The 20-year-old striker was a high-profile acquisition from Juventus last summer but struggled to make an impact at Goodison Park as Marco Silva's tenure as manager at the club imploded.
Kean scored his first and only goal to date for the Toffees earlier this year but has had to fight for minutes as Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison have formed a strong attacking partnership.
That has led to talk of the Italy U21 striker returning home but despite him expressing his happiness at Everton, Football Italia are suggesting he is frustrated and that Roma will bid to sign him when the transfer window reopens.
Original Source: Football Italia
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1 Posted 10/04/2020 at 20:13:25
While I think Moise Kean would eventually come good for us, I do feel he's a work in progress due to his age. I also don't think he'll get the luxury of game time like Calvert-Lewin to develop and make mistakes unless he goes out on loan. So I'd offload him and bring in someone like Milik or Belotti as a replacement.
2 Posted 11/04/2020 at 01:04:27
I don't see either Milik or Belotti coming to us as third-choice forward. Belotti would be costly -- West Ham couldn't get him for £55 million -- and Milik has made it clear his Premier League dreams begin and end at Old Trafford.
3 Posted 11/04/2020 at 03:48:11
Although, having said that, his acclimatisation to the Premier League is taking longer than one would have liked. However, it has not been helped by infrequent appearances and mostly then from the bench in the dying embers of the game.
Gavin, I know very little about this Cengiz Under; perhaps you, or anyone for that matter, could enlighten me, as to his ability, which could be a gamble. The last Turkish acquisition didn't turn out too well for us. Although I did like the lad, he knew where the goal was, but did not suit our method of playing.
4 Posted 11/04/2020 at 05:38:24
5 Posted 11/04/2020 at 05:46:31
Even taking into consideration his age, the language barrier and the fact that he is playing in a difficult-to-adjust-to league, he has shown very little.
Yet another foreign player from which many have seen qualities which he hasn't actually shown – YouTube has much to answer for.
At his age, Victor Anichebe was rampaging around Europe and looking so much better than Kean does now, but he was vilified by many. There was no "Let's be patient with him" for big Vic... Wonder why that was?
Anichebe ended up a very wealthy young man, but ultimately proved to be not good enough. I expect Kean to emulate him on both counts.
6 Posted 11/04/2020 at 10:20:12
You look at the lists of players that struggled in their first season in the Premier League and I expect great improvement from the likes of Pepe and Kean next season. This lad is not some foreign flop but is the best young striker in Italy. I have watched him at Under-21 level for his country and he looks the beast we have only seen cameos of against the neighbours and Newcastle.
Kean has power, pace, athleticism, has excellent movement and finishing and is still only a boy adapting to a new country and all that entails. He is finding everything too fast at the moment and looks a little lost. I do agree there has to be a question mark over his temperament and he has the possibility of flitting away his career like a Balotelli but, in terms of potential, I don't think the likes of Milik and Belotti are in the same league.
I think it would be madness to let him go now considering we have paid his wages while he is acclimatising and, should he excel, Carlo will have the option of dropping Richarlison to left-wing which also solves that problem area and gets even more goals in the team.
7 Posted 11/04/2020 at 11:11:50
You have rightly been a staunch advocate of Dominic when others have dismissed him but, in his three seasons before this season, he scored only 11 Premier League goals in 3 seasons and been very inconsistent also. He has been given time to come good and I hope Moise will get the same patience.
I believe Kean has the best natural movement, is the best finisher and is the most dynamic of our front three despite his early struggles, so is not someone we should give up on too quickly.
8 Posted 11/04/2020 at 12:35:17
I don't think he will be sold, but Under and Belotti would be nice.
9 Posted 11/04/2020 at 15:54:42
He is only 20, Calvert-Lewin is young at 23 so he needs a bit more development time. With more maturity and more experience, he could well become a beast of a player, the signs are there. It could be a massive mistake to sell him and I hope the club don't.
It's a possibility that Richarlison will be moved out wide and Moise will get a starting berth alongside Calvert-Lewin in a 4-4-2 , especially for home games. Injuries and cup games could see him step in too.
10 Posted 11/04/2020 at 16:14:30
You claim Kean has power pace and athleticism. Those were all the qualities attributed to Big Vic when he was a teenager. There are striking similarities. I can still remember Anichebe hitting a screamer at Birmingham and thinking, Wow!
Vic's problem wasn't his ability, it was his attitude. but he was better at that age than Kean is now.
If you really believe Calvert-Lewin has been given time and patience, you must have been watching different games to me. He has been hammered and I don't mean people simply stating they don't rate him. He was murdered by ignorant criticism. scapegoated and blamed, sometimes carrying the whole can for a defeat. Even now he only has to miss a half-chance and his critics have the knives out.
I won't ever hammer a youngster. That doesn't mean I will pretend to see qualities they haven't exhibited
Calvert-Lewin always showed the qualities to play in the Premier League – despite being played here there and everywhere and for long periods played up front alone by half-witted managers because their expensive signings couldn't cut it.
You won't see me hammering Kean. He may well go on to have a better career than Calvert-Lewin... but I think he will have to find a league which suits his style better. I don't think it will be in this one.
11 Posted 11/04/2020 at 17:52:03
12 Posted 11/04/2020 at 18:59:46
Moise's goal record for his teams at youth and senior level (bar us) is astounding, while Victor was averaging a goal a season until his last few at Goodison. I think Kean enjoys playing off the shoulder and will suit playing with Calvert-Lewin as opposed to being a battering ram.
I agree with you about the lack of support from the terraces for Dominic but I was referring to the Club rather than fans showing patience and hope they do the same with Moise. I wasn't criticising Dominic, rather complimenting his development and highlighting that patience can be rewarded and, as you point out, there can be reasons for perceived stagnation. Kean imo has all the ingredients to be a top player, but it's up to him to go and do it. I feel he should be given more leeway than the likes of Iwobi and Delph, however, who were bought for the here and now.
I disagree with Tony E that he needs to go out on loan as everything is in his own hands here. Coming on as sub is perfect as it keeps the pressure off while our front two are continuing to flourish. Should his performances from the bench improve to the level we hope there is a clear starting place for him with Richarlison dropping to the left.
13 Posted 11/04/2020 at 19:05:33
That said I have not really seen what all the fuss is about, his touch looks poor and it hasn't worked out so far. I hope he proves me wrong.
14 Posted 11/04/2020 at 19:45:40
15 Posted 11/04/2020 at 20:25:26
After being named reserve team player of the year at 17, Anichebe was given a few cameos the next season. 4 goals when he was 18 and 5 when he was 19.
Anichebe the boy was everthing you say Kean is and more. He was bigger faster. stronger. I saw him murder Rio Ferdinand at Old Trafford and come on to do the same to John Terry in the cup game we won on penalties at Stamford Bridge.
Whether Anichebe would have become a regular Premier League player had shithouse Nolan not effectively ended his career shortly after he had turned 20 is debatable. He was already a sulking baby with a very poor attitude, but remember this: he already had scored 10 goals for the first team by the time he was Kean's age.
Like Kean, his appearances were mostly as a last-ditch substitution. He too was often played out of position.
Kean has scored 1 goal in 22. I just don't see where this big improvement is going to come from.
I definitely think if he had come through the academy, instead of being a big money glamour signing from Europe, many of those screaming for patience would have long since thrown him to the wolves.
16 Posted 11/04/2020 at 20:54:20
17 Posted 11/04/2020 at 21:53:48
18 Posted 11/04/2020 at 22:03:44
19 Posted 11/04/2020 at 22:22:31
I take your point on what you have seen from both in a blue shirt which as you say is what counts and your scepticism is certainly warranted but I will be putting a line through this season as I feel we have only seen the real Moise Kean sporadically.
This lad apparently made a huge impression on loan then looked the real deal at Juve. I saw a few of his games at U21 level because Ireland are in the same group and again he looked different gravy even allowing for the easier level.
I remember some Man City fans laughing at Fernandinho and Fred was described as Man Utd's worst ever signing yet they were experienced internationals who struggled to hit the ground running. I know it takes a leap of faith but it's still early days.
20 Posted 11/04/2020 at 23:05:28
Then lots of posts above are praising his finishing... when?!?! Serie A when 3 defenders are marking Ronaldo is different to finishing in the Premier League.
Then people make excuses for his age. But Mason Greenwood, Neto and Martinelli have comfortably outscored Kean (plus look like footballers Kean does not!!)
Then people also make the excuse that he's from a different league and needs to settle in. Well, Neto and Martinelli are also from different leagues. Martinelli is from a different continent!!!!
There's no genuine excuses – the guy is a rich man's Sandro. Neither can control the ball. Neither can score regularly in the Premier League. And neither will make it at Everton.
21 Posted 12/04/2020 at 02:59:33
You distort what you see as the glamorous foreigner's stats in order to make him look better and you repeatedly distort and talk down the academy boy's stats in order to make him look worse.
Anichebe had scored five Premier League goals at Kean's age. His goal against Nuremburg was scored within minutes of coming on. His goal against Metalist Kharkiv was quite possibly one of the best individual goals from an Everton player this century.
Like many an academy player before him – and quite a few since – Vic was the whipping boy, but he was still well ahead of Kean at his age.
I won't take your route of talking down Kean in order to boost Anichebe. As I said, I don't agree with knocking young players, but I will never understand why expensive imports are treated so very differently to boys coming through.
When I hear people dismiss the likes of Holgate whilst bigging up Mina (and there were many of them) or labeling Davies "League One" whilst calling Iwobi "an exciting prospect" ... I shake my head in disbelief.
Anichebe and Kean... One loved by fans who permanently scream for more time due to these imaginary flashes of brilliance. The other vilified and abused as a teenager – despite actual flashes of brilliance. One a £30M signing from Italy, the other an academy boy who cost nothing. I don't get it. I guess I never will.
I would love to see Kean come good, I really would... but if he gets to the stage when he s scoring more in a season than the guy who "couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo", I'll start trainspotting... and collecting stamps.
22 Posted 12/04/2020 at 07:22:39
I've been disappointed in Kean. But then he's not been given much time and missed opportunities he might have scored in his first handful of games.
He looks to have some raw ingredients; pace, power, strength and smart movement... so I hope we'll see better in the next season or two.
23 Posted 12/04/2020 at 11:23:21
Darren, I'm not glamourising anything as I've already conceded that Anichebe performed better in his first season in a blue shirt. It's just Anichebe to me was never a goalscorer and it's nothing to do with being from the academy.
Moise Kean has scored one in two at all levels bar the Premier League, for his club and country, which is superb. He has been a major disappointment at Goodison, no doubt, but I raise the point about Europe because we are not comparing like with like.
Kase has spoken about two gems in Martinelli and Neto who have clearly outperformed Kean but with those and Anichebe they were also getting chances in Europe against weaker opposition which could build confidence. If Kean had ten games in the Europa League,like Neto, or an FA Cup run, who's to say he wouldn't have had a few goals to take into the Premier League? He has been unable to get going and was back on the bench after his only sparkling display.
Don't worry, I see him falling over his feet, his failure to trap the ball, his performance on the right wing for 45 minutes where I nearly broke the telly, and his constant conceding of possession. I'm not trying to fool anyone.
But what I will say, irrelevant from his reputation and just solely on his Everton time, I saw a run on his debut that none of our other attackers had made when the ball didn't come and he was clean thorough; I saw him drift off the back post looking for scraps which I don't often see from our strikers; I saw him make a run against Watford for the winning goal in which he always made himself available at anytime for Richarlison's pass and blocked his defender from getting into position; and after his embarrassing scuff and fall on his ass, I saw his desire and instinct to get back up and follow on if Walcott was to miss.
These little moments tell me this boy will score goals despite often stinking the place out; he wants to be in there and he wants the responsibility when he gets it. He has loads to work on but he has the raw material.
24 Posted 12/04/2020 at 11:46:50
In particular, the midfield is highly dysfunctional – not suited at all to someone who needs quick accurate passes to find his intelligent runs. When Gomes, Gbamin, Bernard and Iwobi are settled and gelling, I expect Kean will look a lot better than Calvert-Lewin (and I'm a big fan of him).
I sort of get the comparison to Anichebe but, a few games & goals aside, Big Vic did not look like much of a footballer and did very well (with good coaching from Moyes) to become as effective as he did for us.
25 Posted 12/04/2020 at 12:00:52
I don't know if John Daley was still posting when you first logged into TW. His posts were quite simply a cut above. Razor sharp, really knowledgeable and an ability to make others laugh out loud.
After coming off second-best in an exchange with him. I instructed my lads that, if ever I was in a court of law, they were to hunt him down and pay him what he wants to represent me.
I like to think John still logs on from time to time but, in his absence, I was hoping you may step in and represent me should the need ever arise.
Not sure you are always right, but you contest every single point as if it was match point.
Fair play. Happy Easter... and believe it or not, I sincerely hope you are right on this occasion.
26 Posted 12/04/2020 at 12:03:19
27 Posted 12/04/2020 at 12:16:01
His pedigree says give him another 2 years to see if he can make it.
28 Posted 12/04/2020 at 14:54:24
If you can't be bothered to read the previous messages then why should anyone be bothered to respond to yours?
29 Posted 12/04/2020 at 15:16:01
At present, he looks like one of those players that will end up at a Serie A team that you remember the name of from Channel 4 football but would struggle to find the city or town on the map.
30 Posted 12/04/2020 at 16:01:22
My belief has always been that comparisons of two players are pointless. Debates about "He's another _____" or "He'll never be ______" always seem to end up as clay-court tennis matches -- endless 40-shot rallies.
Just because two players have power, pace, athleticism doesn't make them even remotely comparable in my view, because a dozen other factors enter into whether one or the other will be more successful.
Of one thing I'm certain – the failure of another superficially resemblant but entirely different player a decade ago is of zero predictive value when applied to Moise Kean. Like Robert, I look forward to seeing him playing in front of a competent, creative midfield. Let's just hope we have one soon.
Paul #29, Kean's contract runs for four more years, thru June 2024, so we'll certainly have a verdict on him long before he starts "running down his contract."
31 Posted 12/04/2020 at 19:56:04
No, I grew up with an Irish mother and three sisters so I need to come on ToffeeWeb to get a word in edgeways. That was nice of you to say as the likes of yourself and Paul A Smith (wherever he went) made me feel really welcome on here this time, which was greatly appreciated, and your posts are always of great interest to me because they are heart-felt, explosive, really insightful, and most importantly, always challenge my views.
I particularly like Mike and yourself going toe to toe because it's quite a battle but the mutual respect, admiration and sporting nature overwhelmingly shine through.
John Daley's name registers with me but I don't remember his posts unfortunately, he's probably away playing golf these days (sorry).
With regards to your offer, I have been back on here for over a year or so now so I have seen how many poor ToffeeWebbers you have upset, so let's get one thing clear: to represent you, I don't want to be just paid – I want friggin danger money also!
I have re-read your post and have come to the conclusion that it wasn't even a compliment, half-arsed or not, but a kind-hearted, long-winded way of calling me a waffler!!!
32 Posted 12/04/2020 at 22:04:58
I enjoyed the battle of wits of Darren and Co, both make good cases. I'm with Darren in as much as how fans perceive a player based on hype or potential.
Ability is only as good as attitude. So many factors to take into consideration when talking of potential.
If Kean stays and fullfills his promise, he will be sold anyway.
33 Posted 13/04/2020 at 04:39:36
I did not compare Anichebe to Kean simply because they were both considered to have "pace, power and athleticism". They were not even my words. I simply quoted the words Conor used to describe Kean.
My intention was to compare their incredibly similar circumstances as opposed to styles (note, I'm saying similar – not identical) and the stark difference between the support they received from the fan base.
Both of these kids were ill-used. Both of them were played out of position (Anichebe more than Kean) at a time they were trying to learn their trade. Both were often sent on so late, it was nigh-on impossible for them to make an impact. Both were cruelly judged by the stat crazies who would simply quote how many appearances they had made and how many goals they had scored – I did the same myself to demonstrate the irony.
Anichebe must have played well over 100 games for Everton, but I think I read somewhere that he holds the club record for the most appearances as a substitute. I'm sure it's around 80.
I don't need telling that Kean has not been given a proper chance, but those who are calling for more time for him must realise that, barring injuries, he is unlikely to get that time.
There are inevitable comparisons to be drawn, but it is the stark contrast in the way they are treated by the fans which gets me back on my old hobby horse.
With the best will in the world, Kean has been unable to demonstrate what he can do since he arrived; but, every time he gets warmed up, the crowd are up and applaud him, willing him on. Barely a day passes by without somebody on TW pleading for more time for him. More patience.
In contrast, by the time he was 20, Big Vic was having his named booed when it was announced before a ball was kicked.
We love a big foreign signing. Our fan base seem to be totally blinded by them. Ability often seems secondary. When I think of the fanfares which have greeted all those useless fuckers brought in to get us goals... the money squandered.
The fact that our much abused, "useless" "Championship-at-best" young striker has come through and seen the fucking lot of them off won't change anything. Time and patience should be afforded to ALL youngsters. Not just the foreigners with the fancy YouTube footage.
It was intended as a compliment... even though you were wrong.
34 Posted 13/04/2020 at 08:35:21
I wasn't aware that Vic was being booed at age 20, but I would point out that by that time he was already deep into his 3rd season with the club, with more than 60 appearances. Kean hasn't even played one full season yet, so the overall fan base hasn't had time to sour on him. I think his flashes of talent are more to credit for their patience than his foreign origin. Remember, Lookman had an extended honeymoon too, and he's English.
Personally, I never particularly rated Vic. Much as I liked him for his physical style and positivity, I was unimpressed with his finishing power and work rate. I never for a moment thought he was a future starter, let alone a potential star. (The Metalist Kharkiv goal was excellent, but I think your description greatly oversells it.)
As for Kean, I'd say let's see how he performs with a real manager and, as I said, a real midfield.
35 Posted 13/04/2020 at 09:08:07
36 Posted 13/04/2020 at 09:19:30
He was a physical presence, good at making space for others, distracting defenders and coming up with a goal every five games or so. James Vaughan was the better player I reckon and seemed a proper goalscorer.
As for fans being biased towards foreign players i'm not so sure. Certainly its exciting when we splash cash on someone who's billed as Juventus' bright young things but equally I think alot of us love to see homegrown talent get onto the pitch.
The biggest boo boy of the last two seasons has surely got to be Schneiderlin or possibly Sigurdsson. Who can forget the many who used to hurl abuse at Lukaku who was comfortably our best striker in the last decade? I think most players get judged on what people see on the pitch irrelevant of where they come from. We all want young players to deliver on their potential but its been an unforgiving crowd for the last two years as results have not reflected the new expectations that splashing cash brings.
37 Posted 13/04/2020 at 10:01:43
In Schneiderlin and Lukakus case lack of effort and playing within themselves and for themselves was the reason they were barracked, in Sigurdssons it was because he has been very poor in most games and hardly in the game and to be honest Ancelotti has been forced to play because of the limited number of midfielders able to play, well at least I hope that was the case.
One of the worst cases of players getting booed was Tom Cleverely, a player who always gave of his best even when played out of position mostly, he was substituted in one game and booed off the field, a disgrace by every one who booed him and there were plenty.
38 Posted 13/04/2020 at 11:08:44
Show me a boy who came through our ranks and I will show you somebody who has taken incredible stick from an early age – Rooney excepted
You may be right about Sigurdsson and Schneiderlin getting the most stick over a 2-year period, but that is for the very reasons Dave A speaks about.
They got away with murder for years because of their ability. Only after seasons of turning a blind eye to their lack of effort did the crowd finally run out of patience with them.
Those two must love it when Tom Davies is selected or comes on as sub. He only needs to step onto the pitch and he immediately diverts attention. The boo boys turn on him with even greater venom.
Whether you believe Davies is good enough or not, he works more in one half than the £75m foreign partnership do in an entire match. Not being good enough isn't a crime. Not working hard enough is.
39 Posted 13/04/2020 at 11:35:12
But Darren, I really think that all players get incredible stick the moment they start making mistakes. I don't go to Gooddison so perhaps its different there but it seems on here and other fansites and awful social media etc that players just have to make a few errors before they are virtually strung up! Doesn't matter whether you are a kid or not.
Iwobi cost £30m and he's been slaughtered this season for not doing a whole heap wrong despite not getting alot of time. Keane cost a small fortune but was ridiculed in his first season. Even Digne has been getting slagged off despite being our player of the year last season.
I think the kids who come in naturally make mistakes and they are lambasted for them like others. Most people have the players they like that they are prepared to defend and players they like that they are prepared to attack. I think you are like me and tend to like the kids; I've stood up for the likes of Calvert-Lewin and Holgate over the last few years but I like Davies less and have probably given him more stick. Being foreign and having good pedigree can persuade people to take a favourable stance (as can having good hair! I'm amazed at how many plaudits Gomes gets for his performances for us) but if you makes mistakes or don't pull your weight it won't last long. There are very few players who escape the ire of some quarter or other if we are having a bad month I reckon.
I think you, like me, expect people to have a little more patience with kids who are obviously going to make those mistakes and need more time to adjust.
40 Posted 13/04/2020 at 11:47:23
I don't remember Tommy Wright getting much stick, I was lucky enough to go to the same school as Tommy, so saw him close up as a youngster. And as you say I don't remember Rooney getting any stick although he was still very young when he left. I know you steadfastly champion all our young players, and even more so the youngsters born here, and there is nothing wrong in that.
This argument comes up all the time are our homegrown players given more stick than those who are not. I really don't know if that's true, or just a myth. Yes, I heard even Colin Harvey getting stick, but there are very few players who don't get stick from time to time. I know Joe Royle got stick when he replaced Alex Young, but bye and large Joe didn't get a lot of stick either as I remember.
I think the worst bit of stick I recall was when we replaced Bobby Collins with Dennis Stevens. On his debut at Goodison he was booed every time he touched the ball, I can't remember any player being booed on his debut. And although he was never truly accepted by large sections of the crowd it didn't seem to affect his play. The one thing that you got from Stevens was 100% commitment in every game he played, but as I say there were still lots who didn't like him.
41 Posted 13/04/2020 at 12:10:49
I thought Victor, played his best football in Europe, and also thought it was only in this competition, that Everton played to the kids strength? Big strong centre-forwards, should always get the ball to feet, around the edge of the box imo, and this is the only time when Anichibe looked like he could become a decent player, in my eyes?
I cant believe Victor has been used from the bench that often, because he used to come on, and instantly look like he didnt even want to be on the pitch sometimes, and thats why I was never really endeared to him, in the same way I was to his partner, the fearless James Vaughan?
42 Posted 13/04/2020 at 12:31:09
A young lad who I used to sit next to in the Top Balcony knew and had played football with both – his oft repeated comment was "James is 10 times the player that Victor will ever be". Sadly, injuries to both meant that we never got to find out.
As for young players who got no stick when coming into the team – a long time ago I know, but Alan Whittle??
43 Posted 13/04/2020 at 12:36:22
44 Posted 13/04/2020 at 12:59:38
Keane is a different kettle of fish, how he got so far in the game including getting around 10 England caps just amazes me, his lack of awareness, anticipation and heading ability for a centre-half is beyond belief. I never boo any player but Michael Keane has my heart in my mouth every time he plays for the Blues. I just can't believe how poor he is, definitely a liability... but I stress that is just my opinion.
45 Posted 13/04/2020 at 13:15:19
Dennis Stevens. My Dad always said that, as a player, he was ahead of his time.
I thought he was a much underrated player. Non-stop running, maximum effort, fearless tackling and a far better player than some people gave him credit for. Some of the mouth breathers who gave him stick wouldn't know a player if he tackled them.
46 Posted 13/04/2020 at 13:29:55
I know that many yeatrs after he finished playing for us said he was ahead of his time. He was a real box-to-box player, tough-ackling, could pass a ball but, as I recall, didn't score many goals. I think the hardest thing for Dennis was he was always being compared to Bobby Collins.
Back in those days, players didn't bring out autobiographies, but I would love to have heard his thoughts on his Everton career. I think, if memory serves me well, Dennis was involved in the Nat Lofthouse's controversial goal against Man Utd in the Cup Final. It was the shot from Dennis that the keeper parried in the air and, as he was about to catch it, Lofthouse barged him into the net.
47 Posted 13/04/2020 at 13:31:35
Vaughan, on the other hand, loved it a little too much for his own good. His enthusiasm was possibly his downfall. Most of his injuries were caused by going for balls that were never his to go for.
Jeffers most definitely did take stick. Kevin Campell could do no wrong in the eyes of the fans, but when Jeffers was having a poor game. The fans certainly let him know about it
Its interesting that we are going back as far as Tommy Wright and Alan Whittle to find home grown players who didn't get the treatment. They played 50 years ago.
48 Posted 13/04/2020 at 13:31:35
When I went to watch Everton, especially away, I was always more confident when Dennis was playing, played for ninety minutes, never flinched no matter how tough it got and he plenty of skill to match the plenty of energy he had, a great signing by Harry Catterick although it meant the loss of one of my favourites, Bobby Collins.
As a man, four lads I knew bummed a ride on the Everton coach coming back from the Barnsley fa cup game in 1963, they knew some of the players, the coach stopped on the way home at a country inn, as the players were getting off Dennis asked the lads if they were coming in, they explained they were brassic, Dennis said “ I never asked you how much you had, I asked you if you were coming in” so they followed him and Dennis did the honours regarding their pints of bitter.
49 Posted 13/04/2020 at 14:11:20
With the players coming through the ranks there's always been a throwaway argument against them as if some are thinking 'OK, we've tried him for one game, let's buy a proper player.' Since Rooney, this has got worse, because the younger players are compared to an unbelievably great outlier.
The young players that have come through the ranks in the past few years have all had an impressive attitude and workrate. You could argue that they've carried the 'senior' players on many occasions. I won't criticise them.
The criticism is usually habitual, whoever it is. I remember in the mid-80s, in the days before social media, there was one player who I heard regularly get called lazy, bone idle, slow and a lot worse.
His name was Sheedy.
50 Posted 13/04/2020 at 14:35:04
I went to the Milk Cup with my dad and Franny Jeffers was the best young player either of us seen.
51 Posted 13/04/2020 at 14:43:42
Haaland, an incredible player, is the only one scoring lots of goals. Boadu (Netherlands), Macias (Mexico) have scored a good number of goals (14 and 13 respectively) but in weak leagues. In stronger leagues, you then have Isak (Sociedad) and Vlahovic (Fiorentina) with 7 and 6 respectively. Some really promising young strikers, Pinamonti, Rafael Leao and Matheus Cunha have just 2 goals for the season in decent leagues.
My point is that goals are extremely hard to come by for young strikers. It took Calvert-Lewin a while. It might take Kean a while too.
52 Posted 13/04/2020 at 15:06:05
Like you Dave, I wasn't happy to lose Collins but Stevens became a favourite of mine as well. It's worth remembering that he won two League titles with us so he couldn't have been a mediocre player.
53 Posted 13/04/2020 at 15:25:31
He was in no fit state to carry on, and was punching the turf in frustration. Not like Pistone, at the same ground a few years before when he done his knee, because it looked like he was happy to get such a bad injury. Although that's a ludicrous thing to say, some players have genuinely also made me think this way over the years!
54 Posted 13/04/2020 at 15:41:22
55 Posted 13/04/2020 at 16:32:38
Darren #38: "Not being good enough isn't a crime. Not working hard enough is"... absolutely spot on, and for that reason I hope you'll rethink lumping Sigurdsson in with Schneiderlin. There ain't a molecule of lazy in Gylfi, not one.
Dave #44, not saying you're wrong about Keane... I was not in favor of signing him (lobbied for Steve Cook instead)... but I gotta respect his courage. Playing an entire season on a festering foot (without a word) and then sticking his recently-fractured skull fearlessly into the cement mixer causes me to choke on criticising him too much. Not much of a footy brain, but he's got cojones the size of basketballs.
Sam #36/#39, great posts.
56 Posted 13/04/2020 at 16:55:13
1. Athletes who can kick a ball
2. Kids with a brain for football.
We have had a significant number in the first group who were the best thing since.. . . well you name them. But at that age they were streets ahead of their peers in terms of athleticism. Once they started playing against the big boys who were equally athletic then their shortcomings were exposed. The one that really sticks out in my mind for this was Michael Branch.
When you look at the second group, there is a much smaller pool and Rooney is a classic example but I also thought Jeffers fitted into that group as well. Problem was that one became a very good player and then moved away and had a very successful career, the other left too early and never fulfilled the potential he had.
57 Posted 13/04/2020 at 17:02:28
A gem of a player who we stole off Liverpool... nearly as good a bargain as Johnny Morrissey – that was the perfect robbery.
58 Posted 13/04/2020 at 17:19:01
Apologies, of course it was only one Title, he left mid sixties.
Terry, at no point do I refer to Stevens as being, in my book, mediocre. The people who booed him were the ones with the low opinion of him, not me.
59 Posted 13/04/2020 at 18:10:43
60 Posted 13/04/2020 at 18:11:03
Its a professional environment and as such for me if youre picked for Everton thats the standard I expect you to hit. I make little allowance for age, experience etc. because if youve been picked you have been deemed good enough.
I will, and have slaughtered players and managers alike who dont make the grade, but I have also lauded those same players and managers when its gone right. I can genuinely say its not an agenda, its based on what I see!
61 Posted 13/04/2020 at 18:20:51
62 Posted 13/04/2020 at 18:39:24
He was also a bit of a knob and I can't help but feel he just chucked away a trophy-laden career by being a knob. Ball I feel sorry for because he was a class act who had a wrecked career from steroid injections in his knee.
63 Posted 13/04/2020 at 19:29:11
Jeffers of course quickly traded in that affection for a bigger wage packet whilst Campbell continued to give his all to score many an important goal but was unable to get back to his previous standards after a bad injury.
Campbell is still highly regarded amongst supporters, particularly those who recognise him and Jeffers as the two players most responsible for keeping Everton out of any last-day relegation battles in that era.
64 Posted 13/04/2020 at 20:11:27
Kean's touch is awful, but so was Lukaku's and that's the thing with strikers, we can only judge them by their last touch.
Problem with Kean is his jumping, I have never seen him win a header with confidence. He looks way too heavy to win aerial duels, he looks slow running with the ball, probably because of his poor technical ability. You can all try to convince me otherwise but... Nahh.
Verdict: Loan him to a premier team, if he doesn't cut it (which I think will happen), sell him.
65 Posted 13/04/2020 at 20:50:02
66 Posted 13/04/2020 at 21:37:07
"Tricky" often played slightly higher up the pitch and he would catch the eye because he would cover so much ground when tracking back. Sheedy was more measured. When our attacks broke down, his positioning was probably better than Stevens.
A thinker who let his brain do his running. I think even the philistines realised that in the end.
We were spoiled having Sheedy and Stevens in the same team. Two very different wide men. Both brilliant in their own right.
67 Posted 13/04/2020 at 22:31:12
68 Posted 14/04/2020 at 04:57:11
I was at the game against Ipswich in the FA Cup (in The Enclosure) when Sheedy took a freekick scored and it was disallowed and had to retake then scored again. I remember when Ipswich then attacked down their right flank, Sheedy missed a tackle followed by comments of "Sheedy, get a tackle in, you cunt".
Mike #30, 4-year contract seems to also be a bad decision. Good deal for agent/player selling club not so good for Everton. For his age and that amount of money, expecting more than a punt on potential.
69 Posted 14/04/2020 at 14:05:49
Of course few of Unsy's Babes are still in contention as one by one they have been written off without the untold Premier League cameos afforded to our Italian 'star' signing.
One suspects that a return whence he came would satisfy all parties.
70 Posted 16/04/2020 at 12:41:54
I disagree with those who suggest to send him out on loan and definitely wouldn't have him go back to Italy. 'Prep for heading' would be a first on the coaching aspect and 'calm down to improve first touch control' another. With his upper body, he should be difficult to knock off the ball and so teach him how to use his upper-body strength.
71 Posted 16/04/2020 at 12:53:34
Some may argue he hasn't yet had a run in the team but the question is always the same with many so-called strikers who have worn the ''blue'' over the years and yet failed at the task.
With the ''new'' gaffer and a team built to his specification, Kean may indeed prove worthwhile if he remains for a full season.
72 Posted 16/04/2020 at 12:54:14
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