Mason Holgate is ruled out with a shin injury and is expected to be replaced by Yerry Mina
Under fire following a dismal showing at Spurs on Monday, Everton are back at Goodison Park tomorrow evening to take on improved Southampton.
In his pre-match press conference, Carlo Ancelotti insisted that while European qualification was still a possibility, his players would need to fight for every victory, but he will know that the Blues simply have to win to keep alive their hopes of finishing in a Europa League spot.
The defeat the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium left Everton in 11th place in the table, seven points off seventh place with only five games left. More than that, however, the insipid manner of the defeat means supporters watching on from home will be demanding a response from the team.
They will also be eyeing Ancelotti's team selection with interest. Given the proximity of games in the calendar, the manager was always likely to make changes to his line-up, although at least one will be enforced due to injury while others might hand opportunities to some players to make statement.
Mason Holgate will miss the game after picking up an injury at Tottenham. The defender took a heavy knock to his shin in a challenge with Giovani lo Celso in the 1-0 defeat and will sit out against Saints.
That will almost certainly see Yerry Mina start for the first time since the resumption of the season alongside Michael Keane.
Ancelotti announced presser that Theo Walcott is available following an abdominal operation and that Djibril Sidibé is fit enough to start which could mean an entirely different right flank for this one if both players are named in the line-up.
Meanwhile, Alex Iwobi will be assessed for a minor hamstring problem and Fabian Delph continues to work on an individualised programme to get him closer to being ready to play.
In contrast to Everton's showing last time out, Southampton have looked purposeful in three of their last four matches. Though they succumbed 2-0 at home to Arsenal on 25th June, they beat Norwich City handily 3-0 a few days before Everton themselves won at Carrow Road and also won comfortably at Watford.
In their last game they successfully held off deposed champions Manchester City and record a 1-0 win that lifted them to within a point of the Blues coming into this fixture.
In Danny Ings they have one of the division's most in-form strikers with 18 goals and he has led their revival in fortunes under Ralph Hassenhüttl since the 9-0 drubbing at the hands of Leicester in October that had many wondering if the Austrian's days at St Mary's were numbered.
Aside from the European picture, simple league placing could be hugely important to Everton given that each position is worth around £2m in merit payments. So, while they won't be able to bridge the gap to either Spurs or Burnley above them with a win in this game, they can at least keep in touch with the clubs above them in the hope of leap-frogging some of them before the end of the season.
Kick-off: 6pm, Thursday 9 July 2020
Referee: Lee Mason
VAR: Andy Madley
Last Time:Everton 2-1 Southampton
Predicted Line-up: Pickford, Sidibé, Keane, Mina, Digne, Gomes, Davies, Gordon, Walcott, Richarlison, Calvert-Lewin
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1 Posted 08/07/2020 at 18:15:09
2 Posted 08/07/2020 at 18:41:49
Carlo is diplomatic in his pressers, but reading between the lines it sounds like he read the riot act to some of our midfielders after Tottenham. I am expecting a reaction.
3 Posted 08/07/2020 at 18:45:02
We lose a lot in building attacks through losing Holgate. Keane can pass, but only if he has time and space and when under pressure he makes mistakes. Mina is better than Keane, but I'd rather have Holgate.
4 Posted 08/07/2020 at 18:57:45
5 Posted 08/07/2020 at 19:01:59
Unless SF knows better.
6 Posted 08/07/2020 at 19:02:01
Edit: the Wolves game is definitely on Sky Sports Pick. It's a 12 noon kick-off, this Sunday.
7 Posted 08/07/2020 at 19:13:53
8 Posted 08/07/2020 at 19:14:21
Never get an injury and never look tired.
9 Posted 08/07/2020 at 19:17:09
10 Posted 08/07/2020 at 19:21:08
11 Posted 08/07/2020 at 19:47:37
12 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:34:21
13 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:37:51
Yes it is extremely embarrassing, but not as embarrassing as it may have been if Duncan hadn't have stopped the rot at Christmas time.
14 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:38:03
15 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:41:08
16 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:44:10
17 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:46:54
18 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:48:56
19 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:50:28
20 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:51:11
21 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:51:36
22 Posted 08/07/2020 at 20:52:44
23 Posted 08/07/2020 at 21:02:44
24 Posted 08/07/2020 at 21:04:21
A lot to be said about instilling fear into the players, but they would be on the phone to their agents as quick as you could say "CRAP!"
25 Posted 08/07/2020 at 21:09:32
26 Posted 08/07/2020 at 21:51:36
Unfortunately for our young potentials, they walk into a room of senior players who accepted and preached that "good enough" was taking a knife to a gunfight or being plucky. It didn't matter if we lost to the top 6 because it wasn't expected to win, so if we did it was a bonus. Listen to some of Jagielka's interviews and the arm wrapping around Barkley.
I agree with you Steve, but it is the mentality throughout the club that has to change otherwise hopeful and talented youngsters with a desire to win will have their wings clipped when then step up into a culture of negativity and losing mentality.
27 Posted 08/07/2020 at 22:12:49
28 Posted 08/07/2020 at 22:23:47
29 Posted 08/07/2020 at 22:24:45
And to your point about the homesick thing; didn't he come into football late because he was a home boy? And didn't he occasionally get bullied out of taking the odd penalty when it was his responsibility?
Great player but didn't have the mentality to be a winner and not a leader. We have too many of those.
30 Posted 08/07/2020 at 22:41:45
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31 Posted 08/07/2020 at 22:47:26
32 Posted 08/07/2020 at 22:48:54
Everton FC are in a malaise that cannot be solved by new mangers and players. Their mind-set is firmly embedded in their psyche. A psyche of inevitable defeat against teams from the top six away from home.
Our club needs an Exorcism. And that can only be achieved by relegation and clearing out everything and everyone from the board to ball-boys.
We are going nowhere, and we have to accept a radical change and overhaul to our club to survive. Otherwise... RIP Everton.
33 Posted 08/07/2020 at 22:58:45
Carlo as our coach.
David Moyes as DoF.
After all, the one thing you could be fairly certain of with a player Moyes picked, was that they would be:-
Willing to track back.
Fit in personality-wise into the squad
Or were they?
Answers on a postcard to:-
Everton FC Co Ltd
34 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:06:51
35 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:11:31
We need to find out what he was doing in training to build the players up to that fitness.
36 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:18:08
But, glutton for punishment that I am, I just went down the fixture list and standings rabbit hole.
If we win our remaining games and finish on 59 points, I'd bet we'll qualify for Europe.
Will that happen? Probably not. Everton just let you down. Honestly, what's going to happen is we'll win tomorrow, start to get our hopes up again, and then lay a fart against Wolves.
Or if the Everton gods are cruel, we'll actually beat Wolves, hope will really return, and we'll lose to Shefield.
But, at this moment I believe 7th is still on.
I honestly think Europe would kill us next season. We're not deep enough, and we're not ready. It'll piss Carlo off as we'll miss a goal he set - European qualification. But we need a midfielder, and we need more time under Carlo. If we extend ourselves too far, too quickly, I think it'll bite us in the ass in the long run.
37 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:21:23
They've talked a lot about the “right personalitiesâ€ since RM arrived and Brands is always saying. We seem to have a squad of similar personality types but the problem is the shared trait is anxiety/depression. Gomes, Keane and Bernard have all come out publicly and discussed their battles with periods of anxiety and depression.
I realize mental health is a serious issue and laud them for their honesty. But in competitive sport, is that a trait you want in their squad?
Case in point: Years ago, an NFL psychologist did a study with England players after Euro 96. He said Southgate would not have been drafted in the NFL due to his anxious/negative outlook and he specifically said it was no surprise Southgate missed the penalty at Euro 96.
38 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:23:48
Coleman Keane Mina Digne
Richarlison Davies Baningime Gordon
Pick the keeper. I want Virginia, it'll never happen, Pickford's pissed me off so much lately, I can't write his name in the lineup.
39 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:25:13
I realize mental health is a serious issue and laud them for their honesty. But in competitive sport, is that a trait you want in their squad?
No. In fact, you want the polar opposite.
40 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:30:06
I know I'm just being diplomatic because, though I have the same issues myself, I'm anxious someone will call me heartless and totally twist my comments to portray me as a mental health cynic.
41 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:33:19
This farcical attempt to finish the season defies common sense. The remaining games should never have been played. Games played behind closed doors to an audience of none and an enthusiasm level of ZERO is purely for financial reasons.
I consider myself a fanatical Evertonian who has supported for eons. I really just don't care what happens for the next five games. They are friendlies that may give some insight into who may be playing for Everton next season. I just don't care who is good bad or indifferent. Next season is a new dawn and I can only hope for the best. Just like the sincere supporters of every team in the country.
I am a chess player who hates watching games of chess. This idiotic finale to a season is a meaningless chess game. As much as I appreciate the appalling disaster of Covid-19, it seems that attempts to finish a fiasco of a season are unwarranted. For an endless number of reasons, I consider the football season as over in March.
Liverpool should have been given their title in March so that their over-the-top gloating, rioting and general lack of class would have been over by March. I still long for a new season, with new players and a whole new perspective. I just don't care about last season. It finished in March.
42 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:40:48
Nowadays people really, really walk on eggshells. You say 'diplomatic', I say overly careful choosing their words for fear the "PC Language Police" will rear their ugly heads and crucify anyone who doesn't agree with their definition of what should and shouldn't be said.
For me, if I'm running any sports team / franchise, I want, top to bottom, team players who are mentally rock solid.
That's not saying anything disparaging about anyone with mental health shortcomings or issues. And those pros who have overcome any mental health issues need to be held up as examples of what can be achieved.
But, for me, I'd want every player to be mentally rock solid. I think that's a human condition that, in professional sport, provides a better likelihood of success.
That's my opinion. If anyone disagrees with that, fine. If they find anything I've said offensive or not compassionate, I'd reject that notion, recognizing their right to have their own opinion.
43 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:54:21
One of the best sports documentaries I ever saw was on British cycling and featured Vicky Pendleton. Remember this is a double Olympic champion sprinter and nine time world champion. One of our best ever athletes. She's a pure winner.
However, Vicky was clearly an emotional mess. On the documentary it was clear to see she only got into cycling as she had a pushy father who lived vicariously through her. She seemed to be almost bullied by him and almost bullied by the likes of Shane Sutton. But in terms of sport, it worked. They broke her down and built her back up again many times.
You can't break down a guy like Keane. Not roy anyway. You can someone like Michael. And clearly in the case of Pendleton, you can turn a girl who is overly sensitive and often in tears into a fierce winner.
I do think we need one Roy Keane though. Preferably with pace.
Link to the Vicky Pendleton documentary and for the avoidance of doubt, the tears I refer to are whilst she is at the top and she is not rock solid mentally after she starts winning. She's a mess off the bike (seemingly) at all times.
44 Posted 08/07/2020 at 23:54:48
More often than not a turgid first half was followed by an improved showing in the second or a late charge to sneak the points. Sometimes, the Blues took a healthy half time lead and on the occasions that they held that lead to take the points they didn't often break their necks to put their opponents to the sword.
The constant references to David Moyes and his methods I have read today, bring me close to tears as he's been gone for seven years and it is chastening that despite the passing of time and the huge outlay on players - we have to use the ginger one as our touchstone.
Whomever broke the mirror or ran over the black cat please apologise to the football Gods and help us to move forward, please!
45 Posted 08/07/2020 at 00:00:59
46 Posted 09/07/2020 at 00:15:09
47 Posted 09/07/2020 at 00:37:51
I'm watching a beautiful interview between Ian Snodin and Howard Kendall. Howard's comment on when he went to scout the then Liverpool reserve Kevin Sheedy with Colin Harvey and their discussion afterwards:
"I'm concerned about your work rate"
"That's because I'm a first-team player Mr Kendall, put me in your first team"
Belief and arrogance. But winning mentality.
48 Posted 09/07/2020 at 01:06:16
The Victoria Pendleton comparison is a poor one because she's involved in individual pursuits. Having 10 teammates around you, with the fear of letting them down, adds a different dimension.
If it's common knowledge, in the public domain, that your teammates are angst-ridden and mentally weak too, then where do you turn?
I suspect there's a safety in numbers as it were. We all cower together, we all blend in, we all avoid responsibility, we all fail, the manager gets sacked and we carry on with the next guy in charge.
49 Posted 09/07/2020 at 01:30:25
The article is in the Guardian and the Mail has a similar item.
50 Posted 09/07/2020 at 01:33:13
Oscar the Grouch from Sesame Street has a better mentality from this shower.
51 Posted 09/07/2020 at 01:36:38
52 Posted 09/07/2020 at 02:29:49
You can say either.
And your response is hilarious and absolute gold.
Rather than undiplomatic, your stock just increased in my estimation.
53 Posted 09/07/2020 at 02:36:58
You need Indians to go with your chiefs.
I couldn't agree more.
You're a smart man. I know you are already aware of this, but just to be crystal clear - if you ever come State-side do not use that phraseology.
You will be drawn and quartered by the totalitarian PC state in America.
You've been warned. ;0)
54 Posted 09/07/2020 at 02:40:37
55 Posted 09/07/2020 at 04:38:56
However, my bigger beef is that your comments add to the stigma over mental issues and the stigma is one of the obstacles of dealing with what is a terrible modern-day scourge that ruins lives of those that suffer as well as their loved ones. It's okay to have an ACL injury. It's okay to have mental health issues. It doesn't mean the person is somehow "not a winner".
On the wider point I do agree we need a winning mentality. A big part of this simply comes from winning. This is why the "other lot"'s youngsters are confident â€“ they are playing in a confident winning team. It's why promoted clubs often start seasons well... they have been used to winning and then gradually start to get used to losing.
I would be interested in any academic study done on this â€“ anecdotal evidence doesn't really get us anywhere (despite my use of it above!).
56 Posted 09/07/2020 at 05:17:23
57 Posted 09/07/2020 at 07:20:42
You can have a stinker and still be on the teamsheet next week.
The better clubs have so much competition for places that guys know that a lazy performance will get them the hook during the game and a seat on the bench next time.
Watching Man City last night you could see that, if one of them missed a pass or didn't make the run, they were twitching wondering if Pep would hook them for another.
I won't compare us to the other lot, as I am sick of them.
Name another club who would have put up with Schniederlin for so long and still played him. Then think of the other lads who saw him cheat a living and they also think (subconsciously) that they are in the comfort zone.
It's simply all too easy. Put in half a shift, look busy and you are in again next week.
58 Posted 09/07/2020 at 07:33:22
This is one of the reasons why others are persevered with. The season is a dead rubber, there is little to lose or gain. He will play Walcott, Sigurdsson and Delph when fit, as it helps keep the illusion that they are worth something.
We sure have a lot of deadwood to clear out.
59 Posted 09/07/2020 at 07:55:20
60 Posted 09/07/2020 at 08:02:04
How many more flaccid end-of-season performances can we stomach? I'm sick of the garbage we serve up. When was the last time we gave a good stuffing to the opposition?
Too many snowflakes in our squad. I would love just one Roy Keane on our side. We have no winners in the team. Carlo is the only winner.
61 Posted 09/07/2020 at 08:07:30
I haven't rewatched Steves V Pendleton link but the following article is from cycling weekly in March of this year, and makes an interesting read. Much of it can be related to football and football teams. Note particularly the bit about 'Tiger Woods Syndrome' from which we seem to suffer in reverse when it comes to the so called big six.
"The peloton itself is handy at the art of mind games. Using the press to psyche out rivals or propagate their own myths ahead of a race, with carefully selected words, isn't uncommon. Spindler calls it the "Tiger Woods syndrome". "Look at Peter Sagan. He's won bike races before he has even started at times. The person doesn't matter â€“ it's the context that matters" he adds."
Spindler calls it the "Tiger Woods syndrome".
"Look at Peter Sagan. He's won bike races before he has even started at times. The person doesn't matter â€“ it's the context that matters" he adds."
You may have to disable ad-blocker on the site to read it.
62 Posted 09/07/2020 at 08:10:48
Southampton will be on a high after beating city, but this game is a test for the hierarchy to stamp their authority on the players who want to stay next season. We'll know if they do with a rampant performance and 3 or 4 - 0 home win, or else we'll rollover and get beat with a woeful performance. If that happens I hope that we will be having a clear out and rebuild, in order that owner and manager can achieve what we all want, being top four regularly and challenging to win the league, and being in the Champions league with a great squad.
63 Posted 09/07/2020 at 08:56:21
64 Posted 09/07/2020 at 09:05:34
65 Posted 09/07/2020 at 09:07:58
66 Posted 09/07/2020 at 09:11:02
The USA has Johnny Cash, Bob Hope and Stevie Wonder. The UK has no Cash, no Hope, no bloody Wonder.
67 Posted 09/07/2020 at 09:17:00
68 Posted 09/07/2020 at 09:23:46
Sidibe Keane Mina Digne
Richarlison Gomes Davies Gordon
I'd much prefer to give Gomes a rest but Sigurdsson was so terrible against Spurs and Beningame must be looking very mediocre in training if he's not even had a few minutes since the restart. Never expected to say this but I wish Delph were fit!
69 Posted 09/07/2020 at 09:40:44
70 Posted 09/07/2020 at 09:46:01
71 Posted 09/07/2020 at 09:52:00
72 Posted 09/07/2020 at 10:10:04
Just when you think the season's over this lot play again
I hate them do much I'd actually forgotten they were playing again today
Please make it stop
Ps how's the fictional new ground coming along ?
73 Posted 09/07/2020 at 10:26:12
Expect another snoozefest as the Saints have just as much to play for as we have.
74 Posted 09/07/2020 at 10:26:49
To get rid of the shite out of the club.
Is to make Garry Neville manager.
75 Posted 09/07/2020 at 10:40:40
76 Posted 09/07/2020 at 10:45:38
Enjoyed that one, it has slipped through the humour net
77 Posted 09/07/2020 at 10:52:06
Of the 20 names on the list there is not a single Everton player. Which is appalling really and demonstrates our lack of creativity. The likes of Sigurdsson, Gomes, Bernard, Iwobi, Richarlison and Calvert-Lewin should all be hoping to feature in or around that list.
Top of the list was Jack Grealish who creates 2.17 chances per match, followed by Buendia on 2.08 and then Adama Traore on 1.63. Our old Deulofeu comes in 4th at 1.58 and tonight opponents have Nathan Redmond at 18th with 1.2.
Wolves have 3 in the top 20 and Leicester have 5. Not a single Everton player!
78 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:07:22
Gordon and Walcott have to start as we simply could not go with the same personnel as Monday night. If Siggy and Iwobi are in the starting eleven then we need to start worrying!
79 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:07:59
80 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:08:39
On a positive, I feel totally relaxed about this evening. The negative to that positive is that I feel totally relaxed about an Everton fixture as I have no expectation! It has been sapped out of me.
81 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:18:36
Most of the time it's not about ability, more on the decision making. How many times have we seen that final ball literally come to nothing? Walcott is the worst for that, bags of talent but so bloody frustrating when he's in a good position and plays a nothing ball to no one.
82 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:20:13
That particular one is clearly an "eye opener".
We all know from the evidence of our own eyes that Everton needs a playmaker in midfield. That list/stat. just underlines by how much we are currently lagging.
83 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:20:51
Your midfield four is basically three lads who will bust their guts and Gomes who may just blossom surrounded by them. Moise will work hard up front and your team looks full of aggression to me.
There are too many who should not be allowed to wear the shirt and with Europe unrealistic Carlo needs to see if a few of the younger lads are going to be an asset next season. Adeniran should be on the bench and given some time before the end of the season and quite why he won't play Beni is beyond me. He might not be up to it but Carlo clearly things Siggy is, which doesn't say a lot for his judgement in that regard!
84 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:27:54
I hoped he'd turned the corner! But sadly he was poor against Leicester and woeful against Spurs (possibly his injury?).
I still hold a glimmer of hope that he could become a higher level playmaker but that glimmer is fading!
As for the rest, I'd happily sell Sigurdsson and Bernard. And Gomes if i'm being honest though he at least retains the ball well. Unlike Iwobi they are all on 100k or over and none of them is bringing enough to the team creatively.
85 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:32:35
Whether people like Ancelotti or not, we need to let him build a squad that can compete at the highest level. His history tells us he can do this, but he will need backing in the transfer windows. Just like our policy with players the same policy has applied when we look for a new manager, I cant ever remember appointing a serial winner as we have done this time. We usually appoint managers who have done well in the Championship if appointing a British manager ie Kendall and Moyes. Or we try and appoint a foreign manager who has acheived limited success in Martinez, Koeman or Silva, or in the case of Allardyce Moshiri was so worried about relegation he appointed Allardyce whose claim to fame was he had never had a team relegated.
However good managers are,it takes time to build a team able to compete at the very top end of the league, even Guardiola who took over a squad who had already won the league is still struggling to get this City side into a Champions league final, though he might put that right this season.
We have known for some time that the majority of this squad are just not good enough to compete at the top end of the table. This group have had 3/4 managers in that time and other than the first season under Martinez we have finished outside the top 6. So it comes as no surprise to me that even under Ancelotti these under performing players are still under performing, and until Ancelotti can bring in his players I think its a bit hard to critisize him for our predicament. I just want this season to finish and lets see who we get in the transfer window.
86 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:33:23
There is youth and flair on either wing and they should be able to create chances for the front two.
87 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:38:31
We have two very good fullbacks who can go down the touch line and then, for some unfathomed reason, stop and pass the ball back or sideways.
We have MF players who's first option is always to play safe, retain the ball at any cost, never look for an incisive pass etc
Our two forwards are very good, imo, but DCL has gone off the boil and Richarlison seems more interested in getting fouls (although he is fouled a lot) rather than carrying on attacking. And with our nonexistent MF it must be frustrating for them.
I'm determined not to watch Everton again this season (I probably will) as their lack of effort, fight and skill do my head in.
88 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:45:16
Iwobe likes a fast one or two touch wall pass type environment, where everything is very fluid.
That's why playing with Sigurdsson doesn't work, as he won't run beyond Iwobe to build play.
So Iwobe is a very good player, but needs mobile players around him to connect dots and move the ball fluidly.
If the midfield is static, he won't hit it long, and just play a safe pass. My observations so far this season when he's played well, and when he has less effect on moving the ball up the pitch.
89 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:55:10
90 Posted 09/07/2020 at 11:56:27
We will be genuinely doomed.
Fear not though we have Marcel Brands in charge of recruitment to find replacements, who is responisble for:
Iwobi (so unfit he cant last 45min)
Delph (Arrogant sick note)
Mina (Glass Man)
Gbamin (Everton career prob over after 2 matches)
Kean (the lockdown party planner)
With rumours of a Lindgard/Jones swap for Richarlison/Holgate and rumours of Digne & Pickford being targeted its like were road kill and people are picking at our carcass. Plus for all Ancelottis hyperbole hes only here for the monthly wages lets not kid ourselves.
As you can tell I'm really enthused for the coming 20/21 season.
The new Kit looks good though!
91 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:01:12
92 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:04:17
Sure, the defence is looking a little more solid since the restart but offensively the are poor and after Monday's let down how can one be optimistic about today or the remaining games now that a Euro place is out of the question.
93 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:04:22
94 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:16:23
We have MF players who's first option is always to play safe, retain the ball at any cost, never look for an incisive pass etc.
That's not entirely true. We have one midfielder, young and talented, who continually drives the ball forward and is always looking for an incisive pass.
His name is Tom Davies.
When he attempts an incisive pass and it doesn't come off, we pounce on him and shred him to bits.
Maybe we should stop doing that? Food for thought.
95 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:21:37
Yet another overhaul needed, but I'm not sure who should be retained. When Gomes came into the team, I said on here that he was one of the classiest players I'd seen in a blue shirt in ages. I still stand by that, but he is so one-paced that he's becoming a liability. Even so, he's the only player in our midfield that I would retain - with some decent players alongside him, he'll be fine.
Up front, I've been really pleased with DCL at times - he's a decent footballer, great hold up play, strong, runs forever, decent ball control - but I'm starting to fear that he simply hasn't got the X factor to make it in the PL. He too often takes the negative, easy route, and seems to have no bottle in one on ones, or when he's running at the defence. Richarlison needs someone better alongside him.
In the wide positions, Iwobi was a very expensive mistake, and Bernard is looking less and less able with each game. Walcott isn't worth talking about.
So, at a minimum, we need a top class striker, an entire new midfield (except Gomes), a couple of new wide players, a replacement at some point for the ageing Coleman, and replacements for Richarlison and Digne if a team with a plan comes in for them. Oh, and Pickford can fuck off too.
Apart from that, everything's looking good.
96 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:22:15
On top of this was the stats for tackles put in in the last match by our central midfield. Gomes 1 Sigurdsson 0 [zero]. This was in a match that was largely played out in the middle 1/3rd of the pitch as well.
Our playmaker Andre Gomes played just three passes forward into Spurs' final third over the course of the game. Gomes is negated without the ball winning , tackling Gana or enforcer type central mid complimenting his attributes. Gomes May still come good for us next season.
So as it stands at this point in time we are not creating anything and not tackling anything. If we are serious about mounting a challenge on the top six, Carlo has got to get two midfielders in who can completely turn these dire stats around. Over to you Marcel
97 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:37:36
Up the Blues!!!
98 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:39:09
99 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:40:17
Let's hope in music song terms it's Blue Heaven, and not When the Saints etc, or Ings aint what they used to be! :-)
100 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:40:49
101 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:42:04
He gets knocked off the ball easily, he runs (head down) into cul-de-sacs, he twists and turns to no avail, he doesn't score goals, he doesn't create goals. I'm at a loss to see what he offers but I admire your faith in him.
102 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:46:38
We have got a fictional new ground, a revamped Goodison, a shocking midfield, and a season that we can't wait to finish. Life was so much simpler during the lockdown, because at least I was only bored then!
103 Posted 09/07/2020 at 12:46:44
We have tried the Siggy central mid solution and it just doesn't work. Sticking Davies in there is a better bet. I would like to get another look at Kean starting a game too, this is an ideal one. I hope Carlo now sees that changes things.
104 Posted 09/07/2020 at 13:13:30
I said a few games ago, I actually believe we are one really, really talented midfielder away from competing for Europe and possibly higher.
It's easy to become despondent after a listless, lifeless game like we've seen at Spurs. But prior to that, we were indeed 4th in the form table I believe since Big Dunc took the reigns?
This team simply need a stud midfielder and some time to let some of our younger kids develop just that little bit more.
Midfield is what is holding us back. You put a world class midfielder next to Davies or Gomes, and watch how much better they perform.
Carlo has done a fabulous job sorting out the defensive side. He's working back to front, and the front honestly isn't all that bad presently.
Midfield, midfield, midfield. Stop buying these "maybe men" for 25 million. Sell Pickford for serious money allowing us to take that windfall and buy the best midfielder available on the market.
I might be wrong, but I think the understandable negativity after Spurs has resulted in some pretty dramatic negativity. It's a team game - not every player will poo rainbows. Some of them might be poor. But they're "good enough" for a role in a very winning, Top 4 side. You can pick holes in Leicester, Chelsea, Man U, Wolves, etc. just as you can with Everton.
Midfield. Say it again, midfield. We're not as dire or miles off as many are stating.
105 Posted 09/07/2020 at 13:19:17
106 Posted 09/07/2020 at 13:29:14
Some general info for watching tonight game;
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107 Posted 09/07/2020 at 13:38:12
You correct two or three good signings, in the right positions, and we wouldn't appear to be so poor, however when you look at the bench, there isn't a lot of strength in depth there to provide the necessary back up needed to get us challenging the top teams, it is going to be a long haul, I feel, to get us to that position.
Nevertheless I take a lot of heart from your post Jamie, gimmie one of your guns Jamie and I'll join the fight!!!
108 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:12:32
109 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:19:42
the problem is we cannot attract the sort of player who is in the £40-60m bracket. They point blank will not come, unless there is a reason, such as they tried and failed at another club and are in good form again (see Siggy). I'm not sure I can go through that hell again. If Carlo is as good sa we think he's going to have to sign players like Howard did, players who you go (who?' about, but who are good heading for great.
110 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:20:49
111 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:23:53
I take heart you agree with me. For whatever reason I remember my last few posts you were not on the same page as myself. As a sort of TW moral compass that you are, I take heart!
112 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:30:11
I agree, as many would, that we're possibly just a midfielder, or two, away from being a half decent side.ment
However, if we sold Pickford most of that fee would have to be used to bring in a replacement who may not be any better. There certainly wouldn't be enough left over, if anything, to fund new midfielders!
113 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:32:58
114 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:34:15
the problem is we cannot attract the sort of player who is in the £40-60m bracket.
I'd disagree with that. I think Carlo could indeed get someone (who? dunno) to come.
The issue with that is it is, without question, a massive gamble.
Do you get someone in that has that drive, never-say-die attitude who can change the fortunes of the squad? Or do you get the guy who is on big wages and starts to coast his way to retirement, a la Alexi Sanchez?
It's hit a home run or a busted flush my way admittedly. And that's the scary thing.
Were it me, and it's not and God knows I've been wrong hundreds of times, I'd sell Pickford and buy a fantastic, squad-changing midfielder. Qualify for Europe. use the 2020-2021 season to develop youngsters to fill gaps. It really is bad business to purchase players like Gylfi (we had Barkley, no improvement) and Iwobe (too expensive for the return). Save on wages with 2-3 genuine players, fill in the gaps with inexpensive, hopefully homegrown prospects like Davies, DCL, Holgate, this Brainwaithe (sp?) kid, and a few others that people like Steve Ferns and Brent Stephens would be aware of.
Freaking Football Manager silliness in an honest moment. If it were that easy! I'm probably talking out of my backside.
115 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:37:28
I've done an about-face on Jordan.
I do not believe we'd be any better or worse off with an inexpensive, serviceable keeper. Virginia, Stek (or comparable Stek) with a worldie midfielder would see us be a better side IMO.
It's sell to improve. You have to give up an asset to move forward as a team. It's a tough trade / transaction to make, but I think we'd be better off.
Jordan would command a pretty penny. He's probably the highest value player that we would miss the least in my opinion.
116 Posted 09/07/2020 at 14:44:21
We ain't going down and the merit payments for finishing a couple of league positions higher probably make no difference to the players, so I expect a pretty dull affair. I think Soton my make a go of it though just to rub a few noses in the dirt after so many people up and down the country had them written off earlier in the season.
I shall be watching as usual and hope for a couple of ours of excitement, but I won't be holding my breath. I can see maybe 1-1 tonight, and doom and gloom on here tomorrow.
Let me be wrong!
117 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:00:05
I am similarly concerned but for different reasons.
Southampton played City off the park the other day and their away form is much better than their home form.
They are now playing with a confidence and determination that is sadly lacking in our mob.
Its the first time in 60 years that I havent looked forward to a game V Southampton one of the few teams we have battered in our history.
118 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:03:47
119 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:08:33
Where I differ from some, and I appreciate that we all have our own way of looking at, and addressing the problem, is the fact that I don't single individual players out for criticism. I view performances and results as a team effort, that's not to say that I'm happy with the situation. I revert to the start of this post by saying again, that we as a team, are simply not good enough.
I would like to stress that It's not my intention to be provocative or insulting, to those who hold different views. I respect the right of everyone to express their opinion, and I expect to be afforded the same consideration.
Hi Dave  I don't know who got the short end of the straw the other night, you who had to witness the game, or myself who had to listen to it, which I always regard as watching through someone else's eyes. I think that we have to live with the fact that we are simply not good enough. I understand the frustration of fans, and as I said in my post to Jamie , we all deal with disappointment and frustration in our own particular way, there's simply no right or wrong way.
120 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:09:16
121 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:21:28
Good to see your posts, hope you are keeping safe and well..
I totally agree it is a team game and team responsibility including the manager, coaches and the board.
The problem is there are cogs within that machine that are performing consistently and cogs within that machine that have not been performing consistently. Therefore it is a little unfair to bash the whole team including those putting a performance in rather than the culpable individuals.
Having said that I agree with you it would be wrong to boo players or hassle them at a game which I abhor but I do think they are up for debate on ToffeeWeb.
122 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:23:00
Without wishing to generalise (I'll now do just that!) it strikes me that our USA ðŸ‡ºðŸ‡¸ posters seem to be more upbeat / positive than the rest of us.
Admittedly they have the advantage of living in a country who's President has conquered Coronavirus ( I believe it's called the Chinese Virus across the pond ) apparently.
But let's follow their example. Let me kick off with a positive... Delph remains injured and not available.
who is next?
123 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:29:24
The stats show Southampton had 26% possession to city's 74%.
Southampton had 8 shots (4 on target) while city had 26 shots (6 on target).
Southampton had 2 corners compared to city's 13.
MOTM was Southamptons goalkeeper Alex McCarthy.
For the majority of the game city were camped in or around the Southampton penalty area, and if city had needed to win that game they would have done with ease. I was really surprised how they never scored?
124 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:35:43
I have a lot of respect for the Southampton manager, Ralph HasenhÃ¼ttl.
Any manager would have been more than spooked after the 9-0 home tanking they received from Leicester back in October, but he held his nerve and has comfortably steered Saints away from the relegation zone.
Indeed, in the reverse fixture at Leicester Saints won 2-1.
As others have mentioned, they have an exceptional away record. In fact, if we retained our home record and swapped out our away form with that of the Saints we would be 11 points better off with 55 points which would put us alongside United in 5th. Our goal difference would also be hugely improved from -8 to +8 - a 16 goal positive swing.
That is yet another that Carlo needs to improve on. Our form on the road.
Play as we did against Spurs and we will lose. Simple.
125 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:36:20
126 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:36:53
It was like the Alamo.
127 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:39:02
I guess I watched with a different pair of glasses then.
For me Southampton won most of the 50/50s and were generally hungrier and more determined than City.
You are right City had more possession but couldnt do anything with it because Southampton closed them down so quickly.
At the end of the day as we know stats count for nothing its results that count.
128 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:39:56
That's pretty much my recollection Rob, Saints were battered and if not for some last ditch defending would have been another 0-9...or 1-9!
129 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:45:59
On a lighter note, I believe that you're the front runner in the race for the chairman of the S.A.S. the "Snowflake Appreciation Society"
130 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:47:20
131 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:47:41
They are a jammy bunch like Brighton and Burnley who sometimes get a poxy win against the big clubs but generally have relied a lot on Ings this season to get points from their games.
In the City game they got a goal mainly because City came out way to casual in the early stages and held on.
132 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:48:49
I would say that he has concentrated a lot on midfield tactics in the meantime.
133 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:51:56
134 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:52:19
135 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:54:13
136 Posted 09/07/2020 at 15:58:27
137 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:00:26
138 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:03:32
139 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:15:01
Nothing can be worse that Monday, it is right up there with games were nothing happened.
Some side bar chat, sell Pickford to find a midfielder that Carlo can persuade? I think that is the creative and necessary thinking which might shift the needle.
There's decent data to say Pickford is well...erm average and the eye test has people ducking for cover.
I'd even take a veteran like Foster at Watford for a season or two. A reliable keeper. Ancellotti hasn't come here for a project, he's come to win, that will be evident in the transfer strategy. My wild guess is, FFP might be loosened or dispensed with and we might have one last hurrah with money. If it's not he will be off.
I'd love to see the side freshen up and youth given its head. It won't happen but I'd like it to. If we see Gomes and Sigurdsson in the midfield again many TV's might find need replacing.
140 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:20:14
Seamus Keane Mina Digne
Richie Sigurdsson Gordon
141 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:23:48
You gave me my first chuckle of the week what with this pandemic spreading like wildfire in Florida and Everton providing even more depression I needed that..
I always took SAS to mean Steven and Stevens on our right flank. LOL
And boy how I wished we had them now.
142 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:35:38
143 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:39:50
144 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:52:40
The link displays a very prominent close up photo of the Dixie Dean statue.
145 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:52:57
146 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:58:02
No. No. No.
If you're gonna replace Pickford (who is not just "average" and still young for a keeper), then replace him with someone who is gonna elevate us and take us to the top, and there are hugely gifted young keepers all over Europe who could fit the bill and cost way less than an English keeper like Henderson.
My choices would be Onana at Ajax and the young Pole Dragowski, both of whom are big and quick and would fulfill the Everton fan base's obsession for a "keeper who commands his area" (an overrated characteristic in my estimation)... or, if you want to spend a little more money, Simon from Bilbao.
It really is OK to look across the water for a keeper. Really. It is.
147 Posted 09/07/2020 at 16:59:17
1 A Pickford cock up
2 A midfielder to sprint 20 yards
3 A midfielder to do a crunching tackle
4 A midfielder to create a chance for our forward players
5 A midfielder to score a goal from open play
6 A midfielder to win the ball and put us on the attack
7 A throw in straight to the opposition
8 Lucas Digne to concede a free kick near the penalty
9 Another free kick conceded near the penalty area, only in the last 3 minutes
10 Seamus Coleman to get in a great position only to produce a disappointing cross
11 Iwobi to find a blue shirt, preferably intending to do so.
12 A direct free kick smashed straight into the wall.
13 An Everton to player to slip or fall over whilst taking part in a promising move
14 Andrea Gomes to kick the ball straight out of play
15 A player getting within 10 yards of DCL, getting on the ball after he wins another header.
Just a bit of fun to Cheer us all up. Up the the Toffee's! COYB
148 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:01:18
149 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:01:41
Subs: Stekelenburg, Baines, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Sidibe, Bernard, Kean, Branthwaite, Baningime.
150 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:04:59
151 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:14:35
Sam, yeah, he'd be a big hit at Goodison with the big Viking beard and the attitude. I saw him last year for Empoli in a game where Atalanta took about 50 shots at him, like skeet shooters at a clay pigeon. He stopped everything. Clean sheet. Total command.
152 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:14:41
Leave you answer as 10A. For 10B Can I suggest. Seamus to get into a great position before changing his mind and making an easy pass back or inside instead.
153 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:37:18
154 Posted 09/07/2020 at 17:58:39
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