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Rabiot link returns with talks reported

| Friday, 15 May 2020 66comments  |  Jump to last

Everton remain interested in Juventus midfielder Adrian Rabiot according to a report from Italy.

The Frenchman has been linked with a move to Goodison Park since the January transfer window but while nothing came of the speculation at the time, the fact that Rabiot appears destined to leave the Serie A giants this summer has renewed the speculation.

Everton and Newcastle are said to be particularly keen, with reports highlighting the fact that Carlo Ancelotti managed him at Paris St Germain a few years ago.

And both Italian journalist Nicolò Schira and TuttoJuve are claiming that Rabiot's mother and agent, Veronique, has had talks with both English clubs over a potential move for the 25-year-old who joined Juventus last year but hasn't been able to cement a regular place in their line-up.

He would cost around €20m according to the reports but there have been questions raised about his fitness record that might give the Blues pause if they are indeed interested in his services.

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Robert Tressell
1 Posted 15/05/2020 at 18:57:10
This really could be a transformational signing if true. Big, mobile, tenacious and left footed. Would give us a formidable trio of high quality six footers in midfield along with Gomes and Gbamin. With those two alongside him I could see a decent goal return too. As with any transfers there's a risk it doesn't work out (his mum and agent is a menace). But from a playing point of view he looks like a perfect fit to me.
Steve Shave
2 Posted 15/05/2020 at 20:27:37
As soon as I saw this link, I thought you'd be pleased Robert! I know you are a big fan. As you know, my preference would be Allan but Rabiot likely to be a better price as well as age. Either would be a hell of a coup, to be honest.

I'm certainly not going to turn my nose up at him, that is for sure. Lots of names mentioned but it's the two mentioned above who get linked repeatedly. Yes, it's all conjecture but I loves it, I do.

Sam Hoare
3 Posted 15/05/2020 at 22:57:04
Robert, I knew you'd be first on this thread!

A very interesting one. He's on huge wages so not sure how we would accommodate that and he wants to play as an attacking midfielder whereas he's better as a defensive one. Would definitely improve our midfield options but something about it doesn't feel quite right. Bit of a big time Charlie? Very decent player though and worked well with Ancelloti.

Robert Tressell
4 Posted 15/05/2020 at 23:21:53
I won't lie, I'm dead excited. If the next rumour is Malcom, I won't be able to cope at all.
Steve Shave
5 Posted 15/05/2020 at 23:54:07
Ha ha. Why not, Robert? We always get linked with him. Out of interest, how is Malcolm getting on in Russia? Last I heard anything about it, he was getting racially abused by his own fans almost as soon as he arrived!
Minik Hansen
6 Posted 16/05/2020 at 00:13:25
Does he Rabiot have pace?
Sam Hoare
7 Posted 16/05/2020 at 07:56:27
Robert, I'd love Malcom! He was my top pick for a winger last summer. Gutted when he turned us down (for the second time?) and went to Zenit. Who would want big money for him sadly I expect.

Minik, I'd say Rabiot is pretty athletic. Not rapid necessarily but he'd be our fastest central midfielder. (A very low bar!)

Steve Shave
8 Posted 16/05/2020 at 08:22:20
Yes Minik, Rabiot has it all. In my view he is an all action No 8. He can sit and tackle, he has power and athleticism and likes to travel forward with the ball. He has it all in his locker to become an incredible player, something is not quite right though, there always seems to be a media 'rumbling' following him around. It makes me wonder if is it his attitude that is the problem or just the circus that surrounds his notoriously difficult agent and mother?

I think it's less of a risk for us than other Premier League teams as Carlo has worked with him before and Rabiot has reportedly expressed admiration and fondness in the media regarding their time working together. He could well be our answer to the central midfield problem and at the right price. An interesting transfer window awaits!

Bob Parrington
9 Posted 16/05/2020 at 08:46:16
Methinks it is important to have a strong central midfielder who is fast, thoughtful in passing and definitely is not susceptible to injuries!
Bob Parrington
10 Posted 16/05/2020 at 08:46:18
MeThinks it is important to have a strong CM who is fast, thoughtful in passing and definitely is not susceptible to injuries!
Robert Tressell
11 Posted 16/05/2020 at 09:16:21
Steve, Malcom and Rabiot are the two I drone on about every transfer thread. Two quality players in key positions who could really make the difference.

There's lots of very talented players who could fill the right-wing slot – but Malcom to me looks like the player with the most likely goal return which we're crying out for, and a left foot to provide a bit of balance to the forward line.

Tony Everan
12 Posted 16/05/2020 at 09:42:46
A quality player who would add a different dimension to our midfield. I am always suspect of these rumours, agents getting their charge onto the market for an auction. ''Who will pay the most wages, who will give me my 2m fee''. Then the agent will tell which clubs the player should talk to.

In this instance, the Ancelotti connection gives us a shout if we are really interested. I think he would be an excellent signing, but, as a matter of the utmost importance, extensive and proper research needs to be done on his fitness for the relentless Premier League job. ie Was his inability to sustain a regular place in the Juve side partially because he has an ongoing problem? Everton cannot afford to be the fall guy anymore, a great player could then quickly become a ball and chain on our resources.

I still have concerns about Gomes and Gbamin's ability to get through a season [or even half a season]. The last thing we want is another fragile player. It's only a good signing if he plays regularly!

When talking about resilience and fitness, I am drawn to thinking about Idrissa Gana Gueye. Week-in & week-out, he put in the work and was reliable. It makes me wonder whether a midfielder in the mold of Denis Zakaria, Allan, Sangare would be a better overall signing for us.

I'd some opinion on that from Robert and Sam and everyone. It's a hugely important signing for us and for the Carlo Ancelotti project, I want us to get it right as the right man in will see us move up a level.

Pat Kelly
13 Posted 16/05/2020 at 10:42:44
We'll probably sign his mother!
Colin Glassar
14 Posted 16/05/2020 at 10:47:20
This must be the most rumour-related player of all time. Every transfer window, he's put in the shop window... and every transfer window, he stays with his club. Boring!
Andrew Ellams
15 Posted 16/05/2020 at 11:20:53
I don't see Ancelotti playing Gomes, Gbamin and Rabiot in the same team. He looks to prefer two central players, two wide men with a work ethic, and a secondary striker off a centre-forward.
Sam Hoare
16 Posted 16/05/2020 at 11:33:14
Tony@12 Rabiots injury history is not too bad. According to the internet he missed a month or so in 2017 with a hamstring issue but since then has not been unavailable for more than a few days here or there with injuries.

His fitness may be another issue. He didn’t quite establish himself in the Juventus midfield but don’t imagine that being an issue with us. He would surely start every week and that could bring the best out of him. Peak Rabiot is a serious player.

I think he’s a better more developed player than Sangare and possibly as good as Zakaria when playing well. But his attitude could be an issue and his wages certainly will be. Apparently he’s on around 200k a week so I don’t really see how we accommodate that without ruining our wage structure. Unless he’s prepared t take a massive hit which seems unlikely.

Sangare will probably expect a quarter of that so may be a more prudent option in terms of balancing the books.

Zakaria is excellent but would be expensive. Allan is a no-go for me, looks like his powers are beginning to wane a little but would still cost premium. Would rather get players on the way up than down unless a loan is possible.

Robert Tressell
17 Posted 16/05/2020 at 11:53:22
Andrew - Ancelotti may well go for 4-4-2 (double 6) – in which case, Gbamin and Gomes are probably a decent pairing (one athletic and one good passer from deep) and maybe we don't need Rabiot. However, we would need to upgrade Bernard or Iwobi (maybe both) because, while both are pretty good, they just don't offer enough end product. Coutinho style / calibre players are required.

Personally, I think 4-3-3 offers a more robust set-up for the Premier League and it's easier to find players to make it work (box-to-box centre-mid and goalscoring right-winger).

And I also think clubs like Liverpool will find it much harder to overpower us with 3 big, quality units in midfield. But I'm also confident that Ancelotti knows a lot more than I do.

Kevin Prytherch
18 Posted 16/05/2020 at 12:06:49
If Ancelotti persists with 4-4-2 then I don't think we'll see a centre-midfielder until at least one of Schneiderlin or Sigurdsson are shifted. We currently have Gomes, Gbamin, Delph, Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson, each on around £100k per week, and Tom Davies as well.

Personally, I would like to see Schneiderlin and Sigurdsson shipped out (if we can find any takers), Davies out on loan for a year, and another midfielder brought in. That will leave us with 4 fighting for 2 spots which is ideal. Then Davies can come back and replace Delph in the squad for 2021-22 season.

Carl Manning
19 Posted 16/05/2020 at 13:32:38
My only concern is 24 games and not a single assist or goal for a Juve team that dominates practically every game they play. We're already fully stocked of midfielders who don't score.
Carl Manning
20 Posted 16/05/2020 at 13:37:30
I was meant to add, if Juve are looking to offload midfielders, I think Aaron Ramsey would be well worth a go. He will score and create and would also hit the ground running.
Gavin Johnson
21 Posted 16/05/2020 at 13:46:43
A very good player but a trouble maker. Is he worth the risk?!
Robert Tressell
22 Posted 16/05/2020 at 14:59:47
With Rabiot, I get the sense that he's always been used as the defensive screen at PSG and Juve because there are more glamorous players ahead of the queue in attacking positions. Hence few goals. However, when he is let off the leash he's impressive.

A bit like Yaya Toure - at Barca he was used as a defensive midfielder and even centre half. At Man City they let him use his athleticism and ability as a box to box player. Not saying Rabiot will be as good as Toure (an absolute beast) but I do think he can chip in with goals with Gomes pulling the strings and Gbamin doing the defensive work.

As for Ramsey, its a question of motivation. Really good player but I can't see him providing the sort of dynamism we need.

Clive Rogers
23 Posted 17/05/2020 at 10:11:09
It is beginning to sound like it will be quite a while before football crowds are allowed back, with the end of next year being quoted. This and the impact on TV money will plunge a lot of clubs into financial problems.

I suspect a lot of these rumoured signings simply won't happen due to the financial commitments involved. That won't stop all the rumours though.

Tony Everan
24 Posted 17/05/2020 at 11:33:54
I believe that too, Clive. TV money will be reduced; gate money will be non-existent or reduced for 6 months, possibly until the 21-22 season; commercial income will drop too.

I think we are entering a different era with lower wage contracts and lower fees being more the norm as a point of necessity.

Clubs will need to cut their coats according to their cloth or go bust.

Clive Rogers
25 Posted 17/05/2020 at 18:17:02
Yes Tony, it’s just not the same without the atmosphere of the crowd. I think the only live games I’ll watch will be the Everton ones till the crowds return.
Rob Young
26 Posted 17/05/2020 at 23:17:35
This Rabiot went on strike at PSG and now wants out at Juventus after one season? And by the sound of it, Juventus are very happy to let him go as well.

This one sounds like nothing but trouble.

Robert Tressell
27 Posted 18/05/2020 at 16:46:50
Rob his mum and agent is a menace but the issue at PSG was a bit like Ashley Cole at Arsenal I think - he was a high performing youth product who kept getting overlooked (including on pay) in favour of glamour signings. In the end he took his bat and ball home. Not very professional but not necessarily a complete knobhead. PSG has a strange approach to youth products having let almost a whole teams worth of excellent players go - areola, zagadou, nsoki, nkunku, ikone and edouard at Celtic. At the same time they spend a fortune on arguably inferior superstar replacements with a shorter shelf life. So maybe cannot judge too much.
David Thomas
28 Posted 18/05/2020 at 17:39:24
I would stay clear of this one.

On his day very talented. However, I’d put money on him turning up when he wants to like Ozil and as soon as he has a few decent games his mum will be touting him round every champions league club who will listen.

Kevin Dyer
29 Posted 19/05/2020 at 00:46:08
I'd take him in a heartbeat if his wages are not an issue. Complete midfielder, still getting plenty of games in a ridiculously overstuffed Juve team, which shows his quality. Ramsey, for example, isn't. Seems he's unhappy with his role, rather than being shut out. I think his character issues are overstated also.

He's been providing financial support for his disabled father since he signed his first contact at PSG. His mother is pretty fierce but likely a lot of the negativity around her is misogyny.

I think he'd walk into our team as our best centre midfielder by a mile and would blossom by being the ticking heartbeat of the team. I'd happily take Ramsey also if he's available.

David Thomas
30 Posted 19/05/2020 at 19:28:34

Hasn't Ramsey played a similar amount of games this season and scored more goals?

Someone mentioned before he hasn't had an assist or goal all season.

He's a good player on his day and, when he wants to play would comfortably be our best midfielder, but I have serious reservations that he would turn up consistently for us.

Robert Tressell
31 Posted 19/05/2020 at 19:39:09
Ramsey, now 29, got 3 goals and 1 assist in 15 games. Pretty good going. Still prefer Rabiot.
David Thomas
32 Posted 19/05/2020 at 19:45:31

I'm sure everyone would want a fully committed Rabiot at Goodison... But are we going to end up with the player consistently performing to a high level (which people have probably seen on small YouTube clips)?

Or are we going to get a player on massive wages who turns up when he feels like it and walks off as soon as a better offer comes along???

Terry White
33 Posted 19/05/2020 at 20:12:42
A rhetorical question (Robert, #32) – at least I think you have posed a question as there is no question mark. Do you know the answer? I doubt that anyone knows the answer to any "question" raised about a player's future performance. So, why bother?
David Thomas
34 Posted 19/05/2020 at 20:43:35

Well, I certainly hope Brands and Ancelotti are asking questions about the players' future performances before they decide who to keep and who to buy.

I'd like to think that, if we are going after Rabiot, that they are questioning what happened at PSG, and why he's unsettled at Juventus allegedly, and how much of an influence his mum / agent has on proceedings – before potentially offering him massive wages and a long-term contract.

Brian Williams
35 Posted 19/05/2020 at 21:26:12
How can you ask a question about future performances? 🤯
David Thomas
36 Posted 19/05/2020 at 22:05:07
Quite easily, Brian.

Do they think a player is going to be able to adapt to a specific type of system? Or will his performances be affected because he's not used to that system?

Has a player got history of starting off well and then trailing off, as they see progress that will give them an idea of what his performances might be like long-term?

Is a player more effective just in home matches and not away matches?

Has the player had injury problems that will affect his future performances? For example, Seamus Coleman after his injury... The question would have been asked: "Do they think his future performances will match his pre-injury performances?" etc.

David Thomas
37 Posted 19/05/2020 at 22:08:19
Or we could just go down the route of looking on YouTube, watching a few 30-second clips of players, and buy them based on that. That would be a lot easier and a lot less riskier.
Robert Tressell
38 Posted 19/05/2020 at 22:10:36
There are risks with every transfer. Rabiot, should we ever sign him, may stink the place out. That will largely be a question of motivation because he's not short of ability and has the physical attributes to play in the Premier League.

Fortunately we have an excellent man-manager who has worked with Rabiot before and can offer him consistent first-team football. So that bodes well. But still no guarantees.

If he does bomb, he will be young enough still to command a decent fee and there will be takers. If, however, it works out, then we'd have a Champions League quality midfielder under contract and in his prime helping us towards the goal of top 4. Maybe not that big a risk, therefore.

David Thomas
39 Posted 19/05/2020 at 23:14:24

I agree, every transfer has an element of risk, some more than others.

It's not always that simple about just moving them on, as we've found to our cost over the last few years. Obviously we aren't currently trying to offload any players of Rabiot's ability but we would have takers for our players if they weren't on stupid wages.

Rabiot wouldn't come to us in a million years unless we offered him astronomical wages. Everything I've read about him would suggest fantastic ability but can be somewhat of a disruptive influence and his advisors can be disruptive. If he does come and bomb, there will only be a few teams in world football who could pay the wages we would have to give him to come to us, so it wouldn't be as easy as just get shut of him.

Whoever Ancelotti goes after, I'm sure we will all get behind and support but sometimes, just because some fans think he looks good on YouTube, that is not always the best reason for a club to go and get someone with a chequered past, and on 100's of thousands of pounds a week.

Tony Everan
40 Posted 20/05/2020 at 09:26:56
Midfielder rumours are coming thick and fast today, most of whom I know little. Maybe some truth in the Italian players, Carlo and his team will be well informed on their suitability. Any insights?

Wendel, Sporting

Pellegrini, Roma

Gaetano Castrovilli, Fiorentina

Matt Longstaff, Barcodes

Robert Tressell
41 Posted 20/05/2020 at 09:42:26
Pellegrini certainly had excellent assist stats last season. That would be welcome. Not sure how physical he is – I personally like a midfield with the threat of violence about it. Wendel seems to be one of about a million quite good Brazilian midfielders around Europe. But hard to tell whether he's actually any better than Delph and Davies given the standard he's playing at.

Castrovelli is more of a dribbler - closer to Iwobi than a true centre mid player. Looks good but not really what we're missing.

For stats nerds like myself, Suat Serdar of Schalke has about the best goals and assists record from centre mid (counting only those in quality leagues – and ignoring superstars like De Bruyne). 23, good physique for the Premier League. Might be an option.

Tony Everan
42 Posted 20/05/2020 at 11:28:54
Robert. Totally agree about the ‘threat of violence ‘ comment. We need players with that edge and ultimate will to win. Players who take every refs decision, tackle or misplaced pass personally a Roy Keane type.

I love Bruno Fernandes's desire, energy and mobility. He has a threat about him and some goals too. I am hoping the midfielder we find can bring the same to the table.

Simon Dalzell
43 Posted 20/05/2020 at 21:19:30
I just take it with a large pinch of salt, a fair degree of scepticism, and plenty weariness.

This would be a fantastic signing... but we get linked continuously with stacks of quality players like this, and end up with no-one. It has become very boring and predictable.

I'm done with getting my hopes up, and being disappointed time and time again.

Ian Bennett
44 Posted 23/05/2020 at 09:15:36
Everton are linked with Lallana on a free. Thoughts?
Derek Thomas
45 Posted 23/05/2020 at 09:48:19
Ian @ 44; A past his debatable at best, bit part player in a decent team. Cleverley Mk II, swerve. NO.
Tony Everan
46 Posted 23/05/2020 at 10:32:26
No, we are not in the market for 32 yr old ex redshite B team players, who are injury prone and who are looking for some sucker to give them one last fat contract.
Sam Hoare
47 Posted 23/05/2020 at 11:47:01
Lallana is a lot better than Cleverley! I would definitely have taken him a few years ago but not now.

Going to be a very curious summer window. How on earth do clubs work out their budgets without knowing when fans (a lot of their revenue) will be allowed back or what effect it will have on TV contracts (vast majority of their revenue!)

Tony Everan
48 Posted 23/05/2020 at 20:26:26
Yes Sam, it will be a different transfer window, spending with gay abandon will be reckless with all the uncertainty. There will be the usual rumour factory but on the whole I don’t think there will be anywhere near the normal transfer activity.

I think there maybe an upsurge in swap deals which suit both the clubs and players, with some negotiated financial adjustment. So a club can get a new player without a potentially damaging outlay.

Jay Harris
49 Posted 23/05/2020 at 20:45:36
Oh for a modern day Peter Reid, Paul Bracewell or Joe Parkinson or even "mad dog" Gravesen or Lee Carsley. Any of them would put our current midfield players to shame.

Just shows how far our standards have fallen.

At least in Carlo we have someone we can trust to get the right calibre in.

John McFarlane Snr
50 Posted 23/05/2020 at 21:05:48
Hi again Jay [49],

Now that I know your age, I won't dwell on the heroics or the vim and vigour, displayed by the likes of Peter Farrell, Jackie Grant, and Dave Hickson. Once again, apologies for my carelessness and lack of concentration.

Tony Abrahams
51 Posted 23/05/2020 at 21:10:05
I think he's a horrible moaning little fucker, but do you think Liverpool's kids would have beat Everton if Lallana hadn't been on the pitch? He danced around our midfield players like they were not there. If Ancellotti is only going to play four across the midfield, then I'm not sure Lallana has the physical capabilities required to play in such a demanding position.
Jay Harris
52 Posted 23/05/2020 at 21:46:20
Sir John, No apologies necessary.

I know you're a gentleman blue and have the utmost respect for you.

I did see a bit of Dave Hickson when my Dad, Uncle and grandad (all sadly gone now) used to sit me on the railings in Goodison Road. What a role model he would be for the modern bling bling brigade.

Mike Gaynes
53 Posted 23/05/2020 at 22:14:30
Robert #41, I shared your positive opinion of Serdar until I saw him last week against Dortmund. He was flat as a pancake after the layoff.

I'm a bit skeptical of Rabiot, but Carlo knows him well, and if he wants him, that's good enough for me.

I'd reluctantly pass on Lallana, not because he's RS but because he's lost a step and all connection with the net -- one goal in his last 50 games. Just a smaller version of Siggy at this point.

Andrew Keatley
54 Posted 24/05/2020 at 00:38:32
I’d take Lallana on a free in a heartbeat, provided the medical side checks out. Lifelong Everton fan, excellent feet, fantastic football brain, runs all day, bags of experience. Easy to dismiss a player based on previous club and recent injury history, but considering his game has never been based on pace or power I should think he’ll be able to offer an astute Premier League club another 3-4 years of quality service.
Mike Gaynes
55 Posted 24/05/2020 at 00:42:54
Andrew, certainly Arsenal and Leicester seem to agree with your assessment.
Jay Harris
56 Posted 24/05/2020 at 04:13:52
Andrew the problem with a free these days is the player wants a big signing on fee or very high wages or both.

Lallana is over 30 has spent a lot of the last couple of years in the treatment room.

Okay, the lad has some talent but I'm sure Sigurdsson outpoints him on goalscoring and assists per game.

It's a definite NO for me – and that's before I even think he's a Red Shite.

Alan J Thompson
57 Posted 24/05/2020 at 06:31:35
Apart from the player named in the title, there are about half a dozen others named in this thread while we must have 8-10 midfielders already on the books in Delph, Davies, Gomes, Gbamin, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Bernard and do we include also Iwobi, Walcott, Dowell and Baningime.

Is that the sound of the Merry-Go-Round starting up? Thank heavens there aren't too many youngsters coming through this year.

Steve Shave
58 Posted 24/05/2020 at 07:30:20
Now I love a transfer rumour, especially when it involves high profile names such a Rabiot. The truth is, though, that we really have no idea what is going to be available from the club in terms of money.

Based on the possibility of us not having a lot to spend, I wonder if instead of us getting too excited about Rabiot that we might have to settle for lower profile players like Ryan Fraser on a free, a knock-down fee on Hojberg (in the last year of his contract) – that kind of deal?

A Kean swap deal? Just a thought.

As I said, I love the speculation but we really have no idea of the financial landscape for our club. That potentially complicates things for Carlo who I am sure was promised big signings when he joined us.

Robert Tressell
59 Posted 24/05/2020 at 10:03:09
Basically, anyone with some pace, some end product and some leadership. Lallana is a good, tidy player - and certainly managed to take the piss out of our cowardly midfield in that horrible cup game - but we need better than that.
Carl Manning
60 Posted 24/05/2020 at 12:00:05
If a player is better than what we already have, he has to be an option. That therefore, to me, means Lallana should be an option. He's a very clever player, sees a pass, and keeps the ball.
Clive Rogers
61 Posted 24/05/2020 at 12:11:11
There's a report today that Brands has had to alter his plans. Due to the current situation, big transfers are not going to happen, and they will concentrate more on loans and swaps.

All very predictable, a great deal of money has disappeared from the game.

Michael Kenrick
62 Posted 24/05/2020 at 16:28:59
I've been wondering when the other shoe would finally drop for these frankly idiotic transfer rumours.

But will this sharp injection of reality make any difference to the daily ration of clickbait served up by the profusion of sites perpetulating this stuff?

Thought not. Rant over.

Mike Gaynes
63 Posted 24/05/2020 at 17:28:00
Michael, clickbait writers need to make a living too. By reading their garbage, we're indirectly supporting the economy.

That's what I'm telling myself, anyway.

Si Pulford
64 Posted 24/05/2020 at 18:08:36
Everyone talking about Gbamin? Granted he didn't play much but he looked woeful when he did. I think he will he potentially used as a centre-back at some point.
Brian Harrison
65 Posted 24/05/2020 at 18:33:42
Everyday I seem to read that we are interested in yet another player. Then another article suggests loans and swap deals will be the order of the day when the window opens.
Eric Myles
66 Posted 31/05/2020 at 03:47:17
Juventus have reportedly offered Rabiot to Man Utd as part of a swap deal for Pogba, with United being open to the idea.

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