The former Chelsea boss was sacked by Napoli this evening where Gennaro Gattuso was said to be preparing to take over regardless of how the Serie A side fared in the Champions League this week.
There has been instability at Napoli this season where chairman Aurelio De Laurentiis has been involved in something of a standoff with his players whose wages he refused to pay and the result has been a drop-off in form.
The Naples club haven't won in the League for five games now and Ancelotti has now moved on. The 60-year-old was quoted as saying that he "will not resign” from his role at Naoli but said: “I'll see the President tomorrow and we'll see.” However, events have moved on in the interim.
Everton would face stiff competition from Arsenal, however. The Gunners are also said to be seriously interested in Ancelotti who has has Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus, PSG and AC Milan on his CV.
The news follows Vitor Pereira's decision to withdraw his name from consideration for the Goodison Park hot-seat.
Original Source: The Telegraph
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1 Posted 10/12/2019 at 19:58:24
That well known Italian newcomer
2 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:04:16
3 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:05:06
4 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:12:18
5 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:13:52
6 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:14:30
Like Jim alludes to, the Tabloids are just guessing
7 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:15:40
8 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:18:41
If hes available, itd take a silly offer to get him to come up north when Arsenal would probably offer him a lot as well.
9 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:21:33
10 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:31:54
11 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:35:29
12 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:36:27
13 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:41:17
14 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:53:23
Here's a good write up on him:
15 Posted 10/12/2019 at 20:54:59
Edit, you meant the article on here, I thought some Journo had ripped us off!
16 Posted 10/12/2019 at 21:01:09
17 Posted 10/12/2019 at 21:10:21
18 Posted 10/12/2019 at 21:18:47
19 Posted 10/12/2019 at 21:21:17
Note to Moshiri: if the Ancelotti rumour is true make it happen.
20 Posted 10/12/2019 at 21:25:51
21 Posted 10/12/2019 at 21:48:37
22 Posted 10/12/2019 at 21:51:01
23 Posted 10/12/2019 at 21:54:55
24 Posted 10/12/2019 at 21:55:45
25 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:04:55
26 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:08:20
27 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:12:45
That is all you need to know,
Just say bloody no.
28 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:18:23
All very nice but hasnt Saturday highlighted we need a “rocket up your ass” passionate manager.
Weve just released a quiet thoughtful manager.
The touch line is a reflection of the team.
29 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:18:35
30 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:26:09
31 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:32:37
32 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:36:40
33 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:39:35
He might be 38 but Zlatan with Ancelotti would make everyone sit up and take notice. The former would improve our striking options even on a 6 month basis and the latter would potentially attract star names to improve the squad. Cant see much downside personally
34 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:45:10
35 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:45:44
36 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:47:26
I'd have him.
37 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:48:04
38 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:49:29
39 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:50:59
40 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:51:51
From one madhouse to another.
41 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:53:07
42 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:53:44
43 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:55:05
44 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:56:24
Interesting days and weeks ahead. Focusing on winning at United.
45 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:56:45
A winner, knows how to organise and defence and has real leadership qualities. Hes not an up and coming manager with potential, hes already there.
Go and get him!
46 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:57:48
47 Posted 10/12/2019 at 22:59:28
He's not already there, he's already past it.
48 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:02:48
Can you elaborate please.
49 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:03:13
Still disagree on Ibra.
50 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:03:16
51 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:03:54
I think we should be bold. I would take Ancelotti, absolutely,but... it strikes me as a Pellegrini type move. He's done the best of his work and he isn't going wind up on a high at Everton.
Let's go for excitement.
52 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:06:47
53 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:08:17
54 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:09:09
55 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:10:31
A young, up and coming modern coach who likes to press hard and attack with pace, this is the profile of manager that Brands has said he favours, and this is not what Ancelotti is.
56 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:10:50
57 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:11:58
it seems you and cant agree on anything.
Ancelotti ticks all the boxes for me.
We need a strong experienced pair of hands IMO and what better than someone who has won the CL with 3 different teams, has won the Premier league and knows it well and knows how to set defences up
Surely he is a better prospect than someone who has only won in Portugal and Greece and failed miserably in Germany with no experience of the Premier league.
Ancelotti was my dream ticket. I just hope the board don't fuck it up now.
58 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:12:10
59 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:15:04
60 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:15:59
61 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:16:39
After a couple of games everyone will feel (whether they admit or not is another matter).
it, ‘oh shit, we've appointed exactly the wrong personality as manager yet again, will we ever learn?'
62 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:17:10
Carlo to me is a been around the block manager but not a Moyes or a Big Sam. This guy had managed clubs which many would deem much bigger than us.
Considering you thought it necessary to include a link, I will too;
You will also notice in his last 438 games managed he has suffered defeat 72 times, around 16% of losses in many years. This will simply do for me.
Win the games you should win, picking up a draw and loss every now and again is simply inevitable unless you give someone enough time and money to do what they want with the team, I.e Klopp.
Carlo for me is exactly what we need. Who do you want?
63 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:18:48
64 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:19:01
I dont think Brands would choose Ancellotti but I do think Moshiri would. I dont think its likely, but if it did happen, I do think questions would be asked about Brands role. As the article by Lyndon on here outlines, its time for Brands to take ownership of this sort of decision. Personally I think Brands would prefer someone who fits his remit, but hey we are all guessing now right?
65 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:19:16
I think that link says more about Arjen Robben getting too old and not getting a game than it does about Ancelotti.
66 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:19:20
67 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:21:19
68 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:21:43
69 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:22:23
Ancelotti just waves a chequebook around. He has no track record with developing players, he has never dragged a team from a lowly league position, and he will not roll his sleeves up and work hard. He's another Koeman.
70 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:24:00
71 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:24:53
72 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:28:12
73 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:30:05
74 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:32:20
75 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:35:44
76 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:36:10
77 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:40:35
I think we all have our own personal favourite for the job and our fears about the wrong appointment.
Last time I was disappointed we did not get Emery. That may have been a disaster.
78 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:42:36
79 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:43:56
Dont forget Ancelottis role in that night in Istanbul. His teams have a habit of capitulation.
80 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:46:43
Istanbul was typical RS got highly dubious decisions that turned the game on its head.
Having said that look at his successes. He is as big a champion as Mourhino IMO.
81 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:52:31
Give me someone whos managed Chelsea, Bayern, Napoli and Real Madrid over someones whos managed Olympiacos and Monaco.
You say hes worked youngsters and made them better players isnt this because Monaco have a history of buying young and up coming players and being in one of the worst leagues in Europe they can afford to actually play them????
We are so way way apart in our ideas here but then again some people are saying they still want Moyes :/
82 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:57:26
83 Posted 10/12/2019 at 23:59:57
Many thanks, and I agree with you re Brands
84 Posted 10/12/2019 at 00:00:13
Will never forget Gerrards swan dive. Fancy having the pen saved and scoring the rebound.
If I remember correctly Im sure Ac had a chance to score another to make it 4-0.
Shevchenko aswell with what was to me even to this day the worst penalty I have ever seen.
85 Posted 10/12/2019 at 00:02:29
Guts and guile, and they both know the club and the Prem.
We are sadly no longer one of the challenging top clubs, let's get some stability, improve, and go for a Hollywood manager if needed when we have Hollywood potential.
I'd like to see a better ran club, definitive news on the new ground, and Marcel Brands be a bit more forthcoming with his football vision.
86 Posted 11/12/2019 at 00:06:43
87 Posted 10/12/2019 at 00:09:14
David Moyes has claimed Everton's manager, Roberto Martínez, is holding back the careers of Marouane Fellaini and Leighton Baines by not allowing them to be sold to Manchester United.
Everton described their former manager's offer for the pair as "derisory and insulting"
Moyes was unaware of the former Everton goalkeeper Neville Southall's claim that the Scot was "despicable" regarding the bid.
88 Posted 11/12/2019 at 00:12:57
I just find it mad that after us letting Martinez, Koeman and Silva, whom all basically came from worse clubs than us, have a go we are still talking about up and coming managers.
Give me a manager with experience now as the up and coming hasnt worked. Ferguson got a great result at the weekend and his tactics were actually great but lets have it right Chelsea had plenty of opportunities to make it 2-2 and we rode our luck until our third went in. Which is fine, its something we havent had a lot of this season, luck that is. But come on now, Arteta, Ferguson, Cahill. I would rather give the job to Joey Barton over any of them. At least hes been managing in a lower league and working on his craft and not just coaching.
Give me Carlo any day of the week. His record speaks for itself. He can defend and knows how to win. Look at how Napoli played at Anfield the other week. They really were incredible. I text my Dad straight after and said thats exactly what we need.
89 Posted 10/12/2019 at 00:19:11
The problem we have is complex. We have a divided boardroom (hearsay) A DoF. A bunch of players who need shifting and another bunch who need a right good kick in the gonads.
Who in their right mind would look at us and think "that's the job for me"
It will take a fair bit of looking. A lot of cash and a total rethink on policy to get us going again.
Moshiri has two choices. 1, stick with Brands. Get the best candidate to work with his philosophy. Or 2, get a stellar name and Brands either sings to his tune or follows Silva out the door.
For me. There has to be a system first (DoF has a short, medium and long term plan) and then appoint a head coach to execute the plan.
I fear we don't have anything like this and we are muddling along, chopping and changing everytime a bad run of results happen.
Moshiri must be sick of paying managers off by now surely? Does Brands have a plan? Or is he just a humble servant of Farhad who will do what it takes to stay employed?
I think he has a certain autonomy to dabble in the transfer market but no influence on the style or management of the team.
The style and philosophy have to be dictated by the DoF for me. The head coach should make this work through training. Otherwise what's the point in Brands being here?
In game management is down to the coach. Style and a path forward are the remit of the DoF.
90 Posted 11/12/2019 at 00:24:35
We need passion and guile. There is none available other than Gallardo.
The entire future of our club depends on who picks the next coach. Not the coach, but who picks him.
It must be Brands. It really must be.
91 Posted 11/12/2019 at 00:26:37
92 Posted 11/12/2019 at 00:28:15
93 Posted 11/12/2019 at 00:44:52
Then give him week by week to the end of the season
94 Posted 11/12/2019 at 01:28:06
It may have not worked out with Silva, but I still think that's the profile we should be looking for - someone relatively young and hungry, who'll put in the work on the training pitch, who'll pull this squad together, inspire them and get them playing to their potential (bonus points for a bit of a nasty streak, as I tend to agree that Silva was probably a little too polite for the job).
Ancelotti is basically someone who big clubs with fully formed squads bring in and instruct to make sure the train stays on the tracks (and he hasn't even been particularly good at that of late, as evidenced by his recent stints with Bayern Munich and now Napoli). He's a quiet old Italian gentleman who'll fill out a lineup card and probably not a whole lot else.
95 Posted 11/12/2019 at 01:37:21
We are not expected to get much from the next couple of games but if we come out like Saturday who knows. Even if we did get someone in it would not be fair on him, as he would have to familiarise himself with the players. the set-up at Finch Farm etc, and after all said and done, we have to get the next appointment right.
Ancelotti, does not inspire me anyway, and would be by reputation rather than through his achievements, I believe any Manager who has been sacked several times the question has to be asked. Why?
He is generally acknowledged to be not only a Chequebook Manager, but tends to persist with the 'old heads' and rarely gives the youngsters a look in.
We have just recently had the Chequebook well and truly abused by several Managers with no visible sign of improvement in style of play or results, and a reluctance to involve some of the many promising young talents.
96 Posted 11/12/2019 at 02:20:58
97 Posted 11/12/2019 at 02:38:32
98 Posted 11/12/2019 at 03:55:24
I would think with 17 titles to his name with 8 clubs Ancellotti would be able to spot a good player rather than waste money on championship standard players like we have done for the last few years.
99 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:15:29
Steve - apart from the name - I'm almost positive that first paragraph is word for word what you wrote about Silva before he was signed up
100 Posted 11/12/2019 at 06:31:55
An appropriate reminder to the board of how he belittled EFC in his conduct of trying to get Baines and succeeding in getting Fellaini, is timely. We dont want sticking plasters whom are busted flushes from the past.
This is a worst fear and I would rather Duncan carry on until the end of the season.
Interesting to see where the DoF plays in the new manager negotiations, and how it can, will, or wont impact his plans for the club.
To Old Trafford and victory this Sunday.
101 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:12:41
Yeah cos finishing 2nd last season is poor. Being in the champions league is terrible. And being 7th this season in the league after 15 games and losing 4 of them is just down right terrible.
Why ever would we want that.
102 Posted 11/12/2019 at 07:25:52
103 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:09:10
104 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:09:59
It's a moot point though, because if these Moyes rumors are to be believed, I'll go to Italy, stuff Ancelotti in the trunk of my car, drive him to Liverpool myself and shove a pen in his hand.
105 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:25:41
Mind you that is my take on things, but should he be given the post I would get behind him if that was the majority choice.
Personally, I think k the way forward and a statement of ambition and intent would be with Marcelo Gallardo.
106 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:39:33
Who do you want to be developed?
The reality is most of our biggest talented youngsters have left because they werent good enough. Lookman, left - Cant even get a game for RB. Dowell has all but dried up and will leave. Davies has pretty much been developed and is now a 1st team player.
Let the coaches develop the young players. When they are ready integrate them into the first team squad. I want a manager who can come and manage a team of players. Sure bringing talent through is a great idea but again isnt this what we have tried with Martinez etc. Martinez in fact was probably the manager whom invested time into development yet we still sacked him when the results from first team werent good enough.
Isnt that all we have to go off when we want to appoint a new manager? Their history, their cv? I think Carlo will tighten up our back line, I think his tactics will be spot on and I think he could work well with our group of players. I also think he has managed some big big teams and won trophys rather than our previous 3 Managers who had won one trophy between them.
I also think he looks like a manager who could really fall in love with the place. Hes been sacked from Napoli, maybe he would love a crack at a club whos a tiny bit smaller than the other teams hes managed but maybe more freedom for him to work how he wants and also no major major stars, Ronaldo, Robben, etc.
I think hes a good fit. I think hes a class manager who tactically will win us points. The last thing I want is a Periera who is an unproven manager who doesnt seem capable of managing Everton, would of been another on the list of failures.
107 Posted 11/12/2019 at 08:58:52
If so then he picked the wrong club as when Everton has touched you
108 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:16:59
109 Posted 11/12/2019 at 09:23:29
Ancelotti is old but still pure gold if anyone thinks he's going to lower his standards dramatically and rapidly up sticks to Merseyside and come to us then you need sectioning. We are not even a blip on his radar. Arsenal could be a possibility for him but for us get real.
Ancelotti is a champions league pedigree manager he will be aiming at a higher level club than us.
110 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:22:16
111 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:28:56
112 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:34:15
Those that might entertain joining us have some serious stuff in the minus column. Our ex who ditched us, who's been hanging around on that corner every night for the last year or so, now winking at us again. There's that other one who's been going out with that other guy for quite a while, but that guy looks as if he'd just be happy with slippers for xmas. I want more than that (slippers and boxer shorts). So I can't get enthused.
Wake me up when it's all over. And please don't let just anybody get into bed with me in the meantime.
113 Posted 11/12/2019 at 10:57:10
114 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:54:40
115 Posted 11/12/2019 at 11:57:56
Do we want another short term fix? Obviously not. So an older man may have the pedigree but won't be around in the long term.
As a fan I want to see some blood and guts like we did against Chelsea and some reason to remain convinced that we have a squad that is not far off competing in the top third rather than bottom third of the table.
We can't expect to go from where we are to winning the league in one jump. The club has to set a platform and win back some of the disillusioned support.
For that, I would appoint Duncan for the rest of the season. A mid table finish and some rousing performances would be the least I'd expect. And what is more, it would be seen as success. We would then know a lot more about the man as a manager, and potentially save some money that could be used on players. Or be in a position to appoint in the close season form a bigger list of available talent.
The one thing we got on Saturday that we didn't get previously was players leaving everything on the pitch. Attitude like that against Norwich, for instance, and we would not have been in the mess we are.
Don't get me wrong. As a blues fan from the days of Harry Catterick I want to see Everton competing at the very top. But we need to walk before we can run. Most of all, we need to stop the hire and fire culture which we've had since David Moyes left. We have to get this right. So taking some time to avoid being here again in another 2 years has to be the way forward.
116 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:03:25
117 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:05:34
118 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:21:20
He failed when he went to United apparently because the players (who had won everything) looked at him and asked 'what does he have that will improve us'? No respect.
New managers at Everton are likely to get the same treatment as Moyes did. Respect from a group of players who have not won anything is won by either showing them how they are going to win something (that tends to last until they lose faith in the managers' methods, games lost start to stack up) or coming in with a winning record at the highest level (do what he tells us to do and we will win something too).
We have had three rounds of option 1, perhaps it is now time for option 2?
119 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:51:25
But, think about it, hes won 3 champions leagues. What will we get with Ancelotti?
We wont go down - first job done.
Hell command respect of the dressing room, board etc (hes more like Big Dunc than Silva).
Hell organise the team and is a MUCH better version of the ‘stabiliser we need than Moyes.
Ok, so hes not the long, long, term answer, but unfortunately were not that attractive and weve taken 5 steps back in the last few season.
2-3 seasons with Ancelotti could be just what we need to get back on the map
Furthermore, hes known to good players. Surely if Ancelottis there its a ‘project worth considering.
I dont think were in the position to balk at Ancelotti
PS... David Ornstein on Twitter (who seemingly knows everything that goes on behind the scenes at Arsenal) reckons hes not on Arsenals list
120 Posted 11/12/2019 at 12:55:06
If Gallardo is a possibility, then I'd want Gallardo. I hope Brands is being very quiet because he's on a plane to Argentina.
121 Posted 11/12/2019 at 13:26:22
122 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:10:44
123 Posted 11/12/2019 at 14:23:40
I think we are being used as a stalking horse for his real ambition, Arsenal. Far more suited to his managerial style. However Arsenal are in such a mess we might just accidentally end up with Ancoletti. Yikes!
He could easily take us down. I cant see how we fit at all? Am I missing something? Would we genuinely consider him on his name alone?
We have the ‘Clangers running our football club. 😫
124 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:12:59
125 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:42:24
Ancelotti are the same people who said the young/hungry/forward thinking Silva was the answer.
I am currently not interested in developing young players, or a particular style of ‘attractive football.
Right now, I just want to win. I want to win matches and I want to win a trophy.
Now if only there was a proven winner available.
126 Posted 11/12/2019 at 15:58:38
Why do I have concerns over Ancelotti? Because there has been criticism of the man and his methods for some time now. He's been sacked by 4 of his last 5 clubs. His players have criticised him. His methods do not fit in with those the club said they would employ 18 months ago after the resounding and expensive failure of trying to do what Ancelotti would want to do, but with an inferior version, in Koeman.
Cock things up with Silva and you can sell the players on. Cock things up like under Walsh / Koeman and we're stuck with poor players on enhanced contracts.
127 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:00:42
Replacing Silva with Ancelotti will be a similar statement of intent.
For every “Ancelotti is a dinosaur” interview, there will be an “Ancelotti can manage anywhere” (Lampard) interview.
128 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:04:34
129 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:16:16
It does look as if Ancolottie has agreed to go to the Emirates - oh well there's always the Moyesiah to step up to the plate.
130 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:29:18
Couldn't argue with your statement of intent. Definitely that. I just think Ancelotti is a master of working with superstar players, he is not the guy to drag a team from 2 points above relegation to top 4. He's never done this type of job before. It does not suit his skillset. We need someone who can coach a team of young players to become better and better and better. Then we need an Ancelotti when we are where Spurs are now, and he could be the one who wins things.
131 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:41:54
Gallardo, at a press conference: "I never had doubts about my continuity, on January 2 I will be here and we will start the preseason, which may be in Uruguay, Buenos Aires or the south of our country. I am not interested in generating any kind of uncertainty. "
"My desire is to continue and introduce myself on January 2, I told the players today tomorrow. Beyond my contract that expires in December 2021, there are no clauses and we have a very cordial and emotional relationship with Rodolfo and Enzo ".
So in terms of desirable candidates, we're down to Ancelotti and Marcelino.
132 Posted 11/12/2019 at 16:45:36
I would be amazed if Carlo chose Merseyside over London!
133 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:07:20
One fancied a Chinese and then there were nine
9 Little Applicants having to wait
One preferred the Argentine and then there were eight
8 Little Applicants . to be continued.
134 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:12:25
135 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:19:56
Whilst there isn't an immediate requirement to put a full-time boss in position, there is a need to do it sooner rather than later, squad assessment, recruitment discussions prior to the opening of the window to name but a couple, not to mention we still require as many points as possible from each and every match.
136 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:22:58
I'm not ready to write him off based on a miserable 16 months at a severely dysfunctional club.
137 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:28:15
Or he can go to a struggling club, financially sound with promises of a new ground, at a club, that this will be the 4th manager in about the last 6 years that shows a lack of stability at board level.
138 Posted 11/12/2019 at 17:40:16
139 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:25:48
140 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:28:48
Weve got to sell the vision and the city to him. Sure you can goto Arsenal but you wont get any money to spend and you are going to be dealing with an awful defence.
You can come to Everton. This is where we want to go, sure its not worked out but we have entrusted younger managers and its not worked out, thats where you come in Carlo. We want you to come here, take this club forward. We have one of the best training facilities in Europe and soon to be the best stadium in Europe. Imagine being the guy to walk us out on our first game in our new stadium. Also, this is what Liverpool is about as a city we have fantastic shopping, restaurants, theatres, and always so much going on. We will help your family relocate any way we can. We want you Carlo. Forget London, Everton is great family club, and Liverpool city in the new London.
141 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:38:46
142 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:42:57
143 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:50:29
144 Posted 11/12/2019 at 18:59:26
I love a conspiracy plot and this has all the makings, including secretive Russians and Americans vying to show who is richest.
145 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:52:15
146 Posted 11/12/2019 at 19:52:58
147 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:17:01
148 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:31:44
I believe the board have gone after a number of high profile managers and been turned down for whatever reason.
Personally I think we should be grateful Ancelotti is even in talks with us.
To me he is almost up there with Mourhino as a serial winner. 17 titles more than twice as many as the FSW. Napoli is a basket case but they are still the only team to beat Liverpool this season.
At Bayern the old guard did not want to be not playing so engineered him out of there. Just read what Frank Lampard thinks of him
149 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:36:58
Ancelotti is one of only three managers to have won the UEFA Champions League three times (twice with Milan and once with Real Madrid), and one of only two to have managed teams in four finals. He has won the FIFA Club World Cup twice, managing Milan and Real Madrid. Ancelotti is also one of seven people to have won the European Cup or Champions League as both a player and a manager. He is regarded as one of the best and most successful managers of all time.
Nicknamed Carletto, Ancelotti played as a midfielder and began his career with Italian club Parma, helping the club to Serie B promotion in 1979. He moved to Roma the following season, where he won a Serie A title and four Coppa Italia titles, and also played for the late 1980s Milan team, with which he won two league titles and two European Cups, among other titles. At international level he played for the Italian national team on 26 occasions, scoring once, and appeared in two FIFA World Cups, finishing in third-place in the 1990 edition of the tournament, as well as UEFA Euro 1988, where he helped his nation to reach the semi-finals.
As a manager, he has worked for Reggiana, Parma, Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, Paris Saint-Germain, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and Napoli, and has won domestic titles in Italy, England, France, Spain, and Germany.
150 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:39:40
During his playing career, Dyche played as a centre back, making his professional debut in 1990 and representing Chesterfield – whom he captained and scored for in an FA Cup semi-final – Bristol City, Luton Town, Millwall, Watford and Northampton Town. He was promoted with three of his six clubs. After retiring as a player in 2007 he coached at Watford, including a stint as manager between June 2011 and July 2012.
And people are saying Ancelotti is washed up.
I ask myself is there any sanity in the world.
Since being appointed manager at Burnley in October 2012, Dyche has guided the club to two promotions to the Premier League in three seasons, the latter following relegation back to the Championship at the end of 2014–15.
151 Posted 11/12/2019 at 20:46:18
How about a manager who is younger than Wenger, has won 9 league titles, 2 Champions League titles and was a runner up in another? Ottmar Hitfeld if you are wondering.
Just like players can lose it. So can managers. How can you be sure that Carlo Ancelotti's best days are not behind him? So whatif Lampard loved him 9 years ago, when he was 51. He's 60 now, and he's not got the same energy. His ideas are well known and well studied.
The Everton job needs a lot of energy. What exactly are we expecting Ancelotti to do. He doesn't just walk onto the training pitch with an Everton badge on his chest and suddenly everyone is better. He has to effect the change, and FFP won't just let him buy a whole new side.
152 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:00:36
People like Ancellotti know how to delegate and organize.
Silva was apparently very hardworking and much younger didnt seem to do us much good did it?
I just think Ancelotti, despite his age is the best chance weve got of having a decent manager who has the strength and experience to handle Kenwright, DBB and the players. Silva although much younger patently did not.
I know the popular choice would be Marcelino or Gallardo or even Simeone but were not getting them and if its between Moyes, Emery and Ancellotti I know which one I would choose.
I know you like Jardim but he hasnt even been in the conversation.
153 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:04:01
I wasnt promoting Dyche, BTW. I was just comparing what he had not achieved apart from relegation and promotion to Ancellotti because some posters were pushing for Dyche.
154 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:05:42
Problem is our choice of managers is looking less and less attractive. Davy boy would be appointed in a flash but for our fans reaction and it might still happen. Happy days!
We have the right man in charge at the moment, and I wouldn't be in a hurry to change it.
155 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:08:00
Jardim is being talked about quietly. He is still in a job. He's not very popular, as Monaco are improving but still only 11th. Monaco might not stand in his way if we come in for him. Spoke to loads of Monaco fans on twitter and they are all glad to see the back of him, and say it will be best for both Jardim and for Monaco. Effectively, he should never have gone back. They also attribute a lot of his success to the Director of Football who Man Utd are trying to steal away.
I'm not sold on Marcelino. I see both positives and negatives. But I don't see why he's not coming. His chances of Arsenal are slim now. He's flown into London and reportedly met with us and with Arsenal. So why not him?
156 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:09:56
Whoever we hire will have the same problem as the last managers, in they will want to stamp their own style on the squad, and that will mean an overhaul of the present squad and trying to get rid of the deadwood that now one else wants.
There are not many mangers who will want to take over a struggling club unless they are already at a struggling club and see Everton as a step up.
It is a sad state of affairs that see Everton with its proud history having a struggle to find a suitable manager.
157 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:10:13
What about Marcelino doesnt convince you?
158 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:10:42
If we had a good stable platform in place - like the one Moyes left us with - then we could go for a world class manager to build on it.
Im thinking 5 years down the line as a realistic timeframe for challenging for things. Id love to get there quicker and find a manager who could.
159 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:13:56
Sure, I've seen less of Gallardo, but everyone is making him sound like he's the next Guardiola. I fancy a bit of that, what have we got to lose? Players would want to play for him, both here and ones we could attract. It would also raise our profile.
160 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:15:16
He specialises in motivating teams of superstars and getting them pulling together. Not in building a team from the bottom up which is where we are now.
He has not managed a mid-table team since Parma 20 years ago and I'd be worried that he'd be a very expensive mistake. Certainly there are worse managers out there but lets not be blinded by the stardust that accompanies such an illustrious manager. The question is can he help progress this young, unbalanced team? I'm not sure. Though I'd take him over Moyes!
161 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:16:23
162 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:17:23
163 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:21:23
164 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:42:14
"Over the course of a long and illustrious career, though, a certain impression of Ancelotti has taken hold. His great triumphs, with Milan, Real and to a lesser extent Chelsea, have come when he has taken over a highly experienced group of players and, through what he describes as “quiet leadership”, put them on the path to further success. His is a calm, almost serene approach and, while that has proved perfect for the challenges he has taken on at several of his previous clubs, it is arguably not what Arsenal or Everton need right now."
"Ancelotti is, quite clearly, one of the great coaches of the modern era. For all the success Chelsea have had under Roman Abramovichs ownership, there can hardly have been a more enjoyable season at Stamford Bridge than the 2009-10 campaign, when he led them to the Premier League title (and a new record of 103 goals) and the FA Cup. The two Champions League titles he won with Milan in 2003 and 2007 underlined his tactical acumen. Reals success in 2014, when they scored 41 goals in 13 Champions League matches, is best remembered for the speed and incisiveness of their transition play."
and in conclusion:
"The Champions League has always seemed like Ancelottis natural habitat, but it is not just a question of whether he would lower himself to a club who are outside of the elite. It is a question of whether a coach of his “profile”, to use the word coming out of Arsenal, would be the right fit for clubs whose overwhelming need right now is for fresh ideas, a fresh vision and fresh energy before they can even think about starting to compete for major trophies again."
I think that sums it up.
165 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:42:42
166 Posted 11/12/2019 at 21:47:38
Also Ed, some managers have all their success before 45. Think Howard Kendall, Clough barely won anything after 45 either. Football management is a 18 hour a day, 7 day a week, 365 days a year job. It is all consuming and it burns you out. Just look at Moyes at 56, he's not the man he was. Ancelotti is a machine for going as long as he did, at so many top clubs, but the fire is diminished for me.
Guardiola won't be around at the top for much longer, and right now, he's looking like a beaten man, out of ideas, and ready to walk away.
167 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:07:28
There is as always a lot of sense in what you say and you put up a very reasoned argument but, as an old dog that has continued to be successful even at the grand old age of 68 would argue that these days 60 is nothing for a football coach.
In fact, I would argue further that that experience, easpecially given the amount of success he has had, places him in the "what we need category" rather than what we don't need... which is young, enegetic but incapable of handling the poor administration of the club.
Personally I thought Koeman was the right fit until he spat his dummy out over Bill's interference. That is why I think it is impossible for someone who is on the way up to be ready for the poison chalice that is Everton.
We will never be on the right track until Kenwright and his influence is gone or managed correctly.
168 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:14:32
I thought Brands was a strong character. He's not quite strong enough if he cannot control a 74-year-old luvvie.
Brands needs to break the cliques in Everton, particularly at Finch Farm. He is meant to be in control of everything there. It might just take some time for him to get all of his guys in place.
169 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:37:20
I don't understand how anybody doesn't want Ancelotti. Here we are, yet again complaining about how we got it wrong with Silva, same as Koeman and Martinez and people are saying we shouldn't be giving our all to try and get this world class manager who is a proven winner, it honestly baffles me. Here's a guy who has managed some of the biggest clubs in the world, his team finished 2nd last season in a tough league, he has just led his team to the champions league last 16, yet this isn't good enough. Why is his past it? Why? If the guy still had that fire in his belly to manage then he's certainly not past it. He is clearly a millionaire and could go and retire on a beach somewhere but he hasn't, that tells me enough.
Dyche, Moyes, Gallardo, Marcelino, Emery, Jardim, Ferguson, Arteta, honest to god. People would pick these guys over Carlo Ancelotti, you are mad. Steve, I respect your posts but you've said you want Jardim and then later on said Monaco fans want him out, they are 11th in the league and let's have it right, it's a poor poor league. I really don't understand how anyone could want anybody else other than Carlo. It's madness in my opinion. He's a winner. Martinez, Koeman and Silva sold themselves as winners and guess what, they weren't. Carlo is a winner! He's been there seen it and done it. He will know how to move our team forward and it may not be pretty to watch but give me a team winning over a team have 60% possession, 5 shots on target but getting beat 1-0 every game any day of the week.
People where crying for Mourinho a while back. We were crying for him because he's a winner. Not because he plays beautiful football, because he knows how to win. Nobody will ever remember Mourinho for playing beautiful free-flowing football. They will remember him for what he won. That's what Everton need. I'm 34, I've only ever seen Everton win the FA Cup and Charity Shield and I think 4 derbies. It's just not good enough anymore. Give me a winner, give me Carlo.
170 Posted 11/12/2019 at 22:41:40
At the moment we seem to have a choice between an Ancelotti type who has won things, but has predominantly managed at the top level - something were not at.
Or gamble on an up and coming manager who could turn out like Silva.
Im just questioning whether it would be worth doing it in stages. Get a good steady team then build from there.
171 Posted 11/12/2019 at 23:44:20
Let me remind you of 2017. Monaco beat PSG to win the league by 8 points. They only went top for the first time at the half-way stage of 20 games. They won their last straight 11 league games, unbeaten in their last 20 league games, winning 18 of them. Ligue 1 is one of the Big 5 leagues of Europe, so you are wrong to call it a poor league.
Monaco had to qualify for the Champions League Groups. They got the toughest draw you could possibly imagine. Fenerbache. They lost 2-1 in Turkey but won 3-1 in Monte Carlo to advance 4-3 on aggregate. Keeping it tight at the back for the last 25 minutes knowing an equaliser would be an away goal and so would knock them out.
Winning this game, they then were still not in the groups and instead they got another tough game, and one we can relate to. A Champions League qualifying playoff with … Villareal! They won home and away.
They then had a low seeding and so got a tough group. CSKA, Monaco, Bayern Leverkusen and Tottenham Hotspur. Tough group that. They beat Spurs 2-1 in London. Drew with the Germans at home, got a creditable draw in Moscow, and then beat the Russians back in Monte Carlo. Spurs were beaten in the principality, and Monaco fielded a weakened side, got hammered in Germany and still won the group.
In the last 16 they drew Manchester City in a memorable tie. And yes this was Pep Guardiola's Man City. City go 1-0 up, Monaco respond twice before halftime, 1-2. Aguero levels for 2-2. Falco restored the Monégasque's advantage, 2-3. Aguero, Stones and Sane hit 3 quick goals 5-3 game over.
City still have to go to Monte Carlo, and just need to not geat beat by more than one. Easy task as they are a team from a poor, poor league. Mbappe and Fabino score 2 early goals 5-5 on agg with the Monégasque's ahead on away goals. Sane puts City 6-5 up with 19 minutes left before Bakayoko scores with little more than 10 minutes left and Monaco go through on away goals.
Next round they beat Borussia Dortmund home and away. Before drawing Juve in the semi-final and getting beat home and away themselves.
So a team from a poor, poor league, beat 3 English sides, 2 german sides, and a Spanish side. This Jardim must be some manager eh? I mean he is from a poor league.
And his team:
Rb Djibril Sidibe (Everton)
Lb Bruno Mendy (Man City)
Cb Kamil Glik
RW Bernardo Silva (Man City)
LW Thomas Lemar (Atletico Madrid)
MC Fabinho (Liverpool)
MC Bakayoko (Chelsea)
FC Radamel Falcao (Galatasary)
FC Kylian Mbappe (PSG)
Nabil Dirar (Fenerbache)
Guido Carillo (Southampton)
Almouy Traore (Eintracht)
Joao Moutinho (Wolves)
I've listed the clubs they now play for in brackets. Yes, you see the problem. They were all sold from under Jardim's feet within 2 seasons. What did he do the following year, well he still got them to second. Incomings included the likes of Tielemens (now at Leicester).
The next season, to compound Jardim's misery of having only his centre backs and his keeper left from his title winning side, he was sacked for struggling and in they brought Theirry Henry. He did even worse, and Jardim was back to rescue them in January. Ok they only finished 17th, but they stayed up. An improvement of 2 places and they were soon 16th only dropping to 17th on the last day when already safe.
This season has carried on in the same spluttering way. The Monégasques seem to want a scapegoat. Henry signed Fabregas, they have Bakayoko back from Chelsea on loan, Adrien Silva (the Leicester flop who was famously signed seconds too late to play) is on loan, and up top they have our Henry Onyekuru who has been poor. There's also Slimani, and Yedder. Yet the Monégasques think they have a decent side and should be top 6, not in the bottom 3. The last 10 games things have improved and they've won 7 of them and now sit 11th, but are only 3 points off 4th.
Jardim is a great coach. He did a great job at Sporting too. Directly in before Marco Silva where he had Sporting in 2nd, and the title was closer than it finished as Silva's Estoril beat Sporting once the title was decided to widen the gap.
Eric Dier made his debut for Sporting under Jardim. William Carvalho became a first team regular and Jardim even made Freddy Montero look decent.
I do have one major reservation over Jardim as an Everton manager and that is to learn a lesson from Silva, he is quiet. He lacks the charisma you guys seem to all like and that real force of personality. When left to get on with it, he can take a load of talented young kids, that none many other teams want, and build a side to get to the Champions League Semi-Finals and beat the best team in the land to the title. Surely, that's enough for Everton. And whilst he is damaged goods, surely we can persuade him to come here and build a side that will not get ripped apart?
172 Posted 12/12/2019 at 00:32:22
Now we have an opportunity to hire one of the greatest coach of the modern era, we are dissecting why we shouldn't hire him. Instead we should aim for Jardim and Steve F is posting long, elaborate posts to explain who he is - echoes of Silva? Sorry Steve.
I am not sure we'll land Ancelotti but we do need to decide what we want and the extent of our ambition. If you want Everton to be a Champions League club, then hire someone with Carlo's profile.
173 Posted 12/12/2019 at 01:00:17
The reporter is Julien Laurens, who is pretty reliable. And two weeks ago, before Ancelotti was sacked, Laurens told Jim White on TalkSport that Ancelotti would be perfect for Arsenal and they should try to lure him away from Napoli. So his reporting is now debunking his own recommendation. That's some pretty powerful credibility.
So if Moshiri & Brands do want him, Ancelotti is there for the taking.
174 Posted 12/12/2019 at 01:10:44
175 Posted 12/12/2019 at 01:30:30
176 Posted 12/12/2019 at 01:42:32
If it happens, I really hope Ferguson becomes his assistant, so he can look at taking over when Ancelotti leaves, or retires.
177 Posted 12/12/2019 at 01:47:52
178 Posted 12/12/2019 at 01:59:30
179 Posted 12/12/2019 at 01:59:43
180 Posted 12/12/2019 at 03:04:04
No, not that one.
181 Posted 12/12/2019 at 04:29:36
However can he take talented but flawed players that we have and inspire them to greater heights? 🤔
Alternatively is getting Ancelotti more important to Moshiri than moving the team forward? This candidate stinks of Farhad to be fair. Glory-boy.
If Ancelotti brought Paul Clement with him Id be much happier. Clement has had mixed success as a manager but is an excellent coach, they balance each other out I guess.
Where does an appointment like this leave Brands? Ancelotti would want players for the short term, totally discordant with buying cheaper players with sell on value.
A total shit-show being held together by a rookie manager who garners unity from a fractured and peeved fanbase.
Man up Everton.
182 Posted 12/12/2019 at 07:57:30
183 Posted 12/12/2019 at 08:20:00
Steve, you said that to a lot of people a lot of times about Silva.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is wrong mate.
184 Posted 12/12/2019 at 08:27:40
But if he doesnt want the job on a permanent basis then Everton will have to look elsewhere. Both Pereira and Gallardo have ruled themselves out, so the choices are becoming less and less. Also if Duncan doesnt want the job then they need to move quickly.
185 Posted 12/12/2019 at 08:42:21
Bobby, in 2017, when we appointed Silva, Jardim was being talked about for Man Utd. He was not a possibility. Weve had to wait for his star to fall before we can convince him to come here. Even recently, Chelsea fans wanted him there.
This is a guy whos regularly managing in the champions league. Hes not normally on our radar.
Brian, Graeme didnt have all the facts. If he does and still disagrees then fair enough.
186 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:15:34
We may as well be talking about Neil Warnock.
Last time I checked this is the Ancelotti thread.
187 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:31:04
In other words, it's only recently that things have come together for them, and a significant part of that is spending big money to shore up a shaky defence via Allison and van Dijk.
I'm pointing this out because so many on ToffeeWeb go on about Liverpool as if they'd won loads of trophies like Utd, City and Chelsea. In the PL era, including the recent past, they haven't, and they are not part of that trophy-winning elite.
But none of that stopped them getting Klopp as their coach. They got him because they wanted to be at the top again, to join the elites of Utd, City and Chelsea. They're not there yet, but they are making clear progress under Klopp. Only time will tell.
The point is, if Everton truly want to be at the top, we need to supplement the good squad of players we currently have with one or two major additions (necessitating a big spend), like all really ambitious clubs do, and hire a manager with a record of winning.
On that basis, going for Ancelotti makes clear sense. In fact, it's common sense, which of course is not very common.
188 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:31:55
189 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:32:43
190 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:33:56
191 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:35:05
192 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:48:01
I doubt many Liverpool fans couldnt see the progress from the first minute, except for a gung-ho style, that was sometimes punished, but you could see him giving Liverpudlians back their belief from the off imo, because he was a man whose style was made for their crowd.
193 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:48:05
Exellent player,great coach, good person ive heard.
A very classy man.
House in London'the city lights.Does he fancy another job where he is just a Hired Gun,distant board no real relationship.
Is he a romantic???a football guy who see's a chance to do something for a club,fanaticle fans.
Hes got one man owner who put his monet in,who is building a stadium.
Does he fancy the ride,the dream???Does the project exite him.
Well hes got breaking the city dominance of the Red Shite in Europe to put right.Win a Premier League to put right.
Across the Park all the motivation he would need folks.
So yep he can go to Arsenal but does a stint in the North West, Liverpool appealing enough.65 retire a proven coach.
We gotta hope that this could persude him to come and sprinkle his magic.
Classy bloke,no we wouldnt get him running up the touchline,but he wouldnt stop Duncan doing it.
Big Dunc would learn so much.
Iam thinking he might fancy becoming an icon with his own Statue alongside a couple of our greats.
Am I dreaming, is he not just about money.
Then this sleeping giant with Moshiri might be what he fancies.
Lets hope to god it is hey.
The project, Premier League winners, Champions League winner, FA Cup in the next seven years.Hes then done.
194 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:49:54
195 Posted 12/12/2019 at 10:59:16
We need a top guy with a winning track record. There's no guarantee it will be problem-free, just like that lot, but there are no guarantees on anything. Everton need to decide whether they truly want to be at the top or just remain also-rans. When people say "There's no way so-and-so would come to Everton", it just reeks of folks being so used to mediocrity they can't see it being any different.
196 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:01:10
197 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:19:39
So we need a new girl and here we are in the Rebound Club. We've surveyed the seen. The first girl we noticed is our ex, red haired Scottish girl we dated for 11 years. She wasn't much of a looker back then, but she was a solid girl and looked after us well. She left us for a flash fella from Manchester. Time has not been good to her, she's been dumped by the Manc, mistreated by a Spaniard, had a brief dalliance with a Mackem and a Cockney, but now she wants us back, only her red hair is grey now. Since we split, we've also come into some money, got a bit more to offer and think we can do better.
Another Portuguese girl flirted with us for a bit, bit it turns out she had a boyfriend, some rich Chinese guy, and she was just making him jealous, and now she's left the club.
Our mate, Marcel has been trying to set us up. He reckons this Dutch girl might be interested, but she's got a fella right now, and we can see loads of guys are chasing her, but Marcel reckons if we play our cards right, then we might be able to get her in a few weeks.
There was also a gorgeous young Argentinian who was flirting with us, after Marcel introduced us, but it seems like she's going to commit to a relationship she said was coming to an end.
Some Italian Milf has just entered the club. She's not quite what Marcel said we should be going for, but she kind of looks like Monica Bellucci, so it doesn't matter she's getting on, we just can't take our eyes off her.
Marcel has pointed out that we might need a younger girl for the long term. In addition to the Dutch girl, he's also got a Spaniard he can introduce us too. She seems very interested but we heard that she was a bit of a nightmare in her last relationship and that's putting us off. There's another Spaniard, who used to be in a relationship with our brother, but she's with some rich Chinese guy and we don't think we'll be able to persuade her to ditch them and come to us, and having been with our brother in the past, things could get awkward in the future.
There's another young Portuguese girl, but she seems a bit too similar to our ex, even if she's a lot more attractive. Marcel wants us to have a chat, but our Uncle Bill keeps interfering and keeps bringing our ex, the Scottish girl over. If only Uncle Bill would go home, he keeps putting everyone off, and at this rate we won't be able to find a new girl any time soon.
(Apologies to the ladies!)
198 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:20:23
- Ancelloti : moshiri is willing to spend big in Jan and Summer
- Jardim / Genesio : moshiri looking to buy potential and sell at high prices (fits well with what brands is here for - bit like Athletico / Dortmund / Monaco)
- Moyes : the spending spree is over.
Id be pleased with a Jardim / Genesio type of appointment.
Lots of silly rumours at the moment and all v hard to resist getting sucked in. Strongly suspect we'll know by Christmas day but maybe not a lot before. In the meantime hope Dunc manages to keep the ship afloat. As good a job as he did at the weekend we have a few difficult games ahead and we're a fickle bunch.
199 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:25:40
Do you have any idea what he'd be like here and why are you confident he would be a success?
200 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:30:34
201 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:32:47
He's proved he's a good manager, but even the so called top managers fail when lumbered with players who are not up to it.
If by chance we got Ancelloti I've no doubt he would have wanted assurances off the club that we would buy one or two elite players.
Not that I would complain about that!
202 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:33:17
203 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:52:09
204 Posted 12/12/2019 at 11:57:09
205 Posted 12/12/2019 at 14:58:54
Give Ferguson a chance to prove he has the capability to produce for Everton and the fans. In the meantime, go to Plan B and search for a home grown manager similar to Howard Kendall if Ferguson does not work out or does not feel the job is for him.
206 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:43:24
207 Posted 12/12/2019 at 15:59:44
As best I can determine, the idea that he might be available came out of one unsourced, speculative article from Cape Town, and all the others (like the Mirror) just picked up that story.
I enjoyed your post #197, but you overlooked that Basque girl in the corner. The one who had such a brilliant marriage back home and had a celebrated affair in Paris before hooking up with a deeply disturbed guy in London and going through an ugly divorce.
208 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:14:41
He's gotta be making a fortune. Why would he leave?
(PS... I know this stuff because my father-in-law follows the Super League and is a fan of his hometown Wuhan Zall.)
209 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:17:59
210 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:23:06
I thought I mentioned your Basque. But I was doing two things at once and missed the end to the post as well!
211 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:31:19
212 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:33:39
213 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:38:05
Robert #209, we'd have to be prepared to write a huge contract for him. CSL manager salaries are insane. I don't know what Genesio is making, but Rafa is on £12m/year and Cannavaro £10.6m, so that'll give you an idea.
214 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:43:11
I hear that Guangtai fella speaks Chinese with a very unusual accent.
215 Posted 12/12/2019 at 16:55:09
Bet they have a McDonalds though!
216 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:11:25
217 Posted 12/12/2019 at 17:59:43
I did think the caviar and shaved truffles sprinkled over the fries was a bit much.
218 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:10:59
219 Posted 12/12/2019 at 18:18:45
Thanks Mike G, sounds very impressive for a McDonalds, you'd go in and order just to get the Caviar and shaved truffles, and throw the usual fare away. :-)
220 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:08:10
221 Posted 12/12/2019 at 19:27:28
I loved that post, I would like to see more of that!!
I'm going for Monica Bellucci and by that I don't mean Carlo Ancelotti I mean Monica Bellucci!!
I'd walk over broken glass for her, without my boots on!
Tony Abrahams a belated welcome to the 50 club,
Mine was in November and I'm really surprised the French put on free trains from Monte Carlo?
Is that just for scousers?
222 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:18:46
Brings back great memories that pub in Monaco (Billy!) Derek. We were paying about €8 for a pint watching England on the telly, and when the game finished we went for a little walk, and found this cracker and thought we were also getting our beer for nothing, because of the difference in price.
You can imagine the tips, the people behind the bar got? again, because theres loads of scousers in the world!
223 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:33:21
And then Tony you had better remember the name of that "cheap" bar in Monte Carlo!! You will be like the pied piper of Toffeweb.
224 Posted 12/12/2019 at 21:52:01
Banish the thought of relegation, and lets get get a good man in charge. Duncan, Hes got the passion required, who knows if hes got the talent? Kendall, only did well once he got Colin Harvey on board, so I wonder if Duncan has got any old mates, who know the game like Harvey?
225 Posted 12/12/2019 at 22:36:15
226 Posted 12/12/2019 at 22:39:29
227 Posted 12/12/2019 at 22:52:55
Our top players like Digne and Richarlison would be subs at the most successful of his sides. It wont be Ancelloti. We need someone who can develop players - not manage big egos
228 Posted 12/12/2019 at 23:44:11
I have little faith in anything the Echo regurgitates, and through experience have found them to get so many stories completely wrong. Plus they certainly seem to have a bias toward the side at Mordor. Hence the nickname The Red Echo.
Regarding the current situation at Our Club, which is really the only one that interests me the most, apart from confirmation that Duncan will continue as Interim for the Man United fixture. There has been no Official Statement from the Club, about any intentions or whatever.
Again we are pretty much in the dark, or 'mushroomised' as Lyndon referred to accurately, in a recent article. There are so many points that require some sort of information especially regarding recent events which are, outside the normal day to day news.
Want is Marcel Brands doing during this Manager Search? How much is he taking the lead in the potential selection? Who does he favour? Did Duncan really say, as widely reported, that he doesn't want the Job permanently?
I could go on, but without repeating what has already been asked, and not only by myself, I think the very least we long-suffering fans, who let's face it have kept our part of the unwritten Contract between Club/Support/Loyalty do deserve some Feedback! (hopefully of a positive nature)
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235 Posted 13/12/2019 at 01:20:23
Here is another one:
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239 Posted 13/12/2019 at 01:50:58
It's great to watch his post match interviews and compare them with what we had become used to. It's night and day.
BTW, I live in Columbia, South Carolina, and I was born 12 miles from Goodison Park, 72 years ago.
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242 Posted 13/12/2019 at 02:03:27
My personal choice (not that I have any say in it) would have been Marcelo Gallardo, but it is being reported that he has no intention of leaving Argentina/South America in the immediate future, but may change to another Club. He has allegedly dismissed links with us too.
Don't have any inkling as to who Ancellotti normally works with, but it would be good to know from someone who does on that. The only other thing I'm sure we would all like to know, who's choice is Ancellotti?
If this is not Marcel Brands, surely he has had his role seriously undermined yet again. Is Moshiri having another go at Football Manager after proving that he is useless and costly? (to himself and the Club)
243 Posted 13/12/2019 at 02:32:43
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245 Posted 13/12/2019 at 15:36:55
He ain't coming. Just said so himself on this very credible website.
246 Posted 13/12/2019 at 19:51:51
247 Posted 13/12/2019 at 23:12:55
Do you honestly believe Ancelloti would come out with comments that contain f this, f that? I dont think so.
If this is a wind up, I took the bait!!!!
248 Posted 13/12/2019 at 23:39:58
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250 Posted 13/12/2019 at 23:50:44
1-0 too you 🥋🥋🥋
251 Posted 14/12/2019 at 00:26:34
Anyway, moving on; There's no rush, Ferguson can keep us ticking over nicely until after New Year. He can then go out on a high at anfield, or low, but most probably this being The Ev, in some sort of unlucky one in million combination of bad bounce / beachball / black cat / VAR shite.
Then when the new guy is in dire straits come next November, we can all look back on Ferguson's abortive reign and sigh.
But The Sultans of Swing up in the board room, will do well to heed the lesson handed out to the Labour Party...if you consistantly have an unpopular leader and consistently fail to listen to the people, they will, eventually, desert you (ooh-er missus, a bit of politics, sorry MK, but it has some relevance)
252 Posted 14/12/2019 at 07:25:39
Jay, well done mate, in Ray's defence it was well constructed and almost credible, I particularly liked the highlights in the margin, alluding to other news.
253 Posted 14/12/2019 at 10:29:26
It's a cleverly crafted page, isn't it?
I hope Ray isn't blushing too much! One thing we Blues do well is the ability to laugh at ourselves. Heaven knows, we've had plenty of material down the years to do so!
I'm reminded of a Rag Mag (aside: do such things still exist these days?) I picked up, in all places, in Johannesburg, South Africa, in the very early 1980s.
I fancy that this one will appeal to you Derek. Amidst all the gags and cartoons, there was a cartoon of the three witches of 'the Scottish Play' gathered around a cauldron. And one of them says to the other:
'Really Hecate! Is that the best you can do? Put a curse on Everton?'
A student Rag Mag. In South Africa. In the early 1980s, FFS! Relentless!
254 Posted 14/12/2019 at 12:15:40
Im blaming an over indulgence of Famous Grouse for my inability to detect fact from fiction, and as you say, youve got to laugh 😂😂😂
255 Posted 14/12/2019 at 12:31:07
256 Posted 14/12/2019 at 13:02:46
This 'Moyes Reappointed at Everton' story is quite droll.
As is 'Duncan Ferguson Apologizes for Breaking Ball Boy's Ribs'.
I'd never heard of this site before stumbling on it with the Ancelotti tale.
Now bookmarked! It's got some crackers!
257 Posted 14/12/2019 at 13:19:36
not sure if it's on your radar, so here you go-
258 Posted 14/12/2019 at 13:34:02
Brian @255; I think its with the Arteta money
259 Posted 14/12/2019 at 13:49:11
My memory isnt that bad.
You will have to try harder!!!
260 Posted 14/12/2019 at 14:19:51
Thanks for the link. I sent the Moyes story to my son this morning. He nearly shit himself when he saw the headline, but not once hed read it.
Theres one on there about Souness calling for more sexy lesbians to play in womens football.
But I think that one might be genuine!
261 Posted 14/12/2019 at 23:16:25
I'd like to think the board are working together, and taking lessons learnt from the past failings, in management.
Like at work, in Telecomms, what really, makes a P1, fault, in context of the Management situation at EFC?
Taking a punt, 10 days in. It's likely the board are planning, but I sense this time, any announcement for the next boss, will be very carefully negotiated.
Who it will be, let's hope he will deliver us to the better days.
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