PFA say lost tax on 30% paycut would impact NHS

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PFA chief Gordon Taylor

As the issue over pay in football, both in terms of non-playing staff and the Premier League's highly-paid stars becomes an increasingly hot topic of media conversation, the Professional Footballers' Association is arguing that the Exchequer stands to lose in excess of £200m in lost tax revenue if players are forced to take a 30% pay cut.

While the coronavirus pandemic continues to push out the date on which matches can resume in England, top-flight clubs, the PFA and the League Managers Association have been in talks over how to proceed as pressure grows on players to accept either reduced salaries or agree to defer their pay to help clubs up and down the football pyramid through what is now an increasingly uncertain financial landscape.

The future of a number of lower-division teams who rely on matchday income to survive has already been a cause of grave concern but a statement yesterday from Burnley Chairman, Mike Garlick, where he stressed that if the remainder of the 2019-20 season is lost, his club we will run out of money by August, shows that even Premier League clubs are at risk if the shutdown continues for months to come.

The Premier League argues that a 30% pay cut would cover the shortfall in lost broadcast revenue that would need to be paid back to domestic and overseas broadcasters but the PFA, led by its chief executive, Gordon Taylor, say that taxes that could go towards bolstering the National Health Service during a time of unprecedented strain would be lost in that instance.

Meanwhile, The Mirror are reporting that players themselves are organising themselves via WhatsApp to push back against the proposals, insisting that if they are to have their wages cut, either permanently or deferred over 12 months, they want the money to go to charities rather than "back to wealthy club owners"

Former Everton player, Wayne Rooney, has argued against a blanket wage cut, saying that it would affect players in different ways.

“I get that players are well paid and could give up money,” he said in the Sunday Times, “but this should be getting done on a case-by-case basis.

"Clubs should be sitting down with each player and explaining what savings it needs to survive. Players would accept that.

"One player might say, ‘I can afford a 30 per cent cut'; another might say, ‘I can only afford 5 per cent.'

"Personally, I'd have no problem with some of us paying more. I don't think that would cause any dressing room problems."

The PFA discussions come against the backdrop of at least five clubs, Liverpool among them, taking advantage of a taxpayer-backed Government scheme to furlough non-playing staff for the time being. Everton have resolved to pay their staff through the crisis, although employees in the Everton One and Everton Two club shops are reportedly facing furlough by Fanatics, the company that runs them, despite urging from the Blues' hierarchy to continue their wages.

The PFA released a statement today, saying:

All Premier League players want to, and will, play their part in making significant financial contributions in these unprecedented times.

Going forward, we are working together to find a solution which will be continually reviewed in order to assess the circumstance of the COVID-19 crisis.

The players are mindful that as PAYE employees, the combined tax on their salaries is a significant contribution to funding essential public services — which are especially critical at this time.

Taking a 30 percent salary deduction will cost the Exchequer substantial sums. This would be detrimental to our NHS and other government-funded services.

The proposed 30 per cent salary deduction over a 12-month period equates to over £500m in wage reductions and a loss in tax contributions of over £200m to the government.

What effect does this loss of earning to the government mean for the NHS? Was this considered in the Premier League proposal and did the Health Secretary, Matt Hancock factor this in when asking players to take a salary cut?

 

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Tony Everan
1 Posted 04/04/2020 at 20:43:32
“Liverpool furlough some non-playing staff”

The money FSG have been raking in the last few seasons then this. Shame on them.

Wouldn’t be surprised to see a tyre screeching u-turn on this tomorrow morning and an expertly crafted excuse from their PR department.

Too late, their colours have been nailed to the mast.

Steve Ferns
2 Posted 04/04/2020 at 20:58:09
The dark side living up to their name today. Are we still the only side to have committed to paying our non-playing staff or is this news going under the radar in times of grave concern?
Patrick McFarlane
3 Posted 04/04/2020 at 22:08:04
I can't imagine that the crowd over the road will be celebrating a PR coup with their decision to furlough 'some' non-playing staff, but they won't get as much grief as we would have from their mates in the media – probably tomorrow they will reverse the decision saying it was an admin error and get plaudits for doing the right thing.

The next decade or so may not be the best time for any party to be in government, there's going to be massive fall-out from this tragic health crisis.

Derek Thomas
4 Posted 04/04/2020 at 22:58:39
Chris Wilder say players DO have a conscience - not if you have to be dragged kicking and screaming to use it.

And as for that PFA statement about the NHS.

When you're in a hole - stop digging.

But - if the players save each club say £25M – then Sky demand and get it back. The whole thing is a waste of time.

We're all in this together is the theme. Everybody takes part of the hit, not all the money reverts to the biggest fish then just sits there.

Proper application is required. A proper scheme to target players millions to where it will do the most good now. In simple terms: Pay the mythical tea lady so the Government doesn't have to.

Dave Ganley
5 Posted 04/04/2020 at 23:32:06
Tony #1, you're right, LFC disgracing themselves is bad for all of us. I'm embarrassed to be a scouser right now, forget about football allegiance. I always thought scousers were different, we do look after each other but LFC have really fucked us over this time, blue and red.

Most reds I know are appalled with what they've done, none of them are trying to defend it. They know FSG has shamed the city. LFC should know what scousers have been through down the years, how hard we have worked to get the city thriving in spite of tory rule, how we are proud of our city looking after its residents. And here they are shafting us left right and centre here because it's ultimately every working-class person paying for their greed.

Furlough is the one issue that I agree with from the tories. It's a great idea to help keep people in employment, keeping small businesses afloat like bars, restaurants, self-employed people etc and then you get a multi-million-pound business totally abusing the system.

I have no words at how angry I am with LFC right now, it would be the same if Everton did the same (thank god they haven't) because this reflects badly on every scouser. We are tarred with the same brush. It's a very dark day for Liverpool today.

Christine Foster
6 Posted 04/04/2020 at 23:41:36
You see, this is why I love being an Evertonian. We often decry (as I have) that the club had no business acumen and was run badly. But the club has shown that it has values, that they are the People's Club, that they care for the community as an employer and as a community supporter.

It is an utter disgrace that the other lot across the park have not seen fit to respond in a like manner. It's likely that our team's weekly wage bill would pay a year's salary for all those staff. The point is, if we can afford to pay players wages, we can afford to pay the staff too.

The business decision across the park shows LFC for who and what they are. Their shareholders and fans should hang their heads in shame. This is Liverpool. We are one; in times of crisis, there is no red or blue – just scouse. We should shame them for their crass opportunistic... offer THEIR workers support. We are Everton. We are better than the norm.

Brian Williams
7 Posted 04/04/2020 at 23:50:55
I wouldn't feel bad, as FSG have no affiliation with Scousers. They're Americans who own (in their speak) a football franchise. That franchise just happens to be in Liverpool.

Scousers have nothing to do with the running of their club in reality.

Steve Ferns
8 Posted 04/04/2020 at 23:58:54
Christine, I do agree with you. The only thing I think some of us have missed is the sheer number of staff. Only Spurs have confirmed the number and it's a staggering 550! What do they all do?

Say the 550 staff all earn £20k on average, that's £11m a year. But to put it back into perspective, that's two Schneiderlin's wages a year.

If a football club, even a Premier League one needs help. Why can't the Premier League give them a loan, an advance on the TV money? There's no need for the taxpayer to be funding the Premier League clubs.

Of course, get down to League One and it's a different story, but any loans there should again come from football and not the government.

Christine Foster
9 Posted 04/04/2020 at 00:04:21
Brian, tell the Kop that... tell their fans that... tell the club that they have no responsibility to their fans or the city.

I understand the comment, but their actions are crass, insensitive and demeaning to the city as well as their club. But we know this, sad but still surprising that they would be so insensitive to their employees, their fans and the city.

Everton are the community, sadly Liverpool just pointed their staff to the benefits office... says everything about the two clubs.

Christine Foster
10 Posted 05/04/2020 at 00:13:48
Steve, I take your point and agree with you that clubs should not point staff to the benefits office but sort it out themselves within the league itself.

This notion that every club is detached from each other and does not have a joint responsibility to secure the well being of ALL the clubs is stupid. Every club depends on the league itself to exist. They have a shared responsibility to look after each and every club whether they like it or not.

No Premier League club should be relying on government handouts to its staff. That's a disgrace, where a club cannot pay then a fund has to be created within all the league to ensure staff are looked after.

Perhaps at the end of all this, it becomes a requirement of each club promoted that they commit monies to a fund to support each other in times of crisis and not depend on the taxpayer to bail them out or cut their overheads.

Paul Hewitt
11 Posted 05/04/2020 at 01:10:28
I guarantee, if this lockdown carries on for much longer, every Premier League club will go on the government's 80% scheme.
Steve Brown
12 Posted 05/04/2020 at 04:37:55
The PFA claims that paying millionaire footballers will save the NHS? A PR disaster but let them keep digging.

Almost as shameful as LFC resorting to government funding for furloughing staff when not a single higher earner at the club has taken a pay cut.

Ray Robinson
13 Posted 05/04/2020 at 08:11:07
I must admit to being somewhat confused over the issue of the players taking a 30% pay cut. If a lower league professional does so do save the club that employs him, then fine, I understand that.

If a Premier League player does the same but the existence of club that employs him is not threatened, why should he? I'm not justifying their obscene salarles, nor am I saying that they shouldn't be making "sacrifices" but surely it's better to take the full salary and instead divert the 30% to the NHS and / or other worthwhile causes.

If this is the reason why players are prevaricating - i.e. to seek reassurances about how their 30% cut is being used, then I can perhaps understand the delay. After all why boost a profitable club's revenue when charity sees nothing ?

Also, there must be some players (one I've heard at Liverpool) who are already diverting a large percentage of their wages to a charitable trust. Existing arrangements have to be taken into account too.

I refuse to believe that all Premier League players are uncaring, grasping mercenaries - though there are undoubtedly many.

Paul Tran
14 Posted 05/04/2020 at 08:28:40
I'd like to declare that as a small business owner employing one person (me), that unlike LFC I will not be furloughing my staff at cost to the taxpayer.
Ray Robinson
15 Posted 05/04/2020 at 08:35:59
Paul, Well done!

I'd like to see a rule introduced next season, whenever that may be, that states that no club furloughing their staff during the crisis should be able to make any transfer signings. After all, if you haven't got the money to pay staff, how can you have £50m to spend on a player?

Paul Tran
16 Posted 05/04/2020 at 08:42:44
Cheers Ray, I completely agree. A new meaning to Wenger's phrase 'financial doping', isn't it?
John Pierce
17 Posted 05/04/2020 at 08:49:45
I believe there’s a £50k profit limit on the self employed to be eligible for the scheme, presumably to stop well off individuals taking the piss?

There should be a similar framework to stop large companies doing likewise. Time for wealthy people and shareholders to stump up instead of taking dividends and bonuses.

John Keating
18 Posted 05/04/2020 at 08:59:37
On an earlier thread, I lambasted our lot for not taking a lead in doing the right thing. I believe after yesterday's announcement by the RS it is even more important we do.

The PFA and other football authorities will talk, have meetings and will prevaricate so little if anything is done, however, might be in place if some other pandemic may happen in the future.

I have no doubt our players could engage some knowledgeable person to advise them how they can use their salary donation in such a way PFA type excuses can not be made.

When the footballing authorities are shooting themselves in the foot and digging deeper holes now is the time our Club and players need to jump ship and lead the way.

Paul Tran
19 Posted 05/04/2020 at 09:22:45
This is further proof that the people, politicians, companies and parties that prattle on about 'market forces' don't actually believe in them at all.

Only when the forces suit them.

Len Hawkins
20 Posted 05/04/2020 at 09:37:49
I'm not a tax expert (except paying it PAYE for the last 55 years). I seem to remember a furore in the press about Rooney setting up a company or something similar and he only paid 10% tax. Do the PFA not know about these loopholes that many of their members in the upper echelons use to keep more of their money?

Are the PFA assuming that us plebs who earned a pittance think that its super-rich members are paying the 40% rate on every penny over the personal allowance? If they are, then they are in the same cloud cuckoo land as their more affluent members.

As for Taylor, an average player who's droning voice has cured many an insomniac, how much of his "highest-paid union official's" multi-million-pound salary is he contributing?

Hugh Jenkins
21 Posted 05/04/2020 at 09:46:59
John (18). The solution to that is simple, insofar as the reduction comes out of the net pay, not the gross. The problem, as has been mooted elsewhere is, where does the saving then go?

If it is merely retained by the paying club, then it benefits the club and no one else.

Therefore, there has to be a consensus as to where the salary savings are to be paid.

If it is into a charity in support of the NHS, all well and good, otherwise, what is it to be used for?

I think the players, generally, are quite willing to make the gesture, it is the logistics of the distribution that seems to be the problem.

Tony Everan
22 Posted 05/04/2020 at 10:08:40
“You'll never walk alone“

How can any Liverpool FC supporter ever sing this song again?

The opposition players and fans will be laughing their socks off at the total hypocrisy.

This episode has negated their No 1 motivational tool, “You'll Never Walk Alone” has become an embarrassing joke.

David Cash
23 Posted 05/04/2020 at 10:13:36
Christine @6,

You read my mind and you put it so much more eloquently than would have done.

Top post!

Billy Roberts
24 Posted 05/04/2020 at 10:17:25
Hugh @21,

You have made an excellent point, just make a contribution after the tax has been reduced? The highest paid union official couldn't work that out? Then the NHS don't lose out on contributions. The players do appear to have finally, after 2 weeks of keeping up big rolls at home, made a move.

I'm sure Hugh's suggestion is not that straight forward but surely any top accountant can come up with a solution to this? Every club will use an accountant full time anyway.

I mentioned on another thread last week that the hit the big broadcasters Sky, BT, BBC, Amazon doesn't seem to have been mentioned anywhere? Are they exempt from this?

Why don't they contribute 30%? Or write off 30% of what they are owed? I wonder why the Government minister isn't mentioning them when he is discussing football's role to play.

Possibly Gordon Taylor could have used this platform to suggest the same, instead of his usual dawdling 'commit to nothing' stance.

Ray Robinson
25 Posted 05/04/2020 at 10:20:11
I wonder if Gordon Taylor is still drawing his huge salary in full?
Eric Myles
26 Posted 05/04/2020 at 10:30:08
Have the PFA thought about the consequences of their members NOT taking a pay cut? If clubs go bankrupt then where is the tax going to come from to pay for the NHS? That's 550 non-playing staff, plus say another 50 to 100 more players, management and trainers etc. Not to mention those community businesses that receive income due to the clubs. That's an awful lot of income tax lost.
Eric Myles
27 Posted 05/04/2020 at 10:35:49
Billy #24 and Hugh #21, if I've paid 40% of my salary in tax, why should I be forced to pay another 30% just because the government didn't provide enough money in the NHS budget for them to operate??

Who else are you going to force to pay an additional 30% in taxes besides me???

If you impose it one one sector of society you should impose it on all.

Peter Roberts
28 Posted 05/04/2020 at 10:41:15
As reprehensible as LFCs actions are, I understood it as the staff being furloughed are being paid the remaining 20% by the club and arent having their salaries reduced.

I also get the PFAs reasoning that a 30% wage cut would be detrimental to the funding of the NHS due to the lost tax revenues, as most of the money clubs earn today is through TV money surely this should only be considered if the clubs lost out on revenues due to the season being lost?

Meanwhile Everton as usual seem to have the Corinthian attitude of paying all staff as normal, being at the forefront of the commercial collective time support this crisis, being the community club, and not a single word is talked about it in the media, at a time when some positive headlines for football might be needed. Priorities, eh?

Eric Myles
29 Posted 05/04/2020 at 10:48:17
Peter, it's not compulsory for the clubs, or any other companies for that matter, to pay the 20% shortfall in income to their workers.
Mike Benjamin
30 Posted 05/04/2020 at 10:49:24
Len @20. If you are paid their through PAYE which is how ALL premier league players will receive their wages and bonuses through then you do indeed pay the appropriate tax. I think the area where players may try to save is with the add ons that they get e.g. sponsorship deals, endorsements etc. I think it is for those that Rooney set up a separate company.

I am going to go against the grain here and say that Taylor is absolutely right in what he says about the tax. The government will indeed lose vast amounts of tax revenue if players took a tax cut. It is the clubs who will get the benefit of that and so do you think they will donate the money to the NHS or to some other government or community service?

What the PFA should be doing is setting up a fund which players contribute to through a % donation of the money paid to players, from whatever source, because it will not all be from wages from the club. The PFA could then distribute money to a variety of places which could also include paying the wages of lower division/non league staff who really are struggling to make ends meet, donating to the NHS, work clubs etc.

One thing for sure the own goal scored by our despicable neighbours will never be forgotten.

Brian Harrison
31 Posted 05/04/2020 at 11:04:58
I am in a local community WhatsApp group, and this morning there was a post on the app from a front-line nurse in Liverpool. He said that he was masked up and had protective gloves and gown, but said because of the extra layers he was sweating throughout his shift while caring for terminally-ill coronavirus patients.

Then, when his shift finished, he went home and was worried had he caught the virus while at work that he could pass on to his wife and kids. He said he was petrified everyday not knowing if he could catch the virus. This is someone putting his life and his family's life on the line every day, he said he wished he could stay at home like the government are asking but he can't.

I guess he will be on no more than £25,000 per year, yet we hear of businesses earning excess of £100 million clear profit in the last 2 years using government money to pay their employees 80% of their wages. For those saying they can understand why some clubs have done this, please explain to this nurse how you think that's right.

I hope when this is all over, maybe in 9-12 months time, we remember how these clubs decided to pilfer the public purse, when there was no need to.

Obviously the governments all around the world will have less money for schools and NHS and many other government funded projects when this is over. So I hope the public show their disapproval for the many who could have done something but chose instead just to look after themselves.

Ian Bennett
32 Posted 05/04/2020 at 11:15:58
Eric 27 - the 30% reduction is before you pay 45% tax, not in addition too.

What is being asked for is players to take a cut in take-home pay of 30% × 55% = 16.5%.

Billy Roberts
33 Posted 05/04/2020 at 11:34:19
Mike @30,

Good point, but is this % to the good causes pot before tax or after? Haven't we reached the same point as discussed.

Eric @27,

Fair point but no-one is being forced to do anything here. They themselves have taken it upon themselves to do something positive, we are just discussing the merits and trying to find the most constructive and fair way of distributing a lot of wealth.

You're right in saying it shouldn't just be footballers who take a lead; with us all being football fans and proud Evertonians, we want to see the right thing done, I suppose.

Rugby Union, Rugby League, etc and their likes? It's up to them. I sincerely hope our club keeps its position on paying all staff, no matter how long this goes on; to follow Liverpool's lead would be an embarrassment.

Colin Malone
34 Posted 05/04/2020 at 11:52:00
I'm even more proud of being an Evertonian.
Dale Rose
35 Posted 05/04/2020 at 12:19:12
I don't go on Yahoo often. Bunch of Nazis on there. However there was a piece about Naismith taking a pay cut. I put a comment on to the effect that he had always been socially aware and left tickets he had paid for, for the low waged and unemployed. Never seen so many thumbs up in my life.
Jerome Shields
36 Posted 05/04/2020 at 12:30:30
The PFA are in a 'Give me Problems' mode instead of a Give me Solutions' mode. In other words, they are solely looking after the vested interests they represent. I don't think they care much about the NHS. They seem to have little interest in Clubs.

They are not interested in any creative solutions regarding tax and charitable status. It was an ex-Stoke player who came up with this tax take idea, in the same vein as Gary Lineker and round the same time. The PFA have just latched on to his idea, which was given some favourable credibility in the media.

I suppose membership of the PFA has some sliding scale regarding fees according to wages.

Derek Taylor
37 Posted 05/04/2020 at 12:33:41
In the spirit of co-operation and support for the good name of our city, the Everton Board should make an immediate offer of help to our cash strapped neighbours. To demonstrate our sincerity, ToffeeWeb could open a 'Save our City's Shame' in the form of a copper collection.

Every little helps!

Mike Benjamin
38 Posted 05/04/2020 at 12:51:30
Billy 55. The net earnings the players receive; otherwise, all the tax revenue will be lost. Unless you compulsorily apply it to all who earn above a certain amount, then it will be voluntary.

Where do you draw the line? The rich who are making fortunes from buying low in the stock market, executive of companies being paid millions?

As already suggested elsewhere the government to apply a temporary high rate of tax but they will not do that because it will affect a large number of their pals, party donors etc.

Mike Benjamin
39 Posted 05/04/2020 at 12:57:31
Just one other thing it does help for our club to do the right thing through our Chief Exec and Chairman, irrespective of what you think of their competency to do the job in normal times.

Proud to be an Evertonian in good and bad times!

Eric Myles
40 Posted 05/04/2020 at 13:00:38
Ian #32, that's not what Hugh #21 and Billy #24 are proposing in their posts. They want to deduct 30% AFTER the 40% tax has already been taken.

But then again, I remember when the highest tax rate in UK was 95%, so I guess 70% isn't too bad.

Phil (Kelsall) Roberts
41 Posted 05/04/2020 at 13:20:38
The answer is the same as it has always been - give 30% of your after tax income to a charity.

There are plenty out there - like most NHS trusts!

The government will add 25% to make it 37.5% in the form of a tax rebate. High earners will then get a 25% reduction in tax on the 30% - so they could give that extra 7.5% and get a further 5.6525% tax rebate.

I think that means they could give 30% of their take-home pay, so someone on £50,000 a week has to live on about £19,000 take-home per week rather than £27,000 per week. I know it will be tough to survive on that amount but I am sure they could do it for a few weeks.

And then nobody has taken a pay cut - and that includes Gordon Taylor.

Paul Kelly
42 Posted 05/04/2020 at 13:23:12
How about we stop paying foreign aid. Sorted. £13 billion extra in the coffers. I'm a genius.
Ian Bennett
43 Posted 05/04/2020 at 13:37:11
Eric 40 - that ain't going to happen. Top end footballers have their image rights held in offshore companies, and pay no tax on that.

The idea that footballers are going to move from that, to 75% tax seems unlikely in the extreme.

Billy Roberts
44 Posted 05/04/2020 at 13:44:33
Eric @40,

I've never mentioned 30%. I agree with the principle of them paying tax first and then making a contribution if that is the clearest and most beneficial solution.

I agree with posters who say it isn't up to footballers to bail out the NHS. As a wealthy country, we should have a stronger more robust NHS to begin with. The players after all have made their NI and Tax payments like the rest of us, and with their own club doctors, surgeons etc may never even use the service during their playing days.

At every level, every club has a different financial decision to make. Ideally a club who can't afford to pay their stewards, groundsmen etc could turn to their well-paid players to help out. Their players help directly.

A club that can afford to pay their stewards etc pays them like Everton, their players help lower league staff, players, NHS.

A wealthy club like Liverpool and Tottenham that chooses to do neither but rely on public money is clearly not ethical. Liverpool players will then be saying "Where is our contribution going?" That's if they care enough? As unlikable as Jordan Henderson is he seems to be trying to get the ball rolling.

Bob Parrington
45 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:09:20
Not sure whether it was noticed previously on this page but nobody seemed to have put his/her name to the posting!

Let's get down to the bones on this whole crap situation. The players are massively over paid. On TW we've all expressed this for donkey's years. A 70 per cent cut in their wages for 6 months would make fucking sweet fuck-all difference to their lifestyles and so, IMO, cut the bullshit and do what you should do you overpaid "xxxxs".

There, I got this off my chest. Does anybody else feel the same as I do on this?

Paul Hewitt
46 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:12:31
Bob @45. Absolutely spot on. But sadly, once we get back to normal, people will go back to hero-worshipping these greedy arseholes.
Dick Fearon
47 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:20:36
We are "Everton" and it really means more
Hugh Jenkins
48 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:24:07
The problem is, that 50% of the star players wages goes to HMRC as tax and NI.

Rooney is on the BBC site, as I write, saying that many players perhaps can't afford a cut in wages.

At first view, this seems ridiculous, but, the old adage that people tend to live up to their income, is still true.

Some of them may be so committed to mortgage payments for they mansions and lease payments for their Ferraris and Lambourghinis that they cannot afford a substantial cut in pay, without falling foul of the agreements they have signed. Others too will also, no doubt, have gambling debts that they are paying off etc.

So, laughable as it sounds, many of them may not be able to take a wage cut without it having major impact on their lives.

Paul Hewitt
49 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:29:28
Hugh @48. People are taking pay cuts losing there jobs and businesses. Of course millionaires can afford to take a small pay cut. They just don't want to.
Joe McMahon
50 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:31:31
Bob @45, I fully agree. My lifetime love of football is dwindling year after year from the likes of Moyes being rewarded for failure (all the time), with lucrative contracts, to Rooney today spouting off. When he came back to Everton in 2017, he was being paid £160k a week!! It makes me sick.

Sigurdsson £100k, it just goes on. Even Baines for approx 10 - 20 games a season £65k a week. It gets harder to support a football regime such as this, when you have to work and live in the real world.

Bob Parrington
51 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:37:22
Paul @46 You're probably right in what you say. I'm surprised by friends who say the world will be completely different once we come out of this but I have the view that things will revert to normal - greed etc.

For me and my son, the current most important issue is how do we keep paying our 10 loyal employees. That is more important than paying ourselves. These people have become more than just employees, they're almost like family.

I reckon we are not alone in this. Many small businesses will have the same kind of situation as we do. We are trying to understand the various government stimulus package to help us keep everybody employed. I'm a positive thinker and so I think we'll get through this crap. Just hope I am right for everybody in a similar position.

Hugh Jenkins
52 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:38:31
Billy (24) I am an accountant and was formerly one of HM Inspectors of Taxes and can tell you that the mechanics of it would be quite simple.

However, Eric (27) I was not necessarily advocating the pay cut, only saying how it could be quite easily administered.

Paul (49), I was only pointing out that - irrespective of how high a wage might be, many people will still spend up to the limit of their income.

Billy Roberts
53 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:45:09
Hugh @48,

I have just read that Rooney piece. The overall effect he gives, no matter how many valid points he makes, is one of multi millionaire footballer whingeing. He needs to be careful with his choice of words.

'A disgrace' he calls it, footballers being picked on... there is lots of disgraces going on, Wayne. This isn't one of them.

Jermaine Jenas again coming off as the spoilt brat calls it a " joke". They should give Gary Lineker a call before putting their foot in it. Aren't professional footballers always taught to take the rough with the smooth? The bad press with the good press?

Your fantastic lifestyle, your wages, the adulation, the travel, the endorsements, the healthcare, this is the smooth Wayne. This feeling of victimhood? A little bit of the rough. Suck it up and come up with a better alternative.

Bob Parrington
54 Posted 05/04/2020 at 14:57:54
Hey, Guys and Gals, just a thought.

Many of us will be in a better position than others on here and we should give attention to those younger than us, who, as a relatively young married couple, have 2 or 3 children and a mortgage or rental to pay, and are wondering how they will get by from day to day!

Maybe it's easier for me to mention this because I'm in my 70s but, honestly, we have to give at the very least emotional support to those less fortunate who are struggling through this Coronavirus crap.

Steve Pugh
55 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:02:45
Two questions:

One: How much will the NHS lose through Government funding that is being used to pay 80% of all these peoples wages? Not just now, but in the long term as well.

Two: Have the politicians, like Hancock, taken a pay cut? They may not earn as much as footballers but they earn far too much for what they do.

Dick Fearon
56 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:03:24
After reading how those stars are suffering I have to say my heart bleeds for them.
Bob Parrington
57 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:05:26
Dick@56 Yep!
Paul Hewitt
58 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:05:50
Let's not forget in a few months these clubs that have put there non playing staff on the 80% scheme will probably start spending millions on transfers. Offering players absolutely ridiculous wages, while expecting supporters who have lost jobs or had wages cut to put money into their club. I will probably watch football went it comes back. But it won't feel the same again to me.
Ray Robinson
59 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:10:13
Is this the same Gary Linker who reportedly avoided tax by joining one of these off-shore schemes? While agreeing that most PL footballers are obscenely overpaid, I'm not prepared to damn all of them until I know their individual circumstances. Lazy attitude to adopt! Look at our once very own Steven Naismith who I know has a social conscience.

At the end of the day, all players have a right to be certain that their pay cuts / contributions are going to worthy causes and not just into their employer's bottom line - unless the very survival of their club is at stake.

I think that that is all Rooney, Defoe and Danny Rose are trying to say, although some of the language used may not be helpful to their arguments.

Billy Roberts
60 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:11:05
Hugh@52
I bow down to your superior knowledge.
I wish I had known you when I was a self employed joiner!!
Like I said back at 24, it seems the logical route to take and is a good point, a route that seems to have escaped the very well paid individuals at the PFA.

Peter Warren
61 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:13:21
The first team should be agreeing to 80% cut and ask the club to pay to charity / NHS / EITC. Whilst LFC are bad news, I'm not currently happy with our players.

I've seen Kenwright give huge sums to charity and perhaps some do it more quietly but now is time for our players (and coaches) to step up and see what they do as a collective. I'm not going to criticise them yet... but, if nothing happens, I will find it hard to support them in future. People are dying, people losing their jobs, we support the players through thick and thin... time for them to step up.

Bob Parrington
62 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:21:12
Pete @61 – Agreed!
Bill Gall
63 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:21:32
I do not live in England any more so I am not up to speed on the latest news so may be someone can tell me, (a) have the MPs including the Cabinet Ministers taken a 30% cut in their salaries?

Reading Rooney's column, the only thing I agree with it is his reference to young and lower league players who do not earn the Premier League players wages, but, on the other hand, they do earn more than the average worker who has been laid off and will have to try for unemployment.

Ray Robinson
64 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:24:24
Peter and Bob, whatever you think about vastly overpaid, pampered stars (and I would probably agree), how would forcing players to default on their mortgages / financial agreements help anyone's cause? - which is effectively what an 80% pay cut would do!
Eric Myles
65 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:32:15
Ian #43, exactly what I was saying.
Eric Paul
66 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:43:10
They should put tax up by one or two pence in the pound, then we would all contribute.
Tony Abrahams
67 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:43:24
The whole thing stinks because people are dying at an alarming rate, and people are arguing about what footballers should and shouldn't do.

The greed of the beast kills most things, it's why this virus has got on top of the world's leading nations, who have been getting warned for years, but haven't really bothered because there didn't seem to be any profit in it for them.

How they are all going to suffer now because of a failure to prepare, but how can we expect people to pull together, when it's hard enough getting them to agree?

Patrick McFarlane
68 Posted 05/04/2020 at 15:50:58
If we don't like the players getting exorbitant amounts we can choose not to pay to watch them at the grounds or via various subscription platforms. Likewise those other fiends at Amazon, Wetherspoons, Virgin et al need the public to buy their products and services.

Moral and fair aren't usually given much creedence in a high earners lexicon so there's little reason why it should appear now even in such circumstances.

Let the clubs who can afford it pay the salaries to the players and allow the players to make their own decisions about how they distribute their wealth. If they don't happen to deliver what we'd like to see then we have our choices too as set out above.

Mike Benjamin
70 Posted 05/04/2020 at 16:29:02
Bill 64. It is true that most lower division players probably earn more than the average person, however, their retirement age will usually be much lower. In addition injury may curtail their playing career.
Jerome Shields
71 Posted 05/04/2020 at 16:31:10
Hugh #48,

You are right regarding lifestyle and probably this is where most of the resistance is coming from. Also, you have all the players' entourage of paid support and lastly you have fees paid to the PFA.

It is extraordinary how may different lifestyles exist, even outside the rich and famous. Naturally people made judgements in terms of their own lifestyle, unaware of the differences.

But the players are facing a PR disaster and possibly the industry they work in financial difficulties. You would think the leadership should be trying to come up with solutions, rather than using problems to avert these implications.

My father used to say to me when I was a wage earner, "Never use your wages like most people use a credit card. " A lot of footballers have. . .

Gerard McKean
72 Posted 05/04/2020 at 16:41:54
You could argue that there’s not much else to do, and indeed the eloquent arguments of so many posts here notwithstanding, does this thread demonstrate that Hancock’s attack on footballers achieved precisely what the government intended: attention deflected from their mendacity and ineptitude?
Paul Kelly
73 Posted 05/04/2020 at 16:42:08
After being whisked to hospital yesterday (on an unrelated matter to the current crisis) and seeing how much things have changed, it was surreal, watching the staff work on the ward and I was humbled as fuck (to coin a phrase).

Yeah, the NHS needs more funding, it always has, but putting it on footy players is the wrong call, there is plenty of other millionaires out there, let them decide what to do, it's their money.

I'd love nothing more than to see them all give to the current crisis, but what about MP's? Corporations? Oil companies? Betting Companies? I could go on, as I said earlier, scrap foreign aid, £13 billion a year, imagine how many more hospitals and equipment we'd have to sort out this crisis. Where's the money that should repair our roads? Etc etc. fuck knows we've all paid enough tax to up-keep them.

Point being, plenty of others to point the finger at too.

Colin Glassar
74 Posted 05/04/2020 at 16:42:38
Dave Ganley 5, nothing more to add to that mate. My sentiments entirely. The hedge fund, yank vultures have brought shame to everyone in the city. I know no rs who isn’t squirming right now.

I wonder how the rs loving media will cover this?

Patrick McFarlane
76 Posted 05/04/2020 at 17:21:03
Colin #74 If the Mirror is anything to go by they will make Jordan Henderson - Sir Jordan as he's apparently the prime mover in the Captains Circle that is trying to come up with an acceptable package.
Eric Paul
77 Posted 05/04/2020 at 17:27:54
Paul @ 73

Not to mention the civil list.

Anthony Dove
78 Posted 05/04/2020 at 17:45:28
I think the Premier League players have the union leader they deserve. They are all worthy of our absolute contempt.
Christy Ring
79 Posted 05/04/2020 at 18:01:50
Liverpool made a profit of £42M a couple of months ago, got £100M for winning Champions League. It's absolutely shocking, and a kick in the teeth to the people of the city.

Seamus Coleman donated £20M to Donegal services.

Oliver Molloy
80 Posted 05/04/2020 at 18:20:30
Christy, I think you could be wrong regards Seamus's donation!
James Flynn
81 Posted 05/04/2020 at 18:39:33
i wasn't aware of Coleman's doings until Christy mentioned it. Since I looked it up, Seamus goes in with Naismith for putting his money where his heart is.

Wouldn't surprise me if Seamus kicked in £20 million, if he had it. He's doing what he can with what he has.

Another reason to like the lad.

Eric Paul
82 Posted 05/04/2020 at 18:47:28
Coleman is a top man, he gave 10 grand to the Liverpool fan who got a kicking while other fans filmed it on their phones before rushing in to sing YNWA.
Jerome Shields
83 Posted 05/04/2020 at 19:01:40
Actually read Rooney's comments and he comes across with a lot sense. Maybe Coleen has finally knocked it into him.
Dave Ganley
84 Posted 05/04/2020 at 19:32:11
To be honest, taken in isolation I do have a modicum of sympathy with the players bring targeted like this. But, and it's a big but, if certain clubs didn't come across as greedy vultures when stating they were furloughing non-playing staff then the players wouldn't be subjected to attacks like this.

The likes of Rooney should be directing his ire at the clubs, not the government, fans and media. If the clubs looked after their own employees instead of getting the taxpayer to fund them, then they wouldn't get so much grief. The clubs have made the players easy targets with their actions and the government have exploited that as they do.

Because players and clubs are totally out of touch with reality with their superstar lifestyles, it doesn't take much to turn the people against them, as we are seeing now. I guess you reap what you sow. It's hard to feel any sympathy at the moment for cash-ridden Premier League footballers.

I know some like Seamus and Henderson across the park are doing stuff off their own back and deserve credit for it, but they are definitely in the minority. They take so much from football fans and give very little in return. Is it really that bad when we ask for Premier League footballers to give a little back to the communities that adore them?

Andy Crooks
85 Posted 05/04/2020 at 19:33:03
Ray @ 64, the only reason any Premier League player has a mortgage is for tax avoidance. They could buy a mansion on one year's net pay. They could buy a Bentley on a month's net pay.

Having said that, Why are overpaid bankers, charity bosses (they are the worst) actors, pop singers etc not getting the same stick?

Finally, if one more jumped up twat like Kate Winslet sticks her fucking oar into something that, and by fuck she is fucking thick, knows nothing about, I will combust.

Everyone, who can be remotely called a celebrity can really help now. They can do it by realizing that they are thick and shutting the fuck up.

That feels better, my blood pressure is lowering. Serenity.

Ray Robinson
86 Posted 05/04/2020 at 19:58:24
Andy, you may well be right about the mortgage but you and I can never know a player's liabilities or the margins at which they operate. What about business investments, existing donations to charitable trusts (check Joseph Yobo's history), other people they employ etc?

I'm trying hard not to be too sympathetic believe me but we cannot know precisely what each individual can afford. I share your frustration at the other "celebrities" who "earn" their huge rewards. Please tell me for instance what the BBC Royal Family correspondent does to be paid handsomely!

Paul Kelly
87 Posted 05/04/2020 at 20:03:26
Just read Rooney's comments and he is bang on. Everything he said is spot on.

No complaints from me!!

Paul Kelly
88 Posted 05/04/2020 at 20:12:50
Eric, the Civil list was abandoned in 2011?

May be called something else? Not sure.

Hugh Jenkins
89 Posted 05/04/2020 at 20:20:10
Colin (74) - check out the BBC Sports/footbal site - for the first time ever, a Liverpool FC story with no HYS tag - says it all.

Usually they get anything from 2500 to 6000 posts before they "close the thread"

On this - total silence - I wonder why?

Peter Warren
90 Posted 05/04/2020 at 20:21:11
Ray 64# / assuming you're joking about Premier League players having mortgages.
Eric Paul
91 Posted 05/04/2020 at 20:24:22
Paul,

Wherever they pay for the royals from now, then.

Hugh Jenkins
93 Posted 05/04/2020 at 20:34:29
Steve Pugh (55) A fair point to an extent - but some MPs, who have no supplementary income source, are not that well off!

If you want to attack a brand of "administrators" - look at the local councils.

Some of their salaries and other "packages" like enhanced pension pots on early retirement) are absolutely CRIMINAL.

As an example, where I live, the recently retired head of our local authority was on a salary three times greater than that of the Prime Minister of the UK!!

Additionally, he was personally sued and his legal costs were met by the local ratepayers - a bill that run to many hundreds of thousand of pounds, for a case that should never have been defended.

The system is corrupt and the sooner we start taking back power rather than diversifying even more - the better it will be.

In Wales, were I live, we have an assembly that is inept and a is an additional layer of government that we don't need and can't afford.

Similarly, our local authority seems, like a cancer, to grow year on year - but unlike cancer, never kills its host, it just keeps devouring it, form inside.

It's about time we had a radical re-thing of local government in this country.

Napoleon called us "a nation of shopkeepers" just over two hundred years ago.

If he was around now, he would call us "a nation of administrators".

But they administrate over nothing - except themselves.

We don't produce anything useful in this country any more!!

Paul Kelly
94 Posted 05/04/2020 at 20:35:29
Picking on footballers diverts attention from the real problem.

How about we focus on the fact that NHS workers should be paid a hell of a lot more than what they are? I'm sure we can all agree on that? Maybe?

Let's focus on the 'front line workers', (front line workers-don't like that term, not one bit, it is a war, on disease, but not like what our army go through, that's front line, don't think it compares, at all).

Anyway, I support them all, my focus is on them, if any good comes out of this shit show, maybe those that risk their lives, (war or disease) are paid more and get the credit they deserve.

Gary Willock
104 Posted 05/04/2020 at 21:51:05
Donate that amount to the exchequer then, and take a pay cut on the rest.

If it’s about that off course, and not keeping the 55% (lol, like they really pay it all my arse)

Steve Bell
107 Posted 05/04/2020 at 22:28:04
The government could increase NI contributions on an incrimental basis instead of football players (as an example) taking a pay cut. That then could be hived off to the NHS?

Or is that wishful thinking?

Ray Roche
109 Posted 05/04/2020 at 22:29:35
The EU. as soon as they realised how dangerous this pandemic is, what did they do?

Closed all their borders. Yeah, that's unity for you. Fuck you, pal, I'm alright.

Paul Hewitt
112 Posted 05/04/2020 at 23:35:23
I'm fed up with listening to how difficult it is for millionaire's to take pay cuts. It's not difficult to put low paid people out of work is it. Stop defending these millionaires. And I'm not just talking about footballers.
Brian Wilkinson
113 Posted 05/04/2020 at 23:45:08
Hugh @89, I was just about to comment on that myself.
Rob Halligan
114 Posted 05/04/2020 at 23:48:33
High and Brian. I've thought exactly the same all day. Probably the first time I can remember a RS article on the BBC sport website with no HYS on them. The reason being we can't have the British public ripping the BBC darlings to shreds can we.
Rob Halligan
115 Posted 05/04/2020 at 23:49:50
Hugh and Brian, even!! How do you edit posts on here? 😦😦
Brian Wilkinson
116 Posted 05/04/2020 at 23:54:01
There used to be a couple of minutes edit time Rob where you could go straight back into your post and edit it.

Not seen it for a while, but was damn useful.

Maybe Lyndon or Mike could update us if there is a reason, the edit button is no longer on the site.

Rob Halligan
117 Posted 05/04/2020 at 23:57:03
Cheers, Brian. Would certainly come in useful, especially after a few San Miguel's and a rather large Southern Comfort and Coke.
Brian Wilkinson
118 Posted 05/04/2020 at 00:02:52
Anyway going forward, I am not sure how many non-playing staff are at each club, let's say as a rough idea 500, their wages I am guessing might be around a couple of hundred pound a week, some more, some less.

So you are looking at around £100 grand a week, my feeling is it would be much lower.

So if you look at an average playing squad of 25 bare minimum, surely those players could contribute £2,500 out of their weekly wages, to help those non-paying staff?

George Stuart
119 Posted 06/04/2020 at 00:29:44
£200 million. You having a laugh.
Nations are talking in the hundreds of billions or really big economies, trillions.

Can a player on £300,000 a week really be expected to cope on £200,000 ?
Ok extreme example. Let's say £90,000 A week. Can they cope on £60,000 A week? What's the median annual wage in the UK at the moment? £40k? I dunno.

This shite won't float. Here in Aussie the NRL laid off 95% of ancillary staff and management took a 25 % pay cut. I'm guessing they all have 6 figure annual dollar salaries. That was so big of them.

The supporters will only take so much of this crap.

Steve Ferns
120 Posted 06/04/2020 at 00:57:03
Ah, classic divide and conquer tactics.

Who are footballers? Working-class boys done well. Let's pick on those ruffians and use the despicable Daily Mail and other tabloids to do it. If we can focus the ire of the great unwashed on their own, then they won't put too much pressure on the bankers and chiefs of industry quietly cashing their million-pound bonuses for doing nothing whilst putting most of the great unwashed on furlough.

Come on, guys. If Everton give the players a pay cut, then that cash is retained by Everton and does not go to nurses. Instead of focusing on the players, we should be after the likes of Daniel Levy who is cutting the wages of his staff, not just placing them on furlough.

What about the bankers? They are not giving the money to small businesses right now. Small business employs half the working population. That's over half of us at risk of not having employment after this is all over. The banks' conduct is despicable, and the government are being very careful with their words here and not forcing the money to go to the employers that really need it.

But yeah, let's get back to picking on footballers and ignore all the wealthy bar stewards who are putting us on furlough and escaping the wrath.

Lloyd Brodrick
121 Posted 06/04/2020 at 01:16:43
How about our players pay LFCs non playing staff?

Got to be worth a few million. Our players are seen to be doing the right thing, pride is restored to the fair city of Liverpool and we get to sing 'that song' at The Old Lady, at the derby.

Sorted.

Brian Wilkinson
122 Posted 06/04/2020 at 01:32:49
Thing is though, Lloyd, they are looking at a possible behind-closed-doors option if needed to complete the season.

Remind me again who their next game is against? Suit them down to the ground not playing in front of a full house at Goodison.

Lloyd Brodrick
123 Posted 06/04/2020 at 01:44:52
Possibly, Brian, but I do not believe that will happen, I would say we have another 6 to 8 weeks lockdown and then no large crowds until early August.

Even if the derby was played in an empty stadium, the offer from our players to pay their staff would be class with much amusement to take our minds off this horrendous situation.

Paul Jones
124 Posted 06/04/2020 at 01:53:01
Everton, like Man City, should publicly pledge not to furlough non-playing staff.
Brian Wilkinson
125 Posted 06/04/2020 at 02:12:19
Like another poster said Paul, if they cannot afford to pay, or chose not to pay their non-playing staff, then they should not be allowed to buy any players, when the transfer window opens.
Gerry Killen
126 Posted 06/04/2020 at 02:13:53
To Steve Ferns 120, right with you, mate,100%.

I've just seen another article about Wayne Rooney and he's dead right, players are being made scapegoats by the FA and the Government over their wages. 99% of players come from a working-class background, and they dedicate their lives to bring us entertainment at the highest level; they earn their money.

Wayne has probably donated more money to hospitals and charities than any of the high-profile rat-bags living abroad and hiding their wages in off-shore accounts, thereby avoiding paying the very taxes that pay for our hospitals and health workers.

Good on you, Wayne, my Working-Class Hero!

Brian Wilkinson
127 Posted 06/04/2020 at 02:15:09
Someone should make up a spoof Go Fund Me page to help our neighbours across the park.

That really would take the piss out of them.

Kick 'em while they are down, I say.

Ian Riley
128 Posted 06/04/2020 at 03:55:56
Impact the NHS? How about the next two to three generations living in poverty due to this virus. The next 10 years will see many fans lose homes, jobs and businesses. A recession is coming and who is it going to hit the hardest?

Society has always protected the wealthy. Hard choices over the next five years! Football or food on the table? Life as we know it has gone! When nurses and doctors are dying to protect the public, everyone has to do their bit. Many fans will walk away from football not just because of affordability but feel I've escaped death and actually football is not life and death!

If anything good comes out of this awful situation, it is that football in the Premier League needs a reality check. Perhaps living for today and not tomorrow is the biggest problem. The reality is thousands more are going to die. Keep safe all. Stay in and this nightmare will soon end.

Phil Greenough
129 Posted 06/04/2020 at 07:21:45
70 million people died in WW2, Ian, people have got short memories. The fans will keep The Premier League gravy train going, after this crisis is over.
Darren Hind
130 Posted 06/04/2020 at 07:23:55
Always thought Piers Morgan was a bit of a gobshite, but he is having no part of the media love in with The RS. He's absolutely slaughtering their "Greedy American Billionaire owners for expecting the British taxpayer to pay the staff which have helped make their investment so profitable."

He's called Liverpool and Spurs "Disgusting" and is urging their fans to show some bollocks and boycott season tickets.

Derek Thomas
131 Posted 06/04/2020 at 07:38:18
Ian Riley @128; We've, most of us to an extent, allowed ourselves to be bedazzled the the new clothes of the Emperor that is The Premier League.

The days of a player travelling to the game on the same 46 bus as the spectator are gone. In the 60s, 70s and 80s If you knew where to go in Town or around Maghull you could stand in a bar next to any number of players.

As Becky Tallentire reminds us, they were still pretty much like us. Unless you knew, you couldn't tell the house of an Everton Legend from the house of the mechanic who fixed his Cortina or A40.

These events and this anti player fallout that they triggered may have been a bit of a politician induced beat-up / smoke screen. Dog whistle or not, for a reason, it struck a chord, but yeah, with hindsight (guilty here) it was and is never that simple.

It does, however, show that the social link (compact / contract?) between fans, players and the game as a whole, recently tenuous at best, maybe fracturing and shattering into irreparable pieces.

10 years of austerity may be replaced by 10 years of something worse... we are deep into Rumsfeld's unknown unknowns here.

All the king's horses and all the king's men are not going to put this Humpty together again in a hurry and many are starting to see that it's not only the Premier League emperor who is walking around bollocko.

Alan J Thompson
132 Posted 06/04/2020 at 07:47:15
Steve (#120); Well said, I was looking for somewhere to ask if the ToffeeWeb Poll could include an option of let each decide what they want to do with their own wages. Some, although well off, could be out of contract in a couple of months with little likelihood of an immediate new contract.

And, Yes, most will be able to cry in comfort and it may be a different tune if it looks like their employer going to the wall. Were any of us, including those paid to be, overly prepared for this pandemic and are we really all getting through this together?

Bob Parrington
133 Posted 06/04/2020 at 07:48:41
Ray @ 64 and 86, and Andy @85. Assumption is the mother of all stuff ups and I was guilty of assuming none of the players would have mortgages unless they were for tax purposes. Sorry, I should have been clearer.

Also, I'm sure all or most of them will have decent sized bank accounts and a mixture of short-term and long-term investments. I'm pretty damn certain they would not be reliant on assistance from the various government initiatives.

We're all on the same page here, I reckon. Perhaps with a few minor differences.

Stay safe, be well!

David Cash
134 Posted 06/04/2020 at 07:48:55
Just saw that, Dazza. He's not holding his punches, is he?
They're getting it from all directions at the moment. Even your mate Tony Evans is expressing his shame and embarrassment on TalkSport. Massive own goal by RS. I'm half expecting a humiliating climb down...

Read post 6. I don't know if Christine lives in Liverpool but she is clearly a scouser and Is expressing the views of scousers everywhere.

Billy Roberts
135 Posted 06/04/2020 at 08:03:37
Sorry if this has already been covered but in relation to the players at the very bottom of this pyramid struggling the ones Rooney is fretting about,doesn't the PFA have an emergency fund?
Most unions will have such a fund to pay to their members in times of industrial action, don't get me wrong here, the payment is more of a gesture with most unions, mine Unison for example paid its members something like £20
for a days strike action about 7yrs ago.
A Union like the PFA with the most well rewarded leader in all Unions across Europe I'd imagine surely has been investing a percentage of subscriptions for a situation like this a players strike for example, a war possibly?
The players at all levels should be asking their Union leaders do they have such a fund ?
If not why not, what exactly does the likes of Gordon Taylor do all year round when he should be looking after his members well being?
Bob Parrington
136 Posted 06/04/2020 at 08:03:42
Derek@131 - I love that last paragraph. Good to keep a sense of humour. As my old Chemistry teacher in Liscard used to say, "Boy, a sense of humour is a sense of proportion!" Sh*t, I'm amazed I still remember this from 57 years ago!

Bob Parrington
137 Posted 06/04/2020 at 08:05:38
BTW - to all questioning the EDIT function on here. I just used it and it is still working.
Eddie Dunn
138 Posted 06/04/2020 at 08:14:34
Football at the elite level is so overly dependent on it's TV money that without it the whole bloated monster starts to deflate.
The players may well moan about a pay cut. If this all continues for another 6 months, they will be looking for a different job(if they ever need to work again!).
Wayne probably does know guys that are financially stretched with big mansions in Cheshire and fancy cars on lease. Not to mention the big gamblers and Klye Walker caught out the other day.
The gravy train has hit the buffers and hopefully the ridiculous wages will never be paid again. Now the clubs can see that the income can be drastically reduced by unforseen circumstances, they will be reluctant to shell out so much in transfer fees and wages.
I suppose they will put provisos into contracts that if a similar event happens they will automatically reduce the salary.

Steve Guy
139 Posted 06/04/2020 at 08:16:47
The RS dirge about never walking alone carries a new irony now (if it didn’t already) “You’ll never walk alone...unless it involves doing the right thing for the hundreds of staff who make Analfield tick”.

I’d like the media to start focussing on Clubs like Everton who are trying to do things right. Great article on Denise our CEO on the Athletic. I’d take her and Moshiri any day their lot.

Tony Heron
140 Posted 06/04/2020 at 08:17:36
Sky reporting Man City FIRST club to announce they would pay non playing staff !!@@@@
Christy Ring
141 Posted 06/04/2020 at 08:29:30
Oliver@80 Just discovered my mistake, Seamus gave £20,000 to Donegal community!! Still a great gesture.
Bill Fairfield
142 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:01:13
Liverpool echo look like they are trying to deflect rs shame our way in report today,typical
Ray Roche
143 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:11:41
George@119

Apparently, only 21% of people earn more than £30000 a year. The “average “ wage will appear more because it will include the Merchant Bankers (rhyming slang) and hedge fund managers etc which gives a skewed perspective of what your average Joe earns.
Good old Google.

Patrick McFarlane
144 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:13:51
Bill #142 I just saw that article, it's sort of intimating that Everton FC would have made a different decision had the Government scheme been available when EFC made its original call? Or is it a call for Everton FC to use the scheme to justify those who have already decided to utilise it?

Everton facing Moral question

Brian Williams
145 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:22:00
That Echo piece is a disgrace. Every one should go and read it and comment.
Still shaking my head at the headline AND the content.
And of course there'll be any number of rs idiots on there throwing in their stupid comments.
One has already opined that Evertonians commenting on Everton threads always mention the rs.
The irony is comical!
Hugh Jenkins
146 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:33:06
Steve (120). The Bankers.

If anyone needs regulating and controlling it is these pariahs.

Hopefully, after the debacle that is now in play, where they have again been appointed to the role of "saviours of the small business" only to show, once again, that they do not understand any concept of trust or compassion, the government will finally call them to book.

I believe in free market forces, but also believe in a compassionate society.

I am not in favour of nationalisation generally, as I think it breeds ineptness.

But, I do think that a "National Bank", governed by the Bank of England, would be a good thing and would really put a cat amongst the pigeons of the corrupt high street banks, presently masquerading as "the country's saviour".

I mean - the Bank of England, had to ask them this week not to pay dividends out of their profits to the shareholders, so that they would have enough cash reserves to honour the loans that the government have said they will back for small businesses.

Despite the government backed scheme, many small businesses are reporting that when they apply for a loan the banks are offering something entirely different, far more costly and demanding additional collateral, despite the government guarantee.

Finally, the Bank of England has also asked (begged) them not to pay themselves massive bonuses this year, given the dire straits that many of their customers now find themselves in.

If, as many people here are predicting, the Premier league is in for a short, sharp, shock as far as its finances are concerned, hopefully this will equally apply to high street banks.

Jerome Shields
147 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:42:11
It occurred to me that the PFA are prepared to use the NHS as a reason not to take a 30% paycut, but the Premier League are allowing the better off PFA members to ride on the backs of lower paid members, regarding paycuts.

The Premier League needs to monitor the money intake according to means and give it back to the Clubs to distribute to those in need in their local communities. The NHS is just being used as a PR ploy.

Individual Clubs are going to go there own way on this, because the Premier League in clueless in what to do. As for the PFA they will just put up barriers and muddy the waters as much as possible.

Martin Nicholls
148 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:49:53
Tony#140 - beat me to it! I read yesterday that the owners of what is now the Nightingale Hospital are charging the NHS a fortune for its use. Those owners are the compatriots of the Abu Dhabi royal family who own Man City - perhaps the Crown Prince could use his "influence" to have those leeches reverse their profiteering actions?
Whilst castigating the rs, the likes of Piers Morgan should contrast their actions with those of their near neighbours. He could say that while we're less well off in financial terms, we're far richer in morals!
Ray Robinson
149 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:52:51
As many are saying, the Premier League is in for a big shock after this crisis is over. Added to the disgust that many feel over certain clubs' reaction to furloughing their staff at taxpayers' expense, will be the fear of attending events as part of a large crowd. After all, this virus is not going to die out instantaneously and I can't practise social distancing in the Park End where I'm rubbing shoulders with my neighbour.

Can't help feeling that this might also have an effect on the building of our new stadium. Even if finances are available, will people still feel the same way about watching football?

This pandemic is having the effect of reminding me yet again that football only a game.

Patrick McFarlane
150 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:55:43
Martin #148 Indeed the owners of the site were going to charge the NHS a large sum of money for its use, but have now reversed their original decision.
The owners of ExCeL London will cover the cost of running the centre after it was turned into a huge pop-up hospital.

Abu Dhabi National Exhibitions Company said it had not charged Britain's National Health Service rent and has offered to cover running costs.

Martin Nicholls
151 Posted 06/04/2020 at 09:59:06
Thanks Patrick - wasn't up to speed on that!
Tony Abrahams
152 Posted 06/04/2020 at 10:17:46
No wonder Evertonians call it the red echo. The headline Everton facing moral questions as football damages its reputation over furlough.

Why not Everton show morals, whilst Liverpool damages the reputation of football and our city, going cap in hand to the Conservative party over furlough?

Brian Harrison
153 Posted 06/04/2020 at 10:19:45
I think the reason the question of what predominantly would Premier league players donating, came about because of the 70% pay cut the Barcelona players had signed up for and I think Real Madrid did something similar. Then this was followed by wealthy Premier league clubs applying to furlough their non playing staff. This was abhorrent when you have a club like Liverpool who have made over £100 million profit over the last 2 years applying for furlough, this quite rightly incensed everybody. This furlough system was brought in to try and help companies keep their staff on the payroll and not make them redundant, while the government would subsidize 80% of the wages.

We have read that the players want to contribute but they quite rightly didnt want to take a wage cut which would just leave the money in the clubs coffers. I totally agree there is no point taking a pay cut if the money just stays in the club instead of helping were it will have the most effect. the PFU came out saying if the players took a pay cut the treasury would loose £200 million in taxes. So let the clubs pay the players the normal salary, then the players at each club set up an account were they pay into this and then out of this they can say to their club we will pay our non playing staff but you must not apply for furlough for these staff members. Then the remainder of the money could go to the NHS were its needed. No agents or lawyers to sort out what the ramifications are as players wouldnt be taking a pay cut. So no contractual problems to sort out these will be voluntary contributions.

Paul Kelly
154 Posted 06/04/2020 at 10:25:06
"So what of Everton? What are their options here? How can they find a solution to a moral and financial question? How can they avoid furloughing staff? How can they do what is right, as opposed to doing what is allowed, and ensure they continue to protect jobs and staff?"

Did I just read that paragraph/qoute from the echo wrong or what? Unfuckingbeleivable, can't do right for doing wrong can we.

They can fuck off the RS loving arseholes.

Tony Everan
155 Posted 06/04/2020 at 10:26:53
The Red Echo is getting on my nerves with that article, subtly trying to tar our club with the same brush. Evertonians should give the rag a miss rather than be brainwashed by their continual red bias.

There’s only one people’s club in the city, the other is a faceless corporate entity which thinks nothing of using tax payers money to furlough local Merseyside staff whilst raking in hundreds of millions of profits in recent seasons.

Alan J Thompson
156 Posted 06/04/2020 at 10:30:30
It's a disgraceful article and everyone should email the Echo saying that if it wasn't for the lack of toilet rolls you wouldn't buy another paper from them again.
Darren Hind
157 Posted 06/04/2020 at 10:35:31
But that's too easy Brian.

The claim that players "want to" put in is disgusting. There are a million ways for them to do it without getting into contractual arguments.

Tony/ Brian
I would love to see the blue half of this City boycott the Echo. I've had enough of this Kopite propaganda to last me a lifetime

Casho

As you rightly pointed out. Christine is most definitely a scouser. She worked about 100 yards from yours. Her dad Had Rooneys the fruit and veg shop next to Appo`s..

Tony Abrahams
158 Posted 06/04/2020 at 10:49:06
I fucked it off years ago Darren, but I still read most of it on my iPad. Maybe splitting hairs, but they never go alphabetical when they mention both clubs together, and L always comes before E. They have been consistent though because S for Spurs, now comes before L for shite!
James MacGlashan
159 Posted 06/04/2020 at 11:00:16
Agree with your words Paul Kelly.

A lot are not getting this. Why PL footballers? Many people falling for this Govt/ Hancock game.
Millionaires/Billionaires in the Cabinet and friends of the Cabinet and donors to the Tory party. Ask them eh? No? Why not?

Branson? Lewis Hamilton? Tax Dodgers?

Everton fans praise Everton players for their off field activities. We know they give so much of their time and they do give money to charities. They just don't broadcast it. I can't imagine that someone who has the morals meaning that they avoid tax, is someone who does a lot for charity!

We know players are paid a lot.

This is deflecting from underpaid key workers, 10 years of austerity.

NB. 2.5m millionaires and 550 PL footballers.

Rob Halligan
160 Posted 06/04/2020 at 11:05:58
Tony 158, I'm the same as you mate. Always drawn to reading the garbage on the red echo. The funniest thing though, is the comments following every story. How the editors let some of them get away with it is unbelievable. Both sets of supporters really do go overboard with the vitriol they throw at each other.
Gerard McKean
161 Posted 06/04/2020 at 11:12:20
Ray #109, I tend to look out for your posts as you normally talk sense. But at a time when practically every country in the world is closing borders, with many also doing so with internal borders between states, you see fit to have an ideological pop at EU countries for doing just that.

Stick to football maybe?

Eric Myles
162 Posted 06/04/2020 at 11:16:57
Paul #73, the unfortunate reality of the £13 billion in foreign aid is that it isn't an act of charity, it's an act of commercial gain.

UK gives millions to Somalia, why? They have natural oil reserves which is why the Americans were so keen to keep control of the country.

Bangladesh, natural gas.

Sometimes it's political to keep the Russians or Chinese out.

Reminds me of when the US gave agricultural aid to the Philippines so they could buy Massey Ferguson tractors made in US. Did it benefit Philippine farmers? No, but it kept US manufacturing industries going for a while.

Eric Myles
163 Posted 06/04/2020 at 11:19:01
Andy #85, I guess you don't have a mortgage? Never have? And never will?

Just like me good on yer.

Eric Myles
164 Posted 06/04/2020 at 11:29:02
Bob #136, but you can't remember what H2O or NaCl is !!!!!!!
Derek Thomas
165 Posted 06/04/2020 at 11:32:31
Hugh @146; didn't Harold Wilson found the Giro in the late 60's to do just that...until the torys sold it off to the Alliance and Leicester
Tony Abrahams
166 Posted 06/04/2020 at 11:45:45
I also thought it was common sense to close the borders, but like these professional footballers, I think the decision was made well to late.

Footballers represent our club, our culture, so it’s only right that we expect them to do the right thing. So what if the money stays in the club, it’s our club, and once this pandemic is over, our club is going to need every penny it can find, especially if we are to move forward, and for any club using furlough, then surely their multi-millionaire footballers, could have done more to help their fellow club members in this hour of great need?

It’s obviously just opinions, but Barcelona players did the right thing morally imo, but with money being god in this modern world, then the devil’s work is already done, and if Everton make a similar decision to Liverpool, at any time in the future, then I would blame the players.

At times like this we need good news, we need action not words, actions that bring everyone together, and not silence that has helped this government turn it onto the football players, because if they’d done something already, then it would never have got to all this?

Dave Ganley
167 Posted 06/04/2020 at 11:47:17
Agree with others re red echo. Saw this article this morning and it's a shameful attempt at redirection at the RS shame at what they've done. I shouldn't be surprised but I am. Horrible paper and horrible journos.

A few months ago they had people canvassing door to door asking if we would like to get the red echo delivered. When I said no thanks I don't buy LFC papers they were surprised and said " oh that's the response I've had from many people, I wonder why" well it's exactly for reasons like this that no self respecting evertonian would ever buy that rag.
Offended by everything ashamed of nothing.

The rift between the supporters is bad enough as it is without this type of one sided journalism

Hugh Jenkins
168 Posted 06/04/2020 at 12:10:53
Brian (145) - I read it and tried to comment - it asked me to "Register" in order to comment - but, having filled in the registration page - it wouldn't then allow me to leave the page - so, no registration - no comment!
Steve Ferns
169 Posted 06/04/2020 at 12:18:14
Everton’s moral dilemma is about chicken feed really. Gerrard McKean might be able to say how many we employ but let’s say it’s 500 based on spurs employing 550. Let’s say they all earn £30,000, when the reality is the average will be less. Let’s say the potential furlough lasts 3 months. We’re talking just over £4m. Let’s call it £5m. It’s still chicken feed to a Premier League club and as such is it really a moral dilemma? Even if it’s £10m. Every premier league club can take that on the chin. It might just have a slight impact on the playing budget.

What we’re seeing from the RS and Spurs is “marginal gains”. They see a way to pocket a few million and they take it. Levy has always been known to be someone who screws people over and here we see it first hand.

I hope people do remember this and that Liverpool and Spurs lose more than £5m each in revenue due to their reputation damage.

Ray Roche
170 Posted 06/04/2020 at 12:28:51
Gerard@161

Not an “ ideological pop” at all, merely an observation. An accurate one. Speaking to friends in Germany their reactions ranged from “Good, not before time “ to dismay that the borders that existed decades ago and that idealists hoped had gone for ever can be closed so quickly. I visit Germany
8-10 times a year so I think thatI have an
idea how some people think.
Stick to football? What football?

I will when you do😉

Ray Roche
171 Posted 06/04/2020 at 12:32:35
Incidentally Gerard, the people who were in favour of still having borders are in the 40-50 age group, the anti borders over 60.
Not sure how the twenty somethings view this, of course, they don’t remember Germany divided by a wall.
Brian Harrison
172 Posted 06/04/2020 at 12:33:20
While we all have views on the rights and wrongs of Premier league players making a contribution, I think a more pressing decision is what happens next.
I was listening to one of the professors doing the modeling, and he was talking about the exit strategy from this virus. No decisions have yet been made as nobody really knows what is the best exit strategy. Even the country with one of the lowest death rates South Korea who are several weeks ahead of Europe on this journey. Because they suffered with the Mers outbreak in 2015 they were geared up to test in huge numbers which limited the spread. Less than 120 deaths but are now pondering how to relax some of the measures they have put in place like self distancing. they are now considering opening schools again in the next couple of weeks, but they are also anxious about if this could cause another spike in infections. they are even discussing a herd immunity but are very cautious about this.

Sadly until a vaccine can be found that will either kill off the virus or at least reduce its effectiveness, I think social distancing will be here for quite a few months. And seeing how some have flouted the social distancing over just a couple of weeks I cant see everybody staying a safe distance for the months ahead.

Dave Ganley
173 Posted 06/04/2020 at 12:57:57
Hugh #168 I've actually emailed the editor to complain about the article for what it's worth, probably better than trying to comment with the morons that go on the comments section
Brian Williams
174 Posted 06/04/2020 at 13:04:02
Oi Ganley. I commented on there! 😡

I rest my case says Mr Ganley.

Dave Ganley
175 Posted 06/04/2020 at 13:16:44
Haha sorry Brian, present company excepted 🙈🙈
Chris Hockenhull
176 Posted 06/04/2020 at 13:24:11
Disgracefully slanted article by this rag. I ceased buying this shite years ago and it should be given the same wide berth as The Sun. Absolutely useless coverage of the city and it’s surrounding areas. Just a quick glance at it’s web page tells you of how they give every tosser acting criminally and anti social daily. To anyone outside Merseyside reading it that’s where the negative image of the city and it’s people originated from. Wouldn’t wipe my arse with it.
Billy Roberts
177 Posted 06/04/2020 at 13:35:26
Dave@173
I haven't read this article in the"gangster news" but judging by our posters snippets of the article and that rags awful standard I have to agree it is an appalling attempt to deflect Liverpool's stance and also conveniently ignore Evertons position on this.
I'm sure it is over a week now that EFC made their position clear. I desperately hope Everton stick this out and don't join the pigs in the trough like Liverpool, Spurs etc.
Maybe if you posted the Editors email address many more of us could make our feelings known.
Hugh Jenkins
178 Posted 06/04/2020 at 13:41:23
Harping on a theme - but there is not one HYS open on any article on the BBC Sports/football site. Never recall this happening before. It is truly as if the BBC don't want to give anyone an opportunity to say anything detrimental about the RS - even if it is on another HYS topic.

I can't thin of any other reason.

Ken Kneale
179 Posted 06/04/2020 at 13:47:10
I have written to the complaints department at Trinity Mirror - it is a very poor article, damning with faint praise to give a pretence at fairness.

Hugh - I noted that yesterday. Is there somewhere we can write to to enquire why so you know?

Joe Parkinson
180 Posted 06/04/2020 at 13:54:00
I would like to take this opportunity of thanking that Shite club across the road, for cementing and adding to the rest of the Country's perception that this City is a Scrounging, Malingering, Parasite of a City, willing, and Able to take any freebies on offer from the Government.
That Club has brought Shame time after time on this City and will continue to do so, yet Sky, BT, and above all else the Shite Red Echo think the Sun shines out of their Arse
Any Premier League Club who takes advantage of this dreadful situation needs to be Shamed by every television channel and newspaper...
On a side note, May I take this opportunity to Thank and offer my sincere best wishes to all NHS staff for the remarkable job they are doing. God Bless you all. Xx
Phil Bellis
181 Posted 06/04/2020 at 13:58:26
From The Athletic, giving our club's response to the issue

https://theathletic.co.uk/1721173/2020/04/03/denise-barrett-baxendale-everton-coronavirus/?article_source=search&search_query=baxendale

you have to sign up (free trial offer)

and the full article reprinted here

https://members.boardhost.com/peoplesforum/msg/1586069242.html

Michael O'Malley
182 Posted 06/04/2020 at 14:00:21
Isn’t the idea of the players taking a pay cut is that they actually have clubs to play for when this dreaded virus is gone, the Burnley chairman reckons his club will be virtually bankrupt by the end of summer
Dave Ganley
183 Posted 06/04/2020 at 14:18:06
Billy #177 jayne.middlebrook@trinitymirror.com

That's the editor to complain to. To be fair she has emailed back saying she will investigate. I also told them that they should take a look at the athletic article about Denise Baxendale Barret and maybe they could actually report something positive about EFC for a change

Andrew Ellams
184 Posted 06/04/2020 at 14:18:57
Michael, any PL club that is close to bankruptcy from the loss of 5 home fixtures must be on the way there already.
Mike Doyle
185 Posted 06/04/2020 at 14:30:33
Just listening to self-confessed red Paul 'Salty' Salt on Radio Merseyside. He's just raised the subject of LFC furloughing staff and is asking listeners what self-confessed socialists like Shanks & Paisley would make of it? He quoted one commentator as saying that its like someone who regularly shops at the best grocers (and can comfortably afford to) turning up at the food bank!
Rob Halligan
186 Posted 06/04/2020 at 14:43:12
Received the following on a WhatsApp group from someone who posts on here, so I don't want to steal his thunder .

"Furlough is a coronavirus job retention scheme, designed to help smaller, vulnerable businesses".

Thank you Liverpool FC for confirming to the world .

YOU ARE JUST A SMALL CLUB!!

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

187 Posted 06/04/2020 at 14:44:00
In stark contrast by the astonishing fabrication in the Echo, Phil's linked article @ 181 shows Everton - and the CEO DB-B - in a very good light.

Link

Highlights from the article:

* picking up on the early signs of Covid-19 in late January, DB-B asked Paul McNicholas, the club’s director of risk & governance, for a new and hefty addition to their business continuity plan: pandemic.

* so rapidly did the club act pro-actively, rather than reactively, once the virus hit UK shores, that already in January Everton staff had software installed on their laptops in January to enable them to work from home if necessary.

* on March 13 - BEFORE the PL took the decision to close down the league - when an Everton player showed symptoms of the virus, DB-B ordered an immediate shutdown of Everton at both Finch Farm and the admin at the Liver Building as naturally people moved between the two.

* apparently, there exists a UK Covid-19 Business Pledge, a commitment by some of the biggest companies in the UK (including BP, Experian, National Grid and DLA Piper) to help employees, customers and communities get through the crisis.

Everton is the only football club signed up to the pledge (my emphasis).

In answer to a question Steve Ferns has raised about just how many full, part-time and casual staff the club employs, DB-B is quoted as saying:

'“As an organisation with a workforce of full, part-time and casual staff of nearly 1,000 people we have a duty of care to every single one of them.”

As I said in my opening, a very stark contrast to the appalling opinion piece by Kirkbride in the Echo.

Jerome Shields
188 Posted 06/04/2020 at 14:49:10
The scenario of the Pandemic or Spainish flu, known as the Big flu locally was a initial wave followed by a second wave. The second wave in which the virus mutated was the deadliest. Historically it was said to occur from 1918-1920, covering the two waves.

It was not till 1922 that daily life got back to normal, when people started to travel about as normal, accord in to a old man who is over 100. He lost his mother in the morning and the rest of his family that same afternoon, during a day in the second wave of the virus.

Of course it was different times than now, and hopefully times were better.

Gerard McKean
189 Posted 06/04/2020 at 14:49:11
Ray, I note that your comments in 109 were (to my mind) sarcastic ones about the EU in general and yet you deflect my criticism by speaking only of Germany. I’ll discuss the political situation in Germany with you all day long but TW is not the place; see you at the next get-together?
Eric Myles
190 Posted 06/04/2020 at 14:58:06
Steve #169, the RS media and PR will make sure everyone forgets about it, just like Heysel.
Tony Abrahams
191 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:05:43
Don’t mention Heysel, Eric, it’s a very sore point, and how dare you!
Eric Myles
192 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:23:28
Andrew #184, but it's not just about home game revenues is it?

What about domestic broadcasts? OK, doesn't affect ALL EPL teams, but

Overseas broadcasts does.

And sponsorships?

So if a club is not getting revenue in, or has to return revenue because it has not fulfilled its contractual obligations, how is it to survive?

Show me any club in the EPL that makes money once you take the mystical dark arts of accountancy out of the equation.

Ray Roche
193 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:29:13
Gerard@189.

I'll be delighted to see you at the next meeting, I have been at the last two at the Excelsior, really nice to meet the names and put a face to them.
It was less sarcasm, more frustration Gerard, the EU making it so awkward for us to leave yet hauling up the drawbridge straight away. Didn't seem right for members of a European Community to become so, almost, jingoistic. Not only my sentiments either. Do you have a connection with Germany Gerard?

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

194 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:34:06
Add Pep Guardiola's 82-year-old mother to the list of Covid-19 victims.
Ray Roche
195 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:39:58
Actually Gerard, I recall (I think!) meeting you at the last event. Didn't I mistake you for George, the New Brighton poet?
Dave Abrahams
196 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:40:28
Dave (183), well done Dave for trying to get Everton FC some well deserved praise over continuing to pay their staff without scrounging off the government and taking money that was in no way intended for them, like some wealthier clubs in the premier league. I hope the Daily Mirror do what you ask.
Patrick McFarlane
197 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:44:59
With all these shenanigans over money, it's refreshing to see young lads doing what all young lads do (given the chance) emulating footballing heroes and thoroughly enjoying themselves - is that Pickford in goal BTW :)

Great Goals

Brian Williams
198 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:48:02
Tony#191.
Come on now Tony, you know Heysel didn't really happen!
Brian Williams
199 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:48:58
Ray#195.
Ray you were so shitfaced you mistook ALL of us For George the NB poet. :-))))
Steve Brown
200 Posted 06/04/2020 at 15:57:03
Great to see Sam Hoare interviewed on Toffee TV about The English Game. Well done, Sam, great stories shared.
Steve Brown
201 Posted 06/04/2020 at 16:02:16
Jay @ 194, terrible news that.

The Olympics cancelled, the Open cancelled, Wimbledon cancelled but apparently the Premier League will start in June. Football has become a sickening joke frankly.

Alan J Thompson
202 Posted 06/04/2020 at 16:17:41
May she rest in peace.
Ray Roche
203 Posted 06/04/2020 at 16:33:14
Brian @199

No mate, that was another Ray! 😁

Kieran Kinsella
204 Posted 06/04/2020 at 16:50:15
The status of football is just bizarre. For Catholics, it is a mortal sin not to go to church and, with immortal souls in peril, the Pope is saying "we will just stay home and take our chances."

Likewise, the Muslim leaders are telling people not to go to Mecca. But football somehow in our society is seemingly worth the greatest sacrifice.

On another point, Wayne Rooney's "some players cannot afford a pay cut." Maybe true, but the people working at the pubs, restaurants, newsagents etc around every club in England can't afford a pay cut either but millions of them just lost their jobs entirely.

If we really want to pick and choose who among us deserves to keep their full paychecks, for day-to-day existence it is probably more important to make sure plumbers, electricians, welders, miners, etc keep their cash not to mention emergency services and teachers.

Gerard McKean
205 Posted 06/04/2020 at 17:03:25
Ray, no I don’t recall being mixed up with the great poet, although it’s possible as our names are very similar and the beer was flowing!

I do have strong connections to Germany; read Danny O”Neill”s excellent current article on TW and my post in response.

John Pierce
206 Posted 06/04/2020 at 17:03:57
I think several footballers have protested too much. I think they missed the point, it’s pretty tone deaf. I’m not asked them to save the country. I’m not asking them to save the NHS.

What the decent thing to do is look after your own. We are asking them too look after the business because they can and it won’t take from a fund not intended for a company in profit or with high capital value. So this bullshit about tax take etc is a smoke screen. Pay your tax then look after the staff at the club who are at risk, Ferns pointed out earlier even a conservative estimate of money needed to cover non playing staff for six months is ‘chicken feed’ for the players at premier league clubs.

The people who make a premier league players life easy, chefs, stewards, admin etc. are the people they should help. It’s means they don’t have to come to work and infect others, it means the club doesn’t furlough and take from the government when others need it.

Why are footballers getting a bad rap? Well they let the worst union in the world speak for them for starters. They were too slow to see what was happening too. However most of all footballers trade off more than businesses than let’s say a banker or other high earner. They tell us all the time the fans make a difference, they use our emotion and support to make money often not through a club but through image rights etc. Footballers are assets and make up much of the value a club is pegged at, so they are much more than just employees like other higher earners.

When that feeling is not recognized or reciprocated then expect a significant backlash.

Mike Gaynes
207 Posted 06/04/2020 at 17:28:15
I'm never one to credit Manchester United for class, but when City announced the passing of Pep's mother to the coronavirus, the very first organization to express condolences was United. Well done.

Steve #200, can you share a link? I'd love to see Sam on TV.

Dave Ganley
208 Posted 06/04/2020 at 17:48:34
Kieran #204, john #206 good posts
Jay Harris
209 Posted 06/04/2020 at 18:12:37
Oh my,

The poor dears might have to forego one of their Ferraris for 6 months while small businesses go to the wall left right and centre and all the poor health workers around the world do 80 to 100 hours a week putting their lives on the line.

I think it's a disgrace that top footballers and clubs and multi-million earning film stars and entertainers are not collectively doing enough.

For me, it's simple levy a, "Health Tax" of 50% on all earnings over £0.5 million a year as a one-off for this year.

Paul Hewitt
210 Posted 06/04/2020 at 18:38:02
Rs have now changed their minds
Dave Abrahams
211 Posted 06/04/2020 at 18:39:25
Well Liverpool have just done what many predicted on this thread, they’ve done a Uturn and are going to do what they should have done automatically, pay their non playing staff themselves. Absolutely shamed into it.
Brian Williams
212 Posted 06/04/2020 at 18:48:47
Dave, before they did the about-turn did you see the comments made by John Barnes in trying to justify the furlough decision?

What a complete and utter idiotic arsehole.

Patrick McFarlane
213 Posted 06/04/2020 at 18:53:41
I think this is why so many dislike the club and their acolytes who justify every decision or action by the club and its fans.

John Barnes

Dave Abrahams
214 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:23:57
Brian (212), like most football pundits, Barnes talks a load of nonsense when he talks about football. When it comes to financial matters, he is completely out of his depth. Instead of saying nothing, he tries to defend the indefensible.

The sad thing is Barnes, like all the Liverpool ‘mafia’ in the media, never learns and will make complete fools of themselves time after time and ironically become heroes to thousands of Liverpool fans who gobble up every stupid sentence they utter.

Johnny Rainford
215 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:29:23
What a vile club they are. As you say, Patrick #213, their mask well and truly slipped with this one and for a few days everyone else could see what us blues have all known for a long time.

Needless to say, the ex-RS players now pundits who infest all sections of the media will be going into overdrive with damage-limitation to make sure the media will soon be back to fawning all over them again before too long... After all, it's a well-oiled machine experienced in such things since Heysel, right? 😏

Darren Hind
216 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:31:34
Is right Dave A

We should never forget that they had to be shamed into it.

Disgrace of a club

John Keating
217 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:33:20
To be honest, the official announcement from the RS makes them look bigger gobshites than their original decision. Peter Moore should have apologised, said they'd made the wrong decision and left it at that.

But "opted to find alternative means" to pay staff sounds like they're either going to rob charity boxes, mug folk or find an alternative scam somewhere.

Absolutely classless Club.

Oliver Molloy
218 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:33:25
Christy @ 141,

No worries, Seamus Coleman is one decent human being and, as you rightly point out, a truly generous person with great human values.

He doesn't forget were he comes from, nor how lucky he is to have earned the money he has done playing for Everton and Ireland.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

219 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:36:17
TBF, Jamie Carragher and Stan Collymore in particular were scathing of the 'bours original tight-arse response.
Patrick McFarlane
220 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:36:43
John @ 217, You'd think that, but Oliver Holt along with so many other journalists actually praise them for making the right decision in the end - it's like somebody shooting somebody and then getting praised for calling the ambulance.

Liverpool ownership deserves plenty of credit for reversing the decision to take advantage of the government furlough scheme. It's one of the things that makes FSG good owners. They listen to the fans. And they're big enough to admit when they get it wrong.

Jay, Yes, they did, although JC tried to implicate Everton FC because the people who work at the club shop were put on furlough – but not by Everton FC rather by the company that employs them .

Robert Williams
221 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:39:34
Wow, I had no idea that John Barnes had that depth of knowledge, what a clever fellow, and he speaks so fast. Must have a fantastic brain to dream up all that bullshit!!
Dave Ganley
222 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:39:45
John, 217, yeah I thought that. Statement ended up trying to justify why they went down that path when they started whittering on about all the costs they were about to endure and no revenue coming in came across as very whiny, as you say, John.

Should have just left it at "Sorry, we made a mistake."

Rob Halligan
223 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:46:01
The damage has been done for the RS. They shouldn't have imposed furlough in the first place, and as many have said, they have been shamed into reversing the decision. I saw what Barnes said on SSN and couldn't believe that he actually agreed with what the shite had done. To think just because they, and every other premier league club, has paid millions in tax to the government, they actually deserve some of it back. Fuck all the smaller businesses in a far more serious need of this money eh, John!!

I'm not a bit surprised they changed the decision and will now be made to look like the good guys. Just like I won't be surprised when they are awarded the premier league title if this season doesn't finish, because it certainly won't be nulled and void.

A truly shameless club. Ashamed of nothing. Offended by everything.

Jay Wood
[BRZ]

224 Posted 06/04/2020 at 19:53:57
Don't get me wrong, Patrick. As John Keating says, that they have now reversed the decision makes them look even more twattish IMO.

Their CEO Peter Moore now coming out and saying: "We believe we came to the wrong conclusion last week and are truly sorry for that" serves to highlight that the 'suits' at Liverpool thought it was perfectly legit to furlough staff at the expense of the UK tax payer.

This decision reversal is not for the benefit of the fuloughed staff, or to refrain from claiming monies from the public coffers. It is solely based on protecting the LFC 'brand' and its commercial value, soiled by their earlier call.

'Doing the morally correct and decent thing' has not entered into the equation. It's a by-product of this 'damage limitation' move. Not the main motivator of it.

Tony Everan
226 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:00:12
Refer to post No.1 on this thread. Weasels have been shamed into it, to protect the brand and nothing else, as predicted.
John Pierce
227 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:01:01
I welcome their change of position, they won't be taking from a pot they had no moral right to take from. That has to be good.

It won't change the greed or how tone deaf they were in the first place, sadly it has played into stereotypes about Scousers and Liverpool as a city. The stain will never wash out.

Brian Wilkinson
228 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:13:12
Bob @137, will do a test now see if Edit works for me.
Brian Wilkinson
229 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:15:12
Not even got an Edit button showing up, Bob, either when I have submitted, or gone out then back in to view my post, no Edit button to be seen.
Paul Birmingham
230 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:21:16
The RS are the modern day King John, classless, vile and a very poorly run football club.

I hope any so called credible and value principle based, businesses linked with RS frauds, now and leave them out to fester.

John Barnes, has not never got over being a very bad manager in football.

It’s ridiculous when the red mites come out and start pretending it’s all a miss understanding.

The fans I know home and abroad and many darn south, have again reaffirmed their mutual dislike for our neighbours these past few days.

The increasingly ridiculous RS Echo, at the same time must be one of the most obsolete media services in global media,

But, let’s not forget that EFC has shown its class and style and respect for humanity.

They have made their own Epitaph, and none will forget, including the RS, especially local RS supporters. You look after your own first, you don’t mess with hearts and minds, in view of what the City and many other places have been through in terms of hardship and deprivation.

Shallow as hell, weak as they come, the RS, have shown their true colours, and the shame is on them for eternity.

Patrick McFarlane
231 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:28:22
Brian #227, The edit button works on my laptop. I am typing this on my phone I'll let you know if I can edit this message.

Yes, I can – the blue edit button appears above my message.

Rob Halligan
232 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:35:36
I had the Edit button on my Kindle Fire for a couple of weeks, but then it disappeared. Don't even know how I got it in the first place? Definitely something I could do with.
Derek Taylor
233 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:39:28
Here's the Edit button, thank goodness!
Brian Wilkinson
234 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:40:40
Cheers Patrick, I am on an apple iPad so wonder if that is where the issue of no Edit button showing is.

I will log onto my laptop in a bit and see if it appears there.

Any other posters not seeing an edit button?

Brian Wilkinson
235 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:43:50
Trying from phone for edit button test...
Brian Wilkinson
236 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:47:25
Nope no edit there either, will try laptop in a bit see if I have better luck there.
Derek Taylor
237 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:49:18
First you saw it, now you don't!
Patrick McFarlane
238 Posted 06/04/2020 at 20:55:51
According to the BBC's timeline.

18:39 Reds make u-turn on taking 'our' money.

18:58 Uefa President says :“I see no way for Liverpool to stay untitled,” Ceferin told Slovenian newspaper Ekipa.

“If the championship resumes, they will almost certainly win it. However, if it could not be played, it would also be necessary to announce the results in some way and find some key on how the champions should be determined. And, of course, again I do not see a scenario in which that would not be Liverpool.

“I understand that fans will be disappointed if it happens in an empty stadium or even at the green table, but I believe they will win the title one way or another.”

I think he said untitled but many would say entitled.

Paul Smith
239 Posted 06/04/2020 at 21:25:29
Got edit button when I became a TW patron paying £3 per month, at least that's when I noticed it...
Tony Abrahams
240 Posted 06/04/2020 at 21:44:11
This is the tweet I got forwarded onto my WhatsApp before from John Cross of the Daily Mirror. “Fantastic Liverpool👏👏👏.”

I'm sure the echo will be full of praise tomorrow, and I actually had another WhatsApp slagging Evertonians for laughing at their club, and trying to hit back with a load of bollocks about two billionaires trying to lend money off the council to build the Bramley-Moore Dock stadium.

The uproar off Liverpudlians might have stopped our council receiving around £150 million in these times of great need that are just around the corner but fuck them anyway because we know and they know and that's why I expect a load of fabricated texts about Everton during the next few days.

We can read them like a book an,d once this pandemic has passed, I hope Everton start writing a few chapters again just to see who the real bitter people are when things don't go there way!

I've no time for Boris Johnson, I'm glad he's not fit enough to lead our country, but I genuinely hope he makes a full recovery, against this horrible Covid-19. Just think of the irony in Liverpool's title, look at the number 19.

Rob Halligan
241 Posted 06/04/2020 at 21:45:19
I'm eagerly awaiting to see if Brian has any better luck with the edit button on his laptop!!
Steve Guy
242 Posted 06/04/2020 at 21:48:52
I have just sent the following mail to David Prentice as the senior writer at the Echo the piece referred to was a disgrace imo.

Hi David

I don't know if you've had other mails today Re the article by Phil Kirkbride “Everton face moral dilemma”? (6th April).

Everton have had a well thought out and structured Plan to deal with the Covid pandemic going back to January. If you haven't already read the excellent article in The Athletic I suggest you do. It's a well researched piece detailing the vision and subsequent application of a plan to tackle a pandemic by Everton's CEO and her management team.

So it was very disappointing to see this spurious article with its clear implication that Everton's early (and EPL leading) decision to fund staff salaries would be reviewed; with no substantive reasoning or evidence for this suggestion.

Why try and drag Everton into the debacle that other Clubs have embroiled themselves in? Your paper should be lauding Everton as a shining example of doing the right thing when many around have approached the whole issue so poorly. There's at least one Club on Merseyside that's always put people first and an article praising that would have been much more appropriate and would have sent a positive message in these trying times, rather than this pointless click bait.

I'd like to see this corrected by The Echo very soon with an apology to the Club for this poor excuse for journalism.

Best regards

Steve Guy

Sent from my iPhone

Peter Warren
243 Posted 06/04/2020 at 22:17:09
Quite right, Steve – Echo should give an apology.
Mike Hughes
245 Posted 06/04/2020 at 22:42:41
The RS
Horrible club, culture and fans.
Classless, sneering, dirty, self-entitled, self-pitying.
The word “gobshite” fits perfectly.
As others have stated, they were shamed into this reversal.
Sewer level.

The Echo
I haven’t bought it this millennium.
Any Blue who buys it needs to have a serious word with themselves.
Only fit for arse-wiping at best - then again Is not worthy of my arse-hole.
Even the on-line version is trash.
I encourage Blues to boycott it.
Don’t even give them clicks.

Prentice is a RS lickspittle. Or arse-licker if you prefer.

One Evertonian is worth a thousand RS.

Just thought I’d get this off my chest.

Stay healthy Blues.
(I’m no Tory but include Boris Johnson in that sentiment. Hope he recovers.)

Christy Ring
246 Posted 06/04/2020 at 22:43:59
Steve @242 Great article. As for the redshite, too little too late. The harm was done, and they were shamed into reversing their decision, not only by the backlash, but for commercial reasons. I cannot understand how any journalists or former players can now praise them for doing a u-turn, it was utter greed, by a Small Club.
Paul Birmingham
247 Posted 06/04/2020 at 22:44:32
The RS Echo won’t and will never change its classless and amateurish brand of journalism.

It brings scorn, embarrassment on any genuine matter were EFC or football bar the RS, is concerned and up holds applause for the classless RS.

The world knows their true colours, making a total mockery and own goal of their so called unwanted values.

But expect the gutter press and media to be be trying to contort the facts.

The world has seen and had enough of the RS.

Billy Roberts
248 Posted 06/04/2020 at 22:45:23
Steve @242

Well done, excellent letter.

Belated thanks to Dave Ganley @183.

How appropriate that the accompanying picture of Gordon Taylor makes him look like one of the "Comedians" of the 1970s show.

Liverpool make a u-turn after a hit and run. I didn't think I could dislike that club anymore.

Steve Guy
249 Posted 06/04/2020 at 22:59:06
If I get a reply. I'll copy it here. may take a while as no doubt the Echo will be focussed on helping get the other lot out of the swamp they voluntarily jumped into.
Brian Wilkinson
250 Posted 06/04/2020 at 23:11:00
No luck here, Rob.
Brian Wilkinson
251 Posted 06/04/2020 at 23:21:04
I have emailed ToffeeWeb, Rob, to see if it is a browser issue that the edit button is not visible, or is it only available to people who have Everton patron.
Brian Wilkinson
252 Posted 06/04/2020 at 23:24:37
Well done, Steve @42, excellent letter,

Funny how the Echo allow comments on an Everton article but made sure there was no comments on the Liverpool story the other day, where we could add our views.

Rob Halligan
253 Posted 06/04/2020 at 23:57:59
Shame, Brian. You'll just have to be a bit more careful with what you're typing, and read it back before posting!
Bob Parrington
254 Posted 07/04/2020 at 01:10:23
Eric @ 164. Ha!Ha! mate. I might be having short term memory loss nowadays but I have about 10 different salts in the kitchen. Alas, the water on the brain doesn't help.

Stay witty and stay safe!

Bob Parrington
255 Posted 07/04/2020 at 01:27:01
Brian@229. Doing this to test the edit again. plus - what a fantastic article about DBB, a very special person.

Went to Submit your comment to send

Clicked on the refresh page

Bottom left hand corner - Edit button just below date and time and adjacent "Flag this comment"

Just editing now

Save changes on blue tab at the bottom

Done

Derek Thomas
256 Posted 07/04/2020 at 01:30:10
Patrick @ 238; He's right - there will be a way found, one way or another. The rs obsessed powers that be and media will see to it.
Brian Wilkinson
257 Posted 07/04/2020 at 02:40:36
Cheers will try that Bob.
Brian Wilkinson
259 Posted 07/04/2020 at 02:45:01
Well that did not go to plan Bob, refreshed page, nothing coming up in bottom left hand corner and ended up putting the above in.

Think I will just have to double check before hitting the submit button.

Bob Parrington
260 Posted 07/04/2020 at 03:15:23
Must be frustrating Brian. My keyboard skills have never been very good and so I need to edit regularly. I'd typed shills instead of skills and so needed the edit again🤔

Stay safe!

Derek Knox
261 Posted 07/04/2020 at 07:39:23
Bob @ 260, in all fairness it's not always typos that are the culprit, most people have that auto correction/predictive text facility on whatever device they are using.

I have cursed it many a time as I generally go through my contribution before submitting any post, then to my chagrin find that it has again been altered en route to the Editors, or appearing on TW.

It is infuriating to say the least, so don't self-flagellate yourself too much, it is not always yours or anyone's fault, unless there has been 'genuine typos'.

Paul Tran
262 Posted 07/04/2020 at 08:18:16
Watching from here up north, it's been hilarious to watch this unravel. The RS' 'businesslike' announcement of their furloughing, the justification by the usual suspects, the honourable reactions of the ones I know back home, the shock in the media at the thought of LFC doing anything wrong and now we have the deification of the wonderful club that's put everything right because it 'listens'.

If they listened, they'd never have done it in the first place.

What a complete self-serving shithouse of a club.

And I'm glad you can't get the Echo up here.

Stay safe and well, everyone.

Bob Parrington
263 Posted 07/04/2020 at 08:59:50
I like that Paul. Stated with feeling and purpose. Pity the dark side can't be so genuine.
George McKane
264 Posted 07/04/2020 at 09:07:44
Morning fellow Friends and Blues,

I sincerely hope you are all well and finding someway through these days - - I am very busy maintaining a daily on-line programme for all the young people involved in Yellow House.

I rarely if ever comment on here about Liverpool - - but as someone who constantly quotes Rick Parry to any Red who says "can't afford a ticket" - -a quite definite move towards "more affluent spenders than locals".

I found this article in The Guardian quite amazing - on the day that Oliver Holt, of course, has decided to praise "The Reds" for their turnaround - - worth a read.

Bob Parrington
265 Posted 07/04/2020 at 09:08:03
Hi Derek, How far north? I ask because my wife is a Geordie. We were just making a short phone video to wish our granddaughter (local to us in Adelaide) a happy 18th birthday this coming Saturday. Her mum suggested such. Great idea. This will be a birthday to remember for her!

Be safe, stay well.

Tony Abrahams
266 Posted 07/04/2020 at 09:13:11
I have a mate in London who supports Arsenal, Paul and he was telling me about his Liverpool mate, who had been slaughtering Spurs and Newcastle, but wouldn’t engage on the subject once Liverpool did the same, saying instead, that there was a lot more serious issues going on right now.

I told him I expected a U-turn from Liverpool, and then their fans would be pacified, because a lot of the media, will go on about how the club, have once again listened to their fans. (We know the drill, pissssssing in pockets works wonderfully!)

My Arsenal mate text me last night with a thumbs up, telling me how right I was, laughing telling me his red mate had been back on, saying they always listen to the best fans in the world! How nauseatingly pacifying!!

George McKane
267 Posted 07/04/2020 at 09:44:20
Link

This is the Guardian Link - - apologies.

Steve Guy
268 Posted 07/04/2020 at 09:54:47
As promised in #242 above. I received this reply from Joe Rimmer (Dave Prentice forwarded my mail to him)

Hi Stephen,

Dave passed on your thoughts about Phil's article. I feel that the piece was not intended to be critical of Everton in any way at all.

He is praising Everton "as a club that understands how much the game can be a force for good", and acknowledges their position in what is a difficult situation for all. Everton are themselves "regularly reviewing the situation" and Phil simply points out that they should continue to stick to their guns.

There is nothing spurious about it and I can assure you that Phil has thoroughly done his research and is one of, if not the best connected journalist covering the club right now.

As for praising Everton for the good they do, then no publication does that louder and more often than we do. In the past week alone we have published a number of stories praising the excellent work done by the club on Merseyside.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-make-huge-donation-help-17952820
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fans-proved-right-club-18030010
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-taking-special-step-country-18026805
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/dad-left-tears-everton-fc-17949532
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-make-brilliant-commitment-former-18020420

Kind regards,

Joe

Steve Guy
269 Posted 07/04/2020 at 10:04:30
The 268 above. My reply

Hi Joe thanks for your reply which I appreciate.
I have to tell you I wasn’t the only person who took my interpretation over the one you outline of the article’s content.
Perhaps clarity in the wording for future pieces might eradicate the potential for misinterpretation.

Thanks again

Derek Thomas
270 Posted 07/04/2020 at 10:19:06
George@ 267; rs, you always get exactly what it says on the tin. About time the media broke ranks and got real in their coverage. We've all known for years what they are, but we were just bitter.
Tony Shelby
271 Posted 07/04/2020 at 10:36:40
Tony Abrahams
272 Posted 07/04/2020 at 10:40:51
That article was written in 2013, so I wouldn’t be expecting many people in the media to tell it exactly like it is now.

The press won’t turn on the players, because they are to scared to tell the truth, in case the players take offence and refuse to deal with them in the future, so with a club like Liverpool FC, then you would only expect that fear to multiply one hundred-fold?

George Stuart
273 Posted 07/04/2020 at 11:40:20
Hey George(264)
Thanks for the Guardian link. Knew a bit of that stuff. Cynical dosn't cover it. The RS business hierarchy must be spewing over the Royal Blue Riverfront wonderland. All whilst they are stuck in a waistland. More ironicly, of their own making.

The average Kopites will still try and revile over our new home. Simply put, they never want a level playing field. So pour shit on anyone or anything who might prove a threat.

Classless.

George McKane
274 Posted 07/04/2020 at 11:59:49
That's enough for me on here about THEM - - only to add that an old friend of mine who lived in The Anfield Plan Area with his elderly mother was treated dreadfully by THAT Club.

Enough.

I do hope that you are all fit and well - - as much as can be - - take care of yourselves:
"How does it feel to be
One of the beautiful people
How often have you been there
Often enough to know
What did you see when you were there
Nothing that doesn't show"

Up The Blues - - Cosmic and Bluetiful Waves to You All from Blue Sky new Brighton. Yahooooooo.

Chris Williams
275 Posted 07/04/2020 at 12:03:31
It’s all too beautiful
Patrick McFarlane
276 Posted 07/04/2020 at 12:04:41
Tony #272 I don't think it is the club that the media are frightened of, it's the highly organised, very active and extraordinarily media savvy fan-base that they are scared of, none of the media outlets want to be treated like the S*n and that's the reason that they bend over backwards to placate those fans at any given opportunity. Any Everton related tweet or press release is always accompanied by a Reds supporting comment usually derogarty and accompanied with 'six' emojis depicting the European Cup.
Steve Brown
277 Posted 07/04/2020 at 12:08:49
Mike @ 207, just pop toffee tv into the search engine on YouTube and Sam's video pops up.

If someone could give a tutorial on adding a link in here I'd be grateful!

Patrick McFarlane
278 Posted 07/04/2020 at 12:18:48
Sam Hoare

Steve firstly copy the http address, then paste it into the comment box on here, next select what you pasted and then select [Green] URL under the comment box.

eg http/www.whateverAddress Select from browser address
copy and paste that into the comment box
highlight the address you pasted
Click the Green URL box under the comment box
should end up with something like "http/www.whatever>Link<

Dave Abrahams
280 Posted 07/04/2020 at 12:38:15
George (273), the Bramley-Moore Dock site is doing the redshites' heads in and that is before a blue brick has been laid and three years away from being played on. They will worry themselves into mental homes thinking about it.

George (274), nice to hear from you George, hope you and all the lads you look after are doing okay, I keep telling myself we will soon be back at Goodison watching the Blues. Stay well George, and keep posting.

Eric Myles
281 Posted 07/04/2020 at 13:03:29
Tony#271

"Leagues across Europe have been told that ending competitions early could result in them forfeiting Champions League and Europa League places."

So the CL and EL would run a competition with a reduced number of teams? Or would make up the numbers with teams from Azerbaijan and Timbuktoo just to stick it to the European domestic leagues?? They'd be a laughing stock.

About time that the domestic leagues told them where to go and look after their own first.

George McKane
282 Posted 07/04/2020 at 13:13:56
Dave - - - thank you - - and everyone - - all well and hope you are - - on City Talk via Zoom at 13.30 and then Fitness via Zoom with our gang and then an open chat room - - via Zoom - - with a cuppa - - please take care - - "God Bles Everyone" said Tiny Tim (Cahil)
Steve Brown
283 Posted 07/04/2020 at 13:58:40
Thanks Patrick!
Tony Abrahams
284 Posted 07/04/2020 at 14:02:35
Scared of Liverpool’s fan base? Good point Patrick and shows what shit-houses most of the press are in this country.

My prediction was right, they have got this furlough cup flying round, and a tour bus saying our name on it, but like a “woman” who constantly switches the argument, they don’t fool us for a minute!

You’ve got to enter it to win it, and that’s why we never won the European cup.

Johnny Rainford
285 Posted 07/04/2020 at 15:47:29
Gobshites and their media luvvies goin all out for resumption of normality so they can get their hands on their precious "...its more important than that!" Fucking title.

Meanwhile in the real world these figures suggest it aint happening any time soon. Total lock down imminent?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8196183/UKs-coronavirus-death-toll-jumps-record-high-854-day-6-227-known-victims.html

Dave Ganley
286 Posted 07/04/2020 at 16:07:49
Steve Guy #269 that was pretty much the answer I got from joe rimmer too. I just said thanks for the reply but we shall have to agree to disagree. I also mentioned several times about the DBB article in the athletic which they studiously ignored. Maybe we will see an article about it in the coming week..

Not sure I'll hold my breath though

Brian Wilkinson
287 Posted 08/04/2020 at 00:39:09
Here’s a question for the guys in the know.

It is now saying the transfer window will happen at a later date and any current contracts due to end in June will also be extended.

Everton are looking to offload Niasse, Martina and a few others.

Will Everton be expected to pay an extended contract for these guys, or will we be able to release these guys in June, rather than their contracts be extended.

Bob Parrington
288 Posted 08/04/2020 at 03:40:20
George@267 Thanks for the link. The Guardian article is certainly a damning indictment of LFC. They should change their anthem to "You'll always walk in shame"
Alan J Thompson
289 Posted 08/04/2020 at 05:10:39
The BBC Football site has an article supposedly showing what clubs are doing to pay or reduce their wage bills and under Everton it states that there are no plans to furlough staff at the moment but the situation is under review and may be amended in future.

Is this the case or is it a consequence of the Echo article. If so, Everton should, quite publicly, demand a retraction from both parties.

Eric Myles
290 Posted 08/04/2020 at 08:37:29
Brian #287, if the contract expires then nobody can force either party to extend it against their will.

The Club might just agree to an extension though based on the players not being able to find other clubs due to Covid.

After all, we're not total arseholes like those across the park.

Tony Abrahams
291 Posted 08/04/2020 at 08:44:51
Seriously Eric, how many games have these two players played between them in combining nearly nine years at the club, and how much have they earned for that privilege?
Eric Myles
292 Posted 09/04/2020 at 07:13:26
Dunno Tony, but they did the right thing by Leighton Baines when they didn't have to so I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same again in these exceptional times.

Personally I wouldn't blame the Club whatever way they choose to handle it.

George Stuart
293 Posted 10/04/2020 at 16:08:02
Can anyone tell me how long Gordon Taylor has been "chief" of the PFA for?

Just wondering like. Job for life maybe? Un-accountable NGO with extraordinary power.

Who are these organisations that throw themselves up, like say, FIFA and UAFA? If nothing else the Premier League proved the impermanence of such things by marginalising the Football League. But then how sad that they cast aside their most enjoyable spectacle, the FA Cup. Still, I expect Rupert Murdoch didn't care much for it.

Patrick McFarlane
294 Posted 10/04/2020 at 16:41:47
George #293 a good question and according to a BBC report in March of last year:

Gordon Taylor has confirmed he will leave his role as chief executive of the Professional Footballers' Association after 38 years. Taylor, 74, has headed up the players' union since 1981 after taking over from former secretary Cliff Lloyd.

But his departure comes after the organisation announced a "full and open review" into its finances. "I have given the majority of my life to the advancement of the PFA," he said at the PFA's annual general meeting. The meeting, held on Wednesday in Manchester, should have taken place in November.

Taylor will remain in his post until the review is complete and presented at the following AGM.

The PFA has also said its entire management committee and current chairman Ben Purkiss will step down.

Yet, here he is – over 12 months later!

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