted 07/07/2020 at 21:29:41
Having gained another season in the Premier League following the victory over Leicester, it would appear that our players have reverted to type and decided to focus on other things away from football, probably because they have possibly received a bonus for staving off the drop.

Everton has become the perfect place for the never good enough for the higher echelon types and the ambitious younger player who can attract a better contract elsewhere.

I'm uncertain whether this deep seated culture can be changed, but I am, like most blues pretty fed up of seeing it play out season after season. I asked a mate of mine why is it that Everton very rarely get an unexpected victory, he replied 'well they did beat Norwich away' sums it up really.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
10 Posted 07/07/2020 at 21:55:29
It has moved on - but the team of Howard, Coleman, Jagielka, Distin, Baines, Pineaar, Cahill, Fellaini, Osman, Hibbert, Carsley and somebody to score a goal or two had a lot more character than the current squad.

They may not have been as gifted as the current squad but I reckon they would have won 4 times in 5 against them because they were more determined. But to be fair, if I was earning £5,200,000 a year guaranteed, what motivation would I have.

Derek Thomas
11 Posted 07/07/2020 at 23:46:05
Millions spent and we have 7 players that should never kick a ball in a blue shirt again, plus probably the goalie, plus, well who knows. Yet in the U23s there is only Anthony Gordon who, on a good day, can get the odd run.
I also doubt we even have enough bucks in stock to stop on the amount of desks at Finch Farm and The Liver Buildings where all this should be sorted.


Jay Harris
12 Posted 07/07/2020 at 23:49:04
Steve,
I believe Carlo made a few decisions early doors and is himself going through the motions right now until we get the hub of any decent team sorted out.

I can live with the back 4 for another season although it would be nice to get a replacement for Sidibe,

I can also live with DCL and Richy up front but if Richy keeps getting the treatment Spurs dished out he is likely to end up in the treatment room qquite a bit.

I don't rate Pickford at all he is a total liability. He makes occasional exceptional saves but for me he does not command his area or organize his defence. He is certainly no Neville Southall now nor in the future.

I believe we need at least 2 and preferrably 3 top class MF players..

The shameful way our MF gets rolled over tome and again since Gueyses departure raises many questions about the way our club is run. Added to that the lack of goals contributed by anyone in MF and a blind man can see where our recruitment funds need to be concentrated.

I just worry that if we don't show signs of challenging for Europe anytime sonn we will not attract the calibre of players we need despite the CArlo factor.

Alan J Thompson
13 Posted 08/07/2020 at 06:03:08
It's a shame that Dowell is out on loan as from all reports he couldn't tackle any less than Sigurdsson or Gomes and has shown a decent amount of skill and especially at this time when there is nothing to lose.

Baningime, Davies, Dowell and Gordon as a midfield for the last 5 games might have produced an eerie silence amid the distant howling.

Michael O'Malley
14 Posted 08/07/2020 at 06:08:14
I 100% agree about Pickford, a total liability and unnecessary signing, is he really a £30 million upgrade on Robles? I don’t remember Joel making as many high profile mistakes that this clown makes,he is an embarrassment the way he throws himself around at shots that are going wide and laughing when he inevitably cocks up, I don’t think I’ve disliked a player as much as I do this imposter
Alan J Thompson
15 Posted 08/07/2020 at 06:29:19
Michael(#14); While I thought Robles could have been given more games, are you saying you don't remember him sliding around on his knees, forever sticking a leg out instead of using his hands, giving away silly penalties or helping Stones give Watford an equaliser with 30 seconds to go for halftime?

We have more pressing problems at the moment than England's goalkeeper.

Tony Heron
16 Posted 08/07/2020 at 08:04:13
Steve, I fully agree with your list of players to be binned. I cant help but compare the other night with the story of " The Emperor's new clothes ", with Gary Nevilles comments the reality of what Everton have been for some time, but what we've all been trying to ignore as we put our trust in Carlo to lead us into a bright new dawn. It ain't going to happen without major surgery. Finally how Pickford is considered the best English keeper is absolutely beyond me, I think Nevilles called that right too.
Mike Kehoe
17 Posted 08/07/2020 at 08:11:34
Carlo will have identified his targets and those He inherited that don’t fit his plan, so hopefully Brands can make things happen. I don’t like to underestimate Brands as he got actual money for Davey Classen, as poor as any shocker to have [dis]graced the club in recent years.

Inevitably following so many managerial changes there seems a lot of players used out of position: Sigurdsson is never going to be a ball winner but his apparent apathy must not be tolerated, particularly at the expense of youth; I hope to see Beni, Davies and Gordon start against Southampton and given a proper run. As for Pickford, I feel replacing him is a priority as the spine of the team will always be vulnerable to his moments of comical mirth and mayhem.
I think we all know the players that simply aren’t good enough but getting rid will take time. We now have a truly top manager in place and money. Man City wasn’t built in a day.

Mike Allison
18 Posted 08/07/2020 at 08:39:44
We won’t get better by constantly turning over players.

We’ll get better by continuity, belief, identity, desire, team spirit and all the other hard to define or quantify elements that make a team become more or less than the sum of its parts. These things develop when you keep a group of players together and create a sense of camaraderie and will to win. They change players completely from looking lost and clueless to sharp and purposeful.

We definitely need new players, two, perhaps even three midfielders, but anyone who thinks our problems will be solved with transfers hasn’t been paying attention for the last three years. Our problems are caused by transfers.

Mal van Schaick
19 Posted 08/07/2020 at 08:45:39
No ifs or buts we need a midfield cull. No reprieves because those who have occupied midfield places have had their chance.

If we really have ambitions for the top four, we won’t achieve it with the current midfield players.

Eddie Dunn
20 Posted 08/07/2020 at 08:54:32
Steve I agree with most of the names on your black list. The reason for the apparent apathy is a combination of the realisation in the squad that Europa is beyond them(with Arsenal,Spurs, Wolves etc all better placed.
The other thing is that quite a few including Sigurdsson and Bernard have probably clicked that they will be ushed out of the door very soon.
The sight of Iwobi shitting-out of challenges in successive games and Sigurdsson doing the same shows that these guys fear injury which would complicate any transfer deals.
The coach feels (like Silva did before) that to justify the club's high salaries, we should at least play the recipients and if they a kept in the first team, then there might be a club out there foolish enough to actually pay money for one of them.
I wouldn't put Davies or Pickford on that list by the way, simply because Tom has shown endeavour in every game bar one. He is inconsistent, like many lads of his age but will improve. Pickford has actually done well since Lockdown. All keepers make the odd little error.
There are plenty of problems without picking on our goalie.
Andrew Ellams
21 Posted 08/07/2020 at 09:04:42
I struggle to see how this can be fixed. There is no way all of the deadwood can be replaced in a single window and how would we attract better players to a club battling for a top half finish?

Gomes should be given a huge kick up the backside, shown a video of Loftus-Cheek's 30 minute cameo for Chelsea last night and told that's what you are here for.

Tom Dodds
22 Posted 08/07/2020 at 09:15:58
1,We need better scouts.( to go the find a hidden gem way) OR..

2.We need loads of dosh to pay for proven players. ie like city/utd/lpool buying the 50/80/70 mill players selectively each season till their teams are loctited.

3.The Premiership top 6 is a ruthless,mercenary corperative entity that dosen’t take ANY passengers.
so Evertonian wishlisting is a waste of thought processes.Its mathematically as simple as that.)

4.Get shut of the greatest Evertonian in the entire Galaxy (And beyond), Bill Wormtongue.

Mike Doyle
23 Posted 08/07/2020 at 09:29:38
Agree with most points posters have made. The primary focus has to be midfield - players with ability, a desire to win and a level of ‘narkiness’. The fact that, At present, the only one we have who seems to tick these boxes is Holgate underlined the extent of the problem.
I still think a centre half with pace is also a priority, otherwise we will spend another season defending deep to accommodate Micheal Kean. This will cause problems for any new midfield players.
Obviously Carlo will be aware of this- plus plenty of other issues we haven’t noticed. How long it takes to resolve them is another matter.
Rob Halligan
24 Posted 08/07/2020 at 09:46:54
It certainly will be the last rites if, according to the red echo, we are interested in Phil Jones and Lingard from man Utd. FFS, imagine signing those two because man Utd are bound to think of offering them in part exchange plus cash for Richarlison. Probably just the usual shite from the red echo, and clearly not the players Ancelotti will want. Phil Jones?, FFS I think he's slower than Sigurdsson and that's saying something!!
Ray Roche
25 Posted 08/07/2020 at 09:52:19
Calm down Rob, I saw a different report this morning linking Lingard and Jones to WHU and Moyes. No doubt the North East news will have them going to the Barcodes in a swap for Longstaffe.
It’s some Manc journo doing his best to stimulate interest in two donkeys.
Joe McMahon
26 Posted 08/07/2020 at 09:57:10
Agreed Rob, Phil Jones is a huge backward step.

Agree on comments above that having to defend deep to accommodate Michael Keane is asking for trouble. He's improved but hes no Rio Ferdinand. Does bring a smile to my face thinking of when Moyes asked Ferdinand to defend certain situations like Jagielka does.

Andrew Ellams
27 Posted 08/07/2020 at 10:18:40
I do wonder if we had a back four that was capable of playing a higher line would we see a better player in Tom Davies.

To me he always looks a better player when he gets the opportunity to drive the ball at the opposition's defensive players rather than shielding his own on the edge of the penalty area.

Brian Harrison
28 Posted 08/07/2020 at 10:41:23
All we have done since Kendalls first spell is buy mainly rejects from the top 6 or took a gamble on a player who had done well in a struggling team. This policy was because we had no money so it was our only way of improving the team. Certainly Moyes was probably the best at spotting talent and his return on players bought and sold was quite remarkable. I don't see apart from DCL and Richarlison seeing us make a profit on many of the players that Walsh or Brands have bought for the club.

But I thought when we got Moshiri on board we would start to see us buy better quality players, but that hasnt been the case. We are still buying players who either failed to impress at Barcelona, or young up and coming players like Sandro and Lookman and Onyekuro. While still managing to buy Bolasie and Sigurdsson for huge amounts from clubs below us.

I would hope that we now use Ancelottis wide range of knowledge from managing in Italy and Spain, to bring in the quality that so far has been lacking. I have said many times on this forum that I don't like the influence that a DOF has, and I know that is now the model used by most Premier league clubs. But to me its like spending a fortune on a new restaurant and getting a 3 star Michelon Chef to run it, but let one of the kitchen staff go and buy the ingredients and write the menu. Certainly so far under Walsh it was a complete disaster and Brands hasn't done much better, can anyone name another player other than Digne who we would get more money for than what we paid, and don't mention Richarlison that deal was down to Marco Silva not a DOF.

Kim Vivian
29 Posted 08/07/2020 at 10:48:25
Slightly off topic but I have to agree with Danny @8. The echo site really is a pile of (red)shite. Even gets past adblocker somehow.
Andrew Ellams
30 Posted 08/07/2020 at 10:50:53
Brian I can't argue with any of that. The only Brands/Walsh player we would definitely get a return on would be Bernard as he was signed on a free transfer (or as close as you can get to a free transfer in modern football).

Although if we sold Pickford this summer there is a good chance we would, but I fear he will lose his England place next season and his stock will fall.

Brian Harrison
31 Posted 08/07/2020 at 11:00:51
Andrew

Yes forgot about Bernard coming on a free, although I think the word free doesnt include what we paid his agent or what we paid him as a signing on fee. I remember Simon Jordan who owned Palace saying he went to sign a player on a so called free and the players agent wanted £9.5 million and the player wanted something similar as a signing on fee. Yes probably Pickford might go for more than we paid, but like you I agree he could probably lose his England place which would have an effect on his price should he be sold.

Kevin Prytherch
32 Posted 08/07/2020 at 11:15:58
What do we honestly think we’d get in transfers for our rejects?? I’d hazard a guess at below..

Pickford £20million
Iwobi £10million
Sigurdsson £6million
Walcott £4million
Delph £0
Bernard £8million

We already know there’s no takers for Sandro, Bolasie and Besic, so they’ll all be free.

I reckon there’s 9 players there who we signed for a total of around £170 million, who we wouldn’t even get £50million for.

Michael O'Malley
33 Posted 08/07/2020 at 11:28:36
Alan @15 I’m not saying Joel wasn’t prone to a clanger but Pickford is at least one a game, it’s the childish way he then reacts after the mistakes which annoys people, I honestly think Pickford is just bang average and all we done was replace an average keeper with a £30 million average keeper
Jack Convery
34 Posted 08/07/2020 at 11:43:40
I blame the staff who carry out the medicals on the players, prior to us buying them. How can you miss the fact that a player has NO BALLS !!
Stephen Vincent
35 Posted 08/07/2020 at 12:25:37
I would get rid of Pickford. If Chelsea do want him, and it's a huge if, but let's play the game for a bit, they paid £72m for Kepa, who isn't even Spain's number one, so you could expect a substantial fee for Pickford. Let's say Zouma plus £20m. That sorts out the centre of defence. Put the £20m towards Mat Ryan at Brighton, a solid no nonsense experienced international with Prem stats way better than Pickford's and still only 28. (I would move Holgate into centre mid, but that's another post).

But the problem is far deeper than that. Tom Dodds @22 point 4 has the rights of it. Brands and Walsh didn't loose their abilities overnight. Remember Brands won a championship with Alkmaar and three with PSV and a Dutch Cup and unearthed a lot of talent along the way. Walsh won Leicester's first title and found the likes of Vardy, Mahrez and Kante.

Mark my words we will get no where until Buffalo Bill is completely gone and devoid of all influence.

George Carroll
36 Posted 08/07/2020 at 13:57:07
The last sentence of Stephen's post at 35 sums up the problem at Everton perfectly.

Let our present CEO look after the charity side and let's get a football CEO in.

Dick Fearon
37 Posted 08/07/2020 at 14:05:35
Given an extended run in the first team could Moise Kean do worse than DCLs average of one shot at goal per game?
Kevin Prytherch
38 Posted 08/07/2020 at 15:51:53
Stephen 35 - I would say it’s less to do with Kenwright and more to do with available funds.

Both Walsh and Brands has success working on a budget, then they come to a club where money is less of an object and, instead of continuing to look for the bargains that made them so successful, they start looking ‘upmarket’ and probably a bit lazier.

It’s akin to shopping at Aldi, then shopping at Waitrose. Half of the stuff is the same quality but you end up paying a premium price based on a superior perception.

Derek Taylor
39 Posted 08/07/2020 at 16:06:57
What amazes me is that even today Carlo is clinging to the hope of that Europa spot. True, he says the Spurs result has made things more difficult. More like bloody impossible, I would have said !

Of course, he can't come out and say he's inherited a crap side as their are five games left to play but if he continues to send these shirkers into the midfield battle, some of us may well lose what little faith we had in him when he grabbed Moshiri's family pension fund.

As someone remarked yesterday Everton is the new Sunderland - a rest home for bludgers ! !

Julian Exshaw
40 Posted 08/07/2020 at 17:06:49
Do we have 'bad' players? I don't think so. I think what we have is good players who either don't give a damn ( which I hope is not true) or who are badly coached/prepared (given Ancelotti's history, that's hard to believe). So what is it? I tend to look at the former as the answer. I work in adult education, teaching mainly men in their 20s and 30s. I have noticed a huge difference in attitude in the last 20 years. With every year that passes they are becoming lazier, more obsessed and reliant on social media and the internet's host of labour and intellect- reducing apps. It is a malaise of society which could well be penetrating footballers. Were our heroes of the Kendall era more talented than the players we have now? Probably not. But what they did have in abundance compared to today's footballers was an attitude, a 'sell your own granny to win' desire that is missing today.
As fans we can forgive a lot but what we can never overlook is a lack of effort, the 110% factor.
I believe that the players of today in some way are a victim of today's world. It's all too easy, there's far too much money being paid for far too little desire. It's hard to see a way out.
Brent Stephens
41 Posted 08/07/2020 at 17:20:54
Julian, yes I think we see that total effort in the likes of Sheffield United. No big names or costly signings but always 100%.
Stephen Vincent
42 Posted 08/07/2020 at 17:43:19
Julian, you may be right, but the world has changed as far as expectations go and our perception of celebrity.

The Premier League elevated footballers to film star status and as a consequence the fans of the pre Premier League era morphed into worshippers as football became sexy.

I remember that prior to our successful 80's period the fans voted with their feet. Our attendance for the Coventry home game at the very end of 1983 was around 13,000 and only half of those stayed to the end. If we could go to watch football next week, in spite of the uninspiring performances against Norwich and Leicester and the spineless capitulation at Spurs there would still be close to 40,000 worshipers at Goodison for the Southampton game and while that is the norm very ordinary players like Sigurdsson and Iwobi will continue to get away with it and the fans will continue to be ripped off.

As someone who was a fan and is now a worshiper, I can't say I like the shift but perhaps circumstances are returning control to us. Just maybe.

Mike Corcoran
43 Posted 08/07/2020 at 17:45:55
A reminder of 86/87, unbelievable
https://youtu.be/3Kzp6k15Syk
Mike Corcoran
44 Posted 08/07/2020 at 17:45:55
A reminder of 86/87, unbelievable
https://youtu.be/3Kzp6k15Syk
Bill Gall
45 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:11:15
Just finished watching games from this afternoon.

Verdict: Pope of Burnley will definitely replace Pickford in the England squad, he has complete command of his area; Sheffield Utd just put hopes of Everton in Europe on the shelf. The work ethic of both Sheffield and Wolves players is about 90% higher than Everton's players.

Supporters of Everton who say they can't believe they we below Burnley in the league, now have Tottenham supporters saying the same.

Watching other teams, it really opens your eyes of how poor and slow Everton have become. Next season can't come quick enough and hopefully Everton will have brought in midfielders who can move quicker than jogging pace and can tackle.

Dick Fearon
46 Posted 09/07/2020 at 00:41:33
The unmentionables with one or two passes achieve what takes our lot a dozen or more passes and usually includes at least a couple back to Pickford.

Modern football is played at a much faster tempo than in Carlo's hey day. He needs to speed up his training and game plan or we can forget trophies.

Jay Harris
47 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:42:59
Dick that would be the same Carlo that less than 12 months ago beat the RS at Anfield with tactics.
Danny Broderick
48 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:59:28
Never mind keeper. It’s our midfield that needs sorting. Swap our midfield for Sheff United’s and we’d be in the mix for the top 6. Pickford makes mistakes and needs to settle down, but let’s not miss the elephant in the room - midfield. 2/3 decent midfielders would transform us dramatically. Our current midfielders don’t score, create assists or tackle! That is where our problem is!
Jerome Shields
49 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:42:23
Statues are historical good and bad. Of course there can massive public support not to erect Status which he right. Those that have remained for years enable people to find out the History and about the person or persons they stand for.

Those that attack them have a current agenda, which they wish to promote good or bad, but unfortunately with the joint aim of suppressing anyone elses opinion that is the opposite to theirs, throughout the ages.

If they have a good agenda they should confident that it will stand up to scrutiny, when compared. The more people that know about the subject by referencing the statue, the more their agenda is strengthened.

In the case of a clearly bad agenda, like the attack on the Dixie Dean Statue just shows you what is out there in the twisted minds of some people.

Clive Rogers
50 Posted 10/07/2020 at 17:39:08
I agree with most of the post, but not about the pairing of our two strikers. They are not the future and I wouldn’t back them to score many goals. To me they have never looked comfortable together, interaction between the two has been minimal. This has been even more so since restart and particularly the last two games in which there has been virtually zero interaction. Calvert-Lewin has now not scored in his last 6 games and doesn’t look like doing so. He has never looked like a natural finisher. Greenwood, Vardy and Ings have been banging them in since restart. I accept our strikers are feeding off scraps from our midfielders. Even so, DCL just doesn’t look the part to me. When does he ever take the last man on? In the last 5 games he has not threatened the goal at all.
Michael O'Malley
51 Posted 11/07/2020 at 07:35:54
Clive @50, spot-on about Calvert-Lewin, and we've done the usual Everton thing if rewarding him with a 5-year contract cos he had a purple patch!

Oh but he puts himself about and never stops running, isn't that the bare minimum we expect of a player? He has improved but I don't think there was a need for the long contract and improved wages at this stage of his career.

Ian Bennett
52 Posted 11/07/2020 at 08:05:04
You could have Messi and Ronaldo up-front for all the difference it would make.

The midfield is incapable of tackling, dribbling, scoring or playing a positive pass. In Monty Python terms, this midfield is dead.

The defence is so slow, we have to defend the 18-yard box. And even then your heart is in your mouth. Holgate has potential, Digne is decent, and Coleman has been loyal but the rest are rubbish.

Is Calvert-Lewin top class? No, but which top striker would come and play in front of that shite? The last one is in Milan currently and the one before that is in his late 50s...

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