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Dennis Stevens
1 Posted 16/02/2020 at 01:02:30
Ta, Rob. That was a most illuminating piece!
Derek Thomas
2 Posted 16/02/2020 at 02:19:32
Rob, I've seen that 1949 S. L'pool date before and we all know the internet and by extension wiki is never wrong.
But unless there were 2 games (and I suppose it is possible) both under floodlights, both Vs a Nigerian 11 (who played barefoot in Nov) Then the one I saw was in 1954. 13,000 crammed into that little Holly Park ground next to Allerton station.

Can any of our more mature readers or those with access to newspaper archives confirm this?

Other than that Rob, keep em coming.

Chris Williams
3 Posted 16/02/2020 at 09:33:02
Thanks Rob,

We lived in Hans Road, about 5 minutes walk away from the ground, through the jiggers. My bedroom was at the back of the house, so if the lights were on for some reason my bedroom was lit up like daytime. Great for my illicit reading, having gone to bed early because of school tomorrow.

The atmosphere at night matches was always great, and as a kid it was always a thrill. Even watching the Reserves on occasion, maybe Lancashire Senior Cup matches or something.

The Dunfermline match in 62 sticks in my mind as it coincided with the Cuban Missile Crisis. Eeriest atmosphere ever, and probably one of the filthiest matches.

Alan McGuffog
4 Posted 16/02/2020 at 11:00:26
Grandparents lived in Langham Street, by the Bluehouse. Used to go for my tea after the game. The lights took a few hours to diminish and my folks used to say it caused poor tv reception till about 8pm.
The good news was that it bolloxed the Mike and Bernie Winters show
Ian Smitham
5 Posted 16/02/2020 at 20:35:05
Great article, well researched. I can only add that I was at the best game played under those lights, Bayern Munich... seen a few other greats too.

At night in Top Balcony, there is not much better sight.

Dave Abrahams
6 Posted 16/02/2020 at 20:45:12
Chris (3), with reference to your posts on another thread, I think John Moores helped to finance both Everton and Liverpool with loans for the installation of their floodlights. I attended both the matches for the Floodlit Cup, Everton appeared in both games wearing blue silk or satin shirts, we won the cup 4-3 on aggregate and presume we kept it forever as it was never played for again.
Peter Mills
7 Posted 16/02/2020 at 21:49:24
Always loved the players having four shadows.
Alan J Thompson
8 Posted 17/02/2020 at 06:34:20
Anyone remember the bloke who climbed the towers after a game threatening to throw himself off such was Everton's poor performance (maybe we lost 1-0, to Leeds?) and one of the ground staff had to climb up and talk him down. I'm trying to remember if he was the bloke with alternate blue & white enamel teeth so he could smile in the club's colours.
Chris Williams
9 Posted 17/02/2020 at 09:59:26
Cheers Dave,

I think you’re right about John Moores.

I don’t recall the Floodlit Cup for some reason. I was a regular at Goodison by that time, either with my Dad or my mates. Maybe past my bedtime!

Phil Parker
10 Posted 17/02/2020 at 11:59:02
It was Tommy Clarke, Alan, a local Everton legend. We lost 2-0 at home to Leeds and he climbed up the pylon after the game, threatening to throw himself off. The lads at the ground knew him and kept asking him to come down so they could go home. Which he did. I think it was 76-77 season for Rob's timeline on the last pylon. It was left up as a marker for the stadium.
Teddy Draper
11 Posted 18/02/2020 at 17:25:33
I’m 83 now guys so bear with me, as a very young Blue I can ( in the mist of time ) remember going to Holly Park in Garson to an ex Everton v ex Liverpool match and distinctly remember it being played under floodlights. I might be wrong but seemed to recall ( unless it’s wishful thinking ) Dixie Dean coming on for a very short cameo. Don’t be silly guys, of course he scored, or at least my old brain tells me he did, a header, naturally. Please someone tell me I’m correct. God bless you all.
Dave Abrahams
13 Posted 18/02/2020 at 18:19:24
Teddy (11), if you google ‘ did Dixie Dean play at Holly Park” you will get a recollection by a reader confirming your story, although it states that he only played a cameo role, he scored a goal, as you stated, but it also says the opposition allowed him to score, maybe as a mark of respect. Teddy you and your memory go to the top of the class.

The next test is “ what did you have for your tea tonight’?

Mark Andersson
14 Posted 19/02/2020 at 18:25:43
Thanks for an interesting read...

My first experience at Goodison was under the floodlights... a European affair in 1971.

Alan J Thompson
15 Posted 20/02/2020 at 04:33:47
There was a game at Holly Park in the '60s when Dixie kicked off but that was all he did in his next best suit. There was a full house but I can't remember who played and what it was in aid of.
John McFarlane Snr
16 Posted 20/02/2020 at 19:27:55
Hi Dave [6] I wanted to answer in response to your post, but I had problems relating to my registering to the ToffeeWeb site, thankfully after four days Lyndon sorted it out for me.

I was serving in Cyprus when the floodlights were installed, and my first floodlight experience was in December 1958, when I came home on leave. I was demobbed in July 1959, and I was sure that I attended a Floodlit Cup game, and on researching it appears that the fixture was last played in 1961, a 2-2 draw. It appears that Liverpool's promotion in 1962 did away with the need to continue the fixture, it was, after all, a money-spinning exercise.

I found the article extremely interesting, but the highlights for me were the photographs of the ground in all its splendour, the view of the Goodison Road stand is breathtaking, younger fans may appreciate why we 'Old' uns take issue with those who call Goodison a dump.

Dave Abrahams
17 Posted 20/02/2020 at 20:53:22
John (16), as far as I know John those two games, for the Floodlit Cup, were played to celebrate the first ever games played under floodlights at Goodison Park and Anfield. I personally don’t remember any further games for The Floodlit Cup but there were some games for The Liverpool Senior Cup, including one match when Ian St, John made his debut for Liverpool and scored a hat trick, although Everton scored four in reply, with left winger Jimmy Fell getting two of them, possibly Bobby Collins scoring another. They used to get huge crowds for these games. Maybe some of the older fans can recall the game you refer to.
John McFarlane Snr
18 Posted 20/02/2020 at 21:54:23
Hi Dave [16] according to my records the Floodlit Cup was contested 8 times:

09/10/57 2-0 Eddie Thomas [2]
30/10/57 2-3 Jimmy Harris, Dave Hickson'
01/10/58 1-2 Dave Hickson
29/10/58 2-3 Jimmy Harris, Eddie Thomas
30/09/59 0-3
28/10/59 2-0 Brian Harris, Jimmy Harris
05/10/61 1-3 Jimmy Gabriel
13/10 61 2-2 Bobby Collins, Roy Vernon

I don't know what happened to 1960, I'll have to do a bit more research.

Michael Kenrick
19 Posted 20/02/2020 at 22:31:59
John,

From my records, it looks like the Floodlit Cup lasted for 5 years and was a two-legged affair for the first 3 years. But in 1960 (at Anfield Road) and 1961 (at Goodison Park), it was settled in just one game.

Some of your dates don't agree with the ones I have:

09/10/57 @ Goodison Park
30/10/57 @ Anfield Road
01/10/58 @ Anfield Road
29/10/58 @ Goodison Park
30/09/59 07/10/59 @ Goodison Park
28/10/59 @ Anfield Road
05/10/61 05/10/60 @ Anfield Road
13/10 61 18/10/61 @ Goodison Park

Alan J Thompson
20 Posted 21/02/2020 at 09:55:31
Dave (#17); I was at that Senior Cup Final when St John debuted for the other lot and scored a hat trick while Micky Lill scored the winner for us.

If memory serves, I think the attendance that night at Goodison Park was 42,000 but stand to be corrected.

Chris Williams
21 Posted 21/02/2020 at 12:00:06
Yes Alan I was at that game too. It was one of the only ways you could see a local derby then. And we even won them!

I remember the result but not Everton’s scorers. I do remember St.Johns hat trick. I told my Red mate he wasn’t fit to lace Alex’s boots.

And he wasn’t, narky little get.

John McFarlane Snr
22 Posted 21/02/2020 at 13:53:34
Hi Michael [19] I checked my records and found that I typed 15/10/61 when it was indeed 15/10/60, regarding the dates that do not correspond I'm prepared to accept that it's quite possible that the records I sourced could be incorrect. The overall comparisons prove that there were 8 fixtures from 1957/58 to 1961/62, if you read my response to Dave [6] you will note that I was serving with the Army in Cyprus when the first 4 games were played, and on being demobbed in the summer of 1959 I would have seen the latter 4, but like Dave I have no recollection of them.

I owe you an apology Michael, because somehow or other I failed to see that my article 'Treasured Memories of a Bygone Age part 7' had been published. That together with a post that was deleted, compounded by my numerous logging on failures, led me to believe [wrongly] that the one or two issues that we had shared, had resulted in me being denied access to the ToffeeWeb site. Lyndon, however sorted the problem for me, so once again apologies.

John McFarlane Snr
23 Posted 21/02/2020 at 14:07:22
Hi Michael again [19], correction 05/10/60. Best wishes John.
John Raftery
24 Posted 22/02/2020 at 12:29:10
There were many who voiced doubts in the early fifties that floodlit football would ever catch on. In an Everton match programme from that era, Don M Kendall of the Evening Express wrote:

"It is impracticable so far as these islands are concerned. Floodlighting is all right for countries not having the British climate, and while many workers would welcome evening matches (particularly those who have to work on Saturday afternoons) there remains a doubt as to whether they would brave the winds, rain and cold to see an evening match at a ground where protection is limited."

He went on to argue that, rather than investing in expensive floodlights, clubs would serve their supporters much better by devoting the money to the provision of more covered accommodation and seats. Kendall acknowledged that "Everton, with the best club ground in Britain, could stage floodlit matches better than any other" but asked "would a match at Goodison on a cold evening be preferable to the usual Saturday afternoon gathering?"

John Jones
25 Posted 24/02/2020 at 10:46:47
Just a quick mention on the subject of the first floodlit game at Goodison.

Does anyone else remember the Everton kit – shiny silk, glittered under the lights – absolutely awful!!!

Dave Abrahams
26 Posted 24/02/2020 at 17:03:56
John (25), yes, I mentioned those shirts (6), they seemed to be very heavy, either silk or satin, they used them again in the return game at Anfield. Not sure if they were ever used again, I imagine the players must've sweated and lost a few pounds both times they used them.

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