Everton Chief Executive, Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale
Liverpool, the two Manchester clubs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Tottenham were all named among 12 clubs European clubs who intend to found a new competition with very limited access designed to run in tandem with their domestic leagues but at the expense of Uefa's Champions and Europa Leagues.
The announcement, made close to midnight last night, has sent shockwaves through the football world and been met with a tsunami of horror and opposition, particularly in England.
Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher continued to articulate their anger during Sky Sports' coverage of Leeds United's 1-1 draw with Liverpool and both Patrick Bamford and James Milner expressed their disappointment with the proposal after the match.
The 14 Premier League clubs not included in the plans, and who now face the prospect of being practically walled off from the new money league and left with degraded domestic competitions, had remained tight-lipped until this evening, however.
That changed with the Crystal Palace chairman, Steve Parish's interview on Sky during which he expressed incredulity at the cynical nature of The Super League and it's utter disregard for history and sporting merit.
And Fulham owner Shahid Kahn was quoted by his club's official Twitter account as saying: "I join with the entirety of Fulham Football Club, and 13 fellow Premier League clubs, in denouncing the proposed European Super League."
Representatives from all 14 clubs and Premier League Chairman Richard Masters will meet tomorrow, presumably virtually, to discuss their first move and could to agree to demand that the six rebel clubs leave the Premier League at the end of the current season. They would lack one vote to force through anything meaningful, however.
There have been calls for the Premier League and Uefa to kick the cartel, nicknamed the Dirty Dozen, from their respective competitions but the founders of The Super League insist they have the law on their side that would prevent expulsion of its new member clubs.
Meanwhile, FIFPro, the organisation governing players' rights, say they will resist any moves to ban players from representing their countries in major international tournaments should Uefa and Fifa follow through on threats do so.
Everton CEO, Denise Barrett-Baxendale, was vocal in her opposition to Project Big Picture, the initiative launched last year by the same "Judas 6" to consolidate voting power and revenue distribution amongst them, and is expected to take just as tough a line this time around.
As Patrick Boyland writes for The Athletic, Everton "were among the founding fathers of the Premier League and take their position as one of the English game's unofficial guardians seriously. Their main opposition will come behind closed doors in future meetings."
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1 Posted 19/04/2021 at 23:49:01
Simply agree to never ever buy a player or coach or staff from any of the “big 6”. Agree and sign a contract that if anybody does then fine of £10 billion to each club.
They can still sell (that would infringe players rights otherwise) but never buy without the fine (meaning wont happen).
That will be fantastic for the game. They should state this in play after summer transfer window. This will result in
1. Exodus of first team players, coaches from “big 6”
2. Longer term whos going to sign for a club for circa 4/5 years knowing if dont make it or doesnt go well that could be end of your career.
3. Pool of players to pick from small for super league meaning diluting product.
4. Super league clubs will become top heavy or simply wont buy and all players meaning same old (as well as same old playing the other 5 a third a season).
5. Players in domestic league will be cheaper as more wealthier clubs wont generally buy them as players wont want to move there owing to risk (unless at end of their careers).
6. As such domestic leagues will thrive and be successful as more teams able to afford top players making leagues really competitive.
As I say a fantastic opportunity
2 Posted 19/04/2021 at 23:51:34
It's the lesser of two evils for me, but the greedy 6 have to be kicked out! The premier league and champions league will be devalued and won't have the same level of TV money. However, we will actually have a better chance of wining trophies and playing in the CL so with that extra income we might break even??
3 Posted 19/04/2021 at 23:53:08
How can the above possibly work, if those six teams are not playing for a European place, it is going to make a mockery of the top 4 Champs league spots, and the Europa league spot.
If as they say, there could be a case for some legal technology to keep them in the premier league, then what is to stop the other 14 teams walking away, and forming a new league, be a very short season for those six teams, in their league.
If they are allowed to compete in the Premier league next season, should this breakaway league go ahead, then the remaining 14 teams need to make a stand and say, either kick them out, or we walk away, or refuse to play them.
They must not get away with being in a breakaway league, and also the premier league.
4 Posted 19/04/2021 at 23:59:25
Most will be able to compete in the transfer market, and in time, will be a much better league.
5 Posted 19/04/2021 at 00:18:12
It makes me laugh how Palace and Fulhams 'small billionaires' are miffed at not being able to play with the bigger kids.
So I don't worry what DBB, says in public, in fact I commend it.
I do worry what Moshiri and ultimately Usmanov, think about it all in private.
Some form of this shite Will be...eventually, adopted.
This is just another version of Kerry Packers Rebel Cricket Tour 45yrs on.
The powers that be will run through the whole gamut of emotion from A to B; rejection, condemn, prohibition, exile, ban, sanctions, etc, etc.
And 45yrs on were all watching T fucking 20 with coloured flashing bails, a pink ball and pop music between overs.
Ah, give over Degsy, in 45 yrs well all be dead and who cares.
Well I care and things move a lot quicker now a days.
Let's wait and see where we are in 45 months.
"Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin' "
Some compromise version(s) of this shite will get adopted.
It's the way of the world...and I don't like it one little bit.
Then down the track some more demands will be made.
6 Posted 20/04/2021 at 00:22:12
The response of those clubs and bodies therefore matters, with immediate, punitive effect to the twelve.
For once, grow a pair of balls "football", in favour of the "beautiful game" immediately being supported for the benefit of the fans in the immediate future and beyond.
What's being proposed by the Judas Dozen is the deliberate introduction of Japanese Knotweed to a previously fertile garden.
They are bastards.
7 Posted 20/04/2021 at 00:28:36
8 Posted 20/04/2021 at 00:31:36
FIFA has the power to ban all SL players from the World Cup. It's the FIFA World Cup and they own it.
The Forgotten 14 should call on FIFA to do just that. And FIFPRO would just have to eat it.
The ban would gut the SL of substantial talent as top players unwilling to abandon their World Cup dreams would abandon the SL instead. The parade of transfer demands would look like Paris on Bastille Day.
Come on, 14... make it rain on these bastards tomorrow.
9 Posted 20/04/2021 at 00:36:06
Let see what the super league clubs can do legally then? Imagine being a fan of the super league. No fa cup, European cup, no international competitions.
Tomorrow will tell all who rules football in England? My money is on the top 6 staying in the league and super league going ahead.
Please let me be wrong!!!!
10 Posted 20/04/2021 at 01:14:23
11 Posted 20/04/2021 at 01:20:54
On the other side of the coin, we will miss out on having 2 derbies a season & our usual ruck with the mancs,I'm not particularly arsed about the other 4 as we've shown in the past that we can compete with them, to an extent.
I would genuinely welcome the opportunity to go along with the remaining 13 other clubs in the prem, & include 4 teams from the championship to be promoted each season, an 18 team league, this would also have an effect in improving the chances of lower league teams to progress & be promoted to the upper echelons of the leagues, this sustains healthy competition within our countries leagues, top to bottom.
Well, I can dream.
12 Posted 20/04/2021 at 01:23:24
13 Posted 20/04/2021 at 02:39:03
14 Posted 20/04/2021 at 02:58:59
What they currently have is large fan bases as opposed to strong teams anyway. Its been many years since either were serious European competition. Bringing them in would benefit those two clubs immensely. If they wanted in, they would need to join the league in the appropriate way and earn their way up.
And that is the underlying issue with this new competition. To get in you need to be a financially big club rather than qualifying on current merit.
Kick them out of the league after this season (silly to do it now) but dont allow the teams to qualify for the European competitions. Kick them out of next seasons league and promote 6 teams to replace them. Do the same down the leagues.
As for broadcasting, get ahead of the game and get streaming services up and running globally to increase coverage internationally.
Government grants to help keep ticket prices low to ensure match day turnout. Create an excellent product whilst these guys are trying to get their Spectacle up and running.
15 Posted 20/04/2021 at 03:29:27
16 Posted 20/04/2021 at 03:42:25
17 Posted 20/04/2021 at 05:10:32
If the remaining 14 PL clubs formed their owned league it would have zero TV appeal abroad. The Judas 6 could bring in 14 muppets and keep the majority of the PL finances trucking along just fine, and they would more than recoup this by the Super League which would be the main game in town. They would play their reserves in the PL (and still comfortably beat everyone else - even us if we stayed in the PL - because of the financial inbalance).
I do think strong actoin needs to be taken. Honestly I would vote for automatic point decuctions for all 6. Not sure if that is possible under current rules. If not then expel the ring leaders - which seem to be the two NW red teams. This would allow the PL to more or less carry on financially as before.
Worst case - if we can't kick them out of the PL then, with FA approval, form our own league without the judas 6. Start with new TV contracts. Reach some accomodation with the players on salary cuts etc and hope that we can re-build the English League brand. Its awful but nothing could be more awful than "competing" in a league where we can only hope to finish 7th and lose to Big Six reserve teams every week it's already almost like that but this will be far far worse.
18 Posted 20/04/2021 at 05:54:49
I thought you were going full "Going underground" by The Jam for a minute there.
I agree mind
19 Posted 20/04/2021 at 06:11:35
Because whatever compromise can be wrought from this situation, they will continue to have a gun to our heads and their demands will resurface. Them adopting Uefa's Champions League reforms is really just a watered-down version of the Super League. Any knockout Euro competition that guarantees teams entry regardless of where they finish in their domestic league makes a mockery of the sporting integrity and spirit of competition. So if the alternative is ripping the whole thing up and resetting without them, football would probably be better off for it.
Again, it might entail some casualties along the way and the re-drafting of player contracts up and down what's left of the PL so that salaries are more in line with the new (much lower) revenue structures but of it meant the top flight and the pyramid below largely survived it would be worth it.
20 Posted 20/04/2021 at 06:32:27
Sky will not come out of this well if they throw their financial weight behind the Super league project and sponsor prize money and tv rights in the new league or cup competitions.
Those UK premier league teams left out, or not joining, will the have to consider if sky is a fit and proper company with its feet in both camps.
Then the fans can talk with their feet or wallet to thwart skys new business. Its all early days in development, but money will be the driving force of this project for the greedy owners and tv companies.
21 Posted 20/04/2021 at 07:11:13
Can the remaining 14 even punish the other 6 legally? I'd guess not. Their lawyers will have gone over everything with a fine tooth comb before this announcement.
I'm hoping Man City blink. They out of anyone will be most nervous, the Emirates have a desire to be loved, unlike the Americans who are all about the profits and protecting their investment.
22 Posted 20/04/2021 at 07:17:20
23 Posted 20/04/2021 at 07:35:14
So the best option if they want to leave is make it easy for them and expel them NOW in order for the game to begin the long recovery process. Lets just get moving.
24 Posted 20/04/2021 at 07:43:27
25 Posted 20/04/2021 at 07:48:33
Who are they going to get now? Rangers? Celtic? You might as well get Blackburn and Middlesbrough. Or will they get Beckhams team involved and go global?
Either way, the principle of playing the best teams regularly quickly becomes a diluted promise when theres only 12 so called top teams playing in the league.
26 Posted 20/04/2021 at 07:52:01
Milner was interviewed and said he doesnt want it.
A big chance for the players to redeem themselves here.
Lot if fans have them down as mercenaries, some of them are, how good would it be if they joined forces and said "we wont play in this competition"
Contractually I hope it states they signed to play in the Prem and the cups in existence.
What would the owners reaction be if they did that?
They cant just give them away if they refuse to play
27 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:08:51
28 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:11:08
29 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:12:21
Today is the day to do the right thing.
30 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:17:06
On today, I'll be pleasantly surprised if we see more than a strongly worded joint statement of condemnation today.
This is just the start of the negotiation process, with lots of poker yet to be played. The new Chairman (Real Madrid President) is already talking like it's a thing and how it can "save football".
I'm happy to be pleasantly surprised but don't think I will be.
31 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:20:08
The club chosen should be one with an extremely bad history. Perhaps one whose supporters had rioted and killed people, and whose supporters continue to attack visiting teams.
The club should be expelled from all competitions, the contracts of its players declared null and void, and it owners banned from any participation in the game. And where its name appears for winning any competition in the past, a blank should be substituted.
32 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:20:51
Mike Gaynes #12.
Its probably easier for yourself sitting on the outside looking in but we are very much sitting bang in the fucking middle of the inside. When/if the ESL happens Everton are fucked and believe me the big 6 want it. Big time.
The premier league has to come up with a model that viewers will want to watch, so Rangers and Celtic, plus say a team from Edinburgh and a more northern Scottish team, say Aberdeen would be a good start. It's no good saying "that will bugger up the scottish football" because whats about to happen here will totally fuck up English football, playing league games becomes totally pointless. The ESL fuckers will very soon go about snapping up all the good players at Villa, West Ham and yes, Everton. Probably why I'm hearing rumours of DCL going to United.
The premier league must come up with a good alternative and pronto.
33 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:26:55
Also, I don't see UEFA allowing that. They tried to kick up a stink in the 90s on Swansea, Cardiff etc. when the Welsh league was formed.
34 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:29:08
35 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:29:44
Absolutely spot on.
36 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:34:01
We shouldn't give any ground here, this will ruin the Premier league. There will be so many dead rubbers from March onwards with no top 4 and europa league positions to play for. TV money for the other 14 will be dramatically reduced meaning they can't sign good players or compete on wages if the ESL clubs come calling for their academy players. They are essentially turning the rest of the Premier league into feeder clubs.
We can kiss goodbye to our stadium if this comes off. There will be no chance of Mosh or Usmanov recouping their investment.
37 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:40:41
38 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:44:39
What is the scenario if a player of his standing refuses to play?
39 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:48:01
40 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:48:41
41 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:52:02
Do you not see that your call for the Scots to join the league is doing more or less the same thing as the big 6 are doing ?
We need leadership from the remaining 14. The pyramid can be used to fill any positions if the big 6 get expelled.
I expect the 14 to cave in and let the 6 and sky claim a compromise has been reached but in reality will grant more power and money to the 6.
Part of me wants the whole revolution.
New super League to run in parallel with the Prem. Euro super uefa, alongside old uefa and new super world FIFA alongside old fifa.
Uefa and FIFA are not squeaky clean before or after this. It's been a closed self serving shop for Blatter and the cronies for years.
The beautiful game is in a right mess and needs sorting out. Do any of the 14 have the leadership to sort out game out?
42 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:55:11
There is obviously a mechanism for it given Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham & Newport do it now. Similarly, Berwick play in the Scottish league despite being technically English.
Also, wasn't there recent talk of a "Celtic" League being formed encompassing Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland (possibly even the Republic)?? I see Holland and Belgium are also going down that route with their top flight clubs supporting a proposal for a joint 18 team league.
I think if you're going down that path, it has to be a total revamp of British footballing competition and then you are likely considering scrapping individual nation FAs to establish a UK-wide organisation. And then, we have the emotive subject as to why not just compete internationally as the UK?
Anyway, I don't believe that is the way forward and with all due respect, not really convinced of the value added to any new league if it gets to that stage. Lets watch the politics play out and see them come to a compromise that favours the 12 but makes it look like the national leagues have clawed something back.
43 Posted 20/04/2021 at 08:58:38
44 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:04:19
45 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:06:25
The head of the Danish FA made a statement yesterday that he expects Man City, Chelsea and Real Madrid to be expelled from the Champions League on Friday and I guess that means Man Utd and Arsenal from the Europa League too.
If UEFA do follow through on that then maybe the domestic associations will get a bit braver.
46 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:25:57
47 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:29:00
Mike Gwyer #32 - Mike Gaynes is as much on the inside as any other poster / Everton fan.
48 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:30:26
The horse has bolted.
This has been coming for years and Philip Carter's lack of ambition followed by Bill Kenwright's manipulation of the Everton's reputation to make his disastrous tenure appear glorious has reduced us to nowhere men on the outside.
Tottenham with their 2 league titles?
Man City and Chelsea, scraping around in the lower divisions until becoming rich with dubious money?
I think not.
Football has finally ate itself, it deserves to die and also kill off the numerous parasites in the media, bias personified, from the landscape.
Foreign owners, foreign managers, foreign coaches, foreign players, foreign fans in the ground.
This circus, as far from the roots of the game as you could possibly get, has finally killed itself.
49 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:32:14
As for - cant kick them out - we can always not play them! Collective decision by the 14 not to turn up for matches against the 6 and forfeit the game. Make a mockery of the Premier table as the ESL have 84 points from those games and just play 10 games a season plus their ESL games. Papers and BBC then just show the table from 7th downwards.
Certainly will show the strength of feeling.
Think all ESL games need to be played in Coventry as that is where we are sending them.
And Peter #1 - exactly what I have been saying for the last few years whenever ESL is mentioned. And nothing about banning players from World Cup. We just don't select them. Going to play in France stops you being picked for England Rugby so there is a precedent.
50 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:33:08
51 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:33:43
52 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:33:48
As I said yesterday the reason that both Bayern and Dortmund refused to join is because in Germany you have to be a German national to own 50% of their football clubs. So maybe they are also concerned about them leaving would impact on their fellow German clubs. Where here most Premier league clubs are owned by non British nationalists, so they are only interested in protecting their asset and have no concern of what will happen to the English clubs not invited.
I think all these clubs would have been prepared from the backlash from fans but seems like they are prepared to put up with as they see it short term pain for long term gain.
I wonder if they change their mind will it just be forgotten or will the fact they signed a deal have some ramifications. Maybe the Premier league may consider imposing what rugby did to Saracens for breaking a salary cap and imposed a 35 point deduction. This resulted in a team full of england internationals being relegated from the top division, so maybe a similar points deduction would see possibly both Arsenal and Spurs relegated. I think that would be a deterrent for this happening again.
53 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:34:26
Their season could consist of games against each other and just being given 6 points by all the other teams, increased to 20 (league of 26). The league table at the end of the season would show the top 6 having played 10 games but with 100 points with a line underneath and then the rest showing teams having played 38 games with the usual points total. A league within a league. We almost have that now anyway. Otherwise what will be the point of just playing their reserve teams every week while they save their top players for the ESL.
CL and Europa places can be awarded as usual from the top of the 'real' EPL downwards.
Crazy I know but it's a mad situation. It will all be decided by lawyers anyway!
54 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:34:41
Hard hitting and in my eyes taking the lead and encouraging the others to follow!
Brilliant from the club!
55 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:34:55
56 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:37:10
I feel it is only right that, as CEO of your football club, I write to you directly following the plans made public over the weekend for a European Super League.
As a proud custodian of Everton, I, along with my fellow board members, understand the responsibility that has been entrusted upon us to maintain the traditions of your Club and of the wider game.
Everton Football Club was a founder member of the Football League and a founder member of the Premier League.
Throughout our history the Club has always strived to move both Everton and the game forward. But we have always done so within the parameters of the pyramid structure which maintains the principles of open competition and sporting merit.
Sadly, the plans that have been made public by 12 clubs from across Europe - and six in our own Premier League - do not maintain those principles.
At this time of national crisis - in the face of a global pandemic and in a defining period for football - clubs should be working together collaboratively with the thoughts of our game and its supporters uppermost in our minds.
Disenfranchising supporters across the game and undermining the very structure of the pyramid that underpins the game we love is, quite simply, wrong.
The response from voices across the game and beyond over the last 48 hours is understandable – and those voices should be listened to.
Rest assured, I, along with my fellow board members, will do everything possible to ensure our position on these proposals is made in the strongest possible terms - and the voice of Evertonians is heard, loud and clear.
It remains our hope that by working collaboratively, football will find the right answer for its future.
57 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:37:34
Six clubs acting entirely in their own interests.
Six clubs tarnishing the reputation of our league and the game.
Six clubs choosing to disrespect every other club with whom they sit around the Premier League table.
Six clubs taking for granted and even betraying the majority of football supporters across our country and beyond.
At this time of national and international crisis - and a defining period for our game - clubs should be working together collaboratively with the ideals of our game and its supporters uppermost.
Instead, these clubs have been secretly conspiring to break away from a football pyramid that has served them so well.
And in that Pyramid Everton salutes EVERY club, be it Leicester City, Accrington Stanley, Gillingham, Lincoln City, Morecambe, Southend United, Notts County and the rest who have, with their very being, enriched the lives of their supporters throughout the game's history. And vice versa.
The self-proclaimed Super Six appear intent on disenfranchising supporters across the game - including their own - by putting the very structure that underpins the game we love under threat.
The backlash is understandable and deserved – and has to be listened to.
This preposterous arrogance is not wanted anywhere in football outside of the clubs that have drafted this plan.
On behalf of everyone associated with Everton, we respectfully ask that the proposals are immediately withdrawn and that the private meetings and subversive practises that have brought our beautiful game to possibly its lowest ever position in terms of trust end now.
Finally we would ask the owners, chairmen, and Board members of the six clubs to remember the privileged position they hold – not only as custodians of their clubs but also custodians of the game. The responsibility they carry should be taken seriously.
We urge them all to consider what they wish their legacy to be.
Everton FC Board of Directors
58 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:39:50
59 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:41:11
60 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:41:23
61 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:43:00
62 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:46:37
63 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:48:21
64 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:50:38
65 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:51:49
Its clear that the Spanish and Italian clubs are in dire financial straits and that the American owners and the concomitant financial structures at Man U, Liverpool, Spurs and perhaps Arsenal
that have driven this. (Thats not intended to be Anti- American Mike Gaynes!)
As for the RS what can you expect a club that was born out of one mans greed back in 1892 and a club that could now implode under the owners greed. I actually feel a little (a tiny bit) sorry for their fans today.
66 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:51:54
67 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:56:35
68 Posted 20/04/2021 at 09:57:13
If possible that has made me even more proud to be an Evertonian
69 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:02:01
I am very proud of our club.
70 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:02:14
While the action of the 6 is abhorrent I do think that agents and players have contributed to why clubs need to look at added revenue streams. Year on year money paid to agents and players has gone through the roof, and yet the PFA have rejected any type of salary cap. When our own club are paying our players 85% of all our income its unsustainable, and we are also very close to our FFP limits. While I applaud the statement the club put out this morning, I would imagine if this league gets up and running then Everton will be doing all they can to get involved, lets not forget we were one of the prime movers in setting up the present Premier league, so we have form in this.
71 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:02:50
"It will not happen, the law protects us," Perez added.
"We will not get into legal issues. It is impossible. The players should remain calm because the threats won't happen".
Seems confident so clearly done their homework. They will have anticipated a reaction, will let the storm blow and then start talking to achieve a compromise. Aggressive tactics to force change in a way they want it done.
72 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:03:20
73 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:04:21
Well done and thank you.
74 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:04:34
75 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:05:47
Football has become a place where people are using it as a laundry.
In terms of punishments, you mention Saracens, unfortunately all the other clubs were against them and they were out on their own. The reason why it is 6 English clubs is because if it was any less then they could be punished. You need a majority of 15 to pass anything apparently. Don't be surprised if this has left the 14 completely powerless to stop it. We really need City to back down here, I can't see any of the other 5 doing so with the owners they have.
What I am most surprised about though is Barca and Real in particular because aren't they 100% owned by the fans? Surely they should have had to vote on this?
76 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:07:02
I dont know exactly what the legal options are ( I know the six traitors are breaking rule L.9) but if they have an army of lawyers behind them Im sure the other 200+ members of the ECA have enough, collective, financial clout to bury them under a myriad of lawsuits from now until the end of time.
Sorry, but I dont get the defeatism of some on here and other forums. The same old argument from the appeasers ie theyll eventually win, the authorities will collapse, our new stadium is doomed, theyll go it alone whatever we say etc... fucking hell, Neville Chamberlain would be proud. Its a simple fact, we are the majority they arent. We are right they arent. We are legion they are a few money grabbing twats. If we stick together, we win!
77 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:09:29
78 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:09:31
79 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:10:39
80 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:13:49
81 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:14:38
What I think should happen and what I can probably see happening are two different things, that's all. On the latter, I hope I am proven wrong and next week the are no ECL semi finals as only PSG will remain. Also, Everton holding 4th place as it stands in the league.
Let's see though. A lot of politics and holding your nerve to play out over the next few weeks.
82 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:14:51
83 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:15:30
84 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:17:24
Now lets follow these excellent words with action befitting the crime committed by the so called super six - my arse!
85 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:20:14
86 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:25:04
87 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:25:20
Yesterday, that worry, concern, angst had turned to anger and rage. Screw the lot of them. I dont know what can be done exactly but I know if we stick together- the 14, reds and Blues, Uefa, ECA, fans all over Europe and the world this can be defeated. We must stay strong and united.
Infantino is to speak later on for FIFA. Now this is a guy who I dont trust but his words, and actions, could be decisive. This is only the beginning.
88 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:26:14
89 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:28:51
Should it go belly up because of the greed of our cousins it ought to rest heavy with them.
It won't of course.
90 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:29:02
Moshiri saying the clubs belong to their communities. Wants points deduction from the 6 clubs for attacking the heart of the Premier League and not discussing it before.
We have pretty much called them backstabbers without saying it in those words.
91 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:30:16
Sean #86 I got the email, too, but it was addressed to William. That had me a bit worried as I was only ever called William when I was in for it!
92 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:33:29
93 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:34:11
94 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:37:31
Champions league here we come!!
95 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:38:50
I missed the Moshiri interview. What exactly did he say?
96 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:39:10
97 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:41:26
98 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:43:45
99 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:43:52
Rob, that really does provide perspective on this. What has happened since Hillborough has been a city pulling together, two football clubs from the same city, and all their supporters, united in something bigger than "just football". I know "business is business", but to the extent that Everton can actually be weakened by this development, then it potentially weakens the city. I'm appalled that that other club would be aware of and connive in that.
And Alan #89 adds further perspective to that - if BMD goes tits up because of this, that hurts the city not just Everton.
100 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:52:08
By the way, why are the 14 one vote short? I thought it was a 2/3 majority needed?
101 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:54:18
102 Posted 20/04/2021 at 10:58:01
103 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:00:07
104 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:02:08
I expected nothing less from my club. We again took the moral lead when DB-B spoke fiercely and passionately back in October when the same Shameless Six had yet another secretive and self-serving 'Reset' proposal exposed. The statement further reinforces a point I made on Paul the Esk's thread yesterday. Everton FC is exceedingly well positioned as an institution as diametrically opposed to the greed and avarice of the ESL Dirty Dozen. Whilst members of the self-appointed 'elite' at the start of the pandemic couldn't lay off their low paid staff quick enough, Everton immediately came out to reassure ALL their staff that they would be retained on full salary. The much maligned EiTC (by some) has been exemplary in their work in their hard hit community. Indeed, an avowed Red councilor was full of praise for the club on this very point when the LCC met to unanimously approve the clubs BMD and Goodison Legacy projects. For genuine football fans and sponsors for who ethics and social consciousness matter, Everton is extremely appealing.
I expected nothing less from my club. We again took the moral lead when DB-B spoke fiercely and passionately back in October when the same Shameless Six had yet another secretive and self-serving 'Reset' proposal exposed.
The statement further reinforces a point I made on Paul the Esk's thread yesterday. Everton FC is exceedingly well positioned as an institution as diametrically opposed to the greed and avarice of the ESL Dirty Dozen.
Whilst members of the self-appointed 'elite' at the start of the pandemic couldn't lay off their low paid staff quick enough, Everton immediately came out to reassure ALL their staff that they would be retained on full salary.
The much maligned EiTC (by some) has been exemplary in their work in their hard hit community. Indeed, an avowed Red councilor was full of praise for the club on this very point when the LCC met to unanimously approve the clubs BMD and Goodison Legacy projects.
For genuine football fans and sponsors for who ethics and social consciousness matter, Everton is extremely appealing.
105 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:04:03
Hopefully because of the stand taken, all over the place, against those clubs involved they will back down pretty quickly and face the consequences.
106 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:08:00
107 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:20:04
108 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:23:17
We all know that deep down our clubs are businesses, but we cling onto the hope that they still possess a soul.
Liverpool fans found that out over the last few days. They're facing their team being whored out. They may even get franchised out somewhere else in the world. They've not just been been told that their club doesn't care about them; they've been treated with absolute disdain.
I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.
I don't speak in emotional terms very often, but if that was Everton, I think it would break my heart.
109 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:34:52
I give our club a lot of stick at times but I'm proud of Everton's appreciation of its history, its fanbase and its community.
Everton's response to the pandemic was first class and this statement puts the moneyed-elite to shame.
Well done Blues.
110 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:37:09
The vast majority of the scum 6 fans are disgusted by what their clubs are doing.
111 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:40:21
112 Posted 20/04/2021 at 11:53:56
113 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:00:40
They will shit themselves and will do anything to get back in.
If they did leave it will make the PL stronger in the long run.
Less corruption and rigged var games.
Their league is nothing more than a 'Kerry Packer' silly league.
114 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:01:33
115 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:04:10
Proud of my club as always and especially today !
116 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:06:34
The 14 clubs have to take action that hurts the 6; refuse to play them, demand their ejection from the league, etc. And UEFA should eject Chelsea, City and Real Madrid from the CL and just award PSG the trophy now.
117 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:09:13
In case the link to Apple News doesnt work for you heres the direct link to Tom Pecks excellent but depressing article in the Independent;
My biggest short term concern is the future of the BMD project.
118 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:29:49
119 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:31:16
120 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:45:07
So what will FSG say? Perhaps "we are listening to our fans, they are the most important factor, it is their club, we are mere custodians. But as custodians we are trying to do our best for the club. And with the ESL, we not just ensuring the club's future, we are ensuring the future of the entire game, at grass roots level and beyond. Our commitment to the Premier League is absolute, and we assure our fans that will never change. We want to engage with you, and we want to engage with the football authorities to make this work for everyone."
Following this kind of bollocks, they'll offer a time limit on the founder members being guaranteed a place, probably using co-efficients which will, err, pretty much guarantee them a place. Then they'll offer parachute payments to all the clubs who qualified over the past few years for the CL. Then they'll offer places to the winners of the CL each year, and maybe the runners up too. So that way, the top four in the PL qualify for the CL, and then have the chance one year later to qualify for the ESL.
And everyone will be happy. And the fans will have been fucked over yet again. The end.
121 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:50:58
122 Posted 20/04/2021 at 12:59:05
123 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:05:27
In an article in the Guardian, it states that, allegedly from a board member of another club, whose club was approached to join this nonsense.
It also says that less than half of the 12 clubs are ‘ fanatics about this league. Im guessing they include Man U, The Shite, Barcelona and Real Madrid, who are all struggling a bit financially, mainly of the combination of COVID and how they are structured with loads of gearing.
124 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:10:53
Tbh, it's an odd league really - 3 from Italy, 3 from Spain, 3 from London, 3 from Lancashire! Some clubs will be destined to be regularly propping up the League tables, & with this format there will be 2 Leagues - so twice the amount of "losers". Many others will be regular mid table finishers. I can't imagine that going from being a big fish in a smaller pond to a non-entity amongst the bigger sharks will help build their global brand(s).
125 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:11:35
It's pretty clear that this whole idea has divebombed as far as potential members goes which is probably why we now have Perez making ridiculous claims about how this is going to save football. He needs to sell something that is floundering before it came properly to life.
126 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:13:00
127 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:18:19
But there are some strongly worded sentences coming out of Downing Street.
"The Prime Minister confirmed the Government will not stand by while a small handful of owners create a closed shop. "He was clear that no action is off the table and the Government is exploring every possibility, including legislative options, to ensure these proposals are stopped."
"He was clear that no action is off the table and the Government is exploring every possibility, including legislative options, to ensure these proposals are stopped."
Yes, words, but they do carry an air of determination.
128 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:18:47
Most of the comments I have seen backing this are from blokes called Jordan who live in the South East and think the FIFA video game and actual football are the same thing.
129 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:19:34
130 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:22:51
To go through with something such as this, knowing they could be cut from the leagues and competitions they love and alienating vast swathes of their traditional support, you have to be 100% committed to living with those consequences. If they're not, there will be wavering and an underlying tone of pushing for a deal rather than a break.
131 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:26:16
Bayern do suggest the way to do this is through re-structuring the Champions League.
I said yesterday, if Bayern aren't in, there is negotiation to be done. And if they are ruling themselves out of a closed shop, then the 12 are cutting their nose off to spite their face.
I mean, no Bayern Munich but we've got Tottenham??
132 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:27:02
No, Everton have always called me that! lol
133 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:29:02
Let's face it, the clubs are not making enough money because they pay the players and coaches too much.
Even if they get their way and pursue this or use it to dictate the terms of the old competions, the wage demands will contiue to rise along with the revenue.
We were as bad as them as a big 5 member setting -up the PL and now we must try to scupper the dictatorship.
Also talk of the Auld Firm joining the PL is an awful idea, ruining Scottish footy in an instant.
One option is a UK PL, but the FA's would face demands to have a UK team.
Money is the evil.
134 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:31:18
135 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:42:51
136 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:43:37
1. It will resemble the structure of US sports such as NFL & NBA. In addition to the closed shop, there will be spending and wage limits.
2. It will generate upwards of $4bn annually through broadcast rights & sponsorship, twice that of the Champions League.
3. The founding clubs will share 32.5% of the commercial revenues.
4. A further 32.5% gets shared amongst all 20 participants.
5. 20% is allocated on merit / performance.
6. Final 15% on broadcast audience size.
I'm no expert in finance, but looks like the 5 who are invited in get thrown a few quid for making the numbers up whilst the pigs eat from the trough. And how will spending caps / wage limits apply to those teams?
137 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:46:51
138 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:47:17
It would require an overhaul of British football, not just as simple as inviting teams into the Premier League. To do so smacks of hypocrisy given the unified sentiment towards this.
139 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:48:52
140 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:50:13
If they did, their silly league will run out of steam and the so called smaller clubs will be in a far stronger position.
Throw them out now and see what happens.
141 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:55:15
Reading up on this breakaway it seems it is headed by clubs who are financially unstable to try to get themselves out of dept.
Football in England has been going on for over 100yrs and I believe once these clubs who wish to form their own league start running into problems, the greedy 6 may find that the grass is not greener on the other side. Any of these 6 wishing to return to England should be informed that they will have to start in the lower divisions if there is a vacancy.
142 Posted 20/04/2021 at 13:58:44
143 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:06:33
144 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:10:37
145 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:11:48
'It's not a sport if success is already guaranteed. It's not a sport if it doesn't matter if you lose.
'I want a competition that is as strong as possible. It's not fair if one team fights, fights, fights to be at the top and they don't qualify. This is what I feel.'
146 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:12:05
>> My sources tell me that Chelsea and City should be out by the end of the day. They were informed only late last week and stupidly jumped on board for fear of being left behind. ESL driven purely in the UK by the US owners of Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal
147 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:12:12
If Richarlison wanted to go to the Madrid Madrigals to earn more cash and to be able to play against Neymar at the Paris Ponces, off you go mate. Because I don't care who is playing for Everton as long as they're better than Iwobi, particularly if the RS, Man U, Citteh etc are all in the same boat. The PL would be just as watchable without a few superstars, and more watchable if it was more of a level playing field. And the glory hunter international fans of Celebrity Clubs would have what they want - stadia filled with tourists watching all the best players in sparkling uniforms and half time entertainment from Beyonce.
I don't know why Boris doesn't just come onto ToffeeWeb if he wants to know how to sort this shit.
148 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:12:16
149 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:12:44
150 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:12:45
Three divisions of 22 and 20 in the PL makes more sense.
151 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:15:34
152 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:17:05
153 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:17:46
154 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:18:30
I've been watching the BBC live feed, so just reading the text. I fully get the position he managers are in; they've got to walk a bit of a tight rope right and especially as it does seem they were kept in the dark?
155 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:18:43
Incredibly how people can be so incredibly rich and so incredibly stupid.
156 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:21:58
157 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:23:42
158 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:25:39
In honesty, I wouldn't be supportive of that however tongue in cheek you and I could be on it. The history and achievements of these clubs need not be taken away because of the decisions of the current owners.
159 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:29:09
160 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:30:24
Carry on with the PL but with a gentlemans agreement that the 14 clubs use their U23 sides to avoid possible legal threats. Nothing official from the clubs but tacit agreements about how to carry on.
If we can't kick them out of the PL then, going through the correct channels create a new top division, affiliated to The FA, UEFA, etc with a pyramid structure that is by invite only - and guess who is not invited.
Create new Cup competitions with strict new adherence rules that disqualify the 6 by default.
Get UEFA to also create new Cup competitions through genuine and real consultation with clubs in europe, not pandering to the so called big 6.
Sanctions and punishments are a minefield with every tom, dick and harry giving their interpretation of the rules, so avoid it and create something new without them and see how they like being on the outside looking in. Yes, it will be financially difficult without the 6 for some years, but surely that is better than being party to a self serving, greedy monopoly that will be just as financially devastating.
161 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:30:34
162 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:31:36
163 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:32:59
164 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:35:36
165 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:35:54
166 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:39:03
On a side note, what sort of a club sacks their manager the week before he leads them out in a cup final at Wembley? The kind of club that places more value on getting CL appearance money than winning silverware. Fuck me, I'd take a League Cup win over a fourth place every time. Jose might be a cock, but if I was a Spurs fan I'd be livid about what that sacking says about their club.
167 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:43:49
168 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:47:19
169 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:47:24
It needs 14 clubs to support it
170 Posted 20/04/2021 at 14:52:45
171 Posted 20/04/2021 at 15:04:39
One question I have is player contracts, if teams are kicked out of the prem will the contracts be void as the player agreed to sign and play in the prem?
172 Posted 20/04/2021 at 15:12:54
1.With both teams moving from Manchester there wiil be a place for an EFL team in Manchester and again based on the NFL model Blackpool can revive their 1950 's years by moving and become Blackpool Uncited.
2. Tranmere can move to Blackburn and stay Tranmere Rovers, but ignite a rivalry with Blackburn Rovers.
3 Wrexham can leave the National League and move to London and become Wrexham Hotspur and rehire Mr M.
4, To give Everton more competion Marine can get in the Prem by becoming Red Shite Athletic. OR
5. The remaining 86 teams will all move to Scotland to join Rangers and Celtic to form one hugely successful Scottish Premier League.
6. The remaining Scottish League will move to Iceland because they need to be even colder.
7.AND all the other European Leagues will move to Saudi because of THE MONEY
8.Finally the Despicable Six will apply to get in the Saudi League because of, what else, THE MONEY.
All problems solved. Apologies to MIKE GAYNES for not including the USA but they could also start up a new league where the "soccer" players could wear football helmets and shoulder pads. I just hope it all works out in the brand new Monty Python World Football Association.
173 Posted 20/04/2021 at 15:21:55
174 Posted 20/04/2021 at 15:29:49
Is it me, or do they seem to be getting the brunt of the abuse, at least in the UK.
Oh and Klopp now the bookies favourite to be the next manager out from one of the 6.
175 Posted 20/04/2021 at 15:46:53
176 Posted 20/04/2021 at 15:51:37
177 Posted 20/04/2021 at 16:01:03
The Spanish and Italians are either heavily in debt or jealous of the money the Premier League make and want a piece so they need a few of them on board.
It might be clever counter tactics from UEFA to pull on the heart strings of a few of the English clubs to pull out. Like any chain, you only have to break a link or two for it to stop. The reaction in England plays to that. We may have become a more liberal and understanding society in recent years, but deep down we're still an aggressive bunch who shouldn't be messed with when it comes to being collectively riled!!
178 Posted 20/04/2021 at 16:29:59
These breakaway ESL clubs are crying they need more and more money the only obvious way to achieve it without breaking away from UEFA and the FA is to have a wage and transfer cap immediately. These clubs are all terrified of player power and thier agents, but a stand must must be taken to bring back some sanity to football, if it is to survive.
Transfer fees, wages and fees to agents are obscene and any money given to these clubs, from bankers J. P. Morgan, will just go straight into the greedy players and agents pockets. Unless this changes football is, and always was destined to spiral out of control and ultimately into oblivion.
The suggestion by Real Madrid that it will benefit smaller clubs is absolutely laughable. The only thing that motivates ESL clubs is greed and it's totally insatiable. The players and agents are mostly to blame for this situation I hope for them the party is finally over.
179 Posted 20/04/2021 at 16:56:58
So, yes, I'm astonished that there was no attempt by anyone at the 12 clubs to gauge the possible reaction to their proposal with the people who are the face of that club.. And, if they are just "major corporations", then it's pretty appalling governance.
180 Posted 20/04/2021 at 17:11:02
181 Posted 20/04/2021 at 17:32:35
We always had a rule of them where I worked, if we were considering major change - if we thought more than 20% of staff would be against the change, then we were very cautious as to whether that change should go ahead (a sort of application of the Pareto principle). I'm surprised these corporations haven't tried to gauge the response. OK, they're fans, not staff - but still a major stakeholder, so the principle arguably still applies?
182 Posted 20/04/2021 at 17:44:23
183 Posted 20/04/2021 at 17:58:18
Also, why not install a play-off system (top 6 so seeds one and two get a bye or top 8) for the end of season Premiere League Cup (can award regular season title if you wish) so that more teams' games are relevant. Order of finish determines seeding.
If the UEFA Champions "tourney" since that is what it is, still exists then award the Moose Cup, FA Cup, EPL regular season title winner and the EPL Cup winner the four spots and if any are the same then revert to the next team in order of finish as currently occurs.
I think the revised EPL would be more competitive with more teams having a go at winning the regular season title and the EPL Cup. Since right now the focus is on who will finish 3rd or 4th and the misery of which team has failed and is relegated, playoffs would at least give clubs' fans something to root for to win.
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