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Nice in the frame for Schneiderlin

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Updated Morgan Schneiderlin is once again being talked about in terms of a return to France, with Nice reportedly set to sign him.

The 30-year-old will enter the last year of his contract at Goodison Park when next season kicks off so Everton are open to cash offers while they can still get a transfer fee for him.

Schneiderlin is currently recovering from knee surgery but MailSport claim the club have not ruled out the possibility that he might return to action before the end of interrupted 2019-20 campaign.

Their report said that Everton are "waiting" on a firm offer from Nice and are hoping to get around £7m for the player they signed from Manchester United under former boss Ronald Koeman.

However, according to Nice-Matin, the two clubs have agreed a €2m fee for Schneiderlin with extra bonuses, with the player set to undergo a medical next week.

Original Source: MailSport  


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Minik Hansen
1 Posted 12/06/2020 at 14:47:09
Please God, let this happen.
Tony Everan
2 Posted 12/06/2020 at 14:50:07
If we can get £7M and get him off the wage bill it is acceptable.

It gives us more leeway for creating a new younger, stronger and dynamic central midfield. The club is crying out for it.

Sam Hoare
3 Posted 12/06/2020 at 15:03:58
Great news if true. Get his large wages (£100k p/w) off the books and a decent fee too.

I'd be happy enough to do the same with Walcott and Sigurdsson if there was interest. Both on £100k. As is Pickford who I would not be sad to leave.

Very interested to see who Brands brings in this summer. Last year he did not nail it by any measure and we are getting closer to a squad that is filled mainly with his players. The truth is that it may be another 2-3 years before that overhaul is near complete and the new players have settled.

Charles Brewer
4 Posted 12/06/2020 at 15:59:13
I think there's a typo in the last paragraph. Surely it should read: "The report says that Everton are "waiting" on a firm offer. Nice are hoping to get around £7m for the player."
Dan Nulty
5 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:02:28
Make it happen.
Ian Bennett
6 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:02:43
Unlikely to move him permanently – it'll be a loan at best with us paying part of his wages still.

£7M? Unlikely to be that lucky despite spending £20-24M on a transfer fee and £15M in wages. What a bargain ☹.

Gaute Lie
7 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:29:08
Not a contributor on the field. No future with Everton.

And I'm being nice now.

Darren Hind
8 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:32:02
When we talk about our worst ever signings, this fella is going to be on a lot of people's short-list.

He wasn't just good at Southampton. He was very, very good. What on earth happened? I've heard lots of theories, but I've yet to hear a convincing explanation.

Gavin Johnson
9 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:48:02
Schneiderlin is the epitome of Steve Walsh's tenure. Overpriced, average and rarely delivered. It's hard to believe he was once one of the most coveted midfielders in the Premier League.

If we manage to rob a club of £7m and also lose Bolasie, Sandro and Besic we will be moving in the right direction. If Sigurdsson and Tom Davies joins them it will be a great transfer window.

Tony Abrahams
10 Posted 12/06/2020 at 16:57:02
It’s obvious he just stopped doing the things he was good at, never looked interested and went backwards, cheating himself, the fans and the club in the process.
Mike Gaynes
11 Posted 12/06/2020 at 17:17:42
All I know is that he was our best player for the entire spring of 2017, and sometime over that summer he turned into the turd we have watched ever since.

He did get married that summer.

Of course, that had nothing to do with it.

Nothing.

Martin Mason
12 Posted 12/06/2020 at 17:32:02
If they start a collection, I'll help collect and will put money in. I'll drive up from Horsham to pick him up and drive him to Nice. If a fee can't be agreed, then please waive the fee.
Michael Burke
13 Posted 12/06/2020 at 18:18:43
Please make this happen. He was some player at the Saints. Two clubs paid big money in succession for him and he delivered at neither. Something must be going on behind the scenes affecting him that we don't know about.
Robert Tressell
14 Posted 12/06/2020 at 18:20:17
Morgan isn't terrible. He's just terrible when lined up in a completely dysfunctional midfield. None of the component parts are bad per se, they just don't work together. Like trying to make a fruit salad with a lemon, a lime and a grapefruit. Mind you, he's now lost a lot of motivation and if we can get £7m then it's a great deal.

As an aside, when does the transfer window open? Anyone know?

Robert Tressell
15 Posted 12/06/2020 at 18:24:13
Michael @13,

I wrote my comment before seeing yours. My theory is that he's an average player made to look good by the excellence of Pochettino. He was plying his trade in the lower leagues without standing out – got promotions with (?) Nigel Adkins but looked no great shakes until Pochettino came along. Once the spell wears off, it's all, like Eric Dier, downhill.

Gavin Johnson
16 Posted 12/06/2020 at 18:26:29
Mike #11, you're absolutely right. He was one of the best players in the team from signing in the February until the end of the season. My nephew even had his name on the back of his replica shirt. I don't think he wears it much now lol. I bet the club shop has sold little, or no, Schneiderlin shirts in a very long time.
Sean Callaghan
17 Posted 12/06/2020 at 18:50:06
I wish I was more tech-savvy so I could insert a video of that jazz bloke from the Fast Show turning to the camera saying "Nice".
Harry Wallace
18 Posted 12/06/2020 at 19:01:01
£7M is great business. Let's be honest, he isn't popular at the club and a return to France after his partner has given birth is a good move.
Bill Gienapp
19 Posted 12/06/2020 at 19:41:51
Gavin (16) - I seriously thought about buying a Schneiderlin shirt going into that next season. I'm glad that I didn't, LOL.
Martin Berry
20 Posted 12/06/2020 at 20:22:36
I can see this happening.
David Milner
21 Posted 12/06/2020 at 20:55:13
Read Everton (weblog) says bid of €2M plus bonuses has been accepted.
Sam Hoare
22 Posted 12/06/2020 at 20:55:38
Apparently the fee may be nearer to £2M! Sounds about right.
Jack Convery
23 Posted 12/06/2020 at 20:59:10
Sean (17), me too. I shall be mostly spending the day keeping my fingers crossed.
Conor McCourt
24 Posted 12/06/2020 at 20:59:12
My opinion on Schneiderlin was that he was always slightly held in too high esteem. At Southampton I felt his partnership with Wanyama was excellent and they had great chemistry and were a match for anybody. Both were athletic, strong, driven and both box to box so if one went the other would sit. I felt Morgan was the slightly better offensively and Victor the better defensively. Together they were quite formidable.

To my eyes Morgan's dynamism was his forte and aside from this he was a bit of a jack of all trades and decent at everything without being a master of anything in particular. I believe he had a couple of injuries in the last year at the Saints and never looked the same athletic imposing figure again. I believe It was then when he lost what was his money spinner. I don't think he had the all round game to compensate or re-invent once his legs had gone. For example Keane a similar type of player could rely on his unique willpower, his excellent reading of the game and his inability to give the ball away to reinvent as a sitter once he lost his athleticism.

On the gossip I just can't see Nice affording him. Unfortunately the teams that could won't want him and there would be many admirers in his homeland but he's way out of their budget.

David it's the wages I would be worried about.

Robert Tressell
25 Posted 12/06/2020 at 21:28:15
Haven't Nice been acquired by a British chap with lots of dosh? Expect they do have the money – especially at £2m. Funnily enough, it may well be to France that we look for his (and Gueye's, and Gbamin's) replacement. Sangare, Diallo, Santamaria have already been linked at modest prices and with lower wages than Morgan's £100k pw.
Pat Kelly
26 Posted 12/06/2020 at 21:37:21
One of those players who can improve a Club by leaving it. We seem to collect them.
Gavin Johnson
27 Posted 12/06/2020 at 21:54:26
Fabian Delph is the new Morgan Schneiderlin!
Mike Gaynes
28 Posted 12/06/2020 at 22:56:12
Gavin #16, my condolences to your nephew. Tell him to keep the shirt as a curiosity, if his mother doesn't want to use it as a dust rag.

Only worse shirt I've ever seen was on a portly fellow at the Everton vs Juventus game in San Francisco years ago. He was wearing a Magaye Gueye #19 jersey. I resisted telling him it wouldn't age well. In fact, it wouldn't age at all.

But Gavin, I would disagree slightly on Delph being the new Schneiderlin. Delph at least gives his all when he's on the pitch. You can criticize him for a lot, but laziness isn't among them. As for Morgan... oy vey.

Robert Tressell
29 Posted 12/06/2020 at 23:17:13
Are you sure the portly fellow wasn't the actual Magaye Gueye?
David Currie
30 Posted 13/06/2020 at 00:06:10
I would be shocked if any club spends £7 million on him.
Steve Brown
31 Posted 13/06/2020 at 03:59:06
Surely there is a BOGOT offer we can put to Nice on this one? The options are endless.
Steve Brown
32 Posted 13/06/2020 at 04:03:37
Mike @ 11, and Sigurdsson got married in June 2019, shortly before he also transformed into a turd. Think you are on to something.
Ajay Gopal
33 Posted 13/06/2020 at 04:53:59
Mike (28), if the guy had any sense, he would erase the 'Magaye' and look respectable wearing that shirt. :-)
Darren Hind
34 Posted 13/06/2020 at 07:09:04
Mike

I've just had a look at his Mrs... Wow.

I've changed me mind. I'm giving him a pass.

Bobby Thomas
35 Posted 13/06/2020 at 08:42:38
A fee of £7 million may have been realistic before the virus and if it was a Premier League team bidding. Not now though. We just need to be realistic, take the fee, and hope the deal doesn't collapse on wages.

As for his form and commitment, when he first joined he was very good for a spell in a particular system. Life changes, he got married and his father also passed away. Maybe he just doesn't care as much as he used to? I'm not saying that's right, or that's definitely the reason for the cliff edge drop, but it happens. Not all players are football obsessed. To some, it's the be-all and end-all. To others just a job. Some don't even like it. Take Duncan Ferguson. Very flippant about his trade during his career. He had to leave the game to realise how much he missed it.

Like quite a few Walsh era signings (in total we will take an eye-watering loss on Bolasie, Williams, Sigurdsson, and Walcott), Schneiderlin was signed at an age when he wasn't going to improve and is now on the downside. Mentally and physically he is virtually done as a top-flight player. Like all our central midfielders, he is immobile, weak and lacks athleticism. The spine of the team is poor.

It just needs ending and I hope he is sensible about wages. You've made your money chief. Time to go.

Colin Glassar
36 Posted 13/06/2020 at 09:16:20
It would be nice if Nice took him for a nice fee but Nice isn't a wealthy club. If he does go it will be a case of, "Nice to see you, to see you, nice/Nice?"
Steve Shave
37 Posted 13/06/2020 at 09:17:15
A very measured post, Bobby. Morgan needs to leave, it hasn't worked out for whatever reason and we all know if your relationship with the fans suffers at Everton, your number is up.

We don't know what demons he might be battling but we MUST get those wages off the books. If we could sell Besic and Sigurdsson too, then we have a chance to sort this hugely problematic area out in the team.

Tony Everan
38 Posted 13/06/2020 at 09:33:43
''According to Nice Matin, Ligue 1 side OGC Nice have agreed a £1.8 million plus bonuses fee with Everton for the signature of midfielder Morgan Schneiderlin ahead of the summer transfer window.The Frenchman is set to undergo a medical next week and finally leave Goodison Park after struggling to impress in recent campaigns.''

Hopefully that giveaway fee means he goes without a pay off. Still, it is good news as we need to regenerate our central midfield as the absolute no1 priority, this is part of that process. I can see Hojbjerg and possibly Allan being signed to add some solidity and toughness.

Joe McMahon
39 Posted 13/06/2020 at 09:34:50
They won't be able to afford anywhere near his crazy salary.

I still can't believe when Rooney came back he was on £70k a week more than Salah who bagged 30+ goals that season.

Dave Abrahams
40 Posted 13/06/2020 at 10:16:21
Bobby (35), I understand your views on Schneiderlin. Nevertheless, he might have lost his desire to play football but not his desire to hang on for his huge wages. A huge phoney to me. You might say “That's life” or you might not, but, to my way of thinking, and acting, it stinks and doesn't say much for the Frenchman.
Conor McCourt
41 Posted 13/06/2020 at 10:34:32
Bobby, I think we can all agree he is a player who has fallen out of love with the game and, certainly over the last few seasons in particular, his effort to the cause was almost criminal.

But I must admit to having a little sympathy with Morgan in terms of going from hero to zero. In my opinion, it was our fault for purchasing this player. For me, he is totally unsuited to the role he has primarily been deployed at Everton and he has been slightly better under Carlo when given more freedom in a two-man midfield but yet doesn't have the energy to be effective there either anymore. He almost needs to be perfect just to have a good game.

At Southampton, I believe he was suited to the system with Wanyama a perfect partner. Morgan was slightly more talented, a decent passer, great energy, great stature, could glide past midfielders, could arrive late and was decent in the air and on the deck. I always thought Victor was the more aggressive, read the game much better and was excellent at protecting the back four.

Some players like Fabregas when they lost their legs still had that quality and killer pass that meant they could still be of value to the team. I feel Morgan couldn't be effective at his position once he lost his athleticism and what seemed like the obvious role for someone with his experience who had lost their energy was even more illogical because of his poor reading, poor tackling and defensive susceptibility. The fact he lost his pace meant he is even more of a liability as the defensive shield and there are no positives at all to him playing there.

Tony Abrahams
42 Posted 13/06/2020 at 10:39:43
Seven million when you take his wages into account, but a midfield player, totally opposite from the man who's hopefully about to sign him, not that this matters, but I'm just wondering what the all-action Vierra actually sees in his compatriot.
Brian Harrison
43 Posted 13/06/2020 at 11:03:34
I would hope now that we have a world class manager we let him decide which players he wants, rather than Brands, whose record as DOF has been very much hit and miss. Now I realize the job of manager/coach has changed but even if he doesnt actually do the deals, it should be his choice of players to buy for the first team, then the DOF should look at youth development players.

I really don't see the point of a DOF identifying players, the manager knows who he wants and the style he wants to play, so let him pick the players to sign. Save a few bob and get rid of the role of DOF and along with the deadwood that he and his predecessor brought to the club.

Alan J Thompson
44 Posted 13/06/2020 at 11:18:27
I suppose at times a gamble is taken with a player who has won nothing and then moved to a club that rarely played him and especially if you now have the manager under whom he played well. However, this one didn't work and more so at the premium price paid.

Now, take what you can get and move on and then try the same again with the many we seem to have accrued who seem also to fit that description but above all, learn from it.

Is that not why we have a DoF who won't be changed based on League position as often as a Coach/Manager, or is he just the person who brokers the deal?

Martin Nicholls
45 Posted 13/06/2020 at 11:20:50
On the subject of wages, maybe Schneiderlin is content to give up one year on £100k pw but no certainty after that for a 4- or 5-year deal on maybe £40/50k pw. With the added bonus of moving back to a very pleasant area of his homeland?
Sean Kelly
46 Posted 13/06/2020 at 11:58:31
Get rid. He couldn't be arsed for the last few seasons. Unprofessional in my opinion. He, like all professionals, have to work on their talent constantly. He saw £100k per week handy money aided by previous duff managers and was content to sit on a bench. Get rid and see if anyone wants Walcott and Sigurdsson as well.

It's time we stopped being a retirement home for crocks and failures.

Tony Twist
47 Posted 13/06/2020 at 13:15:33
This is typical Everton: they may have had so call experts like Walsh and Brands but they still buy players that have a reputation. Schneiderlin rebelled at Man Utd and trained on his own eventually. Delph and Walcott only have to look at a football and feel a twinge! Mina is similar also.

Recruitment is the most important thing at this club and I still think we are failing. Where is the youth midfield powerhouse of a player that we should be nurturing to bring in with moments like this?

Alan McGuffog
48 Posted 13/06/2020 at 13:50:42
Did The Catt ever buy any out and out duffers?

Jimmy Hill wasn't up to much and we got shut. Did he buy Henry Newton?

Wracking my brains here ... Belfitt?

Whatever, he didn't need a highly paid Director of Football to help him find skivers and deadbeats.

Martin Nicholls
49 Posted 13/06/2020 at 14:00:32
Alan #48 – Bernie Wright!!!
Dennis Stevens
50 Posted 13/06/2020 at 14:15:36
Alan #49, I think Catterick's transfers, up to & including Alan Ball, were generally pretty good, but afterwards not so much.
Alan McGuffog
51 Posted 13/06/2020 at 14:40:00
Martin and Dennis... agreed. Variety of factors, his own poor health and the way the team imploded following that bloody week in 1971 lead to a few dodgy decisions in the market.

Bernie the Bolt probably was his worst decision. But, as I said... they were his mistakes to make. He didn't have a cabal of experts "helping" him.

Dave Abrahams
52 Posted 13/06/2020 at 15:24:19
Alan (49). Regarding Jimmy Hill, Northern Ireland international, I didn't know or realise it at the time but, in a biography released last year, it states that Harry bought Jimmy Hill to mostly play in the reserves and help bring the young lads just starting in the game and show them the ropes. So a bit of foresight there by Harry.
Dave Abrahams
53 Posted 13/06/2020 at 15:30:39
Martin (50),

On another Everton fansite during the week someone had written about Bernie “He turned up signing for Everton in a donkey jacket.”

Another fan replied “Yes it was the wrong sort of jacket, it should have been a straight jacket.”

Jamie Crowley
54 Posted 13/06/2020 at 16:29:23
When I first read this I honestly thought, "Well, he always seemed to be a nice guy? Why are we framing this man in an article that presupposes he wasn't kind previously and has changed his ways? WTF?"

Ya. Did that.

Come and get him NEESE.

Jeff Armstrong
55 Posted 13/06/2020 at 16:49:24
If ever a jacket summed up a player, then Bernie Wright wore the right one on the day he signed, bit of subliminal self-depreciation from Bernie there!

I believe Catterick did sign Belfitt, from Ipswich I think, and Newton from Forest too, I think he was also responsible for Mick Bernard from Stoke!

Mike Gaynes
56 Posted 13/06/2020 at 16:51:12
Darren #34, definitely. And I think that was part of the problem, if you know what I mean. Tired legs and all that.

Steve #32, I didn't know that! It does support the premise, doesn't it?

And as a third example, my own game has gone steadily downhill since I got married 13 years ago. (Of course, I was 50.)

Tom Bowers
57 Posted 13/06/2020 at 17:10:42
Established players who are no longer regular starters are always a risky acquisition especially when they are highly paid still.

Everton have certainly brought in their share over the last few years and most of those players have basically proved they are not up to snuff anymore and in a word they are ''stale''

Everton need young, strong go-getters who want to win things and I think (and hope) Carlo will be the man to get this done.

Christy Ring
58 Posted 13/06/2020 at 18:28:48
We probably have the weakest midfield in the Premier League, and I still can't understand why we let our best midfielder, Gueye, leave. He was still on a long-term contract, no interest in the sentimental crap, letting him go to PSG.

We bought Gbamin for a bigger fee, look how that worked out, he was injury prone at Mainz, as was Delph at Man City. If we could offload Schneiderlin, Delph and Sigurdsson this summer, who are all on massive wages, and bring in a quality midfield, it would be a huge improvement.

Hopefully Ancelotti has the final say on transfers, as Brands's signings of Gbamin, Delph, Sidibé and Iwobi were a disaster.

Gavin Johnson
59 Posted 13/06/2020 at 18:44:06
Christy, I think you're on the money about Delph. I reckon he will now take the place of Schneiderlin and be in joint first place with Sigurdsson as the chief whipping boys.

I'll agree with Mike Gaynes that Delph always tries to give his best (in the few times he plays) but he's had minimal impact on games, acted like a prick after the derby, and his form is hampered by injuries... the lads made of Lego. He's a waste of money and wages. The sooner he goes, the better.

I'm not sure you're right about Gbamin. He'd had no significant injuries before coming to Everton, so it's a bit unfair to pin that one on Brands.

Sam Hoare
60 Posted 13/06/2020 at 21:14:00
A few of our signings I have been dubious of from the start either for their talent (or lack of) or it being bad business. Players like Rooney and Keane in the former category and Bolasie and Sigurdsson in the latter.

I was happy to sign Schneiderlin. He was a good age at 26 and he had been decent in his one full season at Man Utd whilst having been outstanding at Southampton (one of the best centre-midfielders in the league over that 3-year period, certainly outside the top 4).

He could tackle, he could pass, he even scored 3 or 4 goals a year for the Saints. He'd lost his way at Man Utd but his best years were ahead of him and at his best he was a terrific player. £22m was maybe a touch steep but we badly needed a strong centre (sound familiar) and he really looked like he could be that. And he was for half a season.

And then? Don't know if it was motivation? Fitness? His wife? The Everton curse. I had such high hopes for him and he ended up becoming one of my most disliked players of the modern Everton era. Such a shame. Such a waste. Shows how hard making the right transfers can be as he seemed an excellent fit at the time.

Justin Doone
61 Posted 14/06/2020 at 00:22:51
I hope this isn't a wind-up. Give him away and shift his salary off our books.

Schneiderlin has never been good enough for a team wanting to challenge for a top 6 place. To slow, lethargic and he seems mentally weak.

We have had worse players, but they would fight and show determination to improve. Schneiderlin hides between centre-backs or simply passes back far too often.

Don't kid yourself that when a midfielder plays more than a couple of forward passes to a teammate that makes him a good player or has had a good game.

Premier League average at best. Please please please be true.

Gavin Johnson
62 Posted 14/06/2020 at 05:13:38
A lot of people do forget he was one of our best players for the first few months of us signing him. We had Gana who replaced Kante as having the best defensive stats in the Premier League. Well, Schneiderlin was the man before Kante. That's why Man Utd spent a ton of money on him. He also chipped in with a goal every now and then.

I'll echo what Sam says: I don't think I've experienced a player for us who I rated really highly and then went onto become one of my most disliked Everton players. Although, I do think Sigurdsson could be a challenger for that dubious honour, should we not manage to offload him this summer.

Tony Abrahams
63 Posted 14/06/2020 at 07:39:53
I’d say the opposite is true of your first sentence Gavin, and it’s why so many people turned on Schneiderlin.

The fans knew he wasn’t a bad player, they’d seen him play well, so I’d say they only turned on him when they saw him hiding, which is an unforgivable act for most football fans, and also rightly so.

He had no pride in himself, and even less for the shirt, a little shrug, as if to say it wasn’t his fault, but people weren’t kidded, because they could see right through his lack of fight and application, and it antagonised them.

Derek Thomas
64 Posted 14/06/2020 at 09:49:46
Koeman publicly held the Club to ransom in the press over signing him. On his best (early) days Schneiderlin was only average... unlike his wages, which were and still are, reputedly – astronomical.

Up, sorry, down there with... well the best I could come up with was AvdM, but at least he supplied 1 cross that helped to win a Derby. What's Schneiderlin done except steal money from day one?

The football equivalent of a gallic shrug, which, for 95% of his time here, is exactly what he gave.

Will not be missed, well not by me.

Danny Broderick
65 Posted 14/06/2020 at 09:51:09
I can’t see this happening. What on earth would Vieira see in Schneiderlin? If we can spot a midfielder stealing a living, you would think one of the world’s best midfielders (in his day) would be better placed than us to spot one.

I think we’ll be stuck with him. In any case, it’s pretty damning that we bought him for £22 million and are looking to sell him for £1.8 million 3 years later...

Kenny Smith
66 Posted 14/06/2020 at 10:13:24
What a disastrous signing to say the least. Long term injuries and poor form haven't helped but he's done nothing to justify what we paid and more importantly his £100k + a week wage.

£1.8 million to get him off the wage bill sums up the club right now. Littered with expensive signings who just haven't done it or weren't capable in the first place.

We really need to learn from the last 3 or 4 seasons about our recruitment.

Jerome Shields
67 Posted 14/06/2020 at 10:18:51
Schneiderlin was a good player, but lost his way at Everton. He was repeatedly selected because he carried out the manager's instructions, though the competence of those around him and the manager was questionable. He probably became quite pissed off doing this.

He tried to replace Gueye but showed himself not to be up to it. He doesn't suit Ancelotti who wants more movement and dynamism from his team. The days of rigid structural positioning are gone at Everton and Schneiderlin sitting in front of the back four is redundant.

He has to be moved on, rather than sitting about Finch Farm moaning, even if Everton have to part pay his wages at another Club.

Brian Harrison
68 Posted 14/06/2020 at 10:53:35
I think the problem we have is because we are no longer a club that regularly competes for trophies, we can only buy players who the top clubs don't want or are discarding. The days of Everton being able to buy the very best are long gone, so we either take a chance with young players or cast offs from the top 6 clubs. The only way to reverse this process is start winning trophies which is easier said than done.

So for the foreseeable it will be signings like Neville and Howard, Schneiderlin, Walcott and Iwobi, players deemed surplus to requirements to their present top 6 clubs. Mina, Digne and Gomes rejects from Barcelona, though to be fair the Barcelona rejects look at least a class above players bought from the top 6 Premier clubs.

We don't seem to produce many youngsters who make a regular contribution to the first team.

Tony Abrahams
69 Posted 14/06/2020 at 10:59:13
I've had the same thoughts, Danny, but maybe going home after playing all these years in England might revitalise Schneiderlin? He's been a bit-part player for the last five years so should still be relatively fresh. It wouldn't surprise me if he went back to France and did okay with the Nice fans thinking they've had a steal.

This might not happen but it wouldn't surprise me because some of these modern footballers are not bothered, especially because money has made them rich beyond their wildest dreams, which is the saddest thing about it imo.

They've made you rich beyond your wildest dreams and you don't even fucking try — incredible!

Robert Tressell
70 Posted 14/06/2020 at 11:49:29
Brian @ 68. With a proper medium to long term recruitment strategy we can begin to compete. And that will definitely include cast offs. Big champions league sides with bloated squads will be trimming this summer and there will be some very talented cast offs available, some of whom are young up and coming players who cant get a game (eg Todibo). Henry and Vieira were both cast offs after all. These are exactly the sorts of players who can take us forward. Add to that some young talent from the lower leagues (like DCL and Holgate), Scotland (eg Hickey at Hearts), South America (eg Veron) and Europe (eg Fratessi) and you can phase out the likes of Walcott and phase in someone who looks like they could be top 4 quality.

What we can't do is what we, Newcastle, West Ham have tried to do in recent years - which is spending big on players who (like Sigurdsson, Yarmolenko, Joelinton etc) aren't quite top 4 quality because that's the best we can get.

Jeff Holt
71 Posted 14/06/2020 at 13:30:18
Surely we will have to pay Nice to take him?
Derek Taylor
72 Posted 14/06/2020 at 13:31:55
Yes, Robert, It's having too many players of their quality which has seen us get further and further away from the' sixish' which not that long ago was our norm.

Money to burn was always just a dream but when it became a reality it turned into fools gold - particularly on the pitch. How can a club engage so many useless managers one after another ?

James Flynn
73 Posted 14/06/2020 at 14:03:00
I read he's for a physical tomorrow, so fingers crossed. Hopefully, that pittance of a fee indicates that Nice will cover that last 5 million of his contract.

Found this from Koeman at the time of Morgan's signing:

“He’s a strong character. I worked with him for one season at Southampton and he’s a midfield player who can play in different positions in the midfield. He’s also a fast player, he’s a clever player and he’s a personality. Normally, he’s part of the French national team and at 27 years old he’s part of the future at Everton.

“Morgan is really hungry to show his qualities and to play because that is the best thing for a football player. You are born as a football player to play games, not to sit on the bench or not be part of the team. But this is a new step, it’s a new future and he will show his qualities. I am convinced of that.”

Yikes!

James Flynn
74 Posted 14/06/2020 at 14:15:38
And Bolasie is not training with Sporting Lisbon.
Danny Broderick
75 Posted 14/06/2020 at 15:47:17
Ancelotti is an old school manager, and I get the impression he wants a squad of no more than about 20 pros with home grown kids making up the rest of the Premier League squad.

Our biggest problem since Moyes left has been appointing different managers with different strategies who have all wanted to bring in more and more players, with few leaving. We’ve ended up with over 30 first team players. We’ve brought in 5 goalkeepers alone. It’s unbelievable that the likes of Sandro and Besic are still at Everton.

It’s one thing having players getting older - like Baines and Jags - and wondering whether to give them an extra year. These players are useful back up and can still contribute when required.

It’s another thing buying shit who are not good enough in the first place, and then being lumbered with them and struggling to give them away because we are paying them top dollar. Unfortunately, we’ve bought a lot of players in this bracket recently. Bolasie, Williams, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Walcott, Niasse - the list goes on.

We should not be buying players over the age of 26. We should not be paying players over £100,000 a week unless they have earnt their stripes here - like Lukaku - and shown they are worth it.

We are now on our 2nd Director of Football and we still don’t seem to have such a strategy in place. We must get back to having a small but competitive squad - fire sale required - being pushed by hungry home grown lads. We must make sure we never repeat the mistakes we have made in the transfer market in the last 7/8 years.

Tom Bowers
76 Posted 14/06/2020 at 16:07:14
Danny, I agree with what you say. Many of the underachievers at other clubs have come to Everton and carried on underachieving whilst earning top money.

The decision makers at Goodison have goofed big time over the last few seasons and it's time for some real astuteness to be used.

The rest of this season won't prove anything and will be just more of the same so we all hope that Carlo will demand a clear out of the debris during the break (if they have one).

Jerome Shields
77 Posted 14/06/2020 at 18:41:18
Brian #58,

I think what you say has been apparent for years.

What's more, when Everton hadn't the money, they sometimes got players worth the money, as long as Kenwright wasn't dealing with Man Utd. When they have the money they get the next step up the mercenary rip off merchants.

If Everton are not competing in the top four of winning Cups, they never will be a good career move for a top professional player who actually would be part of a team that would actually win something. The other thing is that a good player knows a good team. He has to if he wants to win anything. They would smell a rat real quick.

Brands took a new approach to try to break this barrier by taking a chance on injury-prone players and the success of that has been questionable.

You could take your theory a step further in what the management team have had is not of the standard to achieve a winning team, and even prone to rip off, being rip off merchants themselves.

In the case of Ancelotti, he is the first-time that a manager of the required calibre has been appointed, but he is in the position of getting his corresponding wages, whatever the outcome, not taking bonuses into account. It will be interesting to see what players are prepared to join Everton under Ancelotti.

It's another long-term project, with barriers and risks we are all well acquainted with.

Gary Hughes
78 Posted 14/06/2020 at 18:43:47
Didn't know which link to put this on but Howard's Way is on Sky Documentaries (Channel 114) tonight at 7pm.
Danny Broderick
79 Posted 14/06/2020 at 20:33:15
Thanks Gary!
Bob Parrington
80 Posted 15/06/2020 at 07:48:18
Hey guys, let's build Schneidrlin up to help keep Nice interested... 🧐
Derek Knox
81 Posted 15/06/2020 at 11:11:19
Nice Idea, Bob! 😋

I have never been a fan of Schneiderlin from day one, and have never voiced my opinion otherwise. I believe I can count on one hand the amount of decent performances from him over his tenure. Without using a calculator, that is a very poor return.

Whether we get a fee or not, get him gone, and send all the other deadwood packing too and then we can rebuild a decent team. What an expensive lesson the club has hopefully learnt from.

John Keating
82 Posted 16/06/2020 at 07:40:08
£2 million the latest figure.
I'd bite their hand off. Surprised we'd get anything for him.
David Pearl
83 Posted 17/06/2020 at 02:27:11
I think he was probably our best midfielder this season. No shit, l would rather us take £2m for Delph.

We also have to find roles for both Iwobi and Kean. £50M worth of blawh. Fingers crossed when Brands brings in the next round of 5 players at least 2 of them are fit and capable of playing from the off. I’ve only ever witnessed QPR fuck things up worse.

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